Thread 723677937

REMOVE THIS FUCKING SYSTEM. SKILL BASED MATCHMAKING WAS EASIER TO DEAL WITH THAN THIS SHIT.

>ap rat
Yeah no wonder why they lost

>forced 50
zoomer meme, play better

I miss pubs. I want to play multiplayer to fuck around with other people who want to play multiplayer to fuck around. I don't want to sweat all the time.

Splatoon 3 does the same thing and it's fucking obnoxious
>win 2-3 games in a row
>next game you're matched up with shitters that have a 1:4 kill:death ratio and you get stomped
Every fucking time. Engagement-optimized matchmaking is fucking cancer.

>>723678065
no amount of "playing better" will make up for shitty teammates designed to force you into a loss

>>723677937 (OP)
That sounds awesome. Wish single player games did this.

>>723678157
There are people out there right now with 60-70% or higher winrates. Play better.

>>723678065
If you weren't a zoomer you'd be using a server browser.

>>723678207
>well the top 0.5% of players can get slightly above 50% so there's no forced 50% winrate!
tardo

lmao shitter post your account with proof or shut up

>>723677937 (OP)
>forced 50/50
My winrate would always be a consistent ~90% on my smurfs until I got to my old rank.
Could never get my first account out of bronze though. Winrate would be like 60% but with like no lp gains so I would always give up.

>>723677937 (OP)
just play with stack

>>723678268
>top 0.5% of players
>60% winrate
You don't understand how math works.

>>723678207
This retarded argument always makes me laugh, because smurfs and boosters were the first to talk about the loser/winner que. Win 5 or more games and you start getting 30% w/r shitters in your games even if you dodge a few. Lose 5 or more and you will start getting 80% smurfs. Or atleast that's how it was idk didn't play this shit since vanguard.

>>723678980
just make up for your entire team bro

be better men

In a perfect world, games would ship with the ability to host your own server, with mod support.
And the game client would give you a server browser + the ability to do conventional matchmaking. Then you can have your push-button "find standard game" in "casual" or "ranked" whatever. But you can also just break out into whatever you want using the server browser.

Much like the Valve games.
IIRC the canceled Unreal Tournament worked this way when it was still running too.

Having ranked 50/50 ELO matchmaking only is significantly limiting for multiplayer games imo. Less fun, less longevity.

The thing is with these BS matchmaking schemes is that its claimed to be"skill" but its more like "meta youtubefagging" based matchmaking as in, if you want to play the game normallyand experiment withwhatever weapon/build/character etc, you get punished for winning too much likethat by getting thrown in shit lobbies with the kind of retard that googles "COD BEST CLASS" every session and just stands in 2 corners awaiting peole to enter his vision cone instead of playing the game like a real man and exploring the map

>>723679347
And what is the punishment for playing weaker class if everyone has 50% winrate?

>>723679957
dont get it wrong, i dont give a fuck about team Win rate, all i care about is how well i do personally.
Id rather play 100 matches asthe top scoringplayer on either team,and have my team still lose, than play 1 game where my team wins but im at the bottom of the scoreboard individually
You dont experience life through theother 9or so people in the matches' eyes, you see it through your own. If youre not doing good or having fun whats the point

>>723678980
What position did he play?

>>723677937 (OP)
This is why as a dedicated fighting game head, i laugh at all the shooterfags because they dont wanna learn from their matches and actually get better, they want their little dopamine hit for winning. They don't internalize anything from a loss, its always someone elses fault, or the matchmakings fault, or anything else but themselves. This is why you fags get dominated by random teams of fags from asia, because you think because you beat the mid and high tier scrubs that you're good, that you're established and can take anyone. Then you get matched with real competitive players and get fucked.

>>723680587
>>723678980

Nope. Thats your punishment for playing multiplayer games after 2007

>>723677937 (OP)
>League of Legends
Deserved.

>>723678980
>>723680658
how many games do you think he played in immortal? 4000? If your winrate playing at the top of the ladder with the best players isnt 50% then there is something wrong with the system. Over a large enough sample size you will be at a 50% winrate because over a large enough sample size you will be at your rank.

>>723680878
>games don't force you into a 50% winrate..
>...except when they do

>>723680920
no they dont force you but its what happens when you play enough.

>>723680920
Not the guy you're replying to. The only way the game forces you to do anything is if you're penalized for not carrying people by rank reduction or other penalties for leaving. If that happens then yes its forced, otherwise leave the match and find groups. or, learn to fucking socialize, build a team of friends, and learn to play with eachother. Either way usually 99% of the time its the players fault.

All games suffer from casuals now, you're not special. Thats the default of the games industry now.

>>723677937 (OP)
If the game doesn't have a banlist and the option to blacklist being queued with other countries/regions then it's not a real game and you're just playing a lottery simulator with a skinner box attached.

I wish that it would be different because the idea of having a real sort of "e-league" would be fun to watch. But it's all just scripted crap either on the algorithm side or the "who wins this year" side.

>>723678609
As a booster who quit a few seasons ago and recently returned to duo ranked with a GM buddy, the matchmaking is still terrible. What's even worse is that unless you're playing jungle, your impact on the game is weaker than ever. You literally have to play for the team and objectives while hoping everyone else will coordinate to do the same. It's not like in the past where I would skip objectives and bad fights as ADC, get 11-12 cs, get kills, and vaporize the entire enemy team. Before returning, I had quit for like 2 years and haven't touch the game in 2 months now. Hopefully, I never play that shit again.
>>723680805
I agree. LoL players are losers and children--so was I when I cared about it.

>>723677937 (OP)
league of lamers in 2025? lol

>>723677937 (OP)
your "mandated" loss is actually your promo game and if you're losing them then you deserve your rank

>>723681060
Well it's very -telling- that this shit happens on purpose: I reach max rank in every game where I am a single player vs. another player, and in team games it's always all over the place despite me putting in the work (objectively speaking)
Ultimately multiplayer games are a total waste of time unless you know literally everyone on your team IRL and they aren't ragers... but even then it's mindless grinding that takes you nowhere.

>>723680587
>This is why as a dedicated fighting game head, i laugh at all the shooterfags
>They don't internalize anything from a loss, its always someone elses fault, or the matchmakings fault, or anything else but themselves
Nigga, FG players do the same shit all the time. Scrub quotes is a thing because of FG players coping. It's really only CoDfags and now Rivalsfags bitching anyway. Nobody who plays CS or even Valorant is crying about SBMM existing.

>play game
>win some matches
>lose some matches
>this is all actually some evil Jewish conspiracy

>>723680587
lmao you don't play fighting games.

>>723681189
>s always all over the place despite me putting in the work (objectively speaking)
heh I see what you did there

>>723681453
>game tells its your turn to win
>game tells its your turn to lose
>your rank will only change if you play exceptionally well or bad

>>723681189
>I reach max rank in every game where I am a single player vs. another player
A lot of 1v1 games are also way more niche meaning a much smaller playerbase with less competition to reach high ranks compared to a game where hundreds of thousands of people are grinding to reach top 500. Not even mentioning shit like FGs which all have awful ranking systems on top of it that are basically designed to force you up.
>and in team games it's always all over the place despite me putting in the work
Ultimately, the simple fact that some people are able to consistently reach max rank without trouble, sometimes even while handicapping themselves, indicates you're probably just not as good at those games as you think you are.

>>723677937 (OP)
Statistically, your winrate against/with players of equal skill should always be 50%.
You cannot argue against this without sounding like a retard.

>>723678157
Play with a five stack of people you know. You will still get 50/50 win rates unless you're improving.

>>723681828
Correct you can only win or lose when playing games.

>>723678567
the actual top 0.5% of players have about a 50% win rate because they could not possibly be improving still. only the best player in the world is going to have a permanently above 50% win rate. everybody else finds his level and then wins half his matches forever.

>>723682378
>only the best player in the world is going to have a permanently above 50% win rate
Not necessarily, as the OP proves. The system can just drop him in a team full of shitters.

>>723681828
It's not that, in practice, because of how the system works, most games end up being one-sided stomps.
It feels cheap.

>>723682765
Have you considered maybe you just play bad games that's design makes them snowball into one sided stomps.

>>723682378
Everyone has their natural skill level where they will taper out to 50/50.

>>723677937 (OP)
See, to simply avoid the 50/50, duo with your dad who legitimately only goes 1/12/4 and gets out csed by around 80 creeps. when you have that EVERY game, it forces you to get good enough to carry EVERY game.

>>723681828
>>your rank will only change if you play exceptionally well or bad
Yes, that's how it should work. 2 players of similar rank facing each other means they have an approximately equal game-winning ability as the other. If your rank changed as a participation award instead of you winning or losing games, then matching you up with someone of the same rank is pointless for ensuring a fair match.

>>723682765
they are only stomps because fragile bitches start giving up after a few lost rounds

>>723677937 (OP)
How do the bronze tier shitters who are arguably worse than bots get their forced 50% wins? Checkmate

>>723678065
Get cancer and die

>>723683464
R U the fat retard from my last ranked fame who voted No for 10 minutes straight when we were down 10k gold against smolder?

>>723683464
I always wonder how much of this shit gets reinforced because retards think a game is a 'designated loss' at the slightest setback and just check out or outright throw. Then their teammates see they have a 2/13 retard on their team that started inting out of the gate. People even post about how their next game is a loss and they're afraid to get fucked by the MM when they're on a streak before they even queue. Yeah, that's definitely not a self-fulfilling prophecy.

i am reasonably sure the only reason assfaggots and cawadooty got so omnipresent is that massive chucklefucks get to blame their teammates and matchmaking and never themselves in that way you are completely right about joyless "engagement"-driven games, but the only winning move is not to play, and not bitch on forums
play rts or fighting games or deathmatch shooters (those are still around believe it or not) and then tell me if metafaggots or spammers or campers are ruining everything

I actually confirmed this in dota 2. I did a statistical analysis on the streaks and was able to reject the null hypothesis of no matchfixing.

Incidentally, I found a way to subvert the algorithm. It might work for LoL too.

1. only play between 7 pm to 12 pm, which is the casual gamer hours.
2. always cancel joining the first game you get matched
3. pick new role every game
4. dislike all the the players on a team you lose with and like all players on the winning team (dont known if lol has this)
5. always like smurfs so your chancr of getting them on your team is higher
6. always gank their mid in the very early game

boosted my mmr by 500 in 1 week without actually getting any better at the game

>>723678157
Of course. The complainers are always held back by shitty teammates.
One day you'll realize that you're the common factor in all your bad games

>>723681828
>muh rank
Who cares? Are you playing for the game or playing for a medal to pin to your chest?

>>723684056
Also, remember to never play on the full moon and rub your rabbit's foot for a moment while you start queue (do not keep rubbing it while the queue is going only before and as you click).

>>723684056
I fucking knew it
the 8-10 game loss streaks always felr completely unnatural
>smurfs
>chinese russian names who is match queue abusing to play together even in strict solo queue
>literal scripters and map hackers
>absolute account buyer teammates with 1 IQ
then suddenly normal games

The whole "forced 50%" terminology and people posting >>723678980 like it's proof of anything is absolutely, profoundly retarded and makes everyone on that side of the argument who can't properly explain what's wrong sound like like utter morons. Of course once you hit your skill level your win rate is going to balance out at around 50%. I now understand what people are actually complaining about, but fuck me people are dogshit at conveying it.

>>723684509
laugh all you want my mmr skyrocketed and i havent improved at all

>>723684189
>One day you'll realize that you're the common factor in all your bad games
lmao, no they won't

Why don't you just stop playing these team games? It's not like any kind of team play happens unless you're in a party

>>723684669
What games are there?

>>723685112
tetris

play 1v1 games like RTS, Fighting Games, and Chess. free-to-play Mobas and Team Shooters are designed primarily to make you frustrated, the ghouls who make them hate you and hate video games.

>>723677937 (OP)
Is there a single instance of this style of matchmaking actually increasing engagement? As far as I can tell every game that uses it dies, CoD releases are basically dead multiplayer wise within six months now and they are the most aggressive user of it.

>>723685741
>dead slop, dead slop or dead slop

>>723686079
And so the scrub reveals his ultimate excuse: every other grape is sour too. The players and the game truly deserve each other.

>>723686264
RTS deserve it's player base (none) yeah.

>>723685760
CoD famously tried removing matchmaking and it lowered engaement.

Shockingly, uneven fights aren't fun and people quit.

Why the fuck would anyone play multiplayer games?

>>723686840
Of course pure connection based matchmaking is stupid too, you can have skill based matchmaking without going to the point of forcing 50/50 winrates by creating rigged lobbies.

>>723677937 (OP)
Why do you keep playing?
I see people complain about this shit nonstop and they're always pissed off about it and I know for a fact people that play mobas only have fun 30% of the time so why not play something else?

>>723687350
This. Team based games are like a customer service job where the customer can press a button to make you lose your pay for the hour.

>>723687560
IM FUCKING ADDICTED

>playing adc
have you considered playing a role that actually has influence?

>>723687379
There is no way to do skill-based matchmaking that doesn't result a winrate close to 50% for the majority of the playerbase.

If forced 50 is happening then it's bad, but ultimately it feels bad due to the inherently flawed nature of team-based ranked games.
>rise in ranks due to playing well
>stomp on retards at low ranks
>feels good to play well and be rewarded
>reach the rank appropriate to your skill level
>3/5 moron teammates aren't good, they just play 24/7 and have a slightly positive W/L
>keep playing well but lose because there is a millstone about your neck
I don't play fightan games but they're one of the few ranked genres left where your personal skill is the primary factor in whether or not you win. Shit like OW and LoL are just miserable when you're saddled with retards.

>>723687630
uninstall the game and install other games and force yourself to launch them

>>723687560
It's not even fucking LoL or MOBAs. IT'S EVERY FUCKING MULTIPLAYER GAME I PLAY NOW. I SHOULDN'T BE LOSING BECAUSE SOME RETARD DECIDES TO THROW BECAUSE HE GOT HIS CHARACTER TAKEN.

>>723687651
Totally untrue, matchmaking was totally fine up until engagement based matchmaking became the norm. Halo 2, the origin point of matchmade lobby based FPS, had skill based matchmaking.

>>723687723
If you're playing a 5v5 or 6v6 multiplayer game you're playing a bad multiplayer game. My proof is you getting pissed off thinking about your time spent playing them.

>>723687723
>I SHOULDN'T BE LOSING BECAUSE SOME RETARD DECIDES TO THROW BECAUSE HE GOT HIS CHARACTER TAKEN.
It was his designated loss, bro. Why would he try?

>>723687723
Why'd you team up with someone like that? Finding good teammates is part of your expected gameplay skills, if you choose to play with randoms and end up losing then your rank accurately reflects that as well.

>NOOOOOO IT'S NOT REAL, CORPORATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CAUGHT, AND PROVEN BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, TO HAVE USED PSYCHOLOGY IN ORDER TO DRIVE UP CONSUMERISM WOULD NEVER RESORT TO MEASURES LIKE THIS TO DRIVE UP ENGAGEMENT AND PROFIT
If the game has an RNG element of any kind, and is multiplayer, it's being rigged to maximize player engagement by forcing wins and losses.

>>723678123
>>723677937 (OP)
Marvel rivals does this shit to an egregious amount and OW towards the end of its life did this shit. Glad I went back to tf2 server browsers because I hope modern gaming gets cancer and dies

>>723687907
I need to find a way to duo or trio with players.

>>723687936
Activision has a very explicitly detailed patent for their engagement based matchmaking system. There is nothing to even debate here.

>>723677937 (OP)
Wouldn't your win/loss ratio be about 50/50 anyway if you were always matched with players of your skill level?

OP has a massive skill issue because no fucking way there is engagement based MM on RANKED, you know where there is already a rank (formerly ELO) where silver shitters get placed with silver shitters unless you are better in which case you get placed with gold shitters and you know this because your rank is now gold signifying your status in the matchmaker

>>723687641
ADC has influence, but not on the map you just have to actually have the skill to win fights.
t. macrolet that started climbing after switching to mechanical adcs

>>723687943
I just wanted to rank up once today so I can play a game I downloaded after awhile of waiting. Spent 7 fucking hours in ranked in Diamond 3 dealing with close games, smurfs, just getting stomped on, and throwers. I eventually stopped after I lost 4 in a row and ended up in the middle of Plat 1.
Why is it taking me this long to go up one rank?

>>723677937 (OP)
Most people in comp are in a voice chat coordinating. If you're just playing with randoms, then of course you're gonna be at a disadvantage. That being said, what's wrong with a 50/50 win rate? If you want to always win, just press a "That Was Easy!" desk toy.

>>723687759
"Engagement-based" matchmaking doesn't exist.
You people just whine cause your ranking number won't go up.
Why do you even care? If it goes up you'll just lose more since you haven't gotten any better.
If you only want to win, throw games until you're only playing with noobs.

as a guy that started playing dota in 2006, realizing that matchmaking in dota 2 is fixed to give you a forced 50 ruined the game for me. i played this game for almost 15 years.

>>723688029
it has influence in that it's 1/5 of the team but it's not nearly as influential as jgl or sup

>>723688037
Because you're too autistic to play with voice on so you can't have any actual teamwork.

>>723688117
>"Engagement-based" matchmaking doesn't exist.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160005270A1/en

>>723688140
Can't play with voice if I don't even own a mic

>>723688117
It does exist, objectively.

>>723687560
Because people on here both have massive egos and only care about what's popular. They can't just stop playing after getting shit on while not having fun and say the game's not for them. They keep playing, keep fuming, and keep coming up with excuses for why they're not top 500 like they think they should be and crying that the game sucks because of it. This board copes nonstop about any game that challenges them.

>>723687991
Nope I’m just that good

I always find this debate funny because both sides are wrong. Ranked games do have engagement based matchmaking that is strictly intended to discount individual skill and force you to win or lose matches based on what the algo thinks will be more likely to make you queue again tomorrow, and engagement based matchmaking is not forced 50% but actually a dynamic based on your learned play patterns. If losing a game where you individually perform well causes you to re-queue immediately, while winning a game where you individually perform well causes you to retire for the night, the queue will do their hardest to avoid the latter, and it is very simple to consciously reverse this trend.

>>723678065
>dropped into impossible match, get destroyed
>feel unhappy with my win
>next match is against braindead toddlers
>feel unhappy with my win
>next match is impossible again
>repeat forever
fuck everyone who says it's not a forced 50/50, that shit's very real

>>723677937 (OP)
>playing assfaggots
You deserve to be treated like cattle. If you wanna a fair challenge play 1vs1 games.
But you won't, because like every assfaggotslopper your fragile ego need a teammate to blame for your failures

>>723688185
That's something different, this is a patent for matchmaking that matches you with whales so they can force you to look at all of the microtransactions on offer. Activision does have a patent for engagement based matchmaking as well though.

>>723688310
you are talking to a shill being paid to intentionally argue poorly for the side that the company wants to lose

>>723688362
Take your meds, bro.

>>723680518
Power bottom

>>723687991
Because of people like this:
>>723688037
>Why is it taking me this long to go up one rank?
They think they are entitled to go up a rank by playing a lot. "Going up one rank" should happen as a result of it "taking me this long", instead of getting better and winning a lot more. Anon thinks Diamond 3 should eventually change to Diamond 2 as if its like getting enough XP to level up. Its a tool to ensure even matchups with other players, not a Plat Trophy for your profile.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL
LMAAAAAAOOOOOOOOO
Its so obvious that these games fuck with your psychology in order to addict you to their shitty ass Moba/OW like "game". You have literal shitskins ITT defending this garbage because of sunk cost fallacy and stockholm syndrome, over a retarded rank. Anyone playing these shitty "games" post Overwatch deserves it.

>>723677937 (OP)
Its more like 75% if you are good player because they will always throw a match you can't win against because of cheats on the fourth game. 3 regular games and 4th cheating bitch ruins it for you. Every single fuckin game is like that, Multiplayer is dead, thanks a lot cheaters and zoomzooms.

>>723688539
>You have literal shitskins
It's always weird seeing someone suddenly say stuff this when my first thought upon reading their post is that they're clearly brown and possibly underage.

MOBAfags are so pathetic holy hell

>>723688626
How is the Dota 2 suicide rate anon? Not lookin too good eh?

>>723688227
You're right but you're stupid for thinking it's exclusive to this board. It's a problem that a large chunk of people that play video games have.

>>723688626
>t. seething shitskin

>>723688715
I don't play dota 2, I have no idea what you're talking about. More evidence of how brown you are.

>>723688185
>>723688310
If a company has a patent for engament-based matchmaking, it means every other company is BANNED from using it, making all your complaints about matchmaking manipulation by games from them just schizophrenia.

>>723688842
Banned from using that exact method, you can still accomplish the same thing by changing just one superficial thing.

>>723688715
Its LoL that has the higher suicide rate thoughbeit?

>>723688681
Mobafags are literal subhuman golems

>corporations have patents blatantly stating they do "x"
>"bro x doesn't exist what are you even talking about"
>there exists corporations that sell their services to other corporations. Such services include PR, astroturfing, damage control, and poisoning the water on any popular discussion forum where corporations might receive criticism
>"bro you're just being a schizo"
I don't know which is more tiresome, the fact that we might talking to shills, or genuine, honest to god retards who run damage control for corporations for free.

>>723688874
Dota 2 is the most mentioned game in this thread.
Valve would absolutely not fucking bother.

>>723684189
>>723684646
>I have the most kills on my team and a positive k:d
>all 3 of my teammates are 1:3 k:d or worse
yeah it's totally my fault we lost
you got me

>>723688874
I think it needs to be more than a few things such as mathematics on frequency and for example dropping any "advertisement" related parts of the patented mechanics. Just having an "ELO system" which matches you according to a weight based on rank and earlier performance for a "balanced game" against enemy team with similar statistics can't be patented.

>>723678065
>Play better than the literal best players on the planet
>Dude my buddy one time got a 10 game win streak so actually you can win 100% of your games

You're silly. Show us your 52% WR, or your 10 game smurf in iron. The best players get 65% with a good patch for smurfing.

>>72368868
When they get carried and win it's because they are great.
When they lose is because their team is shit.
The entire genre is based around appealing weak people than can't cope with failure and always need an excuse.

>>723688932
It's because it's sunk cost fallacy. You honestly think fags here would drop a game they spent literal decades playing to achieve their retarded rank/ cosmetics?

I'm glad more people are opening up to forced 50. Dota 2 has is bad too

>>723678157
there are options you're just lazy
find friends that like the game and play togther.
play a solo fighting game.
get a job.

>>723688982
In general you need two people with positive KDs of 3.0 or 2.0 whilst 1.3 KD for two others and the last guy as long as they are doing support right can do whatever regarding KD and your team will win. That's the basic maths if we are using 5 man team format.

>>723688932
You can literaelly look at the ranks of everyone you play with.
How exactly do you think they set up a losing team without being noticeable?

>>723677937 (OP)
>>723681828
You retards could be sitting at home flipping a coin and then have a screaming meltdown over not being able to predict heads or tails with 100% certainty.

>>723688472
>"Going up one rank" should happen as a result of it "taking me this long", instead of getting better and winning a lot more
Funny thing is Rivals ranked system is basically like that. Vast majority of ranks gain more MMR for winning than losing so you can promote with a sub 50% WR and you even get a recharging shield that protects you from a loss. Still I remember people in the general crying how hard it was to get fucking gold near launch and you have retards like that anon complaining the game won't let him rank up. Then the morons whine about some hidden algorithm causing them to get shitters on their team rather than the blatant flaws in front of them.

>>723689308
HOW DO I GET TAILS NINE TIMES IN A ROW UNLESS IT'S FUCKING RIGGED?

>>723689413
By applying same amount of pressure every time at same exact height from the surface it drops to. You can actually learn to control and "cheat" coin tosses as a part of a magic trick with coins.

Automated matchmaking is garbage. Lobby based gaming is the true superior form of multiplayer.
There's a comic explaining this in more detail but I'm too lazy to find it.

>>723689302
>There are fags here actually whining that people on a [redacted] discussion board disagree with them over the matchmaking system for a shitty moba

If you are stuck on a 50/50 ratio then you are on the rank (You) mathematically deserve.
>NOOOOOO I SHOULD BE HIGHER
You don't meet the criteria for it. Get better.

>>723689508
Bullshit, show me a master magician getting the same flip one hundred times in a row. You can't. It's rigged.

>>723689790
I can show you a machine do it but anyway there's a trick: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eLRajIULb8Q

>>723677937 (OP)
>Forced 50/50
You are playing a team game, how many times do you act as a teambuilder? Do you just pick chars you like or some with proper synergy with your team?
Or do you just SoloQ and pick vhar you wsnt unless it gets banned and complain about lack of ganks nonstop?

If you actually care about competitive gaming, then build a team and communicate and plan strategies and counterpick meta etc.
Or play 1v1 games if you want pure skill expression. Now you're whining that you ain't getting carried. Like come on.
Grow up.

>>723677937 (OP)
I quit LoL when they added Vanguard.

>>723678157
this
it's not worth putting effort into these games
what do you even get for playing comp? nothing

>>723689913
Money if you are a pro or aiming to whore yourself out in the future for the esports leagues. Otherwise nothing.

>>723677937 (OP)
Have you tried playing 1vs1 games?

>>723689887
Considering how the average anon acts and even the shit they say about their matches, I fully assume people on here probably tilt the fuck out of their teammates less than a quarter of the way into a match and then wonder why all their teams suck and people are inting.

>>723689974
oh fucking please
im old enough to remember people like fatality
playing for league money isnt worth it at all

>no one single op gg posted on this thread as proof of engagement based matchmaking
You're more delusional than flat earthers

>>723690012
Yeah I know. Hence why I never aimed to go pro in any game because that's just gay.

>>723689993
It's a team game, so sometimes you play better than usual but still lose, and sometimes you play worse than usual but still win.

I think most players remember the former very strongly but quickly forget the latter.

>>723688982
How much do you communicate and act as team leader? You are plsying a team game.
If you can't help your teammates bounce back, you suck as a team player. Your ego is so massive you refuse to believe you do anything wrong and everything is everyone else's fault.
Pack is as fast as it's slowest member.

>>723687943
The ironic thing is that tf2 had a solution to that, where it would just scramble the teams if the game was too one-sided. Not a perfect solution but generally it meant you didn't get steamrolled for long.
And then they removed it to chase the E-sports crowd.

The funny shit about salty assfaggots like OP is that they can't face reality.
You aren't a chosen one shonen MC that is going to get better than everyone through training. Your skills have a natural celling, and if you can't climb higher is because you reached your top. Potencial has a limit and some people have a higher one, cope with it.

>>723688209
Wait.
You are playing a fucking team game and not communicating? You are borderline trolling.
>CS2 ranked
>"Bro why are you never throwing nades?"
>"Uhh... I don't wanna???"
Then wondering why you lose. Tho vc is even more important. MUCH more important.
It's a fucking team game, why are anons so fucking retarded? WHY!?

>>723678065
>>723677937 (OP)
why do people act like this is a new thing? don't you remember the sniper frog cod meme?

gaming was better when there was no skill based matchmaking
everybody gets a chance to shit on noobs

>>723690361
nta but with ping systems and typing it's not needed desu

>>723690297
The difference is also that shonen protagonists are nice people who likes to make friends with almost everyone. That is the strongest aspect of the mc, their charisma and sheer kindness makes people gather around them.
Meanwhile anon yells that everyone else is retarded and he's being held back by others. In essence anon would be like some early arc villain.

>>723690439
>I JUST WANNA STOMB HELPLESS NOOBS THAT CAN'T FIGHT BACK
Thanks for showing your true face. I never expected someone that bitches about forced 50/50 ratio to seek real challenge

>>723690684
>people likes to shit on noobs and doesnt like having to lose so often
wow what a marvel concept

>>723678207
Now post their solo rates.

>>723690445
Appears its needed to rank up.

>>723690760
not really

>>723690361
>It's a fucking team game, why are anons so fucking retarded? WHY!?
A lot of retards really don't understand that being a team player is a skill in itself. If someone feels like they're better than everybody at their rank but still can't rank up because of their team then they've probably just reached the point where their individual skill no longer compensates for how much they drag everybody else on their team down and/or fail to set them up for success. Or they're just delusional. One of the two.

>>723690445
>Someone flanking behind
>Be in middle of action
>Start typing "I think x/y/z is heading to you from a/b/c route" and spam pings instead of saying in vc "boobmastah is heading to you, saw him head to golem" or smth
Same with general quick comms to someone. "You got ult?", "Tank forward", "Our teammate is getting quick farm don't engage yet", "try bait them to get closer", "do you have tele up? I can bait them". Instead you spam "HELP!" on your lane and jungler thinks you are another autistic kid, especially when you throw "enemy missing" at them when they don't do as you say.
Ping system is nice for casual or synergy with vc but there is a reason why pros talk in vc.
If you want to play competitively, then actually put effort into it. Nothing is more embarrassing than complaining about team while not even trying your best because you wanna protect your ego.
Again.
If you don't wanna use vc or think you are better than others, play 1v1. Then you can blame only yourself if you lose.

>>723690927
You care more about this than I do

>>723690723
Only those that are on top are entitled to that. Get better ;)

>>723677937 (OP)
just play better games

>>723690964
Maybe that's why you are 50/50.
Use the fucking mic, and see >>723690892

>>723691046
again you care more about this than I do

>>723691073
That's right. We're gonna discus this topic even if you don't care.

Ok, so, according to League players there are this so called forced 50/50, but they still have to match you with people that are on the same rank or at least close in MMR than you.

So, how does these super duper bad players that force a loss manages to stay at your rank and have a 50/50 win ratio too? If they are so bad that they guarantee a loss, how do the game manages to make them win half of the time?

>>723691117
NOOOOO I MADE THIS THREAD SO YOU REINFORCE MY DELUSIONS, NOT TO MAKE ME FACE REALITY

i love playing as kyle and morgana, i also love playing as support and talking to anons in the chat, it's fun

>>723687651
You can make matchmaking such a massive grind that people never actually reach their accurate rank and sadly this isn't even a bad idea because people really just want to grind to make a number go up anyways.

>>723691149
Obviously, the system was specifically designed to keep me, a top great player, with shitters.

>>723690361
>and not communicating
There's pings

>>723690684
NTA But, how the fuck do you think you actually improve doing things? You learn by watching and stealing other peoples techniques. It's literally how you learnt to walk and talk.
While I agree it can kind of suck if literally everyone on the enemy team is better than you, but just change fucking server. That's the entire point of having dedicated servers.

All skill based matchmaking does is make you learn from people doing shit wrong in the first place. Imagine trying to learn to read from someone with downs.

>>723690085
>I think most players remember the former very strongly but quickly forget the latter.
XCOM taught me very well that a lot of people are insanely biased about when shit doesn't go in their favor and struggle to understand probability. Funnily enough, anons will also insist that series is rigged against them despite the sequel even rigging it in the players favor on lower difficulties.

>>723691243
Anything on a high competitive level is like that. It's not fun. The top is tediously grinding that lil 0,001% because that's what makes the difference. If you can't endure it you simply don't have the mentality

>>723681108
Playing LOL was one of the most miserable experiences of my life. I really tried to give it a fair shake but it was ass. I played top and was always at the mercy everyone else on my team preforming well. There was now carrying no matter how well I did top. When I switched to mid I could feel my influence over the game increase 10 fold, getting dragons In current league is far more important than anything wants to admit getting one is the equivalent to a whole item.

Also I saw that leak where the game will ajust how much damage you do or how much exp you gain based on how the games going or if you do something like switch lanes. The games are literally rigged by a merciless robot

>>723677937 (OP)
but that is skill based matchmaking. are you retarded?

>>723691459
>how the fuck do you think you actually improve doing things?
>All skill based matchmaking does is make you learn from people doing shit wrong in the first place
This idea only really applies if you're not a good player already and preferably even below average. If you're good then you will have a much harder time improving without SBMM because SBMM will exclusively match you with fellow good players rather than average and below average ones making up most of your matches. I could easily stomp dedicated servers I played on and even got falsely banned for hacking on a few occasions but I never improved as much and as fast as when I finally played a game with a ranked queue.

We wouldn't have to trick you into being addicted if you would willingly become addicted. We wouldn't have to manipulate you if you would just do what we want you to do without having to be manipulated. We wouldn't have to force you to do what we want if you would just accept that you exist to do what we want. Everything we do, it is because you are being bad cattle, which means it's all YOUR fault.

>>723693925
So true fellow gentile

>>723694024
The sooner you except that G-d's Chosen People are the rightful rulers of the world and goyim exist only to serve the Chosen People, the sooner you will finally be happy. Let us exploit and torture you, it's what you were born for.

>>723691683
>Also I saw that leak where the game will ajust how much damage you do or how much exp you gain based on how the games going or if you do something like switch lanes.

Unironically I thought I was schizo, doing math in my head thinking "no my damage should have been slightly higher" or "how did opponent out level me when I forced them out of lane twice while catching every wave", can you post a link or some shit to confirm my schizo feelings? I was content thinking I was just a shitter, but I also wouldn't put it past chinkcent to manipulate games that way

>>723681386
idk about valo but cs always had community issues (hackers, mongoloids with 0 mental) and at least early csgo had insane matchmaking rank issues where you'd win 5-10 games in a row and not rank up but lose 1-2 and derank with no visual indicator of what went wrong
(it's also clear as day that player selection is rigged as shit in league and completely "random" in cs)
rivals' system can be completely circumvented if you just log off after your first shitty loss and wait a bunch of hours, which is better than league's guaranteed overcompensation loss streaks

>>723689308
The problem is I can absolutely predict when the coin is probably going to land on heads or tails because most games thankfully have third party trackers so I can gaze upon the subhumans the algorithm has blighted me with.

>>723693080
>or playing unranked
I don't really get why people crying about forced 50/50 don't just play it. Unranked in games is still loose enough you can stomp people and win most of your games if you actually are genuinely good at the game. All the great players are practically guaranteed to never touch it over queuing ranked unless they're playing with friends too.

>>723694538
What's even funnier is plenty of games have had to obfuscate or outright hide this sort of thing during loading screens because people usually begin to track players before the game is even loaded and back out from the lobby to save their rank because they know the algorithm served them a lemon. Do these companies make an actually decent matchmaking service in response? Absolutely not, they just punish you even harder for doing it and try to make sure you can't tell when it's your turn on the block.

>>723677937 (OP)
Have you considered that you're just nowhere near as good as you pretend to be or even is just straight up bad at the video game?

>>723690361
>You are playing a fucking team game and not communicating?
i can't call my AD carry "my goat" and say shit like "LETS GOOOOO" with my big manly burly voice, i would consider severe self harm if i heard this shit in my voice out loud it's embarrassing, typing it in the chat allows me to disassociate a little, like posting anime images on 4chan, it's less embarrassing somehow, i don't know how to explain it

>>723684056
>2. always cancel joining the first game you get matched
you can do that but i prefer to play out my guaranteed winning streak. hey, if the game wants my matches to be rigged, i won't stop it so i can find genuinely challenging and enjoyable matches
>3. pick new role every game
it does way more harm than good
>start of day: play your desired role
>after first egregiously shit loss: cancel the first match it finds you, play fill
>if last match is also a loss: continue the process and cancel matches as much as you can until you get the low priority warning (not until you get the actual penalty)

objectively what's the problem with losing? i still have fun which is the goal

>>723695031
It's called social camouflage, when the need to work together culminates in the imitation of a given culture. You aren't hiding how you really feel, but our ape brains subconsciously do this to build rapport with would be allies. We know this works because ape together strong has been deeply etched into out DNA

>>723688271
I play league once or twice per year. Get my fill and uninstall for another 6 months. I dont hate the game, i just wait for the moment i will enjoy it despite the gambling aspect.

>>723687641
i'm about to quit top and go play adc. adc is literally just map awareness and farming but you get rewarded for it because inherently people HAVE to care about you
apes together strong

>>723677937 (OP)
Little babys hit his skill ceiling. Smurfs get to their rank after less than a week. Try harder.

>>723695318
Brother, as a former adc player turned top player circa 2014, I will tell you one stone cold fact that doctors fucking hate; the very moment you decide you pick up adc seriously, your opponents teams will always consist of some permutation of Fizz, LeBlanc, Talon, Zed, Kled, Sion, Jayce, Katarina, Xin Zhao, Rengar, Akali and/or Sylas. You will be killed repeatedly, flamed for feeding the assassin (whose entire purpose and design is to kill you, the adc, and then fuck off into the jungle). You will be reported for underperforming, and your death recap will say "damage taken in 0.26 sec 8497"

You are far better off playing beefy toplaners who have objective control at lower ranks, because simply put they ignore half of the games mechanics and shove their lane into the enemy base by 15 minutes and the other team will likely ignore you in favor of team fight advantage.

What is the most important and influential role in league of legends?

>>723695732
nta but have you considered that top laners need to be good at 1v1ing? not to mention that if they go 3/0/0 the threat of a juggler invading becomes imminent so the momentum can't be carried for long and if you have the opposite problem where you go 0/3/0 you'll be at the mercy of the enemy top until your jungler comes to help

>>723688129
sup being influential is a meme
tank supports are sub 45%wr in soloqueue because NOBODY follows up on engages (people literally don't understand braum's passive even as it places 4 MASSIVE MARKS UNDERNEATH CHAMPIONS) and you can't babysit nearly as properly as with enchanters
enchanters are 50%wr on the dot and are only viable when you're autofilled and want to relax and if the team enables them to be
mages/assassins are 51%wr (after 3.5mil mastery points earned) beyond the scope of shitstomping and cheese and are never worth the mental strain and effort
NOTE: this list only applies to normal champs, i'm not including monthly/yearly riot favoritism which applies to other champs in other roles as well

>>723694538
>>723694686
You're inherently adding bias to the prediction though if you're looking at the tracker beforehand to decide whether or not the game is a loss. You're not going to play the same if you think your team is dogshit and expect to lose before the match even starts. You might argue that you do well regardless so it's fine but it's a team game and your actions still influence others. You're not going to support someone as hard if you think they're dead weight. If you want to actually see how well you can predict matches through that then you should mark down after each match whether you think it was intended to be heads or tails, the result, which players you expect are subhumans and which are fine, and then review the tracker afterwards using a decent sample of games while checking how many times you got it all right. You're probably just going to get upset and call me a retard though...

>>723696026
>nta but have you considered that top laners need to be good at 1v1ing?
Yes. I've played Sion since his rework, and I'll tell you from the standpoint of 11 years experience, Sion can genuinely ignore the entire 1v1 premise.
Push the wave, walk away, push the wave, walk away.
There's tons of non-matches for toplaners, who end up in 0/0/1s and 0/0/2s where the lane can go either way based on lane control, wave manipulation and build patching. Sion with Stridebreaker and Hullbreaker can just push, and as I stated the enemy team in lower ranks will oft ignore you for team fight advantages, especially ego players who are 3/0 and leave lane for even a minute. Have you ever done the thing where you feel like you're winning but you look at your top lane (who won his lane and is now grouping) and there's a fucking tryndamere in your base? Yea, he was left alone for all over 1 minute (12 minions + cannon) and it was enough for shove inhib towers. Tier 2 towers when behind Grant upwards of 650g, that's comeback gold, which is then used for further pushing.
>thread of jungle
Manage your waves properly and you'll never be in a position to be ganked. Either you shoved them out because they can't match your wave clear, or freeze the wave under tower and they have to act on the coin flip kill instead of potentially better objectives such as the first dragon. It's especially coinflippy in lower ranks, because skill is relavent when diving turrets at pre-level 7. Minutes 3 through 12 should entirely be focused on the waves. If you're losing lane, let the opponent push, freeze under tower. Ego players always push, they have to. It's an assertion of dominance, and that hubris if your weapon, and their weakness.

>>723678065
This shit is was in documents EA had to submit to courts in some lawsuit.

>play marvel rivals
>first match of the day is a complete curbstomp where the enemy team gives up
>next three matches are 20 minute overtime shitfests that are actually genuinely fun and well matched and challenging
>5th match is a curbstomp where a player on your team is always afk and there's a 3rd paki/french/tranny dps shotcaller
no rigged matchmaking here, no sir

>>723677937 (OP)
Cs2 might have the worst matchmaking ive experienced

>>723681828
>your rank will only change if you play exceptionally well or bad
If only. But if you play well, the enemy team, who are not bumbling retards, will obviously target you first, while your drooling fuckwit companions do nothing to help you. So you either get steamrolled, or you cry and get steamrolled.

>>723695890
support

>>723694261
Everything is "out in the open" you just have to look for it. I know linking to a reddit thread is pretty cringe but I don't care to do it any other way https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ixdy1j/pbe_datamine_2025_february_24_updates_to_lane/

>defending minion turret damage ×3.0 -> ×10.0
Lol

>>723689308
Yeah, c'mon guys. They just make patents and restrict your access to custom lobbies/servers for research or something. They've been hiring psychologists to HELP you, not squeeze every last cent out of you they possibly can.

>>723677937 (OP)
Start playing fighting games then.
1vs1, no icky teammates and forced 50% WR!

I think games should be transparent about their matchmaking algorithms and RNG/dice-rolls (if any). People assume that it's "fair" but, in certain games, we all know that if you win too much, they'll knock you down a peg so that you still feel like you need to improve and if you lose too much they'll give you some free-wins so that you feel better about yourself.

>>723695890
top lane tank obviously

>>723678157
This.
I was stuck in high Herald, low Crusader in Dota 2 for ages because of literal retard 3rdies who'd just casually go afk for 30min during their match to walk their monkey or whatever the fuck it is that 3rdies do.

>>723695890
soloq its jungle/support, comp its mid lane

>>723703373
>comp its mid lane
Shouldn't it be easier to midlane when you can call for help whenever you're ganked from all 6 entrances?

>>723703532
that doesnt really happen as often as before unless youre playing some immobile like orianna and they counterpick with jarvan annie or some shit
id say in comp its mid because mid push lets your jungle do whatever the fuck he wants on the map + you can move to either side or just dip in fog to create fake pressure

>>723678367
it can't keep you at rank unless you are within a certain range, it prefers to let you up into the range you can be kept in. its obviously not a hard limit, they want you to be able to progress, but they make it harder than it would be naturally.

>>723678157
You are so schizophrenic that you're now saying you believe your teammates are "designed".

>>723677937 (OP)
what game?

Apex Legends has the most rigged matchmaking ever. It's abhorrent. It'll give you one allocated win like a fuckin' lotto ticket then send you straight into hell with lobotomized teammates to get farmed by twitch streamers for the next 50 games

>>723678157
>people get so mindbroken by assfaggots games they unironically believe there are "agents" the matchmaking algo is reserving specifically to fuck THEM over

Personal performance should play a much larger role when determining elo gain

>>723705484
Nta but mmr systems ruins games because it turns every match into recognize the vip and protect the vip, while praying the vip doesnt have a melty and decide to lose.

Of course the real problem is people should stop playing any game thats team based solo

>>723707372
I mean if your carry with a net worth of a small european country decides to go stand afk in the fountain 40 minutes in, that's 40 minutes of your life you're not getting back unless you're playing against retards, regardless of whether it's a high mmr sbmm game or a garena room back in the wc3 days.

>>723677937 (OP)
Remember when EOMM launched and Riotdrones were non-stop working 24/7 to gaslight everyone that it's not true? You would see people in silver and gold ranks trying to convince professionals to play better in their streams, pros that had multiple medals and were in the top 50 ranks in solo queue in the previous seasons and they were getting stuck at diamond 1. Later EOMM was renamed to SBMM, so the same drones would argue that "hah, it's skill based, so if you lose it's because you have no skill lmao" to the same professionals that would now have to grind 10x more matches to reach their old rank. The cherry on top was when Vanguard was implemented in the Riot client, and the reddit jannies were purging every Vanguard-related thread within seconds of being posted, while the drones would argue that Vanguard is harmless.

You will never win an argument against these subhumans. They are just reading their script.

>>723677937 (OP)
>League in the year of our lord 2025

>>723689065
Tyler1 a literal retard got 5 sperate accounts for each role to the top.
You have 0 excuses for being dog shit at pressing 6 keys and moving a mouse

>>723707114
It usually boosts you up a lot faster if you're clearly carrying, in my experience. They're team games at the end of the day though. If you're really struggling in a rank you know you're better than it's probably because you're not a very good teammate.

>>723710271
The highest win rate account was 50.8%

>>723678008
AP rat is very strong right now.

>>723710587
>Source
>Uhhh uhhh it came to me in a shit eating induced fever saaar right after I got done big fucking

>>723689065
65% is rather high for Smurfs outside of the equivalent of bronze ranks actually. >>723710271
This is literally the opposite example. This is a guy who like you said has multiple top ranked characters but this grind took him months and his win rate was barely above 50%. League of legends is literally confirmed as a forced 50% game, they had to remove the ability to actually see who your team mates and enemies were because it was a higher EV move to dodge the queue because it was so obvious when you were getting handed your ordained losses.

>>723710748
https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/MAMMOTHMAN65-NA1/champions?season_id=17

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/BUZZLIGHTYEAR99-37585/champions?season_id=15

>Retard who doesn't know how to do a basic web search wants to tell me about how matchmaking works

>>723711172
Anon, that’s a bot.

>>723709825
>drones
It’s actually bots

>>723677937 (OP)
>forced 50/50 win rate
How would that keep you addicted? If you stagnate forever you'll eventually get frustrated and drop the game.

>>723711767
It’s gambling retard

>>723711172
>Check first link
>Top five most played characters have a 59%, 49%, 69%, 55%, and a 61% WR in order
What am I missing here?

>>723711767
Because retards go
>Can't stop on a loss...
>Can't stop on a winning streak!
See >>723699474

itt: kids don't understand how probability works

>>723705158
>>723705484
It's genuinely sad. How do you even argue against delusion like that? Nothing you can possibly say will convince them of anything.

>>723711767
The retard OP does not understand that it is not forced 50/50, its playing against players of your own skill level means you will naturally win 50% of the games and lose 50% of the games. If you get better you will win more until you stagnate again, if you get worse, you will lose more until you reach your skill bracket.

I have yet had someone explain how being matched against players of your own skill level would not result in a 50/50. The only ones who won't fall in that category, is extreme outliers, aka the very best in the world, where there is not enough of a pool of players to evenly match against them, or the very worst players, which again, are so bad, there is not enough bad players to match against them.

>>723712280
Reminder that popular strategy games often nudge rolls in the player's favor because people are fucking terrible at understanding probability and will throw a fit if a 95% isn't actually a 99.95%.

>>723691332
>>723691149
By giving the enemy team even worse players or pairing them with people so absurdly better than them that they can still carry. Either way one drags the other closer to 50%
Kill yourselves you stupid fucking faggots Riot's algorithm was so fucking easy to game that OP.gg outright told you when you were in a losing game that you should dodge until riot fucking hid your own teammates names from you in champ select

>>723712440
>I have yet had someone explain how being matched against players of your own skill level would not result in a 50/50
They just cope and cry that their teammates always suck. Funny how nobody ever mentions getting thrown into a game where they clearly don't belong and hating how they're the designated retard their team has to carry and rages at, huh?

In a soloq environement you need to isolate the winning moves even if it sends your mate into frothing rage.
You can't expect your mates to play to your strength but when you're capable of spotting a upcoming good move from your mates and playing to theirs it'll skyrocket your winrate on average and you'll climb.
Works for every type of games as well.

>>723712071
>Retard doesn't understand how a WR works, and thinks he can get a ranking as In Fizz queue.

>>723712308
Think for five seconds. Why would they be spending all of this money employing phycologists, changing how matchmaking works, if the intent was to have matchmaking be totally random?

Do you actually think it's just completely undesigned, and you're just as likely to get Tyler 1 in your Iron 4 game as you are some Chinese man who has been trying to lose every game? It's obviously not true even if you've never left silver, you must understand that there is matchmaking.

>>723710389
havent played lel in a long time but when I did and in other team games personal contribution rarely gave you more than 2% extra elo. it should be closer to 50% of the end of game points which also get deducted if you win but play like shit

>>723688037
If you rank up then suddenly struggle and find yourself winning only 50% of the time then guess what, you found your rank.

>>723712461
Well this works both ways. The only time 5% is 5% is when you have a system that prevents outliers with pseudo RNG.
I am curious about this popular strategy games you talk about that nudge rolls in players favour, because more often I would encounter the opposite, where the RNG was so hard baked that the % were not representative of your actual odds (think X com), where a game would pre-determine your successes and failures, so the % the game displays would be a literal lie.

>>723712440
it's rigged, you're a faggot
almost every single game is a stomp, no matter what video game you play
lol, cs, rocket league, battlefield it does not matter you will always look at your scoreboard and either see x amount of players playing perfectly, building the right items, positionning themselves correctly, good aim or you will ask yourself if you are even playing with humans
out of dozen of games you will probably play one game where it feels like teams are evenly matched.
this plus the fact that there are several patents describing precisely what they are doing, redditor

>>723712440
The common argument I've heard is that it doesnt do what you described. If you win couple fights in a row, you get put into match where your team has average skill level of, say, 36 while enemy team has 821. Then you're given couple equal matches but if you lose too many of them you're given a match against a team with abysmal skill level and your team is all pros.

I have no idea if this is true, but the argument is that apparently such methods keep people playing longer. Even if they dont consciously realize how the system works, losing every now and then combined with curbstomp win highs keeps you playing "one more round".
What I do know is that most social media algorhithms do this: they mix posts that you'll get angered by into the feed just sparsely enough so you dont realize it, because it massively increases engagement.

>>723712308
Its wild. I once coached a guy in Dota when they had the active coaching enabled. And the guy ranted straight for 30 minutes how its the matchmaking keeping him in the MMR trench. Meanwhile, he played like ass.
And no matter how nice I tried to be about him having to improve some of his basics, or reduce how risky he plays, he would just not have it. Nope, its the forced 50:50, and not just the fact that its his skill level that keeps him there.

>>723712763
>if the intent was to have matchmaking be totally random?
>Do you actually think it's just completely undesigned, and you're just as likely to get Tyler 1 in your Iron 4 game
Who the hell said this? Do you think people saying they're not rigging matches are arguing that SBMM isn't a thing at all and MM is completely random?

How is stacking skilled players on one team considered balancing?

>>723690361
I Play game to kill fuckers not to talk with random fuckers
Im muting all team when start Marvel rivals ranks

>>723712971
>I have no idea if this is true, but the argument is that apparently such methods keep people playing longer.
Which is retarded. It works literally by matching you against people with a similar skill level. The issue I saw with a lot of people in mid or low skill levels is that they are inconsistent as fuck, and play really risky and very egotistic. So if they are having a good match, they will feel like a diamond tier god, but as soon as the enemy exploits a mistake or two of theirs, they will crumble and blame the forced 50/50 putting shit teammates on their team. Literally all they have to do is be better on average and they will get a positive winrate.
Its also sad, because you will literally have people prove to them that you can climb out of a trench by smurfing, and you will have pros get some low elo account and get it back to their elo over and over again, fucking hell you literally have chinese and ruskies sell accounts by doing that, and for some reason they don't ever get trapped in a forced 50:50.

>>723678157
This schizophrenic EOMM nonsense doesn't even hold up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. There can't possibly be millions of players maliciously placed into peoples games just to force them into a loss. What happens when the EOMM agents fall into gold/silver/bronze matches and start stomping? Do they have EOMM agents placed with or against them? Do we have an infinite regression of EOMM agents? No.

The reality is that almost all games operate on a simple ELO style rating system - If you win your rating goes up and you get placed against and with better people. If you lose your rating goes down and you get placed with worse people. This will naturally result in an approximately 50/50 win rate.

>>723712763
>you're just as likely to get Tyler 1 in your Iron 4 game as you are some Chinese man
Are you actually retarded? Or are you ignoring the fact that its trying to match you against players of the same fucking skill level. Only your starting matches are random as fuck, as soon as you get past something like 10 games on your account, the MMR system will put you in aprox your level of games. And since you seem to be a schizoid, its likely going to be fairly low mmr. So you don't have to worry about meeting Tyler 1 in any of your games anytime soon.

>>723713439
>its trying to match you against players of the same fucking skill level.
No it’s not

>>723712951
for lol every game is a stomp due to snowballing. in cs every game is a stomp due to cheaters
actually in most game there are lots of cheaters, mostly smurfs (which is also cheating btw). every person i know who plays league has multiple accounts

>>723713348
>It works literally by matching you against people with a similar skill level.
Not even close to true. This is a bot post.

>>723713516
>No it’s not
It literally is. The MMR system works that way by design. And unless you are in the top 0.1% or the bottom 0.1% it works fairly flawlessly.

>>723713527
>actually in most game there are lots of cheaters, mostly smurfs (which is also cheating btw). every person i know who plays league has multiple accounts
>source: it came to me in a dream

>>723713608
League does not have MMR outside of challenger.

>>723707114
Some do. It depends on the game.

>>723713659
It does, it just won't tell you buddy. Because your ego would get bruised if you saw it. All matchmaking works on a hidden MMR value. Sorry if I burst your bubble.

SBMM has always been commie bullshit that is designed to hand out wins like a bread line so that bad players/most players don't leave. It always punished not just pro gamers but anyone who plays to get better, turning it into a sterile inoffensive environment that you can only break through if you're a massively cracked up player that can dedicate themselves to the game full time

>win so often the game stops pitting me against good players completely and I spend every match in a team full of retards opposing other retards
>which leads to me winning even more
>forever trapped in this loop of playing what might as well be a single player game on easy mode

>>723713516
it matches you against people with the same hidden MMR number. if you win, your number goes up, if you lose it goes down. you get placed with people with a number close to yours. what do you think is the natural outcome of such a system? what would your winrate eventually become over time?

>>723713659
nigger there is a mmr in aram what are you talking about

>>723713368
This is not an argument, and is a bot post.

When a top .1% GM Smurfs in Chess, they can get GM in 2-3 6 hour sessions. Hikaru has done this multiple times. When the equivalent happens in a game with fake matchmaking, it takes weeks of 16 hours a day typically months.

As always with ranked MP it really shines a light on how delusional most players are.

Reminder to all of you, don't even bother trying to refute any of this because you're just feeding into your own delusions:
>unless you're in the top 1% of players you're not nearly as good at the game than you think you are
>if you're 'stuck' in a certain rank you very likely deserve to be there and need to actively improve to get out of it - no amount of 'me good, team bad' posting will change this
>forced 50% isn't real, the same players can consistently get to the highest ranks solo
>just because you played healer / support doesn't mean you are blameless for losing
>you never complain about easy wins, especially when you get carried by your team, why is that?

>>723713348
I agree that many games that have purely skill-based matchmaking have people incorrectly complaining about forced loss meme. However I wouldnt discount forced wins/losses entirely from all games. Like I said, I dont know if games do it, but if it increases player engagement I could see some scummy companies doing it. The other anon claimed in this very thread that LoL did it so blatantly that player rating tracking app could point those fights out so accurately that LoL devs hid player names from pre-fight matchmaking phase. Never played LoL though so I dont know if this is true or not.

>>723713804
This is a bot post, no human being actually argues that a legitimate game interested in fairly ranking opponents doesn’t have mmr publicly visible

>>723713658
source me nigger i'm a cheater with multiple banned smurfs

>>723713040
Yeah, one of my friends isn't nearly that bad but he's super quick to blame his team and it's hard to tell him that he's literally doing the same shit he's complaining about people in his MMR doing. Like we both play shooters and he complains he's the only one using utility and then I watch his ranked matches, stare at a full set of it nearly all game, and I have to regularly ask him for stuff to get him to actually use it when we play unranked together. I know lots of FPS games also have youtubers that just take delusional low MMR players and actually put them in a ten men for the rank they think they belong and nearly every time they get completely shit on and are clearly out of place unless they just haven't played ranked much and came from a different game.

>>723713804
>it’s TOTALLY REEEEEEEEL you just can’t see it
Lol. Lmao.

You deserve your early suicide. Vile and reprehensible faggots like you deserve misery.

>>723713821
Gee, I wonder why MMR in chess where games take a few minutes normalizes faster than MMR in a game where the fastest games are 25minutes.
Are you actually retarded?

>>723713837
>>if you're 'stuck' in a certain rank you very likely deserve to be there and need to actively improve to get out of it - no amount of 'me good, team bad' posting will change this
explain why on some accounts people reach higher ranks while others are bricked

>>723677937 (OP)
>team game
if you're not playing with a full stack then you're obviously not taking it seriously so why get upset

>>723714037
Gee, I wonder why you got game length confused with number of games. It’s almost like this is a bot.

>>723713821
you forgot the part where chess is 1v1
now imagine every piece and the pawn in front of it is controlled by a separate player

>>723714037
It also takes literally 1/10th the games

>>723714031
This is happening right now in BF6, a lot of new people complaining about losing matches after not going for objectives. So they end up with high KDA but really shit objective participation, which wins/loses the games.

Honestly, a lot more streamers should be showing off how out of place people who think they are better than they are actually would be in high ranks. I know that I played with folks 1-2 rank above me, and I had to pull out the best performance of my life to just be mediocre in those matches and not be an actual liability.

>>723713750
>It always punished not just pro gamers but anyone who plays to get better,
Massive cope. Pro players and people who genuinely want to get better like SBMM because they want tougher opponents. Games without it are piss easy in comparison because most of your matches will be average and below average players by default. There's a reason you hardly ever see genuinely great players grinding unranked modes in games that have ranked even when they have some loose SBMM. I stomped dedicated servers regularly and never improved so fast as when I played a game with ranked.

>>723713923
mmr is publicly visible, they just had to put a shiny graphic on it for any of you illiterate faggots to care about it. you wouldnt be rageposting here if it said you were "1200" but it says you're "silver" and now you're mad. addiction goal achieved

>>723713852
Yes. League of legends no longer lets you see who you’re playing with or who your opponents are until after drafting

>>723714312
>because they want tougher opponents
is that why win trading is rampant at the top of the ladder?

>>723714312
>Massive cope. Pro players and people who genuinely want to get better like SBMM because they want tougher opponents.
when did this place turn into reddit ?
People hate SBMM not because of the toughness of the opponents but because you're playing with monkeys.

>>723714338
>it’s hidden
>it’s visible
The bot is completely broken

>>723714312
>pro gamers
Literally the exact opposite, they duck competition all the fucking time.

>>723714035
unplug the carbon monoxide alarm in your house. you can't see carbon monoxide anyway, probably some bullshit made up by the government to keep those spying devices in your house.

>>723714231
>that number
>yes it came to me in a dream, how did you know
Ok buddy.
Hikaru is known for what, bullet and blitz? That is easily over 200 matches in 3x6h sessions. On the low end even. 200 league or dota matches is insane. Its literally playing the game as a job for nearly a whole month. And this was taking a 30 min average game. So in reality it would be more of a month+ to get the same # of games. Even if I am comparing the longer chess games vs the shorter moba games. Actually delusional.

>>723712832
>because more often I would encounter the opposite
>where the RNG was so hard baked that the % were not representative of your actual odds (think X com)
Oh, you're one of those retards on here who thinks XCOM is rigged. lmao, I shouldn't be surprised.

>>723714506
Now the pajeet is manually posting, instead of the usual chatGPT slop, you can see the shift in grammar.

>>723711521
You are still too hopeful for the humanity to trust that these drones are AI bots. Sadly I've talked with actual humans that think like that. People who are too much into the gaslighting that you will see a glimpse of a thought occurring when they see the facts, and they willfully choose to deny them. To them, the knowledge that the matchmaking is rigged to create anger addicts is the same as a flat earth conspiracy. They will deny it out of principle. To them, it's easier to call you a hardstuck than admit that they were being abused by Riot for the past 10 years. They do it out of pure defense mechanism.

Forced 50 is such a meme, you get what you fucking deserve for playing those games for a long time.
I believe more in simple math that will show you that the more you play the harder it is to gain or lose a % than in a magical matchmaking system that can read into peoples minds and can figure out that this one player will drop his spaghetti when matched to your team specifically (you're the center of the universe, matchmaking system knows that too)

>>723714420
>you're playing with monkeys.
Only if you are on the level of a monkey as well. The only time you can complain about monkeys in SBMM is when you are so good, that you literally can't find anyone as good as you, so the game just gives you the best player currently online. If Magnus would have to wait for a chess player of his MMR to play against, he would have to wait weeks and months, so they just throw the next best thing at him. So as long as you are not literally the best, you will get matched with the same monkeys that you represent.

>>723714529
>bot keeps repeating the dream line
LOL
>>723714591
I agree the braindead, psychologically damaged defenders exist but they are found seething in their own games trapped in the ranked maze. It’s really easy to identify bots, almost as easy as identifying your free wins and losses in league of legends (which is why they removed the ability to actually see who you’re fucking playing with)

>>723714430
dota and DEIlock work the same way and their number is visible. is your winrate not trending towards 50/50 there? online chess has the same system btw if you want to try your luck there and find out you get 50/50 there too eventually

WHAT
ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT A SYSTEM DESIGNED AROUND 1v1 MATCHMAKING IS BEING ABUSED AND HAMFISTED INTO A TEAM-BASED SETTING WHICH IT IS NOT FUNDAMENTALLY DESIGNED FOR AND THAT IT DOESN'T WORK?

OH WELL WHATEVER

>>723714554
Brother, I literally abused the fact its rigged in my favour. If you know the success and failure rolls, you can guarantee that your 5% missile hit chance will hit, and then waste the miss on a guaranteed hit like a grenade. If anything XCOM is literally the most retarded way to implement RNG into a game I have ever witnessed.

>>723714657
I elo boosted people in rocket league while playing against world champions on my main every 5 games, I reached yellow ranks in cs. I can complain nigger because it's rigged

>>723714732
>online chess had the same system
False

>>723714697
>bot keeps repeating the dream line
>waaah I got proven wrong, if I call him a bot surely that will invalidate his point and my ego will be unbruised
Oof, go cry about how you are unlucky a bit more. I bet if the evil MMR system would not hold you down, you would be playing with the pros!

>>723677937 (OP)
just stop playing
it's optimized to keep degenerate freaks addicted
if you're conscious enough to recognize the system, you're not supposed to play the game
try playing fighting games or RTS games instead if you enjoy competition
any game balanced around 50% win rates lacks competitive integrity
do not waste your time

>>723714554
The bot tried to reference a known rigged game

>>723714740
Prove it, nigga.

Please tell me you're not referring to the seed being the same when you savescum.

>>723714828
And here we see the seething manual posts instead of the chatGPT slop again
Perfect example of
>>723714697

>>723714739
In CS2 your personal skill is evaluated by the algorithm and you gain/lose MMR faster or slower. I'm talking like gainging 250 points per win and only losing 120~. Climbed extremely fast until I settled where I plateau'd in the high 20k ratings, and I'd rather take close to 50%WR at a high skill level than stomp on noobs or worse players. Comms are so much better and being able to rely on your teammate skills feels good, as well as knowing you're beating good opponents.

>>723714782
do you not trend towards 50/50 winrate in chess? if not, you should keep playing until you're playing with magnus then

>>723714771
>elo boosting in rocket league
You are literally too retarded to understand how MMR works so no wonder you still think its rigged. I am sorry, I hope you find the help you need.

>>723714265
> So they end up with high KDA but really shit objective participation, which wins/loses the games.
Never really got why people dodge it so hard. When I'm playing TF2 I usually just bumrush the objective so hard the team just loses if I get autobalanced and assigned to another one. The one man jihad experience is unmatched.

>>723714771
>I reached yellow ranks in cs
grats on having the ability to look up "free cs2 cheat" on google and installing some rat on your pc

>>723714884
Prove to me you’re human

>>723714926
Damn it really is only bots defending matchmaking, no human who has EVER played CS2 ever ever ever thinks it “gets better”. The trench never fucking ends

>>723677937 (OP)
just play fighting or any 1v1 games? it's purely your skill can't blame teammates there

>>723714962
Rocket league is notorious for elo boosting

>>723710887
same with the valve's game
they hid all stats so you can't see shit, every game was predetermined

>>723714926
>Comms are so much better and being able to rely on your teammate skills feels good
Amazon review tier bot post

>>723715105
???
My only gripe with CS2 is that towards the tail end of the ladder you get a guaranteed cheater in either team and that's when you swap to paid services like faceit. But learning the game and soloqueing will easily last a thousand hours minimum until you can catch up to the rest of the playerbase.
Point being is that the system works if you're open to learn a game with people around your skill level. You obviously never played quake 3 duels or the like where you get raped 30 frags to -1 (killed yourself with rockets due to pressure) and had no clue what you did wrong in losing map control.
I'm not a RTS guy and even I enjoyed playing SC2 due to its MM where I could be a shitter as much as I wanted.

>be me poopsocking teen dreaming of esports
>try my dick off for years
>fast forward now
>working adult
>want to fuck arround on aram casually
>matching against top region players in fucking aram
>turbo tryhards with aram only accounts
and thats why i quit league forever

>>723714926
Valve has done a lot of studying on matchmaking so I imagine the system below the hood is quite complex.

>>723684573
The point is that the system doesn't find you a place, it puts you in one you don't belong in and traps you there.

When your winrates rise because you're better than the average of that bracket and your metrics increase, the system sees that and tries to "balance" your team by taking players from beneath your bracket to put on your team.

The dead weight will always be mathematically heavier than you can carry, because it is designed that way on purpose to ensure you lose and regress back to 50. Climbing is this only possible on a smurf, where the system has not yet placed you, or if it has placed you in a bracket so far below your actual skill that going 1v5 and solocarrying is still viable.

The system is invisible to people in their correct bracket, because they don't need to be dragged down by dead weight teammates. It's only when you find yourself misplaced, feeling a Sisyphean sense of stalled progression as your vacillate between wins that become progressively easier as you surpass the average, and losses that are impossible to affect, because the well of shit players is infinitely deep and infinitely shit.

>>723714993
where is the vac ban fat fuck

>>723688626
Stop noticing!

>>723715174
Crying that your opponent's character is broken doesn't have the same thrill and complexity as coping that an entire MM system is rigged against you to keep you in bronze.

The matchmaking system is designed with a consequence already in mind: You will go to 50/50, that's the point.

Now, if it's a 1v1, it's perfect as the rating system is designed around very few variables and can comfortably calculate your rating against the enemy rating as there's no separate team rating.

However, in a team setting the system gets a bit fucky wucky as it now has to juggle all the ratings of every individual player alongside the team ratings, as in, their aggregate. Not only that, people hate waiting in queue, so they have to widen the gap as the queue time grows longer.

The only real way to play a team game is to have a set team of friends that you always play with, if you play a 5v5 game with randoms, you are literally asking to be fucked by the system because it's designed to do that.

>>723715370
>>723715405
I want to add, specifically with valve games. The data they track is pretty insane. They have every shred of data being collected.

Yet CS and Dota have really really horrible smurfing problems. Why is that? It’s really really really easy to identify a Smurf off of stats alone. Valve gives some lip service about fighting against smurfs but the real truth is match making scam games love smurfs. Smurfs (and cheaters) are an extremely useful tool in matchmaking to help equalize W/L. Timmy McTilter going on a rage streak and needs his win? Give him some Smurfs. Johnny gamer dad plays his one daily game but won yesterday? Give him Timmy mctilter on the loss streak and place him against Smurfs.

It’s why these games repeatedly have smurfing, cheating, and win trading problems. The system LOVES cheating.

>>723715654
>Dota have really really horrible smurfing problems
Since when? Last time I played dota I went for months without seeing a single smurf in my MMR (high legend, low ancient). All EU regions. Are you sure its not one of those self reported "everyone who is better than me is a smurf" things?

>>723709825
kek it's always the 50% win rate 1,000 games played plat 4 pisslows telling pro players with 10x more experience and 100x more skill to "stop complaining" and "just get good" when they notice a blatant discrepancy in player skill per match
the fact that MMR is hidden tells you everything you need to know
the fact that LP gains differ based on the discrepancy between your visual rank and your MMR tells you directly that players of different skill levels can be at the same rank
no point in taking this shit seriously
just play for fun, experiment with different philosophies, playstyles, champions
do not invest your life into these games

>we're down like 10 kills
>0/9/10 support(me) and something like 0/12/2 AD carry
>team considers forfeiting
>it doesn't go through
>we somehow make a come back
>we win
i love this game sometimes

>>723715816
Is this a bot? Who denies smurfing in dota 2? Certainly not valve because they have had multiple ban waves, they’ve banned over 150k accounts for smurfing. Is 150k accounts a small amount to you?

>>723715816
>Water falls from the sky
>Water? Falling from the sky? Insane, I was just outside and there was no water at all!

>>723709825
You know shit is a scam when top 1% players take literal months to do bronze to Diamond/master/whatever the fuck style challenges. When you extend this to any other form of competition it’s hilarious. Imagine a sprinter running a sub 10 but first he needs to run 30 middle school track meets before he’s “properly ranked”

>>723687723
Then download fighting games at this point. Or play fortnite solo ranked. Yeah, don't get me wrong some fuckery stupid shit can still happen like getting third partied.
But I was able to reach a pretty high level with building my own skills on solo.

Online fighting games are the best way to go ( Obviously with good net code) You don't have to worry about anybody holding you back its solo and all on you.
But even then you're still screwed because you'll run into some insane autistic mother effer that put ten thousand hours into a character that you will have to fight eventually.

>>723716381
Bro I'm sorry but before your MMA debut you're going to have to beat up children for a few months.

>>723677937 (OP)
if you git gud you can increase your win pc

>>723715030
>No proof
Yeah, that's what I thought, retard.

>>723716753
>gif
>filename
Proof of a bot

https://x.com/Elolesio_/status/1979997355127562426
https://x.com/bonevoid/status/1979763918022250665

>>723716381
>Imagine a sprinter running a sub 10 but first he needs to run 30 middle school track meets before he’s “properly ranked”
Did you purposefully pick a terrible analogy?

play for cs per minute
the only metric you should care about while playing league is sustaining the highest creep score per minute value possible
that stat alone will boost your mmr to such an extent that the game will give you free wins until you hit diamond
trust me on this

I remember one guy testing theory of Eli hell. He would pick people out of his subscribers that believe that matchmaking intentionally kept them in lower ranks using forced 50/50. So he gave them higher rank accounts that they believed they belonged to. They almost always fed and didn’t do as well as they thought

>>723716959
The bot is just broken at this point, no adult is running middle school track meets.

>>723677937 (OP)
50/50 win rate is the system working. You are being matched with players of equal skill. Is complaining about it a meme, or are you legitimately this retarded?

>>723717334
>They almost always fed and didn’t do as well as they thought
Designated loss, bro, nothing they could do.

>>723716959
>All athletes who have met the Automatic standards will be qualified for the 2024 US Olympic Team Trials, regardless of field size.
If you run a sub ten they aren’t going to say wait a moment fella where’s you’re high school results

>>723716381
> top 1% players take literal months to do bronze to Diamond/master
Wait a second, according to 50/50 proponents it’s literally impossible to go from bronze to masters because system will keep them in bronze

>>723717852
But they don’t, quite literally the post you quoted say the opposite

50/50 as ledditors call it (dota 2 general called it the shadow pool 9 years ago) is not real. i know from 15 years of experience how to crack metas. i know a meta in dota that is a total secret and is worth millions in dota and no one knows it. i swear on my life. i cant say it though...

>>723717395
2/10. Work on your bait.

>Light up a doobie and do some role queue in dota
>If I get carried by team then cool
>If I don't then I'll just a-move at the enemy tower and alt-tab until the next game
Not my problem

>>723717918
> But they don’t
Literally not a single pro failed bronze-to-masters challenge

>>723717651
Yes, anon, I know. My point is it's not a direct competition where your skill is measured based on your opponents. Dropping 50 kills against silvers doesn't instantly prove you're a top level player the way that you can prove you're a great sprinter while nobody else is running. A better analogy would be like football, chess, anything where the players you're up against have an impact on how impressive your stats are.

>>723678065
I don't care about the losses, when I see three mouthbreathers on my team I just get an excuse to play like a maniac, I got a license to play for clips and not for wins when win is not on the table in the first place.
Forced wins are much worse, you get no challenge and no satisfaction stomping those poor sods, and the match ends in 2 minutes in a knockout. Fuck that. I want my opponent to resist.

funny how actually good players never fell into 50/50 and only bad players fall for it.
Curious isn't it

>>723718426
>football
The eagles won the Super Bowl last year with an offensive lineman who didn’t play American football as a kid he came from rugby. You used a horrible example. The best kicker in football right now played soccer as a youth, in college, and professionally.
Real competition doesn’t have the scam of needing endless shit games to “identify” if someone is skilled. It’s immediately obvious.

>>723689645
>There are fags here still shilling their shitty MOBA matchmaking system through greentexting on a discussion board

>>723718385
No one said that did, bot. They are saying the bronze to pro challenge shows how rigged the system is. The fact it takes pros literally hundreds of games shows it’s a scam
See
>>723716381

>>723718827
Sorry 300lb new zealander we just aren’t sure if you’re good enough we need to see you play peewee ball for an entire season then you’ll get moved up into JV bracket then after a season of that it’s varsity

>>723699749
This

i feel like moba players would be a lot happier if they played fighting games instead since it's sort of the same thing but you don't have to deal with teammates, so that every failure and success is fully owned by you

>>723718426
Alex pereira is currently a ufc belt holder he didn’t do mma until wait later in his career. MMA in general kind of btfos your gay ranked scam system since there’s so many champions like this that just kind of show up from some other discipline and dominate.

>>723719269
No, they wouldn't. They'd just find other things to cry about.

>>723719269
I went from leage of troons to street fighter 5 to third strike on fightcade and straftat. Yes, you are correct, not only does league have shit matchmaking but the literal assembly line job gameplay of minion farming.

>>723677937 (OP)
why do you care about winning?

>>723718827
>>723719497
>as a kid he came from rugby
>played soccer as a youth, in college, and professionally.
>just kind of show up from some other discipline
So your examples are people who were already provably great at similar things before they were picked up to show why competitive games are a sham for needing you to prove that a random nameless account is good? If you're a pro in CS then you can get on a Valorant team real quick too if that's the route you wanna go. It's kind of amazing that you really don't understand the flaw in your logic but this board only gets more bafflingly retarded every day. Also ignoring the fact that people literally speedrun getting top 500 from the bottom rank in games like Valorant in just a couple days.

>>723678065
the best dota players that play competitively in well known e-sports teams have like 60% winrate on their accounts

>>723720497
And they also play against the best players in the world.

>>723677937 (OP)
whats the psychology behind faggots who defend the matchmaking algorithm for a decade+

Sunk cost fallacy? They just spent years grinding accounts so now they feel a need to defend it?

>>723705484
>here are "agents" the matchmaking algo is reserving specifically to fuck THEM over
there are but why are you even bothering with a matchmaking braindead game anymore.

>>723688271
it sounds like the match-maker in your game is extremely oversensitive (recency bias) so after you get destroyed in a match your rating drops massively. it overcorrects. the system is too sensitive so your rating over- and undershoots the value it should settle on.

I've experienced some of this in Quake Champions although the swings tend to last several matches at a time, not instant back and forths. whenever I play well the game will start to put worse and worse players in my own team to nerf me, until the point where I get total retard teammates every single match for like 4 matches. these matches are forced losses effectively, and they will slowly drop my hidden elo until I can finally get sentient teammates again. note that the opponents throughout all this will be basically random. there is no pattern of meeting stronger opponents as you keep winning. only worse teammates. most likely this is because the playerbase is tiny so they simply don't have enough high skill opponents to stack an enemy team against me. stacking my own team against me is the only way they can create a """fair""" lobby.
except the math to calculate what will make fair teams is wrong. that's the main flaw in the system. somehow it's adding up skill values of team members in a way that assumes a smooth curve of outcomes (slightly worse player = slightly worse team result) when the reality is there are harsh dropoff points in the curve (slightly worse player = catastrophic breakdown of team result).

these are just two of the examples how MM systems can go wrong. I genuinely believe most developers are TRYING to create fairness in their MM algorithms, they just aren't very good at it. and the games industry isn't known for maintaining and growing its know-how. every multiplayer studio is going through the same growing pains and repeating mistakes someone else already made a decade ago.

>>723719997
There is no flaw in “my” logic, because it’s the logic the real world uses.

They did not participate in their sport. They tried out for a new sport. Because they were good, they were allowed to compete in the highest levels of the new sport, immediately.

By your Skinner box scam ranked matchmaking logic, this is impossible and all of them should have been forced to play hundreds of games starting at the pre school level and working though every single bracket before being placed at their correct level. The ranked grind is not real. It’s a psychological trap akin to slot machines

>>723677937 (OP)
This is literally just skill based match making.
There is no conspiracy against you, you win and lose 50% of the time because you're against peers that are just as good as you are.
This idea that one decent player is going to get fucked over royally by having an entire team of shitters drafted up from the minor league paired with them so they lose a game, is retarded.
It relies on a type of idiocy where the poster thinks they're the protagonist of the algorithm and the reality that any match of that sort would discourage more players than it would 'addict' is ignored. All those bad players you think are getting handpicked to make you lose each matter as much as you do, and the game forcing them to lose would cost more players than it would retain.

>>723719997
What the fuck is this not going on about? Even Smurfs typically get placed on gold or some shit. In real life a “smurf” can walk onto a field tryout and immediately make the team if they can prove they belong

>>723721569
>chatGPT slop
>filename
Checks out

>>723718827
>The eagles won the Super Bowl last year with an offensive lineman who didn’t play American football as a kid he came from rugby
So the guy spent grinding for YEARS in rugby and only then got into Super Bowl? And this is example of "real games don't need matchmaking". Btw, American football and rugby are literally same game

>>723678157
You are not so special that the algorithm will 'choose' to risk an entire team -1 player's retention rate, in order to keep on player at 50% W/L.
All those teammates have equal value that you do, therefore this obviously would never happen. Because the chance of them dropping the game would be too high vs the chance that you hang on for a salty runback.

>>723712951
So tl;dr you just suck ass at video games and being so bad at vidya has driven you into a full blown schizophrenic psychosis.

>>723721569
>This idea that one decent player is going to get fucked over royally by having an entire team of shitters drafted up from the minor league paired with them so they lose a game
That is explicitly how league of legends functioned. And they removed the ability to see the players on your team precisely because it was so obvious people would dodge instantly

>>723721715
>chatGPT
>filename
Checks out

>>723721782
Post any documentation of that.
>>723721661
Neck yourself, you illiterate.

>>723721686
What the fuck is this bot even trying to say?

When he switched from rugby to football he didn’t get placed at 0 like if you went from dota to league

>>723677937 (OP)
>the system made me lose
ok buddy

>>723720497
No shit, they're playing against similar tier experts, and being 10% better than the competition is extremely difficult at the highest levels.

>>723721482
>They did not participate in their sport. They tried out for a new sport. Because they were good, they were allowed to compete in the highest levels of the new sport, immediately.
Yeah and if you're a pro in CS then a Valorant team will happily let you try out and sign you. Like I just said.

>>723721889
>post documentation of something that doesn’t exist
What is this bot doing? They removed the feature I cannot log in and show it. The burden of proof is on you, if you want to say league let’s you preview your team mates then show it

>>723721918
rugby and football are identical games, his job is identical to what he was doing for all those years, no need to learn anything new. In other words, they guy grinded FOR FUCKING YEARS until he got into masters is fun and balanced, grinding for a month? TOOOOOOOO LONG

>>723721569
>This idea that one decent player is going to get fucked over royally by having an entire team of shitters drafted up from the minor league paired with them so they lose a game, is retarded.
what if the other team is also constructed similarly? what if there are few good players playing so to find a match for them it has to put them in teams that overall have a low skill?

>All those bad players you think are getting handpicked to make you lose each matter as much as you do, and the game forcing them to lose would cost more players than it would retain.
those bad players can still get some kills against the bad players on the other team. and the alternative is what, that the good players sit in queue for 20 minutes not finding a match?

>>723715405
You aren't special, it isn't trapping you anywhere, you're just not as good as you think you are.

>>723722051
>try out and sign you
According to you, this is impossible. The only way to determine how good someone is through hundreds of games of scam matchmaking

I've noticed the anti-SBMM schizophrenia and general retardation only gets worse as these threads go on and their delusions are challenged.

>>723722129
>rugby and football are identical games
Lol
>his job is identical
Lol
>no need to learn anything new
Lol
>he grinded for fucking years
In a different game
>until he got into masters
He never got to masters in rugby after grinding for years

But it took him literally one day of tryouts to make masters in the NFL

That’s the thing anon, you are completely BTFO here. He made masters in the NFL in one fucking weekend.

>>723722104
Post documentation of this happening before the numbers got hidden. >>723722130
Unless you're in the top 1% globally, you're never going to have a dearth of match making partners in most of the games being talked about in the thread.
But the scenario you proposed is massively different from the one mentioned in the thread elsewhere. That one player of a certain skill level would be matched with a team of players of a lower skill level, and set against a proper team of equal or greater skill level, so that they'd be forced to lose.

>>723722320
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IT'S IMPOSSIBLE THAT I'M A SHITTER TE SYSTEM IS RIGGED, RIIIIIIIGGED

>>723722129
If you play dota 2 for 5000000 hours and are top .1% and boot up league of legends you are not immediately placed into the top .1% you have to do your placements and go through the whole song and dance

>>723722389
>before the numbers for hidden
So you’re agreeing, yes league of legends does not let you preview team mates.

They had to remove the feature after people correctly identified when you were being handed your free losses

>>723699474
This is saying that the game doesn't want you to lose.

>>723722550
Post any evidence of your second claim.

>>723722550
most competitive games stopped showing the ranks of team mates, because retards like you would throw immediately

>>723722129
>rugby and football are identical games
Then how come every rugby player doesn’t jump ship? His signing bonus alone is roughly 20 times larger than the biggest rugby contract

>>723721698
the algorithm is trying to create matches with 50% win chance for either team.
the outcome is everyone has about a 50% win rate, even while ascending or descending in rating.
also forced losses are real and happen not because the game "wants" one team or player to lose but because it simply fails to construct a more fair match. example in Quake Champions that I see all the time:

in a TDM (4v4) there are 3 good players and 5 bad players. what is the algorithm to do? it must construct one team with 2 good players, leaving the other team with only 1 good player and 3 noobs. this is the "fairest" way to assemble the teams, but almost always the latter team will lose. QC is a game where a small disparity in skill makes for a big swing in the outcome. so when you have 2 good players farming 3 bad players they run up a big scoreline and there's nothing the 1 good player on the other team can do, trying to farm 2 bad players. it's a FORCED LOSS, predetermined at the time of constructing those teams. and not because the devs are evil but because they have no better solution.

Didn't Riot have an actual patent for their engagment based matchmaking that puts this gay bullshit to rest?
Regardless even streamers who hit challenger every season know about win/loss queue and will make entirely new accounts if they suspect they are in loss queue since that is how you get 50/50'd.

>>723688271
The worst are those loses when your team tosses in the later half of the match, like what the actual fuck would anyone play these games for. It’s why I switched back to just playing casual Call of Duty, DoD and old school lobby games. I might install MCC later tonight. Games that don’t require commitment and you can just have fun playing something entertaining is way better enjoyment. These 50/50 hour long games are bad for peoples’ mental health. I swear overwatch and quake champions are just bots at this point. And the rate of how many uncommunicative antisocial players there are on Dota 2 makes me think they are bots too. I miss when games had real chats and communications. I miss teamspeak and ventrillo, discord is a disgrace.

>>723722649
Why else would it be removed? Youre seeing a knife with the suspects finger prints on it and the victim’s blood on it, found buried under his yard and asking why would he bury it?

>>723684189
Sometimes theres genuinely retarded teammates, i dont care much for pure stats as those are not as important as plays
But if a Black Panther has more deaths than kills then hes doing his job wrong
At least Captain America can protect others when hes not busy harassing healers.

>>723722183
>The only way to determine how good someone is through hundreds of games of scam matchmaking
How many matches do you think a pro CS player has played? I'll give you a hint, it's a lot more than hundreds.

>>723677937 (OP)
>random shitter hardstuck in silver 3 for 500 games
>hires booster to play on his account
>booster instantly shoots up to diamond with a 90% winrate
explain

>>723722681
Most competitive games are Skinner box fake games, yes. Actually competitive games doesn’t hide this

Crying about SBMM is gaming midwit thing, literally. People around top 40-50% players (slightly above average) feel like they deserve to win a lot while in reality there is bigger fish (half of playerbase of bigger fish).
Bonus points for trying to smurf and bitching about everyone being smurf too. Not really, you're just, well, average so even average noobs are comparible.
Even in 5x5 team game being like 200 elo (roughly full division) above lobby average is enough to feel like fucking superman free to molest any enemy player whenever you want.

>>723678157
I still play World of Tanks and the best players that aren't seal clubbers are able to keep well above 60% win rate, with the understanding that that around 40% are guaranteed loses or wins with the rest being up to your effectiveness.
But then I look at League or similar and there seems to somehow be a forced 50/50 despite smaller teams and you having way more control over a match. Why is that?

>>723723012
Uh....Riot recognizes boosters and purposefully flags the account to let them pass because um...retention or something

>>723723012
>90% winrate
Even top .01% pros don’t even get close to this it usually tops at around 62%

>>723722957
>Why else would it be removed?
Probably because they don't want retards constantly cancelling queues whenever they see somebody lost a couple games recently?

>>723690361
It really is insane how many people on /v/ like competitive games and then absolutely refuse to do anything that would make them more competitive, like the minimum of communicating with others.

>>723722389
>Unless you're in the top 1% globally, you're never going to have a dearth of match making partners in most of the games being talked about in the thread.
you drastically overestimate the real moment to moment player count of "big" multiplayer games outside of peak times. especially considering the rarity of better players. it's NOT the top 1% globally that is rare. even a top 25% player skill-wise is rare because players are distributed in a gauss curve. the top 30% of players distributed over many "buckets" of wildly varying skill level. it's not a foregone conclusion that even a big game will find enough players of very similar skill level at any given time.

>That one player of a certain skill level would be matched with a team of players of a lower skill level, and set against a proper team of equal or greater skill level, so that they'd be forced to lose.
see
>>723722898

>>723723060
>Crying about SBMM is gaming midwit thing, literally
That might be generous. These niggas sound retarded and genuinely mentally ill.

>>723723012
its called winners queue
you hit such an absurd internal algorithm value that the game assumes you are a smurf and gives you insane ELO boosts while giving you easier matches. Streamers abuse it all the time to get a fresh account to diamond.

>>723723207
Retards? I mean yes that does encapsulate all the subhuman cattle still trapped in the maze but I wouldn’t call your own top 1% retards.

>>723723208
>It really is insane how many people on /v/ like competitive games
They don't like competitive games. They like the dopamine hit they get from winning and getting new pngs at best. Which is why they get all schizo and delusional when they eat shit and can't keep climbing.

>>723723317
The funny part about you “SBMM” schizos is how every single narrative flops massively. No normal person plays ranked slop.

>>723722389
>>723723227
p.s. the second big point I forgot to mention was ping. most players will have more fun in a match with somewhat even pings than in a match with slightly more even ranks but bad or unequal pings. high pingers need to be segregated away from low pingers and that decimates the effective pool the MM has to pick from. another factor that makes big multiplayer games feel like small villages in practice.

>>723723484
You can climb forever though, tyler1 hit masters with a sub 51% winrate you just need to play a lot which is the goal. Engagement, not actually fair matchmaking

>>723713821
Chess is 1v1.
No one can make you lose a chess game with a fuck up, other than yourself.
Any team game is going to be much slower because the algorithm has to handle the complexities of you losing coming down to a multitude of factors.

>>723723502
Heh those schizos call out how ranked match making is a scam designed to waste your time
>spends 8 hours raging like a faggot over fake match making

>>723723317
MOBAs, small team based games with relatively low execution factor (unlike, say, shooters) are notoriosly hard to carry solo. I kinda feel for poor sods. The very genre premise is pushing them toward that behavior in a way.

>>723723710
Hey ranjesh mind typing me an actual post instead of ai slop

Anecdotally, in my lifetime I’ve seen more people ruin their lives playing league of legends and dota than alcoholism

>>723722957
I don't have to prove a negative, you have to prove your claim rather than relying on conjecture.

>>723677937 (OP)
SBMM is what causes forced 50/50s to start with. What we need is online lobbies back, with human, community mods that can ban cheaters on sight.

>>723723752
I honestly do wonder if maybe MOBAs are just uniquely terrible and I genuinely just don't get it because I don't play them. League definitely seems to be the main game getting bitched about. Though, as you said, I do think it likely says more about the game itself than the MM.

>>723723809
When was the last time you read anything printed on paper?

>>723723902
See this is what I’m saying your shit is all mixed up. You’re the one telling me to prove a negative.

I found the knife under the suspect’s yard. The suspect owed the victim money. The knife had the victim’s blood on it. There is video evidence of the suspect purchasing the knife then going to the scene of the crime. You’re asking me to prove the suspect buried the knife under his yard.

So I ask you, well who the fuck put it there then? Why is it there? Why did league of legends remove team preview?

>>723724109
>So I ask you, well who the fuck put it there then? Why is it there?
You put it there to frame him

>>723724109
You saw that Riot did one thing to reduce people quick disconnecting the second they saw that any teammate they had (other than themselves) wasn't on a winning streak.
And then you rely on that one event to fabricate evidence that you don't have, about proof of a hostile algorithm that specifically aims to pair good players up with full teams of bad ones, in order to keep that good player down.
The issue is that you have nothing for the latter, but then simply are unable to comprehend that, because you have the former which doesn't actually provide any evidence for it.

>>723724305
>your honor
>all this dna evidence was fabricated by the prosecution

>>723724039
MOBAs are pretty nice, I had lots of fun playing many on diffirent comp levels. They push you toward despair, but becoming a bitch is your choice in the end.
I believe that's just other side of coin that made genre popular: people hated intensity of 1v1 warcraft and loved casual low-micro 5x5 because it made losing less personal.
Well, winning became less personal too. If you hate that just play something else, lol.

>>723724386
Why did they remove team preview anon?

>>723724619
Will you provide any evidence for your substantive claim?

SBMM is gay but games trying to pass of bots as real players is worse and wastes everyone's time

>>723724386
>people quick disconnecting
This is why chatGPT just doesn’t work in arguments. It kind of glides past the massive elephant in the room. Why would people quickly disconnect if disconnecting leads to a loss? It’s because people correctly identified the ordained losses so the high EV play is to get into another game.

>>723724692
I did. They had to remove the ability to see your opponent and team mates because dodging was so effective.

>>723684573
nah if you are good you should win more. Otherwise you wouldn't rank up. It's forced

>>723724726
The two go hand in hand anon

>>723721853
Meds, schizo

>>723678268
>>well the top 0.5% of players can get slightly above 50% so there's no forced 50% winrate!
Yes that is literally correct. If a number of players are able to win at much higher rates than 50% then that means there is no forced 50% win rate. The fact that a significant majority of players win around 50% of games with a few higher and a few lower is not remarkable, it's called a normal distribution.

>>723725387
>much higher rates
It’s not though it’s like 52%

>>723678065
The end goal of elo systems is to eventually put you into 50-50 matchups.

The problem is most players don't have the competitive personality to enjoy it.

>>723678157
if you've hit your "50/50" match, you are the carry, it is your test game. if you lose, you failed the test

>>723724762
Because the games are too long for them to want to spend the time actually losing and because of excessive solipsism, their own losses don't count, but other players' do.
>>723724846
You haven't demonstrated that.
Here's your logic:
>Company has an algorithm that pairs worse players with good ones to force good players to lose to keep them addicted
>players are able to suss this out and disconnect every time they see that they're with players they think aren't good enough
>Company stops this by blocking players from seeing teammate stats before starting a match in order to force their addiction cycle

The issue with this logic is that it relies on premise A being true, and not it being delusion.
It also relies on the problem the Company had with B being the players not getting addicted by not engaging in the win/loss cycle. And not this rapidfire disconnecting and reconnecting causing big issues with the match making queue system or reduced player retention in general because earnest players would constantly see their teammates disconnect because they were trying to farm algorithm RNG and they'd never get a chance to actually play normally.
It also relies on C providing evidence in reverse for the first two premises, when it doesn't. There is no "this could only be caused by one source, therefore its evidence for that source". I can look outside my window and see the leaves on the trees nearby are shaking. I know I'm not in an earthquake, I know that there's no powerlifter shaking the tree, so I can deduce that it is windy from that. Nothing else would make a tree's leaves move around like that. This doesn't work for your claim because there are multiple other potential causes for premise C.

You have no evidence for Premise A or B, but are relying on C to do all your heavy lifting and requiring me to prove your two unsupported claims false.

>>723725578
ChatGPT got raped.

Riot removed team preview function because people dodged ordained losses with tremendous accuracy

>>723678157
You were supposed to carry. It's an unironic skill issue that you couldn't. Sorry you didn't have the ability to rise to the occasion.

>>723678157
I don't really worry about it. I can only do my best in any given game, and if my team mates are fucking trash, that's not on me. My stats are great in every game, even when I lose, so I can rest easy knowing that it's simply not my fault, and I don't worry about things outside of my control.

>>723690142
>Pack is as fast as it's slowest member.
an ever rotating team of 5 is not a fucking pack.

>>723725987
It is if you’re chatGPT

>>723687560
Jokes on you, I don't. Stopped playing matchmade games completely. I can and will speak out against this degenerate shit anyway.

>>723725981
> My stats are great in every game, even when I lose
lol, keep telling yourself that

>>723726341
My record speaks for itself, shitter. I haven't had below an 8:1 kdr since 2016

>>723725660
Games are increasingly designed so one person can't carry, anymore. I guess someone involved in the process decided that rewarding skill too heavily is problematic.

>>723726742
Its called play literally any 1v1 game. Like fighting games or rts

>>723678207
Pros are the ones bitching about the most about Eomm because even when they pop off and almost solo carry they still get horrible loss streaks with randos. They almost always play with stacks, when they don't it's always a coinflip. I know an eternity BP smurf complaining that while he was smurfing in plat he got all gold/plat players on his team and 3 eternity smurfs on the enemy team. The point is that the system knows your real rank and can and will give you either unwinnable odds or ez stomps where the enemy team can't even leave spawn. It's way worse than overwatch, way worse

>>723726638
>heh, I’m play extremely safe every game, only joining fights that we’re guaranteed to win, make no risky place and oops…we lost another game, fucking team

>>723727782
In a moba kda can be pretty meme but in any shooter the myth of kda fags being low impact is utterly retarded unless it’s blatant like in battlefield going 16-0 is infinitely more shit and useless than 62-12

I thought the new meta isn't "forced 50" but quitting the game for periods of time lowers your MMR to encourage you to continue to play more. People play more when they winstreak, so when you stop playing for a week, they increase your likelihood to win.

There's also the theory that buying cosmetics in f2p games will lower the MMR of your opponents so you can feel like you're winning because you bought a new skin. There's also just how they rig checkpoints to make you play more. You win a game, end up at 99 LP one point off from a promotion and the checkpoint where you don't get demoted unless you're at 0 points. So they put you at 1 point away, you feel the need to play another game to hit the threshold, but they jack up the MMR of the next lobby so you lose and queue up for 2-3 more games.

tl;dr - Engagement Optimized Match Making is replacing SBMM because keeping you online to spend money is more important than any measurement of skill.

>>723677937 (OP)
I just miss the days of games like Left 4 Dead 2 where you just hop into a match and play. None of this matchmaking ranked ladder 50/50 bullshit designed to suck all the fun out of the game and make it feel more miserable than your goddamn job.

>>723728672
>There's also the theory that buying cosmetics in f2p games will lower the MMR of your opponents so you can feel like you're winning because you bought a new skin.
That’s not a theory that’s a patent owned by activision

why do jews shill this system every time, literally there are archives of these past threads and all of them have the same responses for defending this jewish system

>>723728672
This should all be illegal. Why isn’t this illegal?

>>723678224
most private servers suck and are gay as shit. Either has annoying rulesets or restrictions with mods will gladly issue bans without warning.
For the record im a zoomer whos played on modern private servers so im willing to believe they weren't always like that

>>723728672
https://web.cs.ucla.edu/~yzsun/papers/WWW17Chen_EOMM

it's real lol

>>723729574
Because it makes money

I want to point out despite the industry exploding franchises like call of duty never had lower concurrent players. They could never come close to matching shit like MW2 in the 360 era. The matchmaking isn’t designed to maximize players but trap the whales

>>723729574
>why do companies want you to be trapped in the maze of their game where the more time you spend on it, the more likely you are to buy microtransactions?

It's a complete and total mystery, anon. They are farming you for engagement. It's why every phone game has a "daily login reward"

>>723678207
>THE BEST PLAYERS THAT EVER EXISTED GET A WINRATE OF 70%
>JUST PLAY BETTER SO YOU CAN LOSE SLIGHTLY LESS
Retard.

>>723682378
Would be true if population across all skill levels remained constant, but top players get matched with shitters (compared to them) so they carry
It's just a queue times thint

>>723731017
being 10% or 20% above a "forced 50" is a sign of your skill. No one would look at that and see that as a bad thing.

After reading this I did play match of D*adlock and had good time (highest net in the lobby).

Skill based matchmaking is going to look like nothing once multiplayer matches get secretly filled with bots with good AI that throttle their behavior in order to tilt victory in a way that will increase player retention the same way sbmm seeks to do

>>723683653
Probably from irons?
What about iron iv players who still have 25% winrate? Asking for a friend

The industry is already at skill based damage and aim resist, but you guys arent ready for that yet

>>723684189
They're also the common factor in all their good games, what's your point?

You're an idiot if you try to have fair games in Marvel Rivals.

>>723678157
Nah, it's just a numbers game and you get fucked every once in a while due to it. Averages are extremely gay and most matchmaking uses them to "balance" skill levels when in reality it's like
>Team 1 skill level
100
100
80
80
60
>team 2 is
120
90
90
50
50
and then matchmaking says it's fine because the numbers are somewhat close, but then you're stuck with actual mouth breathing retards who don't even listen to voice chat or read text chat
and when you complain about it, some NIGGER online says you, the person who isn't being a mouth breathing retard, is the problem

>>723715816
bruh, last time i played i had some dude in my match saying he was throwing so he could climb the ladder for a youtube video
you literally just get dumped with retards and there's nothing you can do about it

>>723678065
Kinda hard when a team mate is purposely trying to make us lose

>>723733084
That's not the game "forcing you to lose" that's just one player being a dick. Even then, that's just one player. Stop being bad at the game and blaming your entire team for the simple fact that you fucking suck.

>bro forced 50 doesn't exist
>but it'd be a good thing if it did
>so what if it's real it doesn't matter
>its only done for games i dont like
>you're actually bad for noticing
>how dare you not want your entire gaming experience handheld by corporate entities just so ignorant niggers buy more lootboxes

>>723677937 (OP)
>anon's reposting to pasta
Stop wasting seed in order to get ahead in life btw.

>>723731890
You're also forgetting the fact that Team 1 in this example has probably spent much more money on the game than Team 2... that's the most relevant statistic to matchmaking. Try playing for free f you doubt me

>>723677937 (OP)
I'm just tired of being matched with teammates that don't communicate at all in ranked games. I'm almost convinced these people are bots. If they do exist they have to be the most bland, society conforming mother fuckers on the planet that are completely incapable of thinking for themselves.

>>723729786
>most private servers suck and are gay as shit.
says the aimbotting faggotroon pubstomping. All the soul that exists in fps games are found exclusively on private/dedicated servers, especially modded ones.

Back before Mordhau completely died, the modded aussie servers had euros, yanks and chinks from all over the world login to play on them, even with the dogshit ping, because they were one-of-a-kind passion projects and more fun than the base game.

They also had a jukebox where you could queue up youtube clips and force everyone to listen to your favourite meme songs. Glorious fun.