Thread 723802090

Why is Fallout New Vegas still loved by everyone, while no one gives a shit about Fallout 3, Fallout 4, Fallout 76... How can a single game mogg so fucking hard the entirety of a franchise?

>>723802090 (OP)
It's mostly the calibre of the writing. The actual Wasteland is one of the weakest in the series and the gunplay is nothing special but the story and dialogue are so good it makes up for all that and more.

>>723802090 (OP)
zoomer nostalgia
fallout 1 is the best game in the series

That's blatantly false though? Quick check shows way more people play 4 than NV

>>723802090 (OP)

Fallout 3 = Fallout 4 > Fallout 1 > Fallout 2 >>

Fallout 4 is a lot more popular. Being terminally online and watching youtubers warps your perception of things.

>>723802090 (OP)
All these "role"-players play as Courier, which is inherently tied to fucking Benny. No matter what, it's always Benny.

>>723802467
I'm illiterate: The post.

>>723802470
Fallout 4 is more popular in the same way that McDonald's is more popular than Chick-fil-A. more people eat it but no one will ever argue that it is of higher quality

>>723802090 (OP)
> Oh my heckin glorified political spectrum test for middle school kids

>>723802431
try again

>>723802207
So the stuff bethesda provided is shit and what obsidian made is the good part

>>723802564
I can't hear you on account of my rock solid tastes.

>>723802703
Why would the small difference in rating scores matter more than the amount of people actually playing the games?
Even there I can see FO4 has received more reviews than NV, despite being newer

>>723802431
>>723802467
>>723802470
Dude, nobody gives a single shit about your bethestroonsloppa.

>>723802090 (OP)
fag shit is why critics like it

>>723802703
>Fallout 4 has more players there too
uhhh, anon you ok?

>>723802868
>Eat shit, a million flies can't be wrong
That's you

>>723802912
Then they would love 4 and 76 far more though.

>>723802707
The gameplay / world is perfectly serviceable but they're not the reason NV is still remembered so fondly

>>723802876
Five times as many people care about it than NV on Steam alone

>>723802876
>New Vegas tranny trying to spin the narrative
oh shit, saars SAAARS DO NOT REDEEM

>>723802947
The claim was popularity, not quality
Plus I could just call NV shit to disregard all its positive reviews too if you want to play that game

>>723802987
FO4 is popular for the same reason Skyrim is popular: both are shitty games propped up by modding. You don't see anyone talking about the writing or the plot or the roleplaying of any of those games, because they're all shit.

>>723803002
>tranny
You're much more likely to find troonshit in bethesjeet games.

>>723802703
>welcome to Vegas. New Vegas babyyyy
>HEY GUYS WE MADE THIS AND WE MADE THAT AND THOSE GAMES ARE GOOD AND SO IS THIS ONE SO PLEASE BUY IT ITS THE NEXT BIG THING BUY NOW!!!!

>>723803096
Nigga NV has its own huge modding scene and has just as many people who'd say various unofficial patches are mandatory for it

>"role playing" means playing pretend with dolls
FNV has been a disaster for RPGs

>>723803169
Yet the homosexuals are all inside New Vegas.
oh no no no no no hahahahah

>>723803216
You can play it without mods and it would be perfectly fine, the game would still be great. Can't say the same thing about bethesdaslop which is only popular because of its modding scene.

>>723803096
I do talk about them, more so Fallout 3. I love discussing the plot setting of FO3.

>>723803338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4DyHnPJjjc
Coping hard.

>>723803413
I played FO4 in its entirety without mods and found that fine too
To disregard 4's immensely larger playerbase with claims modding somehow invalidates them, you'd have to prove more than 80% of them are doing it anyway

>>723803664
Vanilla FO4 is complete garbage without fuck tons of mods to fix it, and even then nothing can salvage it's voiced protag, dialog wheel, level-scaled enemies and dogshit writing.

this board is just full of 50+ year olds to still reminisce about this ancient game

>>723803414
It's bad dude, nobody cares about FO3 anymore and for a good reason.

>>723803780
Good games are timeless, you don't have to be a boomer to acknowledge this. There's also nothing like FNV in the market.

>>723804145
Yes there is, it's called Animal Crossing.

>>723803928
For terrible reasons, it's the most touching story in all the franchise.

>>723803413
In what world is New Vegas perfectly playable vanilla, but Fallout 4 needs mods? What kind of retarded logic is this?

>>723802090 (OP)
They actually cared about the RPG aspect of the game. The sheer amount of perk/weapon variety alone puts all those other games to shame then pair it with some rounded out factions and a non-retarded story that doesn't railroad you and it easily tops Bethesda's offerings. Fallout 4 had a lot of potential but the Shaun bullshit made me not even want to bother with it.

>>723806752
Stop being rational

>>723806085
>it's the most touching story in all the franchise.
It's a terrible story for an RPG and the ending is so retarded they tried to fix it with DLC

>>723806752
>Factions
Shame that the majority of them are dog shit or irrelevant. A Fallout game based around actual factions would be kino.

>>723802090 (OP)
I like 3 but good god the first few hours of that shit are rough

Also the atmosphere would have been greatly improved if it was set closer to when the bombs fell (say before 1 even) and it weren't a shitty Mashup of the first two games storywise

>>723802703
>obsiditroon so deeply delusional it posts evidence disputing its own point
incredible

>>723806976
>Shame that the majority of them are dog shit or irrelevant
I disagree, they all fill their own little niches and you're encouraged to either kill or form alliances with them throughout the main story as you should in a proper RPG. Fallout 4 was a step in the right direction but they struggled with the actual writing bit so they all come across as various degrees of retarded. The BoS was the closest one to being okay but even they had some problems. The Institute was straight up retarded, none of their goals or actions made any sort of logical sense despite being the faction of supposedly "smart" people. The Railroad were also a bunch of retards that seemed to care about synths more than actual people. The Minutemen were fucking nothing and they're integrally tied to the shitty settement mechanic and one of the most annoying characters in the game so they end up utterly squandering what could have been a cool theme.

>>723807684
The problem with New Vegas' factions, is that outside of the NCR and Legion, the rest are uninteresting footnotes in your journey. They control such remote and tiny parts of the maps that you never go to outside of doing the handful of quests that take place in the area, that your relationship with them barely matters. Like the Boomers, absolutely worthless faction once you finish their questline. Or the Powder Gangers, Khans, Followers, etc. If they're not the NCR, Legion or House, they exist solely to be a bit in the ending slide.
Fallout 4's factions were just nonsense though, and as you said, the BoS is the only passable one.

>>723806963
It's the perfect story for a roleplaying game. DLC was unnecessary, point lookout was nice though.

>>723808053
>It's the perfect story for a roleplaying game
There is barely any roleplaying though, it's the same problem as Fallout 4 where they just straight up define your character and force you to go find someone to progress the main quest. The ending was also retarded where the two companions that are completely immune to radiation refuse to go press a button for completely arbitrary reasons which is why they changed that bullshit for Broken Steel.

I'm still mad at New Vegas for not letting me knock up Cass and Veronica.

>>723808021
I don't really see how that's a problem, the relationship with those factions are determined by which of the big boys you decide to go with so you have a nice bit of layered faction interaction. Plus the big boys are written competently enough to make them interesting and they all have a different thematically appropriate approach to how they view the pre-war world thing going on. My only criticism is that the Legion clearly needed more expansion since so much of their stuff got cut for time but even as is they're still better than many of their contemporaries.

>>723808590
>There is barely any roleplaying though
Then you're playing incorrectly. You don't need to be given dialogue options in order to roleplay.

>>723802090 (OP)
nice cope but
THE TODD ALWAYS WINS

>>723809047
I mean if you look at Obsidian's later games it's pretty obvious why

>>723809047
I'm sorry, anon, but this is not a game for hetrosexuals

>>723809629
>You don't need to be given dialogue options in order to roleplay.
You need to be given choices to make which the game does not really give and when they do they make no sense. No matter what you have to go chasing after Daddy for reasons even if you want to roleplay as an evil dickbag then even if you're roleplaying as an evil dickbag you gotta help Daddy with his project but for some reason you can also poison the water and kill everyone (including yourself) because all the evil dickbag options you're given are completely irrational for some reason. All FNV does is go "some guy shot you in the head and stole an item from you, he went that way, maybe go after him if you want" and the world is your sandbox.

I really enjoyed Fallout NV, but I never got the impression that it was anything special in terms of roleplaying.
I think the best thing about it is the open-ended quest system for getting whatever ending you need. Your chosen leaders give you specific goals for sub-factions, and you need to figure out how to get there.

Aside from that, the moment-to-moment dialogue choices mostly amount to "I'll do it because I'm good" "I'll do it because you're going to pay me" "Negotiate for more money" "No, I won't do it (yet)"
yes, I'm thinking of New Vegas here. It's got a similar problem to Fallout 4. Only difference is that you can ask questions in NV.

The dialogue skill check system is terrible, and I'll die on that hill. It would be so much better in terms of roleplaying if you were just not shown the failed options, and not shown which ones are skill checks until you pass it and gain XP.
Granted, you're a lot less incentivized to save scum, that was a big issue with Fallout 3, but I feel like they could have found another solution without completely gutting it.

It's also surprisingly hard and simultaneously easy to be an evil character. What I mean is that to be evil, you just join whichever faction you think is worse (I've heard all four be called the evil ones), and pick the mean dialogue options, or ones asking for only caps. It's all just so lukewarm.

>>723802090 (OP)
It's the closest thing to the originals, but 3D. Lots of popular mods are things that make it even closer.

>>723802431
OH NO NO VN SISTERS WE LOST!!!

>still a landmark in role-playing
grim

>>723810408
>You need to be given choices to make which the game does not really give
Not necessarily, but even still you have options and choices to make. You don't have to engage with characters, you can even kill all of them with no limitations. You don't need sarcastic and witty dialogue options like Fallout 2 presented.
>No matter what you have to go chasing after Daddy
You actually can ignore that quest if you wanted to. However, the character you're roleplaying would want to pursue him >>723803414

For once, a game's threads are somehow WORSE outside of its general.

>>723809051
The problem is that you can't really get invested in a minor faction and possibly help them rise to a major faction. They're such non-entities on the majority of the map that your relationship with them doesn't matter. Hell, even the Legion has such little presence in the world that being vilified by them doesn't really change anything or how you play. No, I'm not saying you should be able to become the leader of all factions, but you should be able to help most of them expand outside of their tiny zones.

>>723810824
>You don't have to engage with characters, you can even kill all of them with no limitations
That's flat out wrong, the amount of essential characters is borderline comical. You are not allowed to kill Daddy or other characters until the game says it's okay if ever.
>However, the character you're roleplaying would want to pursue him
That's precisely the problem, they GIVE you an established character with predetermined goals, history, and wants and tell you to go complete the story they have in mind with minor variations. It's the worst of both worlds, the player character is too paper thin to be properly compelling like say a Geralt but you are also never given enough options to make the character truly yours. My Lone Wanderer is likely not much different than your Lone Wanderer.

>>723811224
Ah, I didn't realize there was unkillable characters because I didn't go blasting everyone lol. I just assumed you could, but it's not like it's a very good roleplaying experience to kill everyone. I don't think we'll agree about roleplaying a preestablished character being a bad thing. Most RPGs do that.

>>723802090 (OP)
Becuase Fallout New Vegas is the only good vanilla 3D Fallout game. Similar to how Morrowind is the only good vanilla TES game. Every other TES game and every other 3D Fallout needs a bunch of mods to be good.
>Skyrim needs thousands of mods to be good
>Oblivion needs hundreds of mods to be ok and is still pretty shit
>Daggerfall needed an entirely new engine to be fixed and moddable
>Fallout 3 needed to be ported into New Vegas to be good
>Fallout 4 needs thousands of mods and is still not good for anything but a survival sim.
>Fallout 76 needed years of updates and is now only a slightly better vanilla Fallout 4.

>>723802090 (OP)
They're all kinda ass but NV has a cool story and guns.

>>723802090 (OP)
Is it just me, or does it seem like a sizable portion of New Vegas fans have some kind of persecution complex?

>>723811660
>Fallout 3 needed to be ported into New Vegas to be good
lol? lay off the crack

>>723811529
>I just assumed you could, but it's not like it's a very good roleplaying experience to kill everyone
The fact that something so simple is not even an option is terrible RPG design. Outside of children not a single NPC is marked as essential and there are plenty of consequences if you want to go full murder hobo.
>I don't think we'll agree about roleplaying a preestablished character being a bad thing. Most RPGs do that.
It depends on the context. A situation like Geralt or Henry is fine because they don't try to trick you into thinking that you can play anything other than a variation of that particular character. Outside of that very particular context a good RPG is one where the player is given as many options as can be realistically conceived and the player is railroaded as little as possible both in terms of the story and their background, letting the player fill that out. The PC should be bother reactive and active as well, that's where a player's choices are derived.

>>723811846
This nigger likes misaligned sights, gayer weapons and unstable games.

>>723812014
>The fact that something so simple is not even an option is terrible RPG design.
Again not really, most RPGs don't allow you to kill just anybody. Most RPGs give you a character to roleplay.

>>723812098
That chad likes zooming the camera way out and using V.A.T.s like a turn-based crpg game.

>>723811660
>Becuase Fallout New Vegas is the only good vanilla 3D Fallout game.
lol. Nothing like starting the game and getting bombarded with DLC prompts and bunch of OP gear to trivialise the early game. Nothing like repair being a mandatory stat regardless of build because the vendor repairs prices are balanced like ass. Nothing like an empty and bland Vegas because the game was optimised around consoles.

>>723812275
Exceptional RPGs don't, exceptional RPGs are ones that try to account for every player's possible action or at least give you enough to feel satisfying. Fallout 3 does not.

>>723809749
Based GODD shitting on NV trannies

>>723812371
Yes but enough about FO3

Why does New Vegas being good cause a genuine meltdown for some people?

>>723812474
We're talking about Fallout franchise. I can't even fathom what you are considering exceptional in the video game space. It's not Dungeons & Dragons.

>>723811846
FO3 is so trash that it needs to be ported to NV through ToTW to make it digestible.

>>723812371
Holy Trvke

>>723812590
Seething nv tranny

>>723812590
>none of that is true for Fallout 3
you good, bro?

Why does Fallout 4 being vastly more popular than NV make trannies seethe and dilate so hard?

>>723802090 (OP)
I still don't understand how this shit became so popular. It's just F3 with a bit of paint, it's the SAME FUCKING SHIT as Todd's garbage but a little bit different.
It's neither a good Fallout game nor a good game at all.

>>723812371
Compared to any other 3D Fallout game, NV is still the best by far. FO3 has an absolute travesty of level designs around metro stations that you HAVE to use every time you want to stroll around DC, FO4's entire world is just trash from start to the end, the art direction kills the atmosphere completely, and FO76 is still mediocre as hell, but it's getting slightly better with each new update, just slightly

>>723812609
Literally ruins everything to do that. You lose the straight forward gameiness. You lose the FOV. You lose the pacing. I pity anyone who uses Tale of two Wastelands.

>>723802431
More people eath at McDonalds than at a michein resteurant what's your point

>>723812638
FO3 is so sick no one gives a fuck about it anymore lmao also I’ll take DLC prompts any day over the putrid rotting garbage that is the FO3 intro.

>>723812605
We're talking about how FNV is a much better designed RPG. They don't saddle the Courier with a shittily written background, they don't force you to be strung along in a particular order, and you're given plenty of characters and factions to deal with how you see fit.

>>723812676
>>none of that is true for Fallout 3
why even lie bro? the world, atmosphere, gunplay, dlcs popping in the beginning of your quest, all shit.

>>723802703
It has way more reviews despite new vegas being like $3 dollars? Ok weird self own

>>723812782
>Compared to any other 3D Fallout game
Compared to Fallout 4 and Fallout 3 it's just a standalone expansion pack with horrible world design

>>723812785
FO3 has no decent mods, nobody cares about it at all. Everyone moved on to FNV and makes mods for it, which if you care about FO3 and want to play it in a decent state, you have to get that.

>>723802947
This reply doesn’t make sense either since new vegas has a similar amount of reviews just lower than fallout 4. Is this a fucking bot? Like what the fuck am I reading here

>>723806350
NV needs mods to not crash.
F4 needs mods to be fun.

>>723812912
>so horrible it’s the most fondly remembered and replayed

Woah is this an…..own?

>>723812912
Nobody bothers with those games anon, they're nonsensical travesties that todd and goymil shat out to pretend they understand what Fallout is all about, they're terribly written garbage from start to the end.

>>723812869
>gunplay
But Fallout 3's gunplay was ass. I mean for fuck's sake, there were barely any guns to actually use.

>>723812974
>NV needs mods to not crash.
It never crashed on me.

>>723812974
Fallout 4 barely has mods compared to NV I don’t know what this shit bot thread is.

>>723802090 (OP)
Good sidequest writing for the most part with incentives to replay them for alternate paths.

>>723812767
it's not popular it's just got a lot of autists which is common with the people that made it. (you might think it's them)

>>723813128
Yeah I know, its guns sucked ass too, literally nothing felt good to use.

>>723812782
New Vegas is my favourite 3D Fallout game, but you are a retard if you think the level design is better than Fallout 3, and even stupider if you believe it is better than Fallout 4. New Vegas is flat and empty, with a whole lot of nothing off the beaten path. Huge empty places like the race track and the dried up lake are the perfect example of New Vegas' level design.

>>723802090 (OP)
>Why is Fallout New Vegas still loved by everyone
You mean trannies because only they like New Vegas

>>723813247
At least FNV gave actual variety to use. Fallout 3, 4, and Starfield were complete ass when it came to weapon variety. FNV felt like the only game to go "hey, maybe we should make more than one type of SMG so that if players want to use that type of weapon they aren't stuck with a single option for the entire game"

>>723812836
Well if you think so then have at it. I don't really enjoy New Vegas. It always felt like Red Dead Redemption but the horse is missing, and there's invisible walls at the top of every huge hill. I never had a problem roleplaying and enjoying my time through Fallout 3. I did get annoyed when I tried to jump over a mountain in NV only to hit nothing but air, which I'm left to presume the devs wanted me to pass through one of their intended routes through the game. I'm not someone who gets off on dialogue options and a facile faction system. If I go to megaton in FO3 and shoot people then they will attack me if I leave and come back, that's good enough to me. If I run from enemies they follow me through doors, that's good enough for me. A few weapon types to use and few craftable items is good enough for me. NV just seems like too much tacked on needless stuff. I don't want every character to have branching dialogue, I don't want dozens of different guns. NV is just a quantity thing to me. FO3 is special, it revived the franchise and brought it into 3D. NV is mediocre, it just added tons of needless stuff.

You think NV is a better RPG, happy for you.

>>723813040
FNV is a good game but it got famous after the youtube algorithm picked it up. The number of people gushing over and referencing it far outnumber who have actually played it and it invited this idiotic "role playing" discussion that people argue about in every thread.

>>723813476
>I don't want an RPG I wan an action game
okay lol

>praising fnv weapons
this is a different level of glazing

>>723813372
Metro stations are the worst thing ever introduced in 3D Fallouts.

Fallout 3 is idiotic as society is pretty much still nonexistent 200 years after the bombs fell. Its not like it stopped all knowledge. Like motherfuckers, just read engineering books on how to make stuff

>>723813716
It has great arsenal, much better than whatever toddsloppa is shitting on your plate. FNV devs actually had knowledge about weaponry.

>>723802090 (OP)
I think 4 got a lot of people playing, but it didn't have the long life that Skyrim did.
I don't give a shit about MMOs and people that play them are subhuman, so no one cares about 76
NV is popular because it's one of those lightning in a bottle scenarios where all the stuff that works is phenomenal and the stuff that doesn't can be fixed by the communication, so you create this general, collaborative effort that's like digging a diamond mine
VtMB is the same thing. The atmosphere, dialogue, ambiance, characters, all are great. The bugs and issue can be fixed, so people do and participate in a community that grows by participation and positive feedback

>>723813565
FNV is still vastly more relevant than FO3, nobody gives a single fuck about FO3 anymore.

>>723813716
Compared to most non-combat focused first person games, it was pretty good. It had different effects, limb specific damage, super moves, unique weapons for you to use and find.

>>723813791
Holy shit, CP77 passed NV?
Are the mods any good? I've been hear anything about its modding community

>>723813716
They actually bothered to give multiple playstyles more than a single digit in terms of options, of course I'm gonna praise that shit. Not to mention the novel idea of making unique weapons actually look unique which Bethesda still hasn't seemed to pick up on despite being easy as shit to implement.

>>723813476
>You think NV is a better RPG,
It very factually is
Bethesda can't inject a single ounce of personality into their silent protagonists and that kills the roleplaying aspect everytime

My biggest issue with Fallout 4 is the lack of weaponry and armors. The game could have an overhaul like Cyberpunk 2.0 but Bethesda are lazy idiots and push out DLCs on a buggy and unbalanced base game EVERY SINGLE TIME and adds power creep to make it more imbalanced with DLCs.

Hoping they lrn2devs with TES6.

>>723813717
Nope. They are much better than the empty roads of New Vegas that either only have one-time fixed encounters or encounters that respawn in the same place all the time. Which is why modding New Vegas' world to be more dynamic and have more world events is my top priority whenever I play. The setting is the worst part of New Vegas.

>>723814039
>Nope
Yep, didn't read the rest of your brainlet word salad.

>>723813716
The only other modern game on this level is Cyberpunk and Stalker2. Yes FNV had the right idea.

>>723814005
>Hoping they lrn2devs with TES6.
Lol
Lmao even

>>723813791
Fallout 4 won

>>723813846
>no one cares about 76
I agree this is true but you’re perpetuating the myth that people give a shit about NV.

76 had more players than NV did on the weekend. The 24h peak today is more than double NV. Currently NV does have more players by about 2k, so there is that. Probably due to the recent anniversary. Monthly averages also are in the favor of 76 by again more than double NV.

So you’re right. 76 is irrelevant. And NV is less than half of 76 in relevancy

>>723802090 (OP)
Because it's a good RPG they basically took Fallout 3 and only made it better:
>weapon mods
>multiple types of ammo for guns each with different properties
>replaced DR with DT that plays into the ammo system as now you need to use different types of ammo for armored vs non armored targets
>hardcore mode, it wasn't much but just adding weight to items dials up the immersion way more and makes the game more fun
>shotguns can actually shoot at targets more than 5 feet away (you have no idea how much of a difference this actually makes than the retarded shotguns in Fallout 3 and 4
>pretty much every build in the game can be made OP meaning you can actually play the game differently numerous times using different play styles and weapons and have fun
>locations are better designed as is the world building and the DLCs are all great

The only thing that Fallout 3 clearly beats NV at is the base game world, the Capital Wasteland is much more interesting than the Mojave.

>>723814005
>My biggest issue with Fallout 4 is the lack of weaponry and armors.
It's crazy because this exact same bullshit carried onto Starfield where that game had an absolutely pathetic offering, especially if you were into melee. Like they couldn't even bother to give you a space hammer.

Bethesdashills... Our response...?

>>723813565
New vegas and dark souls 2 are two sides of the same coin. Both games have their false reputation because they were topic of the first (non Nintendo focused) video game video essays on YouTube.

>>723814112
In that case, at least consoles have vanilla-lite overhaul mods now unlike 15 years ago.

I expect perks adding 10% more damage every 10 levels being mandatory. At least TES have a variety of uniques compared to Fallout.

>>723814106
You read it, just couldn't come up with a rebuttal. As usual, disingenuous faggots run at the slightest resistance.

>>723814248
>the Capital Wasteland is much more interesting than the Mojave.
I don’t agree at all

>>723814457
I genuinely did not, anyone who defends metro stations is a low-IQ nigger, period.

>>723814248
Shotguns are better in fallout 4 than new vegas

>>723813476
It's this kind of shit why Fallout 3 basically has no replayability. You're just a jack of all trades with no specialization and fuck all to do because you aren't given may options. There isn't much you lose between a good karma playthrough or a bad one, they're basically the same. This shit was novel during the early days of sandbox games but it's clear that New Vegas is clearly the better designed RPG.

>>723813903
CP77 is 99% hairmods and clothing. Cosmetic shit. I don't know if the engine is just hard to mod or the community sucks, but there's barely anything that mods the gameplay in any significant way.

Half of FO4 mods are settlement blueprints , hairmods , clkothes and weapons ported from COD.

>>723814530
I'm assuming you fast travel everywhere in New Vegas if you think the metros are worse than empty roads.

>>723814248
I never liked the DT because the difficulty system isn't balanced for it. Fallout difficulty system should be based on the amount of shit you can find in containers. VH would have little loot so caps become more important and you no longer have 999 ammo or 99+ meds/stims after 10 hours.

>>723814774
I never fast travel.

>>723814815
Then how can you tolerate New Vegas' empty roads, but get accept at metros? Do you get lost in them?

>>723814248
>the Capital Wasteland is much more interesting than the Mojave
Eh, the Capital Wasteland is only more interesting in theory. It's clearly designed as a cheap theme park with the depth of a puddle. Character and settlement motivations don't need to be internally consistent, it's just a brief distraction to make you go "that's neat" then move on to the next. It's a lot of cases where if you actually sit and think about things for more than a second it completely falls apart so they try to keep throwing wacky shit at you so you don't do that.

>>723814294
Starfield had lots of ranged weapons but with a shittier crafting system than any other games i've played wtf were they thinking? Also the good stuff appeared at high levels which is retarded because you already finished the game.

>>723813591 >>723814003 >>723814590
Let me ask you a question, do multiple shotguns, different types of ammo for them, does that constitute variety?

>>723815029
You cannot get lost in Vegas, Metro stations however are shaped like copypasted mazes, that go on and on, which you MUST traverse through if you want to complete the main quest and travel to DC.

>>723815029
NTA but an open road is less retarded because you can go in whatever direction you want, metro tunnels are inherently confining and whatever vibe they might give gets old real fucking fast when you're forced to go in them constantly.

>>723815029
These games needs more roving patrols spawning randomly. Gamebryo is perfect for this shit and you have an empty world without respawns instead. Radiant AI predates A-life and are very similar. Todd is afraid to crank up radiant AI for some reason.

>>723802207
>The actual Wasteland is one of the weakest in the series

How do these FPS ones stack up against 1 and 2 anyways? I only played the first two.

>>723815106
Yes, and aside from those, NV has traits, way more perks that affect the gameplay, weapon mods, multiple factions you can side with or be against, DLCs that are directly tied to the main quest which can change things depending on how you act etc. etc.

>>723815378
How come >>723812498 in this thread there's anons arguing about how different types of the same creature doesn't constitute variety?

>>723815106
>does that constitute variety?
Yes? Every weapon type has more options and some have unique gimmicks in the case of the recharger weapons. Different ammo types as long with perks that synergize with those weapons lead to more build variety as just about everything has an early/mid/end game progression so you don't get bored using the same thing for most of the game.

>>723815207
I was referring to the metro in regards to getting lost. The metro also helps DC feel large, rather than just being a block or two.
>>723815256
I agree with you, but the problem is that New Vegas has nothing off the roads. Not to mention that the game is absolutely fucking riddled with invisible walls.
>>723815351
Yes, more patrols and more random encounters are a must. Does New Vegas even have any roaming NPCs like the Caravans in FO3?

>>723802090 (OP)
It's actually good

>>723815580
Help get to the bottom of this conundrum >>723815475

>>723812797
No is claiming that no one gives a shit about McDonald's

>>723803414
Based game.

>>723815475
Why even bring up Zelda in the first place?

>>723815668
As far as i can remember, FNV doesn't even have random encounters. They're all scripted and are all at the same spots everytime. Skyrim/Fallout cranked them up drastically compared to FO3. That's why and how FNV feels dead and there's literally no reason to not fast travel as much as you can.

>>723816006
I'm just confounded by it, and wanted some outside perspective on it. Like with nightkin in New Vegas, is that its own creature varied from a supermutant?

>>723815668
>Does New Vegas even have any roaming NPCs like the Caravans in FO3?
Yes.

>>723815710
I'm not reading that thread but I'm assuming it has to do with considering simple model variations of the same enemy not being true variety. That's not the case here though, a double barrel does not feel like a pump action does not feel like a lever action. Different ammo having different effects that aren't just stat variations adds another layer as well. These aren't just minor visual differences, I don't understand why you're trying to make them feel that way.

>>723816138
Yes, they were already established in FO1, they're just schizo muties that can turn invisible. I liked cazadores though, they're super fast, durable and deadly, their inclusion could give deathclaws some pain in the ass.

>>723816138
Not him but if their combat AI and stats are the same, it's just recolours. Variety of creatures aren't just recolours and same AI with increased health pools. Even old Final Fantasy recolours had different attacks which i considervariety.

>>723816029
Yeah, the walk to Novac playing out the same every playthrough gets old fast.
>>723816165
Who? And what locations do they travel to and from?

>>723816029
Skyrim uses the exact same system for "random" encounters as FO3 and NV , there's just more of them.

>>723816414
Toddslop will never be true Fallout.

>>723816138
They're just the remnants of an elite sect of the Master's army that had their skin turned blue and started going skitzo because of prolonged stealth boy exposure.

>>723802090 (OP)
It's a landmark in shit

>>723816242
>>723816260
Nightkin feel different than Supermutants right? does a Bokoblin feel different when encased in armor that needs blown up, or riding into battle on an Aerocuda?

>>723809047
It's clear why this is.

>>723816425
That would mean that nightkin and supermutants are the same, because they have the same ai, they're just recolored and turned invisible with a stealthboy. They do not constitute a varied enemy encounter?

>>723802431
I think Fallout 4 and NV players should unite and start laughing at the real losers in all this.

>>723816521
In terms of gameplay they're just super mutants that can turn invisible and have better quality gear than your average super mutant. They're still super mutants, just a sub-type.

>>723812098
>>723812609
Except it doesn’t improve it and in every way ruins it. Plus you miss out on all the badass Chadout 3 mods and instead have to use shit woke propaganda mods by the likes of Kyle Marshiku.

>>723816616
76 daily peak is more than double NV. I think their servers went down.

>>723816763
Is it a varied enemy encounter do you reckon

>>723802431
I have to open it via the borderless fullscreen mod otherwise the game shits the bed when I tab out. Also I bought it on GOG since old games are usually better on there

>>723816439
I enjoyed FNV back in 2010-2012 but it would be very boring to play now. It's a good RPG but shit for exploration and unexpected combat scenarios.
>>723816476
Fallout 4 random encounters are very frequent but unfortunately these games aggro range is mediocre so you rarely get into crazy shitshows except when spawns are very close.

Chadout 3 chadasses.... We are irrelevant....

>>723816414
>>723816493
>>723816578
i love these retarded memes

>>723816856
It's not meant to be so not really.

>>723816894
I never encountered anything in the Fallout games like I had in Fallout 4. I remember it was some unique enemy that was like some superhero or outlaw that used a special kind of energy gun that shot like expanding circles. As soon as they happened upon me it was a comeplete shitshow lol.

>>723816929
What caused the spike a year and a half ago?

>>723816929
That’s because Chadout 3 Badassess play the original PC disks and not the WEF Steam where you vill not own your games and be happy.

>>723802207
no RPG has better gunplay

>>723816929
Twice as many as 1 and 2, the real shit games according to our flawless steam chart quality rating system

>>723802090 (OP)
At least those games are acknowledged shit
FNV is overrated shit which is even worse

>>723816607
Invisibility makes it different. Without it, it's just a recolour.

>>723817094
because RPGs don't have "gunplay" they have roleplaying. The 3d fallout games are first person shooters

>>723817117
Those are some old ass games tho, they're much less welcoming to an average player

3 and 4 are filler games. All 3 did was bring the Fallout universe to 3D, which was temporarily novel. There's no reason to go back to it. All it does is retread ideas from the first two games, and have a tonne of mediocre writing and Bethesda jank,

>>723811660
>New Vegas is the only good vanilla 3D Fallout game
top kek, it crashes every 10 minutes without mods

>>723817040
You don't think so. How come the ghoul characters have such unique things to say about them though. This is the kind of thing that happens often in an RPG, they try to spice up something that's not that special with some dialogue fluff. You didn't think much of what they had to say about them, and the combat with them right?

>>723817094
Probably not even true.
I mean, Borderlands probably has better gunplay, if that's what you're looking for.
STALKER, even.

Wait a second fallout 4 was the chad game all this time?

F3 threads are a sharty raiding tactic.

>>723817259
new vegas is 15 and 3 is old enough to post here next year.

>>723817270
Please

>>723816894
That's why you've gotten mod it to at least add more variety to spawn points.

>>723817168
I'd be inclined to agree it leads to a considerably different encounter. They look different, they're spoken of differently, you fight them in an enclosed space whereas supermutants are typically fought in open areas, and to top it off they come onto you while invisible by default.

>>723817047
Sounds like the gamma gun whichs destroys your health in seconds. Children of Atom spamming this shit is annoying on survival.
Random encounters are even more crazy with the robots DLC.

>>723817293
Mechanically they aren't a distinct enemy beyond being able to turn invisible. Lore-wise they are a unique faction because the individual characters act different from normal super mutants. Them all having some sort of psychosis makes them fun characters.

>>723817291
Nope it doesn't.
>>723817429
And FNV has more than 8 times of the players FO3 has every day.

>>723817384
Boringlands have gunplay akin Fallout 4. Cyberpunk have better gunplay than Fallout games by a huge margin.

>>723817584
and fallout 4 has 4 times the amount of new vegas, so what?

>>723817584
Because people play FO3 through New Vegas.

>>723817564
So asides from the background lore, they're not varied from supermutants

>>723817748
Is this the new cope? Nobody cares about discussing FO3 in any capacity.
>>723817732
FO4 is a modern game, of course it will have more players thanks to its updated engine and extensive modding capabilities. Now, nobody would care about FO4 if it did not support any mods, which is the only reason why it's still alive to this day, same thing with Skyrim.

My first Fallout was NV and getting into 3 later was difficult. Everything about 3 is janky and the story is nonsenses. 4 was copy pasta from 3 story wize but with more freedom of choices on quests and endings despite the lack of dialogue.
Never played online only shit that is 76.

>>723817943
For most of its existence fallout 4 had less mods than new vegas. It only has more mods because it’s more popular it took like 7 years to reach that state

>>723817943
No, it's the truth. TTW is the definitive way to play Fallout 3 now. You get all the benefits of New Vegas and all the engine improvements by modders, making the game much more stable. New Vegas doesn't see much discussion either outside of these petty New Vegas vs Fallout 3 threads

>>723816138
In terms of gameplay, Nightkin generally only use melee weapons and have the invisibility gimmick.
I /think/, they have different natural DR/DT compared to Super Mutants, as well. HP values may also be different.
Enemies have a lot of behaviors and such under the hood in 3/NV, but it's hard to notice because it never matters ever in combat.

In terms of lore, Nightkin were the special ops of The Master's Army, and they gradually went insane and turned blue from Stealth Boy use. New Vegas doesn't make it really clear, but Nightkin aren't a special breed of Super Mutant, they're just mutants who were smart enough to be given more specialized postings in guarding The Cathedral or assassination missions and were given Stealth Boys for it.
So all Nightkin are intelligent Gen 1 mutants, but not all intelligent Gen 1 mutants are Nightkin, see; Marcus, Neil at Black Mountain, The Lieutenant and so on.

>>723818340
Anon NV has a subreddit with over 300k users in it, youtube videos about it are still being made (which get quite a bit of views), meanwhile the same things are nonexistent for FO3.
>>723818251
Now I wouldn't know that since I never bothered with FO4 after playing it once.

>>723818532
>NV has a subreddit with over 300k users in it
that explains a lot

>>723818251
Too many mods are mostly for faggots and/or porn addicts. Remove all this trash and you have meme mods or tacticool shit. Fallout is never going to get better, not after 76 and the TV show.
At least TES still exists and Starfield will never see the light of the day again which is a good thing.

>>723817943
I like discussing FO3, but vegastrannys always want to relate it back to how much they felate that game.

>>723802090 (OP)
Idk i remember being extremely underwhelmed by it when it came out and I never revisited. I hated that the environment was all an ugly bleak orange desert, I thought the Roman legionnaires looked gay and out of place, and when I finally got to the titular 'new vegas', it was like 6 buildings in a parking lot that's smaller than my property IRL. Yea yea i know "filtered" or whatever but the setting did nothing for me.

Who benefits from this psyop against NV? It's the Jews, trying to destroy one of the last good things from the West? It's the central troon agency? It's just organized troons? Is it Todd, the diarrhea sniffer? Is it Todd the troon? Who? Weird.
Anyway, NV happened. It will never not happen. Troons can seethe assblastedly for all time.

i recently replayed fallout 3 and concluded it sucks
there's ~15 quests, and you can sequence skip through some of them.
the outcome is naturally always the same, there's a limited amount of changes.
it's such a short series of events that you can easily memorize them, an expansive RPG should never be that simple. this makes it more of a linear story FPS.
the canon ending was so reviled it had to be retconned.

i enjoy NVs story and acting a lot more, and its RPG elements are much stronger, there's more quests and more to do, and the DLC was all better.

>>723818532
Sure, but my point was that Fallout 3's player is low because everyone plays it through TTW now.

>>723818656
Keep those tears coming anon.

>>723818494
You would consider them a variety of enemy though right. If someone asked you how many enemies the game has, you would count it separately correct?

>>723817769
They're not meant to be, they're a sub-faction. No one is acting like Brotherhood Scribes are a distinct entity from Knights. They're part of the same faction but have different roles.

>>723802090 (OP)
Fallout 3 is still talked about. In fact, most of the iconography of the series either originated in or was popularised by 3.

NV glazing is also historical revisionism, since the game had a lukewarm reception upon its release compared to the critical acclaim 3 was met with. It took about 3-4 years before fellating NV really took off as a trend.

>>723818802
You can't see them anyway, and you don't even realize I weep because the story of Fallout 3 is so moving.

>>723818584
The point is that there's a dedicated community behind it, meanwhile FO3 has... nothing.
>>723818798
Certainly not everyone, like the spammer ITT who thinks TTW ruins FO3.

>>723818902
kek
>>723818896
You do know you're not fooling anyone, right?

>>723818817
No one here is. They're a variant of the Super Mutant enemy type just like all the other enemy types have different variants. What is the point of this argument?

>>723818925
>Certainly not everyone, like the spammer ITT who thinks TTW ruins FO3.
Well, normal people anyway.

>>723818817
I think the invisibility aspect makes them different enough to qualify as distinct.
At least in NV where they're harder to detect when out of combat, and the stealth mechanic disallows the player from using VATS on them (unless you have ED-E in your party). The Nightkin on Black Mountain are also spawned in once you hit map triggers and aren't always present even you otherwise know where they spawn and stand.

>>723818660
We know Toddlers were seething at it, I remember them being buttblasted at Obsidian for trying to ruin Todd's masterpiece lmao.

>>723818656
You're a newfag or a troll. NV was discussed every day here until that faggot mod called Frontier(?) happened then it stopped.
Faggots ruin everything on the internet and faggots ruined NV because they pushed their gay shit too hard on it then we have NIGGERS like (You) shitposting since that gay mod happened.
Go back to /b/ you fucking niggerfaggot.

>>723818340
>TTW is the definitive way to play Fallout 3 now.
LMAO NO
>You get all the benefits of New Vegas
There are not benefits for Troon Vegays
>and all the engine improvements by modders,
What like Kyle Mashiku?

>>723819046>>723818858
Just what I asked, you consider it a different type of enemy. If I asked how many enemies New Vegas had, you would list both nightkin and supermutants?

>>723819217
That sounds like a very cool way to deploy them

I personally feel as though FO3 should be played in its original state rather than as part of TTW. The Lone Wanderer and Courier are very obviously different characters with different histories, and the Courier is heavily implied to be older than the Lone Wanderer. Making them the same character makes no sense and undermines the story of both games.

>>723819229
daddy chill

>>723802431
Though i love New Vegas more, 4 doesnt really require mods to keep it from crashing.

>>723819238
No? They're enemy sub-types, reasonable people don't usually list those. It's the same shit as the difference between a normal ghoul and a Glowing One.

>>723818532
>Anon NV has a subreddit with over 300k users
Because it's the tranny reddit game for midwits, breadtubers and Antifa thugs
>youtube videos about it are still being made
Breadtube video essays aren't videos they're slop
>meanwhile the same things are nonexistent for FO3
Because badasses and chads don't gossip about their games like women we just play them.

>>723819403
AND Fallout 3 is superior, and one aught keep them in their own lanes.

>>723819234
They should wear a funny little hat and have big noses instead.
>>723819414
Get out of here.

>>723819447
So a ghoul and a glowing one are the same enemy? how few enemies are in New Vegas you got me wondering

>>723818925
>dedicated community behind it
Of redditards, Breadtubers and Antifa thugs! THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING!

next time anyone makes any thread like this the first reply should be a popularity strawpoll so the bethjeets get an instant reality check

>>723819626
Or it would just show that /v/ is now reddit

>[noun] is still [adjective]
slow news day eh gamespoot?

>>723819764
Are you that Italian faggot that ruins any discussion of fallout whatsoever?

>>723819626
Unironically, Bethesda Game Studios is mostly white. The pajeets are doing art for assets. The ugly NPCs in Starfield is basically hitting "random" on character creation and changing skin tone to browner.

>>723802090 (OP)
Fagio isn't going to like this one kek

>>723819764
then why are you here?
you should just go to the sharty
no one is convinced by your spam, you look so stupid that any lurkers get instantly turned off from listening to you

>>723819891
No, he’s a person who doesn’t exist that was created by Troon Vegays fags as a scapegoat for them to scream about when anyone criticises Troonout Neo Vagina.

>>723819891
I thought it was some pajeet that's obsessed with Fallout 3

>>723819581
It's the same as Fallout 3. Also unique enemy variants are still important, they add much needed variety. New Vegas has both more unique enemy types and unique enemy variants.

>>723802090 (OP)
nv is an rpg fallout game
fallout3 and 4 are not rpgs and not fallout games

>>723819581
glowing ones have radiation aura which heals themselves and other ghouls (if nearby).
glowing ones also have an attack where they kind of explode and a lot of radiation is vented out.

also, I don't believe there's any differences between 3's and NV's glowing ones.

>>723820017
No it’s literally you. Why does New Vegas bother so fucking much

>>723820162
NV is a first person shooter it is no different from 3

>>723820017
you should try to be less deranged and at drop your retarded childish nickname for at least one post if you want to be taken seriously

>>723820017
Just like "Eric" for Nintendo and "Barry" for Final Fantasy. Once a real retard spawn in a community, as time pass, a troll will take the torch when the real retard is gone.
It's like "hogwheel" on /pw/ or kikes on /pol/.
4chan is getting worse every year very fast.

>>723820247
it's a melee game when I play it

>>723820330
Let me guess, you play bow and arrows in TES.

>>723820247
fallout 3 maybe, because it has nothing else, it's oblivion with guns and significantly fewer quests
but new vegas has actual content and tries to tell a story, it's an rpg

>>723815373
>How do these FPS ones stack up against 1 and 2 anyways? I only played the first two.
New Vegas is "closer" in spirit to the first two fallout games, but it's still not there in terms of quality and variety of interactions.

>>723820207
>>723820267
>>723820313
LOL There was not Fabio it so obvious and the fact that you fags keep seething over your fake Italian Stallion just proves that even more.

>>723820141
>>723820198
You would say variants of enemies constitutes variety, correct? so if I asked you how many enemies are in the game you would count ghouls and glowing ones separately I reckon

>>723820440
>oblivion with guns
Well hang on a minute Oblivion with Guns where do I sign up for that?
That is totally awesome! I would be in there with that!
I would like that!
I would buy that game!
I would be wooom wowz straight in there!
Oblivion with Guns!
Sign Me Up For That!

>>723802090 (OP)
>Why is Fallout New Vegas still loved by everyone, while no one gives a shit about Fallout 3, Fallout 4, Fallout 76...

Good writing, good quest design, good music. That's all it took.
New Vegas is far from a perfect game, it's got many serious flaws, but none of 3/4/76 have any of the strengths I listed.

>>723820465
>this guy is not real btw he's sexy and virile
please tell me this isn't how you spend your day

>>723820330
then it's a hack and slash and not an RPG
>>723820440
the amount of quests and story has nothing to do with a game being an RPG

>>723820440
FO3 has tons of quests. It’s just that many of them are unmarked quests. 3’s quests also have more branches.

NV pads out its quest log artificially by marking quests that would have been unmarked in 3 (i.e Cold, Cold Heart).

>>723820539
perhaps in the sense where if you were in a fight with a bunch of ghouls and one glowing one, you'd be inclined to kill the glowing one first because it passively heals the others and just has more hp and hits harder than the regular ghouls.

>>723820465
Nigger, i don't even know this faggot. Leave me out of that stupidity.

>>723820247
wrong, nv is an rpg fallout game

>>723820539
Why do you keep asking these circular questions? Already said no, but I also said specific types having multiple distinct variants is also important. Learn to read.

>>723820247
>>723820672
you niggers always post that NV isn't an RPG, but never specify what an RPG is by your standards.
If you mean 4-niggas-in-a-row turnbased game with not story or role-playing, then just say it.

>>723820642
>Good writing,
LMAO fascism bad the game antifa propaganda much good writing
>good quest design
With such side quests as “help the NCR” or “help the NCR” and who could forget “help the NCR” with a side of fascism bad. As opposed to Chadout 3’s amazing varied quests that show true imagination, creativity and atmosphere.
>good music.
Songs about gay cowboys eating pudding lol

>>723802090 (OP)
Those worthless incompetents released something that corrupted my save files three times at launch of the 360 and to this day I can't get into the game, I just murder the fuck out of benny and deliver the chip and treat house' proposal like a weird ending cutscene when I feel like playing it every decade or so. I'm glad they didn't get their bonus, motherfucking bugged piece of shit wasn't worth 85 on metacritic.

>>723820610
just download 3, bethtranny

when will they port it to the Switch?

>>723820702
>3’s quests also have more branches
that's a flat out lie

>>723820672
the amount of things to do absolutely has everything to do with a game being an rpg
it's certainly a less retarded way to judge things than to lump fucking cod and fallout in the same genre

>>723820702
>branches
do you retards really count comically and nonsensically evil as a fucking branch?

>>723820702
fallout3 has no quests, its themepark filler content which makes no sense and serves no purpose

>>723820702
No it doesn't.
https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Fallout_3_Quests

>>723820162
Ironically Fallout 3 relies more on your character stats than New Vegas does, since it doesn't have ADS on non-scoped weapons and all the dialogue checks are percentage based rather binary thresholds.

Because people are more interested in playing an actual fallout rpg with solid writing instead of someones retarded interpretation of what they think fallout is. It's funny how all the fallout 3 stans have to resort to ad hominem responses such as calling everyone trannies because they legitimately do not have any arguments due to realizing that fallout 3 is actually dogshit and is for fags who just want to power fantasy their way through.

>>723821114
LMAO lying troon once again
>see
>>723820969

>>723820929
it's almost mechanically identical to fallout 3 I don't know how you correctly identify 3 as a non-RPG but somehow think new vegas qualifies as one.
>>723820958
just needs to have a turn based ruleset underlining combat. 3 and new vegas are action games with RPG elements like borderlands

>>723821124
Making the dialogue checks percentage based is retarded because it's easily bypassed by savescumming

>>723821213
see
reddit.com

>>723821124
hows that makes sense outside of your head? checks being percentages means you have 100% on all checks regardless of stats because quickload exists.

>>723821124
>all the dialogue checks are percentage based
only speech checks are percentage, other skills are thresholds in dialogue.

>>723820958
The term "RPG" has been butchered in the last 15 years if not more. "JRPG" was a thing in the 90's but for Western type games, it's been a debate on /v/ since forever even on GameFaqs. Once you play a role and you play a game it's a RPG :^)

>>723821167
LMAO wrong once again

>>723821257
>>723821281
try having some self control instead of cheating

>>723821213
again, fallout 3 has no quests
it can be barely considered a game at all, its more akin to a railroad cutscene experience

>>723821276
Nice of you tell us where you came from now go back

I actually like Fallout 76 aesthetically, it's a shame that the game is unplayable garbage.

>>723821247
>it's almost mechanically identical to fallout 3
It's not.

>>723821289
>Once you play a role and you play a game it's a RPG :^)
which is why Zelda is an RPG because you role play as Link, but New Vegas isn't an RPG because it has guns. :)

>>723821361
try having game being designed around understanding how players play it by people who play games. migh help.

>>723821361
So how is making it entirely chance based over a hard threshold you have to build towards an improvement?

>>723821317
>He's an actual baitfag for his shitty fallout 3 game
kek how pathetic

>>723802090 (OP)
I couldn't get into NV and found it dull.
3 was ok
4 was shit

>>723821391
Same, the whole West Virginia/ctryptid thing is actually inspired. Shame they wasted it on multiplayer slop.

>>723821363
It has tons of quests and tons of varied locations unlike Troon Vegays’s Help the NCR and be preached to about why fascism is bad.
Chadout 3 also has an extremely open world you can go ANYWHERE you want after leaving the vault unlike Troonout Neo Vagina where your railroaded into following a set path so you can see all their hecking world building and Antifa propaganda.

>>723820717
So the glowing one is quite different
>>723820949
types, variants, I don't quite know why you're so anal about those terms. All you've communicated to me was that you think it's the same enemy, but you also differentiate the enemy, which makes no sense. If someone asked how many enemies were in New Vegas, your answer would be there's 20 different enemies. Is that so?

>>723821563
>>723821317
>>723820969
Is this what being a tranny and posting on /v/ looks like?

>>723821556
As you should, they're basically the same game

>>723821423
>you kill with a gun or a sword
Playing the roll of a gunman or swordman :^)

LoZ was always called an adventure game or action game. At this point, just dump the term "RPG" like how CDPR did for Cyberpunk 2077.

>>723821662
No that’s the Shit Vegas fags

>>723821563
it has no quests

>>723821443
RNG is essential to the abstaction of statistics in RPGs. I've never heard anyone complain about skill checks in falloit 1 and 2 because some people cheat.
Should bethesda remove the dev console since it allows me to level up to the cap and toggle god mode?
>>723821464
because there is risk mitigation involved. It is literally impossible to fail a check in new vegas unless you intentionally click on it
Threshholds in themselves aren't bad, but having the DC visible to the player is just bad game design

>>723821680
They're not.

>>723821257
>>723821281
That's no different from min-maxing. Making it percentage base ensures you actually have to fully invest into speech or barter to increase your odds of succeeding.
>>723821284
Yeah, barter too if I remember correctly, don't know why I said dialogue.

>>723821662
yes

>>723821759
no you are just trying to defend bad and outdated design which bethesda itself later copied in fallout4

>>723821740
Keep repeating fake statements tranny that are as real as your so called ‘womanhood’

>>723821913
you don't like RPGs and that's why you play shit like New Vegas

>>723821812
thats not how it works, try to read my post again to understand
you are confusing concept with reality

>>723821978
All RPGs should strive to be more like New Vegas.

>>723821570
>types, variants, I don't quite know why you're so anal about those terms
Because they mean different things. A type is an enemy with a unique model, skeleton, and gameplay. A variant is a visual and/or gameplay edit of an existing enemy type. A Glowing One is not *substantially* different from a regular feral ghoul, they share a similar model and the same AI but there are a couple of unique tweaks that make it different. It's the different between the various Deathclaw subtypes and then comparing a Deathclaw with a Mr. Gutsy.

>>723821951
again, it has no quests
>>723821978
fallout3 is not an rpg, so by shitting on it I cannot be considered as someone who doesnt like rpgs

>>723822036
>All RPGs should strive to woke antifa propaganda for troons

>>723821702
>LoZ was always called an adventure game or action game
Are you not aware? People used to argue that the franchise were actual RPGs under the same logic in my post above. I'm Serious.

>>723821913
I hate speech checks that aren't tied to a skill. Fallout 4 introduced a bit more with Far Harbor but the base game have less than 10 and that's between 2 quests.

>>723822090
>all RPGs should strive to be good, like FNV
Yes.

>>723821978
if fallout 3 was indeed an rpg then you would have people actually discussing it and not parasitically attaching themselves to new vegas
yet you know the world is so shit and bland, the stories are so uninteresting that no one wants to talk about the role play part

so the hatred for nv is only becuase you dont like the poeple who like it? not because the game itself is bad or anything like that

TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS

>>723822172
>every single fallout 3 sidequest vs the few simplest ones you could find on the nv wiki

Nobody plays Goyslop 3 btw.

>>723822197
That's their only argument. You need to realize that they know fallout 3 is objectively dogshit so this is the natural cope as a result. It's almost like people want to play RPGs instead of gay retarded father-son simulator

>>723822172
fallout3 has no quests

>>723822106
I don't visit LoZ threads but i'm not surprised. All i want is an action game with choices and consequences with stats based character builds, yet it's too hard for modern devs to pull it off.
I'll huff some hopium for TES6 and Cyberpunk 2.

>>723822307
Maybe none of your gay discord friends do but real baddases play Chadout 3

>>723822001
No, I'm not, I just don't savescum over dialogue. You can savescum anything, so your point is moot.

>>723822217
I love toddslop so much sisters!

>>723822383
Nope, absolutely nobody plays Cuckout 3.

>>723822331
I just gave you a list of some you retard tranny now go neck yourself

>>723822386
Thats how games are played. You are trying to present your abnormal behaviour as a norm and trying to emotionally attack me because you feel threatened. It wont work.

>>723822436
Cope troon, cope

>>723802090 (OP)
played it again recently, it's shit, god, i think i just liked it the first time as i played it superficially, not too much exploration and only gave it one playthrough(Mr House), this time went a lot more into exploration and found a shitton of incompleted stuff, also game barely has NCR stuff worth your time, like if Obsidian ran out of time for it or straight up didn't care, leaving your only true choices Mr. House or Caesar.
The DLC is great tho.

>>723822459
those ar enot quests, read what I have wrote. Quests need to interact with the world, main story and affect everything. They exist in fallout nv. In oblivion 3 with guns there are no quests.

>>723822521
Yes bethestroongoys are coping.

>Goyslop 3
>Chadout 3
>Cuckout 3
you all sound like real winners

>>723822497
>Emotional attack
How sensitive are you to perceive anything I said as an attack? Just because you savescum doesn't mean that everyone else does, and trying to design a game around anti-savescuming is a lesson in futility
>Walk into a random building
>Clear it out
>Find nothing of value
>Reload to regain all the ammo and consumables you used
See how easy it is, who the fuck would bother trying to design anything around such a player?

>>723822534
>like if Obsidian ran out of time for it or straight up didn't care,
Obsidian's history of game development is that of a company that was so fucking terrible at estimating what it would take to build the game they wanted to that they released two games with no endings (kotor2 and NWN2) and no publishers wanted to work with them and they were literally saved by kickstarter with pillars of eternity. Either they just pitch something to publishers and then decide last minute to start building a fundamentally different game that would take a lot more or they're just ass at estimating dev length or getting their devs to actually work.

>>723822459
its like trying to argue for mission objectives in quake 2 such as "destroy big gun" being quests

>>723822534
My first playthru i went with Yes Man because i just didn't like any factions and killed everything that were hostile to me. Basically i was doing merc work to get caps.

>>723822575
>>723822772
You can interact with the world far more in Chadout 3’s quests than in Troon Vegays you can blow up Megaton, decide the fate of Tenpenny Tower, change who runs the Republic of Dave, decide the freedom of Harkness, decide the fate of Oasis plus Harold, enslave people across the wasteland and more. You even get to see a post game world with Broken Steel the best you get in Troon Vegays is the ability to change what gay PowerPoint presentation you get at the end.

>>723822663
Because, just like the game, they are essentially the same. Two shitposters, both alike in dignity

>>723822761
again you are trying emotionally attack me, misrepresent whole situation and lie about undisputable reality of overwhelming majority players saveloading skill checks with some personal experiences I dont give rats ass about. how about you face some reality instead and accept abstract concepts such as statistics which exist outside of your head?

>>723822881
no, you are ordered to destroy big gun and thats it. thats the end. thats your mission objective in oblivion with guns 3. not a single quest.

>>723802090 (OP)
FO:NV remains best out of the box (3D) Fallout because it has a good spread of actual firearms. This is somehow incomprehensible to T*dd whose games have 12 different potato cannon-tier "guns" and not a single pump shotgun. Fucking retard.
Game itself becomes kind of boring after reaching New Vegas, though. Feels like you are just supposed to pick your prefered ending at that point, idk. Side content is still ok I guess.
F4 was right to focus on muh roaming and muh wandering, going into some slum and shooting angry hobos in the head is the most fun part of these games.

>>723822881
>bethesda jeets are such unempathetic low iq niggers they consider wanton murder as a meaningful moral choice

>>723822772
Lol that's funny. It's more objectives than quests because the quest itself is to find your father then turn on the water purifier. You just follow objectives for 50 hours to end the games quest.
I don't know if that makes sense.

>>723823010
Sound pretty badass but I already showed that it’s more than that anyway.

>>723822934
And where are you getting this "every player savescums" data from?

>>723802431
F4 is just way more replayable since it has better gunplay, a better map and radiant quests.
You're not gonna give a fuck about the depth of the writing on your 20th playthrough.

>>723823168
exactly, its all objectives check list like in boomer shooters. zero interactions with anything, zero wonder, zero, dare I say "questing". You are not going on adventure of your choosing, you are compiliting mission objective todd set for you.

>>723823029
None of those I mentioned involve wanted murder apart from a few and even then it’s entirely reserved for the evil route.

>>723823264
those are list of missions, not quests
fallout3 has not a single quest because its not an rpg game

Side quest "complexity" dick measuring is very funny to me. No one genuinely cares about this shit

>>723823326
you mean outside it being self evident trait of human nature?
due to how praised skill threshold system from nv was compared to fallout3 for that exact reason and how popular nv becamse in part because of it.

>>723823482
They are quests you retard and I’ve explained why you’re just trolling now.

>>723823264
How any of those "quests" in both games interact with the main quest? Do you know what they call them in Cyberpunk?Gigs, you do objectives, get your money and go to the next one.
>>723823385
Besides the main quest, it's just missions and optional in majority.

>>723823560
So it's just some personal experiences you said you dont give rats ass about.

>>723823448
what the fuck do you think blowing up megaton is?
something that has zero fucking moral ground to stand on unless you're mentally ill so i guess it's perfect for falljeets

>>723812797
To the michein resteurant then.

>>723802090 (OP)
Because it was made by the same people who made the original games. Only difference was the shitty FO3 engine.

>>723822038
Outside of 4chan I don't know anyone who would argue there's not 300 enemies in this book. /v/ is the only place I've seen people throw around semantics like types and variants to deny the quantity of enemies in a video game. That's what I'm getting at, each reply I've made was an attempt to answer a simple and straight forward questionnaire. If I asked you how many enemies are in the game, would you say 20 or would you consider the different types and varieties significant enough to qualify and count.

>>723823560
I have never seen anyone praise the thresholds, only complaints by grognars types about Fallout being further casualized
RNG is something people enjoy in games. Final Fantasy and Pokemon are built on it, the entire roguelike genre is built on it. Gambling addiction shows a very different self evident relationship with RNG

>>723823667
Because it’s about living in the overall world not being slaves of the main quest and story like in a visual novel. It’s true freedom that none of you troons could understand and most of those side gigs have more complexity and more of an effect on the world than Troonout Neo Vagina’s main quest.

>>723817236
The roleplay reciprocates into the gunplay
from quick draw gun dualist, to sawed off boomstick wielding tunnel rat, brass tube repeating rifle sniper, or even light machinegun wielding grunt.
There are countless 'class' fantasies to live out, and a plethora of opportunities to have the demeanor of almost any imaginable character reflect in dialog/choices.
And that only particularly works i the gunplay is at least passable. NV is when it was first passable. I would argue it's better than FO4, but it's been a while since I played vanilla NV, so I grant I could very well be bias.

>>723812797
>food analogy
From a self imporant NVfag no less. Just great

>>723823826
>apart from a few and even then it’s entirely reserved for the evil route.
HRT has taken away your abllity to read

>>723823852
Gamebryo is superior than UE5 and i'm srs. Besides the outdated graphics of course. Only RedEngine was able to do open world as close as Gamebryo, maybe the first Dragons Dogma engine too.
>>723823941
I'm not defending Fallout games big boy. I want them closer to how TES, Stalker or even Cyberpunk works.

>>723823947
Yeah, you are stupidly biased. New Vegas' gunplay is utter ass compared to Fallout 4. Shit's so bad that even the vanilla weapons have misaligned iron sights.

>>723802207
It just comes down to this. The factions in NV just make sense and you get a very clear grasp of what they are and what their intentions are. I even like ALL of the factions. They all have their pros and cons. It makes for a compelling narrative.

In Fallout 4 I have NO FUCKING CLUE why the Institute is doing what it's doing. WTF is it's overall intention? None of the factions make any fucking sense. Bethesda clearly fired some important lead developers because these are not the same clowns that put together the brilliant Morrowind.

>>723815378
>>723815580
There's the same amount of guns in New Vegas as there are in Fallout 3, that's very interesting.

>>723824224
>maybe the first Dragons Dogma engine too
MT Frameworks? DD1's open-world was nothing like gamebryo's, it was much more static, and almost MMO-like in nature.

>>723823947
>I would argue it's better than FO4
I wouldn't, New Vegas has less guns than Fallout 4.

>>723824029
>apart from a few
name those supposed complex moral dilemmas then
it's all fucking themepark shit full of nonsensical unrealistic larpers

>>723816260 >>723816425 >>723816489 >>723818494
Fallout 4 has a lot more enemies than Fallout New Vegas.

>>723823852
Did they all leave after the DLCs? Because what the fuck happened with PoE and Outerworlds?

>>723824367
Fallout 4 is just that it has shitty guns instead. Put all the NV guns into 4 and it's fixed. When i saw pipe weapons and everything being stockless i knew they fucked up with the guns and that .50 was merely better than .308.
Retarded game balance for what purpose?

>>723824785
yet it spams albino radscorpions, feral ghoul reavers and overlords at you as punishment for retconning emil's retarded ending
curious huh

>>723824586
Yeah that one, although adding new spawns was feasible. Adding new missions, probably not possible with mods.
DD2 was disappointing

>>723824470
?? Absolutely not lmao.

>>723802090 (OP)
Fallout New Vegas is trans-coded

>>723824704
decide the fate of Tenpenny Tower, change who runs the Republic of Dave, decide the freedom of Harkness, decide the fate of Oasis plus Harold and the ending choice for the vanilla main quest to name a few.

>>723824836
Yeah, the weapon's themselves are stupid. I do wonder why Bethesda doesn't just hire one gun autist to help them design their weapons.

>LOADING
LOADING
>LOADING
LOADING

COMPUTER UPDATE. WELCOME TO THE OBLIVION 3 WITH GUNS. MAIN OBJECTIVE UPDATE!
>WATCH 2h CUTSECENES ABOUT YOUR CHILDHOOD
DO NOT ACT!

MISSION OBJECTIVE COMPLETED
>MISSION OBJECTIVE UPDATE
KILL OVERSEER
>COMPUTER UPDATE
MISSION OBJECTIVE UPDATE
>FIND YOUR DAD SO HE CAN MAKE DECISIONS FOR YOU
ALERT
YOU ARE LIVING DESIGNATED OBJECTIVE ROUTE RETURN TO OBJECTIVE
OBJECTIVE UPDATE
>TALK TO BROTHERHOOD GUYS FROM FALLOUT GAME (DO YOU STILL REMEMBER FALLOUT)
>PROCEED TO MISSION OBJECTIVE
MISSION COMPLETE
>TURN ON WATER PURFIER
OBJECTIVE COMPLETE. CUTSCENES SEQUENCE ENGAGED
>NEW OBJECTIVE
KILL YOURSELF

nice game, todd

New Vegas has much better gameplay than Fallout 4. The fact that different ammo types DRASTICALLY change the course of a fight adds actual mechanical variety to the game. There's actually a reason to keep a pistol on you with AP rounds or an energy based weapon, the highest DPS weapon isn't always the king if the enemy has higher DR/DT than can be pierced.

Fallout 4? HURR DURR just use whatever you have ammo for HURR DURR

>>723802207
so true. it literally changed my life

>>723825286
fallout 4 has 2 weapons: sniper rifle and gaus minigun

>>723825175
>Absolute schizo-troon meltdown

>>723825175
Based.

>>723825124
and with Starfield they made guns that are just not logical, pipe guns tier but futuristic.

>>723824836
I don’t actually mind fallout 4’s guns being completely fucking retarded because it has internal consistency of being completely fucking retarded and it’s mostly visuals/animations. At least most of them sound decent.

To make a comparison even the gayest and cringe weapons in fallout 4 like the “””””””””””””””””assault rifle””””””””””” with the goofy water cooling shield and AA sights and the “”””””””””””””””””combat rifle””””””””””””” that shoots .45 are several tiers above truly reprehensible dogshit such as the HL2 plapper of the weak shot doom 3 shotgun. Even the pipe shit is better than that slop.

>>723812871
If you check the statistics, the number of people online globally doubled between 2010 and 2015, yet fo4 does not have double the amount of reviews

>>723825286
See the thing is *SHOTGUN SURGEON*
Really though, the only ammo that makes a noticeable difference is emp against robutts.

>>723825105
prove it, I think it's true

>>723825113
>decide the fate of Tenpenny Tower
imagine thinking a quest is a moral choice post hoc when there's nothing complex about it when you're doing it
take away the twist and it's pure shit
>change who runs the Republic of Dave
a meaningless unrealistic themepark
>decide the freedom of Harkness
about as well written as anything institute
>decide the fate of Oasis plus Harold
a meaningless unrealistic member berry themepark
>ending choice for the vanilla main quest to name a few.
poisoning the water for literally everyone including yourself is a moral choice for you?

>>723825589
Why would it? It’s not like NV disappeared in that time. It should have the advantage

>>723825413
>overseers guardian
>spray n pray
>the last minute
>gatling laser
Anything else is worthless in the base game.

>>723825528
I hate spaceshit, so I never touched Starfield. Heard they removed radiant ai and filled the cities with a bunch of nameless NPCs that do nothing but stand around. So looks like I made the right choice.

>>723802090 (OP)
>there will never be a Mad Max inspired Fallout spinoff featuring the 80s, Legion motor chariots, souped up rice tractors and the last of the fusion engines in the Corvegas and Highwayman

So uhhh...exept second season of the show.
Any news abaut another game or spinoff?

>>723825625
https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Fallout_3_Weapons
https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_Weapons

>>723824785
One of Fallout 4's good features is that the enemy behavior is more unique and general combat is a huge improvement. Everything else is ass unfortunately.

>>723825536
I used the combat rifle the most because it looked functional. I'm not a /k/ommando but assault rifle was just ugly and took 1/4 of the screen space.

>>723825286
Ammo types add nothing to the game in NV, it’s a nothingburger

>>723812797
Plenty of michelin restaurants are worse than mcdonalds
Not because mcdonals is good but because of how terrible fancy restaurants are

>>723825743
If you want Vehicle Fallout then Twisted Metal Black is the closest you can get (or just play that Mad Max Game) also Fallout was never Big on vehicles. Highwaymanstands out because it's the only one and Even that legendarny Dupsterfire called The Frontier got praises for Vehicles

>>723825590
Hollow points are massively better against most mutants/animals, AP ammo is far better on low damage automatics.
Also it's just a cool addition and another proof it's the only 3D Fallout made by people who give a fuck about firearms. I like breaking down all my 9mm to get more gunpowder and converting my .357 into .357 but better.

>>723811845
well they are trannies so of course they have a persecution complex. from being fake women that will never be real women

>>723825675
Thats not how it works, most people will buy the latest game in a series and not buy an older one. This means that after fo4 came out the only people buying NV are people who saw a video essay about it or heard about it otherwise.

This means that the normie-padding numbers is that fo4 has had twice the number of years as NV, and started with twice the number of active internet users. This correctly shows a worse reception of FO4 than NV. This also explains the higher general rating.
This also shows how shit 76 truly is

>>723825732
Yep, they regresed so much it's barely a BGS game. It was so bad, not even modders cares about it.

>>723802090 (OP)
It isn't, you're asking a loaded question.
Fallout 3 and 4 sold a lot better and were more successfull than NV in their first years.
NV will ofc be played over F3 because it's a newer, more stable and more enhanced version of the engine and most modding is done for that.

If I'm not mistaken Microsoft also did some retarded shit again and F3 no longer boots on Windows 10+. The fix is easy but will obviously filter out 90% of the players.

Any reason to go higher than 6 charisma in 4?
Local leader is obviously neat but the later perks seem pretty bad.

>>723826153
That's cope, buddy.

>>723819218
Idk I don't get tied up in all of the console/dev wars. I wasnt in love with either of the games but NV i couldn't even finish because of the setting. Just a personal preference thing i guess. I liked the (recent) post-apoc feel of the wrecked buildings, monuments, and subways to NV's (far post-apoc) burnt out farm houses and shacks. And again, the roman legionnaires yanked me right out of it every time they were on screen - felt impossible to take seriously.

>>723826273
5 so that you can minmax and increase it with a bobblehead.

>>723826153
That’s not how it works. Most people buy shit during steam sales and new vegas has had years of being like $5.
>normie
Mother fucking faggot third world tourist

>>723825732
I like spaceshit and shartfield is one of the worst videogames ever made.
It's gruel wearing a AAA game's skin.

>>723825921
Wrong, Dragon's Breath is a gamechanger.

>>723814698
>I don't know if the engine is just hard to mod
it is. even devs have a hard time due to animations in particular being an ass to implement. CP77 has at least two more expansion potential in it after the excellent dogtown but instead they retired it early to go onto the sequel (given to danger hair americans)

Meh i still find Fo4 enjoyable with the Enclave mod

>>723826082
In NV, all i used is the .50 and sniped everything to death regardless of range because of how powerful it was. Most NV threads were pistolfags or people saying the survival rifle(HH DLC) was the best shit ever.

>>723826367
Isn’t that bobblehead locked behind the weird immortal family quest?
I seem to recall that needing a somewhat hith level and I'd really like to get local leader early on

>>723825590
>>723825921
>didn't play on hard mode
You don't get to speak, trash. STFU and let the men discuss.

>>723823917
But they're minor variants with a slight visual difference and maybe like a single unique attack. I would not consider them a unique enemy all on their own. Like an MMORPG can boast having thousands of enemies but when like 80% of them are only name/stat differences that number doesn't matter.

>>723826745
This post reads like chatGPT

>>723826515
Not only that but it will run on UE5(5.5) so everyone can expect a maximum of 75fps with hardware tricks. Meaning 60 on consoles with drops to 50.

>>723826202
>>723826453
Yep, I made the right call alright. No idea what they thinking by removing the unique aspects of their games and replacing it with nothing.

>>723802207
You are underplaying what an upgrade the changes to the game system in NV is compared to 3.

>>723826082
New Vegas basically took a bunch of things from popular mods and added them into the game, which is good.

>>723826597
Well you were missing out, there is plenty of other good guns. I'll take an OP AMR over Fallout 4's .50 cal Hunting Rifle that does 10 more damage or w/e.
>>723826742
Maybe, I don't remember. There is also that book in your old house that raises one stat of choice

>>723826827
1000 planets but radiant missions auto generated every 200 meters. I've never touched any factions, did the main story, hit NG+ nothing new so to speak, uninstalled.
My Xbox series x was a huge waste of money. I'm only using it to browse the web lel.

>>723826745
Shotgun Surgeon shines even more on Hard, can't forget about "And Stay Back", making Shotguns the best weapon type for anything close to mid-range.

>>723825642
>imagine thinking a quest is a moral choice post hoc when there's nothing complex about it when you're doing it take away the twist
It’s a commentary on immigration and the danger of letting in criminals into a country because they’re painted as victims
>a meaningless unrealistic themepark
No, it’s a city state carved up of the now unclaimed wasteland it’s commentary on both the petty feudal lords the emerged after the fall of the Roman Empire and the expansion into the west of early America that is now repeating. Your ability to change the fate of this republic is the kind of freedom NV Troons don’t understand.
>about as well written as anything institute
It’s existential dilemma of who a man’s of machine’s life belongs to and plus the horrible truth that machine is in high poison in the City State of Rivet. Then YOU decide his fate.
>a meaningless unrealistic member berry themepark
NO! It is another existential dilemma this man has created a paradise in The Hell on Earth but at the cost of his own suffering of being turned into a tree of the pain which Dante described in his Inferno! IS his hell worth the paradise or should he be realised but at the cost of earthly bliss? Do the needs of many truly outweigh those of the few? Plus it is also a reference to the Elfstones of Shannara a classic fantasy novel that appeals to intelligent people I won’t say how because that will spoil the ending and you won’t know because you need a high IQ to understand that book.
>poisoning the water for literally everyone including yourself is a moral choice for you?
1.) It doesn’t kill everybody only mutants, ghouls and synths see pic
2.) It is the moral choice of introducing the purifying virus that will end the Hell of Earth and transform it into a paradise destroy the radiation and mutants but at the risk of innocent lives or letting it continue but with the hope of humanity still renaming. This again an existential dilemma of highest calibrate.

New vegas had its 15th anniversary (Jesus Christ) only a few days ago yet it has less than 1/3 the players of fallout 4

>>723826428
>normie is third world
huh?
and that is how it works. most people will not buy an old game even on sale. Especially a game that expects you sinking hundreds of hours in it. Thats something only enthusiasts would do.

I still can't believe that a few years of F3 being unplayable due to GFWL servers dying cause this massive shift in perspective.
NV used to be just a F3 expansion. A really good one with plenty of improvements but you'd never hear anyone say it was a "better" game. It was just more.
Then at some point this divide happened and thanks to bethesda rape victims, trannies, whatever the fuck else it's just been going on for like... almost 15 years now
And it's just bullshit, anyone that played these games on launch knows it ffs...

>>723826984
I wanted to like the All-American but having a scope on a semi auto feels wrong to me. I know the GRA update DLC aded new guns but all i was using prior to the .50 is the rat slayer which i found early because the starter guns were bad,in my experience being the 9mm and hunting rifle.

>>723826773
What did I just say, brownoid?

>>723825836
The coom mods are pretty good too for the variety alone. When you need some guns with a pair of nice tits you could do a lot worse than Fallout 4. Just a shame they took 20 steps back on the things that mattered like skills, traits, basegame item variety and QoL like ammo and explosives crafting.

>>723827259
>he reads guides that tell him what the OP builds are
You don't get to speak, trash. Just begone with you.

>>723827379
Yeah, you learn something every day you stupid fucking third world shiteater. Only you brownoid retards still say fucking “normie” and only tourists ever said “normie” instead of normalfag.

Here’s another teachable moment. The lower case shit? You live in a third world shit hole if you’re doing
>and that is how it works. most people
No native speaker does this. Even before smartphones existed, before the phrase auto correct existed, windows fucking 95 automatically fixed capitalization for you at the start of new sentences.

You don’t belong here, kill yourself you miserable incel.

>>723827394
Where did the idea that “New Vegas is an expansion for Fallout 3” come from? No one had that opinion until recently. NV has always been perceived by people as “real Fallout 3”

>>723825750
They both have 30 guns.

>>723827394
is this new narrative trannies are trying to push?

>>723825921
>Ammo types add nothing to the game in NV, it’s a nothingburger
Shut the fuck up homo. I'll take eight plus variants on a 12 gauge over the gay status effect bullshit tied around a stupid legendary system. One that doesn't let you swap on the fly. Mods take that even further by actually letting you craft the shit that you need like AP and HP ammo while boiling down the rest into usable components. A concept that seems lost on the survival genre as a whole. If you can boil piss and sulfur to make blackpowder you should be able far more in an idealized reality like a video juego.

>>723827394
>unplayable
I played all BGS games on the PS3. Imagine.

>>723827886
nice bait, friend

>>723827874
That's a 15 years old shitpost from GameFaqs from what i can remember.
>fnv is a fo3 expension

>>723827874
What's the point of this lying?
I was there retard, you won't convince anyone with this crap.
Nobody saw some big difference between the two except one was green the other was yellow.

>>723828070
No, you won’t take it apparently because no one is playing troon vegas

>>723827360
>It’s a commentary on immigration and the danger of letting in criminals into a country because they’re painted as victims
it's a commentary on how you can make a mediocre quest interesting by introducing an asspull twist
and it worked on you lmao

yeah, a democracy with 10 people taken super seriously is totally a well thought out idea and not just le wacky themepark shit

>It’s existential dilemma of who a man’s of machine’s life belongs to and plus the horrible truth that machine is in high poison in the City State of Rivet. Then YOU decide his fate.
it's robot colored slavery
and slavery is not a moral dilemma

>the water schizobabble
you're making the life of everyone including yourself worse because you listened to a crazy robot that can be told to kill himself

>>723827360
>see pic
That's factually incorrect, Modified FEV is a variant of FEV Curling-13 and it kills anyone that has been exposed to prolonged radiation which is everyone but the Enclave and Vault Dwellers. They probably showed Rivet City because it's literally next to Project Purity and would have been the worst affected, all the other settlements are inland.

The lazily tacked on legendary effects of Fallout 4 tell you everything you need to know about Bethesda. Guns just magically have explosive rounds, the double barrel magically holds more than 2 shells.... it's so bad... they just didn't care.

What if I modified the double barrel into a triple barrel? Or turned it into a quadruple barrel? No? Too much work? It will just magically hold more than 2 shells? Ok. Great work, Todd, you did it again!

>>723828331
In reality it was a spin off title developed by another company. It came out of nowhere and back then, you had multiple AAA games every year and didn't need to wait 5-10 years for a sequel.
The 7th gen was packed to the brim with vidya. Only that everything had piss filters and ran at 20-30fps in 720p.

>>723828351
Nah instead they act like a pack of gays on 4chan like you are now. Say hi to the discord sisters for me you fucking queer.

>>723828675
The bot broke

>>723828586
>Sniper rifles deal more damage because you put a Mexican flag on it

>>723828354
>it's a commentary on how you can make a mediocre quest interesting by introducing an asspull twist and it worked on you lmao
You can tell that Rory is violent son of a bitch from the start by his own words and other evidence it’s not my fault that your too midwit to pick up on that
>yeah, a democracy with 10 people taken super seriously is totally a well thought out idea and not just le wacky themepark shit
All settlements are not shown to scale that’s a fact of life with these RPGS and plus there are other floors so there is many more people living there who don’t see.
>it's robot colored slavery and slavery is not a moral dilemma
Not it’s the existential dilemma of weather a machine is alive or is just a machine. IS Harkness a man or a robot there is no easy answer
>you're making the life of everyone including yourself worse because you listened to a crazy robot that can be told to kill himself
Not my fault that you can’t understand the true depth of Chadout 3 you should just stick to your Rick and Morty game.

>>723828673
>Fallout 5 won't release until 2045
M$ must be spewing at the thought of all that free goodwill going to waste. Because it takes Bethesda close to half a century just to shit out a single subpar product. You'd think with being one tendril of the US gov you would have a certain level of influence when it comes to whipping your slaves into a frenzy. Imagine pissing all that marketing and mindshare away on a shitty MMO with a cashshop more suited to mobilenigs and the white whales.

>>723828970
Fallout 4 would have it do more damage just because (Todd's too lazy to make a unique model).

>>723828586
It takes too much effort making art for uniques and giving them such proprieties, pls understand.
Instead you have to spend 40k caps on a big metal armor that could randomly drop off a radroach at some point in the future.

Fallout 4 and Starfield is peak retarded game design.

>>723829073
Fallout 4 has uniques as well as the legendary system

>>723828970
That's not why though. That is a unique variant. Maybe that particular gun was handcrafted exceptionally well and the rifling is amazing or there's something else special about its make.

See, your pajeet brain doesn't actually work on this level. It's why you shit in the street wherever you happen to be like some wild animal hahaha.

>>723811845
thats just obsidianfags in general

>>723829168
The only unique weapon I remember from Fallout 4 is the ppk you get from the railroad

>>723829207
>hahahaha
ChatGPT slop

>>723829310
There’s literally one in the first location the cryo gun. Also the silenced pistol and the cannon ball gun is what I remember

>>723829073
>It takes too much effort making art for uniques and giving them such proprieties, pls understand.
What $6 billion in stolen currency buys you these days kek. Why bother when you can take 85% commission from the modders while refusing them a dental plan. Effort is wasted on those who don't deserve it since they will pay regardless of the quality on offer.

>>723828970
Can't argue with this. That or a native American trinket gives more crit chance or whatever.
TES mechanics doesn't work for guns hence
>oblivion with guns
meme
>>723828979
If we're lucky
>TES6 in 2028
>FO5 in 2033
if not
>TES6 in 2030
>Starfield2 in 2036
>FO5 in 2043
M$ might kill xbox by 2030 at this rate.
>>723829168
A handful at best. I remember the cannon and stealth pistol from the railroad.

>>723828389
No it only kills mutants and it is there cleanse the wasteland of demonic mutants but the Holy Man that is LW has the choice of to use it to destroy all mutant demons at the expense of innocent or continue to fight. Rivert City is a centre of syth infiltration that is hinted in the Harkness quest and why it is shown in the end slides if you use the virus.

>>723826770
Which is what makes the 55 enemies in Ocarina of Time foobar

>>723828973
if you're going to call anyone else a midwit then maybe you should endeavor to learn to spell first
fallout 3 is a dull predictable game and the only reason you're talking about this quest is because it dares to do this shit, in the moment there's absolutely nothing interesting about it

>All settlements are not shown to scale
this is absolute cope exported from the elder scrolls
fallout doesn't have any lore pointing at this

>Not it’s the existential dilemma of weather a machine is alive or is just a machine. IS Harkness a man or a robot there is no easy answer
is turning racist language into anti robot language really enough to impress you?
>Not my fault that you can’t understand the true depth of Chadout 3 you should just stick to your Rick and Morty game.
not a single fucking lifeform on the planet would answer yes to the question of whether most humans and all animals should be wiped out
you're genuinely mentally ill for even taking this seriously

>>723828093
I counted them, they have 30 guns. I applied the logic I've seen in this thread. Types, variants, they do not constitute different guns.

>>723829568
>M$ might kill xbox by 2030 at this rate.
Xbox is already kill since they started take their shit off the shelves in the only major market they had a foothold in. At 2030 they'll be too busy pounding ashes while asking where all of the games are. You know things have gotten real bad when you decide to minecraft yourself not even a year out from GTA6.

>>723829786
fallout 3 doesn't even have unique skins for weapon variants lmao

>>723829852
Don't change the subject

>>723829048
Yeah, but who cares? If you play Fallout 4 you'll never use vanilla guns and almost all modded ones have unique variants. It's a problem with vanilla game, but no one ever plays Bethesda games vanilla. Fallout 4 literally comes pre-installed with several mods these days.
>>723829207
That's just coping. There's a golf club that does more damage than most bullets because it's unique, or AR rifle that shoots huge bullets without any visible modifications to the firing mechanism.
>>723829568
>TES mechanics doesn't work for guns
It works just fine if you stop being such nerd and accept it for what it is.
From the very beginning Fallout had the same caliber doing different damage with different guns, and unique BB gun doing more damage than most weapons in the game

>>723829926
you needed to make custom goalposts to cope in response to being linked a fucking wiki page

>>723829672
Why would it affect synths when Modified FEV only attacks mutations and Gen 3 human-like synths are based on a pure human framework through Shaun?

>>723829850
I see gamepass ads on youtube but it's already bleeding money and subs. There's no recovery from xbox even if they develop AA games for the real people playing vidya.
Everyone is either on PC or PS5 and may own a Switch.

>>723827717
It's 15yr old game you retard. Anyone with 2nd grade reading comprehension figure out how busted those 2 perks are

>>723830039
Modded guns are still less retarded than the base legendary system. Having different/higher stats without magical effects would be better.

>>723830207
>Everyone is either on PC or PS5 and may own a Switch.
I'm one of them now. You can do a lot more on a shitty toaster compared to an Xbone these days. Least you don't need to double dip just to play in the hackfests since crossplay is practically a state mandate at this point.

>>723830039
>who cares
Everyone? "Bethesda cant into guns" is possibly the most common complaint about their games ever. I know I can download a gazilion COD guns for each game from the internet but people talk about base games here, maybe with bug fixes.

>>723829771
>if you're going to call anyone else a midwit then maybe you should endeavor to learn to spell first
>You made a typo so I wins
Typical reddit behaviour
>fallout 3 is a dull predictable game and the only reason you're talking about this quest is because it dares to do this shit, in the moment there's absolutely nothing interesting about it
Nope Chadout 3 is badass and exciting
>this is absolute cope exported from the elder scrolls fallout doesn't have any lore pointing at this
I think it’s obvious and you can tell that this is the case from concept art. Also the engine has limitations so it can’t show the true scale of how big settlements really are. Plus IF you set of the bomb in Megaton by the distance you are away from the blast should have obliterated Tenpenny Tower as well it doesn’t because THE MAP AND SETTLEMENTS ARE NOT TO SCALE
>is turning racist language into anti robot language really enough to impress you?
Oh I just realised I’m talking to Kyle dude your wife died less then a week ago and you’re here making these breatube arguments wow I thought you would have more respect.
>not a single fucking lifeform on the planet would answer yes to the question of whether most humans and all animals should be wiped out you're genuinely mentally ill for even taking this seriously
There demonic mutants destroying the remnants of human civilisation and knowledge, killing humans and then turning them into them into more demonic mutants. So using the virus to destroy these demons could be considered to be the right thing to do but I am arguing with Kyle so “we woz humans and shit” is good enough for you antifa mindset.

>>723827874
>Where did the idea that “New Vegas is an expansion for Fallout 3” come from?
It was supposed to be, but Todd turned it into a full game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSw3oNnklZM&t=65s

>>723830401
People were simply given a taste of superior system (ammo types in FNV) so it feels like a downgrade. The random nature of the drops and 90% of effects being RAW DOGSHIT doesn't help.

>>723830403
Low spec PC can get you far as long as you don't expect high quality image or more than 60fps. Vidya is optimized to run on current gen consoles even with hardware tricks that PC wizards know about to increase resolution and frames rate.
It just works and that's why i'm still on consoles desu.

>>723820042
nah man, it's some naepolitan mongoloid, pic related is his actual face (lmao).
Notice how when you call some F3 schizo a jeet, nobody bats an eye, but as soon as someone calls him out or posts his face, a schizo starts seething and desperately tries to deny it by posting some shitty memes that no one would waste time on, unless it was personal.
He's also too retarded to understand how the archive works, so he tries to manually rename his pics see >>723820465

>>723830664
>>723830664
Even fucking Far Cry 5 had ammo types with single/burst/auto modes. Yet in Starfield you had to mine/buy materials to change these with crafting.

>>723830526
you're continuously fucking up your writing despite being here for years fabio
your learning capacity is below that of a midwit

>Nope Chadout 3 is badass and exciting
real exciting fighting feral ghoul reavers and albino radscorpions
imagine unironically using randy pitchford language

>I think it’s obvious and you can tell that this is the case from concept art.
if it was so obvious then it would be stated literally anywhere, somewhere
but it's not
so this is cope

try being less of a schizo
the harkness quest is typical slavery shit where you turn anti nigger language into anti robot language
that's it

>more schizobabble
again, the only entity in the game that supports making water fucking lethal is a crazy fucking robot
autumn is the enclave's de facto leader and he just wants the credit for the purifier
it's an absolutely insane choice no matter which way you slice it

>>723830850
>THE ORIGINAL
it's just hillarious lmao

>>723830401
Fallout 3 was the first to give guns such effects and had a pistol that dealt fire damage for no reason. Even NV had a plain iron sword that set enemies on fire for no reason.
>>723830454
I love both games but following your logic Fallout NV is borderline unplayable. Even ignoring the bugs and performance issues, it had a very strange balance in some places. Did you know that the Mercenary grenade rifle you get at the start of the game is the best grenade launcher in the game?

>>723827825
normalfag predates normie. ive been on this website since 2004 and i like normie just fine you fucking poseur.
>native speaker, third worlder
sounds like you are a self hating third world esl who thinks they found some rules and comes here to bully people trying to feel better

>>723827825
obsessing over punctuation is textbook esl shit

>>723830064
NTA, but it doesn't seem like one has more guns than the other.

>>723829325
Why does Rajesh fear the AI? Did a chatbt AI take your job at Micosoft, Rajypoo?

>>723831054
>following your logic Fallout NV is borderline unplayable
Because a gun is unbalanced? How? I agree that the starter weapon pack the game throws at you with ultimate edition or w/e is bad and throws off the early game balance somewhat, but I don't see how it makes it "unplayable". Funnily enough F4 also now gives you OP grenade launcher in early game with creators club shit.
>Did you know that the Mercenary grenade rifle you get at the start of the game is the best grenade launcher in the game?
I didn't because it's not. It's very strong, though.

>>723829786
Fallout 3 has like 5 guns total. Fallout New Vegas has something 80 guns in it. Nice bait though, pajeet.

>>723831272
It actually depends on which board you're on: anons can get autistic if you use the wrong norm suffix on a different board than its accepted home. Cannot remeber which particular one fits where, but I know /a/ and its circle get particularly anal about it

>>723830241
If you didn't play the game blindly and just read a guide on what the OP builds were, you don't get to speak. Begone.

>>723831017
>you're continuously fucking up your writing despite being here for years fabio
your learning capacity is below that of a midwit
Rent free
>real exciting fighting feral ghoul reavers and albino radscorpions
That’s classic CRPG shit have you never played the Ultima games or Might and Magic? But the devs of Troon Vegays hated dungeon crawling calling it “murder dungeons” because they’re such godamn hippies so it’s no wonder why an Antifa fag like you would hate them as well Kyle
>imagine unironically using randy pitchford language
Literally who
>if it was so obvious then it would be stated literally anywhere, somewherebut it's not so this is cope
Because anyone with at least an average IQ will be able to finger this out
>the harkness quest is typical slavery shit where you turn anti nigger language into anti robot language that's it
Once again you’re giving yourself away here Kyle it’s so oblivious that this is you because you’ve used arguments like this in the past. You try to make everything about politics because that’s what you antifa types do.
>again, the only entity in the game that supports making water fucking lethal is a crazy fucking robot
That’s only what you get from looking at it from a service level but the truth is that the virus will cleanse the wasteland of the demonic mutants who have destroy human knowledge and turned people into inhuman beasts. I know you’re an Antifa thug Kyle and think that those mutants are just stand-ins for oppressed minorities but the facts are as simple as they stand.
Again your wife died last week I think it’s better for you take a break from pushing your antifa viewpoints and touch grass.
Also Reddit spacing you make this too obvious Kyle, go back

>>723829430
Yeah that's about it. The cryo gun, the walther ppk, and the cannon ball gun. That sums up the entire list of FO4's unique weapons LOL.

>>723831747
>Because a gun is unbalanced? How?
There are too many problems to list, but balance is one of them. You know, some perks just not working and stuff like that.
>I didn't because it's not.
It is. It has more dps than any other non-unique grenade launcher.

>>723831272
people sperging over normie was always weird but now it makes zero sense since it's been common and more popular than normalfag for over a decade at this point

>>723831893
I've never read a guide in my life. Stop with your mental gymnastics already.

>>723832195
You don't get to speak about game difficulty when you read guides, Rajesh. It's dishonest. In real countries we don't allow you to bring a cheat sheet with you during an exam, idk how they do it in your fake shit heap of a country though

>>723832371
Why are you having such a mental breakdown over this?

>>723832059
I am sure you have your problems with the game but you saying that it's unplayable "following my logic" is retarded.
>It has more dps
It does not. Remember it's a one shot weapon and then you reload.
>than any other non-unique grenade launcher.
So it's not the best in the game?

>>723809047
Veronica is for punching Cazadors in the throat NOT handholding

>>723832441
Why are you brown?

>>723832839
>Guy having a mental breakdown over an easy game calling anyone brown
Stop the self-hate, it's just a game bro.

>>723833289
If the game is easy then why did you read a guide lmao