Thread 723795768

>The exact total of games disclosing generative AI was 507 games out of the total 2960 titles in Steam Next Fest. By briefly examining their AI Generated Content Disclosure, we found out that several of them had situations that left us unsure about their usage of generative AI in the making or marketing of their game, giving us a new total of 504 games.

>This gave us a percentage of 17.03%, which is close to 1 in 5 games. As mentioned above, this is only a baseline figure, with more games potentially making use of it either in early stages of production or in areas that aren't seen (such as code) and not disclosing it.

>Games had a variety of uses for generative AI in their disclosures, which we haven't yet fully reviewed, but we saw several major areas of use emerge: Marketing and Steam Store Page Assets, Art assets in-game, Audio assets (music, sound effects, voice over), Translation, Coding, Writing etc

At this rate in 10-15 years every single game will use AI slop

HAHAHAHA WAIT

Hotel Barcelona uses AI?

lmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao

That's so fucking funny. That game looks like the most rancid piece of dogshit I have ever seen. How the FUCK do you use AIslop and have a game that comes out looking like that?

>>723795768 (OP)
Absolutely grim. The golden era of indie gaming may be coming to a close. 2008-2028, I guess.

AI has no benefit on art. The only reason why people clamor for it is laziness and greed. It's no coincidence that the spiteful social rejects of 4chan are the ones most likely to have an AI shill amidst them.
Unlike some other AI haters, I don't subscribe to the idea that AI is not gonna make it and that it's just a fad. I can see a bleak future where AI dominates the vidya industry, resulting in unimaginable levels of sloppification.
All I can say is that I won't pay even one cent for AI slop ever. I may be an ant in the grand scheme of things, but at the very least I will be satisfied that if vidya turns into a supernova of slop, I won't have been even 0.0000000001% responsible. Hope my fellow anti-AI bros have the same determination and that in a potential dark future that awaits us, there will still be a niche market that supports real games.
Should the worst come to pass and AI kill the very idea of human made gaming due to its insane levels of efficiency and "quality", then in that post-vidya world, I'll join the proompter hordes and make my own games for myself and myself alone. Proompters are talentless idea guys. I have ideas too. Their "art" is exactly as worthless as mine.

I will sincerely never buy a game that uses AI. It's just not happening. And if it ever accidentally happens, I will refund it when I learn of it.

So instead of thousands of asset flip non games, we will now get thousands of ai slop non games.

Seems the same to me.

>>723796208
>>723796253
based

Is speedtree AI?

>>723796253
oh no, anyways

It's wild to me the amount of impressive games that come out every year on Steam and people are somehow falling for the AI pied piper. What if we stopped having those games that were made with pure effort and started getting AIslop instead?

>>723796343
AI is anything I don't like

>>723796208
You'll probably 41% yourself before you see any of that happening, don't worry.

>>723796412
Thank you.

It's only a matter of time until the slop machine wins. It was the same with microtransactions. People were quick to shit on horse armor but relented after. When you fight the tide you're just delaying the inevitable.

>>723796514
Back to your janny approved general, faggot.

>>723796208
I agree that this will quadruple the amount of slop in the market, but I'm not as doomer about it. There's definitely smart people who will know how to use it to make quality work, and hopefully those works will raise the bar and put sloppers in their place.

>>72379656
That is what happens when the majority are blind and apathetic. They just go along with whatever slop is served up in front of them.

>>723796636
Make me, whiny nigger.

>>723796567
I don't think AI has anywhere near the push back mtx has, even those shitty uncanny remasters that look horrible are uncritically gobbled up by the masses.

>>723796725
>There's definitely smart people who will know how to use it to make quality work
This to me just reads the same as what people argued with CGI in movies and now you look at the action blockbusters and they're all a million times more soulless than they were 4 decades ago when people actually needed proper lighting directors, fight choreographers, real stuntwork, etc.

My only actual hope is that people form a community of explicitly anti-AI games and it becomes an advertising point for a niche market. A lot of the best indie games are already niche anyways.

>>723795768 (OP)
Ew
Are there any No Thanks AIslop curators like there are for wokeshit and denuvo?

>>723796976
You don't need those yet because aside from The Alters, every AI game looks like shit you were never gonna touch anyways. But hopefully it becomes a thing in the future if the cancer keeps spreading.

>>723796208
The best thing to come out of AI is that all the artfaggots realised they are living in their own little bubble and that nobody gives a shit about their artistic intent or whatever the fuck you call it
The only thing people want is a finished product that looks good, nothing else matters.

If you can skip paying some entitled faggot royalties by just genning your assets why wouldn't you?
Worst case you have to clean it up a bit but at this point most of the output is so clean that 90% of people wouldn't even realize its AI

>>723797073
Spoken like a true consoomer.

>>723797073
That's nice, but I'm not an artist. I have never made a game. I haven't drawn anything aside from when I was forced to decades ago.

I'm a consumer and I know better than to support AIslop. My reasons are entirely selfish. I'm just looking ahead farther than you.

>>723797073
the random increase about seething faggots sniffing their own farts with "soul" and "meaning" or whatever nonsense is funny though

>>723797073
This to me just reads the same as what people argued with CGI in movies and now you look at the action blockbusters and they're all a million times more soulless than they were 4 decades ago when people actually needed proper lighting directors, fight choreographers, real stuntwork, etc.

Right now, there's been no AI game worth a shit that has released, and that's the immediate symptom of AIslop being worthless shit for idea guys that don't do any actual hard work. But if the cancer keeps progressing, then sure, there's gonna start being good games with AI in them, and that's when the second symptoms of the cancer gets in. That's when we start getting the equivalent long-term vidya destroyers that happened with Jurassic Park.

>>723796725
>There's definitely smart people who will know how to use it to make quality work
the ones who wil make use of AI slop to make games better you could count them with one hand in this garbage industry, like the other anon said, people expected a "revolution" for movies with the help of modern tech and CGI, but look at the state of the movie, Pirates of the Caribbean At World's End look better and has better CGI than 90% of modern movies

>>723795768 (OP)
ai used to generate code or assets?
because the first one is now mandated by shareholders and managers in every company that creates software
>shareholder: you have to use ai because.. you just do okay??
>manager: you have to work after hours to learn ai like a slave because... you just do okay??

>>723797073
>a finished product that looks good
Games that lean on AI heavily are neither finished nor do they ever look good. They look like obvious slop and people generally don't buy it unless they have no standards.
Artists aren't paid royalties unless you agree to pay them that way, dumbass. When people outsource they decide on the means of payment before signing any contracts, and most of the time that winds up being either a share of revenue or a lump sum in the form of a commission. Even the professional game development world works this way, a publisher provides funding and the art team allocates a salary or salaries to employee(s).

>>723797073
>all the artfaggots realised they are living in their own little bubble and that nobody gives a shit about their artistic intent or whatever the fuck you call it
i thought we did that with the internet-wide backlash against 'tumblr design' like those pink noses and shit. you saw that EVERYWHERE for a while thanks to 'artists' sticking to their echochambers

>>723797491
>ai used to generate code or assets?
both

Steam is garbage now. Just unmitigated garbage.

>>723797532
The Alters is a good game that I ended up not buying because it's AIslop that is well hidden and now 11 Bit Studios, a studio that I used to love, is a studio I'll never buy from again.

You're too optimistic. That anon is correct that the more AIslop keeps bruteforcing itself, the more it keeps seeping through the cracks. Consoomers WILL eat the shit if it looks good enough at a glance. And the long term consequences when developers/publishers realize the extent of what they can get away with will be catastrophic.

>>723797398
it's far easier to produce an indie game and have it sell than to do the same with a movie. hollywood is still clinging to it's perceived relevance, requiring you to have some status or connections. streaming services are total nepotism fests. youtube is a fucking joke. there's almost no way to truly see success as an indie filmmaker the same way you potentially can with vidya. we do not have the movie equivalent of itch.io or Steam yet.

>>723797073
shush child, the adults are speaking

>>723797789
embarrassing post.

>>723797771
But that is all the more reason why my hope is that there will be a small niche of the industry that will refuse to use AI, rather than a mythical small niche of people that fall in for the AIslop meme but somewhat only make quality content from it and suffer no long term repercussions.

Really, the bar for game development is already so fucking low. I've already seen games get markedly worse when people learned how to use procedural generation tools. How the fuck is AI gonna benefit me as a vidya consumer? It isn't.

>>723797874
cry about it

>>723797874
Nah, he BTFO you hard, jeet.

The problem is bigger than just the gaming market, it's all medias that are at stake. The dead internet theory is getting really close. The sheer quantity of generated content will soon get out of hand.

Soon there will be two types of people, the ones that just can't take it anymore and totally disconnect from the internet and the ones that will embrace it and will consoom slop straight into their brains non stop all day.

>>723797991
>playground insults
>BTFO
try harder next time, troon.

>the ones defending AI slop
hahaha

>>723798098
>he's still crying

>>723798182
this planet is cooked

>>723796208
TRVTHNVKE (didn't read)

>>723798182
why do indians love AI so much? is it because they are such an artless people that the closest they can get to art is stealing other people's shit?

>>723795768 (OP)
>in 10-15 years
Too slow, the dangerhair "artist" rot needs to get laid off quicker

>>723797073
>Ad populum
Most theoretical mathematicians are living in their own bubble too, are they le bad because they make you feel retarded?

>>723798182
Makes sense. Jeets are completely soulless and without any kind of artistic merit or practical ability.

>>723796208
>I don't subscribe to the idea that AI is not gonna make it and that it's just a fad.
It probably is, though. Everyone is fixated on how worthless it is and how it only appeals to subhumans. And that's true. But it also has real world material costs. Unsustainable ones.
Right now those costs are largely being covered by governments and the investors that used to fund woke trash. But they're not going to keep doing that forever. It's possible, even likely, that human made games will not only shit on slop in terms of quality but even have better profit margins.

>comparing online artists to academics
lel

Who cares??? Currently AI slop looks ass, but it won't be the case for long.
Art is the least important thing in games, it's just busywork that has to be done, and it greatly contributes to the current inflated development times. If it can be automated then it's a great thing.

>>723798989
2 more years, saar

>>723798182
To be fair India is always overrepresented because their population is 1.4 billion .

>>723799063
It's the percentage of people in each country that use it. Population size is irrelevant.

>>723797073
Right now, the only reason people like AI is that it's fast, cheap and capable of putting out novelty material that rips off things they already like.
Not all of those things will remain true, and people will start to get bored of the samey sycophantic nonsense as the features are cut back and it gets more expensive for the end user.

>>723798924
>Says the comparison is invalid but doesn't say why
kek you're one asshurt brainlet

The worst one I've seen is this.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3877940/Everest_Real_Climbing_Simulator/

Literal AI generated trailer for the worst looking game I've ever seen.

>>723798793
It's gonna stick around, the current fascination with it won't though.

>>723797073
>tranime image
>abhorrent post
many such cases

>>723799445
if you genuinely think that faggots circlejerking on bluesky and twitter are in any way comparable to theoretical mathematicians, then I'm afraid there's really no hope for you

>>723796343
Sure. 99% of shit being marketed as ai are things that already existed before the ai craze and they just rebranded them.

>>723799565
The gameplay trailer is a mindfuck.

>>723798653
90% of mathematics is literally made up (especially statistics)
and the echochamber in academic fields is indeed an issue

but they aren't trying to sell their math to people and then get mad when the AI can calculate the stuff they aren't able to

>>723799878
>doubles down
KEK

is there a list of all the next fest games that disclosed AI use?
I wish steam would make it more evident rather than putting it all the way to the bottom.

>>723796208
>>723796208
>I can see a bleak future where AI dominates the vidya industry, resulting in unimaginable levels of sloppification.
yeah, its only gonna get worse
>All I can say is that I won't pay even one cent for AI slop ever
y

>>723795768 (OP)
The concept of AI is older than fucking computers, retard.
Of course, it's everywhere.

>>723795768 (OP)
>AI is le bad
Name 5 reasons why

>>723800845
big brain post!

>>723798653
>Mathematicians didn't protest computers and calculators
>janitors did not protest vacuum cleaners of any type
>programmers automated code themselves
>farmers welcomed the plow
>artist demand Butlerian Jihad
They all were comfy as fuck when everyone else was losing their jobs and dreamed about gay robot communism.
Now they reap the rewards.

>>723800846
it lower the barrier of entry so much that the dumbest gorilla nigger can shit out stuff, flood the market and drown out the good stuff.

Why are you guys such virtue signalling little retards all the time about this? You can still have a perfectly reasonable and fine argument by simply saying:
"I approve of high quality uses of AI in games and I disapprove of low quality uses of AI in games."

But no, you have to be an ULTRAFAGGOT about it instead. Just keep protesting until you die of old age and all your protesting will be for nothing because you changed nothing, because you can't do jack shit about it except whine like a little bitch.

Why don't you just accept reality?

>>723801425
But that happens without ai, best thing to do now is convince chugs to go into it instead of game development.

>>723798385
ai behave like dot indians so they can perfectly understand it
>can't open file?
>will make up results
>can't find citation?
>fake it up

>>723801627
>I approve of high quality uses of AI in games
When that ever happens I'll let you know

Did they use AI to code or AI to create assets?
I think the former is more acceptable than the latter

>>723801635
>it already happens now
>lets make it much worse
genius

>>723801627
>you're only reasonable if you agree with me
You sound like a tranny.

>>723801714
Here you go:
https://steamdb.info/instantsearch/?refinementList%5Btags%5D%5B0%5D=AI%20Content%20Disclosed&refinementList%5BappType%5D%5B0%5D=Game

See those high scores? That means people liked it.

>>723799565
>benny hill music start playing from nowhere
wtf

>>723801627
>I approve of high quality uses of AI in games
>high quality uses of AI
lol

>>723801830
I didn't tell you to agree with me I told you to use nuance instead of tribal warfare. This is literally far leftist SJW group think.

>>723801627
I only approve of marking ai crap so I can filter it out
not interested

>>723795768 (OP)
>>This gave us a percentage of 17.03%, which is close to 1 in 5 games
Why'd they pick that ratio where it's much closer to 1 in 6 (16.67%) ?

>>723801920
You said that the only way to be reasonable is to approve of ai. You are no different from a tranny that insists that any reasonable person would respect their identity.

>>723801627
I don't fundamentally oppose ai as a tool, but I've yet to see something that uses ai a lot and is decent.

>>723802691
A tranny would force you to be absolutist, saying you MUST respect pronouns, etc. I did no such thing, I said disapproving of AI is expected. You are the one being the absolutist here. So maybe pick a better analogy next time.

>>723796253
"AI" is being used to ubiquitously by now it can be seen as fucking everything. Any dev that used photoshop to change a texture used "AI".

Can't wait for good AI games in 5 years that will prove most of /v/ is retarded and wrong about everything.

>>723803331
5 more years saar

>>723803068
>A tranny would force you to be absolutist, saying you MUST respect pronouns
That's exactly what you're doing, you worthless tranny nigger. You outright said that you have to approve of ai in order to count as a reasonable person.

>>723803367
Yeah, that's 2030. Think about it. 2030.

>step 1: make people dumb through content forms specifically designed to lower one's attention span
>step 2: make people overeliant on fake-intelligence machines so they get used to not using their brains
>step 3: mecha Stalin unites the world under one world government

>>723795768 (OP)
>steam next fest
And how many of those games weren't shovelware?

>>723801627
They are disingenuous leftists.

>>723804140
How many good games have you made? Thought so - bitch.

AI doesn't necessarily mean a game is bad.
But AI will absolutely wreck my trust in the dev. The correlation between AI use and absolute and utter trash is strong to say the least.

>>723797583
>now
it's been like that ever since they opened up the marketplace to everyone wanting to sell their crapware. Arguably, it's Steam who created the environment which encourages the creation of mountains of crapware to chase easy money.
Steam was better when you actually had to be a proper business before Steam would even give you the time of day. Now it's just a dumping ground for the third world scraping for scraps of cents by cranking out vaguely game shaped products by the truckload. It's disgusting what Steam turned into.

>>723801627
>virtue signalling
>on an anonymous image board
You're the dumbest gorilla nigger in the entire thread, which is saying something

>>723803367
Literally look at at webm. That's the progress over 2 years. You would be a fool to think A will not have massively improved over next 5 years.

>>723804538
Ever since Steam Greenlight went away, it was like this. Doesn't really matter though, as you won't see most of these games ever. Good games will still blow up by word of mouth alone.

>>723801627
>you need to accept the inclusion of this degrading slop and no other argument is valid
>the CEOs pumping their stock prices said so!
Fuck yourself you dirty brown jeet.

>>723795768 (OP)
For me its like

>AI music: improves the game
>AI voice: makes the game worse
>AI images: makes the game worse
>AI 3d models: well who the fuck knows it's either the devs' shitty baby steps 3d model or AIslop
>AI coding: bugs bugs

>>723804634
>we went from V2 rockets to the moonlanding in 30 years! It's inevitable we'll have colonies on Mars by 2025.

I have nothing against solo devs using ai to help make their game, but when big companies like Blizzard use it, that just feels wrong.

>>723804634
>that was progress over 2 years
no that was progress over less than a year. it was fixed early 2024. its been the same slop ever since

>>723805228
>These automobiles will never replace horses, they are a just a fad.

>>723805337
Shekel saved, shekel earned.

>>723804634
There is such a thing as the 80:20 rule, the pareto principle, and it does apply to AI although I think I read someone smart saying it was more like a 90/10 thing. Where the first 90% of the problem was 'easy' to solve but the 10% proves extremely challenging. Basically it suggests that the idea that in 5 years we'll get 400% gains since in 2 years we've come that far should be taken with a grain of salt.

That said, AI in the context of video has pretty much blown that theory to bits because it's easily fooling like 95% of the population into thinking it's real already. The remaining problems are about making videos longer, having the AI listen better, and having it cost less energy. The longer/better parts are arguably already technically solved in research papers too.

>>723805228
That analogy sucks. There will be AI generated movies coming out next year, full fledged films. Seeing how most video people watch is like 1 minute tops, the problem is basically already solved. In 5 years I wonder if anything will be human made lol. People may just be generating their own selves doing things by then.

>>723803331
video ai is so weird. it's like everyone in it is an npc. well obviously they're not real people, but why does the ai make them so weird? like the girl behind will smith on the right in the beginning is just sitting there either chewing some food or talking to herself while holding a wine glass with both hands and seemingly completely unaware of will smith's presence.

Kids in 10 years will grow up in a world where AI will be just a normal thing.

>>723795768 (OP)
grim.

>>723796409
The trouble is, as with free game engines getting better, that complete retards can flood the store with garbage.

Putting aside AAA companies doing it, just take a look at /agdg/ or any other place full of people chasing low effort money.

>>723806038
computer generated characters are npcs anon

>>723805914
>There will be AI generated movies coming out next year, full fledged films.
There won't. The best SOTA models publicly available are not even close to movie quality. The best they can do is half a minute of video and even then they can't maintain visual consistency. You think they're going to have plot consistency over a movie length feature film when they can't even do visual consistency which they are explicitly trained for? And people simply aren't ready for it.

Even if I'm wrong about the tech, which I put at extremely low odds, people are much slower to move than tech is, and there's simply no pipeline that currently exist to plan, fund, produce, and distribute an AI feature film (and I guarantee you no studio is going to put out a feature length AI film without knowing how the copyright, plus all the contracts will work), not to mention audience acceptance. At best, you'll have movies coming out next year with SFX generated by AI, and maybe some other touch-ups here and there that uses a niche form of the tech, like de-aging actors, rather than straight up generation.

Unless you mean no-name studios that will put out AI film with extremely limited reach and low quality. Then maybe that will happen, but they can already do that today.

>>723806657
Define "movie quality".

>>723798385
It's because AI only really cliques with stupid people.
When your education is really bad it's easier to ask chatGPT why the earth spins in ways a toddler can understand when you don't even know where you'd start researching it otherwise.

>>723806657
You haven't been keeping up with AI video at all this past year.

>>723799063
china is also there and is way lower despite having more people

>>723799285
45% of India can't even read.

>>723807079
Yes I have. I have been running the best local open source video generation you can run on consumer cards, while being subscribed to multiple AI news channels, following different websites, trying out the latest demos and specifically following AI video news as that's my most interested topic in gen AI.

I use AI to generate limited kinds of background music and, rarely SFX for my game. It costs me $15-20 (to buy one month's of generation credits) and takes about 1 to 1.5 hours per song to refine the prompt and fork results until I get something tolerable.

If I were to use existing, non-AI tracks, I'd have to do one or all of the follow:
>pay an obscenely large licensing fee
>use a contract to ensure I have commercial rights to use the track (requiring lawyer time, which is more expensive than you can imagine)
>make sure I follow whatever contract is needed (for shit like attributions and use case limitations, like only using it in the game and not in a trailer)
>bookkeeping the shit out of it to make sure I remember where, when, how the track is used in case I ever get DMCA'd or need to remove it for whatever reason

And if I hired someone to make the track from scratch, it's mostly the same:
>need a lawyer to draft a contract to ensure transfer of IP rights (so the guy making it can't try to sue me or have the game pulled by saying 'that's my song' if he changes his mind)
>wait weeks/months for the track to be made and spend lots of time back and forth with the artist
>pay probably $250+/minute of audio

It's hard to appreciate why someone would use AI until you've tried to develop and release a commercial product.

t. gamedevanon

>>723796253
No one cares luddite faggot

>>723796253
>And if it ever accidentally happens
You must commit sudoku. You bring dishonor to the famirry.

>>723807210
Then why are you lying and ignoring ongoing productions? There are tons of short films that have been out already and if you can make a short film you can make a long film.

>>723807443
>Then why are you lying
About what?
>if you can make a short film you can make a long film
Then where are they?

>>723807247
Pixel, Toby Fox, Concerned Ape, etc. wrote their own music. The Corn Kidz dev used free music.
You will never make a game.

>>723807512
>The best they can do is half a minute of video and even then they can't maintain visual consistency.
This is a lie.
>Then where are they?
I thought you were paying attention to AI video? These have existed for years now. AI can do South Park episodes now too.

>>723802691
so even if ai makes the absolutely perfect game catering to your every whim you will still not play it because its ai?

>>723807661
>uhhh I left the names of all these AI movies I know in my other pants

>>723807661
>This is a lie.
Sora 2 does up to 25 seconds. Veo 3.2 does 6 seconds. Wan2.5 does 10 seconds. These are some of the best video generators available right now.
>I thought you were paying attention to AI video?
I think you're a dishonest faggot who's not worth talking to. Name just one of these fucking movies you fucking faggot.

>>723807645
>uuhh your game doesn't exist because I'm mad
sasuga

>>723808027
>Sora 2 does up to 25 seconds.
So you're saying you're paying attention to AI video and movies and you don't understand what a "cut" is? lol, lmao even.
What else can AI do, can you feed it references to keep it consistent or nah?

>I think you're a dishonest faggot who's not worth talking to.
Stop projecting. I don't even know why I'm wasting time talking to a lying retard. You can ask AI and it can help you find answers to almost anything and here you are feigning ignorance.

>>723807984
https://aifilmfest.org/winners

>>723807645
I use a mix of AI-generated and commercial free music.

>you'll never make a game
I have and it's been out for a while.

>>723807306
What will happen is these people will buy and enjoy games and not realize there's AI usage in it, just in the same way that people watch hollywood movies while not realizing the producers (like Weinstein) are all rapists.

>>723801627
Supporting AIslop, even if there theoretically was any of it worth a shit around right now, makes vidya worse in the long run.

It's the equivalent of buying a comfortable chair from someone that is aiming to fund a crippling gas.

>>723808375
>So you're saying you're paying attention to AI video and movies and you don't understand what a "cut" is? lol, lmao even.
Do you really think you can splice together separate video generations and maintain any kind of consistency?
>can you feed it references to keep it consistent or nah?
Oh, so you haven't used these things at all. No, you cannot keep consistency with reference images, because things enter and exit the frame during a shot you massive retard. The fact you even bring this up tells me you have not used these tools at all besides trying to do it once or twice. Meanwhile I've put weeks into trying to make workflows to get longer consistent videos.

>https://aifilmfest.org/winners
None of these are feature films length you gigantic faggot. And they're all extremely low quality too. I knew you were a dishonest faggot.

>>723808375
claim goalpost shifting all you want but is 3 minute videos aren't the movies anyone is talking about when they say films

are the south park episodes 30 seconds too lmao

>>723808789
>Do you really think you can splice together separate video generations and maintain any kind of consistency?
Yes. That's what film making is all about.
>No, you cannot keep consistency with reference images,
Not gonna bother reading the rest of your post.

>>723808840
If you can make a short film you can make a long film. There are people working on long films in 2025, saying they'll be out in 2026.

>>723808939
4/10

>>723808939
>If you can make a short film you can make a long film
okay the other guy is right. you really haven't ever tried to use video generation

>>723809024
There's an AI generated anime, a handful of full fledge movies in development, thousands of shorter consistent clips, dozens of short films, and you think the lying and retarded anon is the authority on what is possible.
Based retard.

>>723808939
>There are people working on long films in 2025, saying they'll be out in 2026.
I've got shares in a web 4.0 company to sell you

The argument that a movie has to be consistent is flawed anyway. It doesn't.

I played a few of the AI games, and I would not spend a dime on a single one of them.

>>723809153
>and you think the lying and retarded anon is the authority on what is possible
no i just have actually used local video generation models and know the extent of what's possible. local generation or the SAAS shit.
you seem to believe the dozens of short "movies" that you haven't seen because they were paywalled. or maybe it was the thousands of 5s porn clips you've watched on whatever site. good luck saar

>>723809654
cope

>>723809814
You don't even know what a cut is, lying retard.

>>723809814
dude thinks marketing reels, which is all current video generation can create, are films. he's retarded. stop replying to him.

>>723810034
What is a film?

>>723798182
How can you be ChatGPT consumer and not to use ChatGPT? I don't get this chart at all.

>>723810520
it's using "consumer" in the sense of "people" but of course people is the wrong word here because the chart included indians

>>723797073
I love how every AIfag implicitly admits that they are part of the lowest common denominator and embrace the market being flooded with even more worthless garbage.

>>723810853
I am coming to the belief that hardcore pro-AI types, the ones who say shit like "I don't care if it all goes to shit as long as artists get fucked and I get my slop!" are the type of loser who have completely given up on being a decent human being and just are waiting for the techno-dystopia to come so they can sell themselves to the slop machine.

>>723810893
Indians are more likely to view it positively. Guess you're a poo by your logic.

>>723808723
Name it.

>>723811060
>India: Has consistently topped global AI surveys, with 43% of respondents in a 2024 poll reporting a "very positive" view of AI.
>United States: While AI adoption is widespread, only 39% of Americans in a 2024 survey viewed AI as more beneficial than harmful.
>"BUT JEETS"
You're a schizophrenic tranny with no argument.

>>723810893
nigger

>>723811198
>name it
Thought about it, but there are enough 'AI reeee' idiots in the thread where I'd rather not deal with someone shitting up my forums. It's a modest indie game you haven't heard of, and likely won't.

>>723811053
They're just more honest than you, anon. The average person simply wants their needs fulfilled. If that means watching AI-generated porn when you're horny, or listening to AI-generated music when you're in the mood for a specific genre, that's what most people will do. And before long, most content will leverage AI in some capacity, and you'll never know.

>>723796138
It's grim but also a chance. Devs who make shit no AI could automatically stand out. A format like Steam Next allows developers to put their shit out for random dudes to play and discern the quality of.

>>723796208
It has the benefit of making greedy artists quake in their boots for a few years until it inevitably gets outlawed because pedos keep making AI pizza

>>723811489
>They're just more honest than you, anon.
What is with the insane psychotic beliefs and projections of pro-AI shills? No, not everyone wants to see artists suffer. I'm not secretly desiring AI art and wishing ill-will on artists. I sincerely hope you get the help you need because you are deranged.

Apparently some AI data center is cooking black people in Memphis, so by all means keep up the good work, keep making those dogs on the boomers doorstep use the firehose attack, or the chiropractor suplexing some old lady.
Yes it was very annoying to scroll through all the AI images in next fest but Memphis needs to cook.

>>723795768 (OP)
Why would anyone care if AI is used in the code? That shouldn’t be required to disclose

>>723811763
holy projection

>>723811763
i think you are the one projecting here because nowhere did that guy say anything about wishing bad stuff on artists

>>723812048
Then what the fuck does "they're just more honest than you" refer to?

>>723811489
>Thought about it
Lol
Lmao

>>723811489
Knew it.
You will never make a game.

>>723811763
Like the other anons said, you're going into projection overdrive. But the truth is worse because I sincerely don't care one way or the other about the 'artists' you're talking about, for the same reason I don't give a fuck about whatever child slave is dying in a sweatshop to make my sneakers. I don't think about it, I don't care about it, and anyone saying they do is almost certainly lying to themselves.

>>723812384
I'm very conscious of not shilling my games because I don't like it when other anons do. And god help me if I ever turn into that autismal lunatic who has been shilling Onirism for all these years.

>>723812790
>tells me I'm projecting
>then immediately confirms what I just said
What the fuck am I talking to?

>>723812965
I think your confusion comes from not knowing the difference between indifference and hostility. Me not caring about artists is not the same thing as me wishing ill upon them.

>>723813137
Hoping people lose their jobs is wishing ill-will on people. Did you even read my post and the posts I was replying to before you vomited out your word diarrhea?

>>723813137
>puts artists in scare quotes
Your barely contained seething is apparent to all.

>>723813270
>hoping people lose their jobs
And I said that where, exactly? I don't care about them, whether they keep their jobs or lose them. This is why you're coming across as projecting.

>>723813383
Yes, because the 'artists' to whom I'm referring are the DeviantArt/e621 people who are creating literal coomslop. I'm not talking about classically trained painters or sculptors, you stooge.

>>723813612
>Art is only the things I like
How do you keep looking more and more retarded with every post?

>>723813612
So you didn't read the post chain, vomited out some retarded shit, and then said I was projecting even though you doubled down and projected even more by saying that anyone who cares is lying.

>>723813270
>Hoping people lose their jobs is wishing ill-will on people

wrong
hoping peoples jobs get easier, even so easy it's no longer a job and just an unpaid hobby is not ill will.

money is evil. why do you want evil? everything should be free and no one should have to work.

>>723813874
read the fucking reply chain

>>723795768 (OP)
>in 10-15 years
make that 3-5 instead

>>723807097
china doesnt have more people than india any more btw

>>723813767
To me, 'art' is more a question of effort and sincere intent. In vidya terms, something like CoD is a product and isn't art. Conversely, a sincerely made indie game like FNAF 1 or Stardew would be art.

>>723813803
The post chain is you getting triggered, projecting like a madman, then getting butthurt when being called out on it. And you either need to get over it or get on blood pressure meds, because AI is only going to continue to expand and improve.

Anyone being hyper against AI is inevitably going to be left behind in the future.
You think it's not here to stay? You think the literal schoolwide AI epidemic that is affecting all levels of education means nothing? That first year students and people working on their University finals all using AI is not a sign?
That all the major companies incorporating AI into all of their productions is not something to be thinking about?
Compare it to the dot com bubble all you want, but unlike the dot com bubble, the entire American economy wasn't hedging its bets on this one easy out, which is the current case with AI. Were AI to collapse, America's economy would implode given the current state of everything, which is why AI is being employed so heavily.

At the end of the day, AI will be the new CG. It will be the new calculator. It will be the new moonlanding. Because it HAS to be. There isn't a reset button you can press that does not completely destroy the western world at this point. Companies will inevitably be paid or subsidized to USE AI more, to HIRE for AI 'engineers' on their work, and that is an inevitability.

>>723813612
>bot forgot that it was talking about musicians just a few posts ago

>>723796343
>>723799896
It isn't

>>723814491
>musicians
Yes, and in the absence of AI I still wouldn't have hired them because they're cost prohibitive and legally inferior. At most, I would've purchased an existing track from a music licensor, but almost certainly I would've used free stuff. Either way, the musicians in question aren't getting paid.

>bot
Thank you for promoting me. I'll let the other LLMs know not to bully you as hard as they have been, because of how fragile you seem to be.

>>723814449
>the very reason it's going to collapse is the reason it's not going to collapse
How long do you think your datacenters are going to last when the only people available to maintain them can't even read?

>>723814807
>>the very reason it's going to collapse is the reason it's not going to collapse
American exceptionalism isn't always a good thing. Sometimes its forcing something retarded to stay in place for long enough to become normalized.

>>723811763
You're on the wrong side of history and it's you who doesn't like artists. If you really cared about art you would like AI because it's another tool for artists to use. Everyone using AI to make art is an artist(and you probably want them dead).

>>723813270
Try not conflating leftists and women ruining video games with "artists". No one wants sane and talented artists fired. The only celebration happens when a SJW with blue hair is laid off and that has less to do with AI than it has to do with the shit they're creating.

>>723816051
This anon gets it. Your complimentary plate of Sonic curry can be found within.

>>723816051
>it once again forgot it was talking about musicians

>(such as code)
Anyone who doesn't use AI for coding is actually retarded

>>723817459
>AI coding help
That 'vibe coding' shit works until it doesn't, and then you end up with W11 updates breaking all localhost stuff because vibe coders (or jeets) can't fix code they didn't write themselves since they don't understand it.

>previously had generative AI content used in development
So they used it as placeholders and got rid of them before the game launched? What's the issue?

>>723818917
Works great if you can actually write and understand code yourself. It’s like having constant, instant, code reviews. If you can’t actually understand the code then yeah it will be dogshit but otherwise AI assist is the meta for writing code. Nobody is using google for that shit anymore, waste of time. Think of AI as a search engine instead of a problem solver and it becomes 1000% more useful.

>>723818978
People (luddite retards) seem to treat it as a scarlet letter. If your game even has the whiff of AI on it, even in passing, you've failed the purity test and now your game gets the big 'used AI' stamp forever.

>>723819319
>if you understand code yourself
That's the key part and yeah, I agree. Problem is that vibe coding's whole thing is 'I don't understand code but now I'm a programmer (with AI).'

>>723819319
the problem is vast majority of retards are using AI as their hammer to their problems
>check a factorio mod that was ported from 1.0
>”i used chat gpt to update it to 2.0!”
>install it
>instantly fucking crashes my game as soon as the code runs
>know that reporting any issues is fucking useless because the neaderthal mod “creator” doesn’t actually know anything but how to proompt

>>723819508
>If your game even has the whiff of AI on it, even in passing, you've failed the purity test and now your game gets the big 'used AI' stamp forever.
That's unfortunately just kind of how it works. I consume media because I know every part of it was made by a human, it's the entire point of art and creation. If ANY part is sloppa, even some insignificant shit like a rock texture, I can't trust you to not be using it elsewhere

>>723820583
You need to abandon this absurd mindset, m8. It's entirely 'ignorance is bliss' and there's no way to be sure you aren't unknowingly consuming AI generated content at some point. It's like people who say they won't watch a show because one of the actors said a no-no word in a tweet, but then not have any rebuttal if you ask if they're also following the tweets of the rest of the cast and crew.

>>723820583
>I can't trust you to not be using it elsewhere
And they try to frame this as unreasonable paranoia despite them all doing everything they can to conceal and obfuscate their ai use. They really are just like trannies.

>>723821031
>dont ask questions just consume the slop
no I don’t think I will

>>723821031
>It's like people who say they won't watch a show because one of the actors said a no-no word in a tweet,
False equivalency, your example does not impact the product itself while mine does
AI has not completely taken over smaller studios and indies, there's still more than enough content out there that isn't using it at all

>>723821080
>They really are just like trannies.
LITERALLY rent free

as an actual 40 years old boomer i have to admit i don't get why you kids have been psyopped into hating "ai"
nor do i see the difference with people who used to hate digital art over "normal" art

>it really was a tranny
lmao

>>723821469
Your brain is broken

>>723820583
>I consume media because I know every part of it was made by a human, it's the entire point of art and creation.

>>723796514
>>723796818
>>723797073
>>723801627
>>723803331
>>723807306
>>723808939
>>723811247
>>723811489
Curse Vishnu by name.

Giving "idea guys" more power will prove to be a catastrophic mistake.

>>723821469
Always is.

>>723796045
>How the FUCK do you use AIslop and have a game that comes out looking like that?
you answered your own question

>>723821749
You will never be the real saarhunter.

>>723821783
Heaven forbid we have more ideas out there to enjoy.

>>723797073
Based. They were all smug little fags when blue collars got replaced by machines. This is pure karma and they will never recover

>>723821262
Consume what you want, I was just saying you can never confidently know if the thing you're watching/playing/listening to is free of AI if it was created after 2020.

>>723821263
>it impacts the product
If you don't recognize it without being told, then it's not impacting the product, which is the point I'm making. (Hence me saying 'ignorance is bliss.')

>>723821418
Hello fellow old man. A lot of it seems to come from people who thought they could make a living being 'creative' but have now had that dream firmly put to bed by AI generation being a thing.

>>723821749
If god existed he would've dropped a meteor on the Indian subcontinent by now.

>>723822603
If X is X, it is still X even if you don't notice right away.

>>723822131
I said nothing about ideas. I said "Idea Guys™", ie: self-important leeches.

>>723796208
>>723796253
>>723803367
>>723805228
>I won't pay a thing for AI
you think the guys that went "we won't listen to canned music" ever backpedaled on that thing? Like you guys never listen to digital music on your phone or something? You'll give in this silly shit up eventually, you're no different than those who ranted about canned music before, you're the exact same.

>>723822687
Sure, but if you enjoy X before recognizing it as such, does that somehow change your past enjoyment of it when that enjoyment occurred? No, of course not.

>>723823276
There's always going to be a subset of people who, for whatever reasons, are resistant to change.

>horseless carriages? Absurd!
>motion pictures in color? Nonsense!
>machines that can do math better than a person? Unthinkable!

Advances, good or bad, have never cared about this narrow mindset, and the people who bitch and moan do so from an increasingly distant point as they're left behind by everyone else.

>>723812021
>>723814449
>>723814716
>>723816051
>>723812790
>>723817459
>>723823276
SAAAAAAAAR

>>723816051
>Everyone using AI to make art is an artist
Artists don't matter, but AIfags are so desperate to call themselves artists for some reason.

>>723823332
Yeah it does, because I know I was being lied to.

>>723812790
Having read through your posts lmao, you know what you are lacking mate? Empathy, I think you are genuinely fucked in the head. Seek therapy.

>>723822687
>If X is X, it is still X even if you don't notice right away
I couldn't care less if the textures on the ground or tree bark or whatever the fuck were made using generative AI, even someone tells me outright.

I'm more concerned if the textures themselves look good, if there are any texture seams, if their resolution doesn't tank performance, is taking too much storage space, etc. Those are the real aspects that affect a product, everything else is just pointless faggotry.

>but muh artistic vision on the cracks in the walls

It wasn't long ago that people were making fun of the Demon's Souls remake for using stock assets and not respecting the creative vision of the original game, EVEN WITH FUCKING DIRECT VISUAL AND WRITTEN REFERENCES.

If the artist is some tasteless retard, his work is going to come out bad no matter what. I don't give a fuck if he chopped the trees himself to make the paper and mined the graphite himself to make a pencil. But regardless how you feel about it, you're going to get tricked sooner or later.

>>723822146
You mean the people who have been making art featuring dystopias caused or worsened by automation taking over human work for as long as that idea has existed?

>>723822902
This might come as a shock to you but idea guys have ideas.

>>723795768 (OP)
And nothing of value will be lost. Games are mostly jeetslop now anyway.

>>723823276
I've maintained decades' long boycotts over stuff far less egregious than this.

>>723823985
Do elaborate, have they worked to stop an entire industry like AI? or is just small moral victories?

>>723823803
>You mean the people who have been making art featuring dystopias
People making childlike drawings of Sonic shit in diapers and other degenerate garbage that's been flooding the internet for years was already dystopian. We are fucking WAY past that point.

>>723824104
ever wondered how bethesda could fuck up so hard with starfield? now you know why

>>723824226
Throw me a bone here, I'm at a loss.

>>723823276
Canned music became good. Have you heard old records? Sounds like ass. If AI becomes good I'll try it but right now it's slop and is going to continue being slop as long as boomers and jeets are happy with it.

>>723824104
Careful. You pivoted from "you'll give in" to "you don't matter" so fast you almost gave me whiplash.
But I accept your concession. Now join your tranny friends who also thought their bought consensus was eternal.

>>723823665
Because they're losers. Getting decent with art takes dedication. Be it drawing, music, whatever, as long as you have the discipline to practice every day you can become capable. Jeets hate hard work and want to be naturally perfect brahmin, so they call their shitty cheat codes talent.

Sad that 80% of games are still behind the technology curve. Crazy how much sway the propagandists have when they should have none at all. Like why the fuck is 'disclosing AI usage' a fucking thing? It doesn't exist for any other tool.

>>723823670
In the period before you knew X had AI used in its creation, you enjoyed it and had fun. Finding out afterward doesn't create a time loop where your past self's opinion changed.

>>723823714
>you lack empathy
Ah, you're a woman. That could explain this childish behavior.

>>723824226
Bethesda is trash because they have a fatal combination of diversity hires, jeets/AI (from MS), a loss of competent talent, and a completely dogshit internal tool system and engine which they refuse to change.

>>723823650
>ghibli meme
>despite the fact it is more popular in Australia and Indonesia
huh?

>>723824540
>trannies
>pro-AI
you don't really interact with people outside this site do you

>>723824569
>Like why the fuck is 'disclosing AI usage' a fucking thing?
Because it allows me to filter out the slop. If I can't filter out the slop, I won't use your service, simple as.

>>723824339
It's schizo rambling. Don't try to find reason to it. Starfield was garbage because it was farmed out to indians and the setting wasn't worth exploring.

>>723823276
i call rule 34 and 63 on the canned music robot

>>723824629
>Finding out afterward doesn't create a time loop where your past self's opinion changed.
But I'm pissed off now so it still matters.
Your logic is retarded, you're essentially saying nobody should care about anything or have any convictions because they can just stay blind to everything

>>723797073
If it is done for profit it isn't art.

>>723824887
>But I'm pissed off now
You're mentally challenged.

>>723824687
>both defined by trying to fake something authentic
>both corrupt and destroy everything they touch
>both astroturfed by megacorps to enshittify the world
>both universally hated by normal people
There is no difference between the two.

>>723824998
Right back at you.
I can't go back in time and be living that previous experience again, current knowledge and perspective affects the value the experience has to you now

AI is for making your own content for your own enjoyment and everyone arguing about profits needs to go into the ovens.

>>723825132
Get help

>>723825204
Maybe stop getting your panties in a bunch over things you like you fucking autist.

>>723825132
Then why are they so against it?

>>723824887
I'm trying to point out that your dislike of AI generated content in media you consume is entirely arbitrary. It's not like eating a burger and finding out afterward the meat came from a cat or the cook didn't wash his hands (where you'd have a legitimate physical risk of illness or something).

To say it a different way, people saying 'I hate games because it has AI in it' is just as stupid as a SJW saying 'I liked this thing but now I hate it because I found out a white guy was the writer.'

>>723825405
Those are just people whose income potential is now threatened/gone entirely because of AI. (What meager potential there was to be had from OC x Susie porn art like they were making, anyway.)

>>723825574
It's pic related but the art version. The machine is cleaner, better, and faster.

>>723825132
Trannies are defined by denying reality no matter the damage it causes. Sounds like the Anti-AI side to me.

>>723795768 (OP)
meh, im only against ai because its being used by the most retarded people on the earth. Same as UE5.

>>723825810
I understand what that anon is saying, I just think it's silly and entirely something abstract and in his head.

And honestly, since human devs are responsible for the shitty vidya in the industry for these last few years, I'm fine with AI if it means we get fun shit like destructible terrain, emergent gameplay systems, dynamic lights, and other 'lost tech' AAA games no longer have.

>>723826091
>denying reality no matter the damage it causes
You mean like chasing a meme technology long after it's proved its uselessness and shitting up the internet and burning through fucktons of resources in the process?

>>723826438
Everything you said is wrong, like it was the last 10,000 times you spammed it.

What is it with AI and attracting some of the most dogshit boneheaded opinions from some of the loudest people

>>723823803
he is talking about failed artists, also called - my allah forgive me for uttering these words - gaming journalists
>>723824117
I 100% agree.

>>723826571
It's a neo-luddite movement.

There's this huge community of digital artists that's sprung up post deviant art and most of them are rabid retards with no taste. AI threatens their jobs so it's built up this huge movement of idiots parroting idiots, saying anything to try and fight back against the beast that is AI.

>>723827935
Yesss I looooove enshittifying everything yes saar!

>>723826571
>>723798182 explains it quite well.

>>723797073
10 bucks says if whatever you do for work was suddenly able to be done by automation, you'd be seething just as hard as artists. But not the same, of course.

>>723830924
Most of the artists seething don't even have jobs. And if Bob the builder was mad about AI taking his job he wouldn't have such retarded arguments.

>>723827935
>>723830554
Notice I was being intentionally agnostic in which side I was calling boneheaded.
These sorts of "discussions" really show just how few people have actually tried using the tech in any serious capacity, and yet how many people have such strong opinions on it.

>>723796253
If you've bought a game within the last 2 years you've already bought games that used AI tools and you didn't even know it. And I hope you never plan on buying a new game again, because they're all going to use it going forward.

>>723827935
I don't understand why you're incapable of comprehending the idea that people just genuinely don't like it

>>723831440
because I've seen first hand the same autistic trooners that claim they don't like it go on to praise it when they couldn't personally detect that it was AI.

>>723807247
There is loads of royalty free music. Astlibra, a game that gets deservedly praised a lot on /v/, uses entirely free use music and its pretty good music. You use AI because you want to.

>>723831602
But that's completely unrelated

>>723831780
I use a mix of royalty free and AI music. Royalty free is a little more complicated sometimes, because you really need to read the licenses. Both are good options if you can't/don't want to pay for an actual composer.

>>723831440
You can't tell if it was made with AI or not so it's obviously just mindless bias.

>>723831864
How? The same people who claim they hate AI on "principle" are too low IQ to even distinguish that which they claim to hate. They're autistic morons and their opinions are to be discarded.

>>723832206
I've already argued this, read the thread

>>723832251
The reasons people dislike it are unrelated to the ability to immediately recognize it

>>723832269
I don't know who you are, anonymous. But I'm not trying to argue with you, I stated a fact.

>>723796045
You literally answered yourself. AI is SOULLESS. For as much as /v/ wants to be contarian, AI is dogshit.

>>723832370
That is not a fact and it's one that I already addressed, so if you can't read it's not my faulty

>>723796208
The only people that are using AI for art are the ones that don't fucking do art themselves. They put in NO EFFORT and then wonder why people hate it.

Your crude stick figure porn would be more SOUL than a soulless AI sloppa three titted woman being railed.

Plus your sloppa is gonna be stolen for another sloppa, just like the sloppa steals for ACTUAL FUCKING ARTISTS. So why fucking use it?

>>723832313
That's definitely not true, probably a majority of people who hate it do it on the basis of (perceived) quality, just read this thread. Where do you think "slop" comes from

>>723832613
It is a fact which is why you're acting this way.

>>723832313
if you can't even recognize it then you literally have no argument against its use. you're essentially screaming at clouds at the "idea" of it at that point.

>HE STOLE MY PROMPT
Fucking lmao

>>723804538
At least most of the crapware you can tell is crapware. But unless it's an indie I know (Slay the Spire, 1-2 others), or a AAA publisher that isn't my shitlist (which is gorwing) it's easy to ignore 99% of Steam's shovelware offerings.

No, I do not want "sexy time with underage women," Valve. *hides Adult content*
No, I don't want "garbage shovelware simulator" with EpigOnlineSpyware.dll included, Valve. *ignore this*

Hell, my Ignore game number has grown faster than their "viewed discovery queue" attempt they did during seasonal sales for like 2-3 years until they stopped. Which really should just clue Valve into personalizing my store to the 1% of shit I might be interested in, but somehow doesn't.

>>723833082
Meant for
>>723832678

>>723824104
>>723824687
>>723825405
>>723826091
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>>723831602
Curse Vishnu.

>>723832678
i hate to break it to you but nobody cares about your hand drawn furry inflation fetish deviant art account and nobody considers you an "actual artist"

I don't know about generative AI to make assets but if you aren't coding with some kind of an AI assistant then I can not take you seriously as a person.

>>723833180
keep crying a bout india, India will all replace u lol

>>723832714
>no argument
I accept your concession

>>723832783
>If you don't immediately notice you're being fed human flesh, you should have no issue with eating humans

AI art got me to actually learn how to draw because I could never get the generations quite right.

>>723826571
It's a big thing and that means you need to have an opinion on it even if you know nothing about it.

I am anti-AI mostly, but art is one place I support it. It allows more people than only idealogues with a message to create art.
Plus we kind of reached the end of the line on art. Humans already did everything. It peaked long ago and then started to decline once picasso came on the scene. Now "art" is just a banana taped to a wall or some retard squirting paint out of his ass.
AI can bring about a new creative renaissance.

>>723833810
Where don't you support it and why would you say something as crazy as we've done everything lol. That's so dumb.

>>723833478
>>If you don't immediately notice you're being fed human flesh, you should have no issue with eating humans
Are you implying that humans are killed by the use of AI tools? Or that you make it a point to ask if the meat you're eating comes from humans every time you eat meat? I'm not sure what argument you're trying to make.

>>723833180
fuck vishnu, and all the indian pantheon for that matter, but still, I'm glad this is happening to you and your kind

>>723833318
Always just feels like it gives me more work

>>723833915
>Where don't you support it
I oppose replacing ourselves with AI in all occupations to the point the economy and fundamental purpose of humanity is radically altered. I also oppose any kind of merge and any AGI.
>why would you say something as crazy as we've done everything lol. That's so dumb.
Once you are at the point you just throw random paint at a wall, it's over. Everything has been done. it is not like this is some sort of dark age either because there is a clear pattern of decline. Humanity figured out how to make all the beautiful art and got bored. AI can recreate the beautiful art humans once made. Humans have made everything there is to make artistically. We had to reach that point eventually.

>>723834252
You think the economy is the purpose of humanity? I guess if you think all art styles have been invented you probably would think something so batshit insane.

>>723797073
I realized this a long time ago before AI shit when I was studying gamedev and design. I used to want to do things the "right" way. It finally dawned on me the only thing anyone has ever cared about was how fast they could get shit done. They don't care how you do it, as long as its cheap, fast, and fun. Developers 30 years ago took as many shortcuts as they could possibility have access to at the time.

>>723795768 (OP)
>At this rate in 10-15 years every single game will use AI slop
Probably closer to 2-3 years. Even if you personally don't want to use AI, assets and tools are gonna be completely contaminated with AI.

>>723834632
AI is fundamentally anti-human. It is the replacement for humanity. Once AI is everywhere, what will humans do? Even religion is not safe because people will look to the AGI for spirituality. If they do not decide to go the mass extermination route once this happens then what will you do? Stare at the wall? Jerk off?
And I am sure you can throw the paint at the canvas in new configurations, but at the end of the day its still shit. Everything of any value has already been done.

im just waiting for the day where I, a no-coder, non-composer, non-artist, non-writer, basically 0 talents, can "vibecode" a fully functional game. The time spent building it doesn't matter to me, it's the quality of the output thats the most important and currently no tools on the entire market can satisfy my bar, doubly so since I refuse to pay a fee, but I don't mind investing in a powerful rig to run these things locally whenever that day comes, maybe in 10 years.

>>723832678
>act like smug faggots for stealing art
>cry about people stealing your super sekrit prompt
AI niggers really have no self awareness

>>723796253
photoshop released the context aware fill tool (proto ai) in 2010 so get refunding bitch

>>723835252
>thing that humans made for humans to live better lives is anti-human
Humans will do what they want to do. You need to step away from your cattle mindset, thinking your purpose should be given to you by shekelstein.
>Even religion is not safe because people will look to the AGI for spirituality
Okay... and? Do you realize how many religions people have gone through?
>Everything of any value has already been done.
This is such a mind boggling retarded take.

>>723835673
>Humans will do what they want to do
And what is that, exactly?
>Do you realize how many religions people have gone through?
I am preemptively attacking the argument that humans are going to like find themselves or some sheiit. AI will replace even that. Every other religion at odds with what the AI says will probably be banned.
>This is such a mind boggling retarded take.
Cool, I am still waiting on a rebuttal. Its not like it matters though because humanity will cease making art almost entirely within the next 10 years anyway.

>>723795768 (OP)
Now break down AI usage by country.

>>723836203
>And what is that, exactly?
I can't dude. I just can't. Asking the most retarded questions possible.

>>723833969
The argument is that the objections have to do with it than pure enjoyment or lack thereof of the thing itself

>>723836824
I accept your concession.

>>723836917
I feel bad for you. It must be so hard

>>723833436
>>723834082
>>723835673
SAAAAAAR

>>723801627
Spoken like a broken, fucking peinelss, humilated third-world cattle bitch faggot. Completely castrated defecist third-world coping worldview, no fuck you we will protest it and we're already making change.

>>723837184
Protesting doesn't change anything though it just slows progress down.

>>723795768 (OP)
And I won't buy a single one of them, so who cares?

>>723796208
I don't think AI can do much harm if you let it generate like a rock texture or a brick texture. Usually these things are stock anyway. Things like that are percectly acceptable

>>723824569
i want ai, but a lot of it still works and looks like ass, and if a toggle satisfies people then thats fine
when its good enough then toggles like that are gonna get naturally removed

>>723840324
you're literally killing artists

>>723832376
/thread
Jeetshills get the rope

>>723832678
Literally nobody cares about the artist, they just want the art and if they can do it themselves, they will. You lot are fucked and the sooner you adapt the better off you'll be.

>>723839949
And this is the worst it will ever be. God help everyone it's going to crush.

>>723796208
>the spiteful social rejects of 4chan are the ones most likely to have an AI shill amidst them.
So much as mentioning AI in a context that isn't negative will get some cunt screeching in your ear over it. Cry me a river.

>>723796208
>I'll join the proompter hordes and make my own games for myself and myself alone. Proompters are talentless idea guys. I have ideas too. Their "art" is exactly as worthless as mine.
Now you're getting it. Just skip the rest of your cope and get straight to this.

>>723796208
your problem is that you hate art, you even consider your own as worthless lol

>>723797073
All they had to do was not charge like $400 for one character and have an attitude about it. They made people take the first alternative just to not deal with them when they're like this

>>723845845
AI is better than their best anyway.

>>723795768 (OP)
I bought one game with some AI generated assets and it's mainly because I didn't notice the entirety of the assets as being lazy and still mostly all made by the developer, if the game is a lot bigger than usual you can get away with some assets that aren't all exactly set piece material. It should be pretty obvious which games have effort put into them and those that do not. The laziest of them all don't even put effort into their thumbnails or covers. I'm not sure why store bought assets has less stigma than AI sometimes though. There are those people who just believe in that artists should be paid and therefore it's' not bad when you do this because you're keeping someone in 3D modelling employed. But I don't like store made assets all that much either, reeks of the same laziness of AI.

>>723846931
>But I don't like store made assets all that much either, reeks of the same laziness of AI.
I would argue store made assets are even worse. At least AI is unique to the game.

>>723797452
Its funny how people called the Bayformer movies soulless and now their CGI mogs everything today since they took basic steps such as using plywood to create shadows in-scene rather than just filming everything greenscreen and going "We'll figure it out in post."

>>723797452
Just another case of blame the people not the tools.

>>723840505
>>723840575
>>723842389
>>723844469
>>723846392
>>723842389
SAAAAAAAAR

>>723850980
Screech into the void and die irrelevant.