Thread 723778929

>Never tried pvp
>Try invading with bloody fingers and just get 3v1'd
>Try Taunter's Tongue instead and it ends up being extremely fun

Also, I am begging you anons invading me to level your vigor. I should not be deleting half your health bar with a running heavy attack with my twin blade. You're at least lvl 80, do better.

>>723778929 (OP)
Isn't PVP there dead? Last time I played it took me 20-30 mins to get into any kind of multiplayer, be it a white sign, blue spirit, red invader or even getting a white sign for my boss fight. Europe btw.

>>723779494
20-30 mins at best*

I'm level 500

>elden ring pvp
do people really?

>>723779494
It's slowed down a lot, will probably jump a bit as the holidays approach, but yeah it's easier to get fast arena duels than invade at this point.

>>723779494
Whether im using taunter's tongue or bloody finger I find someone within 10 mins

>>723778929 (OP)
The annoying thing about Taunter's Tongue is that it's mutually exclusive with invasions because the best way to use it is to overlevel and overupgrade for every area. Not for an advantage over invaders (you have enough of those as the host), but because of how matchmaking works.

>>723779665
I love mommy Marika so much

>>723779774
meh

>>723779494
People expect these games to last forever, but I don't know why. They're single player experiences with a roof to the content, and the multiplayer is largely tacked on.
It can be fun, but there comes a point when the game is just getting too old to expect people to still be playing the multiplayer. Games like this weren't meant to be played for fucking forever.

>>723778929 (OP)
game is missing a reason to pvp
like covenants

>>723780049
>People expect these games to last forever
what?
elden ring pvp was almost universally considered unfixable dogshit within the first month of launch
nobody expected shit from it after seeing it the first time

>>723779774
>arena
No
>invasions
Yes

>>723780049
Because for every other souls game you got a decent amount of people online so that it still worked and then people would even plan to replay the games at certain points to respark the online.

I played Dark Souls III earlier this year and its online was pretty active, Bloodbornes as as well at mid level range.

>>723780173
The Starline sword is intentionally designed for low int fags to have a magic sword.

>>723780539
I hated it until I realized that it's L2 is just a superior version of double slash that actually combos (depending on how you hit it). It's also for builds with 40 DEX and relatively low INT if you want maximum cast speed since it doesn't really scale with INT as much as it does DEX.

>>723780816
It's a really cool sword, I'm just pointing out that it's no genuine to use as a mage build because it's way more of a dex weapon.

>>723778929 (OP)
The fact that this thing hasn't been nerfed already is retarded, it should not be able to be turned off while invaders are present, faggot hosts just activate it and then deactivate it just to gank. Part of the reason PVP is dead along with not having 6 player PVP, unlike DS3 which is to this day way more active >>723779494
>>723780049

>>723779494
Miyahaki should be flogged for not including PvP area like aldritch in elden shite. No covenants either. What the fuck was that retard thinking?

>>723782073
He hates PVP, they've been making it shittier every game and worse for invaders

>>723782160
The vast majority of Souls fans fucking hate invasions.

>>723782073
The last minute scraping of the covenants is a mystery. Volcano Manor and Cessbloods were clearly intended to work like traditional covenants considering the number of wards.
It's likely Revengers were also a scrapped covenant concept.

>>723782195
I hate invasions and fight clubs but I loved PvP covenant areas like bell fuckers in 2 and aldritch in 3. They are chaotic enough to not be tryhard twinkfest/gankfest

>>723782195
You should all stop being pussies

>>723782195
>I want to be able to curbstomp whatever area im in with no drawbacks

If youre gonna coop with someone, you should run the risk of getting invaded. Elden Ring makes getting invaded a million times easier considering you can call in a third player to save your ass.

>>723778929 (OP)
>actively seeking out PvP in a souls game
Congratulations, you have gone below subhuman and reached the same level as a competitive pokemon player!

>>723784707
VERY cool anon!

>>723783741
I don't understand why invaders think they're performing some sort of rightful duty by being a nuisance specialized in wasting people's time.
If I were to use the tongue, sit around the boss fog wall, wait for the invader to show up, throw a shit pot at them and then enter the boss arena I'd be doing to invaders exactly what they do with the people they invade.

>>723785432
Anon nobody cares about you. This self persecution angle is frankly crazy. People invade because its fun to PVP. It's not because people have it out for you. If you wanna waste invaders time and mess with them by immediately entering the boss area then do it.

>>723778929 (OP)
>Dark Souls III PvP, but everyone carries an L2 nuke
I did have some fun with Taunters Tongue back then, but it quickly got old. Going back to DSIII, PvP is much more enjoyable because your enemies can't spontaneously erupt into a nuclear explosion.

>>723785832
>L2 nuke
Unironically better than DS3's R1 R1 true combo

>>723783741
>>723785432
Invaders give offline players shit for avoiding invasions but all invaders do is avoiding a proper PVP game by ambushing noobs who can't and don't want to fight back.

>>723786046
At least R1 R1 was a consistent rule. R1s can also be avoided with proper spacing because they don't make your opponent levitate in the air, spin, barf fire everywhere while simultaneously doing rapid thrusts for the next 7 seconds.

>>723786046
what the fuck is happening here

>>723785558
If it's fun to PvP then why are you invading instead of going to the arena? Or better yet, playing a game designed for PvP?
Invasions are just a waste of time for everyone involved.

>>723786351
Host had a literal meltdown because he was invaded and used Cheat Engine scripts to spam particle effects in an attempt to crash the invader's game. Ironically, this would also crash the two people he summoned.

>erm, why don't you just a REAL fighting game
Because you can't do this in fighting games

>>723786397
What makes souls invasions fun is the environment they are contained within, or better yet uncontained within. Mechanically the combat isn't that nuts if you just look at two guys rolling around one of those boring Arena rooms fishing for an opportunity to attack. However if you take that and stick it in a big varied area where you're fighting multiple people and you have to play dirty and smart while using the terrain to your advantage it gets really interesting.

>>723778929 (OP)
>getting ganked
take the STR pill anon, it will lead to you powers unforeseen, pick up the starscourges, TOGETHAA WE WILL DEVOOOUURRRR, THE VERY GODDSSUGGJHHH

>>723786204
Invaders use the level to their advantage because that's how multiplayer is designed. The mutually exclusive advantages that each multiplayer party gets are as follows.
Invaders:
>can use (some) enemies against the host and their summons
Hosts:
>can be higher level than the invader
>can have a higher weapon upgrade level than the invader
>can summon up to two players who completely ignore level and weapon level restrictions, stat requirements, and weight
>these players can one-shot invaders depending on the level range
>can infinitely summon hunters who, because of the way the matchmaking formula works, can daisy chain the host's level advantage (WebM related)
>can send their summons home to deny healing flasks to the invader
>can infinitely resummon their summons

Every other advantage one party has over the other applies to both, like having items that aren't appropriate to the level they're playing at, cheated consumables, etc.

>use Torrent to reach a place impossible to reach on foot
>taunter's tongue
>go to bed
>count the hate messages the next morning
>try to reach a new personal best

>>723786605
I wonder how many people who don't know about spawn i-frames go online and bitch about "hackers"

>>723778929 (OP)
Recusant should've been the ER version of Mound-Maker instead of just the same as the bloody finger

>>723786707
One of the many benefits of Seamless invasions is that not only are these hosts basically nonexistent, you can just use Cheat Engine to rape the ones that do still do it

>>723785432
>by being a nuisance specialized in wasting people's time.
Why not remove all enemies from the game? They're nuisances too.

>>723786397
Arenas are boring. Who wants to fight on an empty plain?

>>723786864
We should probably remove death too, or at least make it so the boss only recovers some HP between attempts. The player character is immortal after all, so it makes sense in-universe.

>>723786864
You're choosing to willingly go waste people's time. It's a voluntary action of becoming a nuisance for no reason.
Of course, I don't expect someone defending Souls PvP to understand the difference.

>>723779494
>>723780049
the older dark souls lasted much longer I still remember getting instant clock tower invasions on DS2 in 2020 and the game was 6 years old by then

DS1 also had amazing co-op and invasions on PC until remaster came out because the watch dog addon allowed you to enjoy multiplayer with zero hackers

>>723780120
yep launch month I wrote it off right away, everyone abused bleeding katanas and unlike the dark souls games it did some retarded shit like even if someone swings a bleed weapon at you and you successfully dodge it still filled the bleed bar so you could get stuck locked out of dodges very easily which then made it easy to eat full combos from 3 people at the same time all using bleed katanas.

and this isn't counting the fags who abused the new death ailment which did the same thing but now when it fills mid dodge you just instantly die

>>723788218
>everyone abused bleeding katanas
don't forget vyke's spear proccing madness through iframes

>>723788301
that also

>>723780009
>stab the ground two meters from him
>teleport onto his head
what the fuck is that hitbox

I miss the simple times.

>>723785558
>self-persecution
Youre a Faggot. It's obvious what he's saying.

>>723788218
The arc of Elden Ring PvP is as follows
>game releases
>no one knows what they're doing
>it's kino for exactly 2 or 3 days
>people discover dual straight swords, the deathblight aura glitch, the golden retaliation glitch, the invisible Carian retaliation glitch, dual naginata, etc.
>it fucking sucks
>invaders coping and seething
>a few months pass
>glitches get patched
>balance adjustments are made
>it still fucking sucks
>invaders are still coping and seething
>a few invaders realize that this is a repeat of Dark Souls 3 PvP, and the ones coping and seething simply haven't adapted to Elden Ring PvP at all
>these invaders adapt
>most people realize that Elden Ring has better PvP mechanics than DS3, but the multiplayer system itself and the effect of multiplicative modifiers both fucking suck and neither will never be fixed
I had a lot of fun with Elden Ring throughout it's life. I'm saying that like I can't just boot up Seamless right now and find invasions instantly, but the fact that I have to recourse to Seamless is a bummer in itself.

>>723788783
I will say I did discover GS crouch poking during launch because I always go heavy str, everyone used the meme weapons but even the memers couldn't handle the crouch poke before it became common knowledge.
was always funny invading in and seeing the host rush me down being cocky with his 2 friends then he gets double poked gibbed instantly not expecting it