Thread 723879120

i am too retarded for this game
should i kill myself
i will never do anything in life if i cant beat this normie game

>>723879120 (OP)
what are you up to

>>723879120 (OP)
just git gud

>>723879226
>sushi belt with everything thrown together
You must love waiting.

>>723879437
it's about having fun

>>723879120 (OP)
Just move the thing to the other thing to make thing
Then move that thing to other thing

>>723879120 (OP)
It sounds cool to me but the looking at the sprawling factories in threads like these and imagining the headache of planning them out that far makes me feel more anxiety than my actual job

>>723879120 (OP)
It bothers me that these promotional images always show completely nonsensical designs

>>723880680
Planning? You make a line with a truckload of base resources, then branch off of it with whatever you need at the moment.

>>723879542
Was this built by Squidward

Factorio is aggressively not a normie game.

>>723879120 (OP)
I wish normalfags could enjoy factorio.
World would be a better place.

>>723879542
hello jaden

>>723880680
>planning

>>723879542
>Michael J Fox makes a factory

>>723879542
>every time the bus splits it has to shift the lanes
would love to see this on a larger scale

just play satisfactory

>>723882459
>Factorio but without cool guns or bug genocide
what's the point?

>>723882910
it has 2 guns and "spiders" tho

just keep playing and experimenting

>>723880680
It's not that complicated. Just make a train network full of raw resources from ore deposits and oil fields and drop them off at production sites and refineries as and when required. As for moving intermediate resources, you can again just use trains or a main bus to dump off resources at a specific production site. With EM plants and foundries getting to 1k spm is extremely easy.

>>723882459
i find i can't stand the first person perspective after a while. and somersloop autism sucks because you want to avoid doing certain things until you can multiply them

>>723883209
The guns look gay and arent cool at all. Even the wimpy time dilation gun from Subnautic had more cool factor

i'm avoiding factory games until Dyson sphere program gets the vehicle update

>>723883505
:(

>>723882910
I play Factorio wthout biters.

>>723883520
what’s the point when the galaxy is empty

>>723879542
that boy ain't right

>>723879542
Delete this image, I'm not opening it

>>723883520
aren't you already a robot flying around a solar system?

>>723879120 (OP)
It's really not that hard. I finished it before I even figured out main bus design.

That being said, I understand your feelings because I lack the quick reaction time to play most multiplayer games. I hate that too.

>>723879120 (OP)
unironicaly play with bitters off, its a much better experience when starting off since you can take all the time in the world and not worry about bitters comming in to kill your factory, once you have a firm grasp on the game turn them back on

>>723879542
He likes handguns.

It's fun figuring things out in Factorio. Or rather it's fun ONCE you actually figured it out. Getting there can be frustrating. Like trying to calculate ratios on your own.

My mistake was that I didn't notice there is Crafting time and Crafting speed. It didn't help that you never see them on the same screen. One has a tiny s behind it's value and one does not. This is actually extremely important. Crafting time says how long an item takes to create. Crafting speed on the other, which also is 0.5 (without the s) for most basic items, is the speed of your assembler. Now of course you get all of this information for free and your assembler tells you exactly how much it produces on average every second. Back then, when I played, you actually had to calculate this yourself. And not knowing that your basic assembly machines work at 50% speed (the factorio dev prefers to not use percentages for some reason), then ALL of your ratios are wrong.

My other more recent mistake was using the circuit network for the first time. You know lots of people just skip over the most important and the most basic things you need to know to get it to work. It's not enough to just say "this pump is going to activate and drain fluid from this storage, when it's at more than 90% capacity". If you do that NOTHING will happen. I thought I was retarded and tried out all different kinds of mathematical signs. Maybe I am retarded and don't know that < means less than? The game gaslights you like that sometimes. But then it turns out you need to specify EXACTLY what signal type you want to compare to the number you set. I thought (reasonably) if you didn't specify, it would just use fluid content, no matter what it is. No, you actually have to say that only when the LIGHT OIL signal in that storage tank is above a certain number, the condition for the pump is activated.

>mine material
>so that you can build machines
>that mine material
>so that you can build machines

what exactly is the point of this game?

>>723887082
Mining minerals and building machines

>>723887082
Optimizing. That's literally the fun. You start out with something shit that barely works and then you make it gradually better.

It's also a Godgame/control thing. You decide how everything works in the smallest detail so if it messes up it's on you, but if it works like clockwork you're proud.

>>723887082
you build stuff in order to build more stuff until you get bored, anon

>>723887082
>>723887318
Also the end goal is to get off the planet/send a rescue mission.

>>723886429
also space platforms but i don’t trust the chinks to do any of the space stuff competently, they seem totally lost beyond the starter planet

>>723887082
thats it
its cookie clicker with conveyor belts, cant stand it either

Anyone have a definitive list of good Zachtronics/factorio games?

>>723882327
White man's game.

>>723887082
>shoot more people
>so you can rank up
>so you can shoot more people
>to rank up more

what exactly is the point of COD?!

the point is the gameplay is fun, and it's fun to progress and learn more

>>723886984
Never thought I'd see somebody complain about being too autistic for Factorio of all games.

>>723887507
it's been sitting in my library ever since I launched my first factorio rocket years ago but I've yet to give it a real go

>>723887851
I am a more complete Human being than you for this!

>>723879542
cute bacon factory

>>723879120 (OP)
If you're too retarded for factorio, you're too retarded kill yourself. Keep playing.

>>723886984
There's an "anything" signal you can use to trigger when anything > some number.

i love lasers
why can't lasers be good in space

>>723890724
no fun allowed

>>723887082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cntb3wcZdTw

>>723890541
You still need to choose that "anything" signal though. You can't just leave it blank.

>>723890724
I wish there were real differences between the asteroids so that you needed different weapons for different routes.

How do I get into this game? I played it for 11 hours and dropped it until further notice. Thing is, I'm an autistic minmaxing faggot and that makes games like this painful to learn
>Play an hour
>Unlock thingamajing crafting factory
>Realize my current layout has no room for that
>Make spaghetti to make it work
>Play an hour
>Unlock thingamabob crafting factory
>Realize my current layout has no room for that
>Make more spaghetti to make it work
>Repeat until there's so much spaghetti you want to restart
This is what happened, but I know that I'll just end up in the same spot after 20 hours becaue there's so much shit to unlock I can't prepare for.

More importantly, once I realized that it's a solved game and I can just download build patterns other people made so I don't have to think, it got hard to want to think about building layouts myself. I'm sure the other autists with 5000+ hours in this are way better than I am at coming up with ANYTHING for this game.

>>723887082
Feed the machine. The machine must grow.

>>723879120 (OP)
the first step was recognizing it's a "normie" game so you're already leagues ahead of those retards that think you need to be a genius to play this. just keep playing

Gleba ruined the game.

>>723879120 (OP)
>shit goes in
>new shit goes out
it's not that hard anon

>>723891448
welcome to programming
this game is just devving with a coat of paint
and you will never finish your game

>>723891448
>"I'm an autistic minmaxing faggot"
>doesn't build a bus
you might be autistic and a faggot but you surely have not been min-maxxing this game

>>723892513
Yeah, I have not because I tried to have >fun instead of just immediately reading about the game and looking at patterns other people made.

But basically this seems about right >>723892483

unironically, is this game a good foundation for learning programming fundamentals? or will this box me into a brown "if-and" jeetcoder bad habits

How many of you turn off enemies.

>>723891448
Embrace the spaghetti. You can build any shit you want as long as you call it your starter base. Just build a new factory next to it when you get annoyed.

>>723892847
>build a new base
I agree. I never take down the old one either, use it to build the new factory.

>>723892798
turning off biter expansion is all you need

>>723892798
>railword
>expansion on

>>723892683
you think you need to research designs to build a bus?
I mean it's an intuition problem really... eventually you should be able to realize what needs to be fed to other parts of your factory

>>723892798
I've been thinking about it, but my brain won't let me. Not even run railworld. But then again, I know it's dumb because I just build the same flamethrower wall every time and biters are a non-issue.

>>723892798
I just set all the sliders as far up/down as they could go without disabling achievements

>>723893406
I know this game is for autists, but if you try to emphatize with someone who has barely played the game, you'll realize that I have no idea what the fuck a bus is in this context. Ferrying stuff over from one place to another, yeah, so what?

Making a bus is a retarded idea if you asked me.
Just learn the ratios of shit you need. It actually teaches you better design by making you aware of how much is too little and how much is too much.
Buses are for the filthy lower tier autist who doesn't want to be efficient.
And when you need to rebuild your ugly ass base? Yeah. That's more work on your shoulders. Ideally your starter base carries you to another planet without ever having been rebuilt, but you can easily do that without a bus.

Good thing nobody asked that faggot.

>>723892782
It doesn't teach programming at all by itself, it just activates programmer brain like a passive buff

>>723879120 (OP)
normie?
anyway I want to build these cool stuff but the aliens are a pain in the ass

How do bases that don't utilize a main bus work any different from ones that do? Not to say that the main bus is the only way to make a factory, but the principal stays the same no matter the layout: one section consumes a resource to output a product for something else to consume. The bus is just how you transfer the product around. Multiple things need iron plates, copper plates, electronic circuits, and so on and so on. So how do non-main bus factories "not bus things around?" Are they making a furnace stack specifically to make the iron plates needed for gears needed for red science, and then make a completely different furnace stack to make iron plates for green circuits for yellow inserters for green science?
Every factory has a "bus," what matters is how much of that bus is spaghetti.

Trains.

>>723882459
That's a worse Factorio for butthurt antifa types.

ratio nerds just want an excuse for why they never get anything done
i've already copypasted the whole shit to double production by the time they finish sharpening their pencils lmao

>>723894352
sort of like knee socks and hrt

>>723895234
Yes basically just bus as a concept with more spaghetti down the line.
>why should I bring over a whole new line of iron plates if I can just extend this belt a liiiiiitle bit further to feed something new? :^)
That idea applied multiple times.

>>723895234
Not sure how you can grow a base without at least an iron and copper bus. Everything uses it.

>>723882104
Thank you, Anon.
I appreciate you.

>>723879120 (OP)
>normie game
anon i know there's even more autistic shit out there but you need to reexamine your definition of 'normie'. normies are playing fifa 57 and battlefield 20

>>723895697
I look like this

>>723887082
>what exactly is the point of this game?
but you just said it

>>723893638
a bus in this game is just a giant array of conveyor belts and pipes, where you'd generally have 2 (horizontal) rows of something followed by 3 empty rows, followed by another 2 rows of something and so on. so when you need something to build something else, you just run a line off the bus down or up to a mini factory. for stuff like gas and liquid, you just put pipes between the conveyor belts in the middle of those 3 empty spots.

>>723882459
Yeah no thanks. I own it and played 90h. Was fun for awhile but you burn out quick. I had a small complex of buildings with multiple floors constructing stuff but as I unlocked new tech I realized that I'd have to tear down a lot of it and I just don't feel like re-configuring half my base which would probably take 20 hours minimum.

>>723897240
Yeah, that's the loop that kills it for me too. It’s like a trap disguised as progress - unlock new tech, stare at your base, realize everything’s a house of cards. You either spend 20 hours rebuilding or just alt+F4 and never come back. At least Factorio gives you the illusion you’re scaling up instead of kneecapping your past self every 5 hours.

>>723897934
agreed. it also doesn't help that the blueprinting structure's building zone is so small. I realize you can unlock bigger blueprinting sizes later but you can still only fit a couple medium-large constructors. It's almost useless for getting large builds up and running quickly.

You're exactly right. I reinstalled and loaded up my save recently and that's exactly what happened. I looked at the new tier 6-7 stuff I unlocked, realized my whole factory layout needs to be re-designed from the ground up and I just uninstalled.

>Can't get past blue science
>I'll make a bus!
>Now can't get past purple science

Lmfao. Just learn ratios it's not hard.

>>723879120 (OP)
Yes

>>723887082
it's actually the logistics porn part of it for me

>>723879120 (OP)
>Factorio
>Normie game

This game filters normies hard. What are you talking about

how do you build without the bugs bugging you? i mean like in the levels

>>723899085
Purple is easy, yellow is the real bastard nauvis pack.

>>723899348
Most fags don't even make it past blue science

>>723899197
You exterminate them first

>>723887082
It's Monster Hunter if you cut everything down to just the core gameplay loop.

>>723899176
i suppose it depends on how you define normie

>>723899443
>>723899637
yeah but I have to fucking refill the turrets and maintain the walls, and I have tons of work to do and experiments to try but can't because I have to keep doing those two chores

>>723899821
>refill the turrets and maintain the walls
Well not necessarily. See, they only attack if their nest is in your pollution cloud. Go out there, destroy the nests that are in or close to your pollution cloud and enjoy some free time. Just don't forget to plant some radars around so you know when them little buggers expand again.

>>723899821
>yeah but I have to fucking refill the turrets and maintain the walls
you haven't unlocked bots nor the good turrets
bugs are a joke at that point of the game git gud

>>723900014
so the answer was overkill the whole time, don't shoot em when they come, go to them and burn them down
alright then
>>723900080
I know, hence why I am asking for help

>>723899821
automate that shit ffs
ngmi

>>723900182
>so the answer was overkill the whole time
Kinda, though mind that destroying nests evolves them quickly, and at some point you WILL have to set up some automated defences.

>>723899821
Automate it dingus. I made some ammo factories and set up conveyer belts and arms so that my turrets always stayed topped up

Space Age 100% filtered me, lads. I can play base Factorio just fine, but am completely fucking lost as to what I'm supposed to in Space Age besides a very vague "make platforms somehow, ship stuff to them somehow, fly them to other planets somehow, use the stuff there to make 10 billion more different types of science packs." Tech tree's different (and missing stuff), I have no clue how any of the new stuff works. I know I'm just dumb, and it feels bad. Right there with you, OP.

just loaded factorio on steam deck and trying to play without a kb+m gave me a stroke

>>723886984
>>723889016
Salutations succ. Where you been

>pretending to be retarded for engagement
grim

>>723900217
>>723900747
i know i am supposed to do that but it's taking time from the actual shit i want to build

>>723879120 (OP)
Factorio is not even remotely a "normie game"

>>723901274
Going and constantly filling them yourself is taking WAY more time away from what you want to be building though

>>723901780
No shit, he posted that just to bait replies like this.

>>723901932
fair point, I guess I don't like the idea of taking time on non creative/sandbox levels in games in general so I overthink shit
I'll just listen to these tips and burn the hive and build the factory for the turret before getting back to work

>>723902093
See if you can explore out a bit and find any nice choke points between cliffs/water so you can just fortify them instead of making long walls yourself.

>>723902227
ill take note of that too, though i am just starting at where the game put me for now I guess

>>723899402
both purple or yellow take more resources than the first 4 packs combined so it's not surprising people have trouble when you suddenly have to scale up that much.

>>723899197
Early on, get a car and destroy all the hives around you. Later on, just use bots to build a wall with an ammo belt going all the way around the base.

>>723900926
you're right, you are dumb
but you can always get smarter

>>723902373
I like spending hours killing nests with a tank and then building walls with flamethrowers and lasers linked to my main power/oil so they're permanently supplied and I'm protected effectively forever

>>723879542
actual spagetti

>>723903006
Neat

>>723900926
First make sure your nauvis defenses are solid and that you have a bot network not only set up but also automated to produce more bots and roboports. Once that's good then make a platform and start researching as much space science as you can. Remember that you can throw excess stuff out into space so do that to prevent your platform belts from clogging up. Once you have thrusters researched, make another platform and build it for travel. You absolutely need to make sure you have ammo production handled to feed the turrets at the front of your platform. When you're ready to go then pick a planet that tickles your fancy and fly there with plenty of base building supplies on hand. Land and start figuring out how the new planet works. I recommend vulcanus if you want insane raw material production, but if you want to get into quality more then head to fulgora.
You can do it, anon. Just take it one step at a time.

>>723879437
>doesn't enjoy seeing all the delicious sushi pass by
it's a charm in of itself

>>723879542
delet dis

being bad at this game just means you have to wait a few minutes more. There is no downside to just letting the game run in the background

>>723879686
That would be so beautiful

>>723903659
Unless you play on a Deathworld (intended) of course.

>>723879542
what the fuck

I tried to get into it but just couldn't. Its like they took all the boring parts of good minecraft tech modpacks as inspiration.

>>723879120 (OP)
Nah

>install some of bobs mods
>carbon+copper ore+limestone+hydrogen->copper plate+cobalt oxide
>cobalt oxide+sulfuric acid->cobalt plate
>cobalt plate->fucking nothing
Guess I should have looked in the pedia before setting this up.

>>723903659
Or you can just improve your base so you don't have to wait...

>>723886375
fulgora looks different, what mod is this?

>>723879542
I've heard of turning 360 and walking away, but never 45

>>723902589
the first two packs are tutorial recipes that barely require anything

>>723895234
Trains.

>>723879542
Please delete this

>>723895234
The main benefit of the "Main Bus" is scalability. Adding new production lines is easy, as is extending existing ones. If you aren't producing enough Engines to feed your Chemical Science, just 2x the Engine Assembling Machines. If that eats all your Iron Gears, just 2x that as well. This works in theory until one of the input item belts hits the throughput limit. And in the case you are overproducing something, the belt will just back up and the materials are freed to flow downstream again.

This works mostly with vanilla and vanilla-esque mods (like Bob's) where all recipes have N inputs and exactly 1 output. You never run into a situation where some production line downstream is producing something as a byproduct which either backs up and stops production, or would be useful if it was transported upstream to where the actual production line of the byproduct is. Mods like Pyanodons are designed to make Main Bus builds unviable.

>>723895406
Satisfactory: Capitalism baaaaaaad.
Factorio: Capitalism is the most powerful force found in nature.

>>723895234
You have train stations for the major components. The copper mines have stations, the iron mines have stations, you'll have several smelteries for each that have their own stations, and then each component's factory has a station that calls for train loads of each of its materials and an output station for its products.

You'll still have a smaller main bus for all of the smaller crafts and science and stuff, but your main huge scale material production will be in isolated factories connected by trains.

>>723906003
>>723906927
so the trains are just your main bus then :)

I'm just not smart enough for factorio. It expects way too much of me. I like riftbreaker and dyson sphere program more. They're both convoluted for their own reasons but palatable to me.

The best of intentions of a tidy bus gang aft agley.

>>723908214
Bro, your elevated rail?

Have you ever been checked by some friend or family member or any passer as you're playing this and they started gawking and shit?

>>723908214
every main bus I do looks like this and I'd rather have spaghetti

>>723908385
I did that rail before I got elevated rails and by now what's the point. if I get hit by a train I get hit by a train. Noone lives forever.

but what direction should your main bus go? I've always been a left to right bus kind of person

I don't feel "too retarded" for it but at some point, after you just accomplished mass production of a certain pack, you realize the next one has like ten times more complexity and requires a factory at least 4x bigger including expansion to more resource nodes, not to mention a lot of waiting as you unlock the next technologies, and you just go "nah". It's just too overwhelming. And this happens right around the unlock of oil.

Then people say "haha you got filtered by oil" and no I did not get filtered by oil I managed to mass produce everything oil related quickly it is no different from normal resources. I got filtered by valuing my time and not wanting to deal with what feels like a job.

>>723908862
If the iron spawns to my left it goes left to right. If the iron spawns to the right it goes right to left. Because, like, the starting point is how you orient yourself or something.

>>723908862
There's just something that would permanently fuck me up if a bus went from right to left or top to down.

>>723895406
npc

>>723908862
Diagonal left to right, top to bottom.

>>723908897
mucho texto

>>723879120 (OP)
>here's how to craft
>here's how you make part of your factory
>here's half of a larger factory, just guess the missing bits we half filled in
>you will probably need another factory to build those bits, figure that out yourself I guess
I got filtered by the tutorial twice, never played further

>>723909560
Don't bother with the tutorial it overcomplicates things, all you need to know is how to craft and place shit on the ground, everything else you can figure out on the run

>>723909560
tutorial is not that good, you'll learn more by playing the game normally
honestly they should just remove it and instead have a "recommended for new players" preset that makes the game easier to take at your own pace

>>723909187
Stay on brickedbraintok.
Never come back here, nigger.
Our retard platoons are FULL.
Go game your little chinky phone games.

>>723879542
goddamn uncanny valley, like looking at the details in a ai painting

>>723908392
why would there be a passerby inside my apartment bedroom?

>>723911359
no like generally some family member or friend is over and you're playing and they see the machines and such

>>723886984
well, that's dumb, a pipe can't have more than 1 liquid at the time. Really should be just capacity

>>723911436
Nobody sees the machines but I.

>>723908392
There's a couple of friends I talk to about my factory sometimes. They play plenty of non-normie stuff but no one I know would ever play factorio.
So I get the friendly oh he's telling me about his big ass 100s of hours factory again stare.

>>723911593
Damn
>>723911759
that's nice

>>723899821
I built a separate drone logistics network from my main drones that delivers materials for my walls and turrets so they just rebuild the very few pieces that get broken and turrets stay stocked. Could be done with belts, but you still need drones to repair those walls. Ezpz stuff and then make sure to pipe in some oil for flamethrowers. Flamethrowers will save you for a long long time before you start taking bugs out at long range.

>>723892782
The Farmer Was Replaced

>>723879120 (OP)
This is one of those games that's fun once, maybe twice.

>>723912161
everyone who likes it has tons of hours in em and still going, unless you don't want to count these hours because it becomes less of a fun thing and more like that state between enjoyment and just getting shit done for the sake of it and the challenge

>>723882459
Instead?
Absolutely not.
As extra or to diversify?
Sure.
Playing Satisfactory after experiencing vanilla Factorio was cool but I constantly compared both and Factorio was always better (e.g. Trains, Blueprints)

>>723892782
No, you little faggot, it won't, because you're a faggot. So why don't you start programming now, you little faggot?

>>723912285
I played the game an alright amount. I beat vanilla and nearly beat K2. I got back into the game for Space Age but even playing through new content, after having beat it once, you kinda knew the best way to build things and there was no "discovery" anymore. Also didn't care for the quality mechanic though I never really interacted with it, it just seemed tedious for the sake of it. Guess it was just time to move on.

>>723912664
can you still do fun shit with the drones and trains?

>>723912462
The worst thing about satisfactory and other 3d building games is the ability to zoom out when you're placing shit so it's hard to get stuff lined up and neat. Sure in factorio it's all about spaghetti but stuff is still nice and symmetrical.

>>723911564
A pipe may not be able to have more than 1 fluid in it at a time but that doesn't stop more than 1 fluid being passed through the same pipe overtime. You can set up an effective single pipe output for oil refineries and filter heavy, light, and petroleum with pumps and circuit logic.

>>723909054
That's a cute insult you've stolen there. Guess you need to resort to it since you guys only have "chud" and "incel".

>>723879120 (OP)
dont let the bugs win, anon. these are you're planets now and nobody can stop you but yourself.

>>723879542
hi doc

>>723912664
Quality is amazing. The benefits for space platforms alone make it worthwhile. Extra arms for asteroid collectors is HUGE.

>biters: disabled
>cliffs: disabled
>water: disabled
>moisture: disabled
>resources: rail world
yep, it's gaymin time

I fucking love factorio

>>723879120 (OP)
i don't understand the appeal

you just realize it's boring as hell

>>723915295
Needs to be a wall of biter nests with a bunch of resource deposits at the end.

>>723914195
It's a nice bonus but isn't strictly necessary. Putting t1 grabbers on the side of the ship instead of the front bypasses the lowered throughput by just allowing more to be placed. I did the shattered planet ending with no quality without issue.

fucking jackpot

>>723915259
>>water: disabled
And how do you deal with no power early?
>Inb4 "I didn't disable the starting pond"

>>723908392
I had a welfare check called on me because I forgot to charge my phone because of this game.

>>723879120 (OP)
I beat this game a single time with a friend. It almost cost us our friendship because of a major disagreement on how to proceed with resource transportation management. He wanted to pump endless flying bot networks that would carry loads across a mega factory. I wanted to further segregate production into smaller factories, using programmed train systems. I ended up playing several hours solo on the save just to setup a larger demo as to why we should use the trains more, he caved out of complacency, and we played off that until the end.

10/10 will play next year

>>723917170
you didnt beat the game

>>723887082
>what exactly is the point of this game?
launch rocket