Thread 723886405

Spectres will be great again.

minionfags
lmao

>>723886405 (OP)
>Minion cucks complaining that their no brained afk farmer does 101gorilion dps now instead of 102gorilion.
It's all so tiresome..

>Ritual corpses can be brought back like other spectres
Well, at least there's finally a reason now to trade for the corpses.

Energy Blade WILL be buffed, check this 8

>>723886567
Witches are great

dont tell em about the nerfs coming

>>723886405 (OP)
Why the fuck would anyone play POE 1 when POE 2 is available? I have nothing against Poe 1but it's literally a game that's been around for over 13 years and is falling apart. The developers simply didn't plan for the game to become so big

>>723886405 (OP)
Is this and its sequel worth playing? The last ARPG I really remember going all in on was Marvel Heroes with a few thousand hours in the past, and this game suddenly popped on my radar and supposedly the devs want players to swap between games during seasons or something and that's why stash tabs and such carry over between games?

My other option is to buy Last Epoch & D4 + Expansion when Steam sale hits in about a week, but I heard something about a "stash tab sale" coming up on the 23rd for PoE and was interested in that too.

>>723886405 (OP)
Now that baldy is out, they instantly churn out all the QoL that was deliberately missing from the game, curious. Are they just gonna rip off Last Epoch as well?

i will still flicker it's comfy playing flicker with a controller

>>723890416
Because 2 feels less fun than 1.

>>723890416
because poe1 is good today while even poe2 fans are mostly just saying "don't worry guys the game will be good eventually"

>>723890625
Wait until they release Poe 2 and it become free. Poe 1 was a great game about a decade ago but not now. Especially for new players, they designed the game around people who treat it like a job. Poe 2 works in reverse and shows promise.
>>723890941
>>723891026
Poe 1 wasn't fun for years.

>>723890625
I would strongly recommend poe1 over last epoch

>still burnt out of PoE1 after a year of taking a break
>new league looks like more of the same
>faggots on /v/ still chirping about specters as if GGG will ever get them right; meanwhile I've played literally every archetype in the game and the game play is still the same forced setup shit between all of them
>PoE2 feels like garbage molasses in addition to the forced setup shit every time I play it
>checked out again during the interlude acts anyway, sorc is absolute shit with the new mechanics
>see people posting insane gear with the new crafting currency and I'm just too bored to even list my shit even with the new async trading
>probably going to skip the league announcement when it's live since twitch can fuck off and the pet drop looks terrible
I miss the BFR.

>>723891543
>faggots on /v/ still chirping about specters as if GGG will ever get them right
they literally are getting them right, instead of dying and dropping a corpse now they just turn into a ghost and respawn when you change areas

>>723891026
PoE2 is a good top-down shooter.

>>723891647
>a minor QoL for retards but no actual gameplay improvement or innovation
that's nice sweetie

>>723891770
what exactly does getting spectres right look like in your mind

More chaos spells when?

>>723886405 (OP)
Rancid trashfire of a game.
>minionfags
Brainless shit-eaters.

>>723891291
PoE 1 > D4 > Last Epoch > PoE 2. Obviously might change in the future, but PoE 2 is still many years away from being fully released most likely.

>>723890416
>and is falling apart.
citation needed
>The developers simply didn't plan for the game to become so big
I think Chris getting a bag of money from Tencent means he did plan for that.

>>723891110
>Poe 1 wasn't fun for years.
Expedition to Kalandra was just 2 years out of 10+. It was fun again for most of the playerbase after that. Affliction league revitalized the game and that was 2 years ago now

>>723891820
1. an actual minion UI where you can just equip/augment itemized specters in an inventory screen
2. new ways to augment your specters/minions beyond just minion damage scaling and having 20 of them shooting 6 projectiles each while you're an aurabot for them
3. a reliable way to see specter abilities outside of using poedb

>>723891770
things like wretched defilers are stupidly strong. They don't need more help.

>>723892879
>give one specific skill gem extremely special treatment with additional UI and new ways of scaling
>again, this is for ONE skill gem
are you retarded?

>>723892869
>>723891110
The last "fun"/somewhat good league was Ritual. After that it all went to shit (implying it was not like that since 3.0).

>>723892879
guy who has "played literally every archetype in the game" confused about why spectres aren't given super special unique treatment for no reason

>>723893024
>ONE skill gem
>"an actual minion UI" is for specters only
My bad, didn't realize you're a first-order thinker.

>>723893251
if you actually played PoE, you'd realize GGG already does this for specters every time Ghazzy DMs Johnathan directly.

>>723892857
>citation needed
I don't know how but Poe 1 works worse than Poe 2
>I think Chris getting a bag of money from Tencent
It was years after the game's release. Initially Poe 1 was just a fairly small game that was released unfinished and needed updates.
>>723892869
The difference between good and bad leagues for the average modern poe 1 player is whether they can complete all endgame in a week. Seriously, people are getting really frustrated every time their build requires them to actually play the game instead of just pressing one button.

>>723886405 (OP)
Why are they intentionally killing POE2 by updating this old shit still? I dont want to play the POE1 campaign again. I can't. It was fun a few times but it just feels like a slog now.

I had more fun playing the single Act of Titan Quest 2 then I did the entirety of PoE2.

PoE2 least started pretty good but by the time I started moving around Act 3 the game fucking sucked horse cock.

>>723893407
retard

>>723893390
It's just old recycled content and Poe 2 stuff. Poe 1 will no longer receive any major unique updates, they sent almost everyone to work on Poe 2

>>723893390
they know where the money comes from

>>723890797
I kinda wish you could do good flicker builds without having to be crit focused.

>>723893407
that's nice, i thought titan quest 2 was garbage in it's current form and would rather just play the original

>>723893026
As fun as Ritual was I really don’t miss the old Atlas system.
>32 Watchstones
Nah fuck going back to that shit.

>>723893580
30% of the flicker builds on poe.ninja literally cannot crit

>>723893584
That's fair.

>>723893026
Nah, it was Delve.

>>723891543
Same except I actually like PoE2.

What killed PoE1 for me was realizing that leagues don't matter. If you want to farm the league mechanic, you just map. Any dedicated farm generally shits on normal mapping. Endgame mapping? With T17s you're farming the boss drops and not the league mechanics too. It literally doesn't matter to me what the league is, all my currency comes from other things anyway.

At least in PoE2 leagues still matter.

>>723893659
I miss the OLD Atlas where there were no watchstones, and you did not need to grind Atlas and shards for 5th slot. And there was none of that retarded atlas passive tree either. They nerfed to shit every league mechanic and then made "atlas tree" that is not even 10th of what old stuff was.
>>723893872
I fucking hate delve, because they could make it better, but instead its more of the same.

>>723894054
>not even 10th of what old stuff was.
you either didn't play the game back then or have on 3 inch thick rose-tinted glasses. not to mention most of the mechanics didn't even exist back then so your farm was shit like perandus and tempest.

>>723892676
OK Salt Bae

>>723894771
>not to mention most of the mechanics didn't even exist back then
Indeed, most of the cancer did not.
>he thinks grinding atlas three times and having a 5th slot is something good
Lol, lmao even.

>>723893580
>I kinda wish you could do good flicker builds without having to be crit focused.
What's wrong with crit? Jewels are too pricey or something?

>>723895279
thats not how the atlas works, and there are 6 slots in the map device not 5.
the 5th slot was added back in legion league.

>>723895279
>grinding atlas three times
wat

Outdated, but still relevant.

>>723896601
they removed half of this list like two days ago

>>723896780
>like two days ago
>two days ago
At the very least 4 years too late.

>>723886405 (OP)
everyone will play them and copy Ghazzy and minion everything will be expensive as shit again, like last minion rework

>>723896865
you've been playing a game you don't like for 4 years?

>>723890416
PoE 2 sucks fat cocks and the only good thing about it is I can kick back with a controller but it's STILL lightyears behind D4 in that regard and can't even switch on the fly like a real game
LMAO

>>723896601
doesn't really hit the same

Skipping this league to play more rimworld and diablo2.
This might be the first league I skip, outside of when they just ran that recent league twice, since warbands and act4 was put out.

>>723896865
And the other half of the list was already removed

WASD Fucking WHEN

>>723897139
>>723896601
What are these labs the pic mentions?

>>723897269
the lord's labyrinth

>>723897161
>11430$
>on a f2p game
Absolute LOL. Atleast tell me you got a few mirror drops.

>usually have like 10+ builds ready to go for league start
>haven't even made one yet
Is est over fur mich?

>>723897195
Bullshit, and you know it.

>>723897430
yeah bro it's going to be such a pain doing delve for bench recipes and buying lab trials in 3.27

I have "following a build" fatigue

>>723897310
Ah, right, makes sense. But also how can you get the trial plaques from global chat?

>>723897139
Indeed, it doesnt. Just skip all of the content and grind atlas over and over and over. Maybe run some "juiced" "favoured" maps, meaning you run the same map 1000 times and just cross your fingers for good drops, because nothing gets your heart going like a zing sound from filter.
Great fucking game.

>>723897590
there are 6 different lab trials that can spawn randomly in maps, you used to have to do all 6 of them to unlock the last labyrinth and finish your ascendancy. it was a massive pain in the ass and people would join each other's maps to get the trials they needed

>>723897430
The other guy literally took the time to strike everything that's no longer a thing. Are you dense?

GGG has no idea how to do leagues unlike diablo devs. Diablo always gives you transmogs and weapons, in POE you just lose your life, again, for free.

>>723897343
That's actually my friend's. I've (only) spent like 1300.
My friend group has at least 80k hours between us. None of us have had a mirror drop.
I got a mirror shard drop from harby when I abused the good watchstone, and i got 2 from settlers, multiple hinekoras locks, magebloods, and reflecting mists, no raw mirror though.

>>723897662
>there are 6 different lab trials that can spawn randomly in maps
Oh shit, they're random? I never knew that, guess I got super lucky with getting them all blind.

>>723897590
Someone finds a trial in the map. They announce it, you ping them, they invite you, you go to them and run it in their map. Bang, you got the plaque and can do uber lab (assuming you have the offering).

Back in the day you needed all 6 trials to unlock uber lab. Now its just one - any will do.

I'll just go on Blight maps again. That's still a pretty fun time waster league.

>>723897613
>this game sucks because you have to do so much setup
>...
>uhhh actually this game sucks because you don't have to do much setup

>>723897783
jfc dude kill yourself

>>723897674
Are you? All of it is still in the game (atleast it was when i started playing current league).

>>723897798
i think at one point they made it so you were more likely to get trials you hadn't finished before they just deleted the requirement

>>723897783
Whales. Not even once (unless you are the one making oil from them).

>>723897884
lol this retard was buying lab trials from global chat this league

>>723897783
i appreciate your contributions as i will never spend a dime on these games but i do want them to continue to develop and entertain me

>>723897815
Heist is my comfort league.

>>723898076
>>723898186
We stopped whaling once tencent gained over 50% stake.
It's been 90%for a while and 100% for over a year now.
Most of the OGs are gone now.

>>723897836
It appears you have a case of lack of comprehension.
Game sucks because in order to experience it not even in full you need to do a lot of setup. And if you want to experience it in full you need to treat it as if it is your main source of income.
Obviously, vast majority of people who are not NEETs or dedicated PoE streamers will not do that, so they skip as much of it as possible, which means they will be stuck on doing atlas, or the most boring/plain mechanics that require only minimum investment. However, in order to get even a minimum of satisfaction from that, maps have to be done in statistically significant numbers - 1000s, and that consumes a lot of time.
Both ways of engagement suck. Both consume autistic-level of time investment. Both are bad.
And then there is you, a fucking retard, who thinks both statements cannot be true, so he posts one of the most idiotic reation images as if it is an ultimate "got you". The irony of your post and the image attached to it is lost on you.

>>723898164
>buying lab trials
Anon, are you projecting or pulling a strawman?

>>723898578
>game sucks because you have to play it
cool wall of seethe though bro

>>723898475
>OGs
Well, those involved in gameplay department can go to hell and stay there.

>>723893762
I am really curios about this then, would you mind showing a good example?

>>723898653
>Get Lab Trials from global chat (lul)
>All of it is still in the game (atleast it was when i started playing current league)
I can't wait to see you try to reconcile these two statements

>>723898692
Dont care, retard. Learn to read then.

>>723886405 (OP)
Reminder that Diablo 3 solved the leveling issue in 2014, there is literally no reason why you need to constantly redo the same acts in a campaign to experience the endgame that you've done 100 times.

>>723898778
So you are saying that you dont need to run atleast 1 of lab trials in the maps to get an offering and unlock uber lab. Is that right?

>>723898820
when was the last time you actually played path of exile? almost all the shit you are seething about hasn't been relevant for half a decade.

>>723898926
who exactly do you think is going to be convinced by this retard. you and i both know exactly what's wrong with your retarded post

>>723898757
https://poe.ninja/builds/mercenaries/character/humaktson-6135/CATW_Flicker?timemachine=week-1&i=3&search=timemachine%3Dweek-1%26skills%3DFlicker%2BStrike%26keystones%3DResolute%2BTechnique

>>723898983
3 month ago. Literally all of that shit is still in the game (they did delete Phrophecies), AND they piled in more crap in there. Atleast Atlas is relatively straightforward, but still a grindy shit.

>>723895295
I am just not that good at making builds and crit builds seem to demand heavy respeccing when you are a high level. Which is kinda costly in gold just to experiment if its good or not with my current build.

>>723899029
Anon, are you trying to gaslight me? Because you are trying to gaslight me.

>>723899226
>the game is bad because you have to set things up
>umm actually the game is bad because you don't have to set things up
>ummmmm actually the game is bad because you CAN set things up if you want AND it's bad because you don't HAVE to set things up

What's a non-minion build that clutters the entire screen with visual effects? I want my friends to be entirely blind to ground hazards.

>>723899373
It appears that your brain broke. Then again, what can i expect out of a retard.

>>723899482
kb of clustering with sacred wisps covers the whole screen with flashing lights the moment you press the attack button

>>723899167
I'm such a fucking retard, I thought we were talking about POE 2. Thank you anyway anon.

>>723899482
>>723899552
Epilepsy Inducer: the build.

>>723899482
Cast on crit.

>poe2
I think the two retards i was arguing with thought i was makign points about poe2, not poe1. What a bunch of muppets.

>>723886405 (OP)
QRD?

>>723899757
they respawn now

>>723897783
>>723897161

it's crazy how they have no incentive to actually produce a fun game because no matter what there are a million redditors who spend a 1000$ every league buying dumb MTX no matter the quality of the game.

Its actually worse than something like star citizen, because PoE 1 and 2 could actually be really fun with people who didn't hate their customers in charge of it.

>>723899835
Who?

>>723899226
the game has never been easier or more streamlined.
by the time you get to red maps you have unlocked enough atlas passive points to spec any mechanics you want, so you have an endless supply of easily accessible content. and scarabs drop constantly so juicing the content you want to run is simple.
they even added a town that lets you send out boats every few hours for free currency and items.
don't want to map? run delve, you can spawn sulphite in every map so it only takes 1 map to refuel.
like heist? takes an hour to set up everything so you can blast max level contracts and blueprints. and in a weeks time you won't even need to level up your heist crew so it's even faster.

>>723899998
no, who's on first

>>723900072
???

I miss the atlas idols from the event league. It was a lot more interesting than dumping atlas points into a cookie cutter tree.

>>723900238
I fucking hated them and will seethe beyond measure if they're ever put into the core game

If only I weren't committed to playing Maplestory right now...

>>723900238
I miss leaguestones. Legacy league was the last good league. Everything after it was and is slop, with one exception. They did that Legacy of Phrecia event - that was good stuff, i dols are from it too.

>>723900390
>I miss leaguestones
Scarabs are basically the same

Dunno about you guys but I just play grim dawn

>>723900390
Based. Legacy was great and I loved how it got extended over and over. I've quit Poop 1 years and years ago, I'm amazed people still play that bloated shitheap of a joke. Metamorph was decent as it filtered most players, even the """good""" streamers cried. But game is mega easy meme for mazed addicts.

>>723900371
Maplestory died when they implemented the 5% damage requirement on bosses. Now it really is Solostory, no partying allowed whatsoever.

>>723900529
>i cant believe people still play this game, it has too much content
i will never understand this opinion

>>723899482
Inquisitor Energy Blade Cast on Crit Lancing Steel of Spraying Blazing Salvo with Return Projectile
Reach 100% crit and 52% CDR for maximum eye(and framerate) rape

>>723900474
Scarabs are map-only. Also one-time use, and good ones are rare.

>>723900637
It has too much worthless, meaningless, unfun content. Its the same shit with ubisoft open world games, there's a lot to "do", but what there is to be done isn't fun or engaging even if there is a lot of it.

>>723895295
its boring and done to death

>>723900845
all of the content in the game uses the same basic mechanics so you're really just saying the core game is unfun. which is fine I guess but why even care about the game at all

>>723900637
Yes, modern video game faggots like you, and video game designers are very quantity > quality. Hence mobile games, and the notorious and common attitude of "the more hours I get, the better of a 'deal' I got for my money!". Anything, everything, and everybody that has been bought out by Tencent has lost their soul. Check everybody they've bought out and it's just a decline. Riot, GGG, Fathshark, to name three great examples.
>>723900845
And it's always massively unpolished, broken, buggy, and every fucking time, they have to spend that same league trying to fix it, which of course, naturally, eats into development for the next league. It never ends, it's a vicious cycle. They can never just stop and fix the game, improve the massive volume of pre-existing, unpolished assets. Just add more, more, more, more. Build up that ugly jenga tower! People (even casuals) exhaust the game in ~14 days and then cry for more. More! I want to hit maps INSTANTLY! No, wait, red maps instantly! More ubers. Need more uber-ubers. Wait, uber-uber-ubers as uber-uber isn't enough!

Brain. Rot.

>>723900567
>OH NO, I CAN'T GET CARRY INTO FREE ARCANE ANYMORE`

>>723900808
>good ones are rare.
And I made good money selling them

>>723901056
>why are they adding new gameplay mechanics when they could be making the graphics better instead
lol

>>723901149
>the only content poe has is graphics

>>723901206
>They can never just stop and fix the game, improve the massive volume of pre-existing, unpolished assets

>>723901145
Good for you, but i play ssf.

>>723899482
CoC+whatever

>>723901239
Just a reminder that Atziri's Steps (boots from Atziri) still have no unique 3d model.

>>723901362
you might legitimately be the only person on the entire planet who cares but alright

>>723901056
10c also bought Funcom. Conan Exiles went to shit.

>>723901239
the game is 14 years old, remodeling like 10 years worth of assets would be a retarded waste of time.

>>723901056
>People (even casuals) exhaust the game in ~14 days and then cry for more. More! I want to hit maps INSTANTLY! No, wait, red maps instantly! More ubers. Need more uber-ubers. Wait, uber-uber-ubers as uber-uber isn't enough!
And so what started in Everquest continues on and on and on. The Ride never ends.

>>723901453
I also care that they deleted Prophecy, and fated items. I miss The Tempest bow, shit as it was i had good times with it.

>>723900637
its usually mouth breathers who have spent thousands, if not tens of thousands of hours on poe, seen everything and tired of rerunning it all in new leagues.

If you dont waste your time restarting the game every x months but instead take years long brakes with leagues only rarely, poe is a great experience. there is so much new content to explore when you return from hiatus. I came back when last time Uber Atziri was the be all end all and had a great time working through the entire pinnacle boss cycles all the way to T17 and then the ubers. Except Sirus. Genuinely shit boss only worth only doing twice. One for regular, the other for its roided up bullshit

>>723901067
Yes, that's exactly it.
We used to be able to use the power of friendship to accelerate progression and have additional fun. Now we have neither friendship nor fun, just grinding alone forever.

>>723901674
>fated items
some of them got rolled into base. Long been a fan of dancing dervish. It used to have base version of one sword and the prophecy one giving two. now default version gives two

>>723902095
While some did get rolled into base, those new base ones are neither here nor there. I think they got rid of that league and mechanic because they did not like that players had an easy access to 5L and 6Ls via prophecies.

>>723902304
6linking was already pretty trivial when they removed it. they removed prophecy because it was actual bloat, unlike most of the stuff people whine about

>>723902493
Like, how was it a bloat? Seriously. How was it a bloat? You see that niggress once, you get some silver coins dropped from time to time, you trade coins for prophecies from her in hub or hideout. Thats it. Now compare it to shit like... pretty much anything - Alva, tormented ghosts, breach, etc. How is it bloat? Please explain.

>>723890416
poe 2 doesn't have an endgame yet

>>723902873
because it was almost completely pointless just as you described? you would pick up the coins and then occasionally trash dozens of useless filler prophecies while fishing for the one you wanted. it had no reason to exist.

>>723902873
nta but it was a pretty shit tier mechanic, most of it was weird busy work quests for subpar reward.
kill x boss in the campaign for some basic currency, spawn a pack of devourers in a map, turn a levelling unique into a slightly less shit levelling unique.
you can complain about other mechanics but prophecy was just a 'why is this even in the game?' mechanic.

>>723899482
you can spawn screen-wide among us with consecrated path
(It actually covers the whole screenwith the full combo)

>>723903278
>>723903049
So instead if cutting the bloat out of the mechanic, they just cut it all out wholesale? And you think this is good.
>weird busy work quests for subpar reward
>'why is this even in the game
Same can be said about so many of other league mechanics. And yet they stay in the game.

>>723903546
most league mechanics have some actual gameplay associated with them

>>723886405 (OP)
> ever allowing minions to be good again
KEK
dont let Jonatroon see this, shill, or he will use your mouth as the tub

Reminder that GGG won't add unique or set items that are useful to the game because people would use them, and for some reason that is bad so every unique you find is useless with a terrible game ruining downside and you sell it to the vendor.

>>723903752
pretty sure poe actually does have some pretty useful unique items

>>723890416
Because 2 is less interesting. The movement of 2 is way worse, with the forced dodge roll pretty much highlighting the cucked nature of that game. It also has less interesting itemization, less interesting skill tree, worse Atlas tree, worse endgame bosses, worse general gameplay (endgame mapping), etc.

Tencent shill thread

>>723901991
>if you barely play the game that is heavily built around playing it massively, you won't feel the bloat as you'll be ignorant!
Damn....great post.

What is the Templar suppose to play as? I feel like everyone has a clear enough style but him.

>>723904142
>the game that is heavily built around playing it massively
>is bloated by too much content
just lol

>>723903672
So did prophecies. Sure, it was minimal, but it was not getting in the way, unlike all others. And it was cut, while others did not. Worse yet, even though content from them comes back, it has no meaningful use - look at talismans and inability to upgrade them into higher tiers like in Talisman league. Tormented ghosts have even worse AI than at launch, and only exist for... what purpose exactly? And yet that mechanic got a whole slew of passives on Atlas tree. And so it is with a lot of mechanics. All can be deleted and their uniques moved into generic pool of items.
So no, bloat is not an explanation for its deletion.

>>723904146
He's called manaman for a reason. Inquisitor allows you to apply your weapon damage to spells. Hierophant allows mana scaling. Guardian also allows some mana scaling, but more focused on buffing others.

>>723904171
talismans are in the game because chris liked them and tormented ghosts despite being so simple still have more gameplay associated with them than prophecy did. i want you to know that it's genuinely hilarious how you're seething about prophecy being removed of all things

>>723904146
mana stacker, elemental damage, spell totems, auracucking

>>723904171
it just wasn't a good mechanic so they removed it, not the first mechanic they removed.
there wasn't any gameplay associated it and most of the rewards were shit, the few prophecies that were useful got rolled into the base game.

chat history in poe1 when
both /v/ and /vg/ have too many unironic schizos who have been mindbroken by the game and the ingame chat system sucks dick for keeping up

>>723904870
the game actually does have a text file where it keeps a log of your chat messages but I don't know how far back it goes

>>723904401
>seething
Learn some synonyms. Also, learn to differentiate when someone is "seething" and having a genuine inquiry.
As for the post of yours
>talismans remain because Chris liked them
So its down to what dev's pet fetish. If Chris doesnt like, say, scarabs, they will delete them entirely from the game? Or was it Jonathan now? If a fancy strikes them and they decide that Alva and only Alva remains, they will delete the rest of the content and give some bullshit explanation?
Anon, its one thing to say that "devs did not like it so they deleted it for whatever reason" and another thing entirely to convince some anon that "no it was bloat so it had to be deleted because... it was bloat".
And so anon i want you to know that it is genuinely hilarious that you are defending retard-tier developers and acting like a cuckold.

>>723905064
lil bro aint beating the seethe allegations

>>723886635
>minions
>damage
lmao what, minions haven't been good ever since GGG seethed about slave drivers, and this is coming from an autistic melee only guy.

>>723902873
there was like 2 good prophecies in total. i mean i would argue that they couldve just reworked it because i think the concept was cool but it was genuinely a mechanic that barely had any use.

>>723905125
Ok. Please state the definition of the word "seethe".

>>723905405
i looked it up in the dictionary and it was just a link to this post >>723905064

>>723896601
>NOOO I SHOULD LOGIN AND THE GAME SHOULD ALREADY BE FINISHED
what causes this autism
The fresh progression each league is the best part

>>723903954
Just say that Poe 2 is too hard for you because you actually have to play the game instead of just pressing one button.
Seeing all these idiots quitting because they couldn't kill campaign boss in 0.2 was fucking hilarious

>>723904146
>Hierophant
Pretty versatile but mana stacking is the obvious archetype due to the defensive layer node.
>Templar
Obviously any elemental crit build works with this one. Encourages es & life builds to utilize the strong regen node. Like two years ago they added that battlemage 4 point node that gives you bunch of cast speed if you attack, but I've yet to see a good build using this, and it's hard to compete with regen and damage nodes.
>Guardian
Classic support class, but for the past year or so it has also been a decent league starter class since you get bunch of free damage from the relics.

>>723896601
>Pantheons
only have to do once a league, can search bar on atlas for the mtoo
>lab trials
only have to do once
>trials from global chat for uber
removed, don't have to do this anymore
>finish labs
so? you're playing the game retard, ascending feels good
>level delve res
don't have to do that, and it automatically drills pretty far down, around lvl 81 or so
>set up syndicate
no longer resets so it's much easier now, good to farm too
>set up Atals
yeah it's called playing the game
>set up Atlas to farm awakened atlas
simplified/removed
>Set up Atlas passive tree
you get 3 of them and yeah, it's called playing the game retard
>splinter autism
fixed
>Heist
fixed
>Alva
???

i'm just glad mercanaries will eventually go core even if not in this league

>>723905461
The problem is if you don't dedicate 16 hours of intense nonstop playing on the first day a league drops plus 8 hours a day for the following week, then (((inflation))) will hit like a brick wall instantly and everything you need to make your build somewhat functional will be priced out of your range and what you're left with are the exact same cookie cutter "starter" builds that you have been playing for over a decade now.

>>723906070
inflation literally only matters in poe if you're farming raw currency drops which is like the worst possible way to make money. people want to get to endgame quickly specifically because a lot of endgame items lose value over time

>>723905064
no one interacted with prophecy so they removed the mechanic, the few useful things got added to other mechanics or world drops. perandus was like prophecy, just coin slop with no real benefit so they removed it from the game.
talisman were basically just a new set of implicits for amulets. no one used the amulets so those implicits eventually ended up as a beastcraft.

just so you guys know the reason why half of this thread is so shit is because someone linked the thread in /poeg/
>>>/vg/543650090
teehee oopsie enjoy our schizos whose only goal in life is to spam about PoE being dead and bad and how it's going to die to
>diablo 4-
>last epo-
>lost ar-
>torchlight infin-
>path of exile 2
ANY DAY NOW

>>723906857
pretty sure all those posts are literally one dude

>>723906359
>no one interacted with prophecy so they removed the mechanic
>just coin slop with no real benefit
Not true and you know it.

>>723903752
good. set items are absolutely shit that always either default to being gimmick or bis cookie cutters. There are so many unique item combinations you can do in this game that dramatically change character builds even with similar skill trees

>>723890416
poe2 is even worse than d4. poe1 is peak kino

>>723906070
You're conveniently leaving out the fact that good gear gets cheap as fuck because all of the autists are pawning off their starter gear. You are actually buttmad that the poopsockers are playing the game FOR you, farming gear FOR you, and giving it to you for CHEAP.
What you are really upset about is that you can't keep up with the poopsockers. Well tough luck, get unemployed and get autism, until then enjoy the free gear.

>>723906857
/poeg/ are all doomers that hate the game though, you see more positive sentiment on the game on /v/ then you do /vg/

>>723890416
>Why the fuck would anyone play POE 1 when POE 2 is available?
Technically PoE 1 still has way more content in it. PoE 2 isn't going to make PoE 1 redundant until they've made 2.0 versions of pretty much every PoE 1 League mechanic.

>>723904146
Guardian is a default template for Aurabots. Other then that its tree position and surrounding nodes show its expected to be mostly elemental spell caster with heavy block

>>723897783
I guess you didn't play 3.23
snagged 5 raw mirror drops that league, 2 being duplicated from shrine mods

>>723886405 (OP)
is it finally time? might pick it up if it's necroleague

>>723906857
Not surprised in the least. They have a terminal case of a stockholm syndrome. I am fairly certain that i've been having an argument with one and same schizo.

>>723907176
i think you should reread that post

>>723903954
>Because 2 is less interesting
Wrong they are both shit
>The movement of 2 is way worse,

Just say you are poor ruski, you are a poor miserable creature. You are garbage

>>723905064
>If Chris doesnt like, say, scarabs, they will delete them entirely from the game? Or was it Jonathan now? If a fancy strikes them and they decide that Alva and only Alva remains, they will delete the rest of the content and give some bullshit explanation?
well...yeah? They are/were the lead developers after all and its their final word that decides what stays and what gets scrapped

Did you have a little shy chubby for that silver coin hogging gypsy? Why is this such a big deal? most special uniques you could get from them are still attainable in base

>>723907176
/poeg/ is fantastic near or around league start, and then slowly tumbles down into shit as people start leaving/only using the ingame chat.
I'm fine with that honestly, just wish the ingame chat blew less ass and wasn't so vulnerable to GGG jannies.

>>723907215
PoE2 reminds me strongly of what PoE1 open beta was. Its pretty much a rerun of it. Not worth touching it until it reaches 1.0 maturity

>>723906857
Of all the games, both dead and alive, that I've participated in generals for, I have never seen something as consistently or as intensely horrible as the PoE general.
I legitimately want to ask them what the fuck? What do they want? What are their hopes, if any? What do they like about the game so much? Why are they still around if they don't? But I know I'd never get a straight answer once people are that far gone.

>>723907905
Its just a bunch of schizos who doompost that the game is definitely going to die next League, then have like 80k hours on the game. Every new League release day the Doomposters get awfully quiet for the next 24 hours.

>>723907215
>more content
It doesn't really help, considering that the game is overall worse and most of the content is just awful.
Not to mention that you'll finish the atlas in Poe 1 faster than you'll complete the campaign in Poe 2

>>723907905
>I legitimately want to ask them what the fuck? What do they want?
I guess the same crowd that shits up Poe reddit is also in that general then

>>723906070
Stop getting memed by shit starters and learn how to craft your own gear with Rog. Expedition will be even cheaper to run this league until a streamer starts shilling Tujen again.

Have they added 2 handed swords yet?

>>723907627
almost free 5linking was good, though

>>723908160
5linking is still almost free

>>723908082
Nah, PoE redditors are dad gamers who whine when they have to actually pay attention to what happens in the screen and when they can't craft themselves the perfect item in the first 15 minutes. Its a different crowd made of casuals who didn't put any points in Life in PoE 1, died average 2000 times every League just brute-forcing content.

>>723908108
PoE1 has had 2 handed swords for over a decade

>>723907803
/poeg/ starts being usable for non-schizos on the day of the league content reveal (so starting tomorrow) until 2-3 weeks into a league depending on how fun it is. It’s been like that for years. I wouldn’t bother with the /poeg/ guild nowadays.

>>723905624
Lol, there is the cope. There's nothing hard about PoE2. I play PoE1 HC, sometimes trade, sometimes SSF. There's plenty of things I don't agree with the average PoE guy. For example, one of the best things about PoE2 was the one portal per map and boss. Instead, they decided to casualise even that concept, lmao. PoE2 is slower, that does not make it hard.

>>723907612
? What is causing this reaction? PoE2's slower nature lends itself better to low iq niggers of Europe, aka Russians. Are you projecting?

>>723910245
poe2 still has 1 portal maps if you want to run rare maps.

>>723910624
But they already changed it for bosses. They'll change it in time for release to apply to all maps. Doesn't really matter though, it only affects softcore, which is for low iq niggers. Same as with xp penalty removal they added to Poo1.

>>723910865
>they already changed it for bosses
for the tutorial versions. tier 3 pinnacle bosses are 1 portal.

>>723911018
And like I said, things like this will change in due time. GGG has explicitly stated that the target audience of Poo2 is new players. That includes dad gamers with three jobs and trillion kids, who cry on reddit because they lost X on dying, experience, map, etc. They've already shown that they are willing to bend with these things, and due to not having BFR in charge anymore, there is no more concrete vision. End result is slop for casuals, who think the existence of dodge roll equals hardcore gaming™.

>>723911470
pretty sure if the game was made for gamerdads it wouldn't take weeks to hit 100, and you wouldn't need to run 6mod 1 portal maps just to use 3 tablets. getting 50-60 move speed on your character wouldn't cost dozens of div either.
if poe2 is for gamerdads, who is poe1 for, braindead failed abortions?

>>723912064
Most people do not play these games at the high end. It's why everyone masturbates over PoE2's campaign. For many players, it is the highlight. They'll maybe do a few maps and they'll drop the game. Never hitting 100 doesn't matter to these people, nor does it really matter as much in PoE2, as the skill tree contains relatively lower amount of player power, compared to PoE1.

Additionally, slower movement speed suits these people just fine, because they are in love with "meaningful combat", which just means slower combat. It's why they cry about instant deaths, because they do not fundamentally understand what these games are, namely pseudo-autobattlers, where the actual gameplay is character building, creating your own build and then itemizing it under resource constraints. They think combat should be solved by the player's actions during the combat instance itself, not the choices that precede that combat.

>>723912064
I forgot to answer what PoE1 is for, if PoE2 is for gamerdads. PoE1 softcore is exactly what you described it as. Basically retards. I would classify these games in this ranking PoE1 HC > PoE2 HC > PoE2 SC > PoE1 SC.

>>723905624
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM4-ZAAVIOU
Its the exact thing this video has predicted. Tourists ride the hype train and are going to ruin the game because they can't handle it but GGG will cave to the sea of money the masses bring.

>>723912681
>They'll maybe do a few maps and they'll drop the game.
i feel like you would be better off saying the path of exile franchise instead of trying to act like poe2 is specifically made for casuals.
it is well known that poe1 is mostly played by casuals, ggg specifically design it for the casual audience, just look at 3.27, removing levels from your crew.
they've streamlined most mechanics for casuals, removed half of the waves from simulacrum, delve starts at depth 100, betrayal has been streamlined 3-4 times so far, etc, etc.
years ago chris even said poe1 leagues were designed with a week or two of content so people could finish up quickly and go play fortnite.

>>723913768
tourists aren't the problem, poe 1 players are the problem. almost everyone in that video has thousands of hours in poe 1, some of them have tens of thousands of hours /played.

i play both PoE 1 and 2.

>>723914012
I said PoE2 specifically, because GGG has explicitly stated that PoE2 is more targeted towards new players, which they no longer have to care about in regards to PoE1.

Also, GGG has streamlined a lot of stuff, but many of the things you mentioned are not for casuals even. Like halving Simulacrum waves was removing the filler shit you had to wait to get to the real waves. You still end up doing 100% delirius waves.

Lastly, these games are not designed for casuals, but most of the players are casuals. There's a difference. What the difference is between the games is GGGs priorization, and according to the devs themselves, PoE2 prioritizes new players more. This is evident when you look the skill tree and removal of life from it, for example, in an effort to prevent "failed" builds during campaign.

>>723912064
> who is poe1 for
right now? nolifers and rmt farmers
back in delirium? only the peakest of the peak
retards need not apply

Is jonathan still obviously seething that mark is a better game dev than he is?

>>723914890
yes

>>723913768
Poe 1 retards are a problem
>Nooo, why does my skill deal less damage than a basic attack!
>Read the skill description and try to combo it? Why would I do that in the second act?
These people simply don't want to play the game, notice that everyone is perfectly happy with Poe 1 every time the league is too easy and they start whining as soon as there is any difficulty.

>>723914523
>GGG has explicitly stated that PoE2 is more targeted towards new players
you conflate new players with bad players. poe 1 is 15 years old and it's pretty janky, new players aren't going to play it. they are a company, more players = more money, poe2 was them giving the series the new league treatment, invite everyone in and let them start on equal footing.

>>723886635
in 3.2 you literally couldn't even finish the campaign with the vast majority of minion builds. they are unbelievable dogshit

>>723915172
back to your containment thread, Jonatroon
nobody likes your shit game no matter how many bots you can buy
its still an inferior version of PoE1 and if you didnt have the name recognition of the original you wouldnt even get no rest for the wicked numbers

>>723915172
have you played poe2, despite jonathan desperately wanting you to use combos he also refuses to let anything deal more damage than anything else so combos are totally pointless

Johnatan just killed esscence farminh

>>723912681
>They think combat should be solved by the player's actions during the combat instance itself, not the choices that precede that combat.
So you're advocating by mechanic player skill being a non factor? How then, will the game be any different than a literal slot machine where you have zero input when you pull the lever/kill a boss for it to roll the 1% upgrade you're looking for and that's the only way to move forwards?

>>723916484
would you say this about a 4x or grand strategy game. there are more ways for players to express skill than twitch reflexes

>>723916484
Well when necropolis launched and allflames rolled on your map device people were using it like a slot machine, spam opening tier1 maps looking for the monsters have % to drop a divine orb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtpmFRarcxI
PoE2 is DEAD, long live PoE1!

ARPGs are only fun if you play the non-seasonal modes and just stick to 1 character and get bis. Just grind every season bro! Hell no.

I started poe2. I really like monk. This is also a really good controller game

>>723916484
Mechanics matter, but are not the sole thing. What retards advocate is for Souls-like treatment of games, where build doesn't ultimately matter. Build should matter and shitty builds should naturally get oneshotted. In other words, build should triumph over "skill", and no amount of skill should let you surpass a bad build. Of course, skill in these games is primarily expressed through the build. Like this: https://youtu.be/uMm6_K9DHWA?si=_JgHXeJEGIJuJKrW&t=2108 Where skill obviously matters, but it is only possible through having a sufficient build.

>>723918518
I hope they roll out seamless switching between controller and kb+m next patch. Inventory management and looting with a controller is ass

>>723916274
>those Breach themed inventory slots
(D2) Charmslop league?

>>723890416
Both garbage
Last Epoch and Diablo 3/4 also garbage
Chronicon, Titan Quest, Diablo 2, Van Helsing, garbage
All ARPG garbage
bad genre for retards

Anon from earlier that was thinking of getting into PoE 1&2, but if I buy this "supporter pack" for PoE 2, it'll work as well in PoE 1?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmFgw9glPts

It gives major Mortal Kombat vibes and the blood cape seems cool too to be honest.

>Spectres don't have to be manually rezzed, you can just go to Hideout and they autorevive
>The entire risk of Affliction corpses removed
Jesus Christ.

>>723924023
All MTX for PoE1 and 2 will eventually work in both games.
That specific one I believe was added a few weeks ago. Trying to find the announcement now.

>>723924058
That just means they got nerfed silly anon. It’s just like 3.23 when Deadeyes thought they could equip Wraithlord and 4 Abyss jewels without any tree investment to keep buff Spectres up for a whole map lol

>>723924484
*3.24 I mean

>>723924484
>silly anon
Come on lad. I've been playing longer than you. I know that it's either a rarity or a power nerf disguised as a buff. Me saying "Jesus Christ" is a shortform summary of "wow, this sounds like a huge mistake, knowing what I know."

>>723924802
I don’t mind it desu. Affliction aka powercreep: The League had minimal friction compared to many patches before it and it ended up being a really fun league with high retention because there actually was a point to jacking up your build numbers to the moon.