Thread 723953090

You old farts still play antiquated exclusive games?

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/exclusive-games-are-antiquated-xbox-president-says-because-everyones-just-going-to-go-play-call-of-duty-minecraft-roblox-and-fortnite-anyway-thats-actually-whats-really-driving-community-in-gaming/

>>723953090 (OP)
But all those games are old

have these companies tried making good exclusive games instead of ESGslop and industry plant "franchises"

The problem with Sony and Microsoft is that they have mismanaged their projects by inflating the hell out of the budgets, which also prevented them from doing any experimentation. Both of them have also kept buying whole studios without anything meaningful coming out of these buyouts, most of these studios ended up being disbanded. There is also this retarded mentality within the industry to fire your veterans (or make them leave) while they didn't have the chance to teach newer generations of devs.

Funny how Nintendo avoids all these problems though and still keep making exclusives.
To be fair, I've always considered to be some kind of underdog (wasn't fan of Halo anyway) but the real tragedy remains the evolution of Sony Interactive during the 2010s

>>723953090 (OP)
Sony and Microsoft just say this shit because they lost, already bought several games on Switch 2, including third party games to have them portable.

>>723953090 (OP)
He wouldn't be saying that shit had they not fucked up literally all of their flagship IPs

>>723953090 (OP)
Glad Xbox is dying.

>>723955291
Microdicks don’t want to try and make new games. They just want to keep others from making them.

Didn't Microsoft try to make Minecraft and Call of Duty Xbox exclusive and fail?
It's been stated by sources that they bought Activision thinking they would get sole rights to Call of Duty, that they bought Bethesda thinking they could make 'Skyrim 2' exclusive, and (way back) that they thought buying Rare gave them the rights to make Donkey Kong games on Xbox.

Nintendo buckbroke Snoy and Xcuck so hard its not even funny

>console as a platform
>game as a platform
>custom game within a game as a platform

Those aren’t real gamers, those are fags who spend every weekend playing call of duty because they don’t know any better
Only MY tastes in gaming matter

>>723955253
>Switch 2
>third party
Kek what a retard.

>>723955771
It's the best. Pirate everything on PC.

I feel like a cuck for getting a PS5 at least before I could laugh about Bloodborne and Gravity Rush but now every few months Sony will slap their loyal fan base in the face with a PC announcement with more features they hate us so much.

Well I'm sure I won't be dumb enough to get a PS6.

>>723955994
Well at least you'll get GTA 6 day 1 if you care about that

>>723953090 (OP)
>exclusive games are antiquated
>says president who can't sell exclusive games.

>>723955916
How is it the best? The games run and look worse than on PC, and you have no guarantee they'll continue working in a decade on nintendos next console. On PC, if you boght Half-Life in 1998, the same copy works in 2025 via Steam amd runs and looks better than back then, and there's no indication it won't work another 25 years from now. If it's the portability, PC is still better because of Steam Deck.

>>723953090 (OP)
How the mighty have fallen

>>723956445
Microsoft really doesnt realise how their exclusive made them the giant that could stand against Playstation

>>723955994
>"I feel like a cuckold because more people can play a video game"
Genuinely do not understand what level of stupid you need to be for this

Enjoy it on your PS5 and someone else can enjoy it later on PC. Literally who fucking gives a shit. It's a video game not your wife. You people are so fucking annoying.

>>723955253
Only retards buy consoles. Even the switch 2 also has nothing good exclusive to it, it still runs/looks terrible and they are gonna focus on switch for years to come. So you can play their games on PC at better quality before it even releases usually. Though they really aint worth it and they are on the net forever.

I am genuinely worried about the future of gaming (PC gaming mostly but I guess consoles will experience the same thing), when 99% of kids growing up right now only play on their phones

>>723956537
www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3ZGGIdpfEM

>>723953090 (OP)
nah I play old rpgs

>>723956576
Weird manchild tantrum

>>723955771
>>723956227
>>723956576
>insecure PC mustardfags upset that people are enjoying videogames elsewhere

>>723956687
Weird projection to the truth. You a retard for buying a console and you prolly realized it urself.

>>723953090 (OP)
Not in the last decade or so, no.

>>723956537
>xbox
>the giant that could stand against Playstation
Kek. Their best gen was the 360 and even then they couldn't beat the ps3 depite sony going full retard with it.

>>723956789
You're still having an autistic meltdown over literally nothing though.

>>723956714
>insecure
Nope. Just trying to help. Not sure why I bother though since consoletards are clearly too retarded to see the light of PC.

>>723956537
Everyone fucking hated 360 era xbox swooping in and buying out exclusivity. Glad we are mostly way past walled garden hedge measuring contests and i can play pretty much anything on any platform i like.

>>723953090 (OP)
>Everyone's just going to play CoD, Roblox, Minecraft and Fortnite anyway
Not entirely wrong but it's still a cope at the end of the day lol.
This competition between Sony and Microsoft to see who can go the longest without admitting that as a video game company you have to make video games (buying companies to do it for you apparently didn't work in the end) has been a pretty fierce one these past several years.

>>723956892
>meltdown
alright retard

>>723956802
>Was selling more than the PS3 until like 2012, and even then it didnt matter because next gen was around the corner
>every multiplat ran and looked better on it, it was really funny seeing games like RDR were all of the foilage simply didnt exist on PS3
>had the best exclusives for a long time, PS3 got sloppy seconds like DR2 and ME2
>had the GOAT online experience with the best games to play, you cant deny this, Halo 3, Gears. Left 4 Dead, partychat, the 360 online was a event and completely outshined the PS3 with its shit online that went down a month
>again, HALO 3, no game on the PS3 had the cultural impact that game alone had
listen man, its been years but you dont have to pretend the PS3 was good anymore

>>723953090 (OP)
sour grapes. imagine buying two dozen studios and none of them can ship a game. so sad

>>723953090 (OP)
I really hope exclusives die in general

>>723956949
I have a gameing PC, Switch and an Xbox X, you are poor and a nigger.

>>723956994
Yeah Xbox could have done it, they could have caused some serious pain for Sony if they kept that up. Completely squandered the brand/console

>>723956892
Consoletards ruining my favorite hobby with their retarded purchase decisions is not "literally nothing" though, and it affects me.

>>723956949
I think you need genuine help for your mental well-being if you're this frustrated that others use a different system than yours to enjoy vidya. Which is also a sign that you're a friendless loser too.
Case in point, I enjoy games on Switch and recommend them to irl buddies who mostly play on PC.

>>723956967
>Nintendo strong arms third party devs and had legal clauses that made sure many games wernt ported to SEGA during the NES/SNES era
:)
>Playstation comes out of nowhere and locks down dozens of games including Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Ridge Racer, WipeOut and Tomb Raider on PSX
:)
>Microsoft uses their money to provide games for their console when competing against industry giants
NOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST HAVE EXCLUSIVES ANTI CONSUMER COMPANY

>>723956227
>On PC, if you boght Half-Life in 1998, the same copy works in 2025 via Steam
Why the fuck would I buy anything on Steam? I pirate stuff on PC.

>>723954657
>have these companies tried doing something literally impossible?
no

>>723953090 (OP)
Meanwhile, watch the Nintendo-exclusive Pokémon game sell millions yet again.

>>723957064
The only nigger here is you, burning money on useless hardware when a PC would be enough. I guarantee you I could afford them too, but I don't waste my money on depreciating assets like cucksoles.

>>723957132
Nintendofans are a different breed
You could literally sell them a empty cardboard box with a Nintendo logo for 60$ and they'd buy it

>>723957120
Those were gay too. Exclusivity is anti consumer bullshit, always was, always will be.

>>723953090 (OP)
He's right. Exclusives are a fucking meme.

>>723956994
>invented paying platform holders to use your internet
That alone is enough to forever shit on anything xbox.

>>723956994
>pretend the PS3 was good
That's not what I was doing. They both suck, as do all consoles. I'm just saying that xbox was never really able to stand up to playstation. There was one generation where it was arguably better, and now it's going extinct. I wish playstation and nintendo follow suit.
>Was selling more than the PS3 until like 2012
If this is about sales, then the wii completely BTFOd both and is the actual winner of that gen.
>every multiplat ran and looked better on it
Sure, and even better on PC.
>had the best exclusives
>had the GOAT online experience
Fair.

>>723957205
How many times are you going to say that like it's true?

>>723957123
That's fair too. Simply another reason why PC is superior.

>>723957060
They won't. That's a fantasy land. Look at what happened to tv and film with streaming services. You used to be able to just own a dvd player or have a cable/satellite subscription. Nothing was exclusive. Now look at it. There's like 15 different streaming services all with their own exclusive content. Exclusively is where the money is.
The ONLY reason Microsoft keeps pushing this idea is because they have plans to start an Xbox streaming service and they want everyone to put their games on it. Then they will enshitify it afterwards. Mark my words.

>>723957480
Until it stops being true

>>723957556
>people are still shitting on LABO
LABO was a cool idea and the only reason someone would shit on it is because they don't actually understand what the product is

>>723956994
ps3 looks really bad, but it looks bad compared to specifically ps2 and ps1 just based purely on game library. xbox has had a pretty shit library every generation, they've never had a gen as good as ps2 or ps1. 360>ps3 is definitely true but they were both pretty terrible, it's kind of a moot point because no-one was doing anything of value that gen

>>723957521
Yeah PC is great for piracy, not for PC handhelds which are overpriced junk.

>>723957545
No you fucking retard, all those 15 different streaming services are deep in the red and bleeding money because nobody wants to sub to all of them to have complete experience that was available with just netflix alone till fairly recently.

>>723957556
>barely 1m over 4 games
>most were sold to schools
So you're going to stop today then.

>>723957556
Isn't Labo an actual piece of software?

>>723957664
If it wasn't profitable they wouldn't be doing it. There's a reason Sony and Microsoft used to pay millions of dollars for exclusives back in the day.

>>723957681
>>723957556
Reminder that LABO was a game creation kit, and the cardboard shit that came with it was basically just demos to give kids ideas.
They specifically used cheap materials like cardboard for the pack-in games because the entire point of LABO was for kids to create their own toys and games, and showing them how to make a demo toy out of rubber bands and cardboard was meant to inspire them to make shit out of things they can find around the house.

LABO was never meant to be the next big franchise, its an educational tool that was meant to teach kids basic programming skills.

>>723957859
>If it wasn't profitable they wouldn't be doing it.
Thats not how modern businesses work
They operate at a loss and get propped up by investors so they can "disrupt" a market, and then the company collapses after destroying the market that was already there before and making everything worse.

Modern capitalism is pure enshittification.

>>723957651
Less overpriced than the switch 2. Why would you want to buy the same games again (or at all) to play on the go?

>>723953090 (OP)
>Translation: We torpedoed our own IPs we have so fucking hard and refuse to use the rest and prefer to sit on them for another decade, the XBOX name is basically worthless at this point.

>>723953090 (OP)
Faggot is learning the wrong lessons from games failing

>>723957859
>If it wasn't profitable they wouldn't be doing it. There's a reason Sony and Microsoft used to pay millions of dollars for exclusives back in the day.
Yeah because they tried to win but they lost the console wars. How delusional are you?

>>723957978
>less overpriced
Paying way more for worse performance and getting zero exclusives is retarded

>>723957859
Look up how well the streaming services do past everyone pulling their content from netflix. And then there is egs and its exclusives, worked so well didn't it? People didn't know better back then, now we do and everyone wants everything being readily available in one convenient place, not spread thin between 20 different platforms and marketplaces with adoption cost on top of it.

>>723958087
The EGS exclusives are still happening. There was a game just recently that looked interesting, I was confused why I hadn't heard of it, and when I looked it up it turned out to be a timed Epic exclusive
And yes the fact I forgot what even the game was proves your point, I'm simply saying devs still fall for it

>>723956983
Xbox released more games this year than I can possibly play and still got more coming. They are all of good quality too.

I just want a reason to use the PS5 I bought, I already played enough GT7 and now I'm waiting for the next game

>>723953090 (OP)
Consoles themselves are antiquated.
They served only as a vehicle for exclusives and convenience and had their time and place ages ago when the industry was figuring things out, but now they just exist to be anti-consumer and take advantage of tech illiteracy and people too stubborn or scared of change. PC crushes them and the sooner consoles just turn into devices like the Steam Deck where you have the console convenience with all the freedom and control and fuckhuge amount of games, the better off everyone in this hobby will be.

>>723957651
I cannot understate just how hard the deck has blown every other console I've ever owned out of the water and I've owned decades worth of consoles.

>>723958217
lol. Nintendo already does that way better

>>723958378
Why?

>>723958383
>locked down to hell and back
>barely any 3rd party support
Come back when i can play the whole MAME catalog on switch2.

>>723958557
Ya'll got nothing.

>>723958217
>you must adhere to my personal system, and mustard cult, or I'll throw a tantrum

>>723954519
old, but not antiquated. exclusives are bad for investors.

whatever Sarah Bond says is always targeted at shareholders and investors. never for the gamers. and
>we've listenes to the fans
means they have made some polls for the insiders and are being very creative on how to interpret the answers for their own goals

>>723958653
>you don't understand i need to worship corporations

>>723953090 (OP)
>Speaking to Mashable, Xbox president Sarah Bond pointed to the likes of Fortnite, Roblox, and Minecraft as evidence that the majority of gamers had moved on from exclusives. “We're really seeing people evolve way past that. The biggest games in the world are available everywhere,” she said

dumb DEI black bitch ruined xbox

>>723958743
You mean like all the retards who keep shilling the shit deck lol?

>>723958743
My point is that you're not exactly different from console warriors who feel insecure and need to parrot how great their system is over everything else, while ignoring that people can have different priorities and tastes in games. The "tech illiteracy" or "people too stubborn of change" is especially untrue since it's possible at some point to go from PC to console, like the reverse as well.

>>723958018
>way more
The deck is cheaper than switch 2.
>worse performance
For now. Deck 2 will BTFO shitch 2 for at most the same price.
>zero exclusives
Only thing approaching a good reason. For me, I prefer playing the games I have on the go over being forced to buy them again. I can simply emulate all the "exclusives" in a couple years.

>>723958018
You're right, that is retarded. Thank god that's not the case with the deck

>>723958439
Literally just the best of both worlds with the added benefit of portability. It obsoleted my consoles and I still prefer to use it even when I'm five feet away from my desktop because I can get into and out of a game in half a second.

>>723953090 (OP)
>fucks up all their IPs
>e-e-exclusives bad!!!!!1

>>723958914
Because it's shit and it doesn't have games

>>723953090 (OP)
Fucking retards, this is why they are in last.

>>723958018
>worse performance
There's only one game where the Deck performs worse due to forced raytracing. It is by far and away the better handheld. I remember when tendies used to pretend they cared about games and performance and visuals absolutely definitely in no way shape or form mattered for real. How quickly that changed the moment they had no games and felt like they could try and hold specs over people's heads.

Yeah the guy whos been running Xbox into the ground for a fucking decade can be trusted as an authority on videogames lmao.

>>723958217

Consoles are a bigger share of the gaming market than PCs. They're not going anywhere no matter how hard you piss yourself seething about them.

>>723953090 (OP)
>The board that continuously complains about things becoming mass appeal "slop" also wants there to be no niches or exclusivity to create a reason for different audiences or hardware bases

>>723956553
its because you spent money on this console with the expectation your purchase will be worth it only for them to do fuck all.

>>723959016
Yeah, the Switch 2 has no games, the Deck has all the games, we've established that, what's your point?

>>723958867
Except no exclusives benefit literally everyone but maybe corpos, i don't want games to be held hostage in walled gardens with hefty admittance fee just because platform holder has enough money to force it.

>>723959060
>There's only one game
lol. lmao. Really shows none of you own a PC, deck or Switch 2. You guys don't play games. Just wanna argue online like complete retards or console war like the stupid Sony fanboys.

>>723959060
>There's only one game where the Deck performs worse due to forced raytracing
And that game is shit that literally nobody cares about, not even the shitposters. Funny watching people try though.

>>723959016
When can i play MAME games on switch again?

>>723959065
>Consoles are a bigger share of the gaming market than PCs
Used to be true a decade ago, hasn't been the case for years. Steam alone crushes all three combined these days.

>>723957460
>Sure, and even better on PC.
dont go around pretending every gen 7 multiplat was on PC
>Midnight Club LA
>RDR
>The Darkness
>SKATE games
>Ninja Gaiden 2
all of these games the best place to play was the 360

>>723959127
>Except no exclusives benefit literally everyone but maybe corpos
Refer to the anon's post in >>723959067
It's pretty funny to me how the anti-exclusive fags (who are essentially PC mustardfags) are pretty much the equivalent of globohomos who want everything under a single banner, despite probably already complaining how bad the industry has become.

>>723959127
Those walled gardens can help devs who would otherwise get washed away by the sea of endless material find and cultivate an audience that they wouldn't have otherwise.

>>723953090 (OP)
I have been saying that ever since PS2, nobody listened to me back then everyone called me crazy. Well who's crazy now?

>>723959158
Says the Nintendo fanboy. Lack of self awareness is a hell of a drug.

>make shit exclusives
>nobody buys them
>see guys exclusives are obsolete
>meanwhile at nintendo

>>723959249
aka you can make a worse game and trick people who don't know any better
Not a great reason. If a game can't handle the competition, why does it deserve to succeed?

>>723959264
I only had PC before. Switch 1/2 just ended up being the best place for gaming. If you're upset about that you're just a console warrior

>>723959067
What different hardware bases? Nobody, not even fucking nintendo, does their own hardware r&d anymore, it is all from amd, nvidia and intell. If they actually did it would be half decent reason to have exclusivity, but every console since ps4 is just a fucking pc.

>>723959060
You buy a nintendo console for nintendo games. Not for the performance.
Pretty much everybody interested in a deck already has a gaming pc too, they just buy the deck for the handheld aspect.

>>723959127
No exclusives is never going to happen. You really think Nintendo is ever going to put their games on Steam? You really think Valve and Microsoft are just going to have the effective monopolies they have right now on Steam and Windows forever? That's a pipe dream.

>>723956227
Xbox kinda does that. You can play that copy of Ninja Gaiden Black you bought in 2005 on a Series X in 4k with a high framerate. It's a shame they half assed their backwards compatibility program and didn't include more games because it's a very nice feature sometimes. Some games like the Final Fantasy 13 trilogy play and look better on a modern Xbox than anywhere else.

>>723957064
>"gameing"
Stick to eating crayons buddy I'm sure you'll find them just as amusing as your consoles.

>>723955514
This is so retarded I can believe it. What a lolcow of a company.

>>723958743
So valve, amd, nvidia, Microsoft, Asus and the rest aren't corporations now?

So, what will the next Xbox be? A PC with a Xbox sticker?

>>723959353
>You buy a nintendo console for nintendo games. Not for the performance
This isn't true though. If I were to actually buy a game like RDR2 I wouldn't do it on PC because I can just pirate it. But if there's games I want on a portable I'd buy them on Switch 2 because that's what I already own and it can play them better than PC handhelds. The real loser here are the traditional consoles though, those ecosystems in my opinion are what's really antiquated

>>723959328
So you want to box amateur and low-funded devs out of the ecosystem just to let the same people who keep throwing money at the problems lead the industry? Because that's what you'd get. We already see this on Steam with a ton of quality small games slumming it out waiting for their day while everyone buys the big names on brand recognition alone.

>>723959632
>and it can play them better than PC handhelds
LMAO!!!

>>723959709
Truth makes you mad

>>723959346
He meant how a game exclusive was developed for a specific platform, by taking account of its hardware features (like how Ciel no Surge on Vita had the main heroine doing things according to the real-time clock even if the console has been left to sleep) and even going around its limitations in creative ways, instead of just aiming for every platform.

>>723953090 (OP)
Don't care. Consoles themselves are jewish as fuck at this point and I have no clue why people still want them around aside from braindead brand loyalty or total tech illiteracy and fear that they're too dumb for PC.

>>723959363
Nintendo might eventually, but probably not in immediate future. Steam will last as long as valve keep to being private run and if it fold in the same way streaming did it will be worse for everyone. Windows is there to stay, short of complete global blackout or vulnerability nothing will ever topple it because of how ingrained it is.

>>723959676
>So you want to box amateur and low-funded devs out of the ecosystem
Those amateur and low-funded devs are finding all their success on PC. That's where they all are. Meanwhile they can't even afford or get their hands on devkits for consoles.

>>723959067
Why do different niches need to be separated ny hardware? What if I like both shooters and strategy games? Do I then buy the shooter game box and the strategy game box even though there's no architectural difference between them forcing one type of game to be locked to one type of box? Why not just make all games available on all hardware (where it's possible, I get that VR games won't work flatscreen for example) and let the best hardware win? That way people will get the best versions of those games because the hardware will be better due to competition, and people who like multiple niches don't need to buy unnecessary hardware.

>>723959908
>Those amateur and low-funded devs are finding all their success on PC
huh uh sure and I'm king of France

>>723955514
They never tried to make Minecraft exclusive.

I couldn't care less about CoD, it would be hilarious if they actually tried to make it exclusive

>>723959363
>You really think Nintendo is ever going to put their games on Steam?
If they have to, yes. They have one hardware line left and they're not just going to roll over, taking all their brands and IP with them if it flounders. They'll try to make their own launcher on PC first, and if that also eats shit, they'll crawl to Steam.
They are not a hardware company, they are 100% about their brands and IPs and they will do whatever it takes to save their brand and IPs.

>>723959249
>Limiting your audience helps you to gain an audience, chud.

>>723959342
Like I said, a fanboy's self awareness is a hell of a drug.

>>723959970
>Why do different niches need to be separated by hardware?
Some games work better on different platforms, community focused games with local multi are the exemplar. Having them on handhelds just enhances the experience since you can take it anywhere and meet up with friends or randos. Monster Hunter's probably the best example of this since the 3DS generation did gangbusters because of that.

>>723955253
>including third party games to play them on the toilet
ftfy

>>723959990
Yes. Vast majority of them sell by far the best on PC. That's an objective fact. And there's a reason so many of them never even end up on consoles to begin with, even though they'd happily take as broad an audience and as much exposure as possible. Consoles gate far harder than PC does over things that have nothing to do with quality.

>>723953090 (OP)
People didn't "evolve" past AAA, they're just not playing them because they're shit now

>>723959363
As nintendo keeps chasing graphics, they'll run into the same issue ms and sony did where games are simply too expensive to limit your buyers to the userbase of one console. They'll start off slow, slower than sony even, because they're too prideful, but eventually their greed will win out and their games will be on PC day 1.

>>723960093
We both know why you keep replying

>>723959353
>You buy a nintendo console for nintendo games
The deck is unironically better for that too. Wake me up when nu-tendo is capable of making a game even half as good as their stuff from 30 years ago and aren't backhanding their consumers at every opportunity.

>>723960206
At this point phones are ahead of Switch graphically. They can just release their games on phones and turn Switch into a phone-to-tv converter machine

>>723955514
No, but they could've tried and it could've succeeded and people would've been forced to shell out $700 for worthless redundant hardware just to get those games, but apparently that's what half the people in these threads would've wanted.

>>723960206
>As nintendo keeps chasing graphics, they'll run into the same issue ms and sony did
Unlike Sony and Microsoft who didn't expand, Nintendo did.

>>723960268
>deck is unironically better for that too
Y'know you lying about this shit doesn't convince anyone, right? Everyone knows you're just a shill working for free.

>>723960174
>no one bought or cared our game on PC
>so there's no point putting money into a console port

That's almost always how it goes unless you're making porn games that'd never fly with other companies' content standards.

>>723960206
I'm pretty sure most Nintendo game budgets are already way lower than the rest of the AAA games these days. They were the only company not retarded enough to go down the graphics chasing route already. Why do they even need to chase graphics when its much smarter to just sit a generation or 2 behind the retards at Sony and Microsoft and watch them blow their money?

>>723959390
>kinda
So PC is still better. And you can't seriously tell me you trust FUCKING MICROSOFT to keep backwards compatibility in future consoles. First of all, there won't be future consoles because xbox is dying, but even if there were, you can bet your bottom that the moment they feel greedy enough, they won't let you play your old copies and will instead force you to buy the remaster or port. Same applies to sony and nintendo. Not to Valve, because they know if they tried that, about 30% of their userbase would permanently turn to piracy.

>>723960242
I don't think you do.

>>723960206
>>723960268
>>723960298

People still buckbroken by the success of the Switch. Looking forward to another 8 years of great Nintendo games.

>>723960376
I'm sorry your fanboyism blinds you from reality, but it's a simple fact.

>>723960130
>Having them on handhelds just enhances the experience
Maybe, but might as well put it on home consoles and PC too, even if it's technically worse in that way. Plus, PC handhelds exist. And none of this is a reason to have exclusives on platforms where the only difference is the logo like modern conslles and PC.

>>723960268
Normies don't pirate videogames. They definitely won't buy a deck to pirate videogames.
Also what if you want to play a Nintendo game in online multiplayer?
The vast majority of "gamers" don't give a single fuck if the deck can run mario kart better than a switch2.

>>723960376
>expand
Expanding is exactly the issue. That means more budget, which means you need to sell more copies to break even.

>>723960607
>Nintendo winning means they are actually in trouble

exclusives is the reason the PS killed the dreamcast and then the xbox.

>>723960580
They do, it's why Nintendo freaked out over emulators on smartphones.
But even they didn't, why should I give a single shit what normalfags care about? Doesn't prevent me from doing it.
>Also what if you want to play a Nintendo game in online multiplayer?
Considering I've done it before, you'd have to convince me Nintendo's online wasn't still absolute ass and that something like Pretendo or any of the other ways to play online doesn't exist.

>>723960430
So far, sure, but they're clearly chasing graphics too, else they wouldn't have released switch 2. The only difference is that they're currently 1-2 gens behind ms and sony. I expect they'll start feeling the longer dev times and higher budgets this gen, just like what happened to ms and sony during the 8th gen, and start experimenting with exclusives during the next gen. Maybe slightly later depending on if they're more stubborn than greedy.

>>723960206
They're not even chasing graphics, their games still look like Wii U titles. They're chasing lawsuits. Games come second to suing the pants off everyone.

>>723960701
Man you are out of touch.

>>723960701
If the only opinion you care about is yours, then why are you even here (you)ing me?
Also normies pirate gameboy and snes games, not new releases. Thats because its extremely easy to do on a phone.

>>723960760
TOTK took like 6 years already if not more. Not releasing mainline zelda with switch2 is all you need to know about nintendo dev cycles bloating.

>>723960807
Nintendo charges you for p2 fucking p and has some of the dumbest design decisions surrounding it that even the wii u implementations mogged. I wouldn't pay for that shit out of principle.

>>723960760
Nintendo also doesn't (outside of maybe major Zelda/Mario games) make massive bloated games that take 100+ hours to beat. They make far more efficient games in that regard which also keeps budgets lower.

>>723960879
Very good point. Totk has nowhere near the amount of content to justify 6 years. Botw took that long and created the entire map of hyrule in that time. Totk added some sky islands and the depths which are just the world map but height-inverted.

Just get a PC at this point. Consoles are a SCAM.

>>723960879
Covid lockdowns also contributed to that long dev cycle.

>>723960829
Because people on /v/ should know better and it's sad seeing how dumb this board can be, but then again, rules 1 and 2 were broken ages ago.

>>723960948
Not yet, but there's a clear pattern that they're getting bloated.
>>723960879
>>723961003

>>723955693
>Those aren’t real gamers
Those are the Gamers™ they want as a target group to buy their slop

>>723961024
I was always arguing from the perspective of the market you narcissistic clown. So don't fucking barge in here and act like I'm retarded because I don't know how to pirate something.

>>723955068
Concord cost around 40 Pokemons, Nintendo is an example of what not to do in the other direction because they're catching flak for making cheap games instead.

The answer is AA, AAA and A are both overkill in opposite directions.

>>723961006
Why?

So I can finish setting it up so Microsoft can announce that my version of Windows is obsolete and force me over to Windows 12?

>>723961120
This is more specifically a Gamefreak problem

>>723953090 (OP)
They're right, as much as that wounds you. Objectively, no one gives a shit about 1st parties but the well beyond converted cultists (see: Nintendo not putting out any software of value since N64 but still earning gorillions on kusoge, the whole Sony fraud about being successful since PS3 that recently came crashing down, how everyone just stopped giving a shit about Halo the moment the cultists went away without any fight).

>>723953090 (OP)
What a worthless cope when you have people buying an overpriced hunk of junk like the Switch 2 just to play Mario Kart and Donkey Kong

>>723953090 (OP)
>people unironically arguing in favor of expensive hardware arbitrarily gating software to lock you down into abusive ecosystems
ishygddt
Consoles have no reason to exist anymore

>>723961126
>Microsoft

>>723956949
Anon, you don't engage with Nintendo posters on a Japanese website. As in 4chan is Japanese owned, and the Japanese governments has to protect it's global legacy assets, such as Pikachu, or Mario.
The Nintendo Defense Force is unironically their version of glowies, but it protects all of their most important IPs.
Yes, sometimes you'll get an actual autist, but 99.9% of it are direct shilling.

Specifically, any time you get replies to you when you're being critical of Nintendo that are low effort personal attacks towards your mental state, financial status, or being in general, please understand that you are on a global propaganda mill owned by Japan.

>>723961179
>Nintendo not putting out any software of value since N64
Imagine saying this and calling somebody else a cultist.

>>723960441
Haven't there already been cases like the Grand Theft Auto games where the original versions have been pulled from Steam and you can only purchase the remasters? Games get delisted and removed from Steam too it's no different than console marketplaces in that regard. With consoles you can at least track down a physical copy to still play in many instances

>>723961107
Why? You don't speak for the market. Ironic that you would call me the narcissistic one.

>>723961325
And I will do it again, cultist. You don't give a shit about games.

>>723961151
Let's not act like Drag x Drive wasn't low quality trash either and games like Princess Peach Showtime and Echoes of Wisdom were low budget as well. Nintendo really overcharges for lower quality games, basically games that would have arrived on a dedicated handheld like the 3DS are being sold for $60 instead. $70 now with ZA on Switch 2.

It's silly that a game with a $400 million budget is the same price as a game with a $13 million budget. Something like the LA remake or Super Mario RPG remake probably had a much lower budget than that despite launching for $60. Xenoblade and the Super Mario RPG remake being the same price was ridiculous.

>>723961348
Because that's what the discussion was about before you flopped your retarded dong into the room and demanded everybody suck it.

>>723961325
He's right though. It's been a long, slow, steady decline since then.

>>723961404
Yeah thats true to at least some extent. Gamefreak's crimes are far worse relatively speaking imo.

>>723961336
And you can do the same on pc.

>>723961409
News to me considering you've been arguing with me for a while and only recently did you try to speak for the market.
>wake me up when nintendo can
>buh duh market!
Nice try.

>>723961419
The entire Gamecube library has 0 value then? The entire Wii library? Nah dude. Even the fucking Wiiu had some games of value on it.
He made a retarded absolutist statement. He didn't say there's less good games each new generation. He said zero

>>723960879
There's also no 3D Mario and the fact they didn't announce it at the 40th anniversary means it's probably way off. DK Bananza apparently had the same team as Odyssey. A sign that their games are getting too big for a team to split and work on multiple games.

>>723961305
Man it's too early in the morning for this level of schizophrenia.

(Yes I'm secret agent: John Nintendo and have a Mario Party van parked outside anon's house)

>>723961537
Ok schizo. Last you from me.

>>723961467
Yeah, Gamefreak is worse because the quality is much lower and it's still full price. You're getting ripped off buying a lot of Nintendo games for full price but at least they're not a buggy mess. Nintendo's getting rich off cheaper up front hardware and then very overpriced games, Sony is making all their money via MTX and subscriptions instead.

>>723961542
>long, slow, steady decline
I'm not agreeing literally 100% with that anon, only with the sentiment that it's definitely gotten worse.

>>723961551
Nintendo will keep games a secret until they are 6 months out from release.

We know no clue what they are working on or have ready.

>>723961336
You can still play them if you bought them before. You just can't purchase them. And if ms or sony seriously wanted, they could block you from playing their old games on new hardware, because they have absolute power over it. Valve can't because Steam is just a random program installed on my PC.

>>723961721
More like 6 years considering that's how long we knew about TotK. Or god forbid games like Prime 4.

>>723961542
>The entire (Nintendo) Gamecube library has 0 value then?
Yes.
>The entire (Nintendo) Wii library?
Even more so.
>Even the fucking Wiiu had some (Nintendo) games of value on it.
I'd pay good money for the opportunity to shove my dusty tablet and the wrapped Nintendoland and NSMBU copies up your ass right now.

>>723961552
Japans global grasp with it's entertainment brands is the biggest driving force behind Japans GDP currently. It cannot keep up with manufacturing and China, however it's currently leading a cultural battle that drives countless tourism directly to them.

You can be critical of every game on this website, for such transparent reasons as "high price, low budget, bad overtly inclusive gameplay, ubisoft ripoffs" and the only time you get push back for stating these self evident facts, is when it's against Nintendo.

I don't blame them, when you control a tool like 4chan you use it

>>723961878
>t. definitely not some kind of cultist

>>723955392
Indeed. If they could pull that off instead, they would, every time. Microsoft does not do xbox division because they want to do video games. Microsoft only ever does the things it does, because of control.
Their MO for the last thirty years has been seizing control of as many gateways and standards of doing things as they can. Sometimes they get BTFO so hard it's humiliating(hd-dvd, UWP,) but they succeed more often than fail with so many little insideous things, that people usually don't see them coming until they suddenly control a new chokepoint.

>>723961815
TotK was hurt by covid shutdowns and Prime 4 was Nintendo dropping the ball by not giving the project to Retro Studios to begin with.

I guarantee that Prime 5 will be here sooner because they have the assets and engine already made.

>>723961404
It's silly that games with a $400,000,000 budget even exist.

>>723953090 (OP)
>should we as a video game company make more games
>NO! just play CoD and Fortnite!

>>723962075
I agree but GTA 6 has a budget of around $2 billion, so the $400 million games are unironically small time in comparison. If GTA 6 launches for $70, the industry is fucked for game devs. If GTA 6 launches for $100, the industry is fucked for consumers.

GTA 6 is most likely going to lead to an industry crash, it's the ultimate bloated budget game. There's been AAA devs talking about how they need to start making games that aren't AAA again recently because they can see the writing on the wall.

>>723959095
If $500 is a consequential amount of money to you in any way please kill yourself you worthless third world euro

>>723953090 (OP)
He doesn't understand that pajeets can ruin those titles just like Bethesda crippled their own studios with them and ruined Starfield.
They've already slowed down GTA 6 into production hell after leaking the source code. Fortnite is already hurting itself copying Roblox and their collabs ruined by incompetent pajeet modellers for their cosmetics.
Even Ubisoft tanked their own projects employing them and double stacked politics written in their games when before they could survive the bad writing with a clean art direction and programming, until Andromeda fucked them up too with spaghetti code and third worlders dragging their feet.

Nothing can survive the enshittification of a pajeet infected project. YouTube has embedded code using hindi descriptions and now their media player is slower and way more resource heavy.
Counting on a big brand to sell is no longer enough because the first world designers are pushed out and the name is rotten in shit.

>>723961404
> Drag x Drive wasn't low quality trash either and games like Princess Peach Showtime and Echoes of Wisdom
I would argue it doesn't stop at those. Major titles like TotK, NH, Splatoon3, etc. all embody that low effort high return philosophy.
The last 5 years in particular have really shown the direction Nintendo wants to go in and it's not a good one. They think people will simply buy whatever they put out as long as the brand is attached and are willing to act on that. Regardless of if they're right about that, it's not good for anyone.

Translation: Microsoft is going to stop making gaming hardware and software.

>>723962364
While I think thats a fair assessment, when I look at the competition I don't see them doing better.
They either do this exact thing on turbo and mass outsourcing, or they bloat their games to death and financially ruin themselves. Often with a slathering of amercian politics smooshed into it.

>>723962364
Maybe one day these companies will find the Goldilocks zone where they're not spending way too little or way too much when making a game. I think $100 million is more than enough but they're trying to make these massive 100 hour long games that appeal to everyone from a gameplay perspective while alienating half the world because of the content. Modern gaming is such a joke, indie and AA games bring me the most joy these days, the low budget Nintendo games and high budget AAA games are both everything wrong with the industry but ironically for the exact opposite reasons.

>>723959245
>arbitrarily locked software that forces the purchase of expensive redundant hardware that locks you down into a prison system, that they openly say you don't even own anymore, that's essentially physical DRM, where they freely fleece you in any which way they please
>you're globohomo if you don't like this
Nice try, Shekelstein.

>>723962486
>when I look at the competition I don't see them doing better.
That's because people still think the competition is Sony and Microsoft. It's not. Those two are irrelevant. The real competition is all the AA and independents who put out far better stuff than the former big three these days thanks to game dev being easier to get into than ever.

>>723953090 (OP)
>30% profit margin
It's so over

>>723962364
>TotK
>low effort
It took 6 fucking years and cost 100m+

>>723963389
Yeah, it's both over budget and deadline, tell us something we don't know.

>>723963189
yeah, silksong being $20 does more to damage $70 games than anything. same with expedition 33 being $50. pokemon being $100 with dlc while e33 is $50 is just a joke. then you have actual free games in the mix and consumers gotta figure out why some new game is worth $70 when they can play other stuff for free.

couple in third party games plummeting in price like 3 to 6 months after release and it's a fucked scenario for new games. why pay $70 for [new 3rd person cinematic action rpg] when [that last 3rd person cinematic action rpg that plays the exact same] is $20 or $30.

>>723962863
Agreed. AA and indies are the new 'old Nintendo'. They're the ones putting out the games with passion, whimsy, fun, and dare I say soul. People can still find the kinds of games from their childhood in the 90's and early 00's, just not from Microsoft, Nintendo, or Sony anymore.

>>723963389
It was a massive, shameless asset flip. The moment I realized even that signpost guy was copy paste I knew it was beyond fucked. At best, assuming it wasn't outright apathy or maliciousness, it's utterly incompetent. MM did far more in a fraction of the time.

>>723963389
Reusing the map is incredibly lazy, to be fair. Yakuza gets away with it because the dev time and budgets are low as fuck.

>>723963470
>silksong being $20 does more to damage $70 games than anything. same with expedition 33 being $50.
Oh not at all. AAA games sure, since those two games in particular offer way more than something like Tlou or GoW but in general you're getting more with 70 dollar games. Like I wouldn't pick Silksong or E33 over something like Time Stranger, Daemon X Machina 2 or even ZA because their games just have far more to do and far more variety.

>>723956227
>there's no indication it won't work another 25 years from now.
the way microsoft is going with windows 11 and the whole bloatware/ai shilling/cloud, i'm sure they'll find a way to fuck shit up within 5 years... screencap this if you dare

>>723955068
>studios without anything meaningful coming out of these buyouts
It's called less competition anon, so that clients are forced to buy their slop..

>>723953090 (OP)
>gamers are just going to play games
astute observation

>spend and waste billions to attract a normalfag audience
>they all just stick to whatever top 5 mega games are most popular
>and now the whole industry revolves around fighting for those top spots
Worst of all, those games are such monoliths in setting tone and style for all of gaming that everyone else has to bend what should be normal good games in that mainstream direction not to get utterly trashed.

>>723953090 (OP)
I don't play any of those games.

>>723957132
bro i watched my nephew playing it and I assumed it was a switch 1 pokemon game... no slander i'm being genuine here...

>>723964025
People forget that computers weren't always a standardized platform either and used to operate like consoles as well. If you owned something like an Amiga or Commodore there came a point where support ended for your computer and you could no longer get new software. There's no guarantee Windows based PCs or Steam compatible machines will even be a thing in 20 years something different could always come along

>>723963470
You're putting too much importance on price and not the actual game. For example
>why pay $70 for [new 3rd person cinematic action rpg] when [that last 3rd person cinematic action rpg that plays the exact same] is $20 or $30.
Why would you play a cinematic game anyway? Whether it's 70 or 30 they're both going to be shit because the focus isn't the game but the cinematics.

>2035
>cell phones are disappearing consumer computers are dissappearing
>only computers made for public are cheap apple/meta glasses running on cloud OS and valvemicrosoftsonynintendo gamebox that costs thousands of dollars to run either only roblox or GTA6 GAAS powered by AI
>absolutely nothing between

grim best be a legacy computer hoarder

>>723964025
>windows 11
Not my problem. Already on Linux.

>>723964319
Nobody does, they're played purely by thirdies and children.

>>723964424
You mean ZA? The game that is quite literally a Switch 1 game?

>>723963812
checking howlongtobeat and using main+extra as a base:
>e33 44 hours
>sIlksong 43 hours
>za 35 hours
>dxm2 42 1/2 hours
>time stranger 56 hours
you're really not getting more content with those other games other than time stranger. in fact, you're paying more for less for za and dxm2.

>>723964675
no, look at it this way. the new xbox handheld is stronger than the steam deck, right? but it's $1000 instead of the $320 the deck is at when it's on sale. even though the xbox handheld is stronger it's not worth 3 times the price, that's the problem. when a game is 3 times the price of silksong and it barely offers more content, that's when people are less wiling to pay that much more for it. at most they'll wait for a sale so that new game is only $30. assuming they're even still interested in it by the time that sale happens.

price matters a lot, especially in a market coming to be dominated by f2p and cheap indies.

>>723965169
Is that what it's called?
I thought it was a switch 2 exclusive game and I asked him "oh did you know that a new pokemon game got released?" and he looked me awkwardly saying "yes, that's what you're looking at"

Nintendo will be the last holdout

>>723964319
Then I guess you're not a gamer. Do you really think you know more about games than the CEO of one of the top 3 game console manufacturers?

>>723965330
Easy mistake to make. It doesn't exactly look like a switch 2 game.

bros... i can't play any game because I'm waiting for the new PS6pro Slim Digital snoygoy deluxe edition so I can buy GTA6 for $200 with +$50 season pass and +$100 on cosmetics and play it on 720p 35fps AI upscale

>>723965173
>howlongtobeat
I don't even have to entertain this post for two reasons:
1) hltb was never accurate
2) main + extra isn't a gauge for all the content, that's why there's a separate category for completionist which of course is the least accurate of all of them since they all tend to have anywhere between 2 and 10 people polling.
In the case of time stranger too for example you need to start am NG+ file to get everything.

There's no real verification on that site either.

>>723966012
>hltb was never accurate
It's been mostly accurate for me.
>main + extra isn't a gauge for all the content
Sure, but most people never play all the content. They usually beat the main story and maybe do some side stuff. So main + extra is probably the best estimation of value for the average person.

>>723966012
>excuse me, do you have a peer reviewed source for the estimated time of your playthrough?!

>>723965173
>the new xbox handheld
You're not talking about the system, you're talking about the game.
Why would I buy something like Silksong for 20 bucks, finish it in 4 hours playing it once and never again when I can drop 60/70 on a game with more to offer like monster hunter rise or Digimon time stranger where I can easily get 300-400 hours out of it?
It doesn't make any sense to buy the cheaper one just because it's cheaper when I can just buy the better one.

>>723966012
it's just a metric to show that it's silly to claim those games offer more to offset the price difference when that's clearly not true. i was actually being generous doing main+extra instead of completionist, with completionist you're looking at:
>e33 66 hours
>time stranger 65 hours
>silksong 59 hours
>dxm2 55 hours
>za 49 1/2 hours
which paints an even grimmer picture.

>women in charge
>women not saying stupid fucking shit every possible opportunity

Funny how everyone is surprised when bitches just be themselves lmao

>>723953090 (OP)
everyone but me and many others.

>>723966210
>It's been mostly accurate for me
Unlikely but I can't argue against your anecdotal evidence nor can you use your evidence as proof.
>but most people never play all the content
Not the point. We're talking about what's in the game, not what people do.
That's also why time isn't the best measure on top of that you may also have content that's tedious to clear rather than having a lot. For example if there was like a TAS 100% glitchless Silksong run I doubt it would last more than 7 hours or so but humans being humans and making mistakes can elongate time.

>>723966352
1) silksong isn't a 4 hour game, it's closer to 30 to 40.
2) i don't think you're getting 400 hours out of time stranger and most people aren't replaying games 3 or 4 times to get that number regardless. with rise, sure i can see dumping 300-400 hours into monhun.

>You're not talking about the system, you're talking about the game.
human mentality typically doesn't change just because you're talking about a different object. sites are flooded with cheaper chinese knockoffs that often sell more because they're cheaper and it makes the more expensive ones seem like a worse value in comparison. look at the gold usb cables companies used to try to sell, no one was paying that premium when they could pay $5 for a cheaper but worse cable instead. video games aren't immune to this, some people think expensive = better and will continue to buy those but those are the iphonefags buying for brand. android has more market share for a reason; it's cheaper.

>>723966923
I really hope this is bait for your sake, anon.

>>723966923
Anon, Pokemon ZA speedruns are already down to 7 hours in a glitchless run...

>>723953090 (OP)
>exclusives are antiquated
>meanwhile @ Nintendo's Shitch 2 is selling gangbusters because Pokemon is exclusive

Also the only reason Xbox even exists as a platfom is because of exclusives like Halo and Gears, the original Xbox was basically entirely carried by Halo CE and big dick energy Halo 3 propelled the 360 ahead of the PS3 despite the RRoD disaster. If there are no exclusive games to the system then there is no reason to buy said system, there is no reason for consoles to exist, everyone should buy a PC and get their games from the cheapest or most popular storefront.

>>723953090 (OP)
It is sad watching big entertainment companies move towards just releasing giant easy things to make consistent streams of money. They completely gave up on trying to appeal to anyone. It is so fucking insane how they are this retarded. They hire some retarded walled woman in her late 30s to 40s as their "youth" advisor. When shit like that obviously fails, they then just cross their arms as say "I guess kids today just have entertainment fatigue". I feel bad for the kids who are going to have to grow up in a world where there is no mainstream attempt to entertain them.

>>723961891
Soberingly good thoughts here. No emotion, just statements of facts and accepting what works.

>>723967520
>, it's closer to 30 to 40.
It's not, it's a Metroidvania at the end of the day. It's not designed to be particularly long but it is designed in a way that your first run is going to be somewhat aimless so you're not really getting a good idea of how long the game is because of all the mistakes and unnecessary backtracking.
>i don't think you're getting 400 hours out of time stranger
It's a monster tamer and there's DLC on the horizon. It's very easy to get that amount of time on a single rune let alone one that goes into NG+.
>most people
What? "Most people" doesn't matter. This isn't about individual experience. You made that same mistake with the other guy.
>human mentality typically doesn't change just because you're talking about a different object.
Yes, yes it does. Let's use your knock off example. No one is going to knowingly buy a Chinese bootleg for a game or other piece of media but if it's something that's going to be the same regardless like say a tool or accessory like drill bits or a glass file then yeah it's just a matter of buying the cheapest since it's the same product whether you buy the cheaper one or the expensive one.
What the item is actually matters to the consumer anon.
This doesn't have anything to do with what you said before though mind you since you went on a tangent about consoles when we were talking about games.

>>723967843
>any % pokemon runs vs 100% silksong
Please be bait...
100% Silksong speedruns are like 5-6 hours, any % runs are an hour.
If you're comparing any% pokemon runs to 100% runs and Pokemon is already longer then it's just killing your point.

>>723955392
This. They have no reason to create anymore. They've successfully purchased the entire western AAA market that wasn't eaten up by literal foreign competitors and introduced an arms race of negative industry traits to leave it in ruins, now they're gonna sit atop their empire of dirt fleecing people just for using even Windows post-2030 and whatever third-party Gamepass future they're planning. In the end, Xbox Live working out really was a mistake.

>>723955068
Nintendo conveniently never had urinalists nagging and henpecking them 24/7 until they gave up on exclusivity. Gee, it's almost like the whole crusade against exclusivity was always just a psyop to kneecap Nintendo's competitors since Nintendo was getting their asses whooped on a level playing field.

>>723968069
computers are just getting more expensive. There will be no personal computer anymore. Just some 4000 dollar AI node running windows cloud. Video game industry will collapse to GTA 6 and roblox at best where everything is monetized for companies to make money back. Subsidized xbox 360 days are long gone.

>>723968041
There won't even be cheap storefronts where things are going. Future is less players living in worlds populated with AI NPCs.

>>723969828
>since Nintendo was getting their asses whooped on a level playing field.
Not really, except for probably gen 6? They almost always had some of the best selling games of the gen, granted it was mostly due to pokemon and Mario but still.
It's even better for Nintendo from a profit standpoint since they've always been making more than their competitors.

>>723953090 (OP)
>everyone's going to go play Call of Duty, Minecraft, Roblox, and Fortnite anyway
She's not wrong, but they wouldn't be heading down this road if they didn't burn every IP they own. "Forever games" are their own issue, and it's sad to see Xbox turn out like this.

>>723969831
>DGX Spark 128GB VRAM
>only $3,999
Does that mean AI niggers will leave high end GPUs alone like the cryptofags did when mining with a consumer cards became obsolete?

>>723968069
Anon what do you think kids are playing right now? It is roblox, minecraft and fortnite, conventional gaming, be it any amount of A or indie is almost exclusively 25-30 and up demographic.

>>723972759
Anon I don't think you understand. The "good" times are over. Computers are no longer cheap consumer toys for the masses going forward. Computer chips are going to get more and more scarce and specialized and the ones buying the latest shit are going to be federal contractors and big tech trying to be the first to get diminishing returns on artificial intelligence. Microsoft doesn't even want to make xbox affordable anymore. Nintendo doesn't care anymore either. It's all about creating the ecosystem to rule all and selling whatever expensive box powerful enough to handle all the AI shit thrown into the 1-3 games left in the future implementing all that shit. The amount of psychological manipulation they can do on consumers in a game like GTA 6 with the AI systems underneath it collecting data on the players is endgame of video games. This is just gonna get worse until the day there is no one around smart enough to invent more efficient energy for AI data centers and the house of cards collapses.

>>723969831
>There will be no personal computer anymore
AMD endgame scenario (high tier APUs for everything/everyone) says otherwise... then again shills will try yo deny it.

Gaming will die only if every single indie and A/AA devs dies leaving AAA games on the shelves or if console faggots can't into PC+TV setups

>>723975105
Those GameCubes in your pic were on clearance.

GameCube launched at $199.99 which is $364.04 in today's money.

>>723953090 (OP)
Had they not destroyed the Halo IP they could have easily had Halo being listed among those games and it could have been exclusive to the Xbox. But instead they proceeded to absolute destroy the IP.

Meanwhile Nintendo allows Gamefreak to make shit Pokemon after shit Pokemon and it still sells gangbusters. I think 343 must have been especially shit for them to have sunk the franchise that low.

>>723953090 (OP)
>ignores nintendo breaking records by not doing this
Xbooooox y u do this

>>723976342
The curse of unlimited budget and no oversight.

>>723953090 (OP)
It's kinda funny knowing the people who are heading these publishers and studio's have no idea what made video games work back 2000-2009, so instead of figuring it out, they go off of market re-search, buying out companies, inflating budgets, and throwing a billion staff onto one project in hopes that it even comes close to a fraction of their success in the past, but it never does.
You'd imagine after it fucking up, and failing several times they'd go back to the drawing board and try to understand why shit is not working, but nope. Instead you get massive amount of cope from them, about how gaming has "changed" and that new IP's aren't "worth it" to the modern gamer, etc. But failing to understand that you can't build new IP's or good games, based off of trying to make something that has no creative vision, and is designed from day one to appeal to as many people as possible, and to be as safe as possible to keep chances of making a return high. They assume people want massive games, with tons of live-service elements, shit to collect in a open-world, but in reality people just want the creativity of the old games, but brought up to a more recent graphical standard.

>>723976489
And also those Pokemon games have such little budget put into them. People are trashing the latest one but it could literally stop selling right now and its already been a massive profit. Because they put next to nothing into these games as far as budget goes. Halo Infinite had over 500 million of a budget iirc. Its insane how much they have trashed this franchise when it was at one point just as popular as Mario and Pokemon.

>>723953090 (OP)
lol

>>723955596
>custom game within a game as a platform
A company already pioneered that system, but blew it and now they try to claim copyright over games they didn't even make and it killed the community.

>>723976342
>I think 343 must have been especially shit
They explicitly went out of their way to hire people who hated Halo and proudly told their fans that, then tried to make games that were only tangentially related to Halo with everything everybody liked about the Bungie games stripped out, downplayed or fucked with. It should have been obvious to everyone when they pulled the iconic plasma rifle out of Halo 4 and never put it back in outside of some fucking multiplayer mode in Halo 5. 343i legitimately hates the IP they were created to work with, and it was only made worse by Microsoft's insistence on contract workers despite the fact they had in-house software the contractors had to know how to use to do the work, which they couldn't because their contracts were stupidly short.

It was and remains the single most mismanaged IP in the vidya industry to date, and it's not close. Which is hilarious because it was at one time an absolute juggernaut, much beloved through the mid 00s, a household name.

>>723976740
The only thing people really just want Rockstar or Valve to make a Pokemon game
>no no no, you really want concorde
>you fuckig nazis didnt buy our game reeeeeeee
they act like you're obligated to buy their games
Oh wait that's how it would work under communism with a planned economy, you'd be forced to buy their slop, huh explains a lot

>>723976342
People stopped caring about Halo even before the games went to total shit. It was over the moment COD4 released.

>>723976206
>gamecube would be 364 dollars if launched today
>switch 2 is 500 dollars new

Thanks for proving my theory. Also consider the switch 2 having old hardware relative to peers while the gamecube was relatively same as its peers. Hardware costs go up and they just ignore sales numbers to sell them to less and less people with bigger pockets.

>>723975559
>gaming will die if only every single indie and A/AA devs die

it's been happening and will only get worse. Younger generations don't give a fuck about indies. Like I said, future is roblox and GTA 6. Everybody else will not be able to compete with the AI driven tech within these games that drain more money from their players. Art is gone in video games its just data collection within games to get more money off users.

>>723977382
God, Microsoft really does bungle everything they've got. Halo, Gears of War, Fable, Perfect Dark, Forza- that's just off the top of my head, and it's all fucked.

>>723978121
And the worst part is that they will never, ever see any legitimate financial consequences as a result, they truly are too big to fail, and the US government will unironically cover for them and bail them out if shit ever gets too bad. They have carte blanche to screw up as much as they want, and they will, because a growing percentage of their employees are H1Bs and other diversity hires. Absolutely dark god damned times.

>>723977382
Halo carried the Xbox brand hard,it's unbelievable just how poorly they've handled what was once their flagship series

>>723978121
Minecraft
Next retard.

>>723955068
>which also prevented them from doing any experimentation
There's nothing stopping them from doing experimentation, their problem is that they refuse to diversify the types of games they make and when they do make them they feel the need to shoot the budget to the moon for things that aren't necessary. Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and Astro Bot are two great examples where they don't need to be photorealistic yet are trying to push being super 4K high detail visuals for no discernible reason.

Sony had this same problem during the Vita where they blew AAA levels of money on things like Killzone and Uncharted to push the graphical quality as high as they could go completely missing that they were making games for a handheld that doesn't come with the expectation of super detailed models or visuals.
>Funny how Nintendo avoids all these problems though
They're already starting to complain about the rising cost of games and trying to justify their ridiculous $80 price tags because of it.

>>723953090 (OP)
Microsoft is saying this because they fucked up with Game Pass and the publisher acquisitions now Xbox is dying for it. Phil Spencer was a retard, he should have just built AA and AAA studios from the ground up and acquired some smaller AA studios. Phil wanted to buy Nintendo and Valve, and this is the end result of their folly

>>723979005
Literally a bad game. But it's the Pokémon of Xbox so Mojang will never ever try to make it good.

>>723978005
This isn't remotely true and I am tired of you idiots that have no clue constantly parroting this stupid shit just because you either are misremembering or you heard it from some retarded eceleb. Halo 3 and Reach were huge sellers and had massive numbers as far as player counts goes for years. To say they stopped caring entirely is very misleading. COD4 also never fully overtook Halo 3 the way you idiots seem to keep thinking. What actually happened is both games were fighting for top spot of XBL back in the day. Then when WAW released it further fractured the COD base a bit. It wasn't until MW2 released where you could start to clearly see that COD was definitely overtaking Halo in regards to popularity and of course sales. But Bungie was also done with Halo by the time Reach releases and all fans knew this.

Halo was mismanaged. Microsoft didn't know how to keep Halo fans pleased. They instead copied the competition until they actually just bought them.

This is why she's saying this

>>723980159
>Halo 3 and Reach were huge sellers
So was Halo 4.
So was Halo 5.
They still got dropped because COD was the popular game at the time. Halo 3 was struggling to hold the first place spot, and Reach couldn't hold it at all past 2010. The data is out there.

>>723972759
No, because it's still garbage for AI compared to a good GPU.

>>723979005
The devs have outright said that if Minecraft were to be made by the current team Creepers never would have existed.
It took them literal years to do anything with copper.
Bedrock is still immensely broken compared to Java.
Every time they make changes they break something else, Redstone was a good example within the past year or so where some methods they were using just stopped working out of the blue.
Even though basically everyone builds on the Nether Roof and go through convoluted ways to break Bedrock Mojang keeps patching Bedrock breaking methods out just for the hell of it when no one but people setting up ridiculous contraptions can even do it.
They constantly keep releasing updates where they basically just add some random animal into the game or overhaul things like Ghasts instead of adding more stuff equivalent to Trial Chambers.

Minecraft has had a pretty rough tenure with Microsoft in terms of how nothing so many of the updates are.

>>723976342
Halo was already dying to the point Microsoft were contemplating killing it before Bonnie Ross stepped in to create a team to save it. This is because of Phil Spencer's Day 1 Game Pass and buying Zenimax Bethesda and Activision Blizzard King. Xbox One era was already long dead by then. Don Mattrick's Xbox was dead by that point along with the stigma around Xbox.

sonys first party games unironically started to sell worse when pc versions became a thing

The games not being special anymore removed the exclusivity = better games shield

>>723980860
Sony ran into a different problem, they blew all of their load on high-budget singleplayer games. Sony Corp. never looked into this because they kept making them money but when Jim Ryan and Herman Hulst took over and started going for the live service push, it's what led to Sony finally looking into what the hell is going on in Sony Interactive Entertainment (SIE). This is why we've been seeing constant delays, multiple cancellations, studio closures, layoffs, a shift away from hardware, multiplatform push on PC, Nintendo, and Xbox, along with hints and rumors that they may drop their western push for Japanese developed games again. People think Sony is going to sell the PS6s at lower affordable prices. It'll cost less than the next gen Xboxes, but they will still be expensive. We're seeing the AAA collapse in real time.

>>723980458
I've seen the numbers and posted them before. Its pointless anyways since guys like you want to keep parroting this revisionist history of Halo 3 struggling (as if it barely ever won out or just flat out lost and wasn't popular) against COD when this just was not the case. Halo 3 is the series crown jewel for a reason. Despite COD's sudden surge in popularity Halo 3 was still a very popular game and even the top game for a few years.

But since you brought up sales and numbers.
>also inb4 haha vgchartz.

https://www.vgchartz.com/game/6964/halo-3/
https://www.vgchartz.com/game/7316/call-of-duty-4-modern-warfare/

This here proves that Halo 3 sold more copies on the Xbox 360 than COD4. COD4 may have outsold it but this is keeping in mind it was available on more platforms while Halo 3 was an Xbox 360 game only for a very long time until MCC and then its PC port.

>>723980860
We've also seen from the Insomniac leak that the PC versions in general vary wildly in how much they sold with many titles not even selling a million on PC. If I remember right the best selling games are HZD (The very first game they ported so it still had that hype behind it) at like 5 million, God of War which was like 3 million, and Days Gone which was around that amount. We know LBP flopped for example.

Then there's Lego Horizon which is pretty much the best example you could give for a game that likely would have seen better sales if HZD, HFW, and it were exclusives to Playstation compared to the massive flop it was despite being on Switch and PC on top of PS5.

We haven't even heard their PC numbers for Spidey 2, TLOU remakes, or HFW. You'd think HFW would have sold incredibly well if HZD did something like 5 million yet we never heard anything about it outside of combined numbers.

>>723980458
>>723981501
This is my last post on this topic. I am tired of having to constantly disprove all this misinformation about COD4 and Halo 3 during that time period. Its old as fuck and done with. But keep on believing your own head canon I guess.

PC just wound up with the best exclusives and microsoft bet on the wrong horse (or simply could not stop themselves from fucking up when they did bet on PC gaming)

sometimes the best PC exclusives toss a bone with a shitty console port like rimworld did

>>723982186
Screw it one last post on the matter.

>inb4 its Xbox so it has to be bias
Even though they literally own COD now

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2009/01/04/the-top-20-live-games-of-2008/

>>723982186
>>723982448
Curiously, you left out any mention of Reach. Mind you "it was over as soon as COD4 released" does not mean Halo 3 died on the spot, but it did cause a mortal wound and the playerbase was going to be bled dry over the next 5 years. Nobody would have cared even if Halo remained good, because the fad had past. There was another new pick up and play FPS on the market for console casuals.

It's hilarious how far Microsoft is off base with all this. It's not even about exclusives any more, you don't make anything good. Call of Duty, Minecraft, Roblox, Fortnite have all devolved into cafeteria treadmill slop and they operate on the insane notion that charge infinity money for a $50 product is a sustainable strategy when in reality we're seeing massive consumer burnout across the board across all industries. We're not pay pigs to be shaken down every month and you're going to see a growing trend of people simply skipping any game that has monetary exploitation mechanics.

>>723953090 (OP)
GamesRader didn’t reply to my email. I don’t why articles like this get through but they won’t post my article.

>>723982606
This, ODST was supposed to rejuvenate Halo 3, COD, at that point, killed Halo and left it high and dry to die.

Halo 3 was even the most popular XBL game in 2009. In fact it was the most popular XBL game for the years of 07, 08 and 09.
>>723982606
Because I never claimed Reach was more popular than COD or that COD never overtook Halo in popularity. It did eventually overtake Halo. The whole point is that Halo was extremely popular back in the day and this is something I guess gen Z wouldn't really understand since they weren't alive during that time and history has shown COD to still be dominating in popularity while Halo turned into a joke thanks to MS mishandling of the IP.

>>723982606
>the fad had past
10+ years of strong sales and popularity is quite the fad. Thanks I never knew fads lasted that long. From the OG Xbox to even the release of the 343 era games (as you yourself pointed out btw) they have had such huge sales but nope I guess it was a fad all along.

It was not a fad, it was not because COD was better. Its because MS and 343i did not know what the fuck to actually do to keep the series good and relevant. 343i as many pointed out went seemingly way out of their way to even shit all over the IP. MS hiring people who literally, LITERALLY, claim that they hate Halo. What a fantastic way to keep a franchise going and its fans happy....

Of course that retard says exclusives are dead. MS only knows how to fumble the ball despite having a field wide open for the W. Completely shitty incompetent company that has been a disaster for gaming.

>>723982865
You're still missing my point. Reach is generally regarded to be a good game, and it still dropped the ball to COD. People love to doompost about how 343 killed the series, but it was already dead when they got it.

https://x.com/SuperTimdog/status/1980965225672200569
LMAO, Xbox is fucking DEAD!

Roblox

>>723968760
>No one is going to knowingly buy a Chinese bootleg for a game
You can tell the zoomers that aren't alive buying peanuts for PS1 games that were burnt on a disc. If you knew a guy that could make pirated games, you were playing games for free. If you mean bootlegs of actual games then Genshin Impact is one of the biggest games of all time and it's impact has fundamentally changed the gacha industry for the worst because everyone is copying their gacha systems.

>>723953090 (OP)
If exclusives dont exist whats the point of even buying a console? PS and Xbox are both going not exist in the future and its retards like this fault.

>>723983625
At this point, it's better to just buy a Switch 2 and later the Steam Deck 2.

>>723968760
>No one is going to knowingly buy a Chinese bootleg for a game
You can tell the zoomers that weren't alive back when the PS1 was a thing because lads were paying peanuts for PS1 games that were burnt on a disc. If you knew a guy that could make burnt games, you were playing games for free. Just like people right now are playing pirated games.

If you mean bootlegs of actual games then Genshin Impact is one of the biggest games of all time and it's impact has fundamentally changed the gacha industry for the worst because everyone is copying their gacha systems.

>>723983357
>People love to doompost about how 343 killed the series, but it was already dead when they got it.
You are a fucking retard and I will not be replying to a moron any longer.

I get it, you lost the argument.

>>723956994
>Xbot cope
The last of us is more culturally relevant than gaylo.

No wonder Xbox died first among the big 3

>>723983625
Prepackaged hardware that can run current gen somewhat fine. In times of gpu alone being 1k+ console costing 850 for a complete package isn't that bad of a deal.