Thread 723857439

>>723857439 (OP)
used a strategy guide? you didn't beat the game

GameShark is illegal you need to stop right now

>>723857439 (OP)
this is why i don't use enemy skill and make each character play like a certain final fantasy class

>>723857827
Who is which class?

>>723857943
well i was planning a run already so i'll just copy and paste the shit i have down, should be obvious what class i'm going for by looking at the materia sets

>limit breaks restricted based on the character, no ultimate weapons or armor, no items usable in battle by anybody except yuffie(no x-potion/turbo ether/(mega)elixir
>aerith will have all the white mage shit + summons, only character allowed to use all with restore/heal, other characters will have some white magic spread among them because she's gonna fucking die, but only on the jobs it makes sense on
>cloud: ice, lightning, restore, revive(after aerith dies), added cut, magic counter, hp plus
>barret: cover, counter attack, restore, barrier, hp plus
>tifa: deathblow+counter, heal, hp plus, speed plus
>red xiii: fire, ice, lightning, earth, heal, destruct, w-magic, speed plus, sense
>yuffie: poison, mystify, transform, double cut, steal, w-item, sneak attack, speed plus, luck plus
>cait sith: gravity, comet, seal, barrier, time, restore, mp plus, mp absorb, only character allowed to use all with barrier/time
>vincent: fire, ice, lightning, earth, contain, ultimate, magic plus, mp plus, quadra magic, only character allowed to use all with black magic
>cid: long range, slash all, time, added effect, enemy skill(magic breath, dragon force), kinda gave up with him to be honest

still not really sure what to do with cid

>>723857439 (OP)
all you need is to run away from all non essential fights and use chocobuckle

>>723857439 (OP)
I could never figure out how to get this to work, I only captured like 2 abilities the whole game. I feel like you have to base your whole playthrough around it to make it viable.

>>723857439 (OP)
The last good FF was Nocturne

Man I'm glad I don't have autism

>>723858348
Nah when I was a kid I got beta early without a guide. That nukes most things for most of disk 1

>>723858485
This. If you fight Midgar Zolom out of curiosity and win, then you get rewarded with a crazy good nuke

>>723858485
Beta breaks the whole game almost, not like it's hard in the first place anyways

>>723857439 (OP)
>fixes the game
>makes leveling characters fun and genuine builds viable

>>723858149
>Vincent as the black mage
But why.

>>723858485
It nukes everything up until the North Crater dude.

>>723859225
who should be the black mage if not vincent?

>>723857439 (OP)
Big Guard has funny sound effects

>>723859309
He's the gunner.

>>723859043
What is this?

>>723858149
What's cloud supposed to be?

>>723857439 (OP)
Good but not even remotely broken. Counter is culprit that fucks the game raw. Even disregarding Mime-Counter it pulls some serious shenanigans in many other ways

>>723859225
NTA but Vincent initial magic stat is higher than others bar Aerith. Plus I think it's funny his limitbreaks take the control away and he becomes a monster so it's extremes of mage and berserker

>>723858348
Not really. It simply helped if you saw interesting enemy attack and tried to have it hit the character with the Enemy Skill materia to see if its learnable. Once you get Cait Sith and Manipulate you don't need to rely on RNG, instead you Manipulate the enemy and have it do its skills on the E.Skill materia holder.

I'd say reaching Wutai and learning Magic Hammer from the plant enemies make the MP resource handling moot because you can just regenerate MP from enemies from that point on. Big Guard E.Skill biggest drawback is the high MP cost so Magic Hammer counters it. Also some other E.Skills are expensive to use so if you didn't pick Magic Hammer, you wouldn't be using them that much

>>723859225
Because he's an edgy goth dude who would dabble in the black arts

>>723857439 (OP)
you can face seph with a lvl 8 cloud thanks to enemy skill
i managed to get beta at first chance with a minimal level team (save for aeris the exp sponge, since someone has to be alive)
i also managed to beat the dio's challenge to cloud at the battle arena (pic related), and then got omnislash (once again, using aeris)

I didn't need a guide to find Matra Magic.
I didn't need a guide to find Aqualung.
I didn't need a guide to go back to the Zolom fight and get Beta when I was strong enough to actually survive it.

>>723861985
that's good because I was going to instead point out Laser and Chocobuckle instead which were peak guidebait

>>723862602
Laser? Um... The earliest point to get it is from Death Claws in Corel Prison right after Cait Sith joins so it's on you if you didn't use it. You can also get in the final dungeon from Black Dragons

I don't know why you'd need Chocobuckle other than completion sake. But if you already had other E.Skills why not try see if the chocobos can be manipulated too?

>>723860760
Red Mage?

>>723860760
berserker who never berserks until the final fight

>>723859225
because he's a really fucking good mage and his limit break is dogshit so you never have his attack available anyway

>>723864624
I like the concept of his limit break but it's just. Eh. Plus the first 2 limitbreaks of his are elementals so if the enemy absorb the element, you can't turn it off. Plus the first boss, Materia Keeper, after the earliest point you can get Vincent absorbs Fire and guess what Vincent's first limit break's element is? They were deliberately doing it.

Funnily Materia Keeper's weakness was Fire in Rebirth but it was relegated to the Nibelheim flashback

>>723864624
>>723864778
Maybe in the OG Materia Keeper's weakness was supposed to be Fire to show how cool Vincent is but they fucked it up and had the boss absorb fire instead

>>723864624
You get Deathblow at Rocket Town, right after Nibelheim and some of Vincent guns' have high enough accuracy to make it viable. I guess Deathblow was meant to be used to allow him attack even if he had Limit Break gauge full

>>723864473
stats are to shit to represent him. Mystic Knight, Fighter, or Paladin fits more

>>723864813
The boss before Materia Keeper was Gi Natak in Cosmo Canyon and Gi too absorbed fire. I dunno if they actually planned to have 2 consecutive bosses absorb fire

>>723857943
Cloud - Magic Fencer
Barret - Knight
Tifa - Monk
Aerith - White Mage
Red XIII - Red Mage
Cait Sith - Black Mage
Cid - Dragoon
Yuffie - Ninja/Thief
Vincent - Blue Mage

>>723864879
why the FUCK would I give deathblow to vincent when I could give it to tifa?

>>723864879
you get deathblow in gongaga not rocket town, I don't think you get any in rocket town unless palmer throws one at you but I don't remember

>>723865650
You can only bring 2 characters to your party as Cloud is mandatory. You have Barret, Tifa, Aerith, Red, Yuffie, Cait Sith, Vincent and Cid to choose from. It's possible to bring Vincent without bringing Tifa.

>>723865717
Ah, true. You can find Deathblow in Gongaga and you can buy it from Rocket Town

>>723865650
Both Tifa and Vincent are viable characters for Deathblow because of their weapons

>>723858348
If you get Beta, Trine, or Aqualung it's basically an instant kill button on most enemies. The only thing that's semi bullshit about E.Skill are the ones like pandora's box or stuff that requires you to use manipulate then have the enemy cast it on you, since that's pretty much trial and error. But there are a handful of them like Big Guard and White Wind that are so broken that even on their own they make the materia worth equipping.

>>723866068
Agreed. And the main thing E.Skill has is that it only takes one materia slot. Other spells before you get Master Materia would take multiple slots to not only have but also needed to link with All materia for them to hit every target. Now E.Skill does all that and only takes 1 slot

>>723865763
yes but I'd rather have them both
nigger what, did you even read the conversation?
Vincent for magic
Tifa for punching and blowing

How do you break a game that's piss easy to begin with? You can literally do anything and never lose except to optional superbosses.

>>723866236
I dunno, I rotate my party members after each dungeon. And I always buy all the weapons from the weapon stores even when I know some of them don't get used before the next weapon store and new weapons

>>723864473
>>723865021
Red Mages in FF play more like Bards in D&D but without the songs. Half-casters and all.
Mystic Knight seems fine for him, since he uses his sword to cast limit breaks.

>>723859043
issue i had with the builds in this is it's basically physical, spell, or tank and the total stat allocation for some of the builds are so much lower than equivalents you feel pidgeonholed into the "intended" build
Giving Aeris a physical build with some of the new staves was fun, though

>>723866310
When I first played FF7 in 90s, it was my first JRPG. I remember losing to Reno with his Golden Pyramid at Sector 7 pillar, the elevator bosses in Shinra HQ because I didn't re-equip the materia for Aerith, Barret and Red, Materia Keeper, Demon Wall, the two headed dragon in the ice cave because I killed both the heads at same time and died to the 2 consectuive retaliation attacks when the head dies and Carry Armor and Seraph Sephiroth

>>723861447
Counter Phoenix allowed me to unga bunga Emerald Weapon without ever learning the trick to it

>>723862949
It's crazy to me that people cannot fathom the notion of others discovering shit without a guide, and even get mad at the suggestion that it's possible.

>>723866707
>even get mad at the suggestion that it's possible.
this is the weirdest bit to me
why even get mad at that?

>>723866594
Emerald Weapon's gimmick is that its Aire Tam Storm deals damage equal to 1111 x the number of materia the character has equpped. If you went in blind, the Aire Tam Storm would annihilate you because you would have more than 9 materia per character. Also Phoenix + Counter doesn't work if the attack kills the caster so you probably talking about Phoenix + Final Attack and to get Final Attack you would need to beat Battle Square multiple times to trigger the Special Battle you get the Final Attack from and if you manage to do that, you already knew Emerald Weapon and its gimmick. Plus you would need to have Underwater Materia if you were to beat Emerald Weapon without knowledge, because it woudl have taken more than 20 minutes unless you were using multi-counters, multi hit Limit Breaks and multi-hits. So your Phoenix + Counter going blind is a lie.

You came to this thread to lie.

>>723866236
Tifa Blows Dolphins. And Italian senates.

>>723866743
Nta but if one missed something crucial, they often think majority of others did too. They don't realize they themselves might be dumber than average. If just before the missable stuff a character joins you with new gimmick (Manipulate materia) it's very common for players to try it out and stumble upon early Laser because they were curious to see how the Manipulate materia works

>>723866837
Not to mention you can only cast Phoenix as many times as the materia has levels and if you are not efficent dealing damage, Emerald weapon would be using Aire Tam over 5 times and you would run out the Phoenix casts

>>723857439 (OP)
more like press x to attack breaks the game, even boss fights are over before they even start
galenmyra beta 16 fixes this damn good mod, but fuck the levelling curve changes and removal of source farming

>>723866837
>You came to this thread to lie
Go fuck yourself.
>Emerald Weapon's gimmick is that its Aire Tam Storm deals damage equal to
I never knew that until many, many years later. Aire Tam Storm would nuke the party, Phoenix revived them, and thats how I beat Emerald Weapon.
>Final Attack
Okay so maybe it was that one, I know I got it from Gold Saucer. Getting those mixed up doesn't make me a liar though.
>to get Final Attack you would need to beat Battle Square multiple times to trigger the Special Battle you get the Final Attack from and if you manage to do that, you already knew Emerald Weapon and its gimmick
How are those things related? Why would I know that from fucking around at Gold Saucer doing battle arena and chocobo races? I honestly got all of those things without knowing that the number of materia equipped affected the damage of Aire Tam Storm.

>>723867030
Look you can be an obtuse dickhead until the sun burns out, it won't change a damn thing. I have zero reason to lie about not understanding an obscure mechanic from an RPG that I beat in 1998.

>>723857827
I've thought about something like this, like to just load one character up with all the garbage summon materia you never actually use, and make them my summoner.
Could make a Time mage, give them the haste, barrier, meteor
But steal materia goes on all 3. Fuck steal rates in these games.

>>723864473
I thought that too but Red XIII has W-magic so he's the red mage. What sort of melee focused spellcaster is there?
>>723865159
>>723865021
>Magic Fencer
>Mystic Knight
What did I miss, what are these jobs?

>>723867143
>I never knew that until many, many years later. Aire Tam Storm would nuke the party, Phoenix revived them

If you die, the only way to cast anything at that point is the Final Attack materia that triggers on the characters death. You didn't go unga bunga, you spent ungodly amount of time to a) grind enough levels and GP to manage to clear Battle Square for the 2 top prizes that trigger the Special Round for the Final Attack b) you'd also need to grind the Phoenix materia to max to get 5 casts and c) you levelled up KoTR to max to have enough casts to kill Emerald Weapon. You couldn't even mime the KOTR enough times because after 2 KoTR you would get insta hit by Aire Tam and your Phoenix would break the mime rotation.

You didn't go unga bunga, you didn't go blind, you just did what all the guides online at that time told you to do and you even had Underwater Materia to remove the 20 minute time limit.

To actually go unga bunga without Underwater Materia just requires few Counter Attacks for multi hit counters, Cloud, Cid and Barret having their multi-hit limitbreaks and 2xCut materia and/or Slash All (not actually necessary) and have characters hold less than 9 materia each. That's unga bunga

>>723867263
>Attack name having gibberish Aire Tam
>Doesn't realize it's materia backwards leading to conclusion it has something to do materia, the very core skill and ability mechanic the player can customize
>makes up a lie and thinks anons who are autistic about the game will believe his made up lie

You were and are dumb, that's granted

>>723867278
>Mystic Knight
First appeared in FFV although it was called Sorceror in the first translation. Imbues weapon attacks with spell effects.

>>723867439
>you didn't go blind
I never said I went in "blind" retard, I got my ass kicked several times and went looking for a trick to beat the boss. What I came up with was repeared auto-res with Phoenix. It's likely I also had shit like quad cut and chain summoning Bahamut Zero.

Hence what I meant by unga bunga: I brute forced it with full materia without ever realizing the gimmick. Plenty of people did. I have no idea how this is news to you, much less why you'd get a hair up your ass about it, but as I said it doesn't matter what you believe. That's what happened.

>>723867512
Yeah and apparently I'm not JUST dumb, I'm also lying about being too dumb to figure out a word jumble nearly 30 years ago. Go fucking figure

>>723857439 (OP)
You really don’t need to break the game, it’s an easy game

>>723867669
That's not unga bunga, that's doing all the side stuff (morphing the ghost ship for item to be traded fir Underwater Materia, levelling up Phoenix to max, clearing Battle Square for Final Attack, breeding Gold Chocobo for KotR and levelling KotR to max). Your Bahamut Zero excuse falls flat because you'd still to only 4 times 9999 which you can already do with 4xCut and multihit limitbreaks do that even better with more hits.

You did everything the online guides in 90s told you to do.

>>723861959
>advent children Cloud in original game
you didn't beat it

>>723867870
heh

>>723867821
Did you steal weapon for Aerith in train graveyard to make her hit harder than Cloud or Barret with her regular physical attack?

>>723867848
>That's not unga bunga
Shut the fuck up with your retarded pissant semamtic bullshit. I'm done.

>>723867895
[Victory Fanfare midi] Thanks for the EXP, AP and gil, loser

They meant it to do that. Most of the shit is not in an ordinary place you would encounter enemies, hell Big Guard and White Wind you have to also Manipulate the enemy

VII was great at giving you overpowered shit for doing well, like the Force Stealer

>>723867278
FF7 doesn't really have much to emulate the mahoukenshi outside elemental and added effect

>>723865901
>Deathblow ignores row
Sonovabitch.

>>723857827
>>723857943
>>723865159
Thread's dead but I've done a similar run to this, but I did 2 jobs for each character just for fun
>Cloud
Mystic Knight + Paladin
Has some magic, elemental atks, and sword attack skills like x4 cut
I choose Paladin as an excuse to give him Cover but I only do that after Cloud has his arc
>Barret
Gunner + Archer
Same thing I know but this is just me putting all the long range stuff on him
>Tifa
Monk + Black Belt
I unironically miss Black Belt and feel it has a niche and I really wish there was a stacking materia that worked like it.
Monk is all the counter stuff and I think of Black Belt as having deathblow and Final Attackk is used with deathblow too
>Aerith
White Mage + Summoner
No need to explain this one
>Red
Red Mage + Fighter
I give him spells, mp absorb, and some physical buffs
>Cait Sith
Black Mage + Gambler
No need to explain this one either
>Cid
Dragoon + Engineer
I think of Engineer similar to FFIV Cid so he's the only one with Sense
High phys dmg, low hp, and he has added effect for status ailments
>Yuffie
Ninja + Thief
All the speed
>Vincent
Berserker + Dark Knight
Fitting DRK, I give him low hp but try to get his dmg as high as I can and give him the absorb materias too

It was a fun run

>>723859043
truth but only if youre playing 1.5 arranged

2.0 was literally a step backwards in every respect. dont do it

>>723859656
gameplay mod you can install with 7th heaven. do 1.5 not tranny 2.0 (there are two seperate mods for each version) and pick arrange (hard) mode, its better balanced and you still dont need to grind just be smart.
some highlights:
>much more difficult and redesigned bosses
>new enemy encounters
>option to save aeris, she is given new dialogue after disc 1
>expanded battle arena
>a ton of new post game content, every character has a sidequest for their lvl 4 limit
>equipment and some materia are totally changed, as well as materia locations, you will get cooler materia much earlier
>leveling up only gives you hp and mp,stat growth is done with an AP like system where you build your characters class with certain stat upgrades
>limit breaks are redone, some OP ones are nerfed and useless ones are buffed
>ultimate weapons are much more difficult to get, must be crafted with different items
>option to have cid or tifa as your permanent party leader in the post game letting you do different party setups

all in all the definitive version of ffvii for me, will never go back to vanilla. just dont play 2.0, i have no idea what sega chief was thinking. it has SOME good new additions but the balancing is completely fucked and even worse the dev finally couldnt help himself and went overboard with cringe OC replacing the original game.

Cloud = Mystic Knight (official)
Barret - Machinist
Tifa = "Shootboxer" (official)
Aerith = Geomancer (official)
Red XIII = "Beast" (official)
Yuffie = Ninja (official)
Cait Sith = Beastmaster (official)
Vincent = "Horror-Terror (Abomination)" (Official)
Cid = "Pilot (Dragoon)" (official)
Sephiroth = Samurai
Hojo = Chemist

>>723857827
> and make each character play like a certain final fantasy class
same.
like blue mage :^)

>>723859043
The hard mode version of this was a fun run
If any anons are into doing difficulty runs of FF games I recc doing NT for FF7
>>723870339
What's bad about 2.0? Never played that version
Also nice to see another arranged enjoyer, I knew that mod was going to be fun when I saw the double airbuster fight kek
The way the 2nd one actually showed up on the field at the same time as the boss theme started was kino

>>723870562
You write like a slav, so post ignored

>>723870562
>>leveling up only gives you hp and mp,stat growth is done with an AP like system where you build your characters class with certain stat upgrades
Sounds fucking dogshit, who put X's sphere grid trash into 7?

>>723857439 (OP)
I play it yearly or so and it became "that part" where I get discouraged because my entire run will just boil down to spamming trine and white wind.

>>723870969
its nothing like the sphere grid where every character becomes the same by the end of it, quite the opposite where youre forced to make them certain classes

>>723859591
barret is the gunner/ranger.
vincent is actually the berserker.

>>723870969
sphere grid is way superior to the FF7 leveling system.
the FF7 leveling might as well not exist.

I think I'm realizing that 1 character = 1 class as in DQ11 for instance is just superior.

>>723857439 (OP)
literally everything other than just auto attacking breaks the game, engaging with any system, even at a basic level will spike your power level really high

it's fun to get overpowered but it always bothered me how you're punished for interacting with all the cool systems the game has

>>723870128
Sounds kino.

Did you ever buy materia in Midgar? They sell Lightning, Ice and Restore you get anyways in the first Reactor but also Fire you get when Red XIII join you at Shinra HQ. You don't really need Fire earlier because there really arent enemies or bosses weak to it before. I still bought them because it felt dumb they sell it if you don't buy them. And it felt goid to have 2 characters be able to cast Bolt and heal if necessary

>>723872398
4x cut also kinda breaks the game

>>723873835
Yes. I'd usually grab a second Restore then Fire so Aries had some options. Then a second Bolt and Ice before the Shinra HQ so I'd have an extra set once I got Red.
After I'd usually buy two sets lf everything unless it was expensive or something I know I'll never really use. I dont enjoy playing musical material so, with a few exceptions, I lock in what people are using.

>>723873835
related to this, I always found it funny that you had to confirm before buying any item, but materias are bought on a single click

>>723871234
Kill yourself then revive then kill yourself again, fucking loser

>>723857439 (OP)
Not that strong. The ATB fucks over all the buffs. Big Guard is pretty much useless and you can't multicast the spells.

>>723874272
It's because of the way materia inventory works, it's very convoluted and crazy.

>>723874796
yeah man real winners defend one of the laziest level up systems ever put into a game.

>>723874891
>Grinding for items and exp is somehow better than just grinding for exp
Autism.

>>723873835
I don't buy many
Early on I get by with grenades and whatever I find, I spend more on items

>>723874930
Retard. You are not understanding at all because the guy didn't explain it correctly. You level up and at a certain point of the game you can use an option in a save crystal. There you choose a character and choose 4 kinds of "builds" each option will give you a limited amount of stat sources that you have to use in that menu. Then it locks you out of the option. That way you make your characters have clear roles with the specific stats you chose. You can focus entirely on Cloud being a mage by choosing the option that gives the most magic sources and choosing the Limit Breaks that scale with magic. It is really fun.

>>723874930
yeah its a lot of fun to actually have zero impact on a characters growth.
its the kind of cerebral thing that makes me play RPGs.

Id do anything for a new threat ffviii. instead I have to do ridiculous challenge run handicaps to make it fun.

>>723872398
even just auto attacking works