Thread 723908735

It's a multiplatform world. Get with it or get left behind.

I'd suck her bbc

>xbox exclusives
i dont think theyve had exlusives since the 360 era

>>723908735 (OP)
>Exclusive games are antiquate anyway

If I had to choose between two consoles with the same price and performance, why would I buy the one with zero exclusives?

>>723908735 (OP)
I'll admit it's better than ever because you don't have to buy Xbox or Playstation now

>>723908832
this whole exclusivity debate also dates back to that era, leave it to /v/tards to be stuck 20 years in the past and still consider it relevant

Good.

Xbox just keeps dropping the ball. They shit out games no one wants and now they're saying exclusives don't matter.

I love black women bros

>>723909091
why would you support the anticonsumer practice of exclusives?

>>723908735 (OP)
Xbox was doomed after they said you can't resell your games back in Xbox One. DEI hiring, making shit games just helped failing faster. Sony is pro multiplatform too but I assume their DEI filled shit games are more entertaining than Xbox slop.

>>723908735 (OP)
Those titties are lower than xbox sales.

>>723908735 (OP)
exclusives are antiquated*
unless they're on PC

>>723909194
>this whole exclusivity debate also dates back to that era

>>723908735 (OP)
>Exclusives are dea-ACK!

>>723909505
Thanks for proving her point.

>the PS5 is 5 years old and has 4 exclusives
That's less than one exclusive per year, what the fuck happened to consoles?

The sexy black dei bitch is unironically right though. Imagine having to explain to your gen alpha nephew why he can't just play Mario Kart on his phone like he can with Fortnite and Roblox. Exclusives are as dated as cable at this point, a relic of the past

How can a company be so out of touch? I was never an Xbox fan, but I wanted them to be a competitor. Now I hope they go out of business.

>>723909371
TotalBiscuit is dead and I'm pissing on his grave

>>723908735 (OP)
People have been saying this for years. Some rando new hire saying it isn't news.

>Mrs. Fox
>Those grapes are surely sour.

>>723908735 (OP)
more like Xbox is dead

Exclusives only matter if you make a lot of them. Even Sony isn't keeping up with that anymore and keeps putting previously exclusive games on PC, disincentivizing the purchase of a PS.
Not that many people are willing to buy an entire console for 1-3 games, so you either need to make many exclusive games (preferably 20-30+) or make the console itself desirable. You can only keep people chained to your platform via sunk-cost for so long.

Man, it's weird. Sega died because of failure after failure and the dominance of it's competitors.
Xbox just blew it's leg off, then it's arm, and now it's got the barrel of the gun lined riiiiiiight up against it's temple, no one else had to do anything.

>>723909628
Yes we know you're retarded shill

>>723909693
Making games is too expensive. During 5th gen there were games that sold less than 100K and got a sequel.

>>723909371
because typically exclusive games are more impressive. They make better use of the hardware and have more "soul" put into them.
Multi-plats tend to be lowest common denominator. Every time a dev makes a feature it has to be tested on multiple dev platforms which takes time. Every time there's a performance regression it has to be fixed multiple times. When you're grinding like that there's no time for "soul."
Companies have tried having multiple teams to avoid this issue, but all that happens is you wind up with your primary team not working on the primary platform because they are busy fielding queries from the port teams because they can't get shit working on their end. Net result is that the cool shit gets taken out of the roadmap because there's no time thanks to all the testing and profiling and retesting and reprofiling.

>>723910082
>posts a game which isn't exclusive
keep digging that grave

>>723910082
At least post non-bundled games.

>>723908735 (OP)
They basically are if you aren't Nintendo. Third parties are going all in on multiplat, Xbox stopped ages ago, Sony has also been releasing their first party IPs on PC and on said on record a few months ago that they want PlayStation Studio games to release on more than just Playstation consoles

I’ve played Xbox for 12 years, and I have to say I hate this nigger ape bitch, and the rest of her ilk. They have made the Xbox completely uncompetitive and it’s obvious from financial reporting that staking their entire brand on stream is too expensive and failing them. Fuck this baboon.

>>723910125
>Moving the goalpost
Concession accepted, shill

>>723909628
I'm not sure why twitter tourists like you can come in real gaming site, bark this dumb nonsense and still insist to be knowledgable gaming experts. You just leak actors boots all day.

>>723908735 (OP)
It's kinda funny how they elect a Black woman to come in and take over a dying company so they can blame her when it inevitably goes bankrupt.

>>723910125
>isn't exclusive
Did you see any Mario Kart 8 Deluxe on other platforms??

>>723910246
Do words even mean anything to you?

>>723909836
>out of touch
They were never "in touch", they just have infinite money to throw around. Merely because of statistics, at some point they get it right (usually aggravated when their competition does something particularly stupid: PS3 launch) and then they are seen as intelligent or with solid business decisions.

>>723908735 (OP)
Legit question, what exactly does this lady even do at her job?

>>723910356
>Mario Kart 8 is a 2014 kart racing game developed and published by Nintendo for the Wii U.

>>723910243
Shes only been president for 2 years though and only worked at xbox for 8

>>723910451
I said Mario Kart 8 Deluxe retard, can you read? Deluxe

>>723910125
>m-muh pii u
Pii U flopped + MK8D has more than twice the content of the original

>>723910448
Same thing most white men do at their corporate jobs: jack shit

>>723910556
>Pii U flopped
Suddenly exclusives don't matter huh?

>>723909091
If they shared a library you could just grab whichever one you prefer without being locked out of something you might want to play.
Old /v/ would think this is great news. PC was king and there would be just some light ribbing at console players. Not the absolute shitstorm console wars we get now. I remember hanging out in threads discussing some exclusives. Like people knew why they existed but bemoaned game not going miltiplat after a year or two. We didn't care too much what you played vidya on, just that you played vidya and wanted to share games with the people that didn't have access to them. Man. /v/ use to be rad.

>>723910416
I'd say they found their audience in the Modern Warfare era. But they fumbled when they chased the casual Wii audience.

WHERE IS PHIL?

>>723910539
>if you add a subtitle it becomes an new game
no

>Exclusives don't matter

>Look up any best games of all time list.
>Most of them either are or were exclusive at some point.

>>723910065
SEGA were up to their eyes in debt. Microsoft makes so much money with office subs and azure that even if they tasked every employee with burning piles of cash 8 hours a day they'd still be rich 10 years later.
For microsoft to have a serious problem everyone would have to switch to linux and everyone paying billions a year for cloud computing would have to go back to self host. It just ain't happening.

>>723908735 (OP)
It's true.
Exclusivity makes sense when different platforms have radically different microarchitectures and porting games is a pain in the ass. There's a reason why third party exclusivity was common in the past and nowadays nobody does it (unless they get a bag of cash from sony/microsoft).
In a world where the potential console userbase is limited and game budgets keep growing, exclusivity makes little sense.
Xbox Series has 30+ million units sold. If it had *amazing* games that you could only play on it, it'd be at maybe 40 something million by this point. It's just not enough.
PS5 is selling like hotcakes despite having the weakest exclusive lineup in PS history and their games being on PC. The average person just doesn't really care.

Nintendo can survive off exclusives currently because
>their hardware is much weaker, which means games developed from the ground up for it cost less to make
>most of their exclusive titles are very simple games, which means they are even cheaper than they otherwise would be
But even that won't last forever. With that being said, they're definitely going to be the last ones to abandon this model.

As far as I'm concerned, I welcome this. It's good to be able to play whatever I want wherever I want. In the future you'll be able to play any of the latest games on a desktop, laptop, console or handheld system. The choice is yours.

Exclusives games will be seen as bizarre by the average gamer, kinda like how if certain sony movies could only be watched on sony blu-ray players.

>>723908735 (OP)
Okay, I'll stay back here where the games are still good. Leave me behind. Easiest ultimatum of my life.

>>723908735 (OP)
>industry based on licensing fees
>n..no exclusives aren’t necessary in fact they’re archaic

>>723910676
It is sweetie :)

>>723910756
It is though. Xbox is dead. The consoles at least.
It is objectively dead, they have one more generational cycle left due to contractual obligations with AMD, but it's more likely to be a homegrown UMPC.

Not a Xbox fan but making masterchief multiplat would be criminal.
The character is green like the xbox, cortana is integrated in windows, why would they do this?

>>723910591
Pii U barely had exclusives, it went a whole year without any major exclusives and the first one it got was a NSMB-ified 3D Mario. No one wanted to buy a retarded tablet console when not even Nintendo bothered to put out anything worthwhile.

>>723910676
>an new game
SAAAAAAR

>>723910925
It had Mario Kart 8, which was actually exclusive then.

>>723910645
What I remember of old /v/ was "b-but PC is King!" cope every time a console got a game that they didn't. Then it was thread after thread of crying when 12 months later they get the "GOTY edition" on steam and it doesn't run on their 5 year old shitboxes.
It's poetic justice that all modern games are built for PC and backported to console that now nothing runs on anything less than a supercomputer and /v/ is even more butthurt.

>>723908735 (OP)
Nintendo says otherwise sweaty

>>723910672
They branched off Xbox into it's own department. He's still CEO of Microsoft Games but doesn't directly oversee xbox projects anymore.

>>723910761
>Nintendo can survive off exclusives currently because
And I forgot an important point:
Their games are the absolute most expensive in the industry despite being the cheapest to make. And loyal nintendo adults love to consoom. But once again, this won't last forever. In a few generations even their games will be too expensive to make and they'll be forced to put them elsewhere. Unless they just permanently stay with Switch 2 tier hardware, I guess lol

>>723910974
MK8 didn't come out until 2014 and by then it was too late, the Pii U had no momentum and was a confirmed flop, Nintendo had no faith in it and forced Smash 4 to be multiplat so they wouldn't lose money on it

>>723908735 (OP)
xbox is antiquated gottem

>>723910739
Smart kot

>>723910925
The same could be said for the switch. It really wasn't until Odyssey happened that people really took note and then it exploded in popularity. The difference mainly was that the switch was a good concept on its own and so the weak hardware wasn't a big deal. The WiiU's problem was that it was pissing in a pool dominated by the PS4 with hardware that couldn't even be described as 360+.

>>723910925
>he doesn't remember the months long seethe over Bayonetta 2

halo on ps5 is being announced this friday by the way

>>723911113
>goalposts
All I'm hearing is reasons why exclusives don't actually matter.

It's a good message from a pro consumer POV but horrible message if you're an xbox ceo. If you could play Mario Kart on a PS5 nobody would buy the Switch....

>>723908783
her clit is pretty small thobeit

>>723911252
The seethe was funny but it didn't save the Wii U. Meanwhile the multiplat machine PS4 thrived.

>>723910115
Maybe that would be true in the PS3 era but nowadays every console is just PC hardware with minor differences. Even single-dev indie games can port their game to consoles now.

>>723911026
>Their games are the absolute most expensive in the industry
arguing in bad faith are we?

Remember when they spent billions on COD so they could just sell it on PS5 and Steam.

>>723911554
Mario Kart World costs 90 euro where I live. The biggest AAA games on PS5 are 80.
But regardless, Nintendo games are crazy expensive for how much they cost to make. I react the same way to a Nintendo game priced at 90 euro as I would a hypothetical indie game priced at 90 euro. Makes me physically cringe

>>723908735 (OP)
Tell that to Nintendo who sells millions of consoles based entirely around exclusive. Retarded affirmative action bitch…

>>723908735 (OP)
If exclusives are dead then why doesn’t Nintendo go multiplat? Think of how well Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon would do on PC.

Reminder that this woman also works for Tyson food products, she's on the board.
That's how much she gives a shit about gaming.

>>723908735 (OP)
Nintendo won the switch era with only their exclusives, obviously the problem is the quality of said exclusives basically shinning for their lack of it.

>>723911880
Because Nintendo knows that PC cocksuckers who bitch about them 24/7 will buy their games anyways

They are like people who pretend tò dislike trannies publicly but secretly masturbate to them

>>723911884
She gives good head, no other qualification required.

>>723908735 (OP)
Agreed.

>>723909693
GRIM

>>723909693
Most of the exclusives were ported over time and exclusive once upon a time. That being said there are less of them being made in general due to larger development teams working on bigger projects.

>>723911884
>company known for fried chicken

yep, that checks out.

>>723912062
Nintendo also has brand recognization going back 40 years. Mario sells because it’s Mario.

>>723911427
Yes, but it was very much a coveted WiiU exclusive for several years.

>>723912297
PC MASTER RACE

>>723910739
Meaningless as multiplat development wasn't practical until ps3 and 360 era

>>723908735 (OP)
I never understood the hate for exclusives. It's not like you can actually play every game out there. You might as well pick one or two systems and only play games on that and who gives a shit if there's something other people are playing on another system. You don't HAVE to play everything other people are playing and you don't even have time to.

>>723912062
Nintendo also lost the N64, Gamecube and Wii U eras with nothing but excellent exclusives.

>>723912297
It’s even less than 18 because a handful of those games are really for PSVR 2 (which Sony didn’t even try to pretend was a success.)

>>723909091
They should both have zero exclusives. And in the future, that will be the case, as forcing arbitrary exclusivity has less and less roi as time goes on.

It's time to pull the plug on the life support. Sooner the better.

>>723908735 (OP)
They're saying that because Xbox lost the console war

>>723912835
>Nintendo also lost the N64, Gamecube and Wii U eras with nothing but the most overrated and bland games ever made

Ftfy

>>723913131
But enough about the Switch.

>>723908735 (OP)
I understand why companies would like exclusives but why do some players want them too? It's a strictly good thing for consumers if the same game is available on more platforms so you can play it on whatever system you have instead of needing to buy them all. Nobody but shareholders have anything to gain from games being exclusives.

>>723909981
Except this time the story ends with burning the tree to the ground.

>>723912853
>PSVR 2 has over 400 games including Microsoft flight simulator port in November
Damn, Jewtendo could learn a thing or two from Sony since they are keeping them alive with PSP games, Aniplex, Kadokawa and Crunchyroll.

>>723913250
Most of the Switch "exclusive" games are Wii U ports, which are bland and overrated :)

>>723913342
Granted.

>>723913376
Don't take it too personal sweetheart, it's just that those games were never good :(

>>723913281
Fanboyism is a hell of a drug.

>>723908735 (OP)
I guess I don't have to worry about missing out on Gears E-Day. assuming it's any good of course.

>>723913443
Wii U/Switch games? I'm not sure what point you're making any more.

>>723910761
>Nintendo can survive off exclusives currently because
They actually made better games than Sony/Xbox and always did

>>723910761
I don't particularly see how weaker hardware affects how much they spend to develop games. Like if they had the most powerful hardware, what is stopping them from still developing games with their usual range of budget. Like if Nintendo suddenly went multiplatform, they would still be deving with the same kind of budgets.

>>723912697
I never understood defending exclusives. Why do you like barriers that only exist to twist your arm into buying specific hardware?

Bond with Sarah pusy...

I didn't hear no bell

>>723908735 (OP)
Yeah, for PlayStation and Xbox, but I drop those losers years ago for Switch and Steam Deck. I'm not coming back.

>>723913287
Yeah Xbox is pretty much over as a brand, can't wait for that Halo on my PS5 while you seethe

>>723913542
Nintendo games tendie, they were never good. Im sorry to break your heart like that, you need to grow up :(

>>723908735 (OP)
When the fuck did Xbox have a president and when the fuck was it this bitch?

>>723908735 (OP)
There's too many fucking games nowadays. Nothing matters anymore.

>EGS tries to strongarm storefront exclusivity into the PC market
>EGS gets shat on and becomes the punching bag of storefronts
It's true, exclusives are retarded and always have been.

>>723908735 (OP)
She's kinda hot ngl

>>723908735 (OP)
>Exclusive games are "antiquated"
Right. Exclusivity sucks from a consumer's POV.
>People have grown way past the idea of exclusives
Wrong. The success of the competition (at least relative to Xbox) shows that.

I'd be fine with Xbox going multiplatform as long as they don't half ass it. Unfortunately if the Xbox Ally is the future of Xbox then Xbox is more doomed than it already is.

>>723908735 (OP)
>Exclusive games are antiquated
The exclusive games:

>>723913809
>while you seethe
Is that sarcasm or did you not understand my post?

>>723912206
That girl has the body type of the average Nintendo fan.

>>723909371
>removing competition is "anti-consumer"

Yeah, I can't wait to have one platform for the mediocre games that "game journalists" and social media shills tell me are really great.

Look at that fucking pokemon game. Lazy ass shit, looks like a junior college game-collab project that got a B on the final. You know why? Who can compete with the Pokemon brand juggernaut? Fucking no one. Eat the slop or you get nothing.

>>723908735 (OP)
Which is a good thing. Only tendies seem to disagree.

>>723908735 (OP)
>a black woman is speaking
I listen

>>723908735 (OP)
Is your contrarian retarded ass really going to pretend exclusivity is a good thing now? Yeah I fucking love missing out on games, it's the best.

>>723914153
I understood your post, and you're seething as hell

>>723914239
They aren't getting anything, as usual. They have to pretend Mario Kart World and Hyrule Warriors is anything worth a fucking shit

>>723909091
Has this dilemma ever happened in the history of videogames? Feels like it is a completely made up scenario.

>>723914356
I bought a PS4 over an Xbox because I wanted to play Journey.

>>723914239
With their peerless brand recognition and stable of high value IPs and mascot characters, Nintendo was always going to be the last man standing in this. But even they can fuck it up if they become too complacent. Time will tell

>>723908735 (OP)
I bought a One for Rare Replay and MCC you stupid bitch lmao

>>723910115
Anon, the only platform that still gets exclusives is nintendo and those games are really nothing to write home about.

>>723910356
I'm seeing it right now on my windows machine ready to play.

>>723914327
I'd legit kill myself If I was stuck with Playstation's ecosystem. It's all the same fucking garbage.

>>723914327
>make a snide reference to console exclusivity dying
>haha xbox is doomed bro u mad
Highest IQ consolenig

>>723914106
>Nintendo make the effort to throw a bone for niche franchises like Metroid, Bayonetta, Fire Emblem, etc, while also publishing new popular IPs like Astral Chain, Splatoon, etc.
>Sony, despite producing constant third person OTS slop, still make the effort to greenlight projects like Astro Bot to appease an audience they've never been able to capture as well as Nintendo.
>Xbox produces nothing but first person slop and rehashes, and the very moment someone makes a game that breaks that mold, they shut the whole studio down and lay off the devs
This is more than enough reason to hate Xbox.

>>723914491
>Few of the best games of all time are nothing special trust me

>>723914164
>competition is when the hardware you buy has less choices in games

>>723914323
This. Motherfuckers like tribalism more than they like videogames

>>723914835
>"nintendo exclusives aren't anything to write home about" is being "edgy"
Jesus you zoomers have diluted the meaning of every word.

>>723914417
Iirc there were still xbox exclusive games at that point, no?

>>723910029
Playstation still sells gangbusters, however.

>>723910562
Kek, true.

>>723908735 (OP)
Retarded take.
The success of Nintendo is build on exclusives.
Meanwhile Xbox is on its deathbed.

>>723914942
What an edgy boy, hating popular things will sure make you look interesting and smart at the eyes of other people!

>>723910243
>I’ve played Xbox for 12 years
Amazing, you got into xbox just as it was dying in a river of kinectslop, then saw how the platform got shittier year after year while becoming a laughing stock for everyone else. Didn't know people like you existed, what a sad existence.

>>723915117
xbox represents how worthless nintendo hardware would be by itself, even moreso given how it's closer to a fucking phone spec wise
consoles are a scam, an arbitrary licence for the selection of games you get

>>723908832
Pretty sure the last one was Ryze: Son of Rome on Xbox One
They completely dropped the idea of exclusives that generation, very publicly in fact

>>723914919
Yes.

When there's one platform with one game per month, what's their incentive to be "better"? That's what happened with the Atari 2600, it crushed Colecovision and Intellivision so hard it was the only console on the market and then their games went to absolute junk.

Sonic the fucking Hedgehog wouldn't exist unless there was a console war. Sega would have just stuck with Alex Kidd and released it on SNES.

>>723914835
>Mario Kart World
>Bananza
>Pokemon za
>>>Best games of all time
The things I have to read in this place.

>>723910243
I bailed out halfway through the Xbone. Why stick around?

>>723915273
the incentive for the studios is selling games and building reputation
i don't give a shit about your toybox console war competition, there's objectively more competition if each and every user has to choose from more games

>>723915325
>Donkey Kong Bananza is a bad game because i am a big boy and like big boy things!

>>723915117
Nintendo would make more money if they ditched their hardware and gimmick fetish and focused solely on the thing people actually give a shit about when it comes to Nintendo: Their high value IPs. Imagine if they reallocated all the resources and effort they use figuring out the next iteration of the GameBoy into just making the best Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon, etc. etc. and making them available to the largest market possible with no arbitrary console entry fee. You KNOW they'd make insane money compared to clinging on to that little scrap of power from controlling their own little closed ecosystem.

>>723915564
Who are you quoting?

>>723915028
Gangbuster tranny games.

>>723908735 (OP)
what's her foot game like?

>>723910115
I don't know m8, the more impressive games this gen are stuff like Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3 or Clair Obscur. They mog any Spider man or ghost of yotei

>>723915564
Why do people always accuse others of what they see in themselves? It's like clockwork. You're a nintendo adult, accept it, stop being mad because you feel called out.

>>723910645
Not a goddamn bit of that is true.

>>723909371
So, I guess Steam exclusives are anticonsumer, right, Xfaggot?

>>723909505
The only worthwhile exclusive on the Switch was Unicorn Overlord.

>>723915564
It's just a bad game regardless of your BBC.

>being able to play any game on any platform is...le bad
why does /v/ pretend to like exclusives? are you faggots actually just console warring retards?

>>723916257
Unicorn Overlord is an exclusive?

>>723916270
Of course they are, are you new?

>>723910668
The avatars were actually pretty decent because they got people hooked into the Xbox ecosystem through visual fluff, same way the Wii did with the Miis. Kinect was also trite but fun. It was much better than the PS Move at least.
After the 360 they did absolutely nothing with it though, even though the Xbox One shipped with the Kinect included they never used it at all. Avatars were buried deep in the app menus no one used. All that stuff became legacy by the time the Xbone came out, which shows just how confused Microsoft's strategy was at the time.

>>723916257
Retard-chama...

>>723916270
>Tranime
No one cares about what you say, japanese wannabe

>>723915117
The success of Nintendo is built on strong brands. They're making at least equal revenue from their products outside of video games without needing proof of hardware purchase to let you buy movie and theme park tickets. If they stopped making video games overnight, they'd still be profitable.

>>723916257
Unicorn Overlord its not on PC, therefore it fucking sucks

>>723916234
Yup. Fuck exclusives.

>>723916445
Anime website, you chinless turbofaggot.

>>723916234
nta but yes, what kind of question is that?

>>723916234
no one on steam gives a shit if console plebs can play their games
as long as we don't have to be exposed to your aim assist playing the game for you that is

>>723914819
This is the type of game that should have showed up on a Nintendo console, a Sega console, a PlayStation console, or Steam. Xbox never wanted something as good as this, they can go fuck themselves.

>>723916623
Not every game is made for you to play, you'll just have to accept it turd worlder

>>723916851
>Not every game is made for you to play
Wrong. Everything exists solely for my enjoyment, even you, clown.

>>723916851
consoles are made for third world mindsets
you don't like freedom, you don't like thinking, you just want to follow what big daddy corporation does

>retards complaining about this
you wanted le epic graphics, this is what you get, can't have your cake and eat it too.
>inb4 I didn't
hope all those "OH NO OH NO HAHAHAHA LOOK AT THIS TEXTURE BRO" threads were worth it.

Who the fuck is he talking to?

>>723915725
>if they ditched their hardware and gimmick fetish
Nintendo LITERALLY made the Nintendo Switch again but stronger and called it Switch 2. It's what ever single one of us wanted. A Nintendo Switch again with no gimmicks. What are you talking about with "gimmick fetish"?

>>723908735 (OP)
how long until jewtendo follow suit

>>723916623
Fuck you

>>723916696
Glad, your worthless console is dead

>>723916763
True but the success of Counter Strike 2 and DOTA proves that Microsoft is simply full of shit. Can't wait for Deadlock and Half-Life 3 also proving them wrong. Nintendo literally proves them wrong, Microsoft is simply sore losers.

>>723916912
>Everything exists solely for my enjoyment
You're just a basement dweller screeching on an imageboard, not the main character

>>723917034
Switch is the gimmickiest console nintendo ever made, are you retarded?

>>723912541
Microsoft had almost won the ps3/360 era with exclusives that people wanted to play even taking into account the xbox live gold sub for online, the problem is that they fumbled the xone release and didn't course correct the mistakes, they got flack for the discs being DRM'd and needing online, what did they do? Nothing. The console was overpriced thanks to forced kinect? Took a year to remove it. Needed to have games on the console to justify purchasing it? Proceeded to buy countless studios and publishers and then release a whooping amount of zero games or complete slop that no one likes, then they closed half the studios.
Plus, they made this new shit to boost their computer OS and now their games are day one on PC, basically making the console meaningless if you've got a computer.

>>723916851
TRVKE

>>723917034
>stronger
a $200 phone has a better screen and a battery with 90% of the capacity

>>723917034
This, plus the new Mouse Mode is a gimmick within itself. A stronger better Steam Deck 2 is also what I want from a Steam Deck successor, nothing really fancy. Hell, I hope they go for Zen 6, RDNA 3.5+ over RDNA 5.

I was such a big Xbox fan in the 6th and 7th gen. Didn't even care what people said. Loved that chunky beast. Raw power coming out it's asshole. Followed up with the GOAT60.

I get emails from Microsoft sometimes like "pls cum back" with my 15 years Xbox Live badge and it's just a tragedy how bad they fucked this.

>>723916851
Kek, spics and jeets keep seething

>>723916953
>consoles are made for third world mindsets
Third worlders can't even afford a console what a fuck are you talking about

>>723917114
It replaced old traditional consoles for me. I could never go back to Xbox or Playstation

>>723917376
third world mentality is being high time preference where the only thing you look at is upfront cost and ignore all the garnishing and lack of freedom associated with consoles

>>723917034
You think that erases years of Nintendo using their hardware to chase dumb ass gimmick controls and interfaces? Holy recency bias, Batman. Anyway you're missing the point: they should focus all energy on their main draw - their mascot IPs - and push them out to the largest market possible while saving the energy they use to research, reinvent and sell their hardware

>>723908735 (OP)
it is merely a coincidence that the console with the most exclusives wins every generation goyim, consume multiplats

>>723917114
The ability to play games on the go or on your TV isn't a "gimmick" it's a preferred and winning feature that now every other company is trying to copy because it's a smart idea. Stop being upset that Nintendo did something right again just because you hate them.
>>723917182
Have fun with Mario Kart World, Donkey Kong Bananza, Kirby Air Riders, and Metroid Prime 4 on you $200 phone.

>>723917081
>Glad, your worthless console is dead
I don't have an xbox you weird motherfucker

>>723917081
Fuck you too, faggot. But fuck exclusives even more.

>>723917575
the point is that fucking chinks can put more into their one time sale with a fucking phone than nintendo can when they profit way more per customer
why are you defending being sold actual fucking garbage

>>723917481
>Freedom is when I have to muck around in settings and pray for drivers working
No thanks

>>723909091
battered wife syndrome

>>723917575
>it's not a gimmick if I like it
switchfags are embarrassing. I can't even call you tendies

>>723917536
It's Sony and Xbox that needed to get the fuck out of hardware because they added nothing with their controllers/consoles

>>723917729
Sounds like you're just bad at being free. No wonder you love your shackles, don't have to think for yourself as much

>>723913618
Budgets increase every generation. This is true for Nintendo as well. You don't see Switch 2 games with Wii level graphics. Well, other than Pokemon that is.

>>723917672
>why are you defending being sold actual fucking garbage
You've never touched a Switch 2. If you really think the Switch 2 is "actual fucking garbage" on the same level as knockoff Chinese phones, you don't know what you're talking about at all. Leave.

>>723915269
>Ryze
it was pretty good for what it was I would definitely play more games like these TODAY.

>>723917729
so you admit you want daddy corpo watching over you because choice is worthless to you?
you're like a fucking zoo animal, all you want to do is eat the slop and sleep

>>723917835
Onions ass response.

>>723917729
And this is what makes one a third worlder.

>>723917832
>because they added nothing with their controllers
odd thing to add, playstation is the only one doing anything interesting with controllers these days

>>723917843
$200 phones come with oleds
switch 2 comes with a really shitty and ghosting ips
$200 phones come with 18wh batteries
switch 2 comes with a 20wh battery
again, why is nintendo giving the user a worse experience despite profiting way more off them?

>>723917832
And Nintendo's retarded gimmick peripherals add so much more?

>>723908735 (OP)
it's going to be more about timelocked exclusives which they've been doing for awhile now or pushing for better "optimization" on their preferred platform etc
cutting deals and all that jazz

a good example is GTA VI has a major marketing deal with sony so most console cucks for that game will be on PS5 100%

>>723908735 (OP)
>Open Xbox thread
>Look inside
>Talking about Nintendo
Rent fucking free

>>723917848
They went way too overboard with the color matching combat but id argue everything around that was actually pretty great. Really liked the ending of the game. Most hype slow walk hallway of all time.

>>723917914
lol I'm from the most first world part of the world, inconvenience isn't a sign of some incredible intellect you faggot redditor

>>723917836
I'm less concerned about budgets than development times. You can go a whole generation and get like one game in a franchise. Nintendo is as bad as the rest with this.

>>723917909
I accept your concession.

>>723918109
You sound like a huge faggot and you're morbidly obese

>>723917863
Yeah we know you want to fuck dudes, don't need to be that oddly specific

>>723908735 (OP)
She's unironically right.
The walled garden pattern of consoles is antiquated as an idea especially in a world where having your games available on as many platforms as possible is becoming the norm.

>>723918027
Which phone is this?

>>723918063
This is about console exclusivity in general, no one gives a wobbly green fuck about Xbox, what year do you think it is?

>>723918036
All of the benefits it adds? Yeah, that's partly why their platform has become so strong. If someone is in hardware and they only copy like Sony they're always gonna be second and not market leader like Nintendo.

I ain't reading the thread but basically there's no point to having a console if it doesn't have exclusives. full stop. if exclusives are antiquated, then so are consoles.

>>723918198
>loses argument because he's too stupid and incompetent to value freedom
>deflects to gay sex
you could've just stopped responding and it would've been a more graceful exit you clown

>>723918043
It won't be any different than RDR2. It'll come out, it's overrated as shit, nobody fucking talks about it again except people posting horse balls over and over.

>>723918217
>my shitty exclusives can't sell consoles or enough copies on one platform due to budgets, but this is not my fault it's just how it is

>>723918186
Absolutely seething

>>723917121
Microsoft fumbled the Xbox 360 in 2009 when they felt the Xbox was an all-in-one entertainment hub because people watched Netflix on it. They tried and failed to get the Wii audience with Kinect and it blew up in their faces by the Xbone. Phil Spencer would then take over and screw up his subscription gamble with monopolistic acquisitions.

>>723918278
No shit?

>>723918243
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=%24200+phone
take your pick
pretty much all of them have oleds and 5000mah batteries

>>723918354
Not at all. I'm just saying how people perceive you.

>>723917584
>>723917629
Go die in your third world shitholes.

>>723917863
>Corporations cocksucker, unlike me, the guy discussing about an entertainment product created by corporations on an imageboard dedicated to it

You are a tool

>>723909091
Why would you buy any console?

>>723918217
>Sh-She's right
Sure, she is, Jez Corden, now back to eating your beans.

>>723918089
>problem solving is soooooo inconvenient
Okay, subhuman.

>>723918428
the CEO wouldn't agree. she'd say xbox as a console is fine without its own library of exclusives. these are the type of people who don't want you to own anything, they just want you to pay a continuous subscription for access.

>>723918520
You know this faggot has a gabe altar

>>723918549
You know what I posted is true. Weird behavior arguing against it.

>>723918278
Close. If it doesn't have GOOD exclusives that would have their experience dramatically lessened if played on any other platform. You can have all the exclusives in the world, but if they are all on the level of Redfall or something, it doesn't matter. Also, if your game could be played just as well on another platform but it's exclusive due to some sort of contractual agreement rather than hardware limitations or unique hardware features being integral to the gameplay, that game is leaving money on the table.

>>723918552
Get a job instead.

>>723918520
your console is completely controlled by a corporation and if you try to change that you get it banned off the internet and you defend it because you want the security of not seeing BIG SCAWY MENUS

>>723918648
No indian ever said the truth

>>723918262
>All of the benefits it adds?
That being??
>that's partly why their platform has become so strong
No it isn't. It's all built on the back of their IPs. Their hardware hasn't mattered for decades, and outside of the original gameboy their gimmicks have always been mediocre and abandoned or even outright failed experiments like the Virtual boy

>>723918278
consoles are a scam for stupid people that can't read the fine print who want to argue about an arbitrary exclusivity of software

>>723918703
The funny thing about you is that you assume people don't have consoles and PCs. It's typical of gay retards like you. You have restricted yourself more than the people you accuse.

>>723918648
If it were true, Xbox wouldn't be dead right now, Microsoft are a bunch of losers who failed in both the console and PC space.

>>723918448
NTA, but I wouldn't trust a chink phone for that price with those "marquee features". Something's wrong with that, but you can be the guinea pig.

>>723918769
Delusional takes. Xbox/Sony lost because they never experimented and never innovated. A console company needs to innovate to stay ahead and be first.

>>723918703
I assume you built your PC components yourself with 3D printer instead of buying them, you surely don't want to be exposed as a corporation cocksucker who buys Nvidia GPUs don't you?

>>723918919
>Delusional takes
If you say so. You're wrong, no one loves Nintendo for their hardware, but you can keep saying it.

>>723918954
You can tell it's a newfag who didn't have to deal with how dogshit PC gaming was 20 years ago.

>>723914049
Sony's success is mainly driven by multiplats

>>723919051
20 years ago consoles also weren't shit. What's your point?

>>723909091
what two consoles with the same price and performance are you referring to? the affordable portable one that's a generation behind technology-wise, or the two that are roughly the same tech-wise but one that's unnecessarily more expensive than the other?

>>723919004
>no one loves Nintendo for their hardware
But they do now and they say so all the time online, especially once you get out of the delusional Sony fanboy forums.
People repeatedly say they're not gonna buy Xbox/Playstation again BECAUSE of Nintendo. After all if you want power there's PC so they always only had their exclusives and now that's gone

>>723908735 (OP)
Xbox: Death by a thousand DEI hires

>>723918873
>just be the best goy idort and buy redundant hardware when you have something more powerful already because otherwise a corporation will be sad
fuck off

>>723919241
lmao freedom suddenly isn't important

It's sad how outright DESPERATE some of you are to turn this into a console war thread even as video game consoles as an idea burn down around you. Fuck Xbox, fuck PlayStation, and (eventually, God willing) fuck Nintendo's plastic shit too. Do you not understand? We will dance on ALL of their graves. They'll go the way of Blockbuster or the Horse and buggy, a once great institution reduced to a mere curiosity, you're shitflinging eachother at a fucking FUNERAL

>>723919178
This is my first generation of having no console at all simply because I was one of the 3 people in the world who didn't want just a Nintendo Switch again as their new console. I already had a PC before this since I was PC + Nintendo + retro/classics, but as of now I'm just PC + retro/classics. Honestly I don't need the Switch 2 and have no desire for the PS6 or the Xbox console/PC hybrid.

>>723918954
what retarded asspull is this?
no one can tell you what to do on your pc while console corpos will ban you for it

>>723919346
freedom to buy redundant inferior console garbage?
how about freedom to not do that and telling the consolewarring corpo kikes to eat shit?

>>723919082
>multiplats
They come to PC, not to Xbox or Switch. Xbox games are on PlayStation.

>>723919393
>you will own nothing and you will be happy

>>723919393
>It's sad how outright DESPERATE some of you are to turn this into a console war thread even as video game consoles as an idea burn down around you. Fuck Xbox, fuck PlayStation, and (eventually, God willing) fuck Nintendo's plastic shit too. Do you not understand? We will dance on ALL of their graves. They'll go the way of Blockbuster or the Horse and buggy, a once great institution reduced to a mere curiosity, you're shitflinging eachother at a fucking FUNERAL

>>723908735 (OP)
It's working out for Nintendo not so much for Xbox

>>723913281
My only point of contention is pc and console fps games and other such situations where the control scheme of the pc is strictly superior to the console, resulting in consoles needing genre-degrading garbage like fps aim assist to be able to compete. I would be totally okay with consoleniggers being isolated from pc because my own pc gaming experience is worsened for their presence.

That only goes for multi-player though, there's nothing saying the same game couldn't be on a pc and console just with exclusive multiplayer.

>>723919438
>no one can tell you what to do on your pc
>Buys digital licences which can be revoked at any time

>>723919609
Wouldn't have to worry about that if you had the brains to just steal shit and "optionally donate" to show appreciation, if need be

>>723919393
>Do you not understand? We will dance on ALL of their graves
Im pretty much sure that Nintendo will outlive (you)

>>723919737
if i were you i wouldn't be speaking about brains

>>723919646
case in point

It’s hilarious that this only happened because of Sony. If they didn’t make more on other consoles than those consoles own first party titles this would have never been the case. Same with dogshit that lied to investors like Fortnite, which Sony fell for. It’s good to see the market recovering from niggardry, well except for this nigger, who ran her company into a wall

>>723919820
If you were me, you'd have some to speak of. Retard.

>>723919724
by who? valve? fat fucking chance
even then i can unrevoke those games by just pirating
valve knows they compete with piracy, hell they fuel it with their extremely shallow drm that gets bypassed by replacing one file
consoles are complete dictatorships by contrast

In case you haven't figured it out yet, the reason for this is taxes.
When Microsoft makes a huge loss on Xbox, they can deduce the amount lost from the tax they pay on their profit. This results in higher profits for Microsoft as long as Xbox is losing more money on paper than it is worth.
Microsoft is simply a leader in tax refund capitalism. The only other company that I know is on the cutting edge of this new industry is Klarna, a financing business that made billions in loss and then started to sell the loss as an asset that allows other corporations to pay less tax if they buy some of the loss.

>>723919892
takes money to make games, dummy

>>723915370
Sunken cost fallacy. I own over 2400+ games (some of which are collections) so I’m not interested in buying a new system when I have all the games I could play. Plus, as gay as this sounds, but Xbox was fun! I have achievements that I cherish.

>>723919924
>even then i can unrevoke those games by just pirating
You can't unrevoke the money you spent on them, unlike console games that you can resell

>>723919812
They will, but they'll be Japanese Disney. They won't be worried about making video games, since they'll be making movies, selling merchandise, maybe TV shows and managing theme parks and such. They'll shit out a Mario and Zelda game to keep the 50+ year olds (by that point) happy, but nobody else will care that much.

>>723919940
Doesn't Amazon have negative tax some years? They get paid by you while making record profits.

>>723920162
i don't need a rebate on a hobby this cheap lmao
love how you didn't address any of it, it always comes down to your reddit plastic with you consolecucks

>>723920163
Japanese disney is just going to be disney's local japanese branch after the main business goes bankrupt. Every other business has done exactly this.

>>723908735 (OP)
chances this black woman obtained her position based on merit? I'm thinking 0%

I’m amazed everyone is ignoring the plain fact that Nintendo is going mobile-only as soon as possible

They literally already release more mobile games than regular games, first party. You people are complete retards

>>723919996
Reading comprehension.
>and "optionally donate" to show appreciation

>>723908735 (OP)
Japan won.

>>723920163
>they'll be
They already are, it was Nintendo main purpose since Super Mario Bros. came out

>>723918919
This, Power isn't everything, if you don't build things for exclusive tech in your hardware including controls, the end result is going third party while offering nothing. Glad Nintendo and Valve are about to completely own this industry.

>>723920318
they've already gone handheld-only

>>723920327
yea i had a bit of a chuckle at that
do you still live with your parents or something?
anyway, you're a goddamn retard and it's a good thing no one listens to the likes of you

>>723919004
I do though, seeing what cool features a console can do is what makes it special. PS5 only does that a little and I wish they do more of it, Microsoft stopped doing it with the Xbox Series consoles and that's why they died first. Fucking Sega knew to do this with their final console, yet Microsoft cared so little about their console that they couldn't even make any games that could ONLY be done on Xbox, what a joke of a company.

>>723920350
If Nintendo brought back the Super Mario Show and the Legend of Zelda show, they'd be hits. Nintendo is also at a point where they could just re-release their games on mini-consoles similar to how they were doing with the NES and SNES Mini from now on and they'd be set for decades.

>>723910029
you're not wrong anon. The PS5 is the first Playstation I don't own and I have no intention of ever getting one or a PS6 whenever that is a thing. Fucking pointless.
The vast majority of games worth playing are also on the PS4 anyway as well.

>>723919082
That come to PC, at least in the past, they had exclusives you couldn't get anywhere else giving you a reason to get the stupid box, now they have nothing too.

>>723920435
Projection. Just keep seething, faggot. It's all you can do since thinking's clearly not your strong suit.

Lack of exclusives is what killed the Xbox brand. They don't appeal to power gamers because anything you can play on an Xbox you can play on a PC, and they don't appeal to couch gamers because PS4 has everything it can play PLUS exclusives. Valuable exclusives are why Nintendo thrives while the others struggle to survive.

>"One mark of a good computer is the appearance of a piece of software specifically written for that machine that does something that, for a while at least, can only be done on that machine."

>>723919393
Microsoft killed the Xbox, they deserve all the hate they can get, PlayStation is next. You're either on Nintendo and/or Steam or you can fuck right off.

>>723920435
>when you get so mad you start reddit spacing

>>723910645
Old/v/ was retarded. They unironically cheered at woman protagonists and dei shit back then. There is nothing value to be gained from them except some memes.

And ancient /v/ disagrees with you entirely.

>>723920509
>Fucking Sega knew to do this with their final console

>>723920718
that isn't reddit spacing you fucktard

>>723908735 (OP)
Just buy a steam deck 2.

Console gaming is dead as fuck.

>>723910645
Fuck off, exclusives are king, consoles killed the Crysis IP you exclusive-hating faggot. If you were a real PC gamer, you would know that, that's why the Steam Deck and upcoming Steam console are/will be great because of PC exclusives/Steam exclusives that you can't play anywhere else.

>>723920875
When Sega ported their Dreamcast games to other consoles, they broke. Those games were made for the Dreamcast. When Microsoft ported their Xbox Series games over to other platforms, they looked and played better on those other platforms than they did on Xbox. How do you fuck up this hard?

>>723920898
ok
I believe you
it's not reddit spacing at all

>>723908735 (OP)
That looks like a black woman who hates niggers. Is she single?

>>723920941
exclusives are king for the shareholders of console corpos, not you the customer
laziness and incompetence killed crysis
no one is playing typical pc exclusive shit like strategy games on a fucking deck, the ui wasn't made for that

>>723908735 (OP)
>Gamers are dead - 2014
>White people are worthless - 2009
You white incels need to stop giving money to people that insult you.

>>723908735 (OP)
xbox is so fucking dead sony and nintendo won, thank god i play on PC i would be fucking pissed if i was a xbox fanboy

>>723921047
>When Sega ported their Dreamcast games to other consoles
Gee I wonder why they did that. I could play with that little controller memory card mini-handheld thing all day

>>723921047
Sega ported all their games to the fucking xbox because microsoft provided their arcade hardware and sega wanted to get out of home console hardware themselves
The xbox is literally dreamcast 2
AND the xbox did the most things out of any console until steam decks came out (if you modded it) (everyone modded it)

No it's a cope because Microsoft has completely mismanaged their IP and failed as a platform holder.
SONY has the exact same problem, but not to the extent of Microsoft.
Nintendo hardware sells because of their software, you do not buy a Nintendo console if you dislike their in house developed software.
Same cannot be said about SONY & Microsoft.
Fucking big corp frauds that have been in the industry for 30-20 year and fuck all to show. This is why I preferred SEGA because they made their own software.

>>723914491
>pretending that battle network wasn't a success that was only ruined by Capcom's greed
>not acknowledging the dip in quality between OG Crash Bandicoot trilogy and the remaster
>DMC 3 and KH2 are in the few category of games which allow the players to chain attacks in a satisfying manner
>inb4 cherry picked examples
>inb4 moving the goalpost

>>723920941
Being PC exclusive alone isn't what gave Crysis the reputation it had. It's because it pushed the PC's hardware to the point not even more PC's available could run it. Let alone the consoles. It used the PC hardware and utilized PC specific features. Do that shit now and everyone will complain and cry that the game shouldn't be made because it's "unplayable", "broken", "unoptimized" and all that. It's bomb and get shit on so hard it would not only kill any chance of the company making another game like it, but it probably costs them so much to make it that having it fail would risk said company going bankrupt.

Again simply being only available on the platform isn't enough and never has been.

>>723921191
>2014 - game journos collectively shitting down gamers' throats
>2009 - Obama and his thugs insulting every white person that disagrees with blacks
>All leading to Trump becoming president just to undo all that psychological damage these fucktards did to America.
There I completed it for you anon.

>>723921324
Then your retards should of bought the dream cast.

>>723921324
Sony is the best out of all 3, make exclusives to sell consoles, then port them to PC 2 years later or when the sequel comes out for your console they are based as fuck, nintendo are faggots, microsoft are retarded

consoles are for afordability, ease of use and timed exclusivity, microsoft do none of these things

they say exclusives are dead because their consoles dont sell, they are retarded enough to think sony and nintendo will copy them and make their games go on their platform then they essentially lost to a corpo that is trying to netflix gaming fuck these niggers seriously i wish them death

>>723921450
>to the point not even more PC's available could run it
*most. Not "more".

The future of gaming is phones. Not steam decks, PC,switch's,or PC console hybrids.

But you guys aren't ready for this conversation.

>>723921486
Most people fell for mumbo jumbo fake news tier marketing Saddam Hussein bought PS2 to develop WMD and Toy Story graphics.

>>723921769
why would i want to play games on a 5w device?
if anything proton will be on steam but that'll just be an extension of it where you still play anything that requires any precision or concentration on a dedicated machine

>>723921916
proton will be on mobile just be a low power extension of steam

>>723921107
It's king for the consumer and allows every part of the PC and console to be used over things being dumbed down for everything. Typical that a non-gaming Xbot/Snoy would advocate for games becoming more soulless like their pieces of worthless plastics.

>>723921240
>xbox and playstation are so fucking dead pc and nintendo won
Correction

>>723921521
Sony started doing that because they lost the console wars.

>consoles are for afordability, ease of use and timed exclusivity
Literally nobody said the last part ever. They're just copying the Sony shill talking points

>>723921769
I already know it is. "Uncs" are the only ones still talking about consoles anymore, Gen Z and older Gen A are going to be the PC/Phone generation, and the generation one after that is going to be playing games on their whatever their phones look like by then, XR goggles (that'll finally no need the little battery with them), AR glasses and things like this. PCs will still be a thing though and will still be used for games, they'll just take a backseat to these while will end up being the majority by comparison (specifically for buying and playing games). That's what I think anyway.

>>723921450
>Being PC exclusive alone isn't what gave Crysis the reputation it had
The console versions literally had gutted features

>>723922168
i have a 5700x3d 9070xt pc that will become a 11800x3d 11090xtx pc next year you fucking cretin
there is no soul behind exclusivity, it's an artificial limitation that has no actual impact on the games, all you have to defend it is fucking vibes like you're a 20 something woman into astrology

exclusives were always fucking retarded.

they benefit corporations trying angles for more money and sales, but only ever made shit worse for actual players.

>>723922198
>Sony started doing that because they lost the console wars.
????? they have all market share to the point microsoft is out of the race what do you mean they lost lmfao

>>723922168
playstation has sold more than its previous consoles

>>723922354
Correct, because console hardware couldn't handle everything the PC version could and just "turning down the graphics a little" wouldn't be enough, so they had to cut features and cut corners to get it to work. That's an example of an exclusive that made sense because it literally benefitted from using the hardware PC had available and utilized features that literally could not happen on the consoles available.

>>723922468
>what do you mean they lost
What part don't you understand?

>>723922671
>does nothing
lol
they seethe about any and all attempts of trying to liberate their games from shit hardware despite raking in record profits

>>723922651
i just asked you what do you mean they lost? they have the biggest market share with home console, nintendo has it for portable console, you want the most powerful console you get a PS5 not a xbox, they got BTFOD so hard they are out here saying exclusives dont matter and sticking a xbox logo on a fucking rog ally, sony just took whatever market share microsoft had over these past few months with their retardation with gamepass tell me what you mean because i have no clue, i play on PC and this shit is obvious to me

>>723908735 (OP)
Does this mean that Xbox will finally make games again now?

>>723921769
No one gives a shit about phones, only women play that shit. Phones aren't a part of the equation, future of PC gaming is ease of use thanks to the Steam home console and Steam Deck 2, and the future of console gaming is hybrid Switch 2 console.

>>723922823
It's a hybrid console and Nintendo is doing way better than Sony's doing right now. Your imaginary stuff isn't reality.

>>723922884
Both SONY and Microsoft are dogshit platform holder, incapable of developing software.
They could buy every game developer in the world and they would dissolve the studio 5 years after founding/acquisition

>>723922312
>they'll just take a backseat to these while will end up being the majority by comparison (specifically for buying and playing games)
I think I zoned out typing that, sorry.

"They'll (PC) take a backseat to these (phone, goggles, etc) which will end up being the majority by comparison (specifically for buying and playing games)."

>>723922780
>liberate
Theft isn't liberation. Just say you want to play it for free. I won't judge.

>>723922468
>playstation has sold more than its previous consoles
It hasn't even outsold the PSP, lol

>>723922367
Fuck you, I want games made for keyboard, mouse, and PC hardware again, not dumb down for a fucking Xbox controller.

There was nothing they could do to fully come back from Don’s fuckup and /v/ knows this. Their only major fuck up was losing Japan, the series s is more desirable for a lot of them than a bulky pc, but a lot of weeb mutiplats skipped one and series in favour of ps, switch, and steam, becoming a major “publisher” is them having a leg up on Sony and Nintendo by getting their foot in the door first

>>723909371
Exclusives are pro-consumer as they are the vehicle for competition and brand new niches forming on platforms to allow developers that otherwise wouldn't have had a chance to find success now find it due to a market that has opened. If it weren't for the Playstation 4 having a dearth of titles at a certain point, having an established niche of Japanese game lovers and RPG lovers, and already established brands on that platform then series like Yakuza, Nier, Digimon, and Persona never would have exploded to the degree they did with 0, Automata, Cyber Sleuth, and 5. The only reason many normalfags even know these games exist now is solely because of the PS4 and only the PS4.

Also, to preempt you bringing up Yokoyama saying 0 PC is when they realized Yakuza was when the series got big; they literally rushed the localization of games immediately after 0 and K1 on PS4 got released due to the surge in sales and focus, directly stated 3R-5R only exist because of new fans, and they gushed at how incredible 6 was doing in the west. Yokoyama is constantly wrong on everything he recalls despite being there while these events were taking place.

The only people who think exclusives are bad for the consumer are people who refuse to buy or can't afford the extra platforms to be an idort. It is objectively a good thing for exclusives to exist and by removing them from the equation you make it significantly harder for any developers to even find their footing. It's why devs releasing everything on every platform are a bad thing for everyone as now everyone has to compete with everyone instead of in their own smaller groups. It's why when the Switch came out indie developers found significant success they couldn't get on Steam because they had the niches and visibility an empty eShop and brand new console afforded them.

Exclusives, be it on console or PC, are objectively good for the consumer.

>>723908735 (OP)
Fucking finally. Exclusives were retarded.

>>723922635
Fuck Crytek for killing any innovation that could have went into the sequels by bending over for Xbox 360 and PS3.

>>723923017
i would pay for them had nintendo offered them natively and weren't throwing bitchfits about emulation
they deserve to have their shit emulated with how poor the paying customer experience is

>>723908989
Exactly the tone I got from xbox desperate dying scream

Friendly reminder to filter tripfags, they are almost invariably retarded and contrarian attention whores

>>723922960
>It's a hybrid console
nigger its a rog ally with a xbox logo on it, its a fucking portable PC with a shitty UI programmed onto it thats worse than launchbox and playnite and they are both free its so fucking bad it takes 2 hours to install all the shit on it when you first get the rog not only that when you are on the "xbox mode" you still hear windows noises thats right you know the windows pop up noises you hear on pc when you get a update? nigger that pops up whilst you are in the menu, you then have to do all the settings in game like its a PC there is no such thing as hybrid its a rog ally protable PC with a Xbox sticker on it lmfao holy shit the cope is unreal

>>723922780
>they seethe about any and all attempts of trying to liberate their games from shit hardware
Will you agree if someone forces you to get outside of your house against your will because one day they woke up and decreed that it is the right thing to do?

>>723923054
They could have and they almost did when the Series X announcement in 2019, Phil just kept fucking up in 2020 and the ABK deal was the last straw. He was a retard and blaming Donny boy is just an excuse for a guy who isn't a real gamer.

>>723923045
there's nothing stopping consoles from requiring mouse and keyboard support for more complex pc games, just put that on the box and let the consolecucks cope
you're barking up the wrong tree with this

>>723923190
I was obviously talking about NS1/NS2. I agree Xbox lost but Sony lost too. Their live service play, their games just didn't sell consoles which is why they came to PC in the first place.

>>723923189
I rather filter exclusive-hating commies instead

I don’t understand why pc faggots are so triggered by the idea of a console-hybrid. The Xbox was going to fully run Windows before the scaled it back and Bill Gates lost his shit, ps2 was being called “a pc for the living room” and started Xbox in the first place. We’ve been trying to get here for two decades

>>723923361
I'd

>>723923317
I rather Nintendo have unique controls and Valve make controls for PC. Just let PlayStation and Xbox die already, I'm tired of them both shitting up gaming with their filth.

>>723908735 (OP)
She's pretty hot for someone who is approaching 50 years old. Black don't crack

>>723923364
>I don’t understand why pc faggots are so triggered by the idea of a console-hybrid.
They don't really. It's just that Valve hasn't made one yet

>>723923349
no they double dip their game sales why the fuck wouldnt you resell your game when its at its last legs in game sales 2-3 years later for full price its a win win your players dont care they already played it they say enjoy it pc players we got the sequel now sony makes millions more each time they do it, they are making more money now than they ever have they are not losing anything

Imagine fumbling this

>>723923364
Console hybrid already exist with the Steam Deck, and will exist again with the Steam Fremont, all because of SteamOS. What is Microsoft even doing?

>>723923189
>contrarian
Please, do tell me what's contrarian about that statement and actually attack my argument instead of me. Please explain why exclusives are anti-consumer when the only way they can possibly be anti-consumer is that they force you to buy a different platform completely ignoring every other positive aspect that being exclusive brings to people.

Multiple brands would not exist if not for niches that formed on platforms. Many Japanese games and series would literally not exist if not for the Vita and only the Vita due to the niche groups it fostered like VNs and DRPGs at a time where they couldn't find anywhere else to flourish. The only reason Souls games as a brand and a game type exist at all is because From Software had the Japanese fanbase on the PS3 to rely on allowing them to take a chance at making a game targeted at that niche and it succeeded leading to the million + sales it had without even leaving Asia.

It is insane to me that this myth of it being anti-consumer exists when stopping and using your brain for two seconds would show you all the positives it brings to you as a consumer.

>>723923364
Because we need a "multimedia system" from Sony as much as we need a VCR that also supports betamax

>>723923364
literally no one is
that shit would undercut the prices of pc hardware

>>723923227
retarded analogy
nintendo is like a cinema that bans outside food because they're insecure about the quality of their garbage

This is pure cope, but a natural response to having every "exclusive" you can muster over the course of 11 years be met with a resounding fart noise.

>>723923501
Losing out on millions of people leaving Playstation forever to get some people buying games on Steam sales is peanuts, man.

>>723923060
Are you implying it's good for there to be no backwards compatibility (and therefore a "dearth of titles")? lol
Do keep in mind that there is much, *much* greater variety of games and game genres on PC, an open platform.
There is a much greater diversity of games

>>723923137
Can't argue with you on this and I agree. But I'll ask, in today's era of video games, could a game like Crysis really make it? If a game requires anything more than a 1080TI, the game runs the risk of being destroyed for being unplayable and unoptimized and sales take a drastic hit alone with a tanked reputation. Imagine if they released a game that basically required you to have at least a 4070 Super to run just from all the things it's doing and actually used KBM to the point where trying to condense it to console ruins the gameplay experience. All of the Youtube influencers and streamers should have a field day crying and whining their asses off about it. THAT would prevent anyone else in the industry from trying anything and I think studios know that.

>>723908735 (OP)
>tfw remember seeing a post ten years ago where an anon was making a comparison about like if suddenly Star Wars became exclusive to Disney's retarded paid service at the time as to exemplify how fucking godawful exclusives are as a concept
>It not only happened but is now the norm for TV

>>723923564
Funny, I don't recall mentioning you in my post. Interesting that you'd immediately assume I was talking about you, when I mentioned contrarian retarded hot takes. Thanks for the short story, I'll be sure to read it right after I update my filters.

>>723923718
>retarded analogy
>Makes a food analogy
Jesus fucking christ

>>723923831
Probably not, but they don't need to base it on power, base it on Keyboard and Mouse, the Steam Deck's controls, and Valve's Ibex Controller controls.

>>723923767
that was after 1 year of sale for most of them, lets say they are all around 8-10 million sold by now and still rising, they are also on gog being sold too if you forgot that then add all those 60-30$ x 10million each excluding sackboy and black woke version of spiderman then you see the bigger picture and no, no one left sony because you sold some old ass game on steam dumbass

>>723923831
>condense it to console ruins the gameplay experience
By that I also mean moving from KBM to the gamepad input. Just for clarification.

>>723922884
course not

>>723923572
No it wouldn't. Its never going to be as good as independent pieces. Most people buy pre builds and call it a day.

I just don't see pc culture coming together for one thing ever.

>>723923931
it's not a food analogy, it's a competition analogy
nintendo can't compete with fucking emulation because of how bad their native hardware and experience is

>>723908735 (OP)
Yeah, my game is multiplatform
Linux, Mac, and Windows

>>723924197
>mac
i can't imagine anyone dealing with making games for armshit

>>723924197
Microshit plan to change that. Windows 11 tries to erase non windows partitions

>>723923956
They don't even need to base it on "Steam Deck" anything. Just KBM would be enough. But that alone would mean the game might be borderline unplayable for people who are used to gamepads and playing on their Xbox controllers and DualShocks/DualSense. The complaint would be the controls are too complex and cumbersome for the experience to "really shine". It would get picked up as the main talking point that's thrown around everywhere and the game would struggle.

I'm sorry for being so pessimistic.

>>723924006
Still peanuts, losing out on millions people not buying Playstation again, no PS+, no accessories, no buying games on Playstation again. Without exclusives HW sales will continue to go down.

Asked Gemini to create an Xbox exclusive and it shat this out. I'm pretty satisfied, because this is exactly what the problem is. Microsoft's exclusives simply can't complete with the gravitas and whimsy of PlayStation and Sony.

>>723924502
>losing out on millions people not buying Playstation again,
show me sony losing millions of people and ill show you the millions they are making in profit more than they did the year prior to prove you wrong

>>723921769
>Only able to play with an awkward and unresponsive touch screen
>Entire ecosystem is composed of predatory gacha and timegating systems and shovelware meant to trick children
N o

>>723924548
I meant to say Nintendo and Sony.

>>723908735 (OP)
She has no fucking idea on what she's doing. Microsoft bought out very large third party devs and all they did was layoffs.

Nintendo is currently at their most profitable because of their EXCLUSIVES.

You never hear about industry layoffs at Nintendo's core developers.

Did you know that competition can't exist without exclusive ecosystems? If two toy makers sell their respective toys in the same store, that destroys competition. If you don't have to go across town to a whole different store to buy one or the other the toymakers will have no incentive to improve their craft at all!

What's that? Such a situation only benefits the store owners and has nothing to do with the toys themselves? Nonsense! Silly boy, going to a different location to get the special exclusive toy makes all the difference, why, without these merchants I bet toys would cease to exist entirely! Why, you ask? Because it's always been this way, it just works and it always will.

>>723924587
Sony themselves said they would outdo the PS4 so it looks like you don't know anything. They're still 2 million behind.

>>723910029
>not that many people are willing to buy an entire console for 1-3 games
Erm…nintendobros, our response?

>>723924259
What do you mean "dealing with"? Making games on x86 or ARM is exactly the same. You get different binaries output by your toolchain, but the code you write doesn't change.

>>723924747
They bought it for a library of switch 1 games

>>723910920
Part of me is happy because it means I’m finally free. I don’t have to deal with their bullshit. Every time I tried playing the Xbox one I felt heartbreak. But it is also sad. It’s like seeing your best friend just give up on life.

>>723924747
The anon said "people". He didn't mistype.

>>723909270
I'm so glad they walked this back.

>>723924548
>frontires
What point are you trying to make?

>>723924728
and PS4 was one of the all time consoles ever sold to be 2 million behind with 2 year left until the new console and hardly any console exclusives to your name is a major achievement

>>723908735 (OP)
Only the the most braindead corporate goy cocksleeve consumers would disagree with this statement.

>>723923060
I bet you're still paying the debts on that marketing degree.

>>723910920
>cortana is integrated in windows
I kept forgetting that shit existed. Nobody used Cortana.

>>723925035
why buy a console if games are not exclusive? oh wait that happened to xbox and thats why they are dead

>>723908735 (OP)
Nigger

>>723924954
That Xbox exclusives are just shiny, visually impressive husks made without any passion. Sea of Thieves, Hellblade, the recent Halo entries, Gears 4&5, Bleeding Edge, etc; everything just looks like grey and blue American sludge. The only exclusive they've released worth a damn in the past 10-years was Hi-Fi Rush, and Tango was shut down within 15-months of its release.

The me a lack of exclusives is just their way of dealing with the fact that they lost so much market share to PlayStation and PC over the Xbox One years. Why make a Halo game just to sell it it to 10% of the gaming population when you cloud sell it to 100% of gamers? Why commission games when you could just own all the big publishers and now their profit is your profit? It’s a corporate way of thinking and not a gamer’s way of thinking.

>>723924981
And it's selling less every year but sure, if you increase prices and drive people away so no one wants to stay it temporarily looks like a small victory at least.

>>723925189
because you're dumb
consoles are fine as easy retard boxes but forcing discerning customers is going to build resentment as there's no logical reason for exclusivity that is rooted in practicability

>>723925189
They are transitioning to be a Steam like platform but they don't want to spook investors.

We're going to see more of this song and dance in the future.

Xbox has been dying a slow painful death.

>>723925323
this is you saying a company is dying and losing a console war btw lmfao

>>723925404
their games are on steam no one on steam is moving to that shit

>>723925427
Because they did lose to Nintendo and there's fuckall they can do vs PC

>>723923045
Mouse and keyboard aren't good for platformers and action games.

>>723925321
In a leaked email from Phil Spencer they really wanted to buyout Nintendo at one point.

I'm so fucking happy we don't live in that timeline.

>>723923769
>Do keep in mind that there is much, *much* greater variety of games and game genres on PC, an open platform.
That find next to no market or success because the market is so oversaturated they get no visibility and are shooting into the wind. No one can target any niches because there are no niches to target on PC, there's just the overall market and you have to succeed in said overall market. The only reason smaller PC games tend to succeed is because of marketing budgets or just being extremely lucky to pop off like Baba Is You or Balatro.

On Nintendo platforms you can target all ages but in particular younger gamers, Japanese game enjoyers who are open to lower budget games, people who like Nintendo's genre of games like top-down adventure games akin to Zelda or casual platformers like Mario and Kirby, more experimental titles due to Nintendo's general systems being the home of stuff like that, and also lower budget and low end games in general due to Nintendo's lesser focus on these areas thus lesser expectations for consumers.

On Sony platforms you can target normalfags who only play sportsball and shooter games, Japanese game enjoyers who are open to lower and higher budget games, more niche titles like Senran Kagura who know they have the more adult market on Sony that don't exist as much on Nintendo platforms, and the people who value graphics over all without the PC budget.

Blossom Tales is the definitive example of how exclusivity can benefit you as releasing on Steam gave them basically no sales while releasing on the Switch was such an absurd bump in numbers they spoke about it in interviews. Nintendo had the smaller eShop and the Zelda market to target and it worked out incredibly well for them. Meanwhile on Steam you have that chick who had an entire marketing budget set aside to advertise an indie game and when they released it EA dumped 20+ add-ons for The Sims 4 and it kicked their game off of "New Releases" killing any push she had.

>>723925427
AI summaries are valid info now? At least post a wikipedia screenshot or some shit. I'm not even anti AI but cmon, they make mistakes and sometimes even get forced to lie by the corpos all the time

>>723925495
they are not at war with PC microsoft is trying that and they will lose on that, sony making billions more every year means more than you being a retard with your head in the sand on a 4chan board saying they lost anon lets be real here

>>723925597
it culminates info from multiple sources lets not be retarded here

>>723925359
>consoles are fine as easy retard boxes
They are also easy for developers dummy.
Every say Switch 2 is identical. The following hardware specs are the ones you have to work with, every Switch 2 has has a JoyCon 2,gyro, touch screen etc so feel free to build the game around these set features.

>>723925685
Of course they lost and their future doesn't look any better.

exclusives worked when the exclusives were AA small-to-medium budget games which didn't need many sales.
AAAA industry CANNOT make enough money practicing exclusivity considering how absurdly bloated their budgets are--not unless Snoy is throwing literally millions of dollars at the studio as an exclusivity bribe, sort of like how Tim will bribe devs with a million dollars just to stay off Steam.

>>723925768
yeah, multiple corpo approved sources

>>723909693
consoles used to be different architectures with unique advantages
no they are just pcs and games are just unity/ue asset flips made by babies

>>723925815
making different settings options isn't that hard, near every pc game has those

>>723925920
yeah, this is something people forget about. It used to be, making a game for the playstation or the xbox or whatever was designed around the hardware on every level, and it was no small thing to transfer that software to different hardware and have it behave correctly. today, they're all pretty much the same, they just have different UIs

>>723925685
Sony won so much they struggle to push out exclusives and raised the price of PSN to compensate for their concord their losses

>>723910645
>PC was king and there would be just some light ribbing at console players.
lmao you are fucking retarded. Console wars was way more srs business 10-15 years ago. How many die hard fans of Playstation or Xbox still exist, ready to defend their honor?
Pretty much everyone has a mid-tier PC, a PS4 and Switch now

>>723911026
I just think of tendie syndrome as a vidya equivalent of the apple syndrome

>>723925869
That's the big problem that Sony refuses to diversify. Even Astro Bot and R&C have to be some grand spectacle that has to get tens of millions of dollars when they don't need to be some grand visual epic. Even Nintendo is now thinking every game has to be Breath of the Wild and it's driving me insane because all of their games are now feeling like the same thing while bloating their budgets. The Game Freak leaks recently showed that it cost them just as much to make SWSH's DLC as all of PLA.

>fail to establish keystone franchises
>trash or sell off anything that could have been a keystone franchise
>everyone stops buying your console because there's no fucking point to getting one if you can just get the games on something else
>"E-exclusives are anti-ti-ti-quated"
even if Sony's current franchise showing is piss poor compared to what they squandered, they at least still have something to show

>>723913809
>Halo
>Seethe
You can have that shit. Xbros and Halo fans literally do not exist anymore, the whole franchise died with 4 and was buried with 5.

>>723926159
Console exclusivity acts as a filter for quality. That's why there have only ever been good exlusives. Especially flagship titles.

Will this stop the EGS exclusives on PC?

>>723926159
yes, and they need to be cheaper and dev teams above about 30 people need to be outlawed by penalty of public ass whoopings

>>723909091
Why the fuck would you buy a console?

>>723914164
Pokemon is ass precisely because nintendo tries to shut down competition and shield it with exclusivity. If it were allowed to compete with more games directly, especially a certain one, it might actually have to try.

>>723924451
You simply don't release the game on those platforms, you make it a PC exclusive. Just like you'll do the same for the Switch 2 with its controls and hardware, and PS5 for its controls and hardware. What killed the Xbox was Phil's inability to give Xbox an unique hardware feature. One thing I can praise Don Mattrick on was realizing that Xbox doesn't need power but give it something no other hardware could replicate. Would have been interesting to truly see the power of the cloud without the anti-consumer bullshit tied to it.

>>723927016
The state of Pokemon is all on game freak

>>723916234
Difference is steam is not buying or imposing exclusivity, that's just where and devs and publisher decide to put their games.

>>723924548
It could with Xbox, Xbox 360, hell even Don Mattrick's Xbox One as he wanted to move on from 7th gen Xbox. Phil just stuck with the 7th gen Xbox because of nostalgia and offer absolutely nothing else. I still don't know why that guy gets praise.

>>723908735 (OP)
God fucking damn it. They are incapable of understanding men.
The ability to cum with someone else's dick is a necessity for men with small dicks. That's why the console wars were so successful.
Shitting on your friend's plate is also a bonding thing for dudes.

>>723923060
Swing and a miss, Moose.

>>723925527
That's why the Steam Deck exists, that's why the Ibex will exist, serves as your console controller and your keyboard and mouse.

>>723925869
This is only a Microsoft/Sony problem, glad it's blowing up in their faces.

>>723925931
Which is why every PC game has gyro without having to do workarounds, right? Because everyone can just add gyro controls due to the potential for gyro controllers on the market? Having set hardware allows them to optimize for the hardware and allow them to target specific mechanics that are not a guarantee on other platforms allowing for different experiences. It's why Microsoft refusing to add gyro is such a pain for everyone because them not having it leads to no one bothering on multiplats as they know Xbox owners won't be able to use the feature which then also extends to Switch, PS5, and PC even though they all have the option to do so. It's why very few games even have it as an option, and most of them are Sony ports nowadays.

Developers are allowed to do different things when locked to specific hardware like the Steam Deck or the PS5 or the Switch 2 as they have specific hardware to target and features they can work with. Ubisoft is a great example where they will make use of the gamepad with ZombiU on Wii U, or the haptic triggers on Xbox on Assassin's Creed games, or the gyro and haptics on PS5 on various games of theirs.

>>723927016
>If it were allowed to compete with more games directly, especially a certain one, it might actually have to try.
Pokemon already has competition with Digimon, Monster Crown, Monster Sanctuary, Temtem, Nexomon, SMT, and Persona all on their own system mind you. The difference here is that they are the Disney of monster collectors so no one else is even in their league in terms of reach and popularity. Yokai Watch was the only one to ever come close and Level-5 being Level-5 they shot themselves in their own foot.

Most of Pokemon's issues come from the higher ups at TPC refusing to listen to Game Freak's requests, GF acting lazy, or both. The recent leaks show how dysfunctional as a company they are.

>>723927145
The state of pokemon is because they have absolutely no reason to try because they'd rather spend more money shutting down and shielding themselves from the treat of competition.

>>723910115
they're all the same build nowadays anon, it's all x86.
they just turn the PC version's graphics down until it runs at 30fps on that console and ship it.

>>723913809
No one really cares anymore, people got over it and just said fuck Xbox and moved to PC. That just may fix Halo's gimped ass controls

>>723910029
exclusivity was originally to try and lock people into a console, but console hardware sells just aren't as relevant in the era of live service games where you make far more money by having a game on every platform to milk as many people as possible with a drip feed of content.

>>723927401
It is the biggest franchise in the world but yeah, it's on GF. They wanna be small for some reason.

>>723909693
One boring pozzed movie game a year isn't worth the paid online.

>>723908735 (OP)
Good. Exclusivity had its time and place decades ago in the early days when PC was new and the industry was trying to figure things out. But now it's just anti-consumer hostage taking bullshit to try and force people to buy redundant, kneecapped, expensive hardware with prison ecosystems that treat you like shit.
Imagine if all the PC handhelds were buying up exclusivity to try and force people to buy them, it'd be pure cancer. The people who disagree care more about buying into some 'members only club' than they do the games or they have a parasocial relationship with the corporation and have made it part of their identity.

>>723924664
The "muh competition" cope is complete and utter hogwash. They literally limit competition by holding games hostage behind the console

>>723928098
>Imagine if all the PC handhelds were buying up exclusivity to try and force people to buy them
You say that like it's not exactly what companies like Microsoft did and Valve would do if they went into making consoles. It's just part of the game.

>>723928098
>Imagine if all the PC handhelds were buying up exclusivity to try and force people to buy them
Third party exclusives are different from first party exclusives, idiot. Why would I use the Microsoft Store over Steam? Why would I use Windows over the SteamOS?

>>723928391
>if

>>723908735 (OP)
>exclusives dying
>games getting even worse
Yeah I'm sure those aren't related

What is selling the hardware if there aren't any exclusives?

>>723928167
Nintendo's and Valve's competition just suck ass, which is why they all lost and became sore losers bending over like the worthless bitches that they've always been.

>>723928098
It's pro-consumer since it pushes console manufacturers to make the best games possible to showcase their hardware.

>>723928512
>exclusives were only ever good
It's all so tiresome.

>ctrl+f saggy
>no results
Fucking nu-/v/

>>723928590
This, no exclusives mean laziness to push games for retards without money.

>>723908735 (OP)
can't lose if you define that as winning

>>723928098
>But now it's just anti-consumer hostage taking bullshit to try and force people to buy redundant, kneecapped, expensive hardware with prison ecosystems that treat you like shit.
Or, get this, it allows the ecosystem to gain certain niches due to those exclusive games which then attracts developers of those niches to their platforms to target games at those niches allowing companies that otherwise wouldn't exist or never would have been formed on other platforms without those apparent niches to find a home now that they have the ability to be successful with some consistency.

You are looking at this solely from the platform holder's side instead of the bigger picture. Less people gain access to the games but more unique games are allowed to be made and find their footing that otherwise would have been drowned out due to the dirge of releases on other platforms, or even other genres that would have overtaken them.

Here's a very simple example: Apple Arcade. Apple originally paid developers to put games on it to establish their market. Now premium app developers are ignoring Android entirely despite being the bigger marketshare because Apple has a specific market (Aka a niche) where people can go that they know premium quality mobile games will be found that they can play for a subscription or buy outright if subscribed to the platform. Games still release on Android, but things like Taiko no Tatsujin: Pop Tap Beat are exclusive to Apple.

>>723916234
what PC can't install steam?

imagine if you could only play phone games on an Apple or an Android or a Windows phone even though theyre all the same

>>723928391
>and Valve would do if they went into making consoles
Steam Deck
Valve could make a console, they don't. Valve could make their own OS, they chose Linux, the most open OS there is.
And yeah, Microsoft used to. And now they're saying this, that's the point.
I get it. You and I grew up with it, are used to it, and change is hard, but we're far better off without it. Far different times.
>>723928427
>Why would I use the Microsoft Store over Steam? Why would I use Windows over the SteamOS?
Those things themselves actually having to be better than one or the other instead of merely taking other software hostage.

>>723928813
I mean exclusive to the Steam Store, Valve isn't putting its recent stuff in other PC storefronts? These newer games aren't even coming to consoles.

>>723928962
It's just a shitty PC handheld. That's always been the biggest problem with Valve. No ambition.

>>723928512
Gaming is better than it's ever been, on PC. Ironically, for the only one who really does exclusives, all Nintendo's exclusives in the past half decade have been bare minimum phoning it in trash just aimed at milking their captive audience.

>>723928962
>Those things themselves actually having to be better than one or the other instead of merely taking other software hostage.
It ain't hostage, you're a retard if you own a PC and you use the Microsoft Store for anything. You're a retard if you get an Xbox over a Switch or PlayStation. Microsoft has nothing going for themselves for you to own their crap now.

>>723909693
destruction allsharts is only figuratively dead, the servers are still up and there's single player. important distinction versus being literally unplayable a la concord.

>>723928638
For the most part yes and I can play that game too, not every multiplat is great either in fact far more turn out slop than soul compared to games crafted for their respected systems in mind

>>723929164
>no ambition
>this Xbot accusing any company of no ambition
Steve Jobs was right about Microsoft

>>723929164
I've owned 30 years of consoles. The steam deck is the best video game hardware I've ever bought and it's not even close.

>>723928817
But that's already the case. Windows Phone games don't even work anymore and there were tons of exclusive games that aren't ported off (Assassin's Creed had several of these as did Halo though Halo did port Spartan Assault to the 360 and now it's BC). N-Gage games require an emulator to run them. V-Cast games were lost to time until some Japanese guy managed to find Kingdom Hearts Coded loaded on one of those phones and another guy found the Mega Man Battle Network game. Apple already has the Apple Arcade and many exclusive titles you can only find on their phones. Android also has many exclusive apps you can't find on Apple phones because of the different permissions and access they require.

Phone exclusive games between brands already exist even right now as we speak.
https://backloggd.com/u/tendog/list/apple-arcade-exclusives/
Just an example, all of these aren't playable anywhere other than the Apple Arcade.

>>723929241
Are you thinking I'm arguing in favor of Microsoft and Xbox or something? No. They were cancer the moment they entered this industry. I'm just agreeing with what they say here and thank the fucking gods they haven't tried to pull exclusivity bullshit with gamepass because if there's an even bigger cancer it's cloud subscriptions that you have zero control over.
Exclusivity deserves to die and I don't care who says it.

>>723908735 (OP)
Correct.
Consoles in general are antiquated.
You can set up a PC to use in the living room just like one, and still get all the pros of playing on PC as well.
Sony and Nintendo can stick to making games, and their consoles can go to hell.

>>723929135
and you're a dumbfuck for even comparing hardware and software exclusivity. If you have steam there's no paywall that stops you from using other storefronts. It's literally the other storefront's job to make you want to use them. That's why console exclusives are fucking retarded. It's like having to purchase a pass just to enter a store.
>These newer games aren't even coming to consoles.
you mean the issue that consoles created in the first place?

>>723929610
>They were cancer the moment they entered this industry
Can't argue with that

>>723929624
>You can set up a PC to use in the living room just like one, and still get all the pros of playing on PC as well.
Which no normal person in their right mind is going to do. The only people doing this are enthusiasts and you thinking this is is even a realistic prospect for anyone but enthusiasts is insane. Your view of gaming is in a very specific bubble that the rest of the world doesn't even acknowledge.

>>723929640
>If you have steam there's no paywall that stops you from using other storefronts. It's literally the other storefront's job to make you want to use them.
Why would I use them when Steam and SteamOS exist?
>That's why console exclusives are fucking retarded
They only became stupid when Microsoft entered because those bastards never had a thought process of making a console and controller where those games can literally not work on anything else without some serious compromises.

>>723908735 (OP)
PC has had to come in and save so many exclusive games left behind to rot. There are no arguments in favor of it that isn't just some corpo brainwashing. The sooner this anti-consumer practice dies, the better.

>>723909836
In terms of redfall arkane austin was forced into the game by bethesda, and when xbox bought them out, they were all praying they would cancel the game and spare everyone.
I just don't get these executives of video game companies and what their fucking thought process is.
How are you going to chase trends when a AAA game takes almost a decade to develop? The trend your chasing will have burnt the fuck out by then, or the game you're trying to emulate is just better and has had a whole product lifetime to patch and add to the game.
Or all the bullshit micro transactions, I understand why a bean counting jew wants those in games, but surely they must realize not everyone has infinite money, and vidya isn't the kind of essential bullshit that people can't go without.

>>723929624
>You can set up a PC to use in the living room just like one, and still get all the pros of playing on PC as well.
If you want to do this, just get a Steam Deck dock or wait for the Steam Fremont and you got your living room PC right there. Why would I hook a desktop onto the TV just to mimic a console with a shitty Xbox controller over waiting for the better Steam Ibex controller?

>>723929286
The thing about exclusives THEN and NOW is that the hardware is homogenizing. Some games could only be on the sega or SNES because someone figured out how to jank some code to make it do something it wasn't designed to do, and it fucking works, but only because of peculiarity in proprietary systems.
Now most big games use the same couple engines and off the shelf bullshit that can run on one console as well as another because they're just glorified gaming laptops at this point.

>>723930152
Nintendo was smart to focus on different controls, it also helps when games are built for their consoles and only their consoles. It gives that feeling of when a game is built exclusively for the PC.

>>723929892
You're arguing on the side of corpos here though, they just want max profits without having to put the effort in to make games that are good enough to sell consoles.

>>723929878
Why should a game built and designed to run on PC no longer be able to run on the PC even if it means system requirements just because of the storefront it launches on? What sense does this make? Why would a company willingly lose out on free money they could have just to artificially lock themselves out of it? In this scenario there is NOTHING to gain since the game is already on PC. Steam may be the biggest storefront on PC, but Steam != PC gaming. I agree with the other anon.

>>723930302
This, it's really retarded to argue against exclusives and coming up with bullshit to justify why they need to go away. This issue was created specifically by Microsoft because they made the most generic hardware to exist compared to their competition.

>>723930152
Despite homogenizing modern consoles are now split by the niches they target, the sunk cost of the userbase, and specific features one platform might have over the other. Convenience (and physical copies until those sadly go away) will always be the reason why people turn to consoles, but now we're in a position where Nintendo targets lower end and smaller scope games with a mix of bigger scope games while Sony targets higher and and larger scope games.

PC is the enthusiast grab bag that requires many extra steps to utilize and it's going to take Valve quite a hefty amount of effort to push Steam Machines and the Steam Deck into stores if that is their goal to get PC gaming to the console market as they don't have as much in the way of physical advertising via games to work with if they do get into big box stores. Microsoft is trying to bridge these two with their own Steam Machine deal with their new Xbox coming out and the Xbox Rog Ally being used as a test bed for features clearly meant for it, but they're going to price normal people out of the market even with the Xbox loyalists buying it.

>>723930302
If they make more money by not forcing me to buy some worthless $500+ machine just to play a game I want that's been arbitrarily locked to it, then good, that just means they'll follow through on it.
Obviously Microsoft is not saying this to be consumer friendly, it jut happens to be consumer friendly.

>>723908735 (OP)
>Sony and Microsoft destroyed every incentive to specifically buy into their platforms
>Nintendo has the non-PC industry basically all to itself for the time being, right when they're at their greediest and most complacent
>decent PC parts got stupidly fucking expensive
I finalized my initial PC build in 2020, and I think I got the fuck out of Dodge (i.e. consoles) at the perfect time. I also switched to Linux last year, which was also great timing. I knew Windows 11 was terrible and would only get worse, but I couldn't DARE to imagine back then that it'd get as comically bad as it's gotten.

If you actually care about games and how you're treated as a customer rather than retarded petty brand jihadism, then NOBODY has anything to be proud of right now in the console space.

>>723930289
In general I think they've played it pretty smart instead of sony and xbox racing to the bottom with graphix and performance whoring in service to big dumb bloated unsatisfying games.

>>723930442
>Why should a game built and designed to run on PC no longer be able to run on the PC even if it means system requirements just because of the storefront it launches on?
I never said this, no one gives a fuck about other storefronts on PC, people just use Steam while a minority uses that other crap.
>Steam may be the biggest storefront on PC, but Steam != PC gaming
At this point, it does, Microsoft lost this war a long time ago.

>>723908735 (OP)
On one hand I hate how consoles are being killed off by exes on the other hand I love how AI is going to ass rape them so hard they might actually die

>>723930608
>it jut happens to be consumer friendly
Because they can't make games, consoles, or controllers to save their lives.

>>723930608
It's not worthless if it has good games on it

>>723908735 (OP)
Consoles have become rancid dogshit that treat you like a retarded wallet so I see no problem with this.

>>723930642
They truly did, even Valve knows that power isn't everything and only care about performance and efficiency for both handhelds and consoles, while their OS is built for that. I doubt Valve will use RDNA 5 next gen, they'll use RDNA 3 for the console and RDNA 3.5+ for the Deck 2.

>>723930621
Nintendo and Valve won so hard, it's funny as shit.

>>723930709
The hardware itself is worthless. Those games can all exist on a more open, consumer friendly platform.

>>723930645
>that other crap.
OK, so you're just trolling out of boredom or something. Nevermind.

>>723930621
Basically me. Got the fuck out of dodge with both consoles and windows and it feels great.

>>723925768
ah yes multiple creditable sources by "Gamer man" who paid google to have their site's SEO boosted by a morbillion

>>723930874
But if the hardware has exclusive games then it's worth owning for the exclusive games on it

>>723925565
>I'm so fucking happy we don't live in that timeline.
Instead you live in timeline where nintendo is hollow shell of former self controlled by yakuza and every exlusive looks and feels like wish granted by a monkey paw.
And you are fucking happy?
Everything is turned to shit or just dead and there is no exceptions.

>>723929135
Last I checked Steam is free and not a $500-800 redundant purchase + tax + peripherals + overpriced games with no real sales + tip

>>723931180
Plus no paid online or rebuying games left behind. Can't forget that old chestnut.

>>723931302
not to mention being able to add non-Steam games to the launcher

>>723929286
No one is arguing whether multiplats should exist. But if multiplats can be good or bad and exclusives can also be good or bad then what's the point of there being exclusives? They're just as hit and miss as the rest but are gated and pointlessly used to push hardware that they can exist independent of

>>723930816
What really confuses me are the dev companies themselves. I understand why some are going to be chasing the AAA bux and infinite money glitches, but where the fuck are all the AA devs?
Seems to me like the market is RIPE for mid budget games that can be banged out in a couple of years that may not be the most amazing polished ray traced piece of shit, but might have some kind of interesting game play mechanics, or just refining and mashing established formula together.

>>723930912
Steam is the main store to use, you use the other stores only, and I do mean ONLY, when there is a game on there Steam doesn't have. From there, you put the game in your library for in case you have a Steam Deck, you can play it in Gaming Mode.

>>723931180
Why would you bother getting all that stupid shit if it's not required?

>>723931302
One reason why I think I've kept an xbox is they did a decent job keeping the backwards compatibility. It doesn't work on all games, but the ones it doesn't work on aren't anything you're probably going to want to replay outside of a handful of games (space marine, I'm looking at you), it creates a nice ecosystem that encourages a transition because you can bring everything else along for the ride, and honestly as someone who was once wowed by 8 bit color in vidya, anything from the 7th gen on looks mostly fine, I don't need a bad remaster, just let me play the game as it was.

>>723917563
>gamecube
>PS3

>>723908735 (OP)
who made this retarded sheboon president?
she fucking completely destroyed xbox lmao

>>723931793
Because exclusives create new niches in ecosystems and cause developers that otherwise would not have given their ideas a chance or would not have been able to get funding to find a place because of the group of people they know exist on that platform now from the exclusives being brought to that market.

Simple example is the Vita which had a huge market of Japanese exclusive VNs and DRPGs because they could release them to a userbase that wanted those low end, low budget, extremely niche games. This userbase eventually moved onto the Switch 1 when the Vita died off.
Another great example is the 360 and Japanese exclusive SHMUPs. Cave and the XNA programs both caused indie Japanese developers to flock to the 360 because a small niche formed around that market and led to a bunch of exclusive games for that system.
Like I said earlier, Souls games as a genre and brand exist solely because of the market on the 360 that was tied of easy and more casual games which Fromsoft saw a niche to target and so they were able to tap into the people who want hard Japanese games and now we have them as a AAA company from a very low budget company.

When these developers are forced to compete against the entire market instead of the smaller niches within specific ecosystems they essentially have to rely on luck to gain any visibility at all. Demon's Souls' success was because of word of mouth, but because it was a smaller platform it was easier for that to spread.

>>723932081
AA devs still exist and you could easily say Konami and Sega are both AA at best. Squeenix and Capcom lean way more towards the AAA side nowadays though Squeenix is dropping down
Something to also keep in mind is that a lot of modern games require more work to flesh out compared to back in the day, even the Squeenix devs outright state they have no idea how they managed to get FF7 through FF9 out back in the day in the few years they did so because nowadays just one of them would take 4+ years.

Just hurry up and die and make all AAA games PC-only so poorfags and children fuck off from gaming and i can enjoy my 4K 120fps ludo

After playing BeamNG.drive on the Steam Deck, I'm questioning what is even the point of Xbox and the Forza Horizon series? At least with Sony, they knew they were making a console and didn't try to go for realism in their games, just fun. If Microsoft really wanted to try and be realistic like PC gaming, they should have just stuck to PC gaming. They just give out dumb down PC experiences in a shitty console.

>>723933003
>Market on the 360
Sorry, meant on the PS3.