Thread 723778163

He was never refuted.

>>723778163 (OP)
He blows

post it

>>723778163 (OP)
Has he ever made a good game?

>>723778163 (OP)
>i haven't done anything videogame related in over 10 years but here's my impression from watching a video
Thanks, braid-guy

Jonathan Blow is just a big tube full of poop. See how I can devalue something just by saying "just a thing full of a thing".

>>723778163 (OP)
Because the fascist is actually right for once.

>>723778163 (OP)
He said a stupid thing without argument.

>>723778163 (OP)
Who? He made one (1) mediocre game. Not saying he is wrong because Dark Souls sucks but his opinion is irrelevant.

>>723778267
hmm? he plays more games than /v/

Your brain on magatards

>WHAT HE SAID ISN'T WRONG BUT I DON'T LIKE HIM SO THAT MEANS WHAT HE SAID IS WRONG!!!

He's not really wrong. No one seriously thinks Elden Ring is better than the games that came before it.

Elden Reddit

>>723778264
I thought The Looker was a pretty good puzzle game.

>>723778297
Not Elden Ring clearly

>>723778318
I already beat you to it find another reddit-tier bait.
>>723778280

>>723778163 (OP)
How well did his game about game design sell again?

>>723778163 (OP)
I have a script for a video that refutes this, but I'm tired of recording and editing the footage.

Realistically how do you recover from being blown out this hard

>>723778163 (OP)
trvke

>>723778318
>>723778342
Just because there is not a story told with "modern story telling techniques" does not mean there is no design at all. The problem is the statement is not factual, but it has a meaning given to it by what he feels, but he cant articulate what he means for it. You "understand" (using the word loosely here) what he means by it because you 'feeel' the same way, even if in the literal sense there is well thought out game design in the the game.

>>723778163 (OP)
stupid. video game is just lights and noises that make your monkey brain respond favorably.

>>723778163 (OP)
The witness is an empty map you walk around with a bunch of ipads on stands to do puzzles. What's his point?

This dude is a lolcow and he doesn't realize it.

Blown out by Soulja boy and blown out by the looker. His programming language was blown out by LLMs making it obsolete.

He will rope one day.

>>723778163 (OP)
...uhm stormcastle has more gamedesign to it than any game this fraud ever farted out

>>723778318
he is literally wrong and you just defend him because of who he is

>>723778703
All of the legacy dungeon places mog the fuck out of everything he's made

>>723778163 (OP)
This faggot definitely didn't summon mimic tear for every boss

He didn't even make it to margit

>>723778163 (OP)
It obviously has design and is more than a flat featureless map with bosses. There are varied environments, hidden ambushes, secret passages, dangerous elements, art, environmental story telling, and thematic choices. He's being outspoken and exaggerating for effect, where he means there is design and it actually has a lot of different interesting things and looks rather than being all unified and/or being completely innovative.

So that's his criticism. It doesn't all look the same, and he doesn't see innovation because it's not constantly reused everywhere and he'd have to look for it, so he insults it. It's an argument from ignorance and ridiculous preferences.

>>723778163 (OP)
>Mindbroken by Soulja Boy

>huge map full of a bunch of bosses
he's just being a reductionist faggot. elden ring has tons of environmental storytelling and the map is laid out to guide you to areas that expose you to significant landmarks. you can even see your destination in the distance like an isolated fortress, a tower, a lake, there's so many different types of elevation to support it. it's compositionally brilliant in that regard.

>>723778297
Please. His playtime in ER was embarassing. Look I get it he is a gamedev. He spends his time doing programmer stuff. He doesnt play 10,000 hrs of videogames like us. He never went through demons souls and dark souls. So he isnt going to have the skillset or the basic understanding of searching for ores to level up weapons or finding how to effeciently grind to level up. He doesnt understand the game he tried playing and gave up in limgrave.

this is the same guy who got filtered HARD by a basic boss in poe2

jonathan deez nuts

It's insane how hard he triggers your average faggot /v/edditor.

>>723779419
>memed by editing

>>723778163 (OP)
from the man who brought you Witness, a huge map full of a bunch of abstract puzzles

>>723779667
>Talking about playtime like it's a valid metric by which you're allowed to dislike something
You fags are the worst honestly. If someone's hours are too low, you criticize them by saying they didn't put enough time in to know they don't like it, but then if they put in the hours to finish it, you call them out for not dropping it earlier if they didn't like it. Go fuck yourself.

>>723778550
Bro its a from soft game. Not only is half the plot going to get cut out and the rest of the game is stitched together from scraps, but you've got some fat retard who doesnt even speak the same language in creative control. the plot is total gobbledygook. I mean literally, GRRM is the Gobbledy and Miyazaki is the Gook.

>>723778163 (OP)
The same is true of all openworld slop. The main advantage of openworld slop is that it sounds big and like it would require a big budget, but a significant portion of it is a procedurally generated heightmap you can make in half an hour. It's a good way to milk publishers and investors by begging for extensions on a project that you fucked up and won't finish on time.
>>723778845
The game would be better if it just stapled the legacy dungeons together and eschewed the open world, but the development wasn't sufficiently planned out to do more than just plop them semi-randomly in the world without resorting to the DaS2 approach of using corridors, elevators and warps to do it.
>>723779403
He is always outspoken and exaggerating, but he's not strictly wrong in this case. A stopped clock is right twice a day.

>>723778163 (OP)
that lil jay rapper or whatever broke him forever so you need to be careful when you take jonathan blow criticism at face value but there is a good chance what he said is true

>>723779704
which one? The king in the mist?

yeah thats pretty much the point

>>723778163 (OP)
So glad the clique he's associated with has less influence on the industry than ever before.

So wasn't his sokoban game close to releasing? Whatever happened to that? I heard one of his employees committed suicide, so it better be good.

>>723779807
That sounds like a good game.

Fromsoft RAPED and GAPED the modern games industry. No wonder a nepobaby, journolover, california-hivemind drone like him would be so assblasted.

>>723780689
It's great

The more I play Elden Ring the more I am convinced that not just the teleport gates, but even Torrent wasn't part of the original design. The map doesn't make any sense with either, but makes a lot of sense when you're on foot and can't skip sections. All the geography and item/NPC placement starts forming a picture of coherent intentional design.

>>723780741
Anyone who thinks Metacritic scores have meaning is retarded anyway.
If you aggregate x reviews from x people who did not play the game, you will not get an accurate score, no matter how large of a number x is.

>>723780148
>The game would be better if it just stapled the legacy dungeons together and eschewed the open world
So like every other fromsoft souls game. Open world is a meme.

>>723778163 (OP)
literally whomst?

>>723778267
anither victim of make your own engine meme

>>723778163 (OP)
Without a functioning definition of "real' design it isn't refutable.

>>723779840
No I literally watched him play it and can see his thought process and it makes his criticism invalid because he doesnt understand the game he is playing. Yes you need to play videogames to learn and understand things as a player. Thats a different set of skills than being a gamedev. How is that hard to understand?

Faggot.
And I wouldnt do the imagined scenario in your head. Im dont care if someone drops a game. We are discussing Jon Blow's review of elden ring. I have never made a comment about how someone should have dropped a game he didnt like for playing it too long. Maybe someone said that to you and you got frustrated. But your emotional outburst brings no argument to the table, and imagines some madeup thing I might say. You classify me as 'you people'. Shut the fuck up until you learn how to think.

>>723779667
ok, so how long do I have to stare at dogshit before Im allowed to say its dogshit?

>>723778163 (OP)
He's right. At first it gave a solid sense of adventure but devolved into a boss rush. I had more fun with nightreign because it felt honest about what the game actually is.

Elden mid...worst game Fromsoft has ever made...

>>723778297
>>723779840
look we get it, you are mad your shit take got criticized.

>>723779667
He didn't go to Demon's Souls Academy like me.

>>723778163 (OP)
Isn't this the guy that cried on camera when Soulja Boy played his game?

Pretty sure that's just some out of context comment made at the start of his playthrough of it, I recall some guy sperging out about it on here before and getting called out on it.
I don't really look to him for views on games though, it's his programming stuff that is on-point.

>>723783879
Yes, except that didn't actually happen.

>>723778163 (OP)
I would literally respect this opinion more if it came from X (formerly twitter) (formerly chucks)

>>723778370
You're an idiot then

Lol

The guy blows but he is right. Elden Ring is shit. The design is essentially ubislop where you just put random shit on a big map with no rhyme or reason. The only ''fun'' is the boss fights. Elden Ring could just be game where you just select a boss and fight it.
The last game these Jap morons made with any kind of cohesion and design was Dark Souls. Which is not to say it was well designed or a good game, but it had a structure. It was a linear game disguised as an open world game and that part they did well.

>>723778519
> how do you recover
You don't need to, because this had zero to do with The Witness other than being a visually-similar that completely didn't get the thing it was parodying

>>723778291
> one (1)

He made one (1) good indie then went on to make one (1) more rock solid puzzle game built on a foundation of inferred rule induction and pattern recognition through non-verbal communication and observation.

Infinitely more designed than ER (his criticisms weren't wrong, it basically is just a huge map with a bunch of bosses and some supposed lore than has to be made up by the community to look smart)

>>723784027
if you don't like the game you can just not play it you know
you don't have to write some retarded theory that mostly boils down to confessing you're blind to design
even trash mob spawns in the open world are very obviously placed to achieve specific gameplay scenarios

>>723778163 (OP)
Yes, he's correct, it's a open world without anything interesting going on except for the bosses. The only truly good souls game was the first one.

it's hard to take blow's opinions on games seriously even if he's accidentally right sometimes.
Solely because he doesn't actually like games, he likes puzzles.
Which is why his games are merely front-ends for solving puzzles.

kinda funny how the best game of hour time makes chuddies seethe so much

>>723780741
You're insane if you think that Blow is a part of their clique.
He's basically been blacklisted from "the club" for being too chuddly

Much like Terry Davis, whom he is slowly transforming into

>>723778291
>I have an opinion
>his opinion is irrelevant

>>723778163 (OP)
Isn't that the same guy who had a Phil fish style hissy fit because there are games that don't need a pretentiously gay story and have actually fun gameplay? It's been like 15 years but I'm pretty sure that was what happened still.

>>723778163 (OP)
And braid is just levels filled with platforms. See how easy it is to be reductive?

>>723778163 (OP)
blow wishes he made project nortubel

>>723778163 (OP)
Open world is a plague and a detriment to any game that isn't going hard on total sandbox or lifesim elements, but as far as open worlds in the wrong kind of game goes, Elden Ring does it the best. It actually managed to have some level design and included significant content, not just pure dogshit lowest effort copy paste to fill it.

>>723778163 (OP)
The power of Elden Ring and From to make shitty western developers and UX designsrs seethe and shit there pants is perhaps the most valuable and wonderful thing I've gotten from video games in the last 20 years.

>>723778370
my favorite thing about the looker is that jon hates it, even though the game's creator looks up to him. he's got such a thin skin it's amazing

>>723778163 (OP)
He's correct, it's not "design" it's placement, forced and arbitrary progression.

First playthrough was kino though

The formula is meh for multiple ones though, since 90% of the shit at the end of a catacomb doesn't fit your build

>>723778163 (OP)
Because he's right and fromtroons get their sensitive little feefees hurt.

Hidetaka Miyazaki crying in a dark room about Jonathan Blow misunderstanding of Elden Ring

>>723778163 (OP)
He's not wrong

>>723778163 (OP)
Why is this faggot so disgustingly ugly?

>>723784027
>Oh no the game didn't railroad me through set pieces! It has no design!

>>723778163 (OP)
He is right, Elden Ring is just a series of 1v1 duels against ugly giant monsters in empty arenas that are tied together by a huge gameworld filled with nothing.

In the field we call this "perfection".

>>723778163 (OP)
He's 100% correct

>>723779667
Even if that is all true, it's irrelevant as ER gives players such a gross amount of options and ways to tweak their difficulty. ER is (or at least CAN be) the easiest modern From title if you just allow yourself to use the strong and easier shit. Did this dickhead just play basic 2H STR and use no AoW, no spirits etc and then complain it's hard?

>>723778163 (OP)
4chan poster on why The Witness has no 'real' design: "It's a big map full of a bunch of puzzles"

He's right, of course, and 4troons are wrong (as usual). Elden Slop sacrificed what truly made Souls great (dungeon crawling) for an open world streamer bait boss gauntlet.

>>723778163 (OP)
>He was never refuted.
He's technically true, soulshit is usually really mediocrily made, that's been that way since the beginning.

>>723786475
Oh he didn't get far at all, like, an hr or 2 of casual gameplay. Some-what fair enough as if you're casual/blind playthrough, you can have a rough time at the very start as there are a bunch of roaming enemies and areas that are not meant to be fought at the start. It's kinda like an old MMO where you 'can' go anywhere, but you will be stomped. That's the issue with many people, they experience like 0.5% of a game but talk big about it. Compare your image to the OP, great contrast.

>>723779667

>He never went through demons souls and dark souls. So he isnt going to have the skillset or the basic understanding of searching for ores to level up weapons or finding how to effeciently grind to level up.
Games shouldn't rely on you having played the previous one to know what to do.
>He doesnt understand the game he tried playing
Then the game has failed. It's not my job to look up what I'm supposed to do. The game should explain it to me, either in an outright tutorial or preferably naturally through gameplay. If the devs aren't able to do that, the game is bad, at least in that particular aspect.

>>723786558
That was during the fight with the red wolf or radahon. He played it more than just 2h

>>723778163 (OP)
>1pbtid

Guy says thing in a hours long stream about coding and games
Someone makes a youtube clip out of it
A bot makes a written article about it
4chan individuals read the article headline and respond to it on 4chan with ad hominems

And what point do you think things went wrong

>>723786589
ER is extremely normie friendly compared to the rest of the series, and yet brainlets like you still demand they be dumbed down further to cater to your every whim.
Just admit you are too retarded to understand the easiest souls game and go play something else.

>>723786534
Empty statement doesn't have to be refuted since no point was made.

>>723784212
I'll give you this: if the game was well reviewed by everything but americans, it must be an excellent game.

>>723778163 (OP)
what's a real design
is he another butthurt souls purist?

>>723778163 (OP)
Don't know who that is but he's right.
ER is just a clusterfuck of a bunch of DS3/Sekiro assets slapped together.
Nothing in that game is balanced.

>>723778163 (OP)
>>723778297
What games does he actually like?

>>723783414
Until it fertilizes a garden

>akshually, this massively successful and highly praised game that essentially defined this generation of videogames and is loved by millions is bad. I should know about videogames! I made this shitty pixelshit game that no one played!
Jon Blow is /v/ incarnate. Is that why you guys hate him so much?

>>723789075
>tfw nobody hates /v/ more than /v/
Poetic, bros.

>>723788782
he doesn't like any video games
he's worse than /v/ when it comes to finding a reason to hate everything and complain about it

>>723778163 (OP)
>A 2deep4u 2D platformer dev has an opinion on a video game
I yawned so hard I accidentally dislocated my jaw and swallowed one of my monitors. Luckily I have good insight, so it won't bother me much.

>>723790214
Kirby?

>>723779403
Yes, the exact same design as Dark Souls, but with the freedom to simply ignore anything that challenges you

>>723784036
Johhny Blow is in the thread lmao

>>723790296
Poyo?

>>723778163 (OP)
Its true

ER's map/world is huge and great.
But all you can do to interact with it is killing shit with your sword

The only variety in gameplay is that you can kill shit with a club instead, or maybe some sparkling shit. All hundreds of weapons and spells just serve the same purpose and the difference is very superficial

Which sucks because Souls combat is fucking bland and simple.

From should try making an Immersive Sim instead. They got the great atmospheric and detailed worlds. They just need to out actual interesting gameplay instead.

>>723789075
>that essentially defined this generation of videogames
>frombronies actually believe this

>>723778163 (OP)
>full of bosses
yeah but it doesnt have enough bosses

>>723790553
>Immersive Sim
meme genre that only PC boomers like
everyone who's played deus ex and not blinded by nostalgia realizes those games are shit

>>723778280
Facists are always right. Thats why facist is a complement

>>723790553
they used to make one of those adventure games. It called dark souls or something, idk

>>723790667
> everyone
Sub 90 IQ isn't "everyone".

>>723778163 (OP)
His bg3 stream made me believe that he is a giant pretentious faggot

>>723778163 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWqnz-7iQbY
He refuted himself.

>>723791720
you couldn't tell from the games he made or all his other streams?

>>723778163 (OP)
That criticism applies to nearly all open world games, that might as well be flat plains with the occasional impassable rectangle to go around for all the terrain actually matters. ER at least has some actual level design with its few "legacy" dungeons.

>>723791720
Didn't you already knew this from playing his games?

>>723790694
Ah, yes, the multiple times losers are always right. Remind me again how you got beat by mouth breathing, lucky strike smoking shitkickers and commie slaves again.

>>723791867
>>723791720
I didn't watch other streams, and his games are fine, even if they are pretentious, but at least they are somewhat fun to play, look good and well optimized. But that stream was so bad, he started the game with no intention to play it or immerse in it, he shat on it like was boiling with envy. He skipped all dialogue, cutscenes, button mashed like a angry basedboy and after 10 minutes left the game. Like wtf did you expect from an rpg? I don't understand how can you be in the industry and have absolutely 0 respect for work of other devs.

>>723792019
>>723792545

>>723787134
And now I can't find an archive of the USgamer review because they're gone and I'm yet to find a copy of the review to launch at the americans.

>>723779667
So is all the hate for ER just people who were gatekept by Limgrave(kek)?

>>723790694
>I-is that a 12 gauge!!!
>Aiiieeeee Hitler-sama save us its so inhumane
Name one successful fascist country
It's as effective of an ideology as communism is.

The real design in question that Elden Ring is missing.

>>723791972
The terrain in Elden Ring also tends to be a little more varied and three-dimensional. It does a lot to change up combat and exploration. You can compare it to something like ToTK's open world and see just how much design actually went into it.

>>723790553
King's Field V immersive sim NEVER

>>723792925
>12 gauge
>hitler
???

>>723792925
Japan.

If they were white, Amerimutts would call them Nazis.

>>723790553
just like in morrowind

t. game is a bunch of puzzles in an open world
at least elden ring has some (5%) design put into it

>copies Mario 1:1
>gets blown to pieces by a small time rapper
>doesn't make a game ever again
Imagine blowing this guy so hard when he never made a single game worth playing through. No wonder this place sucks his pecker, he hates video games just like the browntards who browse here.

>>723778163 (OP)
I don't even hate Blow but he's giga pretensious and that statement is retarded.

>>723778163 (OP)
>"That Minecraft. I don't get it. It's just a bunch of cubes."

>>723794359
pretentious* kms

>>723778163 (OP)
This is functionally the same as Phil "your games just suck" Fish being extremely obtuse while lacking any self awareness.

Just because he's coping doesn't mean that isn't a genuine flaw of elden ring

>>723778163 (OP)
I mean he's right

ITT:
>open world game, western
:|
>open world game, japan
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>723778519
Just because you satirize something doesn't mean your criticism has teeth.

>>723780741
>horizon developper complaining about quest design

Its insane how explicitly astroturfed those games were. I would like to go there and personally explain to them how, despite its flaws, Elden Ring is very cool, while Horizon just fucking isnt. They had one cool idea, which is robot dinosaurs, and the proceeded to take the most boring decisions one after another to bury their one good concept under tonns of lame shit.

it's almost like gamers want to play a game not watch a movie

>>723795538
Then why he puts a ton of boring monologue in his games? Messing around with choices in bg3 is 10x more fun than listening to his pretentious ramblings

>>723778370
best thing is the looker was not even made by him lmao
imagine your legacy being the guy who got btfo'd by a parody game

>>723778163 (OP)
He's not wrong, but the dungeons are still kino.

>>723780741
Every single person in the screenshot is right, though. ER ran like dogshit at launch, quests are once again the "exhaust dialogue, teleport to bumfuck nowhere, exhaust, repeat until the npc dies" sort, inventory is a mess and you have to scroll through dozens of items to find the one you're looking for, it's a mess through and through.
>b-but these are the devs of open world slop
So they know their stuff when commenting on Elden Boring: Empty Fields of Nothingness.

Why does he look like he wants to steal all of my data?

>>723784236
Honestly I'm just trying to figure out how to filter threads like these because its just retard /v/faggots giving their opinions they got from youtubers and or consolewarriors. The game is fine but fags here will fume in seething rage when you say that. Its all so tiresome

>>723797709
he has that central russian/chinese mongoloid phenotype mixed with jewish hair loss

>>723786347
Enough about MH wilds

>>723778163 (OP)

This guy has an ego like Kojima when all he's ever done is 7/10 indieshit.

>>723798773
>7
a 6 being extremely generous

>>723797954
MH is just a reskin of Soulslikes with more grind instead of boss variety.

>>723797869
>>723778163 (OP)
Doesn't require losing hair

>>723778163 (OP)
From what little I've seen of his streams, he just doesn't have the mechanical skill for his opinion to be worth anything to me.