Thread 723612085

>master troon on pace to drop below 10K monthly users before eoy

What went wrong?

Surprised it still has players. Dropped that shit years ago when they went past GX. Pass on anything post-GX.

>>723612085 (OP)
Personally I can't play it because it's so slow.

>>723612085 (OP)
>Duel Links ended up being the definitive way to enjoy YGO digitally
KEK!

>>723612085 (OP)
Playing yu-gi-oh is watching some turbo artist mog the absolute shit out of you on his first turn and having no idea what the fuck just happened

>>723612085 (OP)
>What went wrong?
Back to back to back to back dogshit ass cancer formats.
>snake eyes dominance for an entire year followed by fiendsmith followed by blue eyes followed by primite followed by mermails followed by maliss followed by ryzeal followed by @ignister maliss support followed by mitsurugi ryzeal support
>all while handling the banlist in the worst way possible up to a point where instead of running away from go first or lose games, now these are all you'll play outside some rare events
Fucking grim times ahead bros.

>>723612085 (OP)
Modern yugioh already gets a bad rep for getting wall combo’d into the wall for 10 minutes, master duel’s atrocious banlist and release schedule, plus the fact the game is bo1 exclusively just incentives the most degenerate non-games ever. Even the fucking pros are sick of it it’s not just a “yugiboomer” take anymore that watching the opponent play with themselves for 10+ minutes with no input from yourself just isn’t fun.

>>723612085 (OP)
maliss

>>723612085 (OP)
maliss killed the game

Since Branded the game has been kind of ass. The constant retarded power tripping each new deck gets. If you don't have 10 negates in hand and combo off on the enemy's turn 1 you just don't have a chance. Thank god that floodgates have been all but raped from the game so we can enjoy [floodgates but from the extra deck]. Super fucking fun Konami.

I play Melodious and I feel like it's a good barometer deck to see just how fucked up this game has become. It's a deck that can pretty easily shit out a wall of monsters that are immune to destruction AND targeting, with a boss monster capable of multi-bouncing and a DD Crow on steroids as an endboard, and yet it's almost comedic how many meta strategies and generic outs can just get around that. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, it is a setup where you just scoop if you didn't draw the out so it's a problem, but there are so many problems worse than this problem that it's almost not even a problem anymore, and that's fucking insane to think about. The powercreep is unreal, and with cards like Ryzeal Cross being able to tell chain ruling to go fuck itself it's getting worse and worse very quickly.

Yugioh should just go full gas. Only a nuclear ban list can slow the game down and that is improbable. So instead just make the game even faster. Just make more archetypes that can play on turn 0, possibly even quick effect linking, overlaying, synchroing, and so on during the opponents turns. So instead of playing into an already established board, both players are establishing a board at the same time. Each chain can be the equivalent of a single turn in Goat/Reaper format. Also if you're going to make a bunch of quick effect cards that summon themselves, can summon extra deck monsters, and so on, have some sort of lock like you can only activate these card effects from the hand if no other cards not from the archetype have been used, and you're locked out from using non-archetype cards once you use your decks hand effects. Now non-engine hand traps can be a detriment to your decks game plan because now you can only use non-engine hand traps rather than performing what your deck wants to do.

Hopefully that would make it so people can actually play their deck rather than a couple hand traps then scoop. Also it might change deck building if hand traps aren't as flexible as they once were, especially if non-engine hand traps go contrary to what your deck wants to accomplish and performing explosive plays. It would also allow both players to get two turns of actually playing their deck instead of one person playing two turns and the going second person only playing one turn.

As of right now, Yugioh is miserable to play. You either have to burn through cards to try to onboard any of your cards, or you watch your board being broken by unrespondable cards. Neither being as fun when most decks can put up enough damage to OTK.

>>723612085 (OP)
>What went wrong?
Only has 1 format and most people who have ever played Yugioh hate that format because it's too complex and too power crept.

Sex With Purrely!!!
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEX!!!

>>723612085 (OP)
It’s all their own fault, I wrote them below points in their shitty survey and jackshit happened
> a separate legacy mode for the boomers or newcomers too … done ONCE in a 3 days event
> the game card pool is 6 - 8 months behind the TCG since launch. I wanted MD to be a testing ground before buying IRL TCG but the niggers never done anything because the pool STILL months behind
> no way to convert N and R shards into SR + UR. Not helping that many meme / fun decks are filled with Ultras for no fucking reason
> slow as fuck Structure deck releases
That’s not even mentioned the meta related concerns

Is this proper dueling attire?

>>723612085 (OP)
>What went wrong?

>>723615507
Even if they banned the fucking thing, I don’t think that’s enough

Just limit special summons already, since most the issues come from that.

>>723615507
The game started being designed around this card existing a decade ago. Banning the roach alone isn't enough. You need to ban 500-1000 cards and limit another 500-1000 for the game to be actually enjoyable.

>>723616167
No. All Ash targets need to be limited. The issues of the game come from it being too consistent.

>>723612085 (OP)
Designing the game around handtraps and board breakers

I feel Konami didnt experimented enough with MD: they had a carte blanche to experiment and change broken cards with erratas and try new formats. Some Events are very, very good but others shit the bed so badly you dont want to play them because it ends as regular ranked with slightly tiny difference.
I get the whole "lets players enjoy a format at full power" but most people at least want some hits to keep things fresh, Tear, SE and now Malice long streaks made things boring.

Fiendsmith slop into malice/ryzeal was the death blow.
Things that could have mitigated it beyond obviously pre-hitting decks that would be a gigantic pain in the ass would have been worthwhile events but we didn't get that either. Just frustrating -cups and junk like Under 5*

>>723616659
Erratas and "live patching" individual cards is gay as shit.

I wonder if it's just a time difference because year long snake eyes genuinely didn't feel anywhere near as bad as maliss to me.

>>723616167
Not really. Kashtira can make Ariseheart in 4 special summons, Ryzeal can get to a 4 material Detonater in 3. These simple fixes won't work because the core issue of Yugioh is more complex than "Decks summon too many monsters". It's more that every archetype has so much power that first mover advantage is slowly becoming insurmountable barring ridiculous lingering effects like Shifter, Maxx C, Droll, etc. People think that the Charmies were printed to replace Maxx C but I think Konami feels that cards like Maxx C are the only way to give going second players a chance, so they made a way to give every deck (theoretically) 12 more copies of Maxx C to run. And in some ways they're right. It's not a well-designed card but it negates first-mover advantage if it resolves.

But first mover advantage also gets STRONGER if you apply some kind of lingering floodgate effect on top of it. If both players only get 5 special summons a turn, it just prevents stuff like going for a Zeus play before trying to set up in MP2. Good luck playing through a 4-mat Detonator backed up by Cross when they know exactly how many monsters you can summon.

>>723614221
My idea is to change the game so that a turn is "shared" between players. The second player gets to act as if it were their own Main Phase 1 after the first player performs a summon or starts a new chain. Resolve all effects and any trigger effects as usual, then let the second player play.
For example, after your opponent reveals Habakiri and tributes Saji to add Prayers, you then get to play during that Main Phase 1 (assuming you didn't Droll them, because you started a chain which will shift back the turn to your opponent). You can normal summon, activate a spell, special summon, etc. Setting a spell/trap is free since it does not start a chain, and although your opponent still can activate quick effects when you set a card as usual, you still "have" the turn and are free to do your plays.
To speed up the game beyond the first turn, players will also draw to 5 during draw phase like Rush.

It’s more long turns Blue Eyes meta was fine. Before that with Tenpai people used to play the worst possible turn 1 decks like White Forest going for Beatrice to send Anti-Spell. Maliss turns take way too long. Mitsurugi doubles the combo length of most decks since it has no restrictions. If you don’t open a lingering floodgate going second you lose the duel.

The only good card games are played with these

>>723616659
Rather than experimentation I wish they had just fleshed out the game. They have the ability to create alternate formats, and they already recognize stuff like Time Wizard in real life events WITH prize support. Why not just make some of the Time Travel events permanent, and let people do dailies in them like ranked? Or at least make custom duel rooms with festival rules. It feels like Konami released Master Duel and then immediately put it on the back burner despite huge success. And what gets me is that they clearly want players to spend more UR dust with all the UR taxes on new cards, and getting players to actually build new decks for other formats is an extremely easy way to do that. I'm not gonna craft Pot of Greed/Graceful Charity or w/e for a 3-day trial but I would if there was a GOAT format mode. The hard part of actually making the alternate modes has already been done, so why not capitalize on it?

I mean shit, people say that the game is only catering to whales but what is there to even whale on? Duel Links has like 20 different effects to slap on your favorite cards but we still only have Royals. We get an alt-art or two every 6 months. They added a single collector file and you need 4 URs to fill it. Like fuck if I was in charge of MD and was told to start milking people there's a dozen ways you could do better than Konami.

Purrely Horny Memory

I just don't get why don't they try crazy shit with events and playtest them to see what sticks and what people enjoy. With the tcg of course is super hard but fuck, a digital card game has so many advantages they're really not using.

Maliss not getting nerfed for months really dropped numbers. Otherwise I still do enjoy MD as a game and that you can have fun varied decks and matchups in events.

Turns take way too long
You sit there for 10+ minutes watching someone burn through half their deck just to end on a nearly full generic board that negates everything with a couple spells/traps in the back and somehow they still have plenty of hand traps waiting for you if you manage to play though all that
Hand traps are almost useless now since they'll get played through like nothing happened
Events really only exist to shill whatever new shit is in the shop and the rerun events that promote lower powered decks got worse since they allowed the new support those weaker decks got destabilizing everything

>>723618336
Prolly because they will need to make banlists and update metas for them too and not only the ocg/md, and this will mean busy work not tied to profit of selling new packs.

>>723617926
A simpler variation of this idea would be to apply Summon Breaker's effect permanently, but instead of third summon, the turn ends at the first summon or the first activation of a spell/trap card instead, and this "it becomes the End Phase" effect doesn't start a chain (so you can't respond to it). Remove Main Phase 2 from the game altogether.
The effect also applies to Battle Phase, so if Tenpai makes a synchro monster, the turn immediately ends.

>>723612085 (OP)
>Back to back awful formats
>limited features
>a lot of shitty events
>extremely conservative banlists that consistently leave problem cards in the game for far too long (seriously how is appo still not fucking banned?)
Thats the major stuff.

I Play Purrely in Attack Position! Then Have Sex With It And End My Turn!

>>723612085 (OP)
>What went wrong?
MD having a dogshit banlist that just exists to promote the latest archtype, thus killing almost all petdecks and most rogue decks

gaylord

>>723618742
I'm so glad you people don't have any hand in designing Yugioh. One game action a turn? Really? This would render the game into War with goofier card artwork at best and create a permanent Mystic Mine Burn format on average.

>>723612085 (OP)
>What went wrong?
DL having all the cool stuff while MD is just a shitty online TCG, they have actual events that change how you can play the game, like Duelist Kingdom's event that gives an ATK boost and extra cards depending on which environment you're playing, or Grand Prix which let's you have actual riding duels, they even have more customization than MD with the new card foils they added a while ago (see picrel), konami should stop treating MD like just online TCG and do something unique with it like time wizard events or something that attracts people

Havent played in some months
>Mitsurui are reptiles
Is it worth rolling to do reptile memes? I had a deck that ended up little by little just being Aliens and Ragnaraika+ some Reptiliane

>>723612508
DL cope

>>723621771
No.

>>723621771
You can play Mitsurugi in almost anything because they lack a Xenolock and you can bridge into them via King of the Feral Imps, but if you're asking if some unholy pile of Aliens, Ragnaraika, and Snakes is going to be playable because you also added Mitsurugi, then no. Pure Mitsurugi is tiered, and you can mix it with Ogdoadics, but that's about it as far as direct reptile synergy goes. They REALLY don't want to have to ban Snake Rain.

>>723612527
Mekk Knights are the solitaire antidote. You should look into them.

>>723612085 (OP)
BO1 in a card game designed to be played as a match

>>723620778
We all know why

I wanted to pick it back up and play some sky striker games but everyone's reaction to this game really deters me

>>723623562
Sky Dykers are not uncommon alongside Tenpai.

>>723623590
I will never play t*npai, I will never pull for chinkpai, I will never keep a troonpai card non-dismantled for more than 5 minutes
Hope that clarifies things

>>723623641
Pure Sky Dykers still pulls a good fight.

Mating Pressing Purrely

>>723612085 (OP)
It's just comparing hands, the game is aids.
No one wants to play this shit where you combo for 10 minutes on your turn and then combo again for another 10 minutes on your opponents turn.
Hopefully that new format comes to MD, it might make the game playable.

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>>723624934
>HERO
Ew...

>>723612085 (OP)
Handtraps, floodgates and anime girls that don't look like real monsters.

>>723621408
Duh I'm proposing to a different game altogether. Current fast paced yugioh is fun in its own way

>>723612184
>>723618575
>>723625846
what are your favorite retro format decks?

I only find myself playing if the Dual Pass has a pet I like.
Grinding for gems and materials is cool and all but cards that are Common IRL have no business being UR in this game.

>>723626431
Chadsworn of course.
>it will never get good support cuz teartroons exist now.

>>723612085 (OP)
Literally nothing to do except meta ranked hamster wheel.

>it's another "I REMEMBER THE OLD DAYS" thread
>it's another "unga bunga me summon summoned skull unga bunga me equip axe of despair" thread
>it's another "NO SYNCHRO NO XYZ NO PENDULUM NO LINK NO META NO GRAVEYARD NO FUN" thread
>it's another "NO FUSION TOO BECAUSE I LOST TO BRANDED" thread
>it's another "well when /I/ play I [long list of backwards house rules that ruin the game]" thread
>it's another "I Solemn Exodia!" thread
>it's another "my 60 card deck of one-ofs beat maliss!" thread
>it's another "why do I need a magnifying glass for a card, and I'm not talking about Relinquished, TER, or Last Turn!" thread
>it's another "archetypes killed the game but Pot of Greed, Graceful Charity, and the rest of Chaos/Goat staples are totally ok" thread
>it's another "is mirror force banned????" thread
>it's another "i summon le pot of greed xD" thread
>it's another "le card games on motorcycles xD" thread
>it's another "Synchros/Xyzs/Pendulums killed the game (forgets Airblade Turbo and DAD Return)" thread
>it's another "*holds up summoned skull* let me have fun the wrong way" thread
>it's another "any card thats black or white is sin!" thread
>it's another "im STILL mad after a decade of DM legacy support and pandering" thread
>it's another "unga bunga me hate combos" thread
>it's another "I hate settingu scales" thread
>it's another "I hate linku shokans" thread
>it's another "solemn is negated by jinzo" thread
>it's another "lol remember when he attacked le mooooon" thread
>it's another thread full of anime-only secondaries who miss le "golden" days
>it's another "GOAT format? what's that?" thread
>it's another "BAN ALL KAIJUS" thread
>it's another "unga bunga beatdown only unga" thread
>it's another "g-guys why can't I use my Stardust Dragon from Starlight Road again???" thread
>it's another "Ring of Destruction on Peten!" w-what do you mean it missed timing???" thread
>it's another "*flips Despell* you activated my trap card!" thread

>>723615507
Maxx Cringe is legal over there in Nipland and they have a better deck spread than TCG troons.

>>723612085 (OP)
Because the only players remaining are the die-hard Konami dicksuckers who won't listen to any suggestions or criticism. We told them what's wrong with the game, we told them that it's impossible to get new blood with it's current state, we told them even existing players will get fed up and leave, they never listen. Now they can play the same garbage with the handful of retards who like this shit the way it is for the rest of time.

>>723612085 (OP)
Yugioh in general is fucked. Troon TroonCG is even worse but they keep gaslighting themselves into thinking they’re a good format.
That aside, despite all the bad, I like YGO because of all the good it has too. Cool interactions, synergies, long games sometimes that are back and forth and fun, cooking up new lists… it’s kinda like TF2. There’s just nothing else that comes close to it.

I will save Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel!

>>723622524
>They REALLY don't want to have to ban Snake Rain.
its not even that good, there's literally not enough good reptile cards to make it work, not even enough extra deck reptiles

Genesys format in MD will save us bros, they just need to add point values to the cards, ez to implement.
S-surely.....

There should be limited time formats like runescape does leagues (which always succeed in getting players by the way) just copy youtube have limited formats where people start from 0 and quickly build a side collection

Do this twice a year or some shit.

>>723629136
QRD?

>>723626431
What is considered "retro" these days? To my oldfag brain that would mean pre-synchro but at this point anything pre-pendulum is probably retro.

>>723629405
Fusion deck with turn 0 plays but it’s the most “fair” out of all the archetypes it was with. Yummy and K9 are peak cringe.

>>723629405
Funnest deck to come out in years, short but strong lines. No floodgates, no unfair bs. No annoying bricks. Very fun to deckbuild to your own taste. It’s like Branded if branded wasn’t cringe. The deck just won the latest ycs and is a top meta contender. Polices the cancer ass yummy and mitsurugi decks for fun. Everyone likes Dracotail!

On top of all that, successfully resolving Dracotail Arthalion feels like crack cocaine

>>723612085 (OP)
Here's the thing with advanced. You spend most time playing Master Duel actually not playing. You will get literally unplayable non-games where your skill level will objectively not matter (comparing hands i.e they had more negates than your starters/vice versa, or losing coin tosses and watching someone combo for 13 minutes) and the most common advice regarding that is to just "concedeand play the next game".
Not only has the whole playerbase accepted that the game is riddled with non-games (which is an awful thing to admit), but the most optimal way to play is to spam as many games as possible until you get wherever. Literally machinegunning until you luck out.
The game has a steep learning curve, and after you "get it", the only deciding factor between two skilled players is luck based.
Maybe around 10-20% of the time actual yugioh is being played and it's some of the most compelling engaging card game action ever. The rest of the time it's legitimately unplayable sacky highroll bullshit.
It's horribly balanced (it's not balanced at all), the release schedule has been a clown circus, the banlists are laughable in favor of economy not game health, and they've cranked up the whale squeeze lately.
This may honestly be the worst managed card game I've ever played and reminds me of the time where I quit MTG because it was an insane shitshow.

>>723630018
Not an argument chud, see >>723628430
You're just a salty YuGiBoomer

Ban every card from POTE onward

>>723631458
You mean anything beyond Cyberdark Impact because Six Samurai which were first introduced with Strike of Neos was the first archetype that could pull off degenerate loops.

>>723631837
Branded vs Swordsoul was peak Master Duel

Cards this Sexy and Erotic shouldn't be in the game, period.

>>723631257
I quite literally do not care about your copypasta (I've never read it in any of the threads you've posted it)