Thread 723813158

This was such a fucking disaster of a reveal. Seriously what were they THINKING?

>>723813158 (OP)
Sony was going to do something similar but worst from a technological standpoint.

>>723813158 (OP)
TV TV TV SPORTS MOVIES TV TV
should have just been called Xslop Done

>>723813158 (OP)
They saw the Wii U failing and said "OK how do we sidestep this."

>>723813308
Incorrect, their reveal presentation was all about games and technology.

I stopped paying attention to consoles before it came out, what was wrong with it?

>>723813931
>TV TV TV SPORTS MOVIES TV TV

They did that with the 360. They even gave you a free trial of Netflix.

Mistakenly believed they were in a market dominant position and could demand the industry bend to its will

American bull-marketing doesn't actually work ahen you're not surrounded with other idiot Americans impressed by it, especially not within the week of announcing your always online console after Edward Snowden's privacy leaks

>>723813158 (OP)
Same thing is happening with Playstation, tons of incompetent leaders involved that never gets punished properly. It probably starts at lower levels but eventually they get to the top and it's all downhill from there for the brand/console.

His only mistake was being ahead of the game

I'm out of the loop on consoles. I'm only aware that Xbox has no exclusives and PlayStation has a bunch of remakes.

>>723814023
The ps4 was going to have drm because Sony saw money slipping through their hands on used sales but they reverse course once Xbox did they're shitty reveal.

>>723813158 (OP)
Best thing xbone did was give us rare replay.

>>723814689
They were smart to change direction and not do that, correct. We are still feeling the effects of this policy being avoided to this day and similar efforts are met with a ton of resistance.

>>723813158 (OP)
Playstation revealed the PS4 in february 2013, earlier than Xbox expected since the PS3 still had The Last of Us and Gran Turismo 6 planned for later that year. Microsoft was forced to show their hand early and revealed the Xbox One without a single game for the system ready yet. So they pushed the features of their OS instead and it backfired hard.
The Xbox One was still a horrible console on every front, but that reveal only made it worst for them.

>>723813158 (OP)
The console industry must be the only industry where competition does not create innovation nor a good product.

Pride goeth before a fall.

It was a natural progression from Kinect's success. Yes, success. The damn thing had about a 1:3 attach rate, Kinect was objectively a commercial hit. Problem is that it came at the expense of the hardcore Xbox fans' faith slipping, something Microsoft clearly gave negative fucks about when revealing Xbone, and in the end they lost damn near everyone for it.

>>723813158 (OP)
They were thinking that xbox fans were like sony and nintendo fans and thus liked being fucked up the ass. As they were the only ones to ever rebel against it, Xbox fans were the only ones who weren’t npcs.

>>723815115
Lmao. Virtual game cards on switch is the exact same system. Complete with the required online check in at specific intervals.

>>723816530
No, Microsoft definitely pushed the envelope too hard. And clearly you weren't conscious at the time because fucking no one was buying WiiU then either, and Sony only won because PS4 was the least awful of the lot. That shit had nothing but Bloodborne for over 3 years into its lifecycle.

The funniest thing about the video game industry is that you have all these executives who really have no idea what they're doing. They think to themselves "What do I want out of a video games?" and they think that's what everyone wants. They always kept trying to push an all in one entertainment console because it worked for the PS2 because at the time DVD players were expensive and people bought it for that and to also play games on.

>>723813158 (OP)
too ahead of their time sadly. PS5 STILL cant play movies and games at the same time and it has even less games than xbone

>>723813308
>b-but SONY!

>>723816530
Xbox retards paid to use their internet twice, I will never respect you "people" for being that stupid

>>723816530
>Virtual game cards on switch is the exact same system
That is up to Nintendo fans to push back as much as PlayStation and Xbox fans did 13 years ago.

>>723817021
>reveal drm system
>Sony was supposed to do their own
>haha look ours system is better than Sony's!!!

That is what they were thinking. Its not a but Sony. Its a they thought Sony was going to reveal their shitty drm so they went first in hopes people would go, well the Microsoft one isnt as bad.

Instead Sony ditched the system and made a video to make Microsoft look foolish.

>>723813158 (OP)
There was no thought process, Xbox was already dying when Peter Moore left, it finally collapsed in 2009. That was the point of no return for it because Microsoft Corp. took over, just a slow downhill from there.

>>723813308
Doubt, the Japanese branch of Sony still controlled the PlayStation, that's why the PlayStation died in 2016 when the western branch took over.

>>723816868
Yup, this is why PlayStation and Xbox were always distant to die and go third party. Their other problem is what Apple stated, no original ideas, they must always copy to compete thus people would rather play on the original hardware over the copycat. This is why Microsoft can't beat Valve, this is why Sony can't beat Nintendo.

>>723816530
Sony pushed things slow which is why they had loyal fans, Nintendo tends to be dicks sometimes like Valve, but like Valve, they love gaming and they'll always give their fans what they want, which is why they both have the most loyal fans. Microsoft went through several generations in two generations in gaming while fucking their fanbase harder in the ass than ever before.
>forcing devs to downgrade their game for their weak ass console
>making their players pay twice for online
>killed free map packs and forced paid DLC
>held back gaming with parity clauses
>refuses to upgrade their controllers thus holding back gaming
>forcing motion controls against players will and turning it into a gimmick instead of something "revolutionary"
>not dropping Kinect when even Nintendo were dropping motion controls
>forcing Kinect to be always on/always watching whiling making an online only console for TV, sports, and movies
>shitty naming schemes
>ruins first party sales while trying to ruin other stores on PCs and rival consoles with Game Pass subscriptions where you literally own nothing
>make barely functional first party games while forcing woke propaganda in them
>tries to force third parties to put woke propaganda in their games
>before killing it, tried to raise the price for Xbox Live
>were the only company not allowing free online for free-to-play multiplayer
>would finally allow FTP on their console but then brought back paid FTP with Game Pass
>trying to make a console/PC hybrid pricing their own fanbase out of 10th generation
It was a clear progression from Microsoft. They honestly deserve more hate, GFWL was a warning.

i was reading about this recently, and if i remember right this was in 2011 or 2012 right? just kind of highlights that recurring remark that the world really did end in 2012. i cant think of a single damn thing that has improved since then. even down to shit like a simple toy (video game console).

>>723818847
>>forcing devs to downgrade their game for their weak ass console
The 360, the One, or the Series S?

>>723819932
The 360, the One (at least until 2015), and the Series S (in relation to the Series X). Xbox is a cancer, seriously, fuck Microsoft.

You're wrong, OP.
This was not a delusional misplay from Microsoft. Sharing clusterfuck aside, this reveal promotes exactly what the changing winds of the time period demanded - a banal, ugly, pandering multimedia crockpot designed for wider audiences first and aiming directly up the ass of the point where gamers were starting to be subsumed by the Vine demographic. Technically, this went over exactly as they intended and, between that and the Xbox brand's legacy of being the best for classical multiplayer gaming, it was probably what kept them from getting surf-and-turfed out of the salad bar for ten years competing with a console that was objectively better.

>>723813308
>but worst
Retard.

>>723817671
So youre mad about something SONY *might* have done but didn't.

They did it too early. If they revealed it for X/S people would have no problem with the bullshit.

>>723816530
>virtual game cards on switch is the exact same system
It's not though. Those things exists because companies are as greedy as Sony and they can't be bothered to pay for cartridges, plus there's a size limit. Xbox/Sony pushed digital only hard out of pure greed

>>723820646
>They did it too early
There was no earliness to it, they thought gamers were actual normalfags that were willing to watch TV, sports, and movies, just like they thought gamers only wanted multiplayer slop, all of it blew up directly in their faces all at once. Just like the woke nonsense now, gamers have migrated to Nintendo and PC gaming and have left Xbox behind except the shills, is starting to leave Sony behind for similar but not exactly the same reasons. Xbox is a bigger cancer than PlayStation as Microsoft is a bigger cancer than Sony.

>>723813158 (OP)
The game industry was collapsing, they needed to pivot to selling literally anything else or squeeze more money out of what they have.
Streaming services did the same thing by trying to become publishers.
>>723813931
That was literally their main audience. The problem was that the main audience looked mostly to a small vocal minority of people who play actual games for their opinion, not E3.
So they went to the PS4 for their TV TV SPORTS MOVIES TV.
>>723816036
It did, the problem is just that the speculation, forced memes and normalfags suppressed the competition. They should've just called it quits after 6th gen.
>>723816868
The all-in-one entertainment console after a certain point became less about the pack-ins like the DVD player and more about being able to create a liminal advertising space where they are always selling you something and able to take a cut.

>he was better than Phil
Grim

>>723813931
Eh I liked one guide, having the console be the center point of your tv was cool before smart TV became so ubiquitous

>>723820450
At least 360 didn't have the same shitty memory limitation and bonkers cpu design as the piss3

Too much cocaine in the boardroom can be a very bad thing.

>>723813158 (OP)
It was legendary watching this unfold live
and then Sony and Nintendo knocked it out of the park with their E3s while everyone mocked the Xbox One.

>>723820491
No one demanded this, it was a proven factor that Microsoft didn't give a shit about gaming and that it was time for them to drop it if this is what they thought anyone who plays video games wanted. Current Sony isn't any better since they merged their movies and games divisions into one. Nintendo and Valve are the only two major companies that care about actual video games over these two knucklebrains.

>>723822748
Yeah but people were already cord cutting thanks to Netflix.

>>723822869
True, but it did kept devs from actually learning how the PS3 even worked, of course, Sony wasn't really being helpful either.

>>723813158 (OP)
Such comedy, CoD Ghost reveal alome was hilarious
https://youtu.be/0ut_GtlqpR4?si=FDhdsvSlNiBjncl-

>>723822026
>The game industry was collapsing, they needed to pivot to selling literally anything else or squeeze more money out of what they have.
The industry was never collapsing. It was just dumb ass analysts who thought mobile gaming was going to kill console gaming. They were completely caught off guard by who quickly by how fast the new consoles were adopted. They don't play games so they couldn't see that PS3/360 generation went on way too long and that everyone was good and ready to move on.

>>723823324
If these retards would have just did what Nintendo and Valve did and moved back into AA games, they could have still been in the game, but nope, everything needed to be bigger, everything needed to be AAA, we need to make back all of the money we lost on these expensive projects with live-service slop. Microsoft and Sony did this to themselves because they didn't see the 2007 boom as a bubble that wasn't going to last.

>>723823723
To put things in perspective, Uncharted 2 was once considered the peak of the "cinematic action" game and was developed for $20 million in 2 years.
Now even today, a "speedy" developer like Insomniac takes 5 years to development Spider-Man 2 with a budget of $315 million dollars. Just completely unsustainable.

>>723824336
Hell, the 2020 remaster of Spider-Man (2018) cost $40 million to develop. 40 million to "remaster" a 2 year old game. Insane.

>>723825128
what did she mean by this?.

>xbox sent out a memo asking people not to call it the "xbone"
>someone posts the memo online
>suddenly every human on earth is calling it the xbone
Good times

>>723825462
Remember when the japs were calling it the Xbox Wan after the Call of Doggy reveal?

That is nothing compared to 12 years of self destruction that followed. Xbox is dead, its insane that they purposely destroyed their own brand. Imagine going for 12 years and not have a single good exclusive, and doing nothing to correct their path but double down on it. I wonder if xbox is just a test market for them now. So whenever they get a evil idea they test it on console users first, because they know they will be pigs.

>>723825128
>Nancy Told'em

>>723814219
>They did that with the 360. They even gave you a free trial of Netflix.
still secondary to being a video game console and was totally ignorable, half the xbone reveal was about literally everything except playing games

>>723825128
>they were saying this about Halo 4's Spartan Ops in 2012
They were letting us know the future of Xbox right in our faces and we didn't listen.

>>723821801
That's not it at all. Microsoft thought normies wanted to spend all their time in the living room so they tried making it a gaming/media center.

>>723824336
>cinematic action
We really should have shitted on Sony's and Microsoft's poor directions more.

>>723826809
God, they're retarded, I don't like Sony, but at least they were smart enough to know that gamers and people who liked using their console as a media center were two different groups.

>>723814452
You're so cool man btw What's it like getting consoles leftovers?

>>723813158 (OP)
Just stick with 360, chud

At that point XBOX and Playstation were pretty much even. That reveal and the original XONE were so fucking bad it turned a 50/50 even market split into a 80/20 steamroll in favor of Playstation.
And Phil Spencer said it himself - losing that race was the worst race for XBOX to lose - cause everyone buying a PS4 over the XBONE meant everyone gets into digital/forever libraries with Playstation - and once people have tens/hundreds of games on their Playstation accounts its very difficult to get them to move over - for those people XBOX will either be an afterthought or get ignored entirely. People who say Don Mattrick killed XBOX really aren't that far off. That doesn't excuse all the fuckups Phil Spencer had but even in the most generous scenario with things like Halo actually being decent again - Fable being fucking finished - and Gamepass constantly growing - XBOX would still be deadlast in the console wars and it wouldn't even be close all because of that one huge fuckup.

>>723813158 (OP)
I still think in 2012 positioning your console as a stream box in addition to a console and heavily marketing it was a good idea. This was a relatively young market and they could have capitalized on it but they got scared and brought the worst of both worlds together.

making a streaming shitbox wasn't the worst idea, especially looking back now in retrospect

the problem was everything else

>>723828476
Did you fags forget about the kinect which was forced with facial recognition that builds profiles on you

It was literally a contract with the nsa to spy on you in your home. For $500.

>>723828476
Ignoring their terrible execution it was still a shit idea. The internet and streaming services were evolving way too rapidly for it to be feasible.

>>723828830
They literally were just unlucky because it was just after Snowden revealed that US gov spies on you. Nowadays no one would give a shit. It was also exaggerated a lot.

>>723829036
For some reason normies care when Microsoft spies on them but not Google and Apple.

>>723813158 (OP)
Should have called it the xbox 720.

>>723829036
>It was also exaggerated a lot

Also kys glownigger

>>723828276
>Phil Spencer said it himself - losing that race was the worst race for XBOX to lose
Philly boy didn't even try to save the Xbox Series X, he's the reason it died, it has nothing to do with the Xbone's failure it was long past that.
>showing only cinematic slop instead of gameplay on the Xbox Series X video games reveal
>at the not E3, show games being played on PC instead of the Xbox Series X
>Halo Infinite looked so unfinished that it needed to be delayed a year, when everyone at Xbox wanted to not show Infinite, Phil made the call to show it because he thought it looked great
>instead of allowing Sony to crack first and announce the PS5's price, Microsoft cracks and announces the Xbox Series X's price and Sony announced the PS5's price right after, signifying that Sony would have announced a $600 price if Microsoft would have said nothing
>announces the Xbox Series S to try to undermine Sony only to bottleneck the Xbox Series X because of that piece of shit
>Day one Game Pass killed their first party game sales and ended up no longer making a profit once they acquired all of these studios
Xbox did it to themselves, PlayStation didn't have to do anything to those self-destructing retards. Don Mattrick killed dudebro Xbox, Phil killed Xbox as a whole and now Microsoft Corp. just sees it as an extension of Windows until they get bored of it in the near future and fully kill it, converting it into Microsoft Gaming.

>>723828476
>positioning your console as a stream box
weren't they all about TV TV TV back then? first xbox one even had a hdmi input for you to plug in your shit cable box for xbone to pass it through
working on all that when netflix/disney+/etc were starting to get big was a pretty wild bet to make

>>723829193
Retarded pajeet. They literally had no tech then to spy on you like that. Nowadays your fucking basic website collects more info than XBOX ever could back then.

>>723813158 (OP)
To this day, I genuinely have no idea. It spoiled my relationship with Microsoft forever. I eventually did buy an Xbox One after they reneged and backpedaled, but I was always wary of its possible treachery, and never bought a Series X. Truly a moment to remember.

>>723829350
Kys

>>723813158 (OP)
>Seriously what were they THINKING?
they looked at how people used their xbox in america and uk. they noticed netflix was the #1 app that had the most use time, and they saw how the movie rentals on xbox live were growing. android boxes/smart tvs weren't a thing yet, so they envisioned this multimedia center box that would rule over the living room with the big brother's eye(kinect). in the end they fucked up the messenging by revealing this at the BIGGEST VIDEO GAME CONFERENCE of the year while downplaying the video game aspect of it. the "always online" requirement , drm for discs and just use a 360 if you don't like it was like dumping jet fuel on a burning house. funnily sony also wanted to do the drm and discs thing too, but pivovet away hard after they saw how people reacted and went for the kill with the famous "how you share games on ps4" video. xbone had no chance and mattick didn't give a fuck because he knew he's leaving.

>xbone shit
>wii u was shit
>ps4 had not alot of games and was a winner only for not being the worst
really a dogshit gen

>>723829036
I didn't care about kinect being a potential spy device at all. I was angry that this fucking thing siphoned off system resources that made games look worse than PS4s. At the time when those sleazy devs were babbling about keeping parity among both systems.

>>723831382
WiiU had a few games of note - Bayonetta 2, Splatoon, Tropical Freeze, 3D World, Wonderful 101, Fatal Frame 5. The gimmick was pretty much unmarketable and even if it wasn't, the marketing was legendarily bad regardless. I do think PS4 eventually got it sort of together but prior to about 2017, I'd say WiiU at least had games, plural.

>>723825462
Marketing retards thought that since people were calling the previous console "the 360" they could get people to call their xboner "the one".

>>723829107
People want phones, people don't want a stupid waggle camera for their TV television sports TV box.

>>723816530
lmao what the fuck are you even talking about
The only reason why you don't see no xbots anymore is because all of the games are on PC now.
Who do you think keeps buying the Halo games?

>>723824943
Geoff's complete inability to hide his disdain here is hilarious. Geoff really has always been /ourguy/.

>>723833310
>Who do you think keeps buying the Halo games?
Nobody? Halo Infinite is free to play

>>723813158 (OP)
Thinking? Xbox wasn't thinking at all.

>>723833118
I'm not even gonna make a Matrix joke, this is eye-opening.

>>723834029
There is a duality to him that is very funny to see in action.

>>723815115
Yet, everything became digital garbage over physical anyways