Thread 723728908

>>723728908 (OP)
Lotr is based on believing in yourself, he's been smoking dope with harflings for like decades at this point and isn't really feeling it

Power corrupts, anon

Gandalf in Battle for middle earth was broken as FUCK. There was basically no reason to use any other hero

>>723728908 (OP)
Wizards in LotR work in a
>Yeah, mana doesn't refill, ever. Have fun!
basis, so they can do less shit as time goes on

>>723729882
movie did them dirty desu. Merry especially is probably the only competent hobbit in the entire fellowship

His greatest power isn't physical might (although he's mighty) but spiritual, which is more subtle. Consider for instance when he told The Witch King couldn't enter Minas Tirith. And so The Witch King couldn't. Which is a more direct exercise of power than treading the needle in winning War of the Ring, which he however did also.

>>723729315
defending against orcs as my heroic oc in battle for middle earth was such fun in my childhood
most of the time i'm glad i'm not english but every now and then, i wish i was english so i could help them defend against orcs

>>723728908 (OP)
Yeah because when all the most powerful beings in the setting decided to directly interfere and beat the shit out of the big bad guy with their own hands it fucked the world up so much that for the planet's safety and the safety of all the people living in it they decided to never do that again.

>>723730086
>witch king
>there aren't any witches

was he a fraud?

>>723731109
Why didnt they just use their Valar magic to revive everything back?

>>723728908 (OP)
Me playing Overwatch with the lads on our weekly meet-up.

he shot a fucking laser at the Witch King

>>723731461
He is a witch. That's why they call him the Witch King.

>>723731486
They don't have that power.

>>723731486
Tolkien was a devout Catholic.
The Valar are a pantheon of demi-gods, to put it simply. They are more like tools of creation for Eru Iluvatar, the one supreme creator God, than creator themselves.

>>723731461
Well there were evil men and sorcerors I guess
The mmo had necromancers

>>723730086
His greatest power was bringing hope.
When the Nazgul spread unnatural terror across the city, the mere presence of Gandalf banished it

>>723731461
witch and wizard used to be interchangeable, Merlin was accused of being a 'witch' too

>>723733189
merlin was a rapist doe

>>723729898
Also making a magic weapon requires you to pour your power into it which is gone permanently.

>>723728908 (OP)
That's the wrong image.

>>723730071
I'm re-reading LotR currently
>Frodo
Decided to take the ring to Mordor. Made the right call to carry on alone (with Sam) when the fellowship had to split.
>Sam
Supported Frodo with the best of his abilities. Saved Frodo and carried him to the finish line.
>Pippin
He's the sole reason him and Merri survived the orcs and the Rohirrim (freed his hands, fooled the Mordor orc with the ring bait, cut their bindings).

Still got to read forwards, I always forget what Merri and Pippin did after they separated.

>>723729151
>anachronistic
It's fantasy. Please explain.

>one of the most powerful beings in middle earth
>can't do a single pull-up

>>723728908 (OP)
>party member is American and unable to understand power that isn't manifestly violent

>>723736723
Tobacco didn't exist in the mythological empty spot for England that Tolkien purportedly wrote Hobbit/LOTR as a fill-in for, so he invented pipe-weed as a fictitious plant that went extinct later because he was an avid smoker himself and imagined several characters as also being such.

>>723729151
Unironically this TCG was pure kino.

>recently read the hobbit for the first time
>don't remember a single mention of "the necromancer" despite seeing it mentioned in synopsis and comments online
the fuck?

>>723737492
Near the beginning they mention Thorin's father was captured by the necromancer and enslaved and maddened.

>>723731662
how does lotr get the best fantasy art ever? Fucking hell even this piece alone makes me want to make my own game just to capture the atmosphere presented here

>>723728908 (OP)
Gandalf is a Fighter with a few magic items pretending to be a Wizard.

>>723728908 (OP)
Because the Istari's purpose was never to fight battles FOR others. Gandalf basically inspires everyone and only handles things personally that are way beyond them, like the Balrog.

>>723737492
"The Necromancer" isn't used in it's modern meaning, in The Hobbit it refers to the shade of Suaron which I believe isn't referred to by name at all. The Necromancer in this context just means like, dark sorcerer as far as I can tell, he doesn't actually do any raising of the dead.

>>723730071
>Was the first to notice Bilbo disappearing, immediately became suspicious of him
>Conspired with all of Frodo's friends behind his back to assist him in leaving the Shire
>Was the first to discover the Ringwraiths in Bree
>Hit the Witch-King first to take down his magic shield so that Eowyn could KS him
Man, Merry really did carry the Fellowship on his back.

>>723729315
>Battle for middle earth
Damn, that was a good game now stuck in legal limbo over licensing. Great campaign, too.

>>723732302
>He is a witch
Male witch is called Hexer...

>>723738035
just pirate it. its your legal right to legally pirate a game/movie/show if its not longer for sale.

>>723734423
>which is gone permanently
On the other hand, that magic will now no longer degrade so you will remain at peak strength while others wane. Just don't lose it.

>>723729315
I like how the first game went full hands-on with everything they could lift from the movies while the sequel did its own thing and didn't take portraits or music.

>>723738034
Yeah, I'm not a Bombadilfag that thinks he should have been in the movie but Merry's introduction in the film did do him a disservice.

>>723737947
>Necromancer
>doesn't mance any necros
Tolkien is a hack

>>723737784
>entire moria part

>>723728908 (OP)
But can he sing as good as Saruman?

FINE, I'll rewatch director's cut again

>>723738379
He just talks to dead people. They don't talk back but he doesn't care.

>>723738749
I might as well.

>>723729151
Saruman would never smoke weed

>>723738932
only crack for the finest dark lord

>>723738932
>smokes an entire fucking forest
>won't smoke pipeweed
What the fuck was Saruman's problem?

>>723737189
do note that the canon rough period of time that LOTR takes place in is the neolithic era, which is significantly before humans discovered metallurgy or made the first wheel.

>>723737784
>be 40th level demi-spirit
>30th level
>take 10 levels in bard for basically shit 'n' giggles
>your boss asks you to join the campaign on the middle-earth server
> but as bard ONLY - no using active wizard feats or spells
>FUCKING B A L R O G The (almost) goodest boy of M O R G O T H pulls up with 10k mobs
>yfw

>>723739415
>Gandalf just floats into the shire instead of being on a wagon

>>723728908 (OP)
That's literally what he was commanded to do by God. learn the lore

>>723729315
I always used Theodan in BFME2 so I could spam cavalry and use Glorious Charge

>>723731486
>>723732439
To be fair they didnt help shape Arda. However I believe that, like Melkor, they poured much of the other own power into their labors. Its probably a big part of why they couldn't just fix everything whenever Melkor was in timeout.

>>723731486
Undoing things is generally hard or impossible in the middle earth setting. What's done is done, there's no healing spell or time rewind magic or what have you. Feanor couldn't make a second set of silmarils because he just couldn't.

>>723728908 (OP)
can any lord of the ring fags tell me why Gandalf couldn't just take the ring to mordor himself?

>Be Numenorean king
>grow old
>tall and dark advisor tells you to basically attack Heaven so that you can be there and live forever
>gets boats and travels to the heaven.
>rocks fall on you on the shore
>huh.jpg
>your kingdom then is sucked into the earths sea killing the entire population except for those who foresaw your retarded idea and escaped on ships
>the earth is now round
>mfw

What was Sauron's tax policy?

>>723728908 (OP)
Anon you're thinking of Tom Bombadil.
In the Hobbit Gandalf had to hide up a tree to get away from Wargs and Goblins and would've died if not for the Eagles.

>>723740776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Jjj6oI5fg

>>723740776
Because it would straight up corrupt him. Galadriel literally told Frodo if he had given her the ring, instead of a dark lord you would have a dark queen who would be more terrible than Sauron himself. He gave it to Frodo because 1. sauron would never suspect a half-ling to ever have the most powerful object ever and 2. because hobbits are harder to corrupt (not impossible see gollum). Frodo by book three was literally deteriorating as he got closer to mount doom as the ring grew heavier on him

>>723741101
Gollum was already a piece.of shit anyway.

>>723740987
inb4 one of you says
>So why give it to Frodo lol
It's because Hobbits are resistant to magic, just like the Dwarves.
Except Hobbits are more humble so they won't be as tempted to use it all willy nilly.
It's like that one suggestion of tying the ring to a small creature and just carrying that, that's basically what Frodo is.
He's the small creature.

What was going through the orc's mind in this moment

>>723741220
>whur pants

>>723741196
>It's like that one suggestion of tying the ring to a small creature and just carrying that, that's basically what Frodo is.
Why not just launch Frodo with the One Ring into Mt. Doom with a big enough catapult?

>>723741101
he should have given it to sam because he was clearly harder to corrupt
he spent hours wearing the ring on his finger while in mordor and wasn't affected at all

>>723741220
>I ain't had meat for FREE STINKING DAYS

>>723741220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=493pL_Vbtnc

>>723741356
Because that's retarded Boromir.

>>723741493
How about I launch you to the Undying Lands in a catapult next Aragorn you elf-loving race traitor treehugging motherless knife-earfucker?

>>723741220
I always felt bad for Christopher Lee. One of the few actors who met Tolkien and who wanted to play Gandalf but got stuck with his evil twin instead. He was just too good at playing a bad guy

>Sauron, you killed my father...
>big mistake

People often don't know that the ring isn't something that makes you invisible. When you put on the ring it makes you into something that you want. Frodo and bilbo wanted to be invisible because they wanted to get away therefore it gave them invisibility. Sam when fighting shelob became beastly as he wanted courage to defeat it.

>>723740776
The wrong corrupts the bearer. Hobbits are just dumb manlets that like to farm and quabble amongst themselves, totally oblivious to everything else in the world. Literally no one thinks anything about them at all. They'd probably be kept as slaves or in a zoo or treated like African pygmies (which is kind of what Saruman does when he decides he likes their pipe weed). They're difficult to notice and care about nothing important, which makes them the perfect Ring bearer and difficult to corrupt with promises of power.

>inb4 Eagles
The Eagles are as much plain old eagles as Shelob is a dumb spider. They're basically lower rank angelic beings sent to watch over Middle Earth, intelligent, and definitely also not something you want corrupted.

>>723741220
>Within cells, interlinked

>>723737189
It's clearly an allegory for weed, just look at gandalf throwing down at bilbo's party after smoking that shit, tobacco doesn't do that.

>>723739008
dude had all of Orthanc up his ass

>>723738932
>>723739008
Dude has not one but two barrels of the finest herb in Middle-Earth stored in Isengard. Of course he smokes

>>723741918
>Sam when fighting shelob became beastly as he wanted courage to defeat it.
Sam didn't wear the ring when he was fighting Shelob, he had the phial of galadriel.

The invisibility likely has nothing to do with what the claimer of the ring desires, as Sam also turned invisible when he wore it.

>Minus tirith the city of white was established in the books to have a black orthanc outer wall which is indestructible causeing the orcs to use ladders and the ladder boxes
>peter jackson makes it white in the movies but the orcs still use ladders instead of destroy the wall?
wut

>>723742089
Saruman criticizes Gandalf for indulging too much in his pipe. If Saruman also smoked that would make him a hypocrite and Saruman of Many Colors is an honorable man

>>723742206
Maybe it just boosts your strongest attribute.
Hobbits are good at hiding so they turn invisible.

>>723733164
It may have been the power of his ring too. Sauronman could NEVER.

Love lotr and Tolkien. Think fellowship extended is kino, towers and return is ok but they made them into action movies which there not supposed to be.

Watch some of KFC wings of power out of curiosity. It's more terrible than I've ever read or heard. Theres an entire episode basically shitting on Trump because the fag writers are Democrat fans.

A new movie (Hunt for Golem) being made. Read up about it, there going to have black elves and a diverse cast........just stop....was no lesson learned from that dire cartoon they just released a year ago which flopped because of the girl boss who was supposedly a lesbian

>>723742206
>Sam didn't wear the ring when he was fighting Shelob, he had the phial of galadriel.
Then I need to go back and read then. I'm pretty sure the ring itself was more than just invisibility but rather just grants your most inner desires for power in order to corrupt you

>>723728908 (OP)
>god doesn't interfere unless you entertain him and dance to his tune long enough so he one-shots the boss for you
what did tolkien mean by this

>>723731461
>>723732302
>>723733189
>beware the king of Angmar, for he is a powerful wiz..
>it's WITCH!

>>723733164
This.
That movie scene "PREPARE FOR BATTLE!" sums it up perfectly.

>>723742258
>Saruman of Many Colors is an honorable man
As are they all, honourable men.

>>723742336
>In Chapter 2 of The Fellowship of the Ring, Gandalf explains that the Ring pulls mortal wearers into the "wraith-world". He cautions Frodo about the Ring's power to corrupt, explaining that a mortal who "often uses the Ring to make himself invisible... fades... and walks in the twilight under the eye of the Dark Power that rules the Rings". This shows that invisibility is a side effect of a more dangerous spiritual transformation, which is how the Nazgûl came to be.

>>723741865
I bet he would've made a good Gandalf, not that McKellen wasn't good.

>>723738932
Saruman was not made for weed. He was made for meth. Just look at what the ring did to gollum

>>723741865
Christopher Lee's meeting of Tolkien was, by his own account, running into him at a bar, nervously saying hi, and walking out. He didn't discuss anything with the professor.

>>723742258
Get thee gone shade of Sauronman. You were killed by a twink.

>>723741374
Yeah, hours. Frodo was on the quest for months

>>723741220
>we waz elves n shiet

>>723742786
he didn't wear it on his finger except for a few seconds
and he definitely didn't do it in mordor

>>723737189
are you ok with black elves?

I can't believe Grimey Wormtongue turned out to be a bad guy what the actual fuck

>>723741865
It was mostly due to his age, unfortunately.
Filming on the mountain sets probably would have killed him.

>>723728908 (OP)
Nigga the entire series is about denying the temptation to feed into your lust for power as real or illusionary as it be.

>>723733483
That doe was willing and /k/pilled!

>>723742882
Yeah, bro... He looks like... ME.
Not fair.

>>723742652
Man, even someone who's at Lee's caliber can spill spaghetti too, huh

>>723742258
Yeah, for indulging too much, not smoking it in the first place. Priest/noble classes imbibed drugs in ancient non-puritanical religions. I don't see why Saruman would have issue with some occasional pipeweed

>>723729882
In Return of the King for gamecube/ps2 you unlock them after besting the game and are then greeted with interviews by the movie cast talking about playing as Merry and Pippin.
https://youtu.be/5Sbibfsb5M0
https://youtu.be/yZA7JYMs05I

>>723742275
The Ring pulls you the spiritual realm when you wear it. If you're a spiritual creature like a Maiar or an elf, you don't feel much difference, but for regular humans or hobbits who don't have much magical attribute (at least naturally), it basically brings your entire spirit to the other side where you shine like a beacon for all to see (which is helpful for Sauron and the Nazgul)

>>723742436
calm down marc antony

>>723737947
nercromancer used to be a generic term for wizard

>>723743140
>what is nuance
you are so fucking stupid man

>>723736752
He pulls up precisely when he means to

>>723742258
Anyone got that animation of Saruman pufffing away at a pipe while groping his crystal ball? It was on Youtube but I can't remember what it was called.

>>723743415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um5KYud9PMg

>>723743262
...of the dead, right? I wouldn't be a pyromancer if I casted only general spells.

>Et Eärello
>Endorenna utúlien
>Sinome Maruvan
>ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-Metta
How do you respond without sounding like a servant of Darkness?

Is the LOTR fandom the best community?
>bookfags prefer its characterizations and its poetic prose but respect movie enjoyers for how well Jackson captured the themes and visuals of middle earth
>moviefags prefer the one in a million perfect casting and acknowledge that the movies cut content, but it was to help with the pacing and the story, respect the bookfags for their bigger picture perspective

I remember not liking the third book much because it was excessively verbose (and since my copy was a 3-in-1 doorstopper, the font size was rather small). But then again, I was very young when I read it. Should I give LotR another read or I'm bound to come to same conclusion again?

>>723743672
>how well Jackson captured the themes and visuals of middle earth
he really didn't tho

>>723743571
Another scene trimmed down for the theatrical release...

>>723740874
Hey dol! Merry dol! On Tom's land you'll pay no toll!
Take it easy! Rest! Relax! For on Tom's land there'll be no tax!

>>723743573
a pyromancer is just a fortune teller who uses fire instead of cards or sticks

>>723741356
That gif made me laugh. Thank you anon.

>>723743762
00s humor is timeless, think I downloaded a resized version since I don't remember that gif being for ants.

>>723743672
>Reading the poetry
>>723743715
That's weird because the third book is often considered the peak of the work. I found it really hard to read Two Towers (had to force myself to keep going) but when Return of the King came along I'd read 5 chapters in a day (I was doing 1 chapter a day in two towers).

What LotR game has my boy Fatty Bolger in it?

>>723743894
Book 1 was such a slog in the beginning jesus

>>723743672
It was honestly heartening to see that the community tanked amazon's astroturf campaign aimed at lowering everyone's expectations.
After the mysterious slew of threads saying that the books and movies were never good tapered off, everything just went back to normal.
Even that one german/polish 'sperg trying to tell everyone tolkien ripped off X fucked off.

>>723743715
I definitely enjoyed it a lot more when I reread it at a later age. I didn't get bored at all, whereas as a young buck I had trouble focusing on some of the descriptions.

>>723743740
Oh! Tom Bombadil is a libertarian fellow!

>>723743715
read silmarillion first, it's much easier to read and you will appreciate lotr more after reading it

>>723744039
Oh hey I remember that guy because he would shit up mtg threads on /tg/ when they were doing crossover garbage with LotR.

>>723744130
I knew I liked him

>>723743740
>Merry chuckle.png

>>723743610
>Perkele

>>723744130
Reminder: real libertarianism (where everyone is a self-sufficient demigod living on his own patch of beautiful land with his eternal river-wife) has NEVER been tried.

>>723744252
This art is like one of those threads where the black guy shows off his PSP

>Gandalf? Are we going to to Valinor?
>Well, not quite. Tol Erresea, an island off the coast.
>Oh. What is it like?
>Well, personally, I've never been there, but I hear it is very nice this time of year.
>What? Won't I live with you and Elrond?
>No.. No, we have arranged for a nice seaside cottage for you and your uncle. Elrond will stay in the city, I'm afraid it's off limits for you. I will- be going elsewhere.
>Where will you be going?
>To Valinor, to the big wizard rave. And you can't come.
>Why not?
>My dear Frodo, you are a puny mortal created by Eru to endure suffering to the last. Be thankful for what little respite you get.

Why does most modern fantasy depict wizards as frail nerds that can barely pick up a stick when Gandalf the prototypical wizard was slaying monsters with a sword?

>be God
>watch as one of your angels goes full retard and starts causing mass suffering among the lives you created
>do nothing mostly, a few miracles here and there but nothing substantial
>your people eventually depose him
>a long ass time later one of his underlings goes full retard
>do nothing
>your people eventually semi-depose him
>a really long ass time later said underling attempts to go full retard yet again
>send one of your other angels to help instead of just smiting him and ending his faggotry
>but also nerf him arbitrarily so he can't actually do that much
>refuse to elaborate
>mass death and suffering of the innocent just trying to protect themselves and live their lives ensues
>do nothing
>eventually two mini-gigachads are about to finally end his ass but their pet basement dweller is having an autistic meltdown
>swoop in and poke him off a cliff with your invisible finger to claim the glory for yourself because you are just the bestest ever (ignore the fact that 99.99% of this problem you ignored was cleaned up by your innocent suffering subjects)
>even in his own fictional story, Tolkien can't address the problem of evil

>>723743724
Rohan was well done. Gondor not so much. What happened by the third movie that they started making so many shit decisions?

>>723744405
Retards think you need to be really physically strong to inflict bad wounds with the equivalent of a very large knife.

>>723730071
He's my favorite hobbit for a reason. As a kid it was obviously Bilbo, but Merry has a great arc and really proves himself time and again. Also he's rather scholarly after the adventures which I quite like.

Why didn't they fly on eagles?

>>723744438
Imagine being a conductor and just shooting your best violinist in the penis so he'll make the right noises and then having him arrested when his number is up

>>723744405
Because Merlin is the prototypical wizard not his shitty rip-off gandalf.

>>723744568
The eagles would've taken the ring for themselves, leading to a horrifying bird-centric future.

>>723744568
Eagles literally glow in the dark and would alert Sauron that a psyop was going on. Same for Glorfindel or whatever that Giga OP elf is called.
Even Elrond would attract attention with his aura.

>>723744405
>Gandalf chased the Balrog for most of a week and up a stupidly long winding stairs to the top of a mountain

>>723729315

I forgot this game ever existed, god damn did it suck ass.

>>723744639
Myyrdin*

>>723744568
They had to slip it in through the buttcrack in secret or everyone would've spilled their terminal spaghatt. I'm sorry.

>>723744661
Reminder that Sauron was such a 5D chess player he fell for the psyop in the end. He even thought Aragorn had the ring to be foolish enough to challenge him in open field combat.
He only saw the ring was closer to home when Frodo put it on and by then it was too late.

>>723744716
Use the romanized name, not whatever barbaric tongue-clicking that shit's supposed to represent

>>723741918
You're mixing it up a little, he becomes terrifying and gives off the aura of an elven prince when rescuing Frodo from the tower. He doesn't have the ring against Shelob.

>elves and men have thousands of years to rebuild after the last war
>Sauron somehow yanks enough orcs out of his butthole within a few years to muster a genuine military threat against the rest of the fucking continent

>>723744803
Not hard to pronounce Muradin, fella

this passage hits deep

>>723744639
Gandalf is a rip-off of Väinämöinen though, whose myth is at least as old as Merlin.

>>723744946
That has never happened ever before.

>>723744773
Sauron is the big bad of the series but isn't he actually small fry compared to the shit that came before him?

>>723743201
based
wish games would have soul like this today

>>723742882
Dude should have changed his name, but it turned out ok in the end.

>>723740776
>>723741954

>>723744946
Kek, but no, Sauron spends some millenia rebuilding his empire in the East while he has the Witch-King destroy Arnor and then watch Mordor for him while he dicks about in Dol Guldor.

>>723745092
I don't know much about all the other posthumous Tolkien books, but I remember Middle Earth being in a stage of waning fantastical and magical things, suggesting that in the past shit was much more crazy and stronger than what remains.
So Sauron is possibly small fry, but he did fool and corrupt strong High Elves from previous eras.

>>723745185
The Witch King also had a not-dragon that could've snacked on eagles

>>723738932
In the books after the victory and coronation, Aragorn, Gandalf, Galadriel and others escort the hobbits partway towards the Shire (while also touring Gondor) and they encounter the defeated, broken Saruman on the road. Gandalf and the others try to tell him he could still change his ways, but he just insults them and walks on... but then stops next to the hobbits and asks them for a smoke. Which Merry happily offers. Shit's comedy gold.

>reread books for first time since I was a little kid and preferred the movies
>realize they are genuinely some of the best books of all time
>the expanded Legendarium is just as good
I really truly think there's a level of enjoyment you just can't get from the books if you aren't a real history and linguistics nerd, the amount of people I hear dismissing the Appendices or the Silmarillion is very sad. Inversely, if you love language and history I don't know if there's another book series that comes close.

>>723744979
>he doubles down
I guess that's why the Romans accurately protrayed you as unable to be civilized.

>>723745243
so what, nobody thought to scout over at Asshole McBastard's former hiding spot for millenia and go
>huh I wonder what all these shady people making weapons and barking orders at each other are up to
?

>>723745060
>Väinämöinen
That's way too many diaeresis, tell me more about it suomibro

>>723745418
>still coping about being too much of a peasant to recognise the real wizard's name, even when spelled out for him
no wonder the germans grew tired of such effete snobs

>>723745382
I love fictional language and history but hate it IRL because, as misanthropic as it sounds, most of human history to me comes across as the chronicles of self important assholes causing problems for the sake of their own glory.
>and then Emperor Dickface sacrificed 3 billion slaves to build another gigantic statue of himself and got in 14 more wars causing a gorillion additional deaths of normal people minding their own business only to die of cholera and have it all mean nothing a generation later

>>723744659
How exactly would the eagles wield the ring though? They dont have human fingers to put it on or the dexterity required to fasten it around their neck on a chain, nor do they have pockets

>>723745586
>g*rmoid barbarian calling others "peasant"
Kekekek

>>723738932
>>723745365
found the fragment

Where do humans go when they die in Middle Earth

>>723745483
They did, but nobody did care or was able to come into an agreement about what should be done.
And Arnor falling and Gondor being under a thousand-year regency didn't help.
I really don't want to pick irl parallels but we have some examples.

>>723744405
because most modern fantasy wizards aren't actual angels
he fits an eldritch knight profile (if eldritch knights were angels)

>>723745669
Passing bold, Ramza.

>>723745092
Sauron is a Maiar, like Gandalf and the Balrogs. You can consider them to be high tier spiritual beings like "angel" or "demon".
The Valar are the pantheon of "Gods" that sit below the One God, Eru.
Sauron, like the Balrogs, were Maiar servants of Morgoth, a Valar. Sauron was just a better more clever being than the others.
After a long time of Morgoth fucking things up, the rest of the Valar threw down the gauntlets and wages war to defeat him, called the War of Wrath which was so terrible that the very land it was fought on no longer exists.
Sauron eventually rose to power over millennia - and when we mean power, it's not "I cast bigger fireball", it's alliances, nation building/destroying, treachery, etc.
Fearing a devastation like the War of Wrath, the Valar do not intervene directly (they could probably crush him easily enough) and choose instead to fight him through influence.
They sent five Maiar, strip them of most of their power, and tell them they cannot intervene directly.
Rather than thinking of powerful beings or grand battles you should think of the War of the Ring as a battle or influence over the world. Sauron did not go out and crush armies with his magic fists - he worked machinations upon the peoples of Middle Earth. The Wizards were sent to do the same - to galvanize and guide the peoples to resist his influence. It's a theoretical good vs. evil, not one being ba another.
Having the Valar come down and smite Sauron would be like bringing a nuke to a stick fight.

>>723744439
The appendices that came with the special editions are very enlightening on this front. Essentially they had pitched the series as two films, because they thought that was all they would ever get, but some (absolutely fucking GOATed) exec told them to stop being stupid and he'd only make it if it was three movies since that was what the story obviously needed. As a result, Fellowship was mostly written but they were kinda flying by the seat of their pants as the trilogy went on, writing and re-writing scenes the night before filming them. There's a reason that there's so much unused footage from the films that didn't make it to the extended cuts: they basically had no finished form until they were out the door, again except for Fellowship. This is also why the "Arwen is dying!" plot appears in TT and then vanishes in the next film. Honestly watching how haphazard and grueling the production was it's a miracle that TT and ROTK are decent films, let alone "good but not as good as Fellowship."

>>723745742
This is autistic. Nobody speaks this way, it sounds like a theatre performance. I don't even mean the words being used, the way Saruman rants for several sentences in a row like he's giving a speech is not how conversation flows.

>>723745751
They just die. They don't go anywhere. That is their Gift.

>>723745836
what

>>723745925
is this your first book (or piece of media for that matter)?
No media depicts human conversation accurately.

>>723745860
Holy shit this is so kino.

>>723745742
I love Tolkien's sense of humour

>>723745092
>but isn't he actually small fry
yeah
he literally got defeated by a girl's pet dog

>>723745925
it was written 100 ywars ago

>>723745867
Look I'm sure Peter Jackson is a friendly enough person and he makes some proper kino but having his distended fat gut poking out like that is just shameful.

>>723745382
try the cosmic triology by CS lewis, they were friends

>>723745925
You should meet my boss.

>>723741101
I love how right up to the last moment Sauron is still convinced that Aragorn has the ring, because why the fuck would a strong man not just TAKE the ring from the tiny Hobbit? He's literally incapable of conceiving of someone just not wanting the power for himself.

>>723746003
Yea I don't read books because stuff like that always triggers my autism.

>>723746170
same thing happens in games or movies though.

>>723744438
>even in his own fictional story, Tolkien can't address the problem of evil
he does, just in a very literary way. Arda is literally a "song"/poem and dissonance is necessary to make the song beautiful, just as strife is necessary to make a story dramatic and interesting. At the end of things, everyone can look back and appreciate the part they played.

>>723746015
I don't get it, is the joke just:

>I heard she's pretty
>She's not the hottest I've seen
>Then let me get my axe (to kill her)

Where's the funny?

>>723745742
Did he just fucking steal Merry's bag

>>723741196
They gave it to the hobbits because they don't need shoes

>>723746082
Guys who make history aren't preocuppied with optics.
We who are nobodies must project what we are not through fashion and looks or whatever.

>>723746220
>God let thousands of innocent people die brutally in battle because it was cooler that way

That's terrifying

>>723746246
Saruman dindu

>>723746003
>No media depicts human conversation accurately
Didn't some fags rewrite Shakespeare for the retarded modern youth? Such things probably do that.

>>723743762
>>723743858

>>723746320
I never said it was a nice world to live in, only that there was *an* answer to the problem of evil in Arda.

>>723746264
Christopher Lee made history and didn't look like a fat slob doing it.

>>723746475
Every job in Christopher Lee's life was to BE optics.

>>723737189
The Shire is mostly based on rural Victorian England, where smoking tobacco wouldn't have been anachronistic. Pipeweed isn't smoked anywhere else in middle earth except by Gandalf (and later Saruman)

>>723746393
>my armors red
Why is that what got me?

>>723744356
>to endure suffering to the last.
But that's elves.

>>723746646
>let me look good while I shank this officer in the back

>>723746393
take me back. take me back.
And give me back my will.

>>723746242
Gimli told Eomer Galadriel is the fairest lady that lives and he'll fight anyone who says otherwise. So now Eomer comes to Gimli and says he disagrees, Arwen is fairer. Gimli excuses him and agrees to disagree.

>>723746772
Oh. I don't know how you can read that from that text, this shit is impossible for me to parse. "You shall judge" and then interrupting it is a really awkward way to phrase something, why not "You shall pass judgement"?

>>723746393
>>723746560
Oh my god, I think the last time I saw these was on ytmnd.

>>723746393
kek these were the good times

>>723746246
>>723746345
>Saruman the Black

>>723746393
>>723741356
these two gifs are unironically older than most of the people using this site now

>>723744568
Sauron would see them and send the Nazgul after them.

>>723745991
no, they go somewhere, but nobody knows but Eru. Considering LOTR is in our world and with Tolkien's deep Catholicism it eventually comes down to heaven or hell

>>723747043
>couldn't find a fucking goblin that had it for like 20 years
uh huh

>>723745563
He's one of the world-creator (demi)gods of Finnish mythology, specifically the one who created all magic in the form of songs, and one of the main characters of Kalevala (an adapted compendium of ancient oral tradition myths, written in the 1800s. "Adapted" in the sense that it's about as accurate in places as Mormonism is to Christianity)
That painting is of a scene in Kalevala, where they defend Sampo (the golden magic mill in the bottom right corner, which can conjure grain and riches) after first crafting it for the witch of the north, and then promptly stealing it from her.

>>723746686
>filename
Very apt.

>>723746913
ESL? "you shall judge" is a reply to "if there be need".

>>723747224
>Tolkien, a die hard super anal Catholic, stole most of his mythos from ancient pagan mythology

>>723747009
This must be how elves feel all the time. I get it now.

>>723747207
I think the took the info about the ring from Gollum but by then Bilbo already had it.
Tolkien wrote that before GPS stuff, it's more of a whimsical and magical feeling about its existence or whatever. It's not about pinpointing where exactly it was in the world.

>>723747276
English is the only language I've ever know, I have no fucking clue what "you shall judge" even means in that context. If the judge arrived in a courtroom and a lawyer pointed at him and shouted "you shall judge" I'd understand it.

If Tolkien could have deeply elaborated on ONE lore subject that he never fully did, what would you want it to be?

>https://youtu.be/1-Uz0LMbWpI
Here's Tolkien himself on an interview answering why the Fellowship did not fly the Eagles to Mordor.

>>723747009
Damn...

>>723747309
Catholicism in a nutshell

>>723746393
someone post lil cheetus

>>723747420
luthien's bobs and vagene

>>723747420
Blue Wizards and the bullshit they were up to during the war, onegai.

>>723747309
Hey just like the Catholic Church!

Do you need reagents to cast spells in LotR or do you just wave a staff around?

>>723747224
>a christian professor of norse mythology
>which is presided over by a wizard god who notably disguises himself as an old man to wander the world
>who was folded into christian folklore
>writes an angelic character disguised as an old man called the grey pilgrim
>clearly got this from finnland

>>723747276
Lack of reading comprehension is not limited to ESLs. It was dropped from school curricula in America alongside phonics. Nowadays (since the late 90s really) kids are only trained to react to keywords and express how those make them feel. They are no longer taught to understand full sentences and their relationships.

Not even joking.

>>723747408
Bro you can "judge" just about anything at any time. It's a very flexible word. Judge a distance for example. Judge whether something is a good idea. Are you a Burgerfriend perchance?

>>723747507
Catholics didn't steal. They allowed pagan societies to integrate their own superstitions into what they were practices. Perhaps to a fault, because many of these pagan traditions worked their way into mainstream practice. It still happens today.

>>723747436
More creators need to answer stuff with the same response instead of making up stupid bullshit, desu

A certain Eastern European country is especially autistic about Tolkien, but it manifests in two ways - oldfags who dress up as elves and write fanfics lengthier than the original books themselves, and girls who develop crushes on pretty elves when they're 13 and grow up to be in their 30s still drawing elves and writing the aforementioned fanfics.
I had a crush on such a girl in my younger days.

>>723747224
That sounds cool. Where can I learn more about it fren?

>>723747604
>>723747507
>>723747309
literally all religion in a nutshell, once you go down the rabbit hole of theological history you quickly discover every single religion in history just outright stole from shit that came before it

How and what would it take to best tolkien

>>723747717
I am a burger, but using "judge" as the verb in response to someone asking if they should get their axe, and then talking about how hot a bitch is is super confusing and disjointed.

>>723744252
>Token, Legendary Creature
fixed

>>723747768
>>723747436
>point out a plothole
>s-shut up!
What a stuffy nasally sounding nonce

>>723747796
>stole from shit that came before it
So what was the original?

>>723747910
No it's not. You are just a retarded burger.

>>723747904
Another World War, probably.

>>723747742
Fair point

>>723748003
Sun worship.

>>723744691
I'm surprised they stop such a short way through the pass

>>723748003
animism

>>723747992
>Sauron has Nazguls that rides spooky dragons
>Sauronman can send out crows and shit
>still thinks flying is safe

>>723747904
A man of the world with an interest in mythology and a love of his own culture.

>>723748003
Nature worship/animism. That's why most of the head gods represent the sun of the celestial bodies and a bull.

>>723739415
nigger what are you talking about?

>>723748176
I've always loved north American cultures and the natives cultures despite the US having a shorter life than anything in europe. Brb in 15 years

>>723748157
I'm pretty sure an eagle could dive bomb the ring in before the Sauron Air Force could scramble. Even then that pipe smoking fag could just say so instead of being buttmad about it.

>>723747910
Hey look man, assuming you're not trolling I'm from America and if you're gonna say you are too it'd be appreciated if you'd act more respectably in your posts.

>>723748364
Wouldn't Sauron's gaze sorta just spook the eagle into dropping the ring or something?

gandalf could have just sprouted wings and flown frodo to mordor himself
but he wasn't allowed to do that
and the eagles who are also servants of the valar were not allowed to fly the ring there either

>>723745563
I think the term for the diacritic in this case is umlaut, because ä and ö are just [æ] and [ø], respectively.

>>723743740
Saved

>>723748364
Also nobody controls the Eagles. They serve their own God or whatever.
They just happen to help when they help because he lets them.
No air support from them without his say.

>>723748325
NTA, but he's right about the time period. LotR takes place in our world during prehistory.

>>723748364
Don’t you risk them getting corrupted or ending up giving the Ring to Sauron, though? Everyone got super spooked or hyped up just looking at the Ring except the Hobbits
I can see him growing tired of people who just have to have everything explained to them, honestly

>>723728908 (OP)

Gandalf is not a regular party member though. He is the overpowered tutorial NPC. Also, his job description is clear, he is to guide mortals in their fight, that´s why he looks like an old man, because if he looked like an angel mortals would freak out, fear him and eventually turn on him. The direct divine intervention thing didn´t work out in the past so Eru is trying the subtle approach this time.

I just prefer the hobbit bros... the mocking lighthearted tone helps the dark elements hit harder and there's more mystery, the world feels more threatening because you know nothing about it. More mythic. The Beorn sequence is creepy and atmospheric as fuck

>>723748772
I remember when I read the book as a kid, I felt really pissed off because Bard comes from fucking nowhere and kills Smaug.

>>723748364
>ring's corruption is most dangerous when exposed to proud and powerful beings
>put it in the vicinity of a semi divine being so proud that even a literal angel had to heal their leader before they'd give him the time of day

>>723728908 (OP)
>I could blast all these fools with my godlike magic in less than a second you know
>HELP US THEN WE ARE DYING
>no lmao

>>723744252
Was the black hand really necessary?

>>723748901
how else are you going to add DEI into a picture of a dragon

>>723748901
They were just really paranoid about Saruman infiltrating them

>>723748992
>calls balrog army

>>723748889
The movies portray the eagles as an instant taxi device.
It's not really expanded that despite their "common" animal form, they are not only high tier in power but also proud af. Taking favors from them is like owing a magical mob boss a favor.

>>723748669
>>723748725
>>723748503
>>723748889
Ok good points, I didn't think of any of that. Now why couldn't Tolkien have said any of that?

Pic unrelated I just wanted an excuse to post Boromir

>>723748992
>With one hand thou givest, with the left only
>Open thy right hand

>powerful divinity has semi-human champion that follows similar rules as powerful divinity but with a human form, human agency, human relatability
>BUT IF IT'S SO POWERFUL THEN WHY DOESN'T IT TELEPORT THE RING INTO VOLCANO/WHY DOES EVIL EXIST???

>>723748717
This is sort of true. While the literal timing of Lord of the Rings is in a pre-history earth, the various cultures represent various stages of European (particularly Germanic) history, with the Elves, Gondor, Rohan, the Shire, even the Pukel men taking influence from different eras.

>>723748325
Some retarded lore Tolkien came up with to make it seem like LotR is our world but magic no longer exists because magic is already waning.

>>723745092
Sauron might be the absolute peak if you think about it logically. He's the only being in literally ALL OF CREATION that has forced capital-G God to admit that it's actually not all according to plan and personally step off his throne to bitch slap him. And he did it like three times.
Even Morgoth with his rebellion was just a planned part of the music, only Sauron has objectively displayed the ability to have true free will by literally derailing the omnipotent creator's plan to the point he has to personally fix it.

Why didn't Sauron just appear offline for a few centuries, until the elves were gone men were weakened, and THEN enact his plans to take over Middle Earth?
His war just drove all the remaining powers together and made them willing to try desperate hail marys, like destroying the Ring.

>>723744252
what expectest thou from someone yclept "Jarel Threat"

>>723749307
Why DOES evil exist? Why did G-d even allowed things such as "corruption" in HIS creation?

>>723749221
He does in the Council of Elrond. It's by far the longest part of the books and pretty meticulously and analytically explains why X person couldn't take the Ring. It makes it abundantly and totally clear that Frodo was legitimately the only real option, the movies really, really, really cut a fucking LOT out of it.

>>723748325
lord of the rings is positioned as an alt-history story. basically everything we see happens during the end of the third age, roughly 6000-10000 years ago, depending on how tolkein was feeling at the time when he addressed it.
jesus christ is canon in LOTR and his birth initiated the seventh age.

>>723749340
I want to believe LotR takes place in the era right before Conan the Barbarian.

>>723749310
>The furtive Pukel-man, so easily forgotten...

>>723749397
because the far greater evil is the absence of free will

>>723749436
Why Frodo and not any other hobbit?

>>723749221
They serve as a deus ex machina and his lore tries at least to acommodate for some of these questions.
But the whole point of Frodo's mission was being a "secret" sneaking OP, so it was his way to cut off a lot of very OP allied characters from the story. See >>723749436

>>723749580
Why does free will imply that you can do evil? Why program the very existence of evil into your world?

>>723749610
Wizard nepotism.

>>723749221
The problem with that recording was that the letter was not the first person to ask the same question. Tolkien even mentioned that people in pubs have been bugging him with it.
If he was the first ever person to ask about the birds, Tolkien might've had actually explained his reasonings with more thoughts put to it. Alas, he was only the first to be recorded.

>>723749610
Frodo is widely regarded as an especially wise and cool hobbit.

>Tom Bombadil is supposedly this all powerful godlike being
>does fucking nothing
What was his problem?

>>723749610
Basically because the Ring was already in his possession and everyone was aware of how possessing the Ring even for a short time can turn you into a crack whore trying to get it back, and Bilbo was too old and just wanted to finish his book and retire. Giving the Ring to another Hobbit in the company would have just tempted Frodo to steal the Ring.
>But Sam had the Ring for a while and didn't want to kill Frodo over it
Literally nobody counted on Sam being as incredibly based as he turned out to be

>>723749370
It's because his retarded ass died when Numenor was sucked up by the sea taking him with it causing him to lose his body. That was probably the last time he had a good body to inhabit and didn't escape with the other numenoreans who were obviously correct in that king Elros Tar-Minyatur retarded idea of invading valinor was suicidal for the kingdom.

>>723749348
sauron also lost to a dog and was only allowed to go because he was so weak and pathetic

Why didn’t Sauron place any guards at the entrance to Mt. Doom?

>>723749397
In LotR? It's explained as Melkor singing a dissonant song etc. It's kind of hinted this is all part of Eru's plan though. Perhaps he thinks that some dissonance or unpredictability will ultimately make a more beautiful song.

>>723749702
Too powerful to need to give a shit if the world goes to shit.

>>723749702
He's so powerful and above all that he doesn't give a flying fuck anymore.
Dr. Manhattan+.

>>723749702
too busy living in the woods fucking his sexy immortal wife and not paying any taxes

>>723749610
Because he had already demonstrated his willpower and determination (one of the big movie mistakes was cutting out the part where Frodo draws on the nine and tells them to fuck off, AFTER he'd been stabbed and was about to pass out)
Few hobbits were cut out for adventure, and while Merry and Pippin were also up for it and Sam was willing to go wherever Frodo went, Frodo was the best shot they had.

>>723749741
He did but the sneaky hobbitses got past them. That's the point of sending them.

>>723749741
he couldn't imagine anyone wanting to destroy the ring instead of using it

>>723749702
like all the Maia he's forbidden from actually using his full might in front of mortals. Though he could easily, and had in the past, but it sank entire regions into the sea hence the rule.

>>723749741
It genuinely didn't cross his mind that anyone would ever want to destroy the ring rather than claim it for themselves.
In fairness, he was right.

>anons argue about pipeweed/tobacco
>everyone forgets potatoes are from south america so sam wouldn't have them

>>723749702
He's only powerful within his domain, and even inside it he barely gives enough of a shit to act outside of his duities.

>>723749769
That's retarded.

>>723747780
I'm going to guess........ Romania?

>>723749741
He never imagined for even a moment that his enemies were actually trying to destroy him. One of the best parts of the entire book is when Frodo puts on the Ring and describes Sauron's realization about what's happening, he basically shits his fucking pants.
>And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dûr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.

>>723750291
You got the first letter right.

>>723750209
If you think that's bad you should try some real Catholicism.

Why didn't Eru just create a world with free will and without evil?

>>723750101
see >>723746683 where I address anachronisms in the Shire. This covers potatoes as well as tobacco

>>723750356
Rpoland?

>>723750503
>its set in the distant past of the Earth
>but the continents don't match up at all
>and real life crops exist in regions they shouldn't, long before they first developed
>and there is zero evidence of these great nations and these mighty conflicts in the future of Now

>>723728908 (OP)
I havent watched the movies in years.
Does he even use any spells? What kind of wizard shows up to battle the armies of evil with a fucking sword and doesnt cast a single fireball?

>>723748743
fanfic image

>>723749610
Look nigga the story gotta happen at some point.

>>723750624
He laser blasts the Nazgul.
He probably fireballs them at Weathertop too, but it's not described in detail. They kinda dropped the ball on that in the films imo, might as well have had a sick fight scene.

>>723750101
>>723750503
If I remember right Tolkien actually had references to both potatoes and tomatoes removed from later additions of the books and replaced with other plants because it bugged him so much. The movies just kept them in though.

>>723750624
He shits out so much fire and lightning during his final duel with the balrog that it can be seen from Lorien

>>723750101
BOIL EM MASH EM STICK EM IN A STEW

>>723750786
Amazing post

>>723750786
>Is he able but not willing?
Yes. God is a "suffering builds character" fag.

>>723750356
Man, here I was going for the little, lesser known ones.

>>723750309
he was right though, frodo couldn't resist the ring and wouldn't destroy it
he only lost because of deus ex machina

I've noticed at least two Catholic authors having a thing for hot older women who are also tall. Does this have anything to do with their beliefs?

>>723750937
Mary worship, duh

>>723749702
> "There must always be some riddle, even in a mythical age. Tom Bombadil is one"

>>723750906
>field of corpses full of innocent young men forced to defend themselves and their country against demonic invaders
>"this builds character"
God is a sociopath

>>723750937
I'm not a Catholic but that also describes my type, I think it's just based.

>>723750974
Mary was 12-14 when she had Jesus.

What is Tolkien's best story and why is it Aldarion and Erendis?

>>723751045
And? She was a bona fide milf by the time he began teaching

>>723750619
yes. The whole prehistory of earth thing is really only relevant in extended Legendarium anyways. Lord of the Rings is far more concerned with references to various literature that Tolkien liked.
>>723750804
He removed a reference to tomatoes in the Hobbit, but I don't think he ever mentioned why he did so. I doubt he would be that concerned with the anachronisms considering he references things like post offices and freight trains in the books.

>>723750498
He did, but Melkor fucked it up.

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Arda_Marred

It is prophesied that in the end times, when the world is destroyed, Eru will recreate an improved Arda as a result of this corruption (Arda Healed)

>>723750937
no
>Miyazaki: The truth is that I just wanted to make a really big woman. I think it was a Fujiko F. Fujio manga, (Yasuragi no Yakata, literally Tranquil Mansion) in which there was a company president who joins an exclusive club to escape his stressful work life, and there's this giant woman who takes care of the club members, almost like a mother… don't you think that's just a perfect situation? A giant, considerate, caring woman. The kind we all lost when we grew up; that's what I wanted to make. Originally I wanted to put a mouth in the palm of her hand and we made all of the animations, but it didn't make it into the final game.

>>723751125
And that's pretty based. God teaches us that girls gotta start young.

>>723749741
He pulled them to take out Aragorn because he thought he had the ring.
Because of palantir fuckery he thought Sauron-man took it from Pippin, and then Aragorn took it from Sauron-man when Isengard was sacked.

He was convinced the only reason Aragorn would show up at his front gate like a pig to slaughter was that the ring had swayed him to do something extremely retarded, but he sent his forces out to be sure of victory in case he or Gandalf did master some of the rings powers.

>>723751045
she was 15-16.

>>723745669
I see youre well versed on Chinese history.

>>723750746
The Nazgul are the main antagonists for the first half of Fellowship. They wanted to keep the tension building, and I think cutting away to an indirect fight of Gandalf and the Nazgul would have damaged that. The movie also implies that Gandalf was still at Orthanc during the trek from Bree to Rivendell.
It certainly would have been cool, but it didn't work for the pacing of the movie.

>>723751291
>THRAIN! I HAVE COME TO AUDIT YOUR MOUNTAIN!

>>723750937
A somewhat meme answer would be that our veneration of the Virgin Mary means that Catholics tend to appreciate motherly women a lot more.
Also, Tolkien's wife met and fell in love with him, but his father figure forbade them from dating because she was of legal age and he was not.

>>723751308
>60,000 peasants consumed

>>723746745
me on my way back home in time for breakfast (i'm having smoked kipper)

>>723750918
>he only lost because of deus ex machina
Frodo put a curse on Golum by using the Ring so he would fall into the fires if he ever touched him

>>723751308
Not enough cannibalism.

>>723729076
>>723729151
>>723738932
Guys! Guys! Haha, listen! Guys, hahaha, hey, listen! Okay, so, so! The pipeweed they talk about in LotR! Haha, listen, guys! What if, what if, haha, what if we pretended that was *Weed!*

Dude, that's so fucking funny!

It's like "Oh man, Mario's been eating... MUSHROOMS!"

LMAO!

LOL!

ROFL!

LOLLERCOPTER!

>>723746320
How many NPCs have you killed and arranged the bodies of in Skyrim?

>>723730071
All the Hobbits are competent, the only one that's not so great is Pippin, but even he more than pulls his weight.

You can't take a single thing away from Frodo or Sam either.

>>723751426
>>723751472
The funny part is that the commander of that garrison was actually incredibly competent and did a phenomenal job with what he had. The guy utterly mindfucked the enemy repeatedly.
He just got brutally fucked over by the people who were supposed to reinforce him and his enemies were too retarded to force an advantage.

>>723730086
I like how LotR works with that kind'a stuff, like Glorfindel's prophesy about how the Witch King couldn't be killed, and so he just couldn't. Nobody doubted it, it was just a thing and it had to be dealt with.

>>723729882
>mfw third breakfest

>>723751650
It's funny how there's so many wars where some guy or a group of people fuck it up for their side in spectacular ways, usually ending up with getting scores of people killed for personal honour or things like that.

>>723746320
Maybe humans shouldn't have been gay enough to start a war, huh?

>Come into LotR thread
>Great discussion
>Great art
>Good times
>Almost always the best threads on /v/ that make you remember how good this place sometimes is
Every single fucking time.

>>723738121
Honestly yeah it is, like imagine if a company tried to say you were pirating a movie by watching a movie you borrowed from a friend that hasn't been sold in over a decade.

How is it different if you borrow it and copy it? If you can't buy it you can't buy it so how is it an issue to copy it from a friend. The obvious solution is to simply sell the movie if you think that many people want it otherwise there is no fucking way you can claim you care about people sharing it

>>723729882
>>723751717
Quit eating breakfast and wear wigs already.

>>723751494
If Tolkien is so smart, why did he include a new world plant (tobacco) in his european fantasy?

>>723751789
LOTR threads are universally good no matter what board you're on. Tolkien autists are always happy to answer questions in-between lore discussion and praising the stuff we like, no matter where we are.

Favorite lesser known character in Tolkien's works?

>>723751291
The nigger started a war with Tolkien in his own head and still lost catastrophically

>>723751919
This was already deboonked ITT, sweetie.

>>723751019
Calm down, Ivan Karamazov.

>>723751789
>Great art
we should have more LotR art threads

>>723741220
Manflesh

>>723728908 (OP)
That's because every time the Valar met the forces of evil with power it caused far worse damage to the world.

>War of the Powers
>The Valar first came to Middle-earth on Y.T. 1090. The titanic conflict between the Valar and Melkor now began in earnest, with the hosts of the West confronting the hosts of Melkor in the North-west of Middle-earth, and all that region was broken by this engagement. But the first victory of the hosts of the West was swift, and the servants of Melkor fled before them to Utumno. Then the Valar passed over Middle-earth, and over the next two years, they set a guard about Cuiviénen to protect the Elves from battle. There the young Elves only felt the shaking of the Earth, and saw the north alight by mighty fires. Thus the Valar began the siege of Utumno, long and grievous it was and many battles were fought before its gates of which all is but a rumour to the Elves.

>After seven years of the Trees, the gates of Utumno were broken and its halls unroofed, and Melkor took refuge in the uttermost pit. The last of his servants were host of Balrogs, who as a tide of flame assailed the standard of Manwë. The wind of his wrath withered their fire, and he slew them with the lightning of his sword. Melkor stood at last alone.

>From the ruin great clouds arose and hid the stars. It was during this time that the contour of Middle Earth was changed, with the Great Sea being widened.

>War of Wrath aftermath
>The world had changed greatly, for the fury of both sides in the war had wreaked havoc on much of the land. The northern areas were torn asunder, rivers formed or destroyed, mountains and hills changed. The wreckage of the war was immense; most of the land west of the Ered Luin sank beneath the waves, and Beleriand was destroyed. The sea broke through the Ered Luin and formed the Gulf of Lhûn.

>>723751789
>>723751939
on /v/ in particular it seems the best barrier against rampant shitposting is the ability and desire to read being required to participate.
Even YA nostalgia threads have this shield, which just goes to show how illiterate the average compulsive shitposter is.

>>723750937
>having a thing for hot older women who are also tall
can't imagine why

>So powerful they could've shitstomped Sauron's entire army in a matter of minutes
>Main characters only remember they exist near the end and only use them for a single battle

>>723751789
pretty ironic since I'm pretty sure everything Tolkien held dear is diametrically opposed to what /v/ likes

>>723728908 (OP)
>watch boromir die
>cry
>repeat every time i watch these fucking movies

>>723752243
>/v/ is one person

>>723741356
>Nice shooting faggot you fired it right into the fucking mountains
Every time

>>723752079
ngl the fact that the ones with real power refrain from taking field is because they'd end up destroying the object of dispute and would rather try to solve it otherwise even if it gives the upper hand to the antagonist is metal af

>>723752225
Aragorn was only able to verify their existence using the palantir after they defeated Sauronman.

Is Return to Moria any good?
That Hobbit life sim looks like shit

>>723746017
>>723749736
>he lost to a dog!
Don't try and downplay it. Sauron turned himself into a furry then got double teamed by an elf witch and her giant beast hound. He was an overconfident retard, but not weak.

>>723752271
>they took the little ones
:'(

>>723752175
I would agree but /lit/ is pretty bad with rampant shitposting and retardation

>>723740776
Sauron would pay attention to gandalf coming to Mordor alone. Tolkien also said the worst possible outcome to TLotR would be Gandalf getting corrupted by the ring and replacing Sauron as the dark lord, because dark lord Gandalf would be worse.

I recently read a really good discussion on all Saruman's tactical failings in his attack on Helm's Deep, basically pointing out all the ridiculous military blunders he made along with why he made them- and also how the author believed that to be the point of the text, because the Witch King (a legendary Commander) didn't make any of those mistakes. Great read, fun times.

However, a part of his argument was that even if Saruman had gotten the ring, it wouldn't have done anything for him. I've seen a few people say this, that all the ring offers is lies. And look, probably Sam couldn't have put on the ring and taken on Sauron, that's fine.

But literally every wise character, Gandalf, Galadriel and Saruman believe that the ring will let them do whatever they want to do. Yeah, obviously Sauron was defeated and he sent an army to kill Aragorn, thinking he had the ring, which shows he also believes that someone else with the ring could be defeated too. However, it's specifically pointed out that he believed Aragorn to be a new wielder of it, and that he would kill him before he could master it.

Sauruman is a maiar, he's equal to Sauron (more or less), if he had the ring and a chance to master it, there's no reason to think he wouldn't be almost unstoppable. The Witch King would take Mordor's host against him, but it seems almost guaranteed to me that with the ring's power Saruman could force the Witch King and the Mordor forces to serve him instead.

>2025
>still no high budget Angband-inspired LotR game where you battle everything from shitter orcs to small armies of balrogs to every evil figure from Middle-Earth's history
Tolkien's estate clearly doesn't give a shit anymore seeing the absolute garbage they've signed off on, can we atleast have a side of some fun to go with the lore rape?

>>723752224
ADVERTISER SAMA GET DOWN

>>723741865
>Gandalf was offered the leadership of the White Council, but he refused. The position was instead given to Saruman, who was considered the wisest of the order at the time.
Saruman was always jealous that Gandalf was picked over him. Which ironically makes Christopher Lee the perfect person to play Saruman.

>>723752225
That's movie autism.
In the books they're more like a psychological weapon that couldn't materially harm anybody.
Aragorn unleashed them against some corsairs but they wouldn't work very well against orcs (nor slay them like in the movies, perhaps kill of fright). And it would make Aragorn look very bad as a possible King if he scared the shit out of the gondorians at Pelenor.

>>723752416
That's because much like how /v/ doesn't actually play video games, /lit/ doesn't read.

>>723752345
>using the p-

>>723752225
They're just ghosts. It's questionable whether they could even fight in the physical realm. All we know is that the corsairs pissed themselves so hard that they jumped from their ships in fear and drowned.

>>723752380
and the dog was from valinor and could speak

So what would've happened if the Gandalf didn't got hold up by a Balrog and the Fellowship wasn't ambushed by the Uruks, theoretically?

>>723752546
Saladbrimdoor

>>723752404
>Leave it. It is over. The world of men shall fall. All will come to darkness. My city will ruin.

>defies the doom of mandos and the other vala to go on a solo mission to save the west
>succeeds (without his intervention all free peoples of beleriand would have been destroyed)
>responsible for the continuation of bloodlines that still carry middle earth 6000 years later
kneel to the true defender of men and elves

>>723752486
what was it?

>>723729898
>>723734423
I don't remember anything like that, in LotR magic isn't a resource, it's just something you can do if you can do it. Aragorn didn't deplete himself when he used Lay on Hands on Frodo.

>>723752458
Have a link to that read about Saruman sucking at military command, anon?

>>723752458
Isn't there a thing about the Maiar who became the wizards getting some sort of memory wipe so they wouldn't truly know the extent of their true power and origin, as a failsafe for the possibility of corruption?
Speculating about "would be"s always have these kind of problems but as far as possible ringbearers go, Saruman was definitely the most dangerous to Sauron.

>>723752708
lets just say... it was benis and bagina... if you catch my drift

>>723752629
Something bad, like the fellowship being drawn into a bigger fight and Gandalf using the ring. Everything was part of Eru's meme plan, you see.

>>723741918
The ring will draw you into wraith-world which is something that makes you invisible to shit not also in wraith-world.
Sam didn't have the ring against Shelob and always had the courage, it was on his breast not his finger when the orc confusing him for an elf-warrior.

>>723752775
Elaborate

>>723752629
Who knows. What would've happened if Bilbo refused to go on a quest?

>>723743894
Fuck i quit right at two towers I couldn't put up with it.
Might start again but I'll just fucking skip the forest chapter in fotr

>>723752815
well you see there was a vagina and this guy was putting his penis into it over and over. some boobs too even

>>723752629
Frodo would have departed regardless.
The main difference would have been Denethor never giving up.

If the Ring grants powers proportional to the being who wields it, why did it also turn Isildur invisible, when he was a full-blooded Numenorean?

>>723750624
D&D retroactively justifies that wizard needs good sleep to cast more spells.
Gandalf casted so many spells that he got memory loss.

>>723752629
If I remember right even Gandalf didn't have a real plan after the point where they would have passed through Lorien, it's pretty fucking hard to say.

>>723728908 (OP)
Jade Curtiss but he was nerfed by the antagonists hardcore.
Always the wizards, man.

>>723740776
He's too powerful and he's too wise. He knows how powerful he is and he knows perfectly well just what he could do with the ring, all the great and good deeds he could bring about, he knows perfectly just what a "paradise" he could make.

He could fix everything wrong in the world, he could make it all better he could... It took a great deal of effort for him to resist the ring.

Same as Galadriel, because in resisting it, she accepts that she'll lose her Kingdom and her pride, no longer will be become the Queen of the Elves, she'll return to just being another Elf. She finally passes her test of vanity and allows herself to be humbled, accepting her return to Valla.

>>723751291
I do like ASOIAF, even if the notion that GRRM is the "anti-Tolkien" is laughable, so it's a shame that its lasting legacy will be that it never finished

>>723743081
There's always a bigger chad.

>>723752975
&id=6156862 on xxx

>>723752932
He never really wielded it, he didn't even really get what it was. He was taking it to Elrond when it bailed on him.

why does the one ring give shitty redundant abilities to it's holder that are completely useless to sauron himself?
what good is a ring that slows your aging in the most shitty way to an actual true immortal who can just regenerate their body any time they are physically killed?

>>723728908 (OP)
I hate it

>>723753219
I think the abilities it gives are different depending on the wielder

>>723753134
>low res
pathetique, witness my power

https://mega.nz/folder/1hd1lBxD#pu9pzX6sf1vYMxsRZtxLdw/file/x1kEjaiA

>>723752279
>Tulkas was created by Eru with the other Ainur and sang in the Song of the Ainur, and chose to enter Eä. His spirit was wandering Ea and did not participate in the formation of Arda with the other Valar: He heard of their First War with Melkor 1500 Valian Years after their arrival, and descended to them from the far heavens. The Dark Lord might have defeated the Valar by himself, but hearing the sound of Tulkas' laughter and beholding his wrath, Melkor fled before him.

>"So came Tulkas the Strong, whose anger passes like a mighty wind, scattering cloud and darkness before it." -Quenta Silmarillion, "Of the Beginning of Days"

>Tulkas you arrived?!
>I am here to beat the ever living fuck out of Melkor!
>Awesome he's over there.
>FUCK YEAH LET'S GOOOOOOOOO!!!!! HAHAHA! MORGOTH YOU FUCKING NERD I'M HERE TO KICK YOUR STUPID BITCH ASS!

>>723753219
It's not really "giving abilities" so much as side effects of being so close to the very essence of a Maiar.

>>723753219
It's like asking why a magical sword can also be used as a mirror because it's shiny. That's a use to lesser beings who can't quite grasp its true uses.

Gandalf the White... Gandalf the GAY

>>723752708
That tall vampire chick from REVII getting fucked in missionary position, legs up.

Where is the next Tolkien to write for our impoverished times?

>>723752458
Could the Witch-king even defy Sauronman if he mastered the One? Would complete mastery of the Ring in turn bend the Nazgul to his will in place of Sauron?

Why didn't Elrond just push Isildur into the lava instead of letting him walk away with the Ring?

>>723753452
literacy is dead, and the zoomer killed it.

>I would have followed you my brother...
>My captain...
>My King.

>>723753536
because he was an 8ft tall super chad that just walked away from a fight that left Elendil and Gil-Galad dead.

>>723753536
Isildur was a major badass so it wouldn't be easy.

>>723743571
Gandalf is WAY friendlier in the movies. It was kind'a a shock to re-read the books and remember "Oh right, he's a big fucking grouch half the time." It's a serious quest and he takes it seriously, but still, guy's kind'a rude.

>>723753452
I always wondered if that last line implied Tolkien wanted other people to create in Middle-earth. If so I feel he'd definitely revise that opinion if he were alive today.

>>723753492
You can't master the Ring. It has only one master. You would use it, and it would evebtually find a way to betray you in favor of Sauron.

>>723746913
>>723747408
nigga english is my second language and i could clearly tell that gimli was gonna throw hands if Eomer kept talking shit about Galadriel

>>723743672
I love the books but the movies are very dear to me, and it makes me sad that we can never get anything like it again, because you simply wouldn't be allowed to make a faithful LotR movie these days.

>Need to have prominent women
>Need to have diverse (read Black, it always means Black) characters

>>723753662
He intended for it to become public domain after his death.

>>723751291
Tolkien mogged fatso at his own game

>>723753219
it turns mortal "invisible" as a side effect of allowing mortals to enter the spirit realm. For already powerful beings like Sauron or Tom Bombadil it doesn't make them invisible because they can already effect the spirit realm so it's like a buff.

To use an analogy, it's like the hobbits found a fighter jet armed with nuclear bombs, but they don't know how to pilot it or make it take off or make it fire so as far as they understand it it's just a car that moves kind of fast on the ground.

>>723753679
That's not how it's stated. It's implied that Sauron could be defeated/destroyed, but the new ringbearer would become a roughly equivalent dark lord. Another interpretation is that the ring is most of Sauron, and what's outside the ring is only a fragment.

>>723753737
brother, what is the source for what you say

>>723753737
As it should be. Instead only Amazon/WOTC/hollywood get to use it. Disgusting.

Hey good timing, I spent my weekend watching the extended cut which I hadn't watched maybe in 10 years lol. This is the peak of cinema and will never be surpassed:
https://youtu.be/7lwJOxN_gXc?si=CK9mzFzTalNyQR77&t=211

>>723753679
It seeks to do the most harm. In Isildur's case it meat betraying him.
In Galadriel or Gandalf's case it would have meant influencing them to wickedness through good intentions.

>>723753773
Sauron can be destroyed, bodily, and has been many times. He is a Maiar. He doesn't die.
The Ring is his backup plan. You might take the Ring, kill Sauron, and rule for a long while, but Sauron will never fail to exist, and the Ring will always seek to return to him and restore him to greater power. That's why destroying the Ring leaves Sauron only a powerless spirit of malice.

>>723744252
Just thinking about this shit depresses me.

>Of course the only white Elf in the entire set is Arwen
>Obviously Aragorn is black
>Yes, minority always, always means black
>Stop noticing

>>723753536
Because Isildur was the descendant of Elronds Twin brother Elros and he saw what Kinslaying over rings did to his family and the Elves as a whole.

>>723753884
Can horses really just run through people like that?

>>723728908 (OP)
Gandalf the White vs Shaggy Blanco

Who wins?

>>723744405
Same reason Elves have been downgraded from basically DemiGods to what we see of them in fantasy now. Because DnD needed things to be "balanced."

So an Elf with 200 years of combat experience is just as strong as a lv1 Warrior. So now Elves are always caricaturised as arrogant, but without any feats to actually back that up. Meanwhile, in LotR Legolas could do shit that nobody else could and it was just normal.

>>723754043
Yes, but the goal was to force the humans to move rather than plow them over. They put blinders on the horses so they can't see where they're charging, and most defenders will break rank when a giant horse is charging at them.

>>723754013
Even in the books after the ring is destroyed you see the spirit of Sauron rise up before the wind of Manwe blows him away for good same with Saruman.

>>723754043
Not really. Even well trained horses were notoriously difficult to make charge into enemies.

>>723754043
warhorses are big and heavy as fuck

>>723754042
Based Elrond.

Alright before the thread dies can anyone suggest any RPGs that capture the sense of adventure of LOTR

>>723754196
We Tolkien nerds cooled probably explain it away by the Rohirrem being the best horse trainers ever and something like because horses served the Valar fighting the forces of Evil gave them a hate buff to run down orcs. Or something like that.

>>723754294
Dragon's Dogma

>>723742239
>ladder boxes
they're called siege towers you ignoramus

>when Sean Bean was afraid of flying helis, he went up the mountain fully geared in movie outfit instead
Absolute Unit that man

>>723730071
All the Hobbits are GOATed except the entire Sackville-Baggins lineage.

>>723753645
To be fair, he's been around for over 2,000 years surrounded by retards while trying to be as patient and understanding as possible, and now one of the most important quests in history is happening a non-insignificant number of them are still acting like retards

>>723754294
Not sure if it's what you're looking for, but Sil is great and has nice authentic-ish Tolkien lore.

>>723744691
I am 100% convinced Gandalf's body just died when it hit the water, he became an unshackled ainur which was allowed because the only thing he was influencing was another ainur, beat the shit out of a balrog for a week, then passed on and get sent back as the white some limiters back on.

I once had a dream where there was a Japanese anime adaptation of LotR, and the episode where Sam defeats Shelob was being spammed everywhere with a bunch of Sam gigachad edits and making fun of Shelob.

>>723745051
Gollum is a hell of a character.

>>723728908 (OP)
>main enemy is lore wise actually a pathetic joke character (his made up language was a parody and the main battle between good and evil already happened, he had to sit it out because a dog bit him)
>the other one suffered a psychosis from smoking too much Shire weed, even forged his own fucking ring that did absolutely nothing, started to wear weird stuff and was long overdue for a therapy

>>723752175
This. I wish we could have more games or threads that require a barrier of entry that actually somewhat gatekeeps people naturally. Drawfag threads come to mind as the standard tourist has to actually use their brain

>>723754679
SARUMAN of M A N Y C O L O R S

>>723738108
Gesundheit!

>>723754613
>Japanese anime adaptation of LotR
Japan fucking loves Wizardry and they made Record of Lodoss War, so that's not too far fetched

>>723754679
Sauronman was a little bitch. Grandelf blazed it erryday and still completed his quest with minimal side effects (just some memory loss and irritability when he couldn't get his medicine).

>>723751789
Surprised it didn't get deleted immediately like the other one yesterday.

>>723754812
Yeah, but people were posting about it like it was Dragon Ball or something, which was the notable part of the dream.

>>723752175
I think pajeets just don't care about fantasy. We had a power metal thread not long ago and it was the same, just a friendly chat without trolling nor way too much shitposts. It was nice, I miss when the internet was always like that

>>723753293
>gay jannies nuke spoilered tits and pussy but leave a link to it up

?

>>723754776
missed opportunity in the movies
but you'd had to explain the other 3 wizards

>>723740308
>>723729315
>not summoning the ghost army with Aragorn

>>723745483
They did, Gondor colonised Mordor for hundreds (thousands?) of years.

The point is that their power has waned. The Numenorians are no more, the throne of Ilildur is broken, the two great cities are divided. And so, one by one, the fortresses fell.

Look at stuff like Minas Ithil (Tower of the Moon), it's now Minas Morgul (tower of Sorcery). Look at the Dunedain, reduced to barrow wights (although they got their revenge).

>>723754771
Untranslated games threads do that, sort of. Funny, considering with an extremely basic grammar knowledge and an OCR or text extractor you can already follow some of them comfortably

>>723752838
nigga the chapters with merrin and the tree are the best. comfy as fuck.

>>723751789
>>723752175
I'm considering getting into lotr now. Where do I start?

>>723754679
>"Yes, my people did call me Sharky. A term of endearment, I believe."
>TL NOTE: Sharky is orcish for old man.

>>723744568
the eagles would be tempted by the ring and kill frodo

>>723755074
Page 1.

>>723745669
The bigger one for me is how pointless so much of it amounts to. I was reading the history of this great battle and series of victories a while back, and it all just ended in a status quo with no shift in the geopolitical landscape. Thousands lost their lives, homes were ransacked, men slain, women raped and for nothing.

>>723755074
You read The Hobbit, then LotR.

>>723755074
Read The Hobbit, then the Lord of the Rings books.

>>723754812
Didn't Amazon commisioned an anime LOTR spinoff already? Never looked up the studio though so I could be wrong

I remember a LOTRfag from a general I used to browse who liked French elves. I miss that guy.

I got a youtube short the other week, is it actually a thing that Elves in LotR still perceive the world as flat and that's why they can see further?

>>723755074
You start with the Amazon LOTR series then you watch the Hobbit movies, then you sit and wait patiently for the next adaptation

>>723754989
I don't think Gondor ever had any power over Mordor. I think it's the other way around, Mordor expanded and took stuff like Minas Ithil and other advanced outposts from Gondor.

>>723755074
watch the LOTR movies, if you like them read the books (hobbit + lotr). Skip the hobbit movies

>>723755083
>he didn't cast Sharknado
>not even once
Ruined tRotK for me

>>723755074
play the gamecube games

>>723755074
>I'm considering getting into lotr now. Where do I start?
"This book is largely concerned with Hobbits [...]"

>>723745051
Gollum canonically would have had the will to jump into Mt. Doom with the ring voluntarily, an insane feat. Sadly Frodo and Sam couldn't befriend him and now he will never get any respect.

>>723755187
I don't think that's a thing, elves are just better than humans in every way
but the world was flat originally

>>723755161
yea picrel. Haven't watched it

>>723754613
There is a japanese adapation of LotR, sort of. Rankin Bass used Topcraft to animate The Hobbit and The Return of the King.

>thread sinking
courage anons, courage for our friends!

>>723755309
He did. He was merely pretending to dance.

>>723755426
DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATH

>>723755236
where are they going

>>723755005
Just goes to show that the stat chart for board IQs was right. /v/ really might be an average IQ of 94 if they get filitered by a book

>>723755475
Valinor

>>723749123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx1PCWkOb3Y

>>723746560
This is still much funnier than all brainrot shit in the world

>lotr
>but not the superior series

>>723745867
>>723746082
The important thing for me isn't just that they made the movies, it's that they had so much goddamn care for the source and the story to go

>Look, we're gonna need to make some changes and chop some things out for a theatrical release, it won't fit and space for action because this is a movie for a wide audience
>But book fans are still going to want those scenes, and they should be part of the story
>So, while we're all here, all in character and costume and with these sets built, let's film them anyway while KNOWING they'll all be cut
>We'll put them out as DvD Extended Editions for fans

And he was 100% correct, the theatrical cut couldn't be 4hrs long, but goddamn the EE help a lot if you're a LotR fan enough to actually care about the details. Sucks that no other series can get an adaption by someone who cares enough to do that. Sucks that even LotR can't get that kind'a adaption these days. Rings of Power rips off fucking Dragon Age.

>>723755474
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSUUUUUU

damn, hobbits look like THAT?!

>>723755616
>magical artifacts show up out of nowhere to resolve the crisis because "power of love" - the series
nah it's shit

>>723752273
yeah bro this work by a turn of the century devout English Catholic totally appeals to the /v/ sensibilities

>>723755742
>Let's hit the road!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFjE5A4UAJI

>>723755161
>>723755329
It had decent animation but they just HAD to fuck it up by making a girlboss main character out of a literally who background nobody. They just can't help themselves. Don't bother.

>>723755742
>pov: you are a fertile elvish woman out for a morning stroll

>>723751258
>but he sent his forces out to be sure of victory in case he or Gandalf did master some of the rings powers.
I wonder did he have any doubts as the battle went on.

>>723755864
The animation was complete dogshit outside of fight scenes. That's how all modern animation is, everything is a powerpoint presentation except the fight scenes so the studios can plaster that on youtube and their paid shills can gush over how fluid it is.

>>723751291
>fat sewer mutant looking retard can write nothing except Tolkien but depraved and disgusting
>dude what if most people were complete sociopaths lmao

>>723747309
It's unironically an homage and you're meant to pick up the details. He took ancient poems and myths and created what was meant to be a British version of one.

>>723745925
retard

>>723747585
This.

>>723749284
It's basically

>You say you want to shake my hands, but keep your other hand behind your back.
>Show me what's in it.

>>723745925
It's probably because you're a low iq favela monkey zoomer who can't fathom anyone ever being able to be well-read and well-versed in the english language to go on and include it in their vernacular. You're welcome to fuck off back to your gacha threads monkey.

>>723747420
It's a fact that all consciousness is derived from Eru. He imparted it on 4 races, Ainur, Elves, Humans, plus Dwarves as an unplanned bonus.

However, the story is full of offshoots of other clearly sapient beings. As they could not have gotten that way without God, how are they all related? Some, like hobbits and orcs, are elaborated, but there's a lot of shit.

My theory is that a lot are merely minor ainur, inhabiting physical forms until they forget what they once were. Ents, talking animals, vampires, werewolves, etc. Ungoliant for sure was some fucked up void corrupted ainur like Morgoth, just embodied in a giant fuck off spider. She probably refused to play in the song rather than change the notes.

>>723749348
Damn, good point. That's kind'a cool.

>>723755864
The bigger flaw to me was how it relied on the Jackson movies in terms of not only the setting but also the shots of Edoras and Helm's Deep. Less offensive than Amazon's tv series and forgettable.

>>723755864
>filtered by female aragorn
You're ngmi

>>723755616
>posting that shit
Fuck off. Raymond E. Feist's Riftwar saga, hell, all of his books, are where it's at.

are orcs and goblins the same thing in LOTR?

>>723755742
source?

>>723756960
Basically they are, but there are many types of orc/goblin.

>>723749610
>>723749663
>>723750665
Elrond basically considers it Frodo's destiny. The ring's fate is already entwined with his, he's shown an ability to hold it and a responsibility to treat it as an important task. He was fully within his rights to refuse, but it was one of those "We believe you're the one that needs to do this." things.

The more interesting thing to me is that neither Frodo nor Sam believed that they could win, they didn't at all think that their quest was possible. There's a part in the books where Sam points out to Frodo that they're eating their rations too freely, they won't have enough for the journey home- Frodo laughs and says "Do you really think that's gonna be an issue?" Sam kind'a backs down and agrees, "No, probably not."

They both fully understand that this mission is an impossible quest, that they'll get caught, they'll have the ring taken from them and they'll suffer unimaginable pain and torture before they die. And yet, they just do it anyway, without stopping or wavering, without turning back or turning aside, because it needs to be done.

A lot of people write Frodo off in favour of Sam, but I love how "Stiff upper lip" he was about it. Sam would have gone home if it was an option, if Frodo was okay with it. Frodo's the one that left them no option but to go forwards.