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Anonymous No.723983019 [Report] >>723983129 >>723983249 >>723983506 >>723984764 >>723984880 >>723986167 >>723986303 >>723986356 >>723989305 >>723989545 >>723990184 >>723990640 >>723991034 >>723992304 >>723992732 >>723999875 >>724002119 >>724005895 >>724006258 >>724006449 >>724006683 >>724013415 >>724016483 >>724017237 >>724018293 >>724020367 >>724025538 >>724026020 >>724029964 >>724030195 >>724030206 >>724032878 >>724033486 >>724033918 >>724039734 >>724040102 >>724043578
>little brother beat me in fighting games despite me having more experience
Fraud genre, this would have never happened to me in 3rd Strike.
Anonymous No.723983085 [Report] >>724035313
Bro came here to cry about it LMAO
Anonymous No.723983094 [Report] >>723986168 >>723986182
For me it's ninomae ina'nis
Anonymous No.723983129 [Report] >>724030206
>>723983019 (OP)
>losing to a mashing retard
kwab
Anonymous No.723983249 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
>Can't admit a defeat to a young more fit generation
Are fighting games for you faggots are like doll house for girl? Just playing pretend?
Anonymous No.723983506 [Report] >>723991006 >>724019081
>>723983019 (OP)
HHHRRRRYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Anonymous No.723984764 [Report] >>723985258 >>724006938 >>724029934
>>723983019 (OP)
this picture looks like the things that killed asuka in eoe
Anonymous No.723984880 [Report] >>723985810 >>724016575 >>724016613 >>724030680 >>724034345
>>723983019 (OP)
This you?
Anonymous No.723985258 [Report]
>>723984764
same lol
I immediately thought about mass-produced EVAs when I saw OP's pic.
Anonymous No.723985810 [Report] >>723986062 >>724019149 >>724030206
>>723984880
relentless pressure. That's frustrating for sure and takes a lot of patience and presence to look for an opening.

there might've been a small opening at 0:08-0:09 seconds:
Ken goes: Forward dash -> downback (block) -> Grab

in competitive gaming, those moves and tactics which take a dispproportionate amount of energy & awareness to execute vs to defend against, are especially brutal and the mid-high amateur level where people know how to exploit those things but not necessarily how to counterplay it
Oh this is Master+
Anonymous No.723986062 [Report] >>723988961
>>723985810
>relentless pressure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfEVcZ3anG0&t=43
Anonymous No.723986167 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
Tyzu
Anonymous No.723986168 [Report]
>>723983094
ouhhh ribs cvmshot
Anonymous No.723986182 [Report] >>723988045 >>723988704 >>723988950
>>723983094
what does that have to do with the topic you underage brown vtumor
Anonymous No.723986303 [Report] >>723990791 >>723994764 >>724016075 >>724032254
>>723983019 (OP)
>Fraud genre, this would have never happened to me in 3rd Strike.
Anonymous No.723986356 [Report] >>723986650
>>723983019 (OP)
>having more experience
No, you simply have played the games longer. Experience implies you're actually good, which you're not by your own admission.
Anonymous No.723986650 [Report] >>723988459
>>723986356
Longer duration and more experience go hand in hand, assuming you actually do things during that duration
Anonymous No.723988045 [Report] >>723988950
>>723986182
>Asking that in the eceleb thread
Anonymous No.723988459 [Report] >>723988851
>>723986650
No, to gain experience, you need to actually learn and improve. I've seen people playing the same game for 20 years while still failing to grasp the basics.
Anonymous No.723988704 [Report] >>723988950
>>723986182
When your entire personality is something retarded like being a furry or throwing money at female ecelebs, there's a tendency to want to convince other people that actually that shit is super cool and just part of culture. So they insert it everywhere they can get away with.
Anonymous No.723988851 [Report]
>>723988459
That's because nothing is intuitive in this dogshit genre and the real gameplay is sitting in the training room grinding the same reaction for hours so that you don't have to think about them in a real match.
Anonymous No.723988950 [Report] >>723989101
>>723986182
>>723988045
>>723988704
There is actually an Vtuber fighting game, Idol Showdown.
Anonymous No.723988961 [Report]
>>723986062
nice clip, thanks for sharing.
pretty fucken cool at around 2:26 when Rufus jumps over that tatsu that was almost at ground level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRY0aMbSZEM
Anonymous No.723989101 [Report]
>>723988950
I wanted to like Ina in Idol Showdown but she has really weird charge moves.
Anonymous No.723989305 [Report] >>723989720 >>724040285
>>723983019 (OP)
>known in my friend group as the fighting game guy
>lost to my mashing normie friend on a street fighter arcade cabinet we found in the wild
THE BUTTONS WERE MUSHY THE JOYSTICK BARELY WORKED THIS IS BULLSHIT IT SHOULDN'T COUNT
Anonymous No.723989545 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
mad cos bad
Anonymous No.723989720 [Report]
>>723989305
>Proud to be "the fighting game guy"
>"THE BUTTONS WERE MUSHY THE JOYSTICK BARELY WORKED THIS IS BULLSHIT IT SHOULDN'T COUNT"

Anon. They know. And likely even agree with your argument. But the fact you care so much means they'll never let you live it down
Anonymous No.723990184 [Report] >>723990380 >>723993456
>>723983019 (OP)
Perhaps his playstyle doesn't seem "normal" to you
Anonymous No.723990380 [Report] >>723991206 >>723993456 >>723994615
>>723990184
>double forward dash into (Super?)
holy. big CHAD THUNDERCOCK energy
Anonymous No.723990640 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
lil unc lost
Anonymous No.723990791 [Report]
>>723986303
I miss rocks. These new trolls just dont got it.
Anonymous No.723990978 [Report]
fighting game thread makes fighting games feel more like a humiliation ritual rather than a fun hobby
Anonymous No.723991006 [Report] >>723992773 >>724019081 >>724021430
>>723983506
>no earplugs
>get locked into place for the next 20 seconds while he screams 3 times in a row
Anonymous No.723991034 [Report] >>723997809
>>723983019 (OP)
>brother is bad so I think he's going to 4 pool me because he's not building anything when I scout him
>instead he fast expands and my 8 bunkers are useless and make me lose because of how far behind my economy is
RTS games are a scam, this would of never happened if we were playing Super Smash Brothers.
Anonymous No.723991073 [Report] >>723991593 >>724031209
rog thread
Anonymous No.723991206 [Report]
>>723990380
>SA2 Ken
This is how you know someone means business
t. got bodied by a Chun-Li on a super that wasn't the kicks
Anonymous No.723991593 [Report]
>>723991073
no one cares more about losing a game than fgc honestly
Anonymous No.723991595 [Report] >>723991820
Anonymous No.723991820 [Report] >>723992112
>>723991595
LOW
Anonymous No.723992112 [Report] >>723992151
>>723991820
TIER
Anonymous No.723992151 [Report] >>723992457
>>723992112
ZUTT
Anonymous No.723992304 [Report] >>724006123
>>723983019 (OP)
What is that thing? Mass Production Evangelion?
Anonymous No.723992457 [Report]
>>723992151
kekkkkk
Anonymous No.723992732 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
does anyone even have fun playing fighting games? Everything surrounding it is either e-sport cancer or humiliation rituals
Anonymous No.723992773 [Report]
>>723991006
Did you rike it?
Anonymous No.723993456 [Report] >>723995071 >>724001789 >>724006515
>>723990184
>>723990380
playing like a crackhead is eternal, no matter the fighting game
Anonymous No.723994615 [Report] >>723994737 >>723995079 >>724002152
>>723990380
>double forward dash into (Super?)
also I'm realizing the super might've been option selected, as in, this lunatic might've done the input for a third forward dash at the same time to 'cover' for the Super and decided what to do next based on which move came out?
in which case - what were they prepared to do with that third dash??
maybe such questions are best left unanswered..
Anonymous No.723994737 [Report]
>>723994615
>what were they prepared to do with that third dash??
a fourth dash
Anonymous No.723994764 [Report] >>724032527
>>723986303
lowtiergod's proof that you can't get good just by constantly playing online
Anonymous No.723994962 [Report] >>724001323
Maybe you just werent that good?
Anonymous No.723995071 [Report]
>>723993456
thats just normal guilty gear thoughbeit
Anonymous No.723995079 [Report]
>>723994615
nevermind I just reasoned it out, and in the branching path in the decision tree where a normal comes out instead of a super, there would not be a third dash (because it got interrupted by whatever normal attack came out, and probably was not recent enough to have buffered into another dash)

wow that took too much brainpower
Anonymous No.723995636 [Report] >>723999809 >>724020367 >>724030206
Anonymous No.723997809 [Report] >>723998946 >>724034205
>>723991034
Anonymous No.723998946 [Report] >>723999540 >>724034205
>>723997809
every single time I've tuned into an ongoing Artosis stream in the past 15 years, he's in the middle of raging at his opponent, shouting "this fucking guy!" about to lose while chat is dunking on him, lmao

he's got his act down pat.

>pov: when ur gf tears ur sc2 beta key
Anonymous No.723999540 [Report]
>>723998946
i especially with the tts bots people use in chat
Anonymous No.723999809 [Report]
>>723995636
I had no idea this was so common.
Anonymous No.723999875 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
just beat him irl to get even
Anonymous No.724001323 [Report]
>>723994962
another 50 hours in training
Anonymous No.724001789 [Report]
>>723993456
as a wise man once said, you're never minus if you're not a bitch
Anonymous No.724002119 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
This is how I felt when my little brother kept getting back-to-back podiums in Mario Kart 8 despite him never picking up a Switch in his life while I'm the sweaty fuck in the P5-P8 midfield.
Anonymous No.724002152 [Report]
>>723994615
I'm not a 3s player but I don't think there is a dash/super os like that. I can't think of a way it would work based on the input reader at least. 3S doesn't even have proximity throws or anything. Maybe he buffered a parry into it or something and that covers some options?
Anonymous No.724002460 [Report] >>724004235 >>724006683
fighting game knowers, whats a really lewd fighting game with good fanservice? hopefully 2d
Anonymous No.724004235 [Report]
>>724002460
Variable Geo. I think PC some releases have actual H-scenes.
Anonymous No.724005895 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
Experience doesnt always equal skill. There are MOBAs with ton of players who have 10k+ h of playtime and they still suck ass.
Anonymous No.724006123 [Report]
>>723992304
Yeah they made them irl
Anonymous No.724006258 [Report] >>724006934
>>723983019 (OP)
This is a semi-common occurrence, especially depending on the game.

You probably do have the skills and knowledge of high level play, but are still at a medium level mindset, because you expected him to respect what you did, rather than the simple mindset he has. That doesn't mean he's better, but that also doesn't mean the genre is fraud, especially if it's a game with an easy input/combo system like autocombos or single button supers.

You are partially right in that 3rd strike doesn't let newbies just mash and get full combos, but outside of your brother maybe having more knowledge of the game than you expected, but again you might just be respecting him too much and expecting him to react in the ways expected.

If you throwbait, expecting a missed throw tech or defense and instead they mash and attack, it's not them being smart or realizing the situation, instead they literally mashed and got rewarded.

That's the main difference between mid and high levels of play, where mid players assume of the opponent whilst high level completely understands the opponent and adapts.

What game btw?
Anonymous No.724006449 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
If mashing defeats you then you dont know shit about the fundamentals of the game (movement and punishment)
Anonymous No.724006515 [Report] >>724009930 >>724031897
>>723993456
you love to see it
Anonymous No.724006683 [Report]
>>724002460
>>723983019 (OP)
forgot to say that I'm gonna play this with my little brother
he'll get distracted by the big tits while I go in for the kill
Anonymous No.724006934 [Report] >>724007343 >>724014636
>>724006258
>What game btw?
Street Fighter 6 and Tekken 8.

SF6 has that weird DI that is bullshit and Tekken is 3d which I have problems with.
Anonymous No.724006938 [Report] >>724021139
>>723984764
dude spoiler
Anonymous No.724007343 [Report]
>>724006934
Fairs. At least as far as Tekken, you might have experience in other games that don't translate well to 3D so it's a more even playing field. As for SF6, it's more than likely my comment about respecting too much and not expecting the random out of nowhere armored combo starter.
Anonymous No.724009930 [Report] >>724010775 >>724020367
>>724006515
>surely he won't do it again
Anonymous No.724010775 [Report] >>724018748
>>724009930
sometimes you just have to go for it until they learn
Anonymous No.724013179 [Report] >>724013909
Fighting games are for literal shitskins, post hand, OP.
Anonymous No.724013415 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
>Turd strike
Lmao
Anonymous No.724013909 [Report]
>>724013179
that and you need 500+ hours of training before you can do online
Anonymous No.724014636 [Report]
>>724006934
>Tekken is 3d
Only in graphics
Anonymous No.724016075 [Report]
>>723986303
Anonymous No.724016156 [Report]
Anonymous No.724016262 [Report] >>724016569
FUCK KHEZU
Anonymous No.724016483 [Report] >>724017912
>>723983019 (OP)
Pros can't predict out of the box non-meta chaos. Remember when Magnus Carlsen thought his opponent had an AI buttplug giving him the answers through vibration because the guy wasn't playing like your average tryhard?
Anonymous No.724016569 [Report] >>724017792
>>724016262
Gladly
Anonymous No.724016575 [Report]
>>723984880
What the fuck happened to Ceelows man... so this is why he keeps taking breaks from SF6
Anonymous No.724016613 [Report] >>724016829
>>723984880
Capcom insists throw loops are not only fine but so riveting that they want to charge you $40 to watch people throw looping each other btw
Anonymous No.724016829 [Report] >>724017160 >>724017331
>>724016613
>insert fgc fag quip about getting gud rather than the game or the genre being not fun to play
Anonymous No.724017160 [Report] >>724017784
>>724016829
>the genre being not fun to play
But it is fun to play, it's why people play them.
Why are you always in these threads seething about being so bad at fighting games.
Anonymous No.724017237 [Report] >>724031535
>>723983019 (OP)
My MOTHER beat me in one round of Marvel vs Capcom 3 when I was a teen.

MY MOTHER.
Anonymous No.724017331 [Report] >>724017698
>>724016829
Literally EVERYONE outside Japan complains about SF6's throw loops, and they're not universally loved in Japan for that matter
It is true that you just gotta deal with them until someone with a gun convinces Capcom to finally do something about them, though, which is why I stopped playing SF6
Anonymous No.724017367 [Report]
For me it's ninomae ina'nis
Anonymous No.724017368 [Report] >>724017509 >>724017941 >>724017951
So, how does one play against mashing? assuming superior skill or not, either way
Anonymous No.724017509 [Report] >>724017763
>>724017368
Pick Ken and mash DP back
Anonymous No.724017698 [Report] >>724017784 >>724018054 >>724018828
>>724017331
the issue is that sf6 is the biggest game in the entire genre yet fgc fags want to pretend it's the most gatekept genre when it's just not fun to play in general.
>But it is fun to play, it's why people play them.
people play them because it's an e-sport, if you're playing them to have fun you'll never make any progress and you'll get flamed for being newer if you're not playing the newer games
Anonymous No.724017763 [Report]
>>724017509
I was thinking more in general, rather than in a specific game. Can you abstract it?
Anonymous No.724017784 [Report]
>>724017698
second part was meant for >>724017160
Anonymous No.724017792 [Report] >>724018130
>>724016569
white woman spotted, tits or gtfo
Anonymous No.724017912 [Report]
>>724016483
>Pros can't predict out of the box non-meta chaos
This is a massive cope. If this were true then pros would be drowning in pools instead of the same players consistently placing high in tournaments. The likes of Ulsan or Atif aren't getting mixed by no name button mashers in their first offline tournament.
Anonymous No.724017941 [Report] >>724018325
>>724017368
>how does one play against mashing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riGCdE6ZPck
tl;dw:
>utilize spacing and outpoke your opponent if they're mashing stubby buttons
>utilize frametraps (intentional gaps in your pressure that are JUST small enough that the opponent doing anything but blocking or DPing will get them hit) to punish your opponent disrespecting your offense
>time your attacks to hit the opponent as soon as they're vulnerable after a knockdown (called a meaty) which will hit the opponent for doing anything but blocking or DPing
>wait for your opponent to do something unsafe and punish them hard for it; most games have extremely unsafe reversals that can get you killed if blocked
Anonymous No.724017951 [Report] >>724018325
>>724017368
if they're whiffing moves with long recovery, whiff punish them
if they're whiffing jabs or other moves you can't whiff punish, just let them come and either stuff them on the way, or punish whatever retarded shit they're throwing

on block, either frametrap if they're pressing random buttons, or do nothing if they're doing reversals
spacetraps can be ok if you have a reliable setup, but I avoid any kind of fake/interruptible pressure against mashers
Anonymous No.724018054 [Report] >>724018561
>>724017698
>people play them because it's an e-sport
The guy playing on PC at home is most likely never going to EVO. MAYBE he'd go to a local if he's lucky enough to have one, but the majority of players don't expect to ever be anything but wi-fi warriors.
Anonymous No.724018130 [Report]
>>724017792
Anonymous No.724018293 [Report] >>724018831
>>723983019 (OP)
Could it be because of the unpredictability of a new player that took you off-guard? More experienced players tend to be more predictable because they follow a meta.
Anonymous No.724018325 [Report] >>724018549 >>724019719
>>724017941
>>724017951
I'll watch it later, but appreciate the tl;dw for now. So, if I'm reading you anons correctly, essentially one has to play defensive/careful and capitalize on windows of vulnerability? kind of be mindful in the face of their mashing?
makes sense, but still it seems harder to punish them on approach potentially, if they're jabbing their way in. like
>or punish whatever retarded shit they're throwing
what if that retarded shit is really quick/dangerous? I imagine the answer is git gud, I'm just asking for details on how. Thanks for the responses so far also.
Anonymous No.724018549 [Report] >>724018776
>>724018325
>>what if that retarded shit is really quick/dangerous?
In most modern games you're not going to run into instant overheads from neutral, you're going to be reacting to jumps and some variant of a fast forward dash
Anonymous No.724018561 [Report] >>724018953 >>724019247
>>724018054
some of the most hardcore sports fans are fat lards, a wi-fi warrior will still play them because
>le fighting games are cool
even if they don't actually have fun
Anonymous No.724018705 [Report]
Someone play me in Makeruna! Makendou 2.
Anonymous No.724018748 [Report]
>>724010775
gonna buy alex on release, love grapplers
Anonymous No.724018776 [Report] >>724019136
>>724018549
so it's essentially a non issue, and most stuff that can be mashed is punishable if you're careful and aware of your spacing/timing?
Anonymous No.724018828 [Report] >>724019247
>>724017698
>people play them because it's an e-sport
I've put hundreds of hours into games with sub-100 active players and no prize pools in tournaments. I've put dozens out hours into games with so few players that there are no tournaments at all, just long casual sets
Fighting games don't provide much enjoyment if you aren't playing to improve (especially with how bad most single player content in the genre is), but you don't have to become a sweatlord to do that and you don't have to be motivated by money to do it. Sometimes all you need is a practice partner of a similar skill level and the desire to get better than them as they also learn from you.
Anonymous No.724018831 [Report]
>>724018293
I think it's more the fact they are applying constant pressure and don't care if you can whiff punish because they'll simply jump right back in and keep it up without a care for their health bar.
For some players it's simply a matter of holding your ground and taking small victories, but for others it's easy to get overwhelmed.
Anonymous No.724018953 [Report] >>724019843
>>724018561
>>le fighting games are cool
>even if they don't actually have fun
So... they play the games because they like them. And they may have bad games here and there, but the thrill of getting a win keeps them coming back. SF6 is kind of stinky, but there are a plethora of fighting games with communities, no matter how small, that you can join.
Anonymous No.724019016 [Report]
Fighting games are fun because I enjoy learning and getting better. Even though Tekken is allegedly a nightmare right now, I'm still only in blue ranks where it feels like a majority of my losses are my own because of my execution, movement, or lack of knowledge to punish
Anonymous No.724019081 [Report]
>>723983506
>>723991006
Anonymous No.724019136 [Report] >>724019727
>>724018776
No, you can mash safe stuff
It's up to you to know the game, know which moves you can punish on block, or which moves you can whiff punish
Anonymous No.724019149 [Report]
>>723985810
the problem isn't an opening, you can trivially tech the throw and it resets.
issue is that if you attempt to tech the throw and your opponent calls you out with a shimmy, you basically get opened to eating a free full combo for 40%+ of your HP, so the logic is that you just take a lot of the throws because its less damage and only occasionally tech.

they are too afraid of eating a big combo to actually try to get out of the situation.
Anonymous No.724019247 [Report]
>>724018828
see >>724018561
fat lard sports fan care about sports even when they specifically don't win. similar thing with even smaller fighting game communities. plus they can also make themselves feel le based on not normal fag
Anonymous No.724019719 [Report] >>724020486 >>724020962
>>724018325
>essentially one has to play defensive/careful and capitalize on windows of vulnerability?
That's part of it, but if your opponent is truly mashing then once you get into a position of advantage you can usually win by just doing the same thing over and over because they're not going to stop mashing to play defensive themselves.
Let's say you have a special move that, if it hits, leads to big damage and a knockdown. Your opponent doesn't want to block and tries to take their turn as soon as they can, so you press a normal that you can cancel into the special and which puts the opponent in blockstun exactly long enough that their fastest button won't hit you in time. You can repeatedly go for that and melt your opponent's healthbar.

Alternatively, let's say you have a move that gives you a knockdown with the right frame advantage (that is, how many frames you can act before the opponent can) that you can jump and hit the opponent right as you land. This is called a safejump, and you'll both hit the opponent the moment they're vulnerable if they mash, give yourself great frame advantage if they block, and if they press DP you recover in time to block that, giving you a MASSIVE punish. A player who won't respect your offense at all because they won't stop mashing will lose to you just looping safejumps into combos that end in another safejump.

So, you don't have to play outright defensive, but you do need to play in a way that's safe, not doing mindgames that a masher can just mash through. That's why frametraps and meaties beat mashing, they're things that HAVE to be respected or you just get hit. The opponent MUST stop mashing in order to beat it (or they can start mashing DP, but as mentioned if you bait that once you get a huge punish)
Anonymous No.724019727 [Report] >>724031897
>>724019136
I see. I'm having trouble understanding how to punish safe stuff mashing, I guess. Just bide my time, respect the aggression? It seems I could just overrespect it then and get mashed harder for it, not sure.
Anonymous No.724019843 [Report] >>724020340
>>724018953
>So... they play the games because they like them
They play them because they it's the cool high profile gamer genre
Anonymous No.724020340 [Report] >>724020868
>>724019843
Well, if that's the case, it's definitely filtered you out.
And if it filtered a shitter like you, who can only screech that no one plays for fun, I'd say it's a good thing it's seen that way.
Anonymous No.724020367 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
>>723995636
>>724009930
If you dip into real competitive martial arts the same thing happens
Fighters train to deal with incredibly technical, measured, tactical individuals that are aware of the danger and try to avoid taking damage as much as possible. They try to win by points, too.
They get used to this. Years go by and eventually some retard slugger that throws overhands while eating punches gives them brain damage.
And that brawler keeps winning, not knowing what running out the clock even means, until all the fighters train to deal with "normal people" again. And that 20-1 knockout record starts tipping.
Mashing is a great strategy if used correctly.

Same goes for being "unorthodox" until they figure your style out. Like a boxer that dances with their hands down.
Spice, not the whole meal.
Anonymous No.724020486 [Report]
>>724019719
100% of the people who complain about mindless mashers and say shit like "I play better against better players and worse against worse players" just have awful fundamentals and try to rely on tricking their opponents and knowledge checking people instead of actually having understanding of the systems and being able to structure a solid offense.
a meaty that goes into either a safe block string or a combo will beat 90% of people who mash and is trivial thing to learn. yeah you can do a lot more as you mentioned to absolutely shut them down with 0 options for recourse unless they change what they are doing, but that does take a lot more effort to learn and while its applicable for better players, even a day 1 player can learn a meaty and a string for it.
Anonymous No.724020868 [Report] >>724020980
>>724020340
I accept your concession
Anonymous No.724020962 [Report]
>>724019719
I see. I understand better now, I think. So, since they're only mashing, the idea is to get them on the backstep and get an advantage, then win with calculated aggression as they have no capacity or intention to play defensively in any way themselves?
Anonymous No.724020980 [Report] >>724021041
>>724020868
Hopefully next time you come up with something better than pure subjective drivel
Anonymous No.724021041 [Report]
>>724020980
Anonymous No.724021139 [Report] >>724021806
>>724006938
It's your fault for not watching a near 30 year old movie
>Dude Rosebud was the SLED!
>ERMMMMM SPOILERSSSSS
Anonymous No.724021430 [Report]
>>723991006
Anonymous No.724021806 [Report] >>724021947
>>724021139
>sorry little timmy, but you should have watched this move when it came out 80 years before you were born. It's your fault really
Anonymous No.724021947 [Report]
>>724021806
If you knew about it and cared, you should have found a way to watch it.
Anonymous No.724023159 [Report]
I like fighting games but I don't like ranked modes being nothing but first-to-2 against random people you never even get to talk to. Long sets with people you can shoot shit with are the most fun way to play.
Anonymous No.724025538 [Report] >>724025815 >>724026004 >>724026232 >>724030249 >>724037045
>>723983019 (OP)
>experience
You are born with a certain skill cap. No amount of practice will let you break through that.
Anonymous No.724025815 [Report] >>724027468
>>724025538
otherwise ltg would be top 1%, it's just a humiliation ritual with the thin veil of "improving"
Anonymous No.724026004 [Report] >>724026259
>>724025538
>learning isn't real, you are as good at things as you will ever be when you start them
don't tell me u are really this retarded anon
or are u trying to say you have never learnt things before?
Anonymous No.724026020 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
Looks like a mutant Khezu
Anonymous No.724026232 [Report] >>724026335
>>724025538
Practice
Then practice
And then practice
Anonymous No.724026259 [Report] >>724030403
>>724026004
there's a different between knowledge and actual experience and ability
Anonymous No.724026335 [Report] >>724026740
>>724026232
just wasted time when you can feel that you're at your limits. you can only "break" your limits so many times
Anonymous No.724026740 [Report] >>724027414 >>724027501
>>724026335
>you can only "break" your limits so many times
You should never feel like you have a limit in the first place
Anonymous No.724027414 [Report]
>>724026740
>horse cock enjoyer
Anonymous No.724027468 [Report] >>724027947
>>724025815
>people actually believe this
LTG is stuck where he is because he isn't actively trying to improve. He isn't labbing, he isn't checking his replays, and he isn't seeking to get better. He is going through the motions and banning people who are better than him while saying funny thing like a circus performer.
To compare use him as an example of muh limits and "improving" makes a mockery of our ability to learn and you're a dipshit for regurgitating it.
Anonymous No.724027501 [Report] >>724028098 >>724028315
>>724026740
if people didn't have limits they would be able to perfectly react to everything frame perfectly. Trying to improve yourself without limits at best will eventually leave you humiliated and shamefull the worst case scenario is that you actively degrade your own mind and body. See body builders who do everything possible to win. They deform their bodies with horrific side effects like Palumboism.
Anonymous No.724027947 [Report] >>724028474
>>724027468
human minds are built with pattern recognition, even with insane narcissism he would improve somewhat steadily even at a snails pace and even blocking people who beat him once but he's the exact same position as he was years ago.
Anonymous No.724028098 [Report] >>724028593
>>724027501
just bee youself and belif
Anonymous No.724028315 [Report]
>>724027501
>they would be able to perfectly react to everything frame perfectly.
Why do people think that being good = being perfect?
You're not trying to become a machine, you're trying to learn the game inside and out so you can win as many games as possible.
Anonymous No.724028474 [Report] >>724028867
>>724027947
No, you wouldn't. Past certain ranks, you will not get further unless you know your frame data, something that can and does get patched frequently. He is banging his head against the wall trying to brute force using 'his way', and actively shunning anything that doesn't match that style. You don't get better even involuntarily by doing that.
Anonymous No.724028593 [Report] >>724029325
>>724028098
>just bee youself and belif
Anonymous No.724028867 [Report] >>724028950 >>724029406
>>724028474
>, you will not get further unless you know your frame data, something that can and does get patched frequently
Yet i get constantly told that i don't need to know frame data and that the best players don't constantly look at frame data. which one is it?
>you're trying to learn the game inside and out so you can win as many games as possible.
yes being perfect is the ideal for that. If there was anything that can change your brain chemistry to make it so you can react frame perfectly to almost anything but there was sever side-effects many fgc would take that anyway
Anonymous No.724028950 [Report] >>724029126
>>724028867
>>Yet i get constantly told that i don't need to know frame data and that the best players don't constantly look at frame data
Lmao who the fuck told you that? That's just blatantly untrue.
Anonymous No.724029126 [Report] >>724029478 >>724029552 >>724030292 >>724030819
>>724028950
fgc fags telling me that spending the majority of the time in fighting games in training mode is unnecessary. anytime i mention that the bulk amount of time required to play fighting games is needed in training mode they always bring it up
Anonymous No.724029325 [Report] >>724029858
>>724028593
wasent himselv
no true belivd
sad, really
still bigger of a footprint in the world compared to generic sack of veiny rocks number 7
Anonymous No.724029406 [Report] >>724029576 >>724030157
>>724028867
>yes being perfect is the ideal for that.
Ideal? Have you ever heard of anyone saying that you can perfect anything? Of course not, you are human. What you can do, is know the game mechanics, and do your best to use that knowledge to beat your opponents.
Anonymous No.724029478 [Report]
>>724029126
Knowing what moves you can punish, with what attacks, is the most important thing you need to know bar none in any game. It is the first thing you should learn when picking up a new character, and it is the most important part of learning matchups.

I am willing to bet that you are misconstruing their words with the context of running through the same 2 combos in practice mode over and over again. That doesn't help you get better. Looking at character frame data and your punishes does.
Anonymous No.724029552 [Report]
>>724029126
>fgc fags telling me that spending the majority of the time in fighting games in training mode is unnecessary
Yeah, the majority of time should be spent fighting other players, but that still means you should practice your character and spend some time training.
Anonymous No.724029576 [Report] >>724029723
>>724029406
seems pretty robot-like from you
you chip chugger
humans will reflect god's might
and ai will serve
fuck you
Anonymous No.724029723 [Report] >>724030208
>>724029576
If you want to be a robot that spams down3 frame perfectly, be my guest, but that's not the way to learn fighting games.
Anonymous No.724029858 [Report] >>724030357
>>724029325
when you reach your mind and bodies limits of improving you have to stop believing in yourself to get even small boosts of improvement from other sources
Anonymous No.724029934 [Report]
>>723984764
it looks kinda like a dickhead
Anonymous No.724029964 [Report] >>724030086
>>723983019 (OP)
I come here about once every 2 months for a few minutes and I've ran into your thread before. You're keeping it up at all times, you autist?
Anonymous No.724030086 [Report]
>>724029964
If OP doesn't bait us, how could we have a good thread?
Anonymous No.724030157 [Report] >>724030625
>>724029406
but if you're constantly trying to improve the goal should be as close to perfection as possible otherwise whats even the point.
Anonymous No.724030195 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
washed up unc frfr nocap ong
Anonymous No.724030206 [Report] >>724038570
>>723983019 (OP)
>>723983129
>>723985810
>>723995636

I've found if I jump right into their face and relentlessly mash / block, they crumble, EVERY TIME.

What is it with you metafags and not being able to accept the tiny box you have learned in being opened, and forced to adapt to change? Even if I know the moves and bum rush, they fumble every time and the second they're in the corner it's over.
Anonymous No.724030208 [Report] >>724030424
>>724029723
if spamming down3 perfectly is the best way to win then you literally can't argue against it
Anonymous No.724030249 [Report] >>724030391
>>724025538
>You are born with a certain skill cap. No amount of practice will let you break through that.
True, but there's no way his cap is so low that he got beaten outright by his brother. That's crazy.
Anonymous No.724030292 [Report]
>>724029126
training mode is to get the basic knowledge and trying basic stuff, then you get ass blasted in fights to learn what to do
which usually means giving up on what you want to do and think you know, and learning to apply what works at a needed time
but you need to eat shit first and experience ego death to understand
It's kind of like a wing chung fighter with 10 year experience sparring for the first time. Suddenly that machinegun punch combo to the chest you perfected, which seemed killer, gets countered every time and you get the option of learning when to do it or shit your pants and quit fighting
It never began
Anonymous No.724030357 [Report]
>>724029858
who said believe in yourself?
that's gay
Anonymous No.724030391 [Report] >>724030895 >>724031234 >>724031535
>>724030249
if you're brother is even a single inch taller than you than they're inherently better than you since they can get stronger than your body could even if it's a small amount. There's a reason why manlets are the butt of jokes a lot of the time and most women are inherently turned off by them
Anonymous No.724030403 [Report] >>724030557
>>724026259
anon are you trying to say the only things you can learn are knowledge based? really?
that like... kicking a ball isn't something you can improve at by doing? that people don't improve their hand eye coordination by doing tasks that involve it?

are you genuinely retarded?
Anonymous No.724030424 [Report] >>724030680
>>724030208
It is until it isn't, and then you're simply stuck spamming a move that doesn't work.
Anonymous No.724030557 [Report] >>724030747 >>724031081
>>724030403
the one thing nearly all human brains have is that they can hold information in their brain. having all information related to math or history can be useful but knowing everything about street fighter 3 doesn't mean you're even actually capable of even being mediocre at it.
Anonymous No.724030625 [Report] >>724031025
>>724030157
Close to perfection does not mean perfection, and that means you make mistakes, and those mistakes end in big losses.
That's the thrill of fighting games, someone can push the right button at the right time and ruin your entire round, no matter how perfect you think you are.
Anonymous No.724030680 [Report] >>724031149
>>724030424
if it isn't then you wouldn't be doing that, you would be doing something(s) else perfect to win. No matter how stupid it seems, like grab spamming >>723984880
Anonymous No.724030747 [Report]
>>724030557
are you OP trying to cope?
genuine loser
sad
i bet your bro fucks better too
Anonymous No.724030819 [Report]
>>724029126
training mode is a tool for finding solutions to problems
if you haven't encountered a problem yet, what exactly are you trying to solve? you need to play games, find some shit you are struggling with, and not just a once-of but actually finding problems, be they holes in your gameplan, specific situations, certain moves, or even nebulous scenarios, and THEN you go into training mode to find a solution to them problems.

even then, most of your should still be playing against people, its a great to go into training mode for 10min and figure out a few things that might work, but you need to go into a game and actually try out if they do work.
there only exception to this is if you are playing some giga combo heavy vortex character, where after playing them beyond the beginner level you just need to be able to execute a couple of setplay scenarios for them to be a functional/viable character and you need to spend time drilling them in training mode, often times the giga combo focused characters have a gorillion different scenarios you can drill and your capabilities with them is determined by how much time you spend in training mode, but just like.... don't play them characters? hardly anyone does for that exact reason, even characters with some setplay core to their functionality is only like.... a few minutes in training mode to learn it and then u can go right back into matches, its just the giga autist characters that require grinding training mode.
just play people, you can completely avoid training mode if you want. its like in a moba where yeah you can try to figure out some scenarios in custom lobbies, you can watch your replays and try to get better, but most people don't and they are perfectly fine never doing that, fighting games are exactly the same
Anonymous No.724030895 [Report] >>724031290
>>724030391
Yes, but we're talking about a skill based activity. You have to train for your cap to be relevant.
It should take a true talent to beat you outright, otherwise you're lazy as fuck.
Anonymous No.724031025 [Report] >>724031149
>>724030625
again you're trying to reach perfection, if you can't then what's the point
Anonymous No.724031059 [Report]
>nnooooOoooOOOOOOOOOOO
>I SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME BACK FROM SCHOOL AND WIN AGAINST ESPORT PLAYERS
>THIS ISN'T FUN
>THEY MASH AND THROW ME AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING
yeah, it's the game's issue. not you sucking and dipping your casual ass into a competitive game
get back to elden ring, "hardcore" faggit
Anonymous No.724031081 [Report] >>724042441 >>724042807
>>724030557
anon you know that your brain also controls your hands, your reactions, and how comfortable it is with certain motions. your brain even literally builds your body based on how you use it.
you can absolutely learn things that are not knowledge based, how did you learn to swim for example? is that purely knowledge based? because I sure as fuck could not accurately tell you how I move my muscles to swim, but through practice I am able to learn what motions work the best and can execute them again but if I never actually try the different motions and compare minutely different ones and combinations I am unable to ever actually learn it, it isn't knowledge based.
like are u trying to say I learn to play guitar and piano solely on knowledge?

your brain can learn abstract things anon, learning isn't recall and learning isn't knowledge, what a gross over simplification.
you either are trolling or genuinely have never done any physical activity, learned any skill, play any support, or really done fucking anything, you must be supremely retarded or trolling.
Anonymous No.724031149 [Report] >>724032432
>>724030680
SF6 I can't defend
>>724031025
Playing a videogame? Having fun playing a game that you've put hours into and can enjoy with others, experiencing those highs and lows?
Anonymous No.724031209 [Report]
>>723991073
Actually I play on switch
Anonymous No.724031234 [Report] >>724031691
>>724030391
>better
at what? in what capacity? in what measure?
you seem to act as if it is "strength" or some sort of "fighting" capability.
which is funny because being tall is a disadvantage in a fight, there is a reason that every professional fighter is on the shorter side, being short height wise, especially if its from short legs, with long arms is the peak body ratio for hand to hand fighting, weapons too.
Anonymous No.724031290 [Report] >>724031705
>>724030895
>Yes, but we're talking about a skill based activity. You have to train for your cap to be relevant.
>It should take a true talent to beat you outright
and then when that happens you get humiliated when your actual skill isn't as high as you thought and that "true talent" is just someone with better genes
Anonymous No.724031535 [Report] >>724032432
>>724030391
>since they can get stronger than your body could even if it's a small amount.

All true, but we're talking about performance, not potential.
My younger brother is a 6 foot NEET and I'm a manlet, I can wrap my thumb and index finger around his upper arm because he's supernaturally lazy.

If he was stronger than me in just a few months of training, he'd better be an undercover Kryptonian.

>>724017237
>My MOTHER beat me in one round of Marvel vs Capcom 3 when I was a teen.
>MY MOTHER.

Your Mom is cool, you should be grateful.
Anonymous No.724031648 [Report]
You just suck. I remember a few years ago I went with a high school friend of mine to Thanksgiving or something at his parents' house. His little brother was playing SFV, he's been playing for weeks, I never touched it. Picked up a controller, picked Abigail and beat his ass two rounds straight.
Anonymous No.724031691 [Report]
>>724031234
>which is funny because being tall is a disadvantage in a fight, there is a reason that every professional fighter is on the shorter side, being short height wise, especially if its from short legs, with long arms is the peak body ratio for hand to hand fighting
anon in sports heavier weights generally destroy lighter weights there's even a tactic in ufc to weigh less than one tier and then quickly get heavier to give themselves an advantage in the actual fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZ38KXyvME&t=55s
weapons does change things but that's still similar to the genetic skill cap
Anonymous No.724031705 [Report] >>724031857
>>724031290
Just accept it, that's an act of fate, why be mad? You'll be mad your whole life.
Anonymous No.724031857 [Report]
>>724031705
the only people that are mad are the people trying to deboonk me in the thread
Anonymous No.724031897 [Report] >>724043508
>>724019727
nta but fighting games, absent psychology, are about positioning yourself in a way that maximizes potential risk/reward. there is going to be a distance you want to be in relation to your opponent's character. universally this is the further side from the corner, subjectively this changes per-matchup. outside of a mirror, someone's buttons will have better range, frame data, or damage for a given position. you want to maintain the position where your buttons win and force an opponent to move away/towards you (respectively if you win up close/further away). if your opponent moves, they are leaving themselves open to a counter ie dashing into a fireball, jumping into a dp. if your opponent stays their ground, they cannot contest you and also lose. every frame one player attempts to regain their position is one where they are not blocking or throwing out an attack and are gambling you are not going to punish them.

universally, having the center is preferrable. you are able to backdash to trade space for information or to escape a bad situation. if you win close, you deny your opponent their best escape. if you win far, you have the most amount of space to maneuver to safety if your opponent looks like theyll get in.

>>724006515
this is a very good example of this. sagat knows he wins if he keeps chun out. after an initial exchange, sagat squarely takes center. sagat alternates between fireballs to force an engage, backdash to ensure safety, bait chun into taking space, and get chun to reveal how she will approach, and dp to punish once her pattern has been established.

proper reads in fighting games only come about once this flow is understood. this is what "fundamentals" is referring to and what other anons mean when they say play defensive, but playing defensive doesn't mean anything until you know what playing correctly looks like
Anonymous No.724032254 [Report] >>724032724
>>723986303
This dude is charismatic enough and he's still perma-locked below 1k viewers on twitch because he can't control his emotions and fragile ego.
Anonymous No.724032432 [Report] >>724032623 >>724035406
>>724031149
anon clearly didn't have fun with the highs and lows against his brother
>>724031535
yea but any other person that's 6 foot and has workout experience is automatically seen as superior
Anonymous No.724032527 [Report]
>>723994764
This but DSP
Anonymous No.724032623 [Report] >>724033272
>>724032432
>anon clearly didn't have fun with the highs and lows against his brother

>this would have never happened to me in 3rd Strike.
Sounds like he's already thinking about getting right back into a game and keep playing.
Anonymous No.724032724 [Report]
>>724032254
The 2019-2020 version of him could have been fucking huge if he wasn't so retarded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLujSMMlS-c&pp=ygUOTFRHIHdpbmdzIHJhbnQ%3D
Anonymous No.724032752 [Report]
im glad /v/ realized this was meant to be a stealth ltg thread
Anonymous No.724032878 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
Get better, faggot.
Anonymous No.724033272 [Report] >>724033471
>>724032623
even though the op made this as a joke, people generally get humiliated when they loose to someone seen as being lesser because they fought they were better than them
Anonymous No.724033471 [Report] >>724033827
>>724033272
Yep, and it gets them into the lab to figure out where they went so wrong
Anonymous No.724033486 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
EVERY NIGHT
Anonymous No.724033827 [Report] >>724034003
>>724033471
and then get humiliated again even worse then last time
Anonymous No.724033918 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
Most people don't put the training required to leave no option but getting anally violated by people with better genetics.

A. If you can predict your upper cap and know exactly when to quit before anal rape is the only option, good for you.
B. If getting to your upper cap isn't fun, and you're just getting anally violated, that's also a good reason to quit.
Anonymous No.724034003 [Report] >>724034225
>>724033827
Why?
Anonymous No.724034205 [Report] >>724034447
>>723997809
>>723998946
Mario chomped down onto Luigi's anal pustule. As the pus flooded out, he swallowed and said this would go nicely with Peach's fermented toenails or aged acidic diarrhea
Anonymous No.724034225 [Report] >>724034479
>>724034003
When you lose to the same or a different person seen as being even less skilled
Anonymous No.724034345 [Report]
>>723984880
>GoingToAlice
Anonymous No.724034447 [Report]
>>724034205
pure streamer kino
Anonymous No.724034479 [Report] >>724034579
>>724034225
Even worse than button mashing? What are they doing, slapping your controller?
Anonymous No.724034579 [Report] >>724034690
>>724034479
when you try to train against button mashing but it doesn't work anyway
Anonymous No.724034690 [Report] >>724034821
>>724034579
Well what did you train?
Anonymous No.724034821 [Report] >>724035006
>>724034690
you should ask op what did he train on to lose to his brother
Anonymous No.724035006 [Report] >>724035415
>>724034821
You seem to know nothing. Then you exclaim that you know that training means nothing. Then you want me to ask OP if he did anything.
Crazy that you sit in these threads pretending you've touched a fighting game.
Anonymous No.724035313 [Report]
>>723983085
I'm assuming it was intentional hence the khezu op
Anonymous No.724035406 [Report] >>724036283
>>724032432
Do you play fighting games for women's validation?
There's nothing in fighting games that's an obvious non-skill indicator like height, it isn't basketball.
I'm personally too lazy to lab combos or learn fighting game notation.
Anonymous No.724035415 [Report] >>724035934
>>724035006
you're mostly just seething over the fact that people have hard limits and that fighting games are more about having fun. Fun was the point back in the arcade days of sf2 but now fun is sometimes a side affect of if you are capable to git gud enough.
Anonymous No.724035934 [Report] >>724036164
>>724035415
>seething over the fact that people have hard limits
>Fun was the point back in the arcade days of sf2
>now fun is sometimes a side affect
You've never played sf2. Otherwise you would know how awful it was to play someone even competent at sf2. Healthbars might as well have been a suggestion.
You say I'm the one seething when I'm the one saying people still play these games to have fun, something I think you're just trolling about at this point.
Seriously, if you're so adamantly against getting gud, then stop posting in these threads and go back to movie games.
Here's a picture to signal the end of this overall confusing conversation.
Anonymous No.724036164 [Report] >>724036286
>>724035934
>You've never played sf2. Otherwise you would know how awful it was to play someone even competent at sf2
Yea i said fun was the point, not that they accomplished it well. the further the genre "developed" the more it became about being le best and le hardcore gamer culture. There's a reason why fighting fags despise it when they make any attempt to make fighting games more accessible
Anonymous No.724036283 [Report]
>>724035406
im saying there's genetics factor in everything even in fighting games
Anonymous No.724036286 [Report] >>724036504 >>724039293
>>724036164
You've never played sf2
You've never played a fighting game
Yet you sit in this thread
Anonymous No.724036504 [Report]
>>724036286
I have but since it's not 10k hours worth it means i basically haven't played them at all to most fgc standards
Anonymous No.724037045 [Report]
>>724025538
>You are born with a certain skill cap. No amount of practice will let you break through that.
Do you have a single clinical study to back that up?
Anonymous No.724038570 [Report] >>724041708
>>724030206
trying to get out of a corner is the least fun part of any fighting game
Anonymous No.724039293 [Report] >>724039626
>>724036286
If anyone even tries to play fighting games they get flamed by anyone with more experience than them
Anonymous No.724039626 [Report] >>724039927
>>724039293
Don't act like a dick, that easy
Anonymous No.724039734 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
that's what happens in an RPS simulator. sometimes you win the 50-50s, sometimes you lose. much of fighting games is artificial skill anyway like rote memorization of combos or setups as opposed to fluid decision making
Anonymous No.724039927 [Report] >>724040124
>>724039626
i don't
Anonymous No.724040069 [Report]
Happened to me when my friend brought his laptop with Street Fighter X Tekken installed for us to play. Told him I'm not into fighting games and never played those, he said it's not a big deal since we're going to play just fo fun.
Then he seethed when I beat him three times with Zangief by spamming random shit.
Anonymous No.724040102 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
>grew up beating little brother in Smash Bros.
>move away for college
>move back to home state
>he's a PR'd Melee player in his region, one of the best players in one of the most competitive states
>unbeatable in like 10 different fighting games
>despises and refuses to play the only game I can beat him in
Anonymous No.724040124 [Report] >>724041598
>>724039927
Then you're likely to get help
Anonymous No.724040285 [Report]
>>723989305
I lost to my sister on a tekken cabinet in Japan. I even picked Eddy to guarantee a mashing win and still jobbed. She doesn't give a fuck but I still think about it sometimes.
Anonymous No.724041598 [Report] >>724041894
>>724040124
>implying
Anonymous No.724041708 [Report]
>>724038570
says the guy in the corner
Anonymous No.724041839 [Report]
You can win most fighting game by just spamming attacks without thought. There is always a character with a strong move that 90% of players don't know how to counted
Anonymous No.724041894 [Report] >>724045061
>>724041598
Go back up to OP and read all the replies giving genuine advice
Anonymous No.724042441 [Report]
>>724031081
>your brain can learn abstract things anon
most people's brains, maybe
i think his might be "special"
Anonymous No.724042807 [Report]
>>724031081
i said that you can know things but that doesn't you're going to be able to apply them properly even if you practice for it. just because you know everything about street fighter 3 doesn't mean you're going to be even remotely close to the top
Anonymous No.724043508 [Report]
>>724031897
good analysis, but please don't take that clip of me clowning on that chun too literally.
i wasn't punishing shit. those DP aren't even invincible or anything, i was just letting them rip in neutral for the lulz. but yeah, the spacing stuff is real
Anonymous No.724043578 [Report]
>>723983019 (OP)
>this would have never happened to me in 3rd Strike
Is this an LTG meme?
Anonymous No.724045061 [Report] >>724045854
>>724041894
95% of the responses to this thread that didn't know it was a meme thread was shitting on op
Anonymous No.724045854 [Report]
I don't understand how you can lose to mindless monkeymashing if you actually know your game. Eventually they will do something punishable and you'll kill them. Or they'll do something that's just barely minus enough that if they press another thing, you'll still kill them.

>>724045061
i've seen this thread multiple times but i always respond earnestly anyway