Thread 723887005

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https://steamcommunity.com/games/2186680/announcements/detail/533239065676349754?snr=2___

>>723887005 (OP)
>4 new portraits for Rape General, Mr. Edge-Blade, etc.
>New side quest for Stab McRetardHead
And much more!

I'm probably gonna wait until the season 2 dlc is all released. I've already played 3 dogmatic runs for the previous released dlc and feel like I might get burnt out of the game if I do any more before it.

>>723887005 (OP)
Im glad they're fixing their game, but its really fucking annoying that the best time to play their games is 3 years after release. Im not even talking about bug fixes.
This shit works for competetive games and live service shit, but not in a single player game. You're conditioning your players to never buy at launch

>>723889007
>Im glad they're fixing their game
lol
lmao even

>>723889096
Yes anon, im aware for every 2 bugs they fix, they introduce a new one, but its still a net positive

lmao I haven't even finished act 2 last I played

>>723889147
no you stupid fuck. this update is just nerfs. because fuck fun in a single player game, you have to play the game their way.

>>723889007
Yeah. I more or less just play Owlcat games one game behind. That said, CRPGs inherently have long tails and strong word of mouth if they're good. So I don't think "never buy at launch" is a problem if they're still getting the audience they need.

>>723889361
Sounds like a skill issue

>>723889572
the only skill issue I see is the slavic mind's inability to understand suffering isn't fun, neither inflicting it nor being targeted by it. I hate these mongol fucks so much it's unreal.

I don't like Kingmaker and WotR because of how artificially stretched those games are with their boring kingdom/crusade management systems. I swear those games would be 4x shorter if not for the intentional tedium. Is Rogue Trader as tedious too?

I'll just wait for all the DLCs, thank you!.

>>723889871
The management minigame isn't bad at all
The ship battles are forced and you can't skip them (not counting toybox)
Most of the tediousness comes from the nonstop loading screens
>exploring the world map
>npc wants to speak
>loading screen
>need to go back to the world map
>loading screen
>want to explore another system
>loading screen
>another npc wants to talk
>loading screen
It gets old fast

>>723890213
holy shit dude get an ssd

>>723890321
I already have one. You think it matters? For what it's worth the loading screens don't take as long as Pathfinder, but they're still annoying

>>723887005 (OP)
but did they fix the later acts being shit and heretics having no content?

>>723890364
the loading screen takes 9 seconds, even in coop. get help

>>723890450
>but did they fix the later acts being shit
No
>and heretics having no content
Can't fix this because it's not true

>>723889007
I play these games two times, launch and 4 years later. I think its nice to see the difference

>>723889871
Owlcat has streamlined the management minigame more in each subsequent game. It's really inoffensive in RT.

>>723889361
last time i played was just after dlc released with that assassin bitch and she was so broken OP i quit playing

Did they fix Cassia's skin color yet?

>>723890760
your lack of self control doesn't mean everyone should be dragged down to your level

Someone tl;dr.

>>723890960
>Balancing stuff, redoing some origins
>Cosmetic updates
>QoL and bug fixes
It doesn't seem big enough to warrant a trailer, but ti's barely a trailer anyways.

>>723887005 (OP)
Call me when all the DLCs are out so I can replay it.

>>723890960
>tl;dr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZOMCEvElHk

Dont tell me i have to respec again if im mid playthrough?

did they fix this board being filled with faggots yet?

>>723887005 (OP)
I guess this is good, but I've played Rogue Trader through so many times I'm burned out on it. So, no thanks. Maybe I'll get back to it a few years from now when all the DLC are out.

Bring on Dark Heresy alpha, though.

>>723891284
You're still here so no

I can finally play now
Been putting off committing to a full run for years…

Someone post Clementia's portrait

>>723891507
wtf she's old!

>have to wait for mods to update
fuck

>modtroon
Yikes

>>723891457
Bro you have to wait for the 2 more DLC next year still...

>>723890807
Retard

>>723891969
t. quits a game because he can't help but use 1-shots when available and hates himself for it

>>723887005 (OP)
I love warhammer and I loved Baldur's Gate 3 but I just can't get into Rogue Trader

>>723891785
>playing an owlcat game without toybox
lol

>>723892628
Yes. Done it to all their games.

>>723892546
Same, I also loved WotR. Don't like the characters, the locations are so disjointed it never feels like an adventure, roleplaying is limited by the tryhard 40k lore where you can only be a tryhard of some kind and combat/progressions systems are merely ok. I unironically preferred both Kingmaker and Wasteland 3 to this

>>723887005 (OP)
>new update
>start a new game
>clear act 1
>fall off
>lose all desire to resume playing
I like the game, there's just something about it that doesn't stick with me like others do.

>>723892029
>Engages in build autism, the highlight of Owlcat games
>Gets punished for it
Imagine being this stupid. Go back.

>>723887005 (OP)
I really do not care about 40kslop

>>723893036
>anon has no self restraint
>this is somehow everyone else's fault
many such cases

>>723893036
This only makes sense as a complaint if you're in the middle of a playthrough. Otherwise the new game state is just a different puzzle to optimize. Hopefully one with more, or at least new options.

How different is the current iteration of the game from the release? Worth replaying?

>>723893169
Why would you have to restrain yourself from engaging in a critical mechanic of a crpg? Casualfags need to go back.

>>723893272
You misunderstand. The balance changes are good because they limit vastly overpowered mechanics. The main problem RT had is that it's WAY too easy to completely break the game. It's not like wotr where you have to jump through hoops and use obscure loopholes to break it; in RT just intuitively choosing the level up options that makes sense will utterly trivialize combat.
The other anon is mentally deficient so he thinks it's normal to deliberately gimp yourself to an excessive degree, just to not win every combat encounter in the first turn.

>>723893824
>It's not like wotr where you have to jump through hoops and use obscure loopholes to break it;
the main mythic path can solo the game all you have to do is merge your spellbook

how are owlcat working on dark heresy, rt and expanse all at once?
quality has to suffer quite a bit no?

>>723893947
Getting to that point on unfair is really difficult without potent build autism.

>>723887005 (OP)
I love owlcat but you really gotta wait for YEARS after the initial release for their games REAL endstate

>>723893824
>Why would you have to restrain yourself from engaging in a critical mechanic of a crpg?
because you don't like it? why is your taste the end-all-be-all? you're a fucking nobody lol

>>723894105
They expanded their studio a lot.

>>723894186
>NOOOOOOO you can't just share your opinion! You're not important like me!
Go back, then keep going.

>>723894105
>he doesn't know
They have 500 employees bro.

>>723887005 (OP)
>Yrliet issues
I can't wait to see how much more damage Owlcat did

>>723894546
She already comes damaged by default just for being Yrliet.

>>723889875
poor heinrix...

>>723894546
her character kinda sucks
she betrays you, then she betrays you again, wew

>>723891660
imperial nobles in positions of authority generally are

>>723894546
>>723894583
The proper way to correct Yrliet is with buttsex.

>>723893408
the first two acts will feel like they have a lot more content but the latter three will be pretty much the same with maybe some different commentary dependent on who you use in your retinue

>>723894546
They are trying to fix her but she's still a turbo cunt

>>723893824
>You misunderstand.
Fair enough. Sometimes all the "implying implications" can make it hard for me to track what exactly everyone is arguing. I think we mostly agree. Although excessively obsessing about perfect parity is unnecessary and undesirable for single player games, balance has a place when things get really out of whack. Excessive imbalance makes the whole exercise uninteresting when it's all just flatly superior or inferior choices.

>>723889096
Reddit speech kill yourself

>>723893824
>It's not like wotr where you have to jump through hoops and use obscure loopholes to break it
Is merged Angel spellbook really an obscure loophole?

>>723895132
no, it's the most obvious cheese in the whole game

Curios to see how they modified the XP curve now. I wonder if you'll be able to access the tier 2 classes before the final battle of act 1 now

>>723895254
I hope not. I always felt like my build was pretty much done by the end of footfall.

>>723895058
>excessively obsessing about perfect parity is unnecessary and undesirable for single player games
No one's asking for perfect balance, or anything near that whatsoever. Idk if you've actually played RT but you can literally win every single combat encounter on unfair (plus maxed difficulty sliders) in a single turn with an intuitively efficient build. Note that I said single turn, not a single round.

>balance has a place when things get really out of whack.
They are out of whack, hence the major balance patch.

>>723894494
>share your opinion
>crying for nerfs because you can't control yourself
choose one

>>723895132
See >>723894115
Getting to that point in the first place on unfair is difficult.
Also, merged angel can make combat easy, but nowhere near as easy as RT where every single encounter is won in the first turn.

>>723895132
angel/oracle cheese was theorized before the game even came out and was never fixed. there was some cha dip for it too that they outright said was intended in the first few patches.

>>723895254
You will be stuck at 15 before Aurora

>>723894546
Yrliet is much more powerful gameplay wise now

>>723889361
try looking at the updated Ministorum Priest/Sister of Battle Origin Talents before you moan about Death from Above being nerf with what's essentially nothing anyways

>>723895456
>Has to imagine someone "crying for nerfs" to salvage argument
Imagine being this stupid, even when your stupidity has been demonstrated to yourself. Which argument will you invent for me next?

>>723895686
bladedancer was completely neutered the fuck are you smoking?
>try looking at the updated Ministorum Priest/Sister of Battle Origin Talents
You mean the ones that were also nerfed? kys
>>723895741
you act this way because no one ever loved you. close? I think so.

>unironically defending game's (probably still) completely non-existent combat balance
What's next, advocating against bug fixes?

>>723895814
It's 40k, being imbalanced means that it's accurate to source material.

>>723893824
>The main problem RT had is that it's WAY too easy to completely break the game.
>Got filtered by adeptus mechanicus planet boss fight
Damn, killed enough of my brain cells it's time to relegate vidya time to tell tale novels. I'm sure I could do that fight by picking a better strategy or picking better companions and doing the planet again after some reflection but the game just wore off after a few hours.

>>723895813
>Only people who are loved fabricate arguments for other people
Anon, this is the second time you've brought up my personal relationships. I think we're starting to get to the bottom of your insecurities. I suggest copious medication.

>>723895813
>You mean the ones that were also nerfed? kys
Disingenuous retard
Litany of Hatred can instantly, literally add 40+ FLAT damage to every single party member at the cost of nothing, especially vs the toughest enemies in the game: xenos & chaos

>bladedancer was completely neutered the fuck are you smoking?
Death from Above was nerfed with a slap on the wrist, penalties to Dodge/STR/PER don't mean anything when you can still spam it easily and the damage scales mostly from AGI & Weapon Skill
Oh no, Kibellah now has 1 STR instead of 30, wow, THREE less damage, what went sooooo wrong....
The only true significant nerf is Executioner not having an instant screen wide all enemy nuke button anymore, even then that was restricted only to Pyro Exec AND available at around 25+ by which point any other character could already clear all enemies in 1 turn anyways, just not at the press of a single button

>>723895132
The difference is that a new player wouldn't know about this, whereas in RT you simply have to read level up options and pick one that makes sense.

>5 more years till it's in a playable state

Yay...

>>723896179
>this is the second time you've brought up my personal relationships
not by me. maybe the connecting thread is you being an insufferable faggot? just a guess.
>>723896227
>Oh no, Kibellah now has 1 STR instead of 30, wow, THREE less damage, what went sooooo wrong....
>he doesn't use peak perfection on all martials
>he doesn't use the medicae to wounds on blade dancer
ngmi
>The only true significant nerf is Executioner not having an instant screen wide all enemy nuke button anymore
yes making an ultimate move worthless is bad. glad we agree.

>>723896351
Oh fuck off, as if new players are going to immediately know which strats and builds work perfectly to trivialize the game. Are you going to pretend that people weren't getting their shit pushed in by bosses like Aurora or Marazhai's sister?

Could they finally PLEASE add content to the last two acts so the game would feel finished?

>>723896395
>not by me
Nice try, Importancejeet.

>>723889007
>fixing their game
I've played it start to finish 3 times, doing different stuff, and haven't had any issues. I don't think it's broken.

>>723894115
>>723895571
>on unfair
So unfair is the only way to play WotR? not core or normal, which is what most people play?
Also, why even assume that someone who is playing unfair hasn't gotten good at build autism? You shouldn't be trying unfair to begin with if you haven't.

>>723896557
maybe you're just a loser?

>>723896608
why would sororitas be in an ordo xenos retinue to begin with?

>>723896464
>Are you going to pretend that people weren't getting their shit pushed in by bosses like Aurora or Marazhai's sister?
That's news to me. Marazhai's sister was challenging enough for me that it took more than 1 round to win, and that's only because I chose my worst party members going into act 4, not knowing I'd be locked out of my regular party members (Argenta, Kibbles, Jimmy)

>>723891660
Would you all though?

>>723896934
No. But she was probably quite hot when she was younger.

>>723896856
one of the best fights in the game IMO. difficult and interesting, but not unfair

>>723896934
Never cared about her to begin with, an ugly old hag portrait does her no favors

>>723896574
I'm comparing the real difficulty of the hardest difficulty modes of two games. That is the basis of my argument to which you're responding: RT can be trivialized by intuitively selecting the level up options that make the most sense, whereas wotr requires knowing obscure build mechanics and class dips on the same difficulty mode.

>So unfair is the only way to play WotR?
Never once suggested or even implied this. In fact, I would never recommend unfair on wotr to anyone because it's needlessly tedious.

So are the reworded origins any good

>>723896806
Fighting Genestealer Cult or similar infiltrator style Xenos makes the most sense. The line between a mutant and a fourth gen hybrid is kinda fuzzy.

>>723897175
>whereas wotr requires knowing obscure build mechanics and class dips
yes, the obscure "grab a paladin for mark of justice and a cleric for guarded hearth" mechanic

>>723897201
you mean do they compete with psyker? no, but they are more interesting

>>723891660
Astartia is the young one for Abelard's family

>>723896856
>That's news to me
>Kibbles
Then you weren't there when the game first came out. Uralon filtered people too.

Might do a new playthrough and finally do pyromancer on santic.

>>723897296
never played a psyker and I never fucking will

>>723896806
>>723897221
Honestly anything that involves a human cult somehow makes reasonable sense for sisters as the fighting arm of the church. Not every little Chaos Cult demands Grey Knights.

>>723896856
>use Kibbbles
Lol the pay2win waifu

>>723897221
yeah but xenos mostly has deathwatch at their beck and call, it's hereticus that has close ties with the sororitas
it would be extremely odd to see them in xenos retinue

>>723897485
yeah, it's best to stay away from the S tiers in these sort of games anyway
being overpowered is boring

>>723896639
>Goes back to posting in the exact same way, right after being called out for samefagging
Only an important person who is deeply loved by everyone would do this. You are Him. You are John /v/ Protagonist.

>>723897268
>Mark of Justice
>Act 1 and 2
I get it, reading is hard.

Would you forgive Yrliet for her betrayal if she agreed to have sex with you?

Navy officer is still complete shit
What the hell

Wonder if they'll rework Marazhai to be a bladedancer. No way they can right?

>>723898003
I don't want to have sex with her

>>723898056
officer is OP actually. don't use them

>>723898003
people fucked up when they think of the Yrliet relationship as a romance. it's not.

>>723897201
>>723897296
Yes, Ministorum Priest/Argenta has the highest party wide damage buff by FAR now due to Litany of Hatred being obscenely powerful, until they nerf it to % anyways instead of flat dmg
Astra Commander also has the very unique ability of increase Rate of Fire for all allies by a big amount AND provides a nice party wide % damage bonus + immunity to friendly fire
Comissar can add a lot of damage but it's unironically impossible to use until Act 2 and the Invigorating Resolve talisman, because the friendly fire damage you inflict is so big you'll be one shotting even Abelard in Act 1, and since there's no revive mechanic in the game it's annoying killing your own allies + the trauma stacking not being fun unless it's a Death World Bladedancer
Navy Officer has amazing offensive + defensive potential now with auto counters & knockdowns including AoE knockdowns even as early as Act 1
Psyker is still the best overall but at least there's a reason in picking the other ones now, especially since it's a 6 party game and ideally you only need a single Psyker for Raven Overseer buff spreading so Heinrix/Idira is just fine

>>723887005 (OP)
Did they buff dog?

>>723897538
Deathwatch are the chamber militant of the OX true. But Sororitas are simply FAR more numerous. You’re not always going to have a Xenos Kill Team at hand. And the Xenos and Hereticus mandates overlap where the aliens are within a human population. So no, you weren’t taking sisters to help monitor the Octarius War. But for alien shit in the underbelly of an Imperial world? Sure.

>>723898243
It literally is a romance, she gets jealous if you romance someone else, it's classified as a romance in-game

>>723898304
wrong. it's a really close and weird friendship, but there's nothing romantic about it. in fact, if you try being romantic it gets fucked up

>>723898362
So the game literally classifying it as a romance doesn't count. Yrliet being jealous of the other romance options and making you choose between her and them doesn't count, it giving you the romance achievement doesn't count

>>723898056
Absolutely wrong
Navy Officer has auto knockdown on all attacks while under Braced, knockdown is busted in this game due to wasting enemy turns + collision damage, also much bigger AoE on Braced meaning you'll buff the whole party now always, more uses of Braced, and most importantly auto counters when parrying hits + free attacks when getting crits with secondary weapon including Shield
please read it better, anon

>>723898267
It's still shit outside of Warrior Dog which has a unique ability to get more damage based on Temp Wounds, still shit for Soldier Dog aka Solomorne however

>>723898442
Pretty sure she doesn't get jealous. And sure it's in the files as a romance but all the deeper relationships are. There's not actually anything romantic in the relationship you can build with her. It's just a really close and meaningful friendship, really.

>>723889007
Honestly I prefer it that way, my backlog is big enough that I'm still playing things from 2010 so when they release their "this is the last fucking update we swear to God, guys" edition, I'll have the whole thing, bug free with extra content to explore. Until then, I get to play things like Colony Ship

Reminder you can now find a new Power Armor at the beginning of Act 3 which makes Malice aka the toughest battle in the game a breeze if you bring Chadbelard, and it's also not only the best looking Power Armor but earliest you can find with a very nice passive if you don't have xenos scum on party

>fix bayonets
>literally just a free attack for the whole party
Imperial guard commander is suddenly kinda decent huh.

>>723898446
>It's still shit outside of Warrior Dog which has a unique ability to get more damage based on Temp Wounds, still shit for Soldier Dog aka Solomorne however
Thanks. Why they hate dog so much?

>>723887005 (OP)
I don’t know shit about 40k and the only crpg I’ve played is DAO, is this worth checking out for someone like me?

i played this game when it came out, and i wanted to do a pro emperor dogma run. but the game kept punishing me for not working with xenos. like missing out on quest lines and companions with no real alternate routes. is the game still like this? i've picked up that it has gotten a ton of updates since then.

>>723898582
Malice was a tough battle? Wtf are you smoking?

>>723898524
>Pretty sure she doesn't get jealous
Why does she want you to break up with everyone else then?

>>723898686
because adding extra party members and turns really fucks up the balance, which is fragile to begin with

>>723887005 (OP)
>mfw delaying playing the game YET again
I'll just wait until Season Pass 2 is complete in a year.

>>723898717
>pro Emperor
>pure dogmatic
pick one. most of the dogmatic creed is shit he personally wouldn't agree with. he's fine with cooperating with xenos, as long as it benefits humanity

>>723898582
Where's that? I never found it. Did they add it in this patch?

>Blade dancer nerfs
>Silent verdict lower damage
>Inertia boots don't work with DFA and BW
I feel personally attacked
I'm sure Kibs will still do big damage

>>723898701
Yes, if you're ok with a lot of reading.

>>723898686
Reparations for Doggo being overpowered in Pathfinder
At least Dog will now

>>723898720
It's potentially the hardest battle on Unfair besides Prologue Chaos Spawn, in that it has some RNG to it, depending on party composition/allies you brought to Cumrag.
Before a few patches Yrliet wouldn't even have a rifle/weapon to use at that part and if you didn't bring Argenta/Abelard you're stuck with her only + if you aren't a Psyker your damage will be quite underwhelming due to all your gear being stolen
Abelard can now take 0-1 damage from all enemies with the new Power Armor.

>>723898892
New from Patch 1.5, at the loot stash when you meet Comissar/Argenta together with a new Shield from previous patch + new Plasma weapons from new 1.5 as well

I'm actually going to use Regimental Tactics now

>>723899049
The hardest unfair battle is Anvers gang in Footfall with Hammer boy

>navy is really cool now
>dont want to step on abelards toes

>>723899175
No dog it's the chaos marine.

Patch 1.5 literally has 30+ new items, when you consider the Lex Imperialis Patch also added like +20 new ones, it's a lot of new stuff that you can't retroactively pick :)

>>723889875
Shame I never even played the DLC yet.

>>723899179
>One uses shiels
>the other is two hander
Simple as

>>723896934
kinda.

Played over 90 hours of RT at launch and only ever made it to Dargonus. Had a helluva time with it though... Still download every patch.

>>723899309
with the new talents dual wielding seems way better for navy desu
unless i am misunderstanding what qualifies as secondary weapon

>>723898717
You’re going to be “punished” in different ways regardless of your conviction. There isn’t a “correct” route.

>>723899427
Shield will Shield Bash with that talent which is fun
2H won't work so yeah it's trash now for Navy
ranged pistols/1h shotguns also work

>>723899427
True, but someone has to wield the rocksaws.

>>723898267
>>723898446
Is it possible to make any functional pet build with the new DLC?

>>723899579
eagle and raven have always been good imo

>>723899579
Depends on what you mean by 'pet build'.
Overseer is a very good second archetype for officer and psyker builds.
Pet doing most of the killing? Not happening

>>723887005 (OP)
this game or bg3?

Are there any heavy las weapons? Commander gets pretty sweet bonuses for las weapons now but I also really like the heavy gun bitch portrait.

>>723896608
>mfw 18:55

Is building a dual pistolero better now? I played through before any of the expansions were released and it only felt feasible for Jae to rock them because of her exclusive origin.

do they have any plans for dlc past season 2?
can't wait until they're done so i can play the game

>>723899175
I second this, depending on how you approach this fight you can get fucked by the constant cc grenades and the hammer dude just one shots everyone.

Is there literally any reason to not kill eldar on sight?

>>723899861
lol no

>>723899579
It's not only optimal, it's the meta pick for some.
ANY party will want a Psyker Overseer with Psyber Raven pet since Raven auto spreads all your single target Psyker buffs party wide
Raven also has powerful offensive AoE powers like spreading Psyker Offensive spells or dealing AoE damage with its own abilities, one of which hits 3 enemies and binds them with shared damage, the other can hit all enemies in a huge AoE around it
ANY party will also want Officer Overseer with Skull pet to spread Officer buffs & enhancers like Focus! talent party wide
Eagle and Dog are the not must haves, but Eagle can still deal nice AoE damage once by divebombing like a free grenade that also blinds enemies once/turn and then hitting another enemy once, it's nice to soften + debuff enemies
Dog is mostly subpar sadly

>>723899737
Most people will like BG3 more because it has vastly better production value. RT is better if you're really into build optimization.

>>723899737
If you want to have fun, bg3

>>723899861
Soldier with the holsters is fine.

>>723899737
BG3 wasn't made by ruzzian incels.

>>723899971
Yrliet fits right into my firing line party

>>723900158
She would fit better in front of a firing line.

>>723899861
Yes, Comissar has passive buffs to Pistols, Plasma Pistols are MUCH stronger now due to new unique Plasma Talent/mechanics/weapons, there's also Shotguns that are 1H and count as pistols with 1 AP AoE attacks + knockdown/push AND the Pair Hoslter is still one of the most overpowered gear in the game
Aedari Burst Pistols also have a damage buff now + the new Astra Commander Origin can increase the Rate of Fire of pistols by a lot (or any ranged weapon anyways)

>>723898582
What the fuck this is genuinely insane for melee psykers of all kinds too

>>723900192
but really she fits the best on my dick

>>723899808
it's that just Wystan Frauka painted green.

>- Exclusive Iconoclast: Fanatic feature for the Servoskull Swarm added; receiving injuries or even falling unconscious no longer affects Momentum negatively while you're around the familiar;
This one line tells me the "balance update" is shit
Injuries literally do not matter

>>723899937
Not currently. But they just unceremoniously snuck Season 2 onto the steam page in when Lex dropped. That said based on their past games’ DLC and that they’re already into production on Dark Heresy and the Expanse game I’d expect that to be it.

>>723900232
She seems twiggy and scrawny, more bones than meat. Probably wouldn't be a good time.

>>723900323
Injuries stopped mattering halfway through act 2 anyway even on unfair.

>>723899737
Unless you’re specifically a 40K fan start with BG3. You can come back to RT if you want more. Owlcat may have finished releasing content by then.

>>723900158
>>723900192
Just use the new Comissar background which auto buffs the whole party with very high values if you self kill a xenos ally, so bring Yrliet to kill her at battle start and empower your party on every battle, literally

>>723900323
>ine conviction at act 4 mitigates momentum loss with a specific pet for overseer
Out of all overpowered things in the game ,this is not top 100.

>>723900521
oh my freaking scienceeee one whole heckin turnerino of +10% damageeeeee i'm basedfaciiiiiiiinggggg
trash

>>723900323
Anon... the Skull literally already breaks action economy by itself

Is melee arbitrator still shit?

>>723899024
Neat

>>723887005 (OP)
>Astra Militarum Commander, Ministorum Priest, Navy Officer and Commissar origins have seen a massive redesign and were effectively remade from scratch to bring them in line with the newer and stronger origins;
RIP noble and crime lord i guess

>>723900732
Yes and no if you go Shield boy AM.

>>723900732
It was good.
Got much better if you go navy.

>>723889361
>you have to play the game their way.
Uh, yeah, that is how nearly every single video game ever made is.
There are autists who will literally never play anything other than pyromancer executioners purely because it is the most overpowered build. The devs want you to try something new.

>fuck fun in a single player game
If you want to breeze through the game without thinking, story mode is there for you.
They don't want their hardest difficulties being easy as shit due to broken builds.

Marry a Sister of Battle

>>723887005 (OP)
Gimme the SoB and Tech Priest Origins already you fucks.

>>723900821
>if you go navy
Reread the post

>>723900821
Navy for melee?

>>723899175
This is correct. Absolutely ridiculous that said gang is significantly harder and more challenging than late game Necrons, all because Owlcat cannot manage a power curve to save their lives. The party outscales everything by mid act 2 and all combat becomes trivial as a result, somehow I doubt these balance changes really change that in the end. At least they're making an effort, I suppose.

>>723900796
They're overblowing it, they just changed some talents

>>723900606
I'll give you pass since the decription is misleading in this one, the actual effect scales way better than that, even in the Prologue it's already around 40%, there's a talent you can get that literally doubles the effect, and you can buff your entire party with 40+ to all stats as well eventually

>>723900884
SoB is literally the same as Ministorum Priest

>>723891660
Astartia is better

>>723900886
I read it.
Whatever melee thing you want to do, go navy instead.

Wife

>>723900056
I’ve been trying to “play” bg3 since 2020 when the early access came out. God damn it’s so boring and vanilla, other than OMG SEXXXXXXX, like dnd universe is only for women and fags. I beat rogue trader with 120 hours on launch when it was completely broken but super fun. I play tabletop and main black Templars though, so I’m already into the 40K universe (even if they are trying to make it also for fags and women). If we’re lucky they’ll make a SPACE KING rpg but I don’t think I bought enough hoodies for that.

>>723900930
Anver is pathetic since at that point you have access to 2nd tier Archetypes
Aurora can have some RNG due to bursting half your party automatically and cucking you out of cover by having party members start in spots turing the tactical phase that completely ignore party formation
Chaos Spawn in the prologue can also have some RNG due to around 15% of knocking Abelard down
Malice is still the hardest, or was the hardest, especially if you didn't meta the proper party formation, not having ANY of your gear, only 1-2 extra party members

The biggest flaw of Rogue Trader is the piss easy difficulty (if you're a CRPG vet, at least). Will they ever adress this or does this patch make the game even easier, as the last major patch has done?

>>723900725
>but what about (thing that has nothing to do with the conversation)
ok

>>723898842
Just play it. This is a sort of game that warrants a replay in the first place.

>>723901164
It makes it even easier if you know what you're doing due to much stronger Origins other than Psyker, much stronger abilities/gear for xenos allies as well such as Yrliet having permanent Finest Hour! so long as you get criticals, new stronger gear etc.

>>723900884
I want it to be easier to mod myself playing as an Astartes without it making the game really crash-prone.

>>723901106
Where boobs?

>>723901273
The point is the Skull is already obscenely powerful, it doesn't need stronger abilities and even then you specifically picked a unique ability added to a specific Conviction with it

>>723891660
Abelard is over 100 years old. Of course she is going to also be old.

>>723901164
It's only easy if you exploit broken abilities

>>723901413
>the (completely incoherent and offtopic post)
The point is that they don't know how the game plays at all retard
That's a non-skill, it does nothing
Stop bringing other shit up

>>723889007
>is 3 years after release
they still haven't finished updating wotr

>>723892628
>basedbox
I don't need to cheat to beat the game.

>>723901461
If said "broken abilities" make up a considerable chunk of options then that's a flaw in itself.

Which build has the most main character energy? Cool main character, not psyker sissy.

>>723901557
Noble officer

>>723901621
>buffslut
He said no sissies

>>723901557
Chainsaw warrior, burst weapon soldier, anything close range and high damage
>>723901621
>cuckchair = maincharacter
loawl

>>723901557
navy officer warrior vanguard. you don't even need to bring a party, you can just effortlessly tank everything the enemy throws at you solo.

>>723901654
Noble officer (fat ugly bastard)

>>723901475
Let me guess, you're the same retard talking about how the pach only had nerfs
It does actually matter in the case of a Death World Bladedancer where self inflicted traumas/injuries are optimal, OR the new Comissar rework which will relies on inflicting injuries/traumas to allies for buffs
Sure, you can still stack Momentum easily otherwise by the time you get Rank 3 in a Conviction, but that ability still has a use

>>723901164
>>723901553
This is only a problem if the game is supposed to be hard. I know this is a foreign concept to people on /v/ but games can in fact be easy by design and it's not meant to be a flaw. It's only a problem if a game is easy but it's not meant to be.

>>723901654
>Getting your own hands dirty
That's the job of your trusty Seneschal and Argenta.

>check out mods
>its all AI slop portraits

>>723901621
>glorified cheerleader
lol
lmao

>>723901728
Are you retarded? Do you think they add a difficulty called unfair intending it to be easy?

>>723901557
Uh....
Soldier AM vigilant arby?

>>723901716
>let me (schizoid tardbabble)
God shut the fuck up retard

>>723901706
The ugly bastard portrait is clearly meant for an agility melee build.

>>723901770
You can try the 40KGallery for a chance at some non-slop portraits.

>>723901831
>Do you think they add a difficulty called unfair intending it to be easy?
Duh, unfair mode is unfair for the enemies.

>>723901770
Not true, there's gameplay mods and some very good ones

>>723901887
You just said Injuries/Traumas didn't matter so the Skull Iconoclast ability was useless
It does matter in some builds, simple as, disingenuous cunt

>>723901728
The fact that they keep nerfing it says that no, it's not intentional.

You're not SUPPOSED to have infinite turns with the Officer, but you could so they nerfed it.
You're not SUPPOSED to delete the final boss with a single gatling burst, but you could so they nerfed it.
And so on.

>>723901728
>This is only a problem if the game is supposed to be hard.
It's supposed to be hard on Unfair. What now, retard?

>>723889669
sounds like a seething incel issue

>>723902126
>what the freaking science our niggertard item of +300 damage per hit does LE DAMAGE with LE GUN that LE SHOOT a 300 round burst?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Owlcrap is dogshit

>>723901831
>>723902137
Is it? The RT rpg is a very broken one, it doesn't really matter if you up enemy numbers because there's simply too many good synergies.

>>723887005 (OP)
wowee time for Heresy

>>723902272
We haven't gone far enough yet, we need Disgaea damage numbers.

>>723902137
And it can be hard, otherwise you wouldn't have people still moaning about Act 1 & 3 end bosses to the day even on Normal
I don't understand the issue with it becoming easy IF you know what proper strategies/abilities/gear/builds are most optimal, because that is true even for the likes of Elden Ring where people moaned so hard they nerfed the DLC final boss despite it also having instant win strategies

>>723887005 (OP)
Did they change any of the romance ending texts? For the romanceable women I mean, I don't care about guys.

>>723902426
>nerfed the DLC final boss
they nerfed the cross slash, and that ability did need the nerf.

>>723902426
The issue is more that simply bringing Argenta and Cassia and picking what "sounds about right" for their talents, not even looking up what's optimal, will let you shit out absurd amounts of damage. It's not even playing smart, it's just...playing.

>>723902126
Both are still possible, what the fuck are you on about

>>723902545
>it's just...playing.
that is what I want from my games, perfect for my smooth brain

>>723887005 (OP)
>all things I personally like got nerfed
Great.
Thanks.

>>723901770
i like this guy

>>723902545
Cassia is overpowered by design but just using Lidless Stare won't get you anywhere past Act 1, you still need to know what abilities/strategies/talents/gear are best for her
Same with Argenta who by default is nothing special, well, before they made her origin talents obscene with Patch 1.5 anyways
If you don't know how to properly increase her damage with other allies or talents/gear, burst will go from one shot tier to underwhelming tier

>>723902754
Why do you like overpowered shit you slug?

>>723901706
that is a NOBLEMAN
>>723901970
that is a NOBLEMAN

>>723902817
Except you're wrong and cassia breaks the game by pressing the Officer Button TM and Argenta breaks the game by using a burst-fire weapon

>>723902280
It seems you're having a different kind of difficulty level in your brain.

>>723902834
Big numbers make brain feel good

>>723902817
I mean you're right
But Owlcat doesn't balance around the average player, they balance around the spreadsheet autist.

>normalfag tourists trying to lecture CRPG vets on how piss easy games that require a minimum of effort (effort = reading tooltips) are totally fine in terms of difficulty
RT is a very easy CRPG and Owlcat fans expected more. Inb4 "WotR is just as easy" and other blatant lies.

>>723903110
You honestly have to be really bad at video games if you fail to make your characters overpowered in Rogue Trader.

>nerfed bladedancer
>nerfed executioner

>>723902834
I don't derive fun from reaching a challenge and overcoming it, I derive challenge from making my characters as broken as possible and reducing my enemies into a fine paste.

>>723903134
are there really no mods which make balance changes and make it harder?

>>723903134
>lecture CRPG vets
Most CRPGs are not actually hard, if anything Owlcat is the exception to the rule. Unless your definition of hard is shit like Atom RPG where the enemy just always gets the first turn and can just decided to instantly kill a companion (in a game with permadeath) with burst fire so you have to savescum until they decide to not do that.

>>723903110
>pick up an assault rifle
>instantly without doing anything do half an elite's HP in damage with 1 burst (assuming you have 0 damage increasing buffs or talents and whatnot)
Spreadsheet?

>>723903134
>Inb4 "WotR is just as easy"
It is though, WOTR is "make you number the bigger number" simulator, it has ZERO aspects to it outside number comparing, you just make you number bigger and click on the other statblock (enemy)

Is an Arbites/soldier build any good? First time playing the game.

>>723903445
And in RT you can literally click random buttons during level up and still beat Unfair. Next.

>>723903134
>Inb4 "WotR is just as easy" and other blatant lies.
WOTR is easier eventually, the only difference is it takes until the start of Act 3 while for RT is Act 2
WOTR is only harder at the start due to Unfair having awful scaling from the very beginning and 2x damage taken which is as artificial difficulty as possible
WOTR actually lets you defeat enemies in 1 turn even earlier than RT on Unfair, since by Act 1 even as far as the Maze you can already auto charge with everyone out of battle for an alpha strike ambush and free attack on all enemies turn 0, which also procs Cleave/Cleaving Finish plus Pets break the action economy apart as early as Act 1

>>723899785
They exist in the fiction, but not the game afaik.

>>723903134
>Inb4 "WotR is just as easy" and other blatant lies.
It's not hard, it's ultimately a game of numbers so it's about planning and preparing, no CRPG is ever going to be bullshit-levels of hard like NG Black which can make you want to throw your controller against the wall because it never asks the player to have both numbers and twitch reflexes.

>>723903445
Except you actually have to know how to make that number bigger. I still remember the reviews crying about not being able to finish the tutorial in Kingmaker.

>>723903485
There's an arbites spec that focuses on ranged shotgun stuff and soldier is the ranged class so yeah it's pretty cool.

>>723903360
>shit that never happened
Don't know what kind of elites you are thinking of but unless it's elites with 0 armor and 0 deflection, you're not very likely to deal half their hp in damage with just a burst, without talent or buffs.

>>723903485
Yes, but ideally if going Arbites you'll want 2x 2h Shotguns dual wielding + a Sniper Rifle on secondary slot, then Master Tactician as 2nd Archetype for huge Shotgun DMG
Point is Arbites is the only build that can dual wield 2h Shotguns, so why not go with it otherwise it's "wasted"

>>723903567
There are some drukhari heavy las weapons in game.

>>723903134
Just like you called it, they're already scrambling to tell you that WotR is just as easy as RT because you can pre-buff. These people will never get it, don't even bother. Here's a hint guys: In RT, you don't even have to know *anything* about your build. I've had friends of mine literally just click on whatever they thought sounded kinda good during level ups, it was the most unoptimized shit imaginable and they still breezed through the game with ease. In the Pathfinder games, you *have* to know what you're doing with your build on Unfair.

>>723903675
>Master Tactician
Why this one over overseer? I assume it's better than arch militant though.

>>723900341
thanks anon

>>723903580
Having to google what feats aren't traps isn't difficulty though

>>723903313
I have one called "Difficulty Sliders" which scales enemy HP as you level up, up to 4x HP. Even then it's really easy.

>>723903902
>b-but
Thanks for proving my point.

>>723903550
is BG2+ ToB with SCS only CRPG which doesnt use cheap stat bloat to make it hard and doesnt get trivial late game

>>723903824
Overseer is shit and doesn't do anything (except for officers and psykers)

>>723903824
MT has the strongest AoE dmg buff in the game which is perfect for Shotguns since it applies to all targets hit, + all sorts of other nice goodies and the most spammable class resource on demand
Overseer is shit for Soldier unless you are a Psyker, and one party member is already a Soldier Overseer with Dog pet (the only you can get and the worst of them in the game as non Psyker Soldier Overseer)
Overseer can be good if you just wanted to Snipe but even then with Eagle Pet so Operative starter class

>>723903812
>In the Pathfinder games, you *have* to know
To cast spells on yourself for 6 minutes before every fight so you can click on the enemy with 95% chance to hit and 5% to get hit

>>723903812
>Just like you called it, they're already scrambling to tell you that WotR is just as easy as RT because you can pre-buff.
I didn't say that, I just said that WotR, like all CRPGs, are not hard, they just ask you to prepare. It doesn't matter what a CRPG does, they will never, EVER ask of you
>you need to react to and press the block button within 10ms (a sixth of a second in 60 fps gameplay) of the enemy dashing to you in order to properly block the attack or you instantly die

>>723904080
Still requires more knowledge and effort than RT. Next.
>>723904117
Has nothing to do with what people associate with difficulty in an CRPG. Next.

>>723887005 (OP)
im not playing again until theres a premade/imported autolevel up. fuck it takes so long and it happens every 15-20

>buffclick
>hard

Is it still a rocket tag nightmare?
Clearing encounters in 1 or 2 turns made me quit my last run after buying the DLC
>just don't optimize
Enemies do insane amounts of damage, if you're not clearing half the encounter in the first turn they'll rape you

>>723904258
>Has nothing to do with what people associate with difficulty in an CRPG. Next.
I'm saying you people don't know what hard is and you're resting on laurels for wins that are casual. You're not cool and tough to me, go beat NG if you're so great.

>>723903975
SCS is even worse in this case since it makes Fighter/Mages vastly stronger than anything else
BG2 doesn't have stat bloat but it DOES have enemies that hit like a truck by default such as Golems/Dragons regardless of your AC (and in some cases like Dragons are made even stronger through SCS), especially with ToB where AC is kinda useless due to enemy THAC0 being surreal
So tanking outside of mage sissy spam like Stoneskin/Mirror Image which always absorbs hits regardless of damage taken becomes kinda bad
Frankly BG2 is even more unbalanced than RT/PF as far as Mages being hilariously broken and so far above everything else it's almost a joke
>lol dude here's a spell that literally clones your whole spellbook including mythic spells lol you can also use it multiple times lol etc.
But yeah, there's no stat block but there's still giga enemy buffs otherwise like massive prebuffs and new abilities with SCS

>>723896378
I see the nipple, anon...

>>723904314
Learn to buff your survivability then.

>>723890321
Not him but loading times get worse as you play, they aren't too bad in the first couple acts but after cumrag they're a bitch.

>>723901159
Malice is pure RNG based off your party composition and your own class, if you were a Psyker, Warrior, or Bladedancer it was trivial, the only classes that really struggled were those who were reliant on gear like Soldiers or Operatives. 2nd tier Archetypes do not save you from that fight, The Anvers gangers with Hammerlord are 100% the hardest encounter in the game on Unfair, Hammerlord one shots even Abelard and the other ones have AOE stun grenades and do decent damage of their own, and there are many of them. Generally you have to kite back into the corridor and take down Hammerlord while the others run to catch up or you're toast.

>>723904381
Nobody cares, this thread is about CRPGs.

>>723903978
>>723904027
OK thanks I guess I'll go tactician then

>muh difficulty
>in crpg
the only reason to play these games is for the adventure and the story

>>723904314
It's not needed anymore and tanks are even stronger like Abelard with the recent Navy Officer buffs + Shields added in Lex Imperialis
So while it's still optimal/meta/strongest to instant clear everything in 1 turn before they can react, tanking is actually good, powerful and viable now and you can also dish damage out while tanking once again with Navy Officer that auto counters whenever you parry or get a crit (and both stack)

>hey RT is a great game, but I wish combat was harder
>UM HAVE YOU PLAYED NINJA GAIDEN THO??
You don't hate tourists enough.

psyker and arch-militant remain untouched

>>723904540
Nobody asked you, nigger.

>>723903134
>Inb4 "WotR is just as easy" and other blatant lies
PFsister inhaling the copium, I see.

>>723887005 (OP)
Have they fixed the busted skills that gives your team extra actions and the power and reliance on team buffs before a fight or not? I haven't played it for a while

>>723904646
Nta but that's literally the whole point of playing an RPG, having characters and story used to be the primary thing that made them stand out from other genres. Otherwise why the fuck would you play a genre with so much down time that isn't gameplay-focused? Do you just mindlessly click through all dialog until it's over with?

>>723903495
>>723904258
How is RT being easier suddenly going to change the fact that Pathfinder is easy too?

>>723904646
Well, I answered.

>>723904603
It's always the same people, they think if you ask for more relative challenge in a specific genre you're trying to "flex" on others, even though the game has like 8 difficulty options already.

>>723904726
seize the initiative has been nerfed into absolute uselessness
bring it down still exists alongside finest hour though

>>723904540
CRPG difficulty is basically speedrunning for math nerds/rules lawyers. It’s a way to extend a game.

>>723904726
No but they added epic chungus skills like "heal a little bit if you're near this pet" and other useless garbage

>>723904807
>they think if you ask for more relative challenge in a specific genre you're trying to "flex" on others
Because flexing on others is literally 90% of this fucking board, most people only say anything to show how they're supposedly better than everyone else.

>>723904765
You got it backwards. Nobody was saying that WotR is hard. They were saying RT is easier than WotR. I know english is difficult but you can do it.

>>723904917
>Nobody was saying that WotR is hard.
I mean the other guy said that it's a lie to claim that WotR is easy too.

>>723904917
>Nobody was saying that WotR is hard.

>>723904396
i heard WotR late game can be trivialized to the point you can 1 shot everything late game on unfair, even with the most powerful build in BG2 fights in ToB will be a challenge on Insane with x2 dmg.

>>723891660
(Good news) The RT subreddit loves Clementia's portrait!

>>723904743
No, what made them stand out was the combat and character building, that was the actual core of CRPGs before they started being warped into point and click adventure games combined with poorly copied VN romance arcs. I blame Bioware for this.

>>723904961
>>723904980
>"WotR is just as easy"
There's the quote. You do know what "just as" means, right?

>>723904603
>>723904807
FWIW I think designing a game for the top level of challenge in a way that still functions within the systems designed for the average player is a very difficult task.

>>723905039
Motherfucker BG1 barely had any story, most of its characters were one-note and meant to die and be replaced, was 90% gameplay, and that gameplay was mostly trash mob fights that could be trivialized by having half of your team be archers poking away at the enemy. Bioware themselves only started doing story-heavy content with BG2.

>>723891660
And? She looks fine

>>723905034
hehe good meme ;)

>>723905034
The redhead Navy RT is so cute..

>>723905169
BG1 was fun because you used the tools you had to solve problems THOUGH (because the game wasn't uber broken like RT or uber retarded like WOTR so you could actually fucking do that)

>>723905039
>what made them stand out was the combat and character building
Dungeon crawlers did it better from day 1.

>this game sucks!
>Then stop playing.
>NEVER!
Literally impossible to explain.

>>723905268
Dungeon Crawlers are CRPGs, though. The fact people no longer associate them with CRPGs speaks volumes about how degenerated and decayed the genre has become.

>>723905169
What's funny is that BG1 had an extremely efficient story. Each step you took followed a (relatively) logical progression towards unraveling a mystery and going on an adventure. Sure, there's some really silly stuff strewn in there as well, but the villain's plan is actually pretty good and well told. For a low level DnD adventure it's really fantastic.

>>723905445
I know you're pretending like you're 40 years old and were there from the start, but I know that's not true because anyone that's that much of a sad fucking loser that refuses to let the past go would be on /tg/, not /v/

>>723905169
And? BG1 being more of a classic RPG doesn't change that it was Bioware who popularized the departure into characters, story, and romances being the primary focus of this genre of games. Now they're practically ALL like this and people are more upset about some random character not having a romance (see Argenta) then they are at the combat being a cookie clicker simulator and the character building being the most basic bitch shit possible. Just look at this picture for a great visual example of what CRPGs once were VS what they've become.

>>723905664
>Just look at this picture for a great visual example of what CRPGs once were VS what they've become.
But VtMB's gameplay was the absolute worst aspect of it and the game is good IN SPITE of its gameplay, not because of it. Which makes sense, the tabletop is a social-heavy game, if you wanted combat-heavy gameplay you'd play Werewolf the Apocalypse with your friends instead.

>>723905590
Ah right fa/tg/uys, where people focus on TT RPGs, you know, the things CRPGs were based on to begin with. CRPGs now are barely even holding on to the basic formulas that make them what they are, and it's why the games are so terrible, story and "romance" should not be the focus of a CRPG, the combat and the character building should be, because that's where the fun, the meat of the genre lies.

>>723905847
Gameplay =/= Combat

>>723905039
Crpgs have always been about automating the TTRPG experience for a player on a computer, most notably D&D. And D&D has always had an internal tension between the storytelling and combat simulation aspects of the game. That is mirrored in crpgs. Simulating combat came first because that was easier to code. But the story is important otherwise dungeon crawlers would have continued as the primary form.

>>723905847
The character building was part of what made the game so great, though, the statistics and character builds affected more than just combat. Also VtMB combat gets way too much hate, it really wasn't that bad. Now you don't even have character building just a checklist that automatically happens as you level up. If you think that's anything but a massive downgrade you are delusional.

Yrliet relationship is not a romance. Don't make the same mistake.

>>723905957
>>723905990
You can't simultaneously say that story and dialog overfocus is the problem with modern rpgs, then praise the game whose gameplay's strongest focuses are in how it affects dialog interaction.

>>723887005 (OP)
How good is Soldier heavy bolter build?

I see we are once again at the turbo gaslighting stage of "oh yeah well these classics had flaws too so it's okay if these new games are putrid dogshit".

>>723889007
gonna get even worse cause owlcat is peaking right now and has like 12 active projects

>>723906078
burst fire is stupid because the devs are retarded so its good

>>723905664
nobody is forcing you to participate in romance you can just tell them to shut up to kill it, bg3 might be the only one where you constantly have to have faggy conversations in camp

>>723906078
Like any soldier burst build, very much op if you go master tactician.

>>723906123
>these new games are putrid dogshit".
Does anyone actually think that? Have you played an actually garbage-tier game, or are you just being hyperbolic?

>>723905987
Story became the focus because Bioware popularized it and it's easier to write some shitty story than it is to build a good combat system and solid combat encounters. Doubly so for providing decent character building options, that actually takes work.

>>723906237
Oh my bad, it seems we have shifted to the "yeah well it's not literally *the* worst game ever made, so you can't say it's a bad game!" tactic instead.

>>723906316
No I'm saying you people either don't know what a bad game is really like, or you feel the need to say everything is either shit or amazing with nothing between because that's the current climate. No games can be "ok" anymore.

Doesn't matter. Fun builds are always the optimal choice for having fun because if you only worry about numbers all the time, all the challenge is gone. make thematic picks, not optimal ones, and you will have a good time

>>723906176
The point I'm making is that the games are going to continue to get worse because such a large % of the market for CRPGs do not care about all the things that make CRPGs fun and interesting for players who like deep character building options and good combat, they care about which one of their party members they can pretend they're fucking. The most common complaint about RT even here wasn't the shitty combat, the downgrade in character options compared to the Pathfinder games, no, it was "why can't I fuck Argenta?!". This genre is doomed.

>new ministorum priest nerfs flamer priests
..why?

>>723906375
Mediocrity doesn't get praised in any other medium either.

>>723906220
Good to know thanks!

>>723906242
Wizardry started with computerized combat, not the story. It is objectively easier to code even if “balance” can be tricky as you add complexity. I get that you want every game to be an automated 3.5ed D&D build optimization forum. But most people don’t want that from their games. Most people don’t want that from their TTRPGs.

>>723906558
but if you make something unique then nobody can bitch, because there's nothing to compete with it.

Do operatives still need 2 turns to make any substantial damage? I took a crime lord, operative assassin and it feels he's falling behind everyone desu

>>723906639
Yes they're still subpar, just download the mod that fixes it

>>723906625
People can always find reasons to bitch, even if they just make up reasons in their head. Nothing else plays like Divinity Original Sin 1/2, and people bitch about their combat all the time. Sometimes the road less travelled, is less travelled for a reason.

>>723906625
Making something unique isn't inherently good or bad. Of course I personally prefer it over making the same game over and over again, but there's just as many unique dogturds out there as there are copied masterpieces.

>>723906537
No promethium 4 u

>>723906639
Operatives are pretty strong if you have 2 or 3 of them, but by themselves they're only situationally useful.

>>723896476
They already moved on to Dark Heresy lol. Rogue Trader is not even remotely a priority anymore.

>>723906516
>the genre is doomed
No. You are just the aging out comic book guy. The historicals grognard in the corner of the hobby store.

>>723906749
>>723906763
Owlcat games are pretty unique though.

>>723887005 (OP)
I bought it complete yesterday for 35 bucks. Im still gonna wait to play because apparently its getting two more large DLCs. Or should i play it now? Im only gonna play it once, im not replaying a game that is 100+ hours long.

>>723906516
At some point you just need to realize you're not the target audience anymore, and bitching and moaning isn't going to magically change thngs to how they used to be. It is an unironic case of "if you want this, you're going to have to make your own because no one wants to pander to you anymore"

>>723906639
Put Wanderer's Portent in your second slot and attack 5-10 times/turn.

>>723906442
No you won't, because even the "fun builds" end up being overpowered as fuck in this game. What are you going to do, take six Operatives and their worst talents to keep the game "fun"? One of the big things that ruins this games combat that no one talks about is itemization, the party gets access to way too many ridiculous items that totally break combat if utilized halfway intelligently. Look at shit like the Malpian Shroud, that thing shouldn't even exist, and if it did, it shouldn't be available until 2 fights before the final boss. Owlcat are incompetent gibbering retards when it comes to itemization and it's the worst it's ever been in Rogue Trader, so even if you don't pick the optimal classes or builds (or even half-decent ones) you'll probably end up broken as shit anyway just thanks to all the overpowered as fuck gear they flood you with.

Which is why this "balance update" is a joke because while they are nerfing certain things they are simultaneously giving tons more OP items at the same time so what is the fucking point? It's going to end up in the same place it already is anyway. Russians truly do have too much Mongolian blood, they lack the intelligence necessary to craft a decent CRPG, the finer details escape them and will never be within their grasp to comprehend and execute upon.

>>723906859
ya I played before during the gothgirl dlc and now I'm struggling to start on a second playthrough, so I'll probably wait too.. or maybe not who knows. I wish they would release some info on the next dlcs so I know whether it's worth waiting or not.

>>723906901
>One of the big things that ruins this games combat that no one talks about is itemization, the party gets access to way too many ridiculous items that totally break combat if utilized halfway intelligently. Look at shit like the Malpian Shroud, that thing shouldn't even exist, and if it did, it shouldn't be available until 2 fights before the final boss.
I want to beat you to death with a hammer for this sentence
Cool items are all in dogshit places in this game, it's already shit like you want it to be

>>723906901
Nta but being overpowered can be fun. What's not fun is when you feel like trash encounters are "in the way" and getting between you and the actually unique fights.

>>723906901
anon...just don't use OP shit if you don't like it...

The Heretic playthrough was so KINO, that I can't motivate myself for a DogmaKEK playthrough.

>>723907165
>Kino
It was entertaining but only for how bad it was.

>>723907165
I thought Heretic was incredibly devoid of actual heretic content, and it made me drop 3 of my party members for one absolutely dogshit one that had literally broken abilities on release. And i don't mean overpowered, I mean they didn't fucking work.

>>723907272
Half the game didn't work on release

>>723906123
>had flaws
All cult classic games are basically putrid dogshit, you're just used to not noticing it
Rogue Trader combat is just a masterpiece in comparison to something like Fallout

>>723906743
This one?
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kroguetrader/mods/287
Idk man, looks kinda bonkers to me
>>723906891
Right, I just need to get aeldari proficiency and that's it?

>>723907050
There are no unique fights in RT, just like every Owlcat game. Just a corridor into whatever enemy into a statcheck and that's it. Encounter design is easily one of the weakest things about Owlcat games, they can't design anything interesting to save their lives. The closest thing they came to something fun was the Daemonette fight in your bedroom. Compare that to Larian games where practically every single fight has multiple avenues and strategies you can utilize to succeed and you can win on your tactics, not just your parties math being better than the NPCs math. Every fight in Owlcat games feels like a trash encounter as a result, so your statement is nonsensical since there's no difference between any of the fights from start to finish aside from the graphical representation of the mobs you'll cookie clicker your way through.

>>723907219
>>723907272
It was at least from a power fantasy standpoint.
Melee psyker with the Edge of Irrevocable was amazing.

>>723907419
>bonkers
A soldier can oneshot every boss in the game past the tutorial

>>723887005 (OP)
what are the broken weapons in this game, I do lots of damage but it feels like I could be doing ten times more

>>723907453
>Encounter design is easily one of the weakest things about Owlcat games, they can't design anything interesting to save their lives.
Fact
Owlcrap combat design is laughable and I see people ttry to megacope about it on /vg/ sometimes

>>723907453
>There are no unique fights in RT, just like every Owlcat game.
Therer's still bosses.
>Compare that to Larian games
A common criticism of Larian is their fights are TOO curated. Which is a choice, at some point I just use toybox to kill all enemies on trash encounters because imo, trash fights aren't fun and existed because it was one of the only ways to get experience in old games.

Officers are too good but if you make your guy an officer he becomes a buff bitch but if you make someone else an officer that means your guy is a bitch who takes orders from an underling. What do?

>>723907564
Burst fire weapons because owlcat thought getting to attack 10 times per attack was "balanced" by giving you a little bit lower base damage
>>723907617
I don't use officers, I can't grasp the retarded idea of having a character who'se only purpose is to make another character attack more
If officers gave blanket buffs or debuffs okay, but that's not what they do

>>723907051
>just don't use [OP thing]
>in a game packed with [OP things]
You self-gimping retards are something else.

>>723907617
Romance Cassia so you’re just making your girlfriend happy by doing what she asks you to do.

>>723907736
>I can't grasp the retarded idea of having a character who'se only purpose is to make another character attack more
Action economy is the god stat in any rpg, so what limits your best character more than anything is not being able to act multiple times a turn. Characters that give your best character more actions per turn bypasses that.

>>723907781
you minmax retards are something else

>I used every exploit and now the game is too easy!!!
you did it to yourself fool I fuck your ass

>>723907854
I wasn't asking what they're good at I was calling it stupid

>>723907893
You said you couldn't grasp the idea, I'm telling you what the point of it is.

>>723907857
>using your brain even a little bit is an exploit now
LOL

>>723907938
I can't grasp the IDEA, not the mechanical concept
The idea is retarded and superfluous, you might as well just have another damage character

>>723907938
Don't tell me what I said. You need my cock

>>723906516
>"why can't I fuck Argenta?!"
Hey, that's me. I kinda want to play it, but the mere fact they put a cute sister of battle in the game as a follower and yet won't let me romance the shit out of her is a dealbreaker.

>>723908026
They're all married to the Emperor.

>>723907613
Are you serious? The bosses are a prime example of how unimaginative and dull Owlcat is when it comes to designing a fight. They just make them even BIGGER statchecks, that's their idea of an interesting or cool fight. For fucks sake they phoned it in so hard on the Void Shadows DLC boss that they just made it so he automatically becomes invulnerable if he takes 33% or more damage in a single round, so you're forced to go through three rounds of statchecking him before he falls over like a limp rag, instead of one shotting him like you do everything else. Wow, how intriguing and tactically exciting! Look man I get you maybe like these games but don't try to defend what is objectively and clearly one of the WORST things about them. If Owlcat are ever going to improve they need to realize how dull and lifeless their encounter design is and actually try to come up with something that allows for or even requires actual tactics and thought.

Noooo my youtube builds! How do I play the game now?!

>>723908083
No, they aren't, there are several books where they're fucking around with Inquisitors, Imperial Guards, and even some of the clergy. They're not celibate.

>>723908119
They do make some really good fights, but yeah I'd say that encounter design is probably their biggest weakness in all their games. It's never actually bad, but it's rarely actually good either.

>>723908119
I like RT because it's a 40k game that doesn't actually misunderstand or butcher the setting, not because it's some gold standard of gameplay.

>>723907419
>Right, I just need to get aeldari proficiency and that's it?
Along with the base skill lore xenos, and anything that helps with crit to keep attacking. Dunno if it's intended or a bug but the wanderer's portent effect triggers even if you attack with another weapon unless they nerfed/fixed it with this patchm I haven't checked. A crit with death whisper can retrigger the additional attack effect in case you lose it. And dropping a killing edge for 0 ap with professional acumen once you run out of ap is also nice. You might want to consider different talents too. Also you can technically have unlimited attacks if you use the sniper rifle that gives you 1 ap on crit.

>>723907847
Cassia is the officer, being a buffslut is a woman's job

>>723908119
When I buffed and clicked on deskari I freaking CLAPPED!!

>>723908083
That's not the case and you know it. No celibacy in the ranks of the battle babes. Honestly, I'd take that argument if they just cut romance out of the game and not even care. But you can sure as shit romance some black chick or xenos scum. Probably loads of gay shit that's easy as hell to misclick your way into a fade to black. But the cute white heterosexual woman? Zero chance, and zero dollars from me.

>>723891660
She's supposed to be.

Burst Fire Heavy guns can rape. Carnival of Misery was op because it just hit EVERYTHING on the field without justification for how that shit werkz it just do. I pretended my Psyker RT was just killing everyone with his MIND

So, is the psyker+bladedancer still the most OP shit?

>>723908442
I think they're nerfing it, but honestly I'm not the biggest fan of melee.

>>723907485
Yeah, being the evil murderhobo after doing a state-sanctioned murderhobo and goodboi run was just a bit of fun.
Evrerything goes to shit in Koronus because my RT said:"You know what? I really like purple."

Looks nice

>>723906981
They sound interesting, one of them seems to be a horror focused dlc. But at the same time its gonna finish releasing late 2026, and after patches and updates it would maybe early 2027 before i actually play it. I dont know if its worth it waiting that long. And if they do season 3 dlc then thats another year, at that point I might as well not even play it.

>>723908559
>one of them seems to be a horror focused dlc
Isn't it just a necron vault?

Very nice, rather.
I always had a problem with this game looking like dogshit (style-wise)

>Yrliet bitches when you wipe out the rape torture murder city because her cousins live there
dumb xeno bitch

>>723908691
By wipe out do you mean retardedly help chaos the enemy of all life including yours?

>>723908691
Exposing it to chaos is a bit much, even they don't deserve that.

>>723908719
>help Chaos
do you think what they're doing there isn't already feeding Slaanesh and the rest of Chaos?

>>723908778
They absolutely do

>>723891660
Clementia is a grandma.Abelard is much older than he looks because he had a bunch of adenochrome injections but he's in the 100's

>>723908781
>do you think what they're doing there isn't already feeding Slaanesh and the rest of Chaos?
Yes.

>>723908719
>Retardedly
Excuse me, I willingly helped Chaos

>>723908719
No, I mean wipe out as in wipe out.

>>723908843
so yeah, it helps chaos in the short term but gives chaos far less in the long term. stupid fucking elves

>>723908781
HIs meme argument is especially funny when the name of the setting is Warhammer, like, constant nonstop war that is feeding Khorne. But god forbid you let a few daemons feast on some deldarinos

>>723908626
The description of the dlc is this
>Venture into the Processional — a massive, otherworldly graveyard of ships lost to the void. What begins as a search for riches turns into a descent into the unknown. Navigate shifting corridors, avoid ancient traps, and uncover strange truths that defy logic. A new companion joins your crew — someone shaped by this impossible place. This expansion introduces new story, a mysterious new region, unique enemies and some fresh gameplay mechanics.

I dont know what a necron vault is, i dont know anything about 40k. I just thought this game looked neat and it was 35 bucks for what seems to be a lot and i wanted to play another crpg since im playing Disco Elysium and i thought it was cool but i also domt care much for fantasy and this semm more sci fi.

>>723908781
Not really, it's just a different way of keeping She Who Thirsts from eating their souls. Instead of using soul gems they just doubled and tripled down on the hedonism because then Slaanesh isn't bothering with their souls.

rogue trader threads live on while silksong and hades threads hit the garbage after 50 replies

>>723908906
Oh I was looking at the other dlc, the one that mentions Trazyn. I wouldn't be surprised if that one gets us a Freeboota.

>>723908895
Wrong.

>>723907380
Contrarian faggot.

>>723908691
She values elf lives more than you.

>>723908983
>completely different games out of nowhere
You're obsessed with them aren't you?
RT threads were dead as fuck for months and this one only survived because of the update anyway

>>723907857
>minmax
Niggy I can literally close my eyes and equip items at random and I will end up with a strong party.

>>723909017
no u. fagot

>>723909048
Are you really going to argue that Vtmb wasn't a broken piece of code and that Fallout had good combat?

>>723909015
Your misplaced and foolish optimism that Owlcat will ever bother modeling Orks in order to add them to their 40K games is charming in its naivete, my friend. They are lazy slavic subhumans so you will get no such thing, just another Imperium character. Accept this truth and know peace.

so how come elves and dark elves haven't gone extinct with all the war and not fucking going on?

>"updated" sniper rifles or whatever
>checking them they seem to be worse?
What

>>723909217
Deus ex machina. It's latin for "shut the fuck up and stop asking questions".

I wanted to make a sword + pistol build that actually uses both efficiently. Is arch militant still solid, or it's gutted to shit after how strong it was when the game came out?

looking forward to finally doing a full playthrough in 2028 when there are no more major reworks

>>723887146
Their names might be unorthodox but these are really deep characters

>>723909217
They are fucking on the craft worlds, just not with humans

>>723909336
Arch militant is still the way to go yeah, the new commissar buffs your pistol but the issue of them not working together too incredibly well remains (buffing your melee does nothing for your ranged and vice versa I mean)

>>723909336
arch militant is still strong, but only really shines in longer battles because of how they get stronger every turn.

>>723909217
the sovl crystals resurrections

>>723909336
It only gets really good when you get to examplar. Before that it's pretty middle of the pack in efficiency.

>>723909217
They used to have a literal galaxy spanning Empire, they were way, way more populous than even the Imperium was at its height, and even though they've lost 90%+ of their population there are still billions and billions of them around. It's not hard to sustain your species if you have that many remaining people, and additionally the Craftworld Eldar still reproduce if they have enough Soulstones for it, and the Dark Eldar are said to actually be growing in number all the time.

>>723909217
They have team auto-balance enabled.

>>723909217
They still reproduce. Deldar mostly just use cloning, and not dark not elfos just do it clinically.

>>723909053
then she shouldn't bitch when I say humans are more important than everything else. a little bit of intellectual integrity would go a long way with Yrliet

>>723909217
Dark elves get vat grown at volume by the Haemonculi. Craftworlders are slowly going extinct but have Farseers which have among the strongest divination powers in the galaxy and direct the actions of their race to more or less die as slowly as possible.

>>723909356
2028 would be the game's 5th anniversary, so you can expect an anniversary fuck-everything-that-worked-previously-up update.

Every rpg without romance gets forgotten in a month. Games with good romances get while fansites built around them. Avellone can suck start a shotgun.

>>723909398
I was thinking something like
>Soldier, 2 attacks from DW weapons, 1 soldier extra attack, 1 AM extra attack
>Remain in melee range, shoot, provoke AoO, use a sword that counterstrikes on parry
The issue with this game is that when you stack too many mechanics on top of each other it starts to behave extremely unpredictably. Already had all kinds of weird shit in a previous playthrough.

>>723909574
>They have team auto-balance enabled.

What's the point of mods for this game when you can already do all of them with Toybox?

>>723901490
>they still haven't finished updating wotr
They have, actually.

>>723909772
>Avellone
You mean Sawyer, I assume? Avellone was never anti romance.

>>723909823
the extended psyker path one if fun

>>723909786
I meant damage / equipment buffs

>>723908691
Feeding a load of dildo elves to sex-Satan doesn't really accomplish anything much. The darkos are shithead dickheads, but the incarnation of evil rape is significantly worse also.

>>723909772
What is Veilguard

>>723909929
the choice is giving the rape god a big bite and then nothing afterward, or to keep letting the rape elves feed the rape god by hurting innocent people forever. the better choice is obvious

>>723909823
>when you can already do all of them with Toybox?
No you can't

>>723909929
>The darkos are shithead dickheads
And yet some of them got a fate worse than death, that's fine by me

>>723909772
Arguably PT doesn’t have romance. Although you can flirt.

>>723887005 (OP)
>Clementia actually got the portrait
neat!

>>723908691
Yrlier's a genuine retard among Eldar.
Normal Craftworlders despise Dark Eldar and only ever work with them under the most heinous and dire circumstances, to the point where they'd sooner tolerate a moderate Human over a normal Dark Eldar.
Naturally, becauze Yrliet's a retarded college drop out by Eldar standards she's too stupid to think that way.

>>723909973
A bad rpg

>>723910018
They get entrapped and turbo ultra soul-raped for eternity.

>>723910113
You can kiss Annah passionately and she says that you matter more to her than life. No romance?

>>723909867
No, has-been gay faggot can kill himself before he starts a gofundme for his AIDS medication.

>>723909786
Pair Holster give you a free attack if your pistol crits. Kick is also an attack. Combine those around and you have 8 stack on first turn, without using heroic ( then you can get to 10-12 depending.

There's a bolt pistol that always crit ( hidden corpse on grantis after marazhai encounter), and a item that makes bolt weapon always hit (blessed bolter casing).
Exemplar talent that increase all damage done by 1 for each attack done.

That should get you started.

>>723910198
It has romance

>>723907453
owlcat > larian
larian doesnt have any actual depth
its easy to pick apart and and your stats arent as important as they can go to toe to toe anyways
the flavor of explosive barrel just makes it even more braindead and easy
Owlcat understands that you need to actually build power in your character instead of gimmicks
that means depth and is a way better encounter design

>>723910231
I am really not following you here nor do I have any idea what you're talking about since none of your posts make any sort of sense at all.

>>723910541
lol
lmao
At least make the shilling believable, my man. Watching someone try to defend Owlcat encounter design is like watching someone try to defend Larian narrative design, only a shill or an absolute cultist retard would even attempt it.

If the Emperor woke up and got out of the chair, I think he'd just wipe out the Empire except for Earth/Terra and start again.

>>723899737
this is a good game to play after you've finished bg3 and are waiting for larian's next project

>>723890364
brother I played Kingmaker on HDD once, you have no idea what 'annoying' means

>>723910825
>no argument
Larian design is braindead for morons who cant put a build together so has instakill knock off ledge fallbacks and shit like that
morons then think they are smart for doing it

>>723910403
Yes and?

>>723910976
it's fun though and I bet the scifi game they're working on will be good too

>>723910749
Eat shit pozzhole faggot. Oh wait, you already do that.

Fuck i just finished chapter 2 as a meele psyker.
I like they are doing something about the balance, I like being able to one-shot every encounter with sword of faith, but I'm gonna need a challenge at some point.

>>723889361
>Massive buffs to sniper rifles, plasma guns, webbers, arc rifles, knife-ear weapons and armor etc.
>Bladefaggot crying because of a minor nerf to what's objectively the strongest class

>>723911085
>Every rpg without romance gets forgotten in a month

>>723911095
>it's fun though
sure
as there are more choices in Larians combat, i can give it that

>>723910976
You are implicitly admitting the argument by what you're saying in your very own post, in Larian games it's possible to win through tactics and strategy, in Owlcat games that doesn't exist and it's pure statchecking. That was the argument that was made, and you yourself are admitting that to be the case. We're done here.

>>723905858
that is just your opinion, not everyone is a gamist

>>723910826
He can already manifest through Guilliman and had done nothing like that.

>>723911193
It seems like no matter how good the game is, most of the discussion becomes just arguing about who's the best girl after people have argued about the game for a few months.

Except Expedition 33, with no romance, and people will probably be arguing about the Verso or Maelle ending for years to come.

>>723911153
>I'm gonna need a challenge at some point
you won't find one as a psyker

>>723911150
Yeah you really have no clue what you're talking about, good to know, thanks for playing.

Did the patch add any more story to characters or is Argenta doomed to just have all her plot beats drop like a fucking rock at act 3?

>>723911326
Veilguard had romance and was forgotten in a month. I dont think you can think

>>723911323
He's stronger than all the chaos and xenos combined. Guilliaman can't handle the torque on Big E.

>>723911153
The game takes a bump in difficulty in chapter 4. Mostly true if you have the void shadows dlc because you get into a forced scenario fairly early where every enemy has minimum 400 hp and can hit for 90 even on tanky characters, at least of unfair.

>>723911479
but nobody actually talks about that game anymore, except to whine about it.

>>723911452
Implementing reactive content that deep into the game is hard and costly without breaking earlier acts so no :)

>>723899579
>>723900030
Eagle is completely OP with Operative, it can add 3+ exploits to all enemies every turn with a passive talent

>>723908119
owlcat got too drunk on the grognard juice that they forgot what makes rpg combat fun in the first place

>>723911479
>I dont think you can think
This is very ironic coming from someone desperately latching to one game as proof, especially when the previous DA games prove him wrong (DAO and DAI, in particular)

>>723911504
Handled it well enough to burn large parts of Nurgles garden.

>>723910826
The gray knights would put him back in the chair.

>>723911713
Veilguard proves him wrong even ME Andromeda lol. Pillars 2 had romance as well.

>>723911713
does anyone talk about DAI or its romances anymore? even the stolas girls gave him up after the veilguard ruined his character

>>723909637
>intellectual integrity
>in woman
>in elf woman
you never had a girl?

Is a full chaos degenerate playthrough worth it?

>>723912276
I thought video games were supposed to be all about the male fantasy

>>723912408
no

>>723911193
Anon. You fail at logic. A counter example for the inverse of a statement does not also disprove the original statement. Yes a bad rpg with romance will not automatically be remembered.

>>723912417
well, there is 'nazi' empire but it's also full of niggers

>>723912043
Morrigan is still loved and DAI provides the epilogue on her romance.

>>723912860
so an entire game franchise is only remembered because of one character who was just a better version of a character from bg2. ok

Checking the new talents for plasma weapons, webbers and arc rifles make it look fairly promising.

>>723913230
>webbers
people keep mentioning webbers ITT

why would you EVER use a webber when you could just kill or harm whatever you were shooting at? It's not like being non-lethal matters ever

>>723913230
what are they?

Oh the thread actually lasted this long I'm surprised

>>723913327
One of the talent gives you a free attack with a webber per round, so there is that.

>>723913330
Check them yourself, there is just a pain to list the dozen or so new talents here.

>>723911857
ME was a shit game and no one remembers anything from PoE2 other than WORDSWORDSWORDS.