Thread 723553765

Is using run-ahead on a game that natively had input lag considered cheating? Battle Garegga for example had 3-4 frames variable of input lag on the original arcade PCB, but using run-ahead on RetroArch you can get that down to 1 frame. Or is it fine because input lag is objectively a flaw rather than a design decision? And for Garegga specifically it was fixed in the later PS4 rerelease and even the contemporary Saturn port to a lesser extent.

It's OK, but just keep in mind that if you're going to compete with players on an original machine, you probably won't be prepared.
It's basically a matter of what you want. If you just want to play the game as well as possible, then reducing input lag is essential (just note that sometimes, run ahead starts to cut animations, and this is an indication that you are changing the way the game works too much).
If you want to be part of a competitive community, then you'll want your versions to be as accurate as possible. It's like speedrunners who analyze emulators to see if they will behave the same as the original console. They only do this because of the competition.

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>>723554114
Why does she suck so bad in Garegga and Batrider

>>723553765 (OP)
One of the major appeals of shmups is playing the same way everyone else is so everyone is all working together to get better at the same thing. 2 less frames of lag won't make you better at shmups. If you care that much just play the PS4 version.

>>723555131
>One of the major appeals of shmups is playing the same way everyone else is so everyone is all working together to get better at the same thing.
Honestly the shmup community, western one at least (though the Japanese universally accept autofire on older games), seems to be more tolerant of stuff like runahead and QoL hacks than most other competitive gaming communities. Maybe not for WR scoring but like your 1cc still "counts" even if you do something like make a save state at the character select screen to save time, which wouldn't be the case in like speedrunning. Speedrunners WILL make you sit through that fucking 5 minute long opening cutscene in Mario Sunshine every time.
Melee is a little different, they use mods in competition, but even that took a while.

>>723555585
>Honestly the shmup community, western one at least (though the Japanese universally accept autofire on older games), seems to be more tolerant of stuff like runahead and QoL hacks than most other competitive gaming communities. Maybe not for WR scoring but like your 1cc still "counts" even if you do something like make a save state at the character select screen to save time, which wouldn't be the case in like speedrunning.
No one cares what you beat the game in as long as you beat it. But if you're going to grind Garegga, why would you not just use the PS4 version? Its just common sense, what kind of lazy slob is going to dump that much time into garegga but can't be assed to hand over $40 for a port. If you are comparing routing with others, wouldn't it be *easier* to just look up PS4 replays? A lot of these modifications are just shit. I remember downloading shmuparch and it made the first boss of DDP have random teleporting bullet patterns.

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>>723555897
>mentally ill tranime fag needs to avatarfag in every shmup thread

can't you find another thread to be gay there?

>>723555989
This is a general. Why wouldn't it have avatarfagging?

>>723553765 (OP)
i would bet 1k that in a blind test you would have no idea how many frames of input lag your on

1 or 4 is literally impossible to see and people who claim they can feel it are mentally ill

>>723555897
>If you are comparing routing with others, wouldn't it be *easier* to just look up PS4 replays?
the replay function on ps4 garegga is kinda shit
you can only fast-forward 30 secs at a time and there's a few seconds of loading each time

>>723555897
>PS4

why are anime posters so fucking retarded?

>>723556137
No, I mean literally go on youtube and type "Garegga 1cc PS4 (or Rev 2016 or whatever)". But just forcing japs to submit their replays for once is super based and that on its own is a godsend.

If you are too poor to enjoy your hobby maybe fuck off back to Roblox

4k for something what will bring your years and years of entertainment is not much

>>723556509
trolling

>>723556574
not really, my arcade hardware collection is worth around 25k and im not even rich

>>723556754
Sounds like a huge cope on your end then as the new Garegga WRs in japan are on PS4

>>723557109
???
this is still the WR score and its arcade

https://youtu.be/usDbpa90LHA

>>723557641
About half of the character WRs are on PS4. If meaningful optimizations can be made its done of PS4.