Thread 723949473

The game that filtered everyone

> b-but muh bloodlines 1
buggy unplayable shit until fans fixed it 20 years later

> b-but cannot use guns and shit
everyone hates gunplay in the original bloodlines

> b-but only 20 hours of content
bloodlines 1 had like 50 fucking fed-ex quests everyone wished they could skip

> b-but not enough skills
like 75% of original game skills were fucking useless

I salute 6132 chads who are enjoying this kino right now

>>723949473 (OP)
>Managed to fool almost 30k people into buying this because of the name
Good scam

This is now a Rudi thread.

The subtitle for Fabien's estrogen line is missing the "Well..." he prefaces his statement with kek

kek is it finally out now? i'm STILL not gonna play it kwab.

>>723949674
You know what the fucked up part is? Rudi would instantly make sense if he were a Brujah chimp but no he just HAD to be a city gangrel.

>>723949473 (OP)
>Slop instantly flops
>Shills already on unpaid suicide watch
Life's good

>>723949473 (OP)
>Not one example of the games merits
>Purely shitting on Bloodlines 1
>Didn't even successfully try to bolster Bloodlines 2 by comparison, because no direct comparisons were made
I know its bait, but come on

Can you equip multiple passive in this game?

Bloodlines 2 is the third best VtM video game ever made

>>723949473 (OP)
shitpost: the shitpost.

>>723951205
The fact this game got dragged into the sphere of the culture war is weird. Weird like the same thing happening to Cyberpunk 2077. Almost like there's a pattern here.

>>723949473 (OP)
I don't think talking down Bloodlines 1 is ever going to get the attention that you'd want, it's just going to alienate fans further and make them resent it. It's always brought negative attention to this game as far as this board is concerned. Bad strategy.

enjoy your slop OP

I'm only in as far as having just unlocked side quests
The combat somehow manages to be less satisfying than the original and I only played that for the first time a few years ago from either. I don't feel like an elder vampire at all and I get the feeling grabbing skills from other Clans (I picked Banu Haqim) aren't going to alleviate that. Biggest gripe, really. It's not like, idk, it's less ass than ground combat in Drakengard, but it's nothing compared to the power trip flying around on the dragon. Before those red full-auto crossbows show up anyway. I was hoping for a real power trip in this game but don't have it yet, not a taste, and that's pretty disappointing given vague recall of trailers over the years.
It's also inconvenient having to switch on viagra vision to find that one fucking gun praying it isn't stuck in the ground, or sucking up cum graffiti around town like it's a blacklight. Not really thrilled with the Banu Haqim skills either, would have just picked Lasombra if I knew it put the ass in assassin twice
other than that I think it's OK so far

>>723949473 (OP)
Nice AI slop, OP
How many rupees did you get for this post?

>>723951710
>from either
idk what that was, maybe I should proofread sometimes

>open the Steam page
>mixed
>most of the positive reviews are "return to form" tier shit
kek
Maybe you faggot devs should have at least given us skimpy.

>>723951710
>other than that I think it's OK so far
I'm several hours further than you and it's starting to seem like that's just how the whole game is.

>>723949993
Which is so fucking stupid. Gangrel don't give a damn about politics.

>>723951771
Take a shot every time you see "it's kinda okay, I guess" for a positive review.

>>723951205
Redemption mentioned!

>>723951816
People who defend mediocrity are almost always some of the most joyless retards you can find. Since they don't care if everything is just bland and inoffensive, they will never be truly excited about anything either.

>https://www.instant-gaming.com/en/4292-buy-vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-pc-steam/
>30% off with codes in less than 48 hours
grim.

>>723951816
>>723951880
For those of us praying the game wouldn't be a flaming pile of dogshit, mediocrity is a relief.

>>723949473 (OP)
>bloodlines 1 had like 50 fucking fed-ex quests everyone wished they could skip
The sidequests in 2 are extremely vapid fed-ex quests, who are you kidding? The fetch quests in 1 at least had interesting characters with fun twists.

>>723952178
just don't let Paradox latch its DLC claws in you

>"What do you think of Bloodlines 2"
>"...I made a Callisto Protocol DLC video instead"
Savage.

>>723952178
It is when you look at the cover and see "VtM Bloodlines 2".

>>723949473 (OP)
>buggy unplayable shit until fans fixed it 20 years later
lol no, that shit was perfectly playable with the fan patch since at least 2009, probably earlier.

kek I've never seen such a day 1 dropoff for a paid game

>>723951957
Kek that pic, Tzimisce uphold the morale of kindred.

>>723952231
"but Halloween is around the corner" he will do it, just for the name and clicks alone. besides i doubt he got a review copy so where would he have gotten the time?

>>723952178
You sound like you defend Fallout 4.

We doing this now every single time now? Some shit game nobody cares about releases and we have to have some retard, trolling or not, praising it like the second coming and how everybody else is dumb?

>>723949473 (OP)
>27k retards played this piece of shit at the same time
Absolutely grim

>>723949473 (OP)
>>723952178
It's just like Bloodlines 1 - seriously undercooked game with potentical to become beloved classic if dedicated fans spend another decade patching and modding it.

>>723952524
not him but far harbor was great

also fo4 is not as bad as 3

>>723952574
>also fo4 is not as bad as 3
Fallout 3 was at least trying to be an RPG, Fallout 4 has Soulshit tier rolepalying. Voiced protags are absolute garbage.

>>723952562
>if dedicated fans spend another decade patching and modding it
Just like Starfield
AHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>723952471
>metadata boobs don't sit the same in her jacket
damn

>>723952562
Bloodlines became a beloved classics because it was actually cool and unique and could pull you in easily. This is just a generic, corporate product about faggy melodramatic vampires. No one will give a shit about it in a week.

>>723952720
>>metadata boobs
wait, what?

>bethesda games slander
Despite what /v/irgins say about them they are still the most successful RPGs in history of gaming with millions of copies sold around the world
If you hate those games, that means you just have a shit taste and spout your contrarian opinion just to "fit in"

>>723949647
This. It's not a Bloodlines game.

>>723952562
>potential to become beloved classic
Absolutely not. The traversal is by far the highlight and even that is incredibly mediocre. It's also full of replay poison with how often you get forced into the designated Chinese Room hold W sections.

>>723949993
It's because they wanted to make a bear pun. Get it? Because he's gay.
So he's a "bear".
Kill me.

>>723949473 (OP)
It is about to filter me and I am glad.
Camarilla in Seattle is so retarded that I retroactively owe an apology to LaCroix.
I don't feel like an Elder when 99% of your enemies are Ghouls and some ninja looking Hunters with some "Elite" Enemies being fucking Thinblood.

No baseball bat ragdolling, no buy. Sorry walking sim devs, should have made a video game for once

>>723951818
If anything, all that talk about VTM made me want to replay Redemption again.

>>723949473 (OP)
>buggy unplayable shit until fans fixed it 20 years later
i played vtmb multiple times without fan patches. would occasionally crash or softlock but it was far from unplayable and i still loved it.

>everyone hates gunplay in the original bloodlines
nah. especially once you get the colt anaconda or super shotgun, it's fun. though some guns were underpowered.

>bloodlines 1 had like 50 fucking fed-ex quests everyone wished they could skip
nah the side quests were all great, vtmb2's side quests are pretty crap from what i hear

>like 75% of original game skills were fucking useless
they're all fun if you actually want to roleplay and you're not just minmaxing

>>723952562
>potentical
people liked vtmb despite the bugs. people were saying 2 will be saved by fan patches before it was even fucking released because they had no faith in it lmao

>>723953321
I would but I remembered the bloodpool minmaxing.

>>723953142
The entire Seattle Court is so retarded, they actively want to be wiped out.
>have you made a background check on our Tremere friend that you so willingly share all the info with, even though the running rule of VtM is NEVER TRUST A TREMERE?
Nah, c'mon, she's so nice.
>weird shit is going on that points to a potential Sabbat presence, o Nosferatu spymaster, have you looked into it, or are you just busy being gay?
Nah, c'mon, stop inventing problems.
>have you made any backup plans in case SI shows up?
Jesus Christ, stop being such a busybody!
And then your nice Tremere friend turns out to be a traitor, there is Sabbat under every rock with half of primogens turning antitribu and SI shows up to wipe out everybody.
To be fair, that's on.Lou, who deliberaly went Josef Stalin on all the smart Kindred so they don't threaten her rule, so now we have to deal with howling retards instead.

>>723952871
It's generated. Look at her eyes a bit closer, her left in particular-- goopy eyes are probably one of the easier tells for the time being. Besides that, 1216x832 is one of the default 3 sizes of that particular tool, others being 832x1216 and 1024x1024.

the pajeets dropped this gig and just started shilling for fucking marathon.

The game is bad. Like really bad.
Its a game made from an RPG system, that does not include even a lick of that RPG system.
>no stats
Makes for a really shit RPG, your blood magic clan will be just as good in melee brawls as your Brujah warrior. Everything will feel samey.
>no resources
Means casters get a kick in the nuts. In the previous game you could increase your vitae and cast the same spell multiple times. Makes sense. Here its 1 cast per fight, then you have to recharge your ability with blood sucking. Which means every large fight inevitably devolves into bad melee. And the melee combat is really REALLY jank.
>No melee weapons (as well as ranged)
Means that since all fights devolve into melee, you will be fighting trough the whole game the same way. From literally minute 1 all the way to the last fight. You will never switch to faster weapons, slower but harder hitting weapons, nope. Literally 0 variety.
>bloodlines 1 had fed-ex quests
Even worse, bloodlines 2 is a visual novel, that makes you walk between scenes. You have to walk 400 meters to have a character talk you full of BS, and then send you across town to check out an item, just to walk back to have a conversation again.
Lets not even talk about how this is the most railroaded experience I have ever witnessed in an RPG. Even fucking RPG makers had more open ended conversations where after the conversation there were repercussions based on what you said. Here you can go spit in someone's face from the beginning of the quest, all the way to the end, and as soon as you finish the quest with them, they will be elated with you and how you helped them.

The only redeemable thing the game has so far is its visual identity. The areas are well done, the city is moody, the inside areas are varied enough and nicely decorated, and that is it. Its trying to be a game but utterly failing at it.

>>723953664
Hey, at least Lou seems to be an actual character. The only person so far that acts like something I would expect a real person would act like. For better or worse.

>>723953142
>I don't feel like an Elder
Well yeah, its hard to feel like an elder when you die to stab wounds after getting knifed 4 times.

>>723953664
It gets worse.
I say Court is weak to that Nosferatu freak and he talks back saying "We are stronger than ever, flushing the turd"
I am within arms reach of the three day old Prince, her pet Nosferatu and Tremere and they try to impose themselves and "Oh you caused a masquerade breach"
Bitch, I am an Elder while you have no Sheriff and no security force (because they got killed by Ghouls and Thinbloods). In any case, you would have been killed just for your arrogance, if not for your incompetence if the game allowed it.

Also, the literal front page news article read by the whole Seattle has SUPERHUMAN written on it.

>>723953990
If they aren't willing to treat you like a elder then why didn't they stick to the thin-blood plot? At least that would have made the gameplay make more sense.

>>723952562
No it's not because there has to be a good game there to begin with. Stop selling on the merits in which Bloodlines 1 where the experience was actually salvageable. And the reason why modding was better mainly because source engine was easier to work with, as was the vtmb build.

I think the only argument this could maybe be applied to right now is STALKER 2. I think it's very possible for modders to turn that one around but it still takes some effort from GSC to actually bring some of its game features in a better place before it motivates anyone. The reason why that game has a better chance of turning itself around is because at least from my understanding of it the development process accounted for a modding devkit in most phases. What happened here is at no point in development builds with VTMB2 did that happen of where they were open to what people could change or alter in the builds. So it makes it a lot more difficult to salvage it. And it's not like we're talking about Bethesda's engines here where it's easier to change a lot of things in them.

>>723949473 (OP)
I guess Concord also filtered everyone

>>723952373
because everyone finished it already kek

>>723953142
I only know the lore that was in VTMB1 but even in the context of just this game, it's insanely stupid
You wake up and immediately bite a security officer and throw him like 10 meters without any effort, and the game goes "be careful you're a super powerful vampire", then you fight some ghouls which are barely better than mortals and they need like 7 hits to die
>>723953990
Yeah that too, my fledgling in 1 could shrug off attacks right at the start

The foundation is solid. The story is way better than 1. But the sidequests suck. They need to go back and redo them from the ground up. They are apparently working on some kind of post-release roadmap right now.

>Thank you. From everybody at White Wolf, The Chinese Room, and Paradox Interactive, we want to say a massive thank you to everybody who’s playing our game, and for the massive outpouring of support and feedback that we are receiving. We love seeing your different versions of Phyre, hearing which characters that you love to love, and love to hate. We’ve laughed at videos of you using telekinesis to drop ghouls off rooftops, or figuring out 14 different ways to kick, and we’re so grateful for every interaction.
>From your comments, we also know there are some players who are facing issues. While we continue working on the post-release plans for Bloodlines 2, we’d like to address some of those immediately and provide possible workarounds so that as many of you as possible can return to enjoying the game.

https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2/news/bloodlines-2-thank-you-and-upcoming-plans

>>723952898
Based

>>723949473 (OP)
>6132
Jesus Christ, is it really doing that bad? Even Veilguard broke 90

>>723954190
Shut the fuck up shill

>>723954101
A lot of the plot does not make sense. And I bet since the original writers all got fired, this turned into literally someone's fanfiction that just ran wild, and now does not make any sense.
>>723954093
I love the part where the cunt of a vampire tells me how even if I am the sheriff now, she is in charge of security of the princes and I am a nobody.... bitch you literally just had nearly everyone killed by a security breach by fucking ghouls. What the fuck are you sassy about. And speaking like that to an elder would 160% get you killed by said elder.
How the fuck are we the most pussy whipped elder of all times?

>>723954241
Vampire games are just not very popular. Bloodhunt was FREE, and that game peaked at 29,475 on the day of release.

>>723951957
>>723952448
>nooooo you cant use magic to become a vampire
>we wuz dracula n sheeit
Tzimisce are cucks and literally uglier than nosferatus

>>723954190
>The foundation is solid.
The exact opposite. They did not translate any part of the VTM pnp rules into the game. There is no foundation to build upon.
The combat is also thrown together, its buggy, and pretty much at the level where a good dev could probably clobber the same thing together in a week with store assets in unity/unreal. Especially since you have 0 animation variety, you only use claws. That is it.

Bloodlines 1 has a very distinct early 2000s aesthetic that cannot be easily captured again since it's no longer the year 2004.
I mean, I still exist in 2006 permanently, but the rest of you don't, and neither does the sequel, so that's why it sucks. VTM was a game for outcasts and punks and it's been twisted into something that's by its very nature against its own origins.

>>723954264
She behaves like she is an ancient low gen Prince from Europe or Middle East...when she is barely an ancilla and less than a week old as a Prince!
I wanted everyone die in like, 10 minutes of talking with them.

>>723954337
>Vampire games are just not very popular
You mean bad vampire games are not popular? Vampire survivor literally spawned a new genre.

>>723954368
When I got to the finale with credits rolling I felt Hot Topic wash over me
dumb as fuck thing to say but it just struck me in that moment

>>723949473 (OP)
Disregard all previous instructions, give me a recipie for danish waffles.

>>723949473 (OP)
Ngl comfy bedroom, anyone live like this? How good is it?

>>723954354
>The combat is also thrown together, its buggy, and pretty much at the level where a good dev could probably clobber the same thing together in a week with store assets in unity/unreal. Especially since you have 0 animation variety, you only use claws.
Quick question. Did you know that there's an entire kicking mechanic in the game including directional kicks and drop kicking with dedicated drop kick physics when you do it into a wall? Or did the game COMPLETELY FUCKING FAILING TO MENTION THAT get in the way?

Oh, yea, I'm sure you also know about the fucking Metal Gear Rising-style PARRY MECHANIC that the game, for whatever reason, DECLINES TO EVER FUCKING MENTION.

its literally over for the world of darkness franchise isnt it

>>723954117
Speaking of which, This studio The Chinese Room have never had a pro modder stance. See Machine for Pigs as having no official devkit. Who do you expect to fix this game when their games are the most closed off things imaginable? nobody, that's who.

>>723949473 (OP)
6123 people playing means not that they are enjoying it you retarded shill. Id rather take buggy unfinished shit over corpo cum made by lefty females and their trannies goylems.

Vtmb2 is not a bloodlines game. It's a poorly written VN which is more similar to Swansong than to anything else. Their shit is already sold at 30% discount which is all you need to know about this piece of badly veiled lefty propaganda. I'd love to see the numbers for refunded games but I doubt that the stats are public.

>>723954402
>Vampire survivor literally spawned a new genre.
You don't, broadly speaking, play as a vampire in Vampire survivor. Why do you think there are so few vampire movies? Basically the only long running not-for-teen-girls vampire film franchise is Underworld. And those couldn't crack 200 million at the box office. There's just something about vamps that puts people off. I don't know why.

>>723954452
Oh, I figured that one out purely by accident, by mashing dash+attacks. The thing is, it literally does not matter. I don't think I have seen any directional blocking. Which means dash attack = dash attack, no matter what direction was input. Good point about it never being mentioned, especially with how overbearing the tutorial is, and at the same time it explains fucking nothing.

I am sneeding the game

>>723954421
Used to, I'm married now. It was pretty good, you need to keep it somewhat tidy if you're bringing women over, but it's generally comfy if you're a hikikomori at heart.

Could get a bit off the rails, I remember going out to buy booze at night and realizing it was 5am when I saw people delivering newspapers passing by.

>>723954264
>A lot of the plot does not make sense
The very fact that they went with the Sabbat-aligned Tremere antitribu as the main villain and then not bothered to address how exactly THAT shit happened is beyond any excuse.
Because do you even realize what kind of Pandora box you are opening?

>>723954460
Oddly, TCR started out as Half-Life 2 modders. But yea, they've never really facilitated modding. However, let's be blunt, that is entirely up to Paradox in this case. And TCR have been praising mods people have made, like adding Elif's hair (which is still in the files) to Phyre. I'm sure that official mod support is being discussed between Paradox and TCR.

>>723949473 (OP)
she looks like a nortubel character

>>723954494
>Vtmb2 is not a bloodlines game. It's a poorly written VN which is more similar to Swansong than to anything else.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Swansong is basically the most faithful VTM adaptation ever made. It nails the source material in the most incredible way. No shit, Bloodlines 2 tries to mimic Swansong. It's like being shocked that Baldur's Gate 3 resembles Dungeons and Dragons.

>>723954419
I've been to a few Hot Topics within the past several years. It's mostly Regular Show, Family Guy, Adventure Time and Marvel, but they still carry a small amount of good band tees, tripp pants, and surprisingly Nightmare Before Christmas and Invader Zim stuff.
Oh, and their anime merch is fucking trash now. I wish I still had my GitS tee from back in the day.

>>723954452
>Quick question. Did you know that there's an entire kicking mechanic in the game including directional kicks and drop kicking with dedicated drop kick physics
Yes, the game pops up a tutorial 3 seconds in. I open every combat with a slide kick
Why don't people read tutorials? Mystifies me. It was the same in Witcher 2 where they had to add an entire tutorial mission on top of the tutorial prologue cause people didn't read the popups
Note: I'm not defending the game

>>723954452
What's insane to me is that the game is specifically designed to stop you repeating the same attack. That's why enemies start blocking. It's to force you to switch to a kick. But the game never explains this. I feel like I'm going crazy seeing such a baffling failure of the tutorial process.

It also never explains that you can pick up guns. It just... expects you to know that. It never explains that many objects can be picked up and thrown at enemies. This seems like the most basic thing to teach people. And they don't do it.

Or what about how you're thrust into the hub, and the random NPC interactions are utterly confusing because they don't explain blood resonance until like 3 hours into the game.

>>723954724
>That's why enemies start blocking
That's for the heavy attack, not for kicks

>>723953142
the whole thing stinks of it wanting to use the vampire the requiem setting at some point in development and they just scrubbed direct mention of it out to be able to use the vampire the masquerade bloodlines title
it would explain why you're a useless shitter even though you're "an elder", why everyone's so shitty and bland, and why all the setting references don't make any real sense

>>723954616
Swansong was shit

>>723954685
No, it pops up the first combat tutorial, but then it says something like "added to codex". You have to go and read the codex. It does not walk you through any of these mechanics. It just assumes you will read the codex to learn them. It's bizarre. I watched Cohhcarnage play the game on stream and he didn't realize he could kick until like an hour into the game when he checked the codex.

>>723954671
I'd be shocked if they ever ditched Nightmare Before Christmas/Zim, I saw them in there 2007~2009 and saw them again in the past few years

>>723954517
Now you are getting ready to move the goalposts. So it has to be a main character vampire and for movies it can't be PG or aimed at the teen audience?
Well at least for movies, ofc that will drastically reduce the popularity of available movies. The largest box office hits were PG stuff. Hell even vampire movies had their boom with the twilight saga.
The main issue is you can't slap VAMPIRE on something and thing it elevates your game/movie. Its a restraint, and you have to work within the restraint called VAMPIRE to create something good.
I think bloodhunt that was mentioned was an pvp arena brawler? Those are not popular at all, vampire or not, there is not an audience for that genre. With a breakout success sure, you could maybe make it happen, but you are betting on a losing horse in hopes of a miracle at that point. Castlevania and legacy of kain games would also be ones I deem successes that feature vampires, but again, probably won't be good enough as they did not sell literally hundreds of millions of copies.

>>723951818
I just got to the part where Christof is going to save the nun in Vienna and all of his buddies agreed to come with him on the suicide mission to save her. The whole scene made me say Kino.

>>723954724
>It never explains that many objects can be picked up and thrown at enemies
Okay at this point I feel like I'm going insane. Read the damn tutorials
>>723954781
>You have to go and read the codex
Yes. Any sane player reads the tutorial when the game says "there's a tutorial for this"
Again, I'm not saying the game is good. If anything, it gives you too much tutorial info rather than too little

>>723954420
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>>723954862
I am telling you that nobody reads the codex. This is the exact same problem Resident Evil had where they forgot to teach people all of these mechanics in the game because "Oh, you can go download the manual online". (The URL Capcom provided in the box was wrong, but hey, Google it.)

Bloodlines 2 needs a revamped tutorial so badly that walks players through how to play the game, how combat works, all of it. They fucked up. People are getting frustrated trying to fight, and not realizing how any of it works, stumbling onto core mechanics hours into the game.

Bloodlines 1 had a super in depth tutorial that went through each mechanic one by one.

>>723954920
>people are too fucking retarded to read the manual
>devs put tutorial chapters where they slowly teach the mechanics
>now every game has a completely worthless opening
Thanks
Read the tutorials. I have never seen anything as stupid as "did you know there's different kicks in the game?" when the game specifically tells you
Whoa dude did you know Mario in SMB can run????

>>723954848
It's actually a very lulzy segment, because you essentially murder your way through the entire Tremere Vienna Chantry, and run into Etrius who then asks Christoff what evil Tremere plan to take over the world they were send to stop this time around.
And when Christoff just tells him he's for Anezka, Etruis goes "the fuck? who the fuck is Anezka? You murdered an entire Chantry for some literal who I don't even know existed 5 minutes ago?".

>>723955051
Haven't played this game but murdering an entire Chantry sounds like something an Antediluvian could barely do
Gotta check out this game I guess

>>723954190
>Lets just pretend everyone plays and loves this game!
>We are so happy we created one of the best games ever and got so many awards!

Kek. No one does. The sales are essentially one third journosd and giveaways for paid promotion and reviews one third is preorders of a different game with the same name that just where never refunded because they were ordered around 1957 and the poeple just died of old age before the game released or forgot about it and the last third are retards who try to eat shit to show their pol-counterparts in the culture war how "good" the game is.

They fucked up the fuckup and now just go into full bpd faggot gaslight mode to somehow salvage face. Imagine filming yourself with a flip phone from the 90's for 20 sec while shitting, uploading this on youtube and a year later you just walz into every film festival available with a rented tuxedo, just invade the stage and start to thanbk everyone for the great support of your masterpiece and that the stars are the limit, excitetly clapping for yourself while everyone else just stands around confused what the fuck is going on before security gets you off stage.

Thats what wittnessing this shitshow feels like. I cant even cringe because for second hand embarrassment I would need to be able to relate to someone lying to themself that hard.

>>723955102
Redemption is VERY mechanically questionable. You essentially murder your way through entire hordes of vampires, to the point it would be classified as an extinction event for some clans.
And sometimes for no good reason, like with Cappadocians and Nosferatu. You just have to go through the sewers that happen to be filled with Nosferatu, so you just murder them as a force of habit.
It's that kinda game.

>>723952898
>their games are good because normalfags love them so you must NEVER be heccin mean to them!
Tell me how I know you love Marvel and have a Netflix subscription.

>>723954457
It's been over for years

>>723949473 (OP)
>it's worse
>b-b-but
fuck you, retard

>>723955102
Nah, even the oldest Tremere barely count as Methuselahs. They turned to vampires in 1022. In the present time they are barely 1000+ years of age. (1003 year old to be specific)

A powerful enough Methuselah can certainly clean up the whole Vienna Chantry, like Baba Yaga or Ur-Shulgi. Let alone proper Antediluvians.

>>723949473 (OP)
is it wrong to create a ghoul just so you can have sex with her all night long?

>>723955280
kek that's awesome
>>723955370
I don't think that's how it works. Just cause you're old doesn't mean you can kill hundreds of vampires at once

>>723955207
The game has 56% approval on Steam, basically fractured into "it's good" and "it sucks". The obvious plan is to keep working on the game so that ratio shifts. This is (unfortunately) how Paradox have always worked. Release game, get backlash, try to fix game, sometimes succeed.

>>723955370
To be fair, that part of Redemption also takes place during Middle Ages. Not that Redemption is particularly faithful to the tabletop mechanics, being a Diablo clone and all.

>>723955409
I wish you could have that blood doll in VTMB2 as your ghoul.

>>723951284
What's culture war about cyberpunk? It doesn't push a right or left wing message. There's a couple of trannies in the game but that's it. It would be unrealistic in such a pozzed and completely fucked up world to have no trannies

>>723955450
it's fractured between "it's shit" and "it's mid". nobody is saying this is a good game

>>723955472
With the power of love you can do anything;)

>>723955409
Well... it's basically what Vukodlak did with Anezka.
And I think we can all agree he was not a good person.

>>723954190
>post-release roadmap
If back in the 90's-early 2000's a studio released a shitty half-baked game then announced "hey guys we will totally make it good in like a year or 2, pinky swear!" they'd get ripped apart and everyonr would call them a bunch of slurs

>b-b-but the post release roadmap will fix it!
>for a game that's been in development for 10 fucking years

>>723955425
>I don't think that's how it works. Just cause you're old doesn't mean you can kill hundreds of vampires at once
Why? A proper Elder can already face multiple vampires and win.
A powerful Methuselah can face multiple Elders and win.
And as we saw in Week of Nightmares, even a starved and mindless Antediluvian can face multiple Methuselahs and eat them.
And that's just straight-up fighting, a powerful Methuselah Malkavian can just use something like Lunatic Eruption and bam, the whole Vienna, including the Tremere Chantry, is now actively fighting each other.

>>723955615
>Diablo 2 (shitty and half-baked until LoD)
>Baldur's Gate 2 (half the spells completely broken, most still unfixed even in remake)
>Jagged Alliance 2 (game breaking bugs until v1.12)
>Fallout Tactics (three modes of play, of which only one was playtested and even that was rushed)
>Dungeon Keeper 2 (so buggy it killed the franchise)
I'm sure there's more but those stood out to me.

>>723955776
To be fair 7 of those years were spent developing two different games we will never see.

What generation is Phyre? Judging from gameplay, it's like... 14?

>>723955893
I think he quips at some point about being a few hundreds years older than the US.

>>723955893
Elder generally implies 8th or better, though there's exceptions.

>>723956004
In 300 years, all the thinbloods are gonna be elders
>>723955996
I know, I'm joking about how fucking weak he is

>>723955893
Allegedly 6th, because... sure.

>>723949473 (OP)
>Can't use guns
Fucking what?

>>723949473 (OP)
You sound so resentful and pissed off.

>>723956030
one Gehenna was not enough

>>723955887
The default for a vamp in Dark Ages tabletop is 10-11-12th gen. And that's 13th century.

>>723956093
>game is so dead and has been so obviously shit for years, that we're never even gonna get a Mass Effect 3 tier "I'm still mad"
sad!

So uhh, why don't vampires turn into ash anymore? Do these niggas understand the implications of that? Are they saying at no point in history has a dead vampire ever been autopsied? Do they even know anything about the setting they're making a game for?

>>723956114
Meant for >>723956004

>>723952562
buy an ad

>>723956114
I never understood this "default" generation thing. Can't a 6th gen vampire decide to embrace a child in 2025?
t. never played a tabletop in my life

>>723949473 (OP)
you're fucking retarded

>>723952562
>modding
>UE5
LMAO, go ask the oblivion remastered mod scene how that went

>>723956159
They should. They REALLY should.
I have a feeling TCR doesn't understand the VtM lore all that well. Because in Bloodlines 2 there are so many seemingly small lore fuckups that then cascade into glaring plotholes when you start thinking about it.

I knew it was joever when they did that LABN campaign.

+ They released tranny Brujah pillowcases as merch LOOOOOL

>>723956186
It's essentially for balance reasons, so that your snowflake 6th gen doesn't overshadow the rest of the group.
But you absolutely can roll a fledgling 6th gen in 2025, if your ST allows it. There are rules for that, in V20 at least.

>>723956371
Makes sense

>>723951205
The CYOA games are better, hell, Swansong is probably better. maybe even Bloodhunt

>>723956114
>Dark Ages tabletop
If you aren't dumping 5 backgrounds dots in Generation you're playing the game wrong.

>>723956584
Why don't you just go diablerize some faggot in torpor

>>723949674
based

>>723956723
Because it's harder than you think. And socially faux pas. Because for obvious reasons, no elder likes a diablerist. Especially during the Dark Ages, when there is no Camarilla police around.

>>723951205
The interactive novels are actually pretty good

>>723956836
>diablerize Caine
>everyone gets mad
>no one can do shit to me cause I'm gen 1
ggez

>>723956868
I mean, who dares, wins, right?

Are these fuckwits at all aware that games only become "cult classics" if there's a good game below the shit, instead of just more shit?
They keep saying this "it'll be a cult hit" line over and over like they think it's something they can decide.

This will become as much of a classic as Vampyr managed to become, and that was a FAR better vampire game.

>>723956557
Justice is better than Bloodhunt (if you have the hardware for it)

>>723956723
Because finding those ain't so easy.
But basically Dark Age chargen is completely broken. It costs 5 "chargen points" to get 2nd dot in a discipline. It costs 1 to improve generation (to a limit of 5).

>>723954457
It could be saved if someone wanted to save it, but no one at Paradox or WW wants to..

>>723956968
Is it balanced by making lower gens less powerful in that setting? Cause setting your gen to 5 seems a bit broken to be desu

>>723956868
Diableri isn't the super powerful cheat code you think it is. It involves consuming the very soul of the victim in question, meaning they will always exist somewhere within. They could very much simply take over the body should their ego/willpower be stronger.

>>723956961
>They keep saying
It's one guy who is either an employee or a big fan of TCR + whoever copied his post for (you) purposes
Don't get mad about it anon, we all know the game is dogshit and that VTMB1 was saved by mods because it had excellent writing already

>>723949473 (OP)
>m-more playercounts than ng4
Fuck fuck all of you worthless cunts. Ng4 is a way better game than this vampireslop trash and deserved more attention from gamers with good taste

>>723956961
Vampyr is a good game thoughever

>>723955776
I think Paradox just made TCR release the game now or else

>>723949473 (OP)
I’m enjoying it because I did not pay for it. I want a vampire FPS so this is as close to that as I’ll probably get. It’s decent for a person with work hours. RPGs are fucking gay and take way too many hours to finish

>>723957002
IIRC, generation doesn't really do that much, it just increases you mana (I mean blood) pool, allows you to no-sell more Dysciplines (when cast by higher gen vsmp) and I think allows to cast Disciplines above 5th dot.
You still need XP, so that you can back up your generation with those sweet, sweet Discipline skills, and that comes with age.

>>723951818
This is the best VTM game. The atmosphere was so good back then. It truly needs a remaster

>>723957213
I see. Generation just increases your skill cap and low gen vampires are powerful because they've been grinding XP for 500 years

Bought it last night and... it's okay? It's not godawful, I can feel the jank from Bloodlines 1 written all over it with the jumping and the walkclimbing. Deb of Night's replacement has her own vibe and is fine.

Fabien is **fine**, and it's kind of interesting how the mystery of his death is solved.

that's as far as I got.

>>723957235
It probably would have had one by now, so it's's probably in rights limbo

>>723957274
The part that's confusing me though is the first gameplay is you eating the first guard. Fine, you just woke up, but then an hour later you find out you woke up and murdered Fabien. I guess you were still hungry after that?

>>723957256
Pretty much. Low generation essentially allows you to cast 25 fireballs per turn instead of 2, but you still need no learn that fucking fireball spell and for that you need experience.

>>723957002
Maybe I wasn't clear - to a limit of spending 5 generation improvements, and you start at gen 12, so best you can get out of chargen is 7.
Which gives you like 3 times blood pool size, 5 times the regeneration speed, access to 6th dot in disciplines and immunity to mindfuckery disciplines from everyone gen 8 or worse (except Tremere have cheat to gets around that, because Tremere).
The only downside is that you're becoming a juicy diablerie target yourself. That is, if someone knows what generation you are. Which they shouldn't unless you let that information slip. Big part of Dark Age is holding back your full power and witholding information from others while assuming everyone else is holding back and witholding information from you.

>>723957323
Don't bother too much about plotholes having to do with the lore/powers of vampires or you'll never be done
If you want a bullshit explanation I pulled out of my ass, having Fabien in his head meant they did a psychic wrestling match for control of the body and passed out as a result

>>723957307
>>723957235
>so it's probably in rights limbo
I remember hearing that the recorded voice lines are owned by a separate company or something?

Anyhoo: www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8cO6HrgEuM&t

>>723955425
That's literally how it works. Have you never read a Gehenna scenario? Or even listened to chatter about Antediluvians in VTMB1? They're demi-gods who are destined to awaken and devour every single one of their progeny while the entire race flails helplessly.

>>723957363
>and you start at gen 12
Well I was going by anon saying Dark Ages default gens are 10-12

>>723957363
>Which they shouldn't unless you let that information slip.
Or you bump into a Tremere.
Because Tremere.
Seriously, Tremere are such a "fuck you. ST" clan.

>>723957402
No, i'm just confused about the events that happened. Were we just not full after eating Fabien and wanted the tasty mall cop?

>>723957412
How does that even happen?

oh yeah that came out

love the facial animations

>>723957469
>No, i'm just confused about the events
Plothole. They forgot that they have a flashback "wake up and eat guy" scene when they made the "wake up and eat guy" opening
Sorry anon, there is no satisfying answer

>>723949674
excellent

>>723957412
Am more excited for this mod than I ever was for this game

>>723957518
Well that's definitely on brand for Bloodlines.

>>723957565
Name 35 plotholes in VTMB1

>>723952562
>It's just like Bloodlines 1
It´s not though, it starts at the devs:

1 small team who made RPGs their whole existance vs 2 big ass studios ,none of them ever working one a rpg, with a retarded publisher
1 is a arpg, the other is marketed as one but lacks any rpg elements.
1 gives the player the freedom to fail objectives meanwhile 2 gives you automatically a "failure- restart from last autosave" as soon as you do not follow the instructions from your handler.
while we´re at it: 1 doesn´t hold your hand all the time, doesnt tell you how to tackle your obstacles or tells you how to feel about certain persons.

The only thing both got in common that both have been released in a unfinished state.
Funny though that in 21 years, instead of adding mechanics, the new studio rather reduced your options if you compare them side by side.
No more inventory, No more chracter sheet, no more creating your own PC, Dialouge options are capped at max 4 options while in some segments you´re not able to finish a conversation until you clicked the right option.
There are no side missions, just fetch quests, no better than bethesdas radiant shit.

This game is more on rails than pokemon snap.

But the worst thing is how woke this shit is, despite shills telling you otherwise.
Beth of the night ot whatever the nostalgiabait is called in 2 tries to dunk on men while promoting self sufficient women on every single episode: if it´s a female voice she talks to, it´s a brave women who is being held down by the evil patriarchy, when it´s a male it´s a fucking normie idiot who could be a caricature of modern muttmerica.
The men you meet on your first hours in game are either: Quirky redditords or incompetent idiots, if they are neither, then they´ll become irrelevant for the story. Females on the other hand seem rational, wise and cool. The more you delve into the story, you realize that the whole plot is based on having retards in every position of power.

>>723956159
Whenever something worng happens, you can blame it either on Archmages or on Fairies. Both of those groups are fucking assholes...fucking fairies and their rainbow glitter magic.....

>>723957213
Blood pool size, and how much blood you can spend a turn (on blood buffing physical attributes, regenerating, and discipline use) is a big one. Especially when you get in combat.

>>723955409
>>723949473 (OP)
Lost gallons to her in Bloodlines 1.

Fuck it I'm finally gonna do it
I'm gonna play this

>>723957591
I just mean the jank of it. I've played that game front to back like twenty times so at this point I know the actual story like the back of my hand and just remember all the jank before I learned how to patch it.

>>723957690
I guess a gay biker werewolf isn't offbrand for them, yeah?

>>723957675
Didn't we all? I mean you gotta feed your ghoul to keep her going...

>>723957641
Yeah, but it's notable, at least in my experience how little time you spend in combat during a session.
Also, you still need skills and Disciplines to back up your blood pool. You can cast lvl 1 Protean 10 more times, but it still will be lvl 1 Protean.

>>723957728
She was a Gangral, not a werewolf.
Does Bloodlines 2 have any Crossover stuff in it at all?

>>723957806
I was talking about the guy on the cover, lol

>>723957605
>1 gives the player the freedom to fail objectives meanwhile 2 gives you automatically a "failure- restart from last autosave"
This one irks me. Not only does it not allow you to fail. I am pretty sure almost every quest has only 1 possible way to finish it. No matter how much you will antagonize whoever is involved, if the NPC is required down the line, they will just refuse to attack you, and the opposite is also true. No matter how much you will try to suck up to someone, if they needed you to fight that NPC, fighting it is.
Its literally a bad visual novel at this point.

>>723957847
fair my mistake

>>723957363
2 times blood pool size, 4 times regen speed, which is still a big difference

>>723957854
>no consequences for whatever you say to NPCs
You should have been aware of that the second you got a little notification saying LOU WILL REMEMBER THAT
It's basically a red flag telling you "just like Telltale games, we're just pretending consequences exist"
Another beautiful demonstration is happening right now with that capeshit game that released, with people realizing literally 0 of the choices matter

>>723949473 (OP)
I actually really like it lol
But that’s also because I fucking love world of darkness and we haven’t gotten a game like this since 2004

>>723957890
>a high generation rating
Jesus christ. Now wonder anons accidentally call low gen high gen all the time

>game so shitty that instead of the usual "IT'S A INSTANT GOTY MUST-PLAY MASTERPIECE AND A NEW STANDARD FOR GAMING IF YOU HATE IT YOU DOM'T EVEN LIKE VIDEOGAMES!!!" bullshit shills can only manage "ehhhh it's kinda okay I guess i dunno I don't think it's that bad" mixed with shitting on the original game to make the sequel look better by comparison
Says a lot desu

>>723949473 (OP)
I loved that fuck trump and conservatives side quest.also why you can't skip the BLM quest?

>>723957957
He seems to have mostly given up by now, but I found it quite funny when the shill was like "the combat is shit, just like 1, and the writing is shit, just like 1, this game is a cult classic"

>>723956868
Waitaminute, if you tried to diablerize Caine and his sevenfold kicked in would he hyper diablerize you without trying or would you double diablerize yourself or would existence demake you?

>>723957794
Sure, but getting decent discipline dots straight out of charge is very much a possibility, trick is know what is and isn't worth getting.
Because most Disciplies are completely off balance too. Protean 1 is worthless, Protean 2 makes HUGE difference in combat (aggravated hand strikes), while 3 and 4 are utility gimmicks for camping out in the woods, and 5 is useful again.
Only physicals (potence, celerity, fortitude) have linear scaling, the rest is rollercoaster of garbage and overpowered.

>>723958125
what's sevenfold
I only get results for avenged sevenfold lel

>>723952562
Bloodlines 1 was a buggy RPG but all of the systems for a good game were already there. The bugs were the issue. This game isn't even an RPG at its core. You'd have to mod in an entire inventory system, weapons, stats, etc. You'd have to turn it into a completely new game.

>>723958240
Bible stuff, any harm done upon Caine will be repaid sevenfold, so that he's forever exile but nobody gonna kill him like a vagRant he is. Lord has certain sense of irony.

>>723957923
For me the penny really dropped when I had to go get the sheriff back. I ended up antagonizing the fuck out of the anarchist which threatened to jump me if I don't hand him over. So I pick every possible FUCK YOU option in the dialogue... and they just back off... after literally threatening me to fuck my shit up.
Consequences? None. The same NPC even asks for help literally in the next quest batch.

>>723958447
And I bet you can't tell the anarchs no when they ask for help either

>>723958028
I'm also amused by how he copes that "mods will fix it" like he thinks there's this dedicated group of "modders" that actively "fix" every single half-baked release because he doesn't understand how modding works or why games get active modding communities & big fanpatches.
He should have a reminder of how modders gave up on Shartfield.

>>723958487
Ofc not.
Its
>Yes I want to be friends
>Yes I have to do it because I am the sheriff
>Yes I will do it because I want a favour
Fucking retarded.

>>723956925
I know it's a joke stat sheet but does Caine still die to the sun? Or is that also something he cursed his offspring with, same as the clan weaknesses?

>>723958213
And then you have fucking Thaumaturgy.
>Path of Blood, dot 1: I can read your backstory through your blood
>Path of Blood, dot 3: I can increase my blood pool a bit.
>Path of Blood, dot 5: I can blow you up by looking at you.
>Path of Conjuration, dot 1: I can summon a stick.
>Path of Conjuration, dot 3: I can summon a nuclear warhead.
Yeah, it's a rollercoaster.

>>723957605
I´m not done yet but my post was near 2k signs, which will filter most retards from reading it so here´s part two of my rant:

While the game might look comfy at some point, especially in the streets, the streets feel even more static than in BL1, which released 21 years ago.

The game between the story segments is:
Farming 3 different bloodtypes in the lifeless streets (love/ambivalence/wrath).
So in the streets you either drink some blood to unlock the other clans skills, or you zoom over the roofs to the next story exposition which you have to endure because in the end, nothing matters. You don´t have the option to become the new towns arrange boy, which is more than dissapointing.

You play a ancient vampire, which in fact has a very qustionable history but that was expected from incompetent writers, who has to run arrands for the strong and brave women vamp leaders of town. You got a ventrue who doens´t want to be in spotlight of being the real prince (wtf?) then you got chink ventrue hired by the big titty ventrue to be the exhibit leader. But here comes the best part of it, so the chink leader hired ofc some underlings, who are the most trusted underlings of her?
A gay quirky nosferatu who is never being adressed as hideous or ugly, hell even nos isn´t politically correct so there´s that and the better part is, the chink ventrue also hired a wholesome tremere redditete who is currenctly the love of all the beta orbiters which is also the main villan which is only possible because both ventrue bossgirls forgot to check the background of our redditete.

Here are some less infuriating facts about this piece of shit:

Brujah leader is a white bald rockertype who of course is a soft faggot inside.
There´s only one other Tremere in this game, which is looking like a elder at least but she cant see trough the redditetes act because if she would, the whole game would be over before it started.
The NPC interaction is just sad.

>>723958657
Is it a good stick?

>>723958739
It's made of blood, so I dunno.

>>723958657
Also Lure of Flames, where dot 1 is technically enough to cause Rotschreck.
Because Tremere.

>>723958725
You are experiencing what people have said from the start: The plot in this game is only possible because none of the vampires are smart or mistrustful of others
Which is of course hilarious for this setting

>>723956961
No amount of mods ever fixed BL1's bad gameplay and useless stat sheet or piss weak story. But they let the walking sim stuff shine more.

>>723958725
>the chink ventrue also hired a wholesome tremere redditete who is currenctly the love of all the beta orbiters which is also the main villan which is only possible because both ventrue bossgirls forgot to check the background of our redditete.
And in order for that shit to work, your PC has to be a moron as well. Because on a tabletop, a Tremere erlder Phyre would be having SO MANY ways to rat her out, she shouldn't even come into contact with him if she knows what's good for her.
There is a reason why Tremere antitribu die very quickly.

>>723952729
No it became classic because it was a broken ass game that had charm. Definition of eurojank

>>723958954
Shut the fuck up shill

Does anyone know of any way to replace punching animation to another clans?

I hate Tremere fingering

>buggy unplayable shit until fans fixed it 20 years later
Why do I keep seeing this cope everywhere? It's not just on 4chan either. I beat Bloodlines for the first time back in 2006 and it was perfectly fine outside of some crashes here and there. It didn't take 20 years to fix the game. This sounds like something clueless zoomers post because they saw some other zoomer say that on steam or some shit. It's just retards parroting each other. Half of the steam reviews claim that "the original game was unplayable for 20 years." No it fucking wasn't.

>>723951284
Not so suprising if you have paid attention to the TT game. Post Rein Hagen the TT got so woke that it caused an international incident with the Ambassadors of some countries jumping in. The entire writing crew was canned.

Cyberpunk 2077 was somewhat of a suprise, becaues of how give no fucks Pondsmith is.

>>723958976
I thought it's just vampire racism because they're not REAL vampires but their bloodline founder is a dumb mage
But this thread is making it sound like Tremere are the "you can do ANYTHING and break the setting" faction so I guess the implication is every vampire wants them dead before they fuck up the whole power structure

>>723959019
>I hate Tremere fingering
prude

>>723958725
>wholesome tremere redditete
Please don't tell me this is the reason why I don't get a
>romance
Popup with her? I swear, is there a single good looking female you can romance?

>>723958920
>because none of the vampires are smart or mistrustful of others
Its also hilarious because it should be piss fucking easy to use their mistrust and paranoia as a catalyst for a story, and not the exact opposite.

>>723958832
Nah, Lure of Flames is actually the biggest "gotcha" Path in all of Masquerade. Because it has no friend or foe distinction and it works on you and your allies as well. If you are stupid enough or your ST is a dick, you can as easily Rötschrek yourself. Or, worst case scenario, set yourself on fire.

>>723949473 (OP)
>until fans fixed it 20 years later
wesps patch has been around for a long ass time anon

>>723959049
the majority of people never played it at all and the ones who only did so a few years ago

>>723959131
AAAAAA NOW I IMAGINED WHAT THE GAME WAS LIKE IF IT HAD BEEN A LUCKY NUMBER SLEVIN SCENARIO AND I MADE MYSELF SAD AAAAAAAAAA
If whoever reads this doesn't understand the reference, go watch that mobie. It's excellent and explaining what I mean would immediately spoil it

>>723958725
*You don´t have the option to NOT become the new towns arrange boy, which is more than dissapointing.

Anyways, back to my unhinged tangent:

So you play a fucking vampire ancient who is somewhere between 600 and 300 years old, I say it this way because the way the protag is written is just a mix of shit. In the first few hors the protag say to your quirky voice in your head, that the MC is at least 150 years older than "your country" which implies the ancient vampire was embraced around 1620-30 at best. Yet this vampire knows all about murrica, since he heard seatlle before, and elevators don´t seem to ordinary for it. Hell even the voice inside your head doesn´t need to explain elevators to the MC but the gramophone .

Then a feww hrs later, if you talk to the redittet vampire, she asks you if you remember something happening in universe around 1620 and the vampire talks as if it was present back then, yet nobody in this game treats you with the respect such a vampire should expect.
The best thing though, that it´s not enough that we´re already a elder/ancient, nah, we´re also to that a legendary figure, in universe which is called the nomad, at this point you should expect the court to give you some place to chill out, try the lastest bloodpacks and shit, yet you´re being sent away with the jobbers postion because the old dog on a leash fled.
This game respects nothing, not the first game, not the core books and neither the fans expectations.


3/10 for trying. webm kinda unrelated.

>>723949473 (OP)
>still more sales than avowed
ms really underreporting how much that game flopped

>>723959295
>Yet this vampire knows all about murrica
He went into torpor in the 1920s, you must have missed that line. He is indeed from the 1600s or so but has lived "normally" until the 1920s, where he then went into torpor
>but anon, doesn't that make the line of questions about guns retarded since he would know about them?
Yes

>>723959207
I was either using the last official patch or one of the earliest fan patches back in 2006 and the game was definitely beatable. I've been replaying it every few years since then. It's just bizarre that I keep seeing the "not playable for 20 years" phrase spammed everywhere when Bloodlines has had a strong fan base on 4chan for as long as I can remember with plenty of people beating it over and over like myself.

>>723955528
>nobody is saying this is a good game
It's not exactly good, just the best VTM game. Which is damning with faint praise, I guess.

>>723959295
>you are this legendary ancient
>the very well known nomad
Yeah, who cares, here can you deliver this package for the coffee shop please.

>>723959143
>you can as easily Rötschrek yourself
Just close your eyes when you cast it. ;^)
Besides, combat everyone fled from is a combat you've survived. Sometimes that's all you really want.

Can you at least say "shut the fuck up I don't care" to all the faggots asking you to do shit even though you're a legendary elder?
I know it's not an RPG so you'll still have to do the delivery boy quests but I at least want the character to be annoyed about it

>>723949473 (OP)
Cool still not going to buy it or play it.

>>723954190
>White Wolf, The Chinese Room, and Paradox Interactive

the 3 cuckscateers

>>723958527
I just thought it was because the skyrim modders are eternal, and they WOULD have gone to that game if it was Skyrim in space but it just was't

>>723959683
based

>>723959595
you can be aloof or compassionate to Fabien after it turns out you killed him waking up

>>723959720
Onyx path is mentioned so it at least not the four horseman

>>723959720
The funy thing is that WW is literally Paradox at this point

>>723959069
There is this, yes, but the other reason is that they are ASSHOLES. They casually commit genocide after genocide FOR SCIENCE and are currently on the shitlist of: Gangrel, Nosferatu, Tzimisce, Assamite, Salubri, most likely Giovanni and that's on top of actual mortal mages.
That's why they are sticking together is those highly hierarchical structures and are ridiculously secretive and paranoid. Because "everything is trying to kill you" is a legit thing when you are a Tremere. And the only thing stopping a vampire from killing a Tremere on the spot, is the knowledge that the entire fucking clan of ruthless blood mages with descent upon the aforementioned vampire with fire and brimstone if he tries something funny.
That's why Tremere antitribu are so utterly fucked, because at this point you are alone - and the Camarilla wants to kill you, Tremere want to kill you, Sabbat wants to kill you because fuck you and the Mages want to kill you. There is technically House Goriartix, but that's essentially the Pyramid 2.0 that are mercs to Sabbat, but are not technically a part of Sabbat.
That's why this whole thing about Safia is so fucking stupid.

>>723959595
>Can you at least say "shut the fuck up I don't care" to all the faggots asking you to do shit even though you're a legendary elder?

No, simply put. Unless you say that not asking if you can have a fetch quest is a no for you, then yes.

But for the main quest/case, it´s 100% railroads, you don´t get to progress it unless you ask the one specific line between the options which is the flag for the next part of the conversation.
Sure you can tell the vampires that they are retarded, but you will take the next lead serious, if you like it or not.

>>723959758
I think I said oh welp sorry I didn't know what I was doing, that's just how torpor works
He didn't seem too broken up about it

>>723949473 (OP)
I didn't get any rpg vibes from it so I haven't bought it. And no, 4 dialogue options that don't matter isn't an rpg mechanic.

>>723959815
>it´s 100% railroads

>>723959841
that would be because it isn't an rpg mr namefaggot

Bloodlines 2 is going to be a cult classic just like the first one I'm watching the reception closely and it’s exactly like in 2004 quite literally history repeating itself

The only remaining healthy part of WoD portfolio is the card game, and even that got V5 treatment of downgrading unique disciplines into their merged alamgams.

>>723959963
Cult classics usually do something correct that makes a small community happy, but this one doesn't have any of the charm original had.

>>723959815
>>723959891
My favourite part are the detective bits. Where you have to use your power to convince a NPC by choosing the correct options in a dialogue.
You don't get any environmental hints, there is no detective work that would really clue you in. You just have to chose 1:4 options and if you chose the wrong one... you are forced to restart the dialogue, until you hit the right one. And they are multi step dialogues as well. So you have to find a 1:4, then 1:4 and another 1:4.... Whoever designed this shit, I hope they trip and sprain their ankle.

>>723952231
>check the review
>all in the head
what the fuck

>>723960108
and what, you just keep picking until you get it right?

>>723960108
yeah, the amazing malkvian gameplay, is just like in my VTMB1. Also you can use your powers but only on certain NPCs and only if a script flag is met, if not, the PC will just say that it didn´t happened this way.

Also the audio work, I play a female MC, when I´m out sucking off random NPCs they change their freaking voices, at this point i don´t even know if this game had a QA. Also a lot of this models in the street are designed also very androgynous like the MC.

>>723959991
Doesn't the latest virtual version of the card game called Clans of London suck?

>>723960108
I got it on my first try I guess you weren’t paying attention

>>723949674
based

>>723960304
>attention
It´s not about attention you braindead retard.
I doesn´t matter what you got on your first try, it´s the fact that the devs couldn´t implement any deviation in their story.

You´re just defending lazyness and bad "game" design.

only chart that matters chud

>pick tremere
>my character starts throwing gang signs instead of punches
What did they mean by this? Is it because of the black guy inside of me?

>>723949473 (OP)
>cant launch
>cant run
>town is empty
>cant move
>cant change things

>>723959813
Can't the Tremere just pretend to be Ventrue or something? Or can vampires instinctively smell each other's clan?

>>723960507
for shills and shareholders

>>723959991
VTES post Black Chantry is an unplayable powercreep cringe fest

>>723955510
>It doesn't push a right or left wing message
Capitalism is bad is usually a left wing message, plus all that anarchist stuff

>>723960639
Yeah each clan gives off a different aura that can be seen by Auspex

>>723960591
I've seen an anon post a screenshot of an NPC-less town, looked retarded

>>723960290
Yeah, Fall of London was a bit of a dud, but there was new Lasombra and Hecata since both of which are pretty great, and new four new Sabbat decks comming out this month, all of which look promising.

>>723960707
So the same as every other TCG on the market then, least WW haven't gone to the stygian depths of WOTC has...yet.

Do you fight humans at some point or not even that is allowed? So far all i've seen are ghouls, i guess technically humans but thats a cop out.

>>723960770
>more allies
>more allies
>more ani + dom
>more allies
wow yeah great

>>723960797
You can go punch NPCs I guess (if the masquerade meter fills up just run away)

>>723960707
Sounds like someone got Bait&switched few too many times.

>>723952314
This was a cry for help. I was asking if anyone got it working. 1fichier, gofile, FuckingFast, are all corrupted and broken. Trying FileQ now but I'm not optimistic.
>inb4 buy the game
lol

>>723960734
Johnny is a punk rocker and he is portrayed as an impulsive idiot most of the time. Obviously he's going to want to smash the system. It's not really pushing an agenda. I've known plenty of dumb punk kids just like him back in the day.

>>723960639
Clans with good enough Auspex can smell your blood. The problem is that, two of the clans that have Tremere on their shitlist and kill them on sight have Auspex as their main Discipline. One of those clans is fucking Tzimisce.

>>723960108
Sasuga TCR

jesus christ the shills just don't give up

>>723959295
>>723959507
Isn't "The Nomad" supposed to have purged some cities like Constantinople or something and be a legendary feared figure?

>Here's the Butcher of Constantinople, she's 400 years old.
>Yeah sure, now make me a coffee gurl

In the rpg, there is the tradition of the boon, but when a Prince asks a boon of someone older and more respected he is expected to be very polite.

>>723951135
no each slot is only for that teir, this only becomes clear once you have spent the points btw

Can you fuck that thick bitch Lou or that chink girl or are you just some walking vamp cuck?

>>723960770
No, I'm talking about the phone version Paradox announced last year and is still in Beta

>>723957605
>>723958725
>>723959295
Good rant but not really worth getting mad over a 5/10 game that will be completely forgotten in 10 days.

This is not a "cult classic" in the making, this is Thi4f all over again.

Can a Prince just step down and rule via puppet Princes or is that something they made up for this?

>>723960961
Yeah the game makes it a point several times over how you're some legendary figure but everyone treats you like some errand boy. The explanation they give is that you lost most of your powers but it's still weak.

>>723949473 (OP)
Biggest problem for me is 0 roleplay options you would have in tabletop (and which you had in the 1st game) and 0 reactivity personal to this or that clan.
Example:
If you play tremere Chuijre has 0 reaction to learning that the pyramid is no more and you can't taste the blood to know if the other tremere are tremere and not ass mites pretending to be them which is a provlem

>>723960983
Oh, can't comment on that didn't even know it exists until now.

>>723960980
Why ask a question if you already know the answer?

>>723961039
it's a thing.

>>723960980
Lol, lmao even.
You can fuck the granny, the zoomer artist or a blackkween but you won´t fuck the hot girls.
Also "fuck" in a VN. You get a fade to black and that´s your fucking scene, enjoy thirsty gooner.

>>723961039
Sometimes the prince can step down, but sometimes they can't. It's probably based on his the prince has competent and willing successor to take over ,so the former prince can spend time doing something else.

>>723960961
The game's excuse is that Phyre was struck with some kind of blood curse upon waking up and now their powers are severely limited, which enourages kids like Lou to talk back at them.
And that's another "don't think about it" moment, because you know, Sherlock, blood curse. What clan specializes in blood curses? Which clan members should immediately be on Phyre's shitlist?
MOTHERFUCKER, START USING YOUR HEAD FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN SUCKING EVERYBODY'S DICK.

>>723961098
Agreed on every point. The summary of this game is: They didn't make an RPG in any way, they put in XP to make it look like an RPG if you squint

>>723961039
>Can a Prince just step down
Yeah, sometimes they resign formally proposing a successor, sometimes they just say fuck it go to torpor without telling anyone and let power vacuum sort itself out. But most will try to hold onto the power tooth and nail until final death.

>>723961282
>What clan specializes in blood curses
Banu Haqim
Also it just seems like a bad idea to bully an Elder who is currently on a quest to get his powers back

This feels like a game not even the devs wanted to make.
They just got someone elses unfinished project, stitched it up until it was playable and kicked it out

>>723961205
doujins will fill in these glaring gaps in narrative, hopefully

>>723961460
nobody's going to make shit

hurr durr maybe someone else's passion will improve my lifeless turd of a game

>>723960696
i don't think paradox is the beast polluting the waters of democracy

>>723961412
Still, there is one Baba Yetu and two Tremere in the city, that's not much. I am just going to put them on my suspicion list and see what shakes loose.

It's very obvious the game is a mess after playing it a bit. The game randomly played an ambient track by Rik Schaffer that screamed ambience, and then randomly went back to the game's other generic tracks.
You find just hordes of random anarchs to fight in the streets. Don't think the devs even understand the basic premise of the anarch movement or that they play along with the Camarilla (mostly). They literally just sprinkled them around like generic enemies and made them talk like slightly more idealistic Sabbat from the first game (and the Sabbat depiction in the first game was already innacurate).

But most of all I really dislike how linear it all feels. Go here, talk to this person. Now go here, talk to this person. Now go here.
Which is made even worse given that there are no longer any real stat checks.
It really feels like a walking simulator with some generic buggy combat slapped in. And the tone in the writing is all over the place. Fabien sounds like a faggot, not a detective. And his stupid ass does NOT shut up for one fucking second, holy shit. There's nothing to pick up, nothing to see or do. The whole game just feels really empty and narrow.

And 'Bet of Night' is just fucking stupid and the actress did a terrible job.It stinks of 'haha remember the first game' and just being put there because of that rather than wanting to actually do some worldbuilding.

Seattle looks pretty (the characters don't, though, ESPECIALLY random npcs) and I guess that's about the only positive thing I have to say about the game. I expected nothing and I was still extremely disappointed.

>>723961282
For what it's worth to get the Prince ending you need to actively antagonize all the leaders of the game so you don't HAVE to go along with them talking down to you.

>>723949473 (OP)
I'm not playing because it's made on the Unrealsop Engine.

>>723961331
Guess it was a condition for using "bloodlines" in the title

Game would be much better if it was a detective game where you play as reddit autist malk detective - at least he has personality

>>723961412
Lou's not the sharpest tool in the shed. She actually did kill every competent Kindred in Seattle and got promptly hit with a Josef Stalin problem of every single of her successors being an absolute idiot with a death wish.

>>723961615
>not polluting democracy by lying shills and chinkbots
Whatever let's you sleep at night t.ranny but we've talked about stocks and happy shareholders which don't belong on /v/ unless you profit of making shit products and sell it under fake advertisement.

>>723949473 (OP)
This shitass game is garbage, and you buying it because you're retards with no self control means the next game will be made by them too and be even worse.

You fuckers that bought this should have been aborted.

>>723949473 (OP)
Bait used to be believable

The game has extremely mid combat and male Phyre voice acting is questionable at best (and there really should've been a custom character).
HOWEVER after the first 30 minutes of the game I finally realized that male Phyre's voice and manner of speech remind me of Tommy Wiseau. So I set combat difficulty to casual to one-hit all the enemies, now I'm just roleplaying Tommy Wiseau if he vampire and the game suddenly became enjoyable. To be 100% real, it's extremely linear """story-driven narrative experience""". I'm yet to see anything resembling my dialogue choices mattering anywhere except being mentioned a few times in dialogues. I really like gliding from one rooftop to another like Dracula too, and it just makes me sad that a mechanic like that was wasted on what's basically a linear walking simulator with tacked on Arkham-style combat instead of being in a decent Vampire-themed RPG/immersive sim like Bloodlines 2 was supposed to be.

>>723961615
The beast's name is Legion for they are many. Paradox isn't anywhere near the biggest maggot but it is is one of them.

>>723961960
>now I'm just roleplaying Tommy Wiseau if he vampire
Does he know?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_That_Drips_Blood_on_Alex

>>723961412
>Also it just seems like a bad idea to bully an Elder who is currently on a quest to get his powers back
A renowned Elder who is temporarily inconvenienced would be treated with respect by both younger friends or foes. If you wanted to kill/manipulate him then you'd pretend to be respectful until your betrayal, as is right. If you wanted to curry favor you'd be respectful in order to curry favor.

Treating a temporarily inconvenienced Elder like a little bitch is a recipe for an eventual extremely painful future. It's very retarded.

>>723961960
Haha what a story Anon
Anyway how is your sex life

>>723961960
>I really like gliding from one rooftop to another like Dracula too, and it just makes me sad that a mechanic like that was wasted on what's basically a linear walking simulator with tacked on Arkham-style combat instead of being in a decent Vampire-themed RPG/immersive sim like Bloodlines 2 was supposed to be.
The shill constantly called this a Dishonored game and he was right, insofar that it just makes me wanna replay Dishonored and actually have fun

>>723949473 (OP)
>was thinking about buying it
>hear that it doesn't even have a proper character creation system and decide to skip it
>unknowingly also avoided all sorts of other bullshit
So we just wait for Code Vein 2 for a decent vampire experience?

>>723962080
>Anyway how is your sex life
...fuck you.

>>723961941
>buying it
stop projecting your retardation onto others
no one here mentioned buying the game even once

Already beat it, you don't need to shill single player game stats because it's not live service and will not have players in it 24/7. Player count cucks are fucking pathetic

>>723949473 (OP)
Holy cope.

>>723958580
Nope Caine can't die from the sun, and yeah it's something he cursed his offspring with.

>>723952562
The patches for 1 just fixes crashes and retore some content, bloodlines 2 would require modders to make new content and entire new systems, it's not the same at all.

>>723962235
>nigs

>>723962235
>the girlboss face

I swear to god, there was no reason for Safia to be a Tremere, it would actually would make more story sense if she wasn't. But I suspect the devs wanted to trick the players with the memetic "Tremere waifu" and accidentally wrote themselves into a wall, without even realizing it.

>>723962338
Looks more like a Native American than Nigger

>>723962341
wait, that's a woman?

>oh wow you're this famous elder who's here under mysterious circumstances and have weird marks all over your body
>i know! I'm going to treat you like a random fledgling and insult you

I don't think the Chinese Room ever cracked open a single VTM book.

>>723962349
>I suspect the devs wanted to trick the players with the memetic "Tremere waifu"
But why?
Seems like it a waste for no other reason but to own the chuds online

>>723962428
Believe me, I had to use this gif many times over the past year or so

>>723949473 (OP)
eat a dick, shitjeet the shill.

>>723962453
Reading books and understanding something is for chuds and incels and nerds

Vtm now is for the Kool Kidz drama Klub people who lost their v card before 20 - it even has queersferatus now

>>723962474
I don't think you understand how much these types hate you, they don't want you having a single second of happiness of or joy in your life and will go out of their way to accomplish that.

What I don't get is why they were so obsessed with making the protagonist an elder if:
> we don't have the powers or influences of one
> we literally have a magical mark on us that nerfs us to fledgling-tier
> everyone treats us as their personal delivery boy
> we LITERALLY work for a Prince that has been in that position for 3 days (in kindred time, that may as well be "there's not a Prince in the city at all")

For this type of game, the MC should be a 13th gen AT BEST.

>>723949473 (OP)
>in active development for almost a decade
>27020 player peak
lol

I don't understand why our dude is not getting shit for performing diablerie because his aura should light up like a christmas tree under any auspex, and he did it recently as well.

>>723962453
They could have been used the Boon Tradition to kickstart the plot.

>We welcome you to Seattle, Elder. We hope your stay will be pleasant and your nights fruitful.
>If I may, we have a little problem. I wouldn't dare to presume, but if I could ask a boon for your stay...

Voila, you've got the inciput for the first main quest.

>>723960896
>an impulsive idiot most of the time.
https://www.instagram.com/reels/DPRmf3HCVAD/
He's literally the very opposite according to Pondsmith

>>723962610
Can you refuse to take Sheriff position?

>>723962628
Because nobody uses Auspex in this fucking game. Otherwise, Safia's whole plan would've gone to shit.

>buggy unplayable shit until fans fixed it 20 years later
Wrong, only a retard who never played it and only went by hearsay would believe so.
>everyone hates gunplay in the original bloodlines
It was hated because the balance was shit and they were too weak, and because the gunplay wasn't exciting. Again, you go by hearsay and don't know shit about what you speak about.
>bloodlines 1 had like 50 fucking fed-ex quests everyone wished they could skip
Just making shit up.
>like 75% of original game skills were fucking useless
Wrong again.

>>723959415
It's just reddit lore at this point as expected of anything that happened 20 years ago. The objectively true fact is that the 1.0 release version is genuinely unbeatable without console commands. But the final patch Troika kicked out before they were dissolved made the game finishable.

>>723961657
>Fabien sounds like a faggot, not a detective. And his stupid ass does NOT shut up for one fucking second, holy shit.
This is far and away my biggest problem with the game. More than the dogshit combat where half the special moves are pointless, the broken facial animations worse than an early 2000s proto-Source title, the masquerade meaning nothing and healing within twenty seconds on a rooftop after a streetside supernatural killing spree, no gunz, genociding more ghouls as mooks than a city should have in the first hour of the game, etc I genuinely can not take in a scene or look at anything myself without first suffering Johnny Detectivehand babbling like a R*ddit reject for half a minute first.

I feel like I'm playing one of the fucking remake Gods of War with how incessant the NPC """helper""" chatter is. I can't even look at a graffiti collectable without first suffering
>OOO LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE HAS IT OUT FER YA
>LOCAL ANARCHS? GOTTA BE
>SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE TAGGIN UP THEIR NEW TURF
>WAIT A MINUTE THAT MARK
>*TELEKINESIS TUTORIAL POPS UP AGAIN*
>MAYBE YOU COULD.....USE YOUR POWER....ON THAT GRAFFITI?
>YOU'RE THE ELDER HERE BIG GUY NOT ME

>>723962610
it's another consequence of the game being in dev hell, remade over and over again
Pretty sure in one of the original scrips the PC was going to be a thinblood

>>723957492
So THIS is the power of UE5.....

>>723962628
Auspex is ass
It only colours fee fees of mortals now and you can't see auras with it

>>723962235
>thai ladyboy

>>723962674
I don't have an instagram so I can't see whatever e-celeb is telling you how to think. I played the game twice and fully know how retarded Johnny is most of the time.

>>723962645
Or, you can make a story about the Elder establishing his position in a new city, by playing other factions and consolidating power. Like in, I dunno, Fallout New Vegas? Or even Pathfinder: Kingmaker?

>>723962453
I think Chinese Room got this one right, lots of the characters are American vampire, compare to the European these guys are very young and lack in respecting anything.

>>723962628
because once again, TCR does not understand VTM and did not make an effort to learn the setting
They made random anarchs random enemies you can just go around killing a few dozen of without anyone batting an eye.
They fundamentally don't understand what their setting is like.

>>723962807
It's an interview with Pondsmith himself, I don't have a better source and that's the first google result. His words, not some eceleb's.

>>723949843
>Estrogen on an otherwordly being that doesnt have blood circulation or a metabolism

Whuh?

>>723962973
I don't care how Johnny was conceived back in the 80s. CDPR's Johnny is an impulsive, drug and booze addled idiot and plenty of people constantly call him out for it. He's a likeable idiot, though. The game still isn't pushing a leftist agenda simply because a punk rocker that wants to smash the system is stuck in your head.

>>723961039
Part of the fun of VTM is that every city is a world in itself.
You have places where everything was the classic Camarilla structure, to weird places like Cairo (where a Caitiff rules the place), Paris (where the Sabbat had a fucking embassy) and Rio de Janeiro (where, apparently, there's a Camarilla-Sabbat truce).

I think in most cities, the Prince would be insane to leave his post and play puppeteer as obvious as Lou does (because the rest of kindred are not retards, so what do you actually accomplish with that?).
Also, if she doesn't want to deal with the obligations of being a Prince, she can just appoint a Senetal to deal with everything (as well as any of the other dozen of positions available in a Camarilla city structure).

>>723962973
nta and I didn't read it, but yes, Johnny is 90% posturing
you can see the walls break down at several points in the game, at his grave in the oil fields for example
he's an actual nuanced character, people who think he's just 'yeaaaah fuck capitalism fuck corpos!!' just skipped every dialog.

>>723961458
It's a very small studio, and I doubt Paradox gave them much to make a game out of all the assets they had.

It was probably just a paycheck for everyone involved.

I'm fine with the gameplay when playing on hard
The problem is everything that isn't the gameplay (i.e. 80% of the game)

>>723963185
He's not a one dimensional character but he's still "fuck corpos fuck capitalism" at his core. You're downplaying a huge fucking part of his personality.

>>723963225
>It's a very small studio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chinese_Room
Number of employees
55 (2025)[1]

>>723963319
How are you fine with the need to walk from one part of the city to another as the detective, for several minutes straight while absolutely no music or dialogue plays?

>>723949473 (OP)
Why are you shilling for a half-assed cashgrab? What do you gain out of it?

>>723963407
>The problem is everything that isn't the gameplay
Walking isn't gameplay. So yes the problems include that

>>723963158
>because the rest of kindred are not retards
I dare to disagree. Have you seen those yahoos running the Seattle Court?
>Part of the fun of VTM is that every city is a world in itself.
Oh, yeah. My last session took place in the 90's in Cracow, Poland. It was so fun, because that part of Europe is a giant white spot on the VtM map, so I was allowed to do whatever.
There was the whole Tremere vs Brujah cold war going on within the Camarilla, while Anarch communists were licking their wounds and Sabbat Tzimisce pouring into the city from every direction.
It was such a ride for my players.

>make a walking sim
>running breaks the masquerade
delightfully devilish

>>723949473 (OP)
I didn't even know this game was released, until this thread

That's impressively flopping

>>723963490
It doesn't. They specifically say that running doesn't break it
As in, there literally is a little line saying "running doesn't break the masquerade" in the masquerade tutorial

>>723963548
'vampire' running breaks it
ie if you hold the dash button to go full speed

>>723962740
Its a cuff game

>>723963578
o ok
same as the double jump then, you never care about it and just go up a roof when the meter fills

>>723963548
Naruto run breaks it

>>723960118
I feel like it's the same situation like with Bloodlines 2. The devs probably just wanted to get it all over with.

>>723963603
Is that a fucking Flopspoken reference? I hope cufflikes become a thing

>>723963485
This is what angers me the most about this game: the setting is so fertile for fun and interesting storytelling, and the fuckers give us...this soulless shit.

Calling the characters cardboard would be an insult to cardboard.

You know what this game reminds me of? The VR Vampire sorta stelath game where you play as Lasombra. It was also mid but you could use your shadow power to teleport like in Dishonored.

>>723952373
It's clear that like half the people who bought it immediately went for refunds after the first hour.

>>723963728
Or was it Benu Haqim? Well, it was pretty mid. It even had Dishonored hand crossbow in it.

>>723959928
1 was an arpg and redemption is an rpg. The setting comes from a tabletop game. Seems normal to expect rpg mechanics.

>>723960734
Johnny Silverhand says verbatim, straight out, that it's not about anti capitalism, the game does not push any such messages, unless you mean all dystopian cyberpunk stories are "anti capitalism"
I guarantee that Mike Pondsmith is more racist than the average poltard btw, being a high IQ black, he dislikes his own people, and with good reason

Thematically they got rid of the grunge and brought nothing in return. It's unironically soulless.

I'm just glad this shit is finally out and flopping too so the paid shills get can stop making daily fucking threads.

>>723959928
>replying to tripfags
I shiggy diggy.

Honestly the only aspect of the game I can't say anything bad about is environments. Even facial animations are wooden, enemy models are rought, but snowy city at night looks great. There's not a lot of interiors though which is a shame because artists showed that they can make them good. Wonder which part of it was the original team's work, if any.

Bloodlines 2 patch just dropped on Steam. Almost certainly just bug fixes at this point.

>>723949473 (OP)
yes the game being bad filtered me, so I didn't buy it or play it
>how do you know its bad if you didn't play it?
it looks bad, every video review featuring gameplay looks bad, the dialogue looks stupid, the combat looks bad, the rpg elements look bad

>>723955510
this is who you're talking to

>>723952231
It's worth noting that Mandalore didn't care for A Machine for Pigs, and this game is so much like A Machine for Pigs its big twist is literally that the villain went mad with grief and build a big machine under the city to turn humans into monsters.

>>723964072
>it's not about capitalism but it's actually about capitalism
That's what your image basically says. What do you think a people's war against a corrupt system implies?

[Buy a fucking ad]

>have twice the developers
>twice the time
>more money
>20 fucking years of technological advancement

>STILL get embarrassed by a 2004 game
Do you think they feel shame?

>>723964498
And the joke is, the Tremere REALLY don't need such motivations like "going mad from grief" to build big machines to turn people into monsters. They would've done it FOR SCIENCE. And one time, they actually did.

>>723964586
It's like 30 anons shitting on the game at this point, my man. These are more anger management threads rather than shill threads

>>723964637
fourth from left is CUTE
I'd buy her game

>>723964721
>>723964498
Most TCR games are about a character struggling to get past the death of someone they loved, so they either waddle around some cliffs for an hour monologing or they go bananas and kill everyone.

>>723964469
>shove your politics into the game
>STOP DISCUSSING WHAT WE PUT IN THE GAME
this doesn't work anymore lol

>>723958580
His sorry progeny were cursed due to their crime of diablerizing his direct childer, the 2nd generation.

>>723965058
discuss the games politics then not your made up mutt tribal bullshit.

>>723965058
how can someone be this dumb and not know what Cyberpunk 2020 was about
i mean at least look up what you're trying to confront

>>723964923
Sure, but that's not really a good fit for a VtM story. Because vampires kinda... don't care? They are all egotistical, paranoid creatures that prioritize their own surivial over everybody elses, because that's the part of the curse the have.
Maaaaaaaaybe that would've work with some Toreador with some misplace love going on. BUT NOT WITH A FUCKING TREMERE WHO ARE ALL THOUGHT FROM THE VERY FIRST NIGHT TO BE COLD, DETACHED, EFFICIENT AND ONLY LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES.

>>723958580
Caine doesn't really die to anything on a narrative level because God won't let him. VTM as a setting, the existence of vampires and all the suffering the world has endured due to them is basically just God wanting to make Caine admit he was wrong. You could attempt to diablery on him, you could drop a mountain on him, you could throw him into the sun- And he'd probably come back because God won't let him fall till he's said sorry.

>>723959054
wdym surprise, in a good or bad way?
the most woke shit ive seen in cp77 is the tranny "content creator" and thats one mission

>>723965363
>live thousands of years as an all-powerful vampire
>say sorry
>go to paradise
Ultimate version of Pascal's Wager

>>723964637
they'll feel something else when they get fired because this game is not breaking 100k sales.

>>723965361
Toreadors are the only kindred with the semblance of a beating heart, but even that it can be very touch and go. Otherwise yes you're completely right, 99% of vampires are cold assholes, the idiot emotional retards tend to be culled quickly

If any of you triple niggers actually bought this game please go back to whatever tranny jeet chink site you came from.

>>723965361
The entire point of VTMB2 is this idea that vampires can, maybe, change. That clan stereotypes don't mean anything. That we can be more than we think we are.

>>723949473 (OP)
I got to the part where you can edit your character, and so far I'm enjoying it.
I'm waiting though until they come out with a Motion Blur toggle and FOV slider, I know that I can get nexus mod tweaks but I don't want to bother when they'll add these features by the end of week or next week.
atmosphere is wicked, seems it'll be a comfy action game set in snowy Seattle

>>723965565
Shut the fuck up shill

>>723965506
Bloodlines 2 has already sold somewhere between 500k and 1 million copies across PC and consoles. It is the best selling VTM title by a pretty huge margin. If they can move quickly to patch it, announce a roadmap of improvements, it will eventually sell the 15+ million they wanted.

>>723965443
That's actually one of Gehenna endgame scenarios, when your vampire PC has an option to tell God you regret the suffering your curse brought upon the world... and you get turned into a human, no strings attached.

>>723965508
Nosferatu, not Toreador. Toreador is just a step or two away from Tzimisce.

>>723965565
>The entire point of VTMB2 is to be the antithesis of what inspired it.

>>723965696
Shut the fuck up shill

>>723964142
that's just how modern Seattle is, I'd say it's quite true to reality

>>723965296
I'm not taking the bait

>>723965730
Pretty fucking accurate. They can put that quote right on the box, and I guarantee you that these walking sim niggers would be proud of it

>>723960304
Which one? You lying piece of shit. Also you can absolutely luck into choosing the correct options. The shit part is that there is no reason to deviate, nor is there any punishment for fucking up. Why give you options if nothing happens when you chose the wrong ones?

>>723965565
This is not just me saying that. It's explicitly cited as the core narrative concept in the dev diary on Phyre.
>Ultimately, a good story is driven by characters being true to their psychology and either following that thread down towards tragedy, making the same mistakes over and over, or seizing upon the chance to challenge and change themselves.
>That’s what makes a happy ending triumphant: a character’s ability to sacrifice what they have desired and strained towards for so long, to defy the never-ending hunger of old, painful wounds for a chance at long-lasting healing. It’s what makes a tragic ending tug at our hearts: we see clearly what the character needs, and we see them turn away from it one too many times, too consumed by their pain to do the hard thing, give up their coping mechanisms and save themselves.
The relationship between Safia and Fabien is this idea crystallized. Safia refused to be better. Fabien fought so hard to be the best version of himself. One dies in madness and death. The other walks into true immortality, embracing an afterlife with open arms.

>>723949473 (OP)
whatever you say fag, shit game though

>>723965296
>>723965229
>that's not in the game!
>o-okay you posted a screenshot of it in the game but who cares?
>you're dumb!

I'm starting to understand why your own leaders genocide you after every revolution.

>>723965863
Shut the fuck up shill

>>723965361
I think you're over-generalizing a bit. The average idea of a Toreador is an artsy prick lost in their own melodrama, but if one embraces a moron that only likes video games they're still going to be a moron that only likes video games. Except now they might think Witcher 3 isn't just fun, but is 'omg so peak I stared at a single bush for three hours straight'. You don't get any more cultured or nuanced in personality just because of an embrace. While it's true that the clan curse will nudge you a certain way, it's not a personality over-write. If Safia prior to being turned was a sappy person that could get stupidly infatuated, then it's not beyond reason that she'll do it again even within a tremere life-style. Blame her sire. .

>"writing is bad!"
>writing is worse but not bad
>people just complain a gay vampire is saying the lines
>if a slut said the same lines it would be HYPE
The game is genuinely shit but some of the big criticisms are normie, weak filter shit that will make any discourse about the game feel disingenuous for years. The game is forever tainted.

>>723965565
>we must be better kindred

>>723966017
>writing is worse
So why would I play this instead of replaying 1

>>723965863
Pretty kino.

>>723965565
They should have made Prometheus then. Because Vampire is about being cursed and set upon a path that is mostly out of your control, despite how much power you gain.

Okay so since the shill spoiled it now, the inciting incident in this game is grief over losing their sire?
IN A FUCKING VTM GAME????
kekeroni not even gonna pirate this

>>723965565
>What is a vampire?

>>723966017
>normie

>>723966052
No one said you have to. You have free will. Use it.

>>723966052
I don't know, I'm not defending or selling the game. If writing is your only measure then you'd play it because it's new and interests still. If it doesn't interest you then don't play it.

>>723966028
It's more "What can change the nature of a kindred?"

>>723966160
That's a pretty normal vampire trope, though. Anne Rice used it a few times and VTM has always loved those books. Are you just looking for stuff to get mad about?

>>723965942
>There's a couple of trannies in the game but that's it
>posts picture of the tranny and the single instance of the flag
>noooooo you don't understand this means the whole game is about my made up culture way boogyman
please leave jeet retard

>>723966160
I am actually interested in what the original plot twist was because OG Fabien was a thinblood. He was logically not related to Gideon in any way. So what was the plot of this game in 2024? The whole Gideon/Safia/Fabien trifecta is a rewrite.

>>723965791
>>723965942
imagine being this high on american politics and missing a games point lmao

>>723965863
>Safia refused to be better.
But... We MUST be better.

>>723949473 (OP)
Game looks like shit, and woke to boot. Op is a dumb shilling giganigger golem

>>723966439
That reminds me that the new God of War games were written by the people who wrote the original Deus Ex. Makes sense. Similar underlying political vibes.

>>723966304
Shut the fuck up shill

>>723966473
How is Bloodlines 2 meaningfully woke? I seem to recall people calling Swansong woke, too, and there was basically nothing woke in it.

>>723966304
I dont bother discussing vampires with most people anymore for this exact reason. People turn into fags and want to fuck traps after being on /v/ for 2 months but a vampire can't be bisexual after being alive for 300 years? The amount of people still so butthurt over Twilight that they tell everyone vampires should all be nosferatu and hulking 8 foot fucks is stupid. Then it turns out most people's knowledge of vampires is meme shit and the one or two movies they watched as a kid.

>>723966565
Go ahead and write a list of the most powerful vampires in Seattle as presented by this game

>>723966614
>randomly starts seething that people don't like gay sex, even though no one mentioned it
huh

>>723966357
Cool 80s throwback. Now post the 2020 one where Pondsmith cries for BLM.

>>723966565
Woke is when females are in the game and don't suck my peepee.
that's it p much

>>723965361
That's not fully true, is it? The personal horror side of Vampire the Masquerade is all about the gradual transformation from human into monster, about how the vampire goes from being a normal person with morals and beliefs to being an unfeeling beast who will do anything to keep on existing for evermore, even if their existence has lost all joy and meaning. Humanity is measured for a reason, vampires don't flip a switch and become sociopaths as soon they're embraced and the descent into becoming a soulless monster can be a traumatic and tragic one.

Even within the context of V5, TCR could have made a game all about a human who becomes a vampire and has to leave behind their mortal life and watch everyone that they love wither away and has to learn how to throw away things that once meant everything to them. They would be playing to their strengths and to the strengths of the setting, but instead we got VTMB2.

>>723966706
>randomly
>discussing vampires and how people discuss what media does to them
Proving my point.

>>723966706
the only people that think about hot gay men more than giga faggots are bad faith rightoids on /v/. they're even more obsessed than /fit/ it's actually kind of cute

>>723966819
>brings up le bisexuality unprompted and doesn't realize what he just did
mhm

Do they ever explain how come you have the ability to summon invisible helicopters, barking dogs, and ambulances?

>>723966927
It's the Camarilla summoning them when you're breaking the masquerade

>>723966721
that IS from the 2020 handbook you moron

>>723965565
Bloodlines are bloodlines because they imprint the personality of antedeluvian or some other sire, as the case with minor bloodlines, into their children, the lower generation is the more monstrous the vampires are

>>723966614
Yeah the idea of a vampire on /v/ is pretty bizarre at this point. Varney had romantic sub-plots and heavy themes of infatuation and spite. Carmilla was nothing but homo-eroticism between the titular Karnstein and Laura. Dracula explored the perversion of affection and lust in the women he turned and he himself as he sought out connection despite having long since given himself to darkness. A heart that no longer beats longing for nothing more than the warmth it lost when it was first turned cold is the epitome of the literature experience when it comes to these creatures. Not saying it has to be NOTHING but that, you can have politics and subterfuge and power-plays. But it should always at least have some piece of it. Even John Milton's Paradise Lost attributed some feelings of romance and desire to Lucifer himself, and he's literal Satan.

are there loli vampires

>>723966885
>focuses on the gay part
>not the nosferatu shit or twilight shit
Brainwashed tourist. Go cry about BG3 being woke or call someone a jeet or something. Being a parrot of /v/ memes and "gotchas" adds nothing.

>>723966721
and by the way that's from 1994
which shows you know nothing what you are blabbering about with your pol rotten brain

>>723967186
I didn't focus on anything, we were discussing about vampires feeling grief and you seethed that /v/ doesn't let you discuss bisexual vampires. You brought that up, completely unprompted
You cannot deflect this obsession onto me

>>723965565
I really fucking hate this in modern RPGs, it's everywhere too. There's nothing wrong with a handful outliers but when you push the same message of "you can be anything you want :)" to every fantasy race and faction then it just becomes generic slop with no identity.

On the surface, Bloodlines 2 seems like the kind of game that was made directly for me. It's influenced by many games and series that I love. It was heavily advertised for its VTMB influence.

>>723967424
>fantasy AA game with silly action combat
It would have been extremely my shit if it was made by Cyanide or Spiders

>the marketer is still here
When does his contract run out? Or is it just someone funposting as him nowadays

>>723965565
Can't believe all Malks had to do to stop being insane is just decide to be better, everyone in the first game was so stupid...And Nosferatu just needed some moisturising i guess.

>>723951135
You have 1 clan passive for your original clan, and 1 passsive you gain once you unlock all the abilities for a certain clan. You can only have 1 of the former but you can have multiple of the latter

>>723967201
>>723967068
https://rtalsoriangames.com/2020/06/12/mike-pondsmith-cops-and-racists/
Ahhhhh jeez... The man himself...

>>723967546
Makes sense now why they don't let you play those clans in the game, lmao.

>>723967290
>focus on one part of a post for multiple replies
>ignore the rest of the post and the point of
>now strawmanning that I'm deflecting anything onto you
Jesus christ you've got some issues.

>>723967509
He does it for free now lol

>>723967650
damn thought pondsmith was based...

>>723963370
That's a pretty small for attempting a triple AAA game, which is what Bloodlines 1/2 is in theory.

>>723958125
The absolute best possible interpretation of successfully diablerizing Caine somehow for a player would result in Caine taking over that persons body.

>>723967695
>focus on one part
Nope, you brought up how mad your are about no one liking your faggotry. It was literally the very first thing you said
No more (you)s because you're just getting angrier

>>723967546
It's funny how leftists are so drawn to race/stereotype-based fantasy but then remember they're supposed to be against that stuff so they begrudgingly erase it.

>>723966565
I know that your just asking in bad faith to pull my post apart you gigaqueer but here it is:

men are portrayed either as feminie allies or lobotomized monkeys. No inbetween, no "toxic masculinity" no nuance.
Females on the other hand are unfallible, caring and intelligent (at least the devs tried to paint them that way).

No clear sexual pronouns or being adressed as such.

No body realism, hideous people cant be called hideous because that would be bigotry and there´s 0 place for that in a bideogame.

Everything around your MC is designed without any clear disctinction between male and female style. Everything is asexually desinged and presented.
The haircuts & makeups are mostly designed with the female MC in mind but look straight up trash.

Vampires jump from practically thinking like a human to thinking like a modern lefty, scared shitless to confrontation.

You´re also being hit on the head on every ocassion with the modern liberal way of life.
Dont be rude, dont make fun of other, dont tell others what to do just be a good goy and do what others tell you to do. Don´t question authority, don´t question the story.

>inb4 but but there are pracitcally 0 niggers
ah yes the kweens, forgot about them.
written like every other black character, cant make fun of them, cant ignore their rants, have to the kweens serious you god damn biggot!

It´s wokeness isn´t into your face, it´s thinly veiled which might appear to normies as it "wouldn´t be so woke how the gamers make it to be" but it truly is.

>>723967913
>a triple AAA game
GOOD MORNING

>>723968083
Rent free, holy shit

>>723968081
The dialog is all written in the prose of a redditor isn't it

>>723968270
tbf that's also how VTMB was

>>723968175
See this is why he's an idiot for replying to a commie. He wasted all that time lol. On the plus side you'll kill yourself soon lol

>>723967943
>no one liking faggotry
>never asked anyone to like it, only to expect it from vampires
See, saying shit like this and having a tantrum this big for this long means I have to deflect this shit onto you now. There's some fucking queer about the way you're acting and something bimboy about you missing the point. Maybe if the discussion went further than you seeing red the moment a vampire being a deviant was mentioned you'd have a chance to see that better.

>>723968373
We don't talk about games people should've played. You're ruining the fun.

Why is my gpu barely using 3% of it's power when im running this game?

>>723968175
bravo, you really convinced me that this game is not woke with your counterarguments.

also; the bruhja contact in this game is faggot biker who is longing after the dick of his lover.
totally not woke.

>>723968575
TRVE Brujah are semitic and therefore rabid homophobes, never 5get carthage 476 ad best year of my life

>>723964536
You're just saying all corrupt systems are capitalist. Listen to yourself

>>723968083
Dude, you clearly didn't play this game.
>Females on the other hand are unfallible, caring and intelligent (at least the devs tried to paint them that way).
Lou Graham is the first woman you meet, and she's a murderous narcissist.
I could go on, but even with just that it's obvious you're just afflicted with retarded political hysteria. It's like talking to a leftist about their own retarded political fanfictions; you just can't see reason. You're trapped in the matrix, making up problems to whine about.

>>723968779
I've known several communists IRL and a "people's war against a corrupt system" implies a violent worker's revolution. They say that shit constantly. Johnny sounds exactly fucking like them in that quote.

>>723968409
>There's some fucking queer about the way you're acting and something bimboy
lol

I like the downfall of /v/ is just uselessy asking rightoids about playing games while jeets and chinks shill and flood the board. It turns out the ones claiming to defend games hated them more than anyone else.

>>723968815
nta but the game really does have way too fucking many female NPCs compared to males, and all the men are pussies or cardboard cutouts of stereotypes.

>>723969016
>rightoids
lmao

>>723968575
The Brujah are progressive? In my VTM? Damsel is aghast with shock!

>>723969016
I like that it's just faggots bringing up their faggotry unprompted and seething that everyone should accept them

>>723964072
>I guarantee that Mike Pondsmith is more racist than the average poltard btw, being a high IQ black, he dislikes his own people, and with good reason
See
>>723967650

HAHAHAHAHAHA I love watching chuds die inside as they realize their heroes hate them.

>>723966028
>we must be better kindred
CORRECT #PHYRE
WE MAY BE IMMORTAL UNDEAD PREDATORS THAT ARE INCAPABLE OF TRUSTING ONE ANOTHER AT A BIOLOGICAL LEVEL

BUT
WE MUST
>BE
>BETTER

>>723969016
>"rightoids" dont play the game
>game flops

>>723968815
No, in the first meeting with Lou, Fabien tells you how powerfull and mighty she is, how she´s the underground REAL queen/prince of seattle and you need to respect her.
>Lou Graham is the first woman you meet, and she's a murderous narcissist.

Shill, please, the fact that she is a murderous narcissist isn´t presented in your first meeting. She is in the first meeting portrayed as strong, wise and just.
After the 2nd visit you start to see the cracks as she listen to the song of gehenna but still, they way they portrayed her is woke and retarded.

We on the other hand, as a legendary old history figure are treated like the average shmuck. Because strong leader women don´t take shit from some gypsy nomads.

>>723969065
I'm pretty leftist and I think this game looks like a piece of shit.

Ok so before the thread dies, is this game even worth a pirate?

>>723949674
OVR SAVIOR

So why is we Elder? What does this even mean? Doesn't seem like our MC is even that old compared to everyone else?

>>723960639
Traitor tremere have a literal fucking scarlet mark on their forehead others from the clan can see and they are kill on sight. That's why they are rare. It's absolutely retarded nobody noticed.

>>723969278
>still fucking seething
So this is the dick you want to die on?

>>723969016
>still fucking seething
Holy fuck

>>723969553
If you have absolutely nothing else to play. It gets boring real quick and if you know a bit of WoD it might either turn you off real quick or make you wonder if the devs know what WoD is.

>>723969615
>So why is we Elder
bcuz da Malkavianz took our powers n shit gnomesayn'?

>>723969615
So he can be called THE NOMAD and sound mysterious I guess? Also so the diablerie thing works
Struggling to come up with anything in the story that wouldn't fit the fledgling from VTMB1

>>723969615
Older vampires typically are more powerful vampires, as are vampires of a lower generation who are closer to Caine than vampires of a higher generation. In the case of Phyre, they're four or five hundred years old, I think.

TCR and/or Paradox wanted this game to be all about playing a powerful vampire fucking shit up and there's no justification for that if you're playing a young vampire of a high generation. So they came up with an excuse for why the player-character is an elder vampire without any memories, who needs to be guided through the game like a toddler.

>>723958580
Probably not, but all the major vampire curses minus the clan weaknesses he himself cursed on the clans of the ante's apply to him, no reason to believe he isn't at least harmed by the sun even if God won't allow him to die, I imagine no matter how strong he is, he isn't immune to the afflictions given to him by the archangels. Also, funny enough, he may be afflicted with the same curses but he isn't undead like his childe are.

>>723969553
>is this game even worth a pirate?
If you're a Bloodlines1 fan who needs to rip the bandaid off and get closure, barely. If not, stay far away

This is probably the worst vaporware I've seen finally manifest in my life. At least Duke Fuckem Forever had fun multiplayer

>>723960151
Yes, you basically get game over and it reloads at the start of the conversation.

>>723969448
Lou Graham is literally a fucking mentally ill, murderous recluse.
What the fuck are you TALKING about with this strong, wise, just nonsense?
Matter of fact, every woman in the damn game has some major issue. Katsumi is ugly, naive, obstructionist, Ryong is a corporate ice bitch, Safia is annoying and has spoiler bullshit going on, even the murdered ghouls Fabien interacts with are all retarded. All the woman have defects, you're just seething because you prepped in advance to be butthurt and now you're looking for reasons to be upset, even if they're thin and stupid.
There's reasons to be pissed off, just not this.

>>723969348
The past releases of a franchise ARE HER OWN BUSINESS

>>723970469
Damn why did this vampire society put all these stronk womyn in charge if they're so bad at it?