Thread 724096138

I'm so tired of HUDs looking like this in every single game

It is absolutely crazy that I couldn't tell what game it was until I saw the filename, because the HUD looks EXACTLY THE SAME as every other game released in the last 5 years.

>>724096337
>5 years
make it 14 years. This is literally a Skyrim UI ripoff.

>>724096138 (OP)
I mean with a name like Phyre what did you expect?

Honestly the game is kind of growing on me. The combat obviously needs a much better block/parry that actually works, all you can do (far as I can tell) is just face tank it and hope you're healthy enough after a mid-fight drink. It's not an RPG at all, and that's gay. But as it's own thing, it really isn't that bad.

>>724097294
Skyrim was way, way worse in that it had less functionality. Not even having a paper doll is confusing to say the least.

>>724096138 (OP)
Baiting faggots and shills didn't mention this trash, I wouldn't even remember it still exists. I wouldn't play this trash for free, let alone buy it.

>>724096138 (OP)

What exactly makes them uncool in your eyes?

>>724098770
>Capitalized the w in white
Devs are chud enablers.

>>724098770
>Capitalized the w in white
Perhaps they deserve a chance.

no one is playing this slop
stop making threads

>>724100604
I'm playing it. I'm on the fence about it, it's shit as a Bloodlines 2, but isn't bad if they had called it something else and went in with a blank slate. People are getting a little carried away.

>>724100769
Kill yourself faggot.

>>724100769
or you just like woke slop

>>724100769
Kinda my opinion too. But I hate that you can't play non lethal and stealthy. If you could do that, I would give it a solid 6.5/10. But currently it's a 5/10 for me.

>>724100769
It's better than Bloodlines 1. People are just being defensive about their nostalgia. If you played the cut original release with no patches you'd know. I did. It was ass. At least the new game didn't crash on me the first playthrough. Not saying it's greatest shit ever. But it's not even a bit worse than the 2004 Bloodlines.

>>724101297
you know you lost when you roll out the it doesn't crash defense

>>724101297
concord didn't crash

>>724100989
If I were (you) I would lmao

>>724101012
No, it just isn't particularly woke, see >>724098770. It does take place in Seattle, and so you see a depiction of Seattle anarch types, but there are people here who just act like gay faggots about everything and think everything is woke now. Woke shit is a real problem, but you make it impossible to discuss when you do this shit.

>>724101117
The stealth thing really bugs me because the combat is so bad against multiple opponents that at first it seemed like it wanted me to be stealthy, but then it just makes that impossible in several places.

>>724101297
It's definitely not better than Bloodlines 1, nobody will be talking about this game or the characters in it twenty years later. I played the original before anyone heard of wesp5, the fanfic patch has been mythologized way out of proportion. I don't think Bloodlines 2 is just irredeemably bad the way people are memeing, but lets not be gay about it and be retards the other way.

>>724101558
>No, it just isn't particularly woke
>>724101076

>>724096138 (OP)
I forgot this released lol

>>724101502
>concord
nice try, zoomer

>>724101643
>Woke shit is a real problem, but you make it impossible to discuss when you do this shit.
You don't even know what it is.

>>724101297
>It's better than Bloodlines 1. People are just being defensive about their nostalgia
You're right, I shouldn't be so defensive about my nostalgia. I should be open to new experiences. So explain to me why I should play Bloodlines 2 instead of literally any other WRPG or imsim ever created.

>>724101801
Take a good long look at the picture.

>>724101835
I've seen it before. I could stare at it for another twenty years and you'd still be a retard regurgitating words and terms he half understands because he saw a meme.

>>724098770
>Town I grew up in is surrounded by other towns with large Asian populations, but mine has virtually none
>Always wondered why that was
>Find out we had an outright pogrom in the late 1800s
I guess it worked.

>>724101808
>So explain to me why I should play Bloodlines 2 instead of literally any other WRPG or imsim ever created.
NTA, but it's not really an RPG or imsim, so if you're looking for that I wouldn't bother. It's really only if you're a fan of the setting. It's not anywhere as good as VTMB or Redemption, but probably the best thing we've gotten in a lot of years. Certainly better than the shitty fanfic """games""" they've been releasing before this.

>>724101884
right because the non-retards are like you who buy and love that woke slop ya ok lmao

>>724101994
>it's not really an RPG or imsim
OK so what is it then? It's clearly not an action game because it's too stiff and clunky (based on videos) to be one. It's clearly not a stealth game because most of the videos show the main character punching baddies, very clunkily, to death. So what is it?

>>724101808
>So explain to me why I should play Bloodlines 2 instead of literally any other WRPG or imsim ever created.
You shouldn't. Replay VTMR instead.

>>724102046
No, the non-retards are like me and use words correctly, while the retards are like you and think words are magic spells where you can speak them and somehow change the characteristics of the world around you. "If only I say 'woke' fifty more times, it'll be true!"

You're a faggot, and you and people like you have done a lot of heavy lifting to make it impossible to talk about actual woke shit in gaming and have it taken seriously.

>>724102171
I don't know. If I had to label it, I guess it's closer to an adventure/walking sim thing like Life is Strange or The Wolf Among Us, it has more action/gameplay than those but that still feels like the core of it. Action walking sim? I don't know. It's definitely not an RPG or Immersive Sim though, it's not even in the same ballpark. Even the paltry disciplines they included aren't true choices/builds because you can easily just buy them all.

>>724096138 (OP)
that is one of the problems with it, yes

but whoever thought that roleplaying as a vampire is mostly running around and punching people in first person.. well... I'm actually at a loss of words

the sooner this shit is buried and forgotten the better for everyone

>>724101808
>So explain to me why I should play Bloodlines 2 instead of literally any other WRPG or imsim ever created.
Didn't you hear him anon? it doesn't crash so jump into the great gender neutral Phyre character and explore Seattle's dark past of running the stupid chinese out of town.

>>724102348
But you do see why people are hating on this, no? Apparently this game appeals ONLY to people who like the setting of VtM but none of the mechanics of VtM. It can't be marketed on its gameplay, it can't be marketed on its story (because all of the trailers sound like garbage written by junior year film school students), it can only be marketed on setting, which, if you strip all the nuance of the TTRPG, is just generic le vampire slop.

>>724102348
>and you and people like you have done a lot of heavy lifting to make it impossible to talk about actual woke shit in gaming and have it taken seriously.
Or maybe you really like woke slop by hack nu devs like vtmb2 and you come up with mental gymnastics to explain to yourself why it actually isn't what it is.

>>724102673
>But you do see why people are hating on this, no?
To some degree, but these things become memes and you get people doing a sort of retard's purity spiral over it, they gas each other up and they compete for attention and before you know it the game is the worst thing ever made instead of just a non-sequel and kind of mediocre. It's a 7/10 game if you really like the setting, probably a 3/10 for anyone else. People here have no nuance or critical thinking, and they can't understand the gulf between "this game isn't the worst game ever made" and "holy cow 11/10 I love it perfect everything is good nothing is bad!", it's like talking to twelve year olds.

>>724101857
>ex-Bioware
not content destroying Dragon Age and Mass effect, they had to ruin the legacy of another great RPG.

>>724102908
>or maybe [buzzwords learned on 4chins]
The leading theory is still that you're a retarded faggot, sorry. "Is that an optional female character where the most butch hair style possible was selected by the player!?!?!? holy woke!", it's just tiresome and gay. Woke is when you have dragon age troons opening conversations with how trooned they are, I haven't seen anything like that in this game at all, you faggots see woke under your bed at night.

>>724102965
>People here have no nuance or critical thinking, and they can't understand the gulf between "this game isn't the worst game ever made" and "holy cow 11/10 I love it perfect everything is good nothing is bad!", it's like talking to twelve year olds.

Well yeah, that's just twitter, and all the retards who decided that they wanted to become a 4channer because they saw a le ebin screenshot on twitter. They literally can't comprehend a thought that doesn't fit into 140 characters.

>>724103148
Phyre reveal looks the way it does for a reason.

>>724102965
Maybe people just expect a sequel to a game made 21 years ago by a studio twice the size, made over a period over twice as long with 10x the budget made on a well known engine that's been out for years as opposed to a brand new engine that nobody knew how to use yet to be as good if not better than the original? Isn't that fucking crazy?

>>724102965
it's not a bad game just a bad BLANK game reddit defense. literally see that for every fucking bad sequel

>>724103257
Not to be that guy, but things don't scale like that. A core strenght of old games were small teams. Such places have better communication within the team and similar vision.

Frankly the only place which could still make games of such quality would maybe be indies. Although most indies seem way too disorganized to tackle big projects

>>724103240
I'm sure it's a huge conspiracy you've been educated on by various web comics and memes.

>>724103257
I don't know how many ways there are to say "it sucks ass as a sequel". The sequence of events here is me saying it isn't a good sequel, it isn't an RPG, and really isn't even a great game on its own, but isn't the worst thing in the world if you like the setting, and somehow that undergoes a transformation in the /v/groe brain and becomes an impassioned defense of my all time favorite 20/10 game, Bloodlines 2.

>>724098456
Yeah that name immediately annoys me, and I'm not even sure why.

>>724103530
>I'm sure it's a huge conspiracy you've been educated on by various web comics and memes.
No, it just represents the devs who made it.

>>724103725
it screams hack writers

>>724103725
>and I'm not even sure why
Because it's dumb, it sounds like an xbox live account, and not a 14th century person's name. Even TCR seemed to think it was dumb because they hardly ever use it, its always 'the nomad', but they didn't cut it entirely. Maybe it was too late in production when they finally realized how dumb it sounds. Probably one dumbass in slack chat pushing for it and nobody would call it out.

>>724103007
>Dragon Age
>great
The only great thing about it was when you execute your sidekick and make the bad guy your father in law

>>724103530
I think liking the setting only makes me hate this game all the more
>vampires don't turn into ash, implying that throughout all of human history no vampire corpse has ever been found and autopsied
>clan means nothing, you can take any discipline from any clan, wut
>every vampire apparently has a gorillion ghouls
>anarchs sending their gorillions of ghouls to die for their vampire masters en masse, ANARCHS
>telekinesis, for everyone
game sucks ass shill

>>724104038
Loghain did nothing wrong

>>724104162
>shill
Begging brown /v/ anons to learn a new word.

Most of your complaints are fine, but I don't think telekinesis is for everyone, Malkavian Silverhand treats it like a weird thing when he first sees it, and I haven't seen anyone else use it yet. But pretty much the only thing going on in the WoD space has been fanfic reading simulators, so that's the competition if you're looking for some kind of WoD space to walk around in.

>>724104668
pathetic shill

>>724104882
>this game is kind of mediocre and a shitty sequel, but I like WoD
>"omg shill shill its a shill shilling shilly shillzers!"
This board is a fucking ruin.

>>724104668
I hope your pay is retroactively docked.
You honestly fucking deserve it.

>>724105045
Begone back to red*it shill I'm sure there's a lot of "I just love being back in WoD" and "remember vtmb1 had bugs?" posts you can upvote.

>>724096138 (OP)
I FUCKING HATE THAT PIECE OF SHIT HUD BEING IN EVERY FUCKING GAME

>>724105131
>>724105161
These retards will now keep the tab open and repeat their word fifty times, making the board basically unusable. This is fine, but posting a picture of a video game character's ass is a five alarm fire.

The gameplay is just terrible. You can't really commit to full stealth because you don't have a big or interesting enough toolkit to make it worth sneaking around so slowly. But the combat fucking sucks too because no thought was put into it and there are no mechanics to it so you just punch and feed and punch and feed and heavy punch and feed and use an ability then feed then punch again. I can tolerate bad gameplay though. What about the story and characters? Well all the goth bitches have been certified DEI sloppafied, and everything else is straight out of Veilguard but with an ugly UE5 coat of paint. Side note because this really triggers my autism. How is lip sync worse than the first game? Seriously dude?

Trust me I'd love nothing more than to like this game regardless of how big of a piece of shit it is. But it's so bad. It has no potential for long term appeal with patches or mods either because the world is fucking empty. You'd have to build a whole new game within this game just to make it salvageable. Fuck man.

>>724105508
I think the combat and facial animations are actually worse than VTMB somehow.

>>724103725
When you wake up for the first time and you tell Fabien to call you Phyre, look at the shitty garage rock band posters on the wall. The nomad literally just took the first thing he saw and went "sure, fuck it"

>>724105624
I'm not sure about combat, some of the body animations in vtmb2 actually aren't terrible. But the facial animations are 100% worse

>>724098770
Why do modern white people hate their own race so much?

>>724105932
Long-nose propaganda.

Posting this here, spoilers, if anyone cares about this shitty game.

Just finished this shitty game. Got the anarchy ending, despite not once siding with that retard Katsumi. Apparently if you don't send the SI against anarchs, you aren't able to get the prince ending. Anarch ending overwrote the Lou ending, for whatever reason. Guess they put checks for that ending, where you can't state you want to be prince, especially not to Lou, so Anarch is the "failsafe" ending.

1/5. Pretty bad game. No roleplaying, terrible NPCs, extremely linear, boring combat and bad writing. The constant forcing of some "love" between Phyre and Safia was cringe. I constantly went against her, yet my character supposedly cared about that retard. Modern writers should be executed on sight.

>>724096138 (OP)
If you look at the clothing options, they are clearly modeled for a female. The original protagonist was supposed to be some androgynous monstrosity, which is why the "male" has such small hands, narrow shoulders and wide hips.

>>724105508
Banu Haqim can do stealth pretty well, but you'll regret choosing them as soon as you get into an actual fight. Thats assuming you actually commit to playing one and ignore all the weird cross clan bullshit.

The pajeet shilling this shit has some really obvious writing style mistakes he doesn't get. Anyway any mention of what happened to the original Bloodlines 2 protag?

>>724103530
>but isn't the worst thing in the world if you like the setting
Of V5. If you like any other part of Vampire you're shit out of luck.

>>724103725
VAM.
PHYRE.

>>724100769
I think I would rather play Veilguard again than this

If this was called Vampire the Masquerade: Unchained or smth it would be an inoffensive 4/10 game which is still better than most of the VtM slop we’ve got so far. But the fact that they had to link their faggy slop to Bloodlines and wear it like a skinsuit and pretend they liked it is honestly disgusting and feels like digital rape. When they referenced VTMB memes like the stop sign, etc.

At least there are 2 silver linings here
>all the cringe tourist faggots and secondaries (e.g outstar) will move on to BL2 and leave VTMB alone so we won’t have to suffer their wojak shit and newfag takes
>the game was such a colossal flop that it probably killed any interest in remastering the original bloodlines a la gta trilogy with ruined lighting, pajeet coding and AI upscaling.

I'm so close to dropping this, the Fabien parts are so fucking boring and uninteresting, holy shit.
This game is really worse than Veilguard and Avowed.

I'm too much of a brainlet to figure it out myself, who was the rebar killer of the 2020s?

>>724104162
>>clan means nothing, you can take any discipline from any clan, wut
VTM has always been like this.
>telekinesis, for everyone
Files seem to imply it was originally a thinblood alchemical you had drunk. You will remember of course that the player had TK in the hardsuit labs version as well. Also the ability to float. A lot of things in this game come from its cancelled version.

>>724105508
>But the combat fucking sucks too because no thought was put into it and there are no mechanics to it so you just punch and feed and punch and feed and heavy punch and feed and use an ability then feed then punch again.
This is super wrong. The game has all sorts of mechanics like parrying and seven different types of kick.

For whatever reason the game kinda just expects you to read the codex and never mentions this during gameplay. So there are a bunch of people like you floundering because you have no idea how to parry attacks or use sweep kicks to drive back groups of enemies.

>>724110417
VTMB2 is going to sell way bigger numbers than 1 ever did over the next six months so it will become the defacto "Bloodlines".

Bloodlines fans were always secondaries anyway.

>>724111102
Nobody knows. Fabien realizes it doesn't make sense. There are a few tragic possibilities including the killer being Fabien himself going skitzo because of all the memory wipes. It's a deliberate mystery though.

>>724111809
Thank you. I thought I had missed some crucial details near the end regarding who it might be.

The more I think about it, the more I think that Safia was originally an imposter, and during dev they switched it around so she was the real Safia, presumably when Fabien was added as co-protag and they needed to somehow tie everything together. Honestly, this kind of gets confusing the more you think about it and listen to the dialogue. The big reveal from Safia is odd. The game files refer to Safia as Cemile. The game files refer to the body Phyre finds as "Safia Mummified".

I believe the original twist was: a vampire named Cemile took the place of the real Safia around the time Phyre was marked. The body of the real Safia is stashed as insurance for later. This was then changed to the slightly odd: Safia modified a fledgling to create a fake corpse for Phyre to find, throwing everyone off her scent. Again, though, this corpse is called Safia Mummified in the files. At least, that's how I understand VTMB2's finale.

The entire emotional arc of the story in the final version with Fabien doesn't work if she's not the real Safia. But the whole thing screams to me "She was not originally the real Safia." Thing is, though, we know that all these flashback scenes with Safia were added very late. Because thinblood Fabien had no relation to the 1920s.

>>724111067
Not a walking sim fan I take it? These devs invented the genre, and the Fabien sequences are really them in their natural element for better or worse.

Hey so the game actually lets you sneak past enemies in some cases but they set the "enemies nearby" distance way too high. If they fixed that, I think stealthy playstyles would be a lot more doable.

>>724112670
To explain, take the anarch bar. If you draw them away from the door, you can sneak in. But the game expects them MUCH further from the door than most would find reasonable.

Is there anything good in the game that makes it worth to at least pirate it?

>>724112990
Good writing.
Good music.
Combat is good, if poorly explained.
It's basically, on the whole, the best vampire game ever made. You could say "but it feels unfinished". Yea, well, what else is new?

https://youtu.be/VdWGtVAIwmc?si=NMpAhjQW1AAqskLE

>>724105932
Socialism, people tend to forget the commies started with killing off millions of their own.

>>724113156
Is the 1st person combat better than CP77's?

Do they have special snow in Seattle? The one that doesn't melt?

>>724096138 (OP)
Phyre is a literal canonical retard

>>724113156
>Good writing.
Wrong.
>Good music.
Wrong again. 1/4 of all tracks is maybe ok, wouldn't call that good.

>>724112990
It's like 25 gigs man just pirate it. It's...amusing. I wouldn't call it good.

>>724113156
>good writing
It has moments, ,but on the whole its sloppy at best. Also whoever wrote Tolly needs to get staked

>>724113156
I think the writing is good, but people can't separate writing from presentation. The music isn't good or bad so far. The combat sucks dick once it's constant unborn swarms or everyone has automatic weapons.

>>724113356
he's trolling, it's dogshit in every way

>>724096138 (OP)
Ironically it's the only outfit that looks even remotely decent on the female vamphyre. God the art direction is so ass.

>>724112082
I don't mind walking sims when they have something interesting going on and my standards are really not that high. I even managed to get some enjoyment out of trash like Life is strage true colors. Phyre has at least some kind of gameplay so it doesn't matter that much if the story is meh, at least I kinda do want to know more about the nomad and what is up with that mark. But the Fabien parts just puts me to sleep, I don't care about anything that happens there,
I really hope there aren't anymore of them I barely managed to chew through the second sequence, I don't think I can handle another.

The first major patch is coming next week with bug fixes, performance impovements, and maaybe beards.

is this the refuge thread from the last one getting archived?

>>724098770
>capital W White

This must've been a protest by a chud working on the game.

>>724114343
Maybe, all we need to do is believe. That's how the consensus works

oh fuck off, you really get everyone ass raped by not embracing the stupid hunter

>>724115351
Yup pretty much. Possibly the most immersion breaking moments in both this and Night Road are the SI spooks

>>724098770
>which were begun by
SAAAAAAAR DO NOT REDEEM DO NOT REDEEM

>>724115351
>>724115390
idk what this is about but i thoght hunters can't be embraced

>>724105932
It's a bongistani game, they can't go two sentences without vilification.

>>724115560
Reckoning PC Hunters are a subcategory called Imbued Hunters which actually have superpowers, but imbued no longer exist in V5 so Hunters are free game to be embraced. Though I imagine usually embracing a hunter is a terrible idea without bloodbonding since they'll try to kill you or kill themselves or worse go total masquerade death

>>724115390
its not just those games but v5 in general, i mean they nuked the vienna chantry for fuck's sake with zero repercussions

>>724111102
It’s Fabien. He organized the 2020s killing specifically to remind himself of the original 1920s rebar killing clues and modeled them after those. It’s because he kept getting his memory wiped so it was his way to setup a trail so he could organically re-deduce the whole thing again

>>724115815
Yeah V5 is a bit absurd with the metaplots, like everyone moderately bad fucking off to the middle east
>>724116189
I feel like the memory-wiped Malkavian bit was done by Swansong already

>>724115560
It's a bad idea. Why would you give the guy trying to pull TVD superpowers? You technically made your enemy stronger

>>724115560
There are different kind of hunters. You have your average schizo conspiratard /x/ user who acts alone. Then you have religious hunters like the society of Leopold, who are a secret organization funded by the Vatican and answering directly to the pope. Their elite members have achieved a level of religious enlightenment called True Faith where they are able to resist certain vampire abilities (including embrace). And then you have the IAO which is just government glowies hunting vamps.

The hunters you face in Bloodlines 2 are the third category. They’re a governement agency and they don’t have True Faith or anything that sets them apart from regular humans (except training and equipment) so they can be embraced

>>724112013
She has an errant line of dialogue that she's no longer Safia, and there's text that implies she used the same type of thaumaturgical Diablerie to become more powerful than she was and hop bodies.

>>724105624
They are. Combat has less variety thanks to non carryable weapons therefore you lack any kind of progress in fight which is tragically since you already have to endure a gimped down elder vampire which skills are those of a fledgeling.the expressions on the NPCs lack emotions aswell but please understand, fist time not making a 100 % corridor simulator. People rating this shit Abo 3 5 or better than the original are either insane or lying shills.

>>724098770
these fucking developers are so ignorant they don't even realize that this coincided with relationship struggles with the Qing dynasty

these faggots take one black and white look at everything

>>724096138 (OP)
Well you made him uncool. He should have ginger hair, blue eyes and the shades so he's more like Cassidy from The Preacher.

>>724114062
You don't seem to understand that peoe critizing the writing might have a better idea how the in universe shit should work, like for example diablerizing a lesser Gen cam, hierarchy under the tremere pyramid or generally how elder vampires behave. The writers didn't knew shit about it so it's only fair to critize retarded writing when it's in front of you.

>>724115351
They should add a third option where you walk away. Baker is likely to be disappointed, but she still wants to be a vampire, so leading the IAO away from Seattle in the hopes of currying favor with the camarilla would be in her best interests.

There are a bunch of quests in the game where adding a second option or adding a third option would do so much.

>>724117134
>You don't seem to understand that peoe critizing the writing might have a better idea how the in universe shit should work, like for example diablerizing a lesser Gen cam, hierarchy under the tremere pyramid or generally how elder vampires behave.
If we take Swansong as the reference for how VTM is meant to be written, VTMB2 seems fairly on point. What do elders act like? What do Primogen act like? Well, Swansong shows they act like autistic children.

>>724101857
Given that Bloodlines 2 is going to sell more copies in 2 weeks than Bloodlines 1 sold in its lifetime, is he really wrong?

>>724112013
also the fact that we never know who's the copycat killer is weird plothole

>>724117871
They don't confirm it on purpose, but it's very likely Fabien or someone Fabien hired. Basically, in a previous loop, Fabien figured out he was going to have his memories wiped, so fucked with Pandora's mind and arranged to have her dropped off. Not clear if he murdered her or not, but the goal was to get himself back on track.

That's my understanding anyway.

>>724117581
>take Swansong a reference for how VtM is meant to be written
Would be better and more accurate to take Bloodlines 1 as a reference and even then a lot of loretist anons have select problems

>>724118123
you can says "the murders never existed", "it was me" or "it was safia", but it's not like they show how that worked, there isn't a flashback or something that shows how fabian would have committed those murders, there aren't any strange unresolved threads about those murders that suddenly make sense when you find out it's fabian, seems like something they added at the end of development because they couldn't find a suitable candidate

>>724118642
Swansong was co-written by one of the architects of v5, so it is absurdly faithful to the tabletop. It even says Camarilla the right way. (Cam-a-ree-a).

Bloodlines 1 is completely out of sync with the tabletop now. A huge amount of stuff has changed for better or worse.

>>724117760
Got some numbers, shill?

>>724119568
>the tabletop now
No one in their right minds cares about what White Wolf does /now/

>>724119568
>Swansong was co-written by one of the architects of v5
Not just anyone, literally Matthew Dawkins, creator of Rudi. There's nothing really "woke" in Swansong, though.

>>724119790
You can't just pretend the source material doesn't exist because you don't like what it has become. (I do not care for the second inquisition.)

>>724112013
The funniest thing to me is that Safia isn't being nuked by the Tremere blood ritual the second she steps out of line and violates the Masquerade with the whole storming the tower thing. It's literally the worst clan to betray and they just went with it.

>>724118662
It's pretty obvious that it's Fabian. All of the copy cat killings have witnesses with wiped minds, he tampers with evidence "on accident" at all of them, and the one at the mechanic shop has one of the cops comment that he's been here before. Tolly also alludes to it being him during the memory elixir segment.

>>724120092
>You can't just pretend the source material doesn't exist
Play older editions, don't buy 5th ed slop

>>724120343
In v5 the Tremere are so fractured they can't just cobble together reasons to keep the status quo for them. The only remaining member of the Inner Circle is Merlinda, and it's heavily implied that she's defected to House Goratrix to try and keep a closer eye on them while Tremere is absent.

>>724096138 (OP)
That's bloodlines? Why does it have a UI found in every assetflip scam games? lmao

>>724120745
it really is not, there are no callbacks

>All of the copy cat killings have witnesses with wiped minds
not all of them, but maybe you don't remember that the ones that had their memory wiped from the biker killings turns out to be misty

>>724120867
modern devs hate designing cool UIs and ppl still buy their games anyways

>>724120769
20th edition's lore was equally retarded avengers-tier shit, so how old are we talking here? Don't say Revised either, because that was signature character comic book wankery of the highest order, to the point that they publicly admitted it after the ToJ shitfest.

>>724120745
>Tolly also alludes to it being him during the memory elixir segment.
If you read tollys mind he tells you willhelm

>>724120932
* turns out to have been wiped by misty

>>724121018
>>724121082
Oh my mistake then.

>>724098770
>unemployed workers

>>724117581
Why are they even differintiated between elder or primogen if this doesn't matter because of plot armor or senseless writing. Safina is from of the primo gem and we get as a excuse *yeah well, grandma doesn't like to teach safian for whatever reason, lol, don't think about it nomad*.
>faithful to swansong
Lmao, I don't care about a nuinterpretation of gaympire if there's bloodlines in the name. Bloodlines in game matter not which is the biggest crime of the game. Why not call it Swanson 2 then faggot? We both know, it would sell even less than this hot turd.

>>724119568
>v5

>>724121608
Yeah because there wasn't an entire book about Auswichz before v5.

another unresolved plothole, who is the guy with the voice changer that communicates with willelm, benny and ysabella

>>724121826
Safia

>>724121687
Was it just as gay as this?

>>724121952
It was actually great

>>724121952
I know you're just some secondary who never played the TTRPG, but an entire $60 supplement that was a sensationalized version of the holocaust being so "evil" that it spawned an entire undead kingdom of suffering in the afterlife full of "super special Wraiths" and caused another Maelstrom that re-wrote the metaplot for every single line will forever be the most libtard lefty brainrotten shit.

>>724122091
Evil jewish wraiths?

>>724122091
I never played the TTRPG, you're right. What you described there sounds a lot cooler than this.

>>724122281
Literally a "massive' group of "six million or more" Wraiths flooded the afterlife and kvetched their way into establishing their own kingdom specifically for them after they were "neglected and mistreated" by the other dead powers that be. These Kingdoms tend to be for entire continents or very large cultures normally.

>>724122397
Obvious considering Vtm has pioneered this shit since day 1. 1e even says the Camarilla is meant to symbolize draconian fascism and by playing against it players can come to understand evil. Lines and Veils and all this other shit has been a constant since 2010, and is also in 20th and other reprints, but I guess we'll pretend it's a big deal cause a shit kickers on /v/ think so.

>>724122719
>Obvious
If it's so obvious why don't you try to post some evidence? I posted evidence of Rudi, his gang, in-game trigger warnings and in-game political messaging about how to not be too politically incorrect. If it's always been like this it'd be easy to provide some equivalent examples. And no I won't take you at your word, post pics.

>>724121608
>I don't like it because it says nazis are bad

>>724123027
I don't like it cause it's a bunch of hipster fags talking like fags.
Why can't you hate Nazis without being a lame faggot?

>>724122974
Someone already posted the book, dumbass >>724122089
This single fucking book is so loaded with fake performative lefty-sympathizing propaganda I need nothing else.

>>724123086
What's wrong with being a "hipster fag", anon? Why does it bother you so much?

>>724123113
Post actual quotes that you consider to be an equivalent to what I've been posting.

>>724123168
Nah. I literally do not care to go book diving. You're never going to play VtM, you'll never be at one of my tables, you don't know what you're talking about in any case, and you'll just repost the same shit anyway. Jump through your own hoops juden.

>>724123145
It's an obnoxious personality desu. It'd be fine if the narrative was self-aware, but it's clearly trying to portray these people as morally righteous cool rebels, which they aren't.
>>724123256
>Nah. I literally do not care to go book diving.
Well cause you can't. Your entire argument is bunk.

>>724123301
OK.

>>724123301
So between defending nazis and enabling an "obnoxious personality", you'd rather defend nazis?
Do you see why that might ironically lead to exactly the kind of obnoxious resistance you're so miffed about?
You're in your own way, anon.

>>724123467
When did I defend nazis?

>>724098770
Why are whities so racist and fragile

>>724123525
It could be argued that by saying that the people opposing nazis are "obnoxious" (and therefore that they should stop), you are by proxy saying it would be more desirable for nazis to go unopposed, rather than be opposed by people you find "obnoxious".
It's about your priorities, anon.
Is righteous antifa self-fellating kinda cringe? Yeah, it is. But does that make them wrong? And does that mean that calling them fags is a mature response? Does it actually bring you close to what you want, which is to both have no nazis but also no guys getting all obnoxious aboutit? I'll let you work that out by yourself.

goth vampire shit isn't allowed to be cool anymore. It's supposed to be "inclusive", which is to say it's filled with really bland normal looking people, and nothing is sexy.

>>724123697
I don't have to like lame faggots just by proxy of them disliking some other group. The fuck type of logic is that?

>>724123773
Social psychology, anon. The people you describe as "lame faggots" end up that way because they feel ostracized and want to fight back.
So if you truly want to both not have nazis and not have people super obnoxious who "sound like fags", you're in your own way.

>>724123697
They are wrong. Antifa thinks anyone who isn't a communist is "fascist", and they're justified in using violence against them.
What is that if not a wrong perspective?

>>724123867
ironically modern day "nazis" probably end up that way because they feel ostracized. Also because Israel doing what it does but that's besides the point

>>724123867
>The people you describe as "lame faggots" end up that way because they feel ostracized and want to fight back.
Bro, this isn't your therapy session. When you create a product that you want to sell, you need to make it appealing to your audience.

>>724121224
>Safina is from of the primo gem and we get as a excuse *yeah well, grandma doesn't like to teach safian for whatever reason, lol, don't think about it nomad*.
If you look in the files, I think Safia was originally a different character, a much older character, who who killed the real Safia and took her place.
>>724112013

This line always struck me as weird. I think that originally it referred to how the fledgling (Safia) was replaced by the elder (Cemile), and it worked because they looked close enough, modification made it perfect, and there was no chantry in Seattle to keep an eye on her.

The fact Safia is not a clan trainer would in theory make sense if she was not actually the Tremere researcher she claims to be.

>>724123921
Can you not see why they would think that when you're out there calling them slurs and trying to shame them into silence, anon? Their actions are a direct result of yours: it's them saying "no".

>>724121608
Swansong was cowritten by the guy who created Rudi. It has a fantastic story with interesting characters.

>>724123935
Both sides of the political extreme are made up of lonely losers, this is not news, yes.

>>724123938
I find it weird that you as the "audience" have a problem with people being antifascist. Are you therefore saying that you'll only buy media that doesn't address social issues?
What are you afraid of?

>>724123935
Very much so. I was very much a race-blind and sex-blind liberal who would get offended on other people's behalf if I heard anything racist or sexist, right up until the point everyone started attacking me.
I'm not even a "Nazi" now. I just know that these people all think I am.
>>724123986
>the definition of fascism is saying slurs on the internet, and being a bit rude
It's really not

>>724124018
Never played it but it was a megaflop, correct?
>>724124049
>I find it weird that you as the "audience" have a problem with people being antifascist.
I have a problem with people being extremely faggy urbanite hipsters and the entire narrative sucking them off.
>Are you therefore saying that you'll only buy media that doesn't address social issues?
Is your entire tactic here to do these non-sequiturs or something? VTMB addressed social issues and I liked it. You know why? The main characters were not lame faggots.

>>724124146
>Never played it but it was a megaflop, correct?
Like all VTM videogames, yes.
>VTMB addressed social issues and I liked it.
Such as?

>>724124018
Sell me on Swansong bros, I do want to play it though I feel as if a lot of the twists and cool moments have been sort of ruined for me I know the Mother woman is a malkavian

>>724124220
>Like all VTM videogames, yes.
I'm sure VTMB has made a profit by now.
>Such as?
Nihilist fags spreading plagues.

>>724124132
I'm not saying that makes you a fascist, just an enabler. You'd rather preserve the status quo than accept the change these people want to bring. Do you disagree that they're right to have a problem with the status quo?

>>724124146
>I have a problem with people being extremely faggy urbanite hipsters
Why? Why are the social issues previously tackled by VTMB cool, but all of a sudden when "lame faggots" do it, you dislike it? Is it just aesthetics?

>>724124256
Just get Night Road. It's the only good VtM "game" that's actually faithful to the source material and it's as close to playing a real RPG we've gotten since BL1.

>>724124220
>>724124146
From how I here /tg/ anons and /v/ anons occasionally glazing Swansong I figure it only flopped because it got 0 marketing budget and because it lived in the shadows of bloodlines 1 and 2

>>724124325
They can feel whatever they want to feel. I still want freedom to say words if I feel like it, and to live my life without them in it (or their taxes).

>>724124326
Already played that one and his other Werewolf game holy fuck is that one long . I would hope he makes a mage game or another WoD game MAGE but he seems to be producing a game only once every 3-ish years

>>724124325
>Why? Why are the social issues previously tackled by VTMB cool, but all of a sudden when "lame faggots" do it, you dislike it?
Cause it was better written, more mature, funnier, less preachy and more subtle.
Also I never said the social issues themselves were cool, just that these modern characters are faggots. Are you ESL or something?

>>724124329
the quality of a VtM game doesn't matter, it will always be over budget and always undersell, the IP is cursed as a vidya product

They don't really, they just often get bored with being white, often wishing they were Black or Asian instead.

>>724124439
yeah I'd also say the main difference between a blatantly leftist but enjoyable game like 1 and an obnoxiously leftist game like Bloodlines 2 is how much I'm getting preached too and the subtlety of the message

>>724124396
So you want the freedom to say words that make others feel bad? That, to you, is worth more than an individual's right to fight back against you for that reason? Do you see how that's inherently selfish (which is fine) and short-sighted (which is retarded)? As long as you keep saying slurs, there will always be people who don't want you to, because it inherently makes them feel bad and they therefore want you to stop. So you're creating your own problem.

>>724124439
Oh the writing in VTMB2 sucks don't get me wrong, I agree with you there.
But what's wrong with being a faggot, anon?

>>724124406
>Werewolf game
I bought that but haven't played it yet, how does it compare quality-wise? I've beaten Night Road 5-6 times and love it every time.

>I would hope he makes a mage game or another WoD game
He's working on something for WW atm but hasn't said what.

I expected a knock-off Dishonored but it's somehow so much worse.
>Atmosphere is pathetic and the entire city feels dead, NPCs are lifeless automatons who repeat the same ~5 dialogue lines/actions
>Music is bland
>New Deb sucks
>Map gives you literally no reason to explore
>Having to farm Resonance to unlock abilities becomes boring after 5 minutes
>Enemies use literally 3 skins
>Combat is completely and utterly broken by the large characters/bosses who, despite being Ghouls, can tank multiple major hits including being stabbed through the fucking heart
>In turn you, the 400+ year old Elder, feel weak as fuck (Yes I know there's a Mcguffin power limiter; it's fucking retarded)
>Literally everything about Fabien; he sucks ass; it's obvious TCR thought the flashbacks were cool as fuck when in reality they are a tedious waste of time that removes the only remotely fun part of the game; combat
>UE5 makes the entire experience unenjoyable because TCR clearly don't know fuck all about making real games so it's unoptimized and runs like utter dogshit
>You were obviously meant to play BH because they have the most well rounded/powerful abilities while other clans have completely copy-pasted abilities with different effects
>Most outfits are ugly as sin, and you better not play a male character because you just get female designed outfits 1:1 that make you look like a cross dressing queer
>Hair/Face options are insanely underwhelming
>Story is utterly bland, not even remotely interesting and I just don't even care
>Masquerade system is laughable, especially with the invisible helicopter/sirens following you around
>Sidequests involve murdering citizens and retrieving packages as THE FUCKING SHERIFF

I don't even care if it's not a Bloodlines sequel. It's just a shitty ass walking simulator disguised as a game. Fuck Paradox and fuck TCR
Oh btw here's your kickass Brujah primogen. The literal first words out of his mouth are, "I fucked a dude once"

>>724124329
Literally the first time I've heard of that game.
Why didn't they advertise it?

>>724124560
>But what's wrong with being a faggot, anon?
It's repulsive to me personally.

I shit on the Sheriff.

>>724124560
>So you want the freedom to say words that make others feel bad? That, to you, is worth more than an individual's right to fight back against you for that reason?
That's correct, yes. Not engaging with your emotional blackmail or justifications for mob violence.

>>724124256
Swansong is like playing a Telltale game married to a David Cage game (complete with summaries of what you did at the end of each chapter vs what you could have done) made by RPG autists. It has extremely wonky presentation. The story is good. The music is good. The twists are great. But it loves to lock you out of content because you didn't have enough stats in this area or another.

The twists go so much deeper than that, BTW. Huge spoilers beware. Her real name is not Leysha. She is not Halsey's sire. Halsey (also not her real name) is HER sire. Neither of them are aware of this because their memories have been manipulated. Also, the Halsey you spend most of the game with is a hallucination because the real Halsey is in a government prison being studied, and you are having dreams of a long hallway, inducing something is very wrong. The vampire psychologist who has been manipulating your memories was ordered to kill Halsey, but he pussied out and worked with the government (he's a government double agent) to give Halsey to them. The scheme was that by removing Halsey, Leysha's psychic visions would become stronger. Something very bad is coming, and the prince is paranoid. The big reveal that it's a British plot to overthrow the Boston vampires is only revealed if you discover the right evidence and confront Emem's sire. Who will murder you if you don't side with her in a scenario where you don't have enough celerity to dodge her attacks.

>>724124629
Why?

>>724124668
Then as I explained to you, you are creating your own problem. If you think complaining about it is then going to make the problem go away, you're a child.

>>724124726
You're slowly but surely creating a police state. I like saying naughty words sometimes. I think my position is superior.

>>724124726
>Why?
It's an inbuilt reflex. Kinda like being grossed out by feces or worm-filled corpses.

>>724124794
The people literally creating a police state right now are not leftists, anon...

>>724124814
Your entire position is a reactionary "ew, icky!". You sound like a child. Except a child doesn't get the right to vote based on their retarded impulses.

>>724124569
Compared to Night Road I'd say Book of Hungry Names is easily something you could consider high quality and more consistent, even if it's V5 (and W5 at that) it actually handles the setting changes well and doesn't spring fucked
>Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies
Situations on the player like the SI in Night Road. The characters are for the most part I feel more multifaceted and enjoyable as someone who was very much not a fan of Julian.
Keep in mind though, it's W:tA so you're locked into being an ecoterrorist no matter what, but you do get to pick your poison of everything around restoring gaia and killing corpos, so the endings feel like something you have more real control over. It's long as fuck though, took me maybe 15-20 hours my first play through and apparently I skipped over the DLC and skipped some stuff. The game also has a lot of variance between the scenarios on what you choose so it's definitely interesting. I'd recommend you get it but it's also a 40 dollar game off-sale I pirated it
I'm going to admit the Kyle guy is a rather talented writer but the game feels a bit excessive

>>724124616
Swansong was published by Nacon, and developed by the studio who made The Council. It was rushed out the door clearly unfinished with massive, rage-inducing game breaking bugs. Only some of them were fixed, and were fixed like 9 months after it came out. So the release version of the game had this bug where it would soft lock in the Red Salon, about 8 hours into the game. This required you to restart the entire game from the start to solve, and at that time you could not skip cutscenes or dialogue. It was so maddening.

The game also has a save system that fucks you over because if you hit "restart scene" in the first two hours it starts the whole game over. It treats the entire opening two hours spanning three playable characters as a single scene. It is retardation on a level I cannot fathom.

Also, the DLC items like the hankerchief and the bottle and the badge have negative effects, not just positive ones. but the negative ones don't show in the inventory, they're cut off in the UI. I want to throttle Big Bad Wolf (the developer) for being so utterly infurating that they have this game that is really good in so many ways but they were too fucking stupid to fix the issues that really mattered. That's why it has mixed, sometimes barely positive % approval on Steam. If they had fixed the bugs and QoL issues it would be in the 80s, easily.

>>724124907
>Your entire position is a reactionary "ew, icky!".
If someone tried to sell you shit and you refused to buy, could they shame you using the same argument?
Sorry to be the one to tell you, but obnoxious faggots are not well liked, which is why they can only thrive on the internet in very controlled environments where dissent is censored heavily.

Like the discord room you came from.

>>724124907
>The people literally creating a police state right now are not leftists, anon...
It the case all over the western world the only thing happening in the US is a response to blue cities doing absolutely nothing about crime and even helping it.

>724111629

Glad that nobody took the bait on this one.

>>724124594
If only it was a Dishonored knockoff at least we'd have fun movement and level design. Anyway
>Masquerade system is laughable
>Can superman jump off of a building and make a bone shattering drop right in view of a normie and somehow this doesn't immediately break the masquerade
It's a bit retarded especially compared to 1. I think sidequests sucking has been a constant statement in these threads too

>>724125007
>If someone tried to sell you shit and you refused to buy, could they shame you using the same argument?
I mean, I didn't buy VTMB2 (pirated it), because it's just a shoddy product. But I'm not going to not buy something because it's "icky faggot shit". That's retarded.
In the first place, you're allowed to not buy something, but then don't go around complaining that it's not for you and that it SHOULD be.

>>724125087
>our fascism is only in response to their fascism, promise.

>>724124680
>those plot twists
>hidden content
>locked out because you built character like shit
HOLY BASED, okay I'm not going to lie that's actually quite interesting. Shame it flopped apparently

>>724125003
Damn that's unfortunate. I guess VtM and WoD in general is just fucking cursed
>Wraith VR game is actually a 9/10 horror game after the mediocre 2/10 first hours

>>724125240
>But I'm not going to not buy something because it's "icky faggot shit".
If anything you'd go out of your way to buy something like that.
>but then don't go around complaining that it's not for you and that it SHOULD be.
Why not?

>>724101297
I hope someone breaks into your house and murders you. I'm 100% serious. I genuinely think you deserve to die.

>>724096138 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx5mSBlLWsM

>>724125327
Because not everything in the world exists for you, anon. That's a stupid standard to set. I don't like RTS or sports games, I don't go into these threads demanding that they be made in a way I like.
Some things are just for other people. And some of these other people happen to have sensibilities you don't. Such as, yes, being homosexual, for example.

It bothers me that when you drink from people, it doesn't drain them to death. They should make it so that there's an obvious "you should stop now" point, and if you don't stop, you kill them.

>>724125240
>enforcing the law in a lawless shit hole
>fascism
No Kings but Qweens~

Bloodlines 1 glazers go real quiet when you mention the sewers

>>724125448
If you make a new IP specifically for obnoxious faggots like yourself, like Forspoken or Dustborn, then by all means enjoy it with your fellow faggots.
However, if you take an existing IP which already has a fanbase and you shit all over it, then expect those people to be upset.

Why exactly is that shocking to you?

>>724125550
>However, if you take an existing IP which already has a fanbase and you shit all over it, then expect those people to be upset.
Bloodlines 2 doesn't shit on Bloodlines 1. It seems made by people with a lot of respect for 1, but clearly some kind of identity crisis in how it was going to update 1 into a more casual oriented action RPG.

>>724125490
Zoomers don't have that kind of attention span. They'd throw a fit if they actually had to pay attention and press ANOTHER button after feeding, so they'd end up accidentally killing everyone.

>>724125493
>create new discriminatory laws ("don't say gay", genital checks, etc...)
>apply those laws
>it's okay guys, we're just making sure law is applied, because this sure was a criminal shithole before!
What you're saying is that you agree these things should be criminalized.

>>724125550
It isn't shocking, it's just disappointing. Because these new additions aren't shocking to me. Bit preachy because of poor writing? Sure. But the message doesn't shock me. It doesn't bother me that it's there. I find it odd that it does bother you.

>>724125559
Yes, I entered this thread to debate politics, not because I like vampire video games. This is what I come to /v/ for.

>>724123697
Are those nazis in the room with us?

>>724125729
They're slowly revealing themselves, yes.

>>724125704
>Zoomers don't have that kind of attention span. They'd throw a fit if they actually had to pay attention and press ANOTHER button after feeding, so they'd end up accidentally killing everyone.

>>724125667
>It seems made by people with a lot of respect for 1, but clearly some kind of identity crisis in how it was going to update 1 into a more casual oriented action RPG.
You're contradicting yourself.
>I find it odd that it does bother you.
You find it odd that not everyone on this planet agrees with you?

>>724125784
Found one.

>>724124569
>>724124951
Anyway, yeah I'd say his werewolf game is much better written though be mindful that it's on the longer side

>>724125719
>>724125789

"What clan do you hail from"
"I hail from [insert clan here] but I can use every discipline because fuck you"

>>724125719
Yes anon. I'm sure the national guard and ICE are there to oppress gays and trannies

You niggas are just bored and purposefully falling for bait, right?

>>724125768
stupid tranime idiot

>>724125497
Everyone admits the sewers is one of the worst parts of the game, even then it's very easily doable as long as you had a character idea beyond pumping social stats, and even then you either choose
>melee
>or ranged
>get some stamina and dodge for soak
it's the worst part of the game, but it's not difficult

>>724098663
>Not even having a paper doll is confusing to say the least
are all Cuckold RPG lovers are as low IQ as you?

>>724125789
You don't have to agree, but it's odd that you disagree so hard you'd make a point of saying it. But then again, give what you "disagree" with (that gays aren't icky just because they're gay), I'm sure you feel the need to say it very loud.

>>724125932
Anime website, tourist.

>>724125903
This bothered me too because I'd never played the tabletop, but apparently that's been a thing since V20. Bloodlines just didn't implement it.

>>724125903
>"I hail from [insert clan here] but I can use every discipline because fuck you"
I'm confused by this because VTM has always allowed cross-clan disciplines. It's super basic stuff.

>>724125903
>when you casually end up a more powerful vampire than most elders by just sipping on some of that vampire juice casually
Welcome to V5, even a sippy is enough to learn Tremmy Thamaturgy

>>724126039
>but it's odd that you disagree so hard you'd make a point of saying it.
It's odd I verbalize a disagreement? kek

>>724126043
Bloodlines didn't but VtM specifically leaves it up to the ST and how difficult he wants to make it for a player to learn disciplines he normally shouldn't have access to. So yes, always allowed but it wasn't that easy

>>724126075
When your disagreement is that people shouldn't be allowed to fuck who they want because it makes YOU uncomfortable? Yeah, kinda.

>>724126102
It's not easy here, either. You need clan teachers and need a huge amount of resonant blood. (Although sadly it ends up being busywork more than anything else.)

>>724126039
>Anime website
1. it's not
2. go post on the tranime board

>>724126141
Get your ass fucked all you want, just don't expect me to buy products full of faggots.

VTMB2 is a game that capitalizes "God" and has characters wondering aloud if they'll be allowed to celebrate Christmas if they get embraced. There are so many ways it could have been obnoxious. But it chose not to.

the nossie goes out in public places too often. The lobby of the tower where it's only glass. the alley with a bunch of hobbos and the park. I stood there as Fabien as watched as random civies just walked past him.

>>724126141
>I-I should be allowed to be a degenerate unnatural freak of nature that molests and grooms children!
Nah

>>724125240
I don't want any fascism. I want feudalism, if anything.

>>724126141
There is a difference between having a relationship and shouting your fetish from the rooftops and holding parades in it's honor and also shoving in into all media.
Fags are a minority, most relationships don't involve it. It's no different than any other niche fetish. If you partake in it do it in private and don't let it be known that you partake in it. Same with all other non vanilla sex acts. And if you get diseases or some other affliction from it? You deserve the hate, you broke the masquerade.

>>724126039
>tranimetroon is defending faggotry
Color me surprised.

>>724126314
>the nossie goes out in public places too often.
That's just how v5 is. They're ugly, but not THAT ugly.

>only thing close to turning into a bat or mist is Gangrel
>bootleg werewolf

>uses the word tourist
>slimy language and thinly veiled threats

Yup, a libshit alright.

>Anyway

The game is just so, so boring. There's not a lot of propaganda in this game as you might have expected, nothing that sticks out. It's very corporate and bland. It's also doubly funny to me that Paradox obviously didn't even bother investing money into shills and blackmailing journos so you even have Reddit in pic related calling the game for what it is. There's really nothing else to add. Even threads here have pretty much petered out and aren't nearly as active for a new release.

V5 turning nossies into absolute disgusting bat-like deformed mongrels into "burn victims" was a mistake

>>724124594
>Having to farm Resonance to unlock abilities becomes boring after 5 minutes
I don't know why they keep trying to make that garbage system work
It fucking sucks and it's a blight in modern VTM games

>>724126207
Yet you expect me to buy products full of straight people without complaining. Which I will. Because I'm not weird and I accept that other people like other things?

>>724126326
Thank you for your post.

>>724126201
Historical revisionism.

>>724126364
Is being gay "just a fetish"? Do you have a "woman fetish"? Is that how you would describe your sexuality?

>>724126425
You seem to know a lot about Reddit. Perhaps you should go back there.

>>724126445
>V5... was a mistake

fixed

>>724126496
>Yet you expect me to buy products full of straight people without complaining.
I don't expect you to do that. In fact, I couldn't care less.

>>724126425
>The game is just so, so boring.
Hasn't that always been a disputed point with TCR? I remember people arguing that Amnesia A Machine for Pigs was boring because they took Amnesia and removed all the inventory, survival horror mechanics, and interaction, and replaced it with holding W to walk forward while someone monologued.

>>724126496
You are a subhuman because you're a faggot. You are a lesser existence. You are also likely a pedo, because most faggots are pedos, and you are posting pedo cartoons. These are simply facts.

>>724126557
Counterpoint: Rudi (PBUH)

>>724126379
I guess v5 is part of the problem. A lot of these games based on v5 nail the aesthetics of the books but that's just it v5's aesthetics are not my type at all. Looks like it was made for woman and gays and I mean that in the most respectful way. Everyone look like they are either a model with overdesigned clothes or a fat white woman's vision of what punk is.

Fat of the Night

https://files.catbox.moe/pk74xr.webm

>>724126164
I suppose so but in a more proper game if you wanted to unlock more than you clan discipline you'd need to do a decently convoluted favor or sidequest

>>724126558
So it's cool with you if I make a thread about how gross straight people are? You won't find that weird?

>>724126589
You are subhuman because you are a rightoid. You are also likely fat because most chuds are fat, and you are posting chuddy arguments. These are simply facts.

>>724126684
Bet of Night sounds a lot more like a modern radio host/podcaster. Deb sounds like a classic 90s/early 2000s radio host.

>>724126684
Later she does word for word some of Deb's dialogue. Also Damsel's new VA sounds even more obnoxious. and there's no way to deal with the Anarchs for good.

>>724126748
>So it's cool with you if I make a thread about how gross straight people are?
I'm sure you already do that on your faggot discord servers.

>>724126571
The current TCR isn't the same that made Machine for Pigs. They're just a bunch of inexperienced schmucks that absolutely couldn't handle a sequel for Bloodlines and it shows. It's a repeated point here and with my friend group: if this game wasn't called bloodlines 2 and was priced at about $25 it would've been perfectly serviceable. But as it stands it's overpriced and has only some similarities with the first game.

>>724126379
>>724126670
It was only in Bloodlines were nossies outright were Masquerade violations. In the ttrpg it would be easier to get violations because of having appearance 0 but you could still somewhat interact assuming you were sufficiently covered up

>>724126748
>uh...n-no u
About all I expected from a tranimetroon.

>>724126784
>and there's no way to deal with the Anarchs for good.
What do you mean? You can sic the SI on the anarchs and wipe them out.

>>724124951
>>724125836
Damn I'll probably start playing it by the end of the month then. Not a fan of WtA, but I wasn't a fan of v5 either and Night Road was great anyway.

>>724126496
>Is being gay "just a fetish"
Yes. Romantic relationships in principle are between human men and human women.
Not human females and dogs
Not human males and birds
Not human males and human males

Can we just ban tranime posters? Literally every single time a thread is filled with fucking retarded/degenerate posts it always comes from those pedo freaks.

>>724126834
Well yes, but Paradox WANTED to pump out bloodlines 2 so here we are as unfortunate as it is

>>724126784
Damsel's VA is actually still the same one, Courtenay Taylor, she's just older now so she no longer sounds bratty, she just sounds annoying.

>>724096138 (OP)
Isn't this game mostly first person?

>>724126748
>So it's cool with you if I make a thread about how gross straight people are? You won't find that weird?
Not /v/
>You are subhuman because you are a rightoid. You are also likely fat because most chuds are fat, and you are posting chuddy arguments. These are simply facts.
Ad hominem therefore not an argument.

>>724126047
Nah, even in v5 you need a teacher for some stuff.

>>724126834
>The current TCR isn't the same that made Machine for Pigs.
Oh, but they are. Or were. Pinchbeck founded the studio and wrote/directed all their games up to Still Wakes the Deep, and his role on VTMB2 was:
>Pitch creation and creative leadership, concept adaptation to fit publisher and IP requirements, gameplay vision (including mechanics, tone, player experience), Creative Direction (prototype, pre-production & production, until Alpha (spring 2023)), Narrative Direction (including story and character creation, overseeing writing and level design team, establishing narrative architecture, style guides, working with Kate Saxon/SIDE on casting, voice direction and editing), Publisher liaison (specifically IP/Branding teams).
https://www.danpinchbeck.co.uk/vampire
Ironically, though, the Dan Pinchbeck version of VTMB2 was a straight up action game. All the Fabien walking and talking stuff was added by the two guys who replaced him, director Alex Skidmore and writer Ian Thomas. They pushed the game in a more walking sim-like direction.

>>724126867
>>724126914
Ah my bad

>>724121140
>not being a bull busting heavy working neet

>>724126870
You don't have to worry too much, the more sanitized nature of W5 means that a lot of the freakier borderline zoophilia aspects of old Werewolf got removed while still keeping the shamanism and eco terrorism. So the setting should be easier to get into though in my opinion the setting is better with the weird shit The game makes some pretty good use of your stats, transformations, current state, rage, and gifts just like Night Road does with your inventory and disciplines so it should be rather enjoyable
and it has overconfident wizards too

>>724126795
Do you realize how insane you sound? Just because someone disagrees with you and has a differently lifestyle, they have to be part of conspiratorial efforts to undermine the website with their "ideologies".
I'm not on any 4chan discord servers, in fact I'm playing Ball X Pit right now. You're weird.

>>724126873
Maybe for you. But other people feel sexual and romantic attraction towards the same sex. The human experience has a broader scope than what you personally experience (aka the world doesn't revolve around you).

>>724126867
I thought any option that isn't Embracing Latoya and sending them away from Seattle would result in them wiping out the Vampire populace in the ending slides.

>>724126950
>Ad hominem therefore not an argument.
That was the point anon, thank you for understanding.

>>724127058
Being a faggot isn't a "different lifestyle", it's willingly being a disease-spreading, child-molesting degenerate.
Stop watching cartoons.

>>724099569
If you can't tell you definitely aren't cool either.

>>724127058
>Do you realize how insane you sound?
You started this reply chain by defending faggot antifa hipsters and saying that you have to like them because they fight against nazis.
Ask yourself that question first.

>>724126964
Damn, if guys with taste like this can get influential roles in vidya dev why can't anons

>>724126914
No, new Damsel is Claire Morgan.
https://youtu.be/9NkZZh1Fd3g?si=y3bV-rVGcETahc-L&t=160
I speculate couldn't get Taylor back because of the actor's strike during the game's production. Pretty much all of the actors are British. Taylor is American.

>>724127058
>Just because someone disagrees with you (...)
It's reason enough to get shot in the neck according to you psychos

>>724127117
Hmm, weird, I've had sex with other males yet I have not spread any diseases, nor have I molested any children. Nor has any homosexual in my entourage, AFAIK. How do you explain this contradiction?

>>724127143
I didn't say you have to like them specifically, only that it's nothing be offended at, and taking it to that point is weird. It's understandable why someone would write this, even if it is cringey and clumsy. That's my point.

>>724127250
>I've had sex with other males
And for that you should be killed, you disgusting tranime pedo.

>>724127164
What the fuck, oh, that explains.

>>724126989
I was wrong. It is a new VA.

>>724127279
Because...?

>>724127086
>it was cancer all along
That feels cheap

>>724127058
>But other people feel sexual and romantic attraction towards the same sex
Perhaps, but it doesn't make them any less freakish than those who feel that way for animals or something like babies.
Not to mention the health problems. Just as you would feel disgust for an Indian smearing shit on everything, so too do most people feel disgust for faggotry. No logic games or demands of pity or understanding can change what people feel at their core. This is also why instead of saying "don't be a faggot", I say "keep it hidden or deal with exclusion and distrust from society", like with any other fetish or undesirable personality trait. Demanding as a minority that the majority should cater to you is the height of hubris.

>>724126748
there's an entire board where you can go and complain about straight people until your heart is content. No one's going to stop you.

>>724123301
This, its like watching the local Karen complain how obnoxious and entitled people are

I hope somebody is screencapping this fucking tranime faggot proudly proclaiming he gets fucked up the ass

>>724127367
Why is Ryong even a choice given that she dies anyway

>>724127325
>Perhaps, but it doesn't make them any less freakish than those who feel that way for animals or something like babies.
>Loving/wanting to fuck consenting adults is just as bad as wanting to fuck babies or animals if they have the same genitals as you
Do you seriously not realize how insane you sound?

>>724127250
>I didn't say you have to like them specifically
You portrayed it as an either or situation and implied that basically you support their position.

>>724127434
>Loving/wanting to fuck consenting adults is just as bad as wanting to fuck babies or animals if they have the same genitals as you
Yes. There is a reason people have used it as an insult throughout the ages. I fear it is you who have become lost in the trappings of modern morality rather than historical norms

>>724127374
I gotchu, senpai.

I'm not a leftist but saying "we should kill all homos" is an unhinged fringe opinion that will never pass in any modern political system. Good luck with your genocide crusade and culture war but I have 0 faith you'll win it with that kind of bullet point.

>>724122719
>camarilla
>fascist
huh?

>>724127528
Unbelievable. How rotted must your brain be to announce something like that? I guess it checks out since faggots have faggot pride parades.

I dropped it after the fight with Benny

>>724127423
Because she's not dead yet. [spoiler/]Personally, I hope they patch in a way to save Ryong. I don't care how complicated they make it. She's the prince Seattle needs.[/spoiler]

>>724127643
Why?

The fight with the pretentious nigger artist bitch was so fucking obnoxious.
>how do we make this boss a challenge?
>uhh idk just arbitrarily lock all the skills that the game keeps telling you not to forget to use because without them you literally have 2 attacks

>>724127476
I do support their position, although just like you I do find the writing to be cringe. That's what I've been saying from the start. The only thing I find weird is to go from "the writing is cringe" to "they shouldn't say this". Complain that it's hamfisted, not that the message is wrong.

>>724127490
People also lived with crooked teeth under the rule of despotic kings and without access to modern hygiene for throughout the ages. Does that make it a good thing? If you wipe your ass or take tylenol when your head hurts, I'm afraid you too have "fallen for modern morality rather than historical norm".

>>724127667
Good attempt, no shame in it anon. Anyway, yeah. Feels a bit retarded to get the choice and then it does nothing. She's kind of hot so I'd like her to live to the end but who knows, I doubt they can add story content in a game like this but a few ending slides shouldn't be impossible, so who knows.
We're getting Sheriff and Ysabella dlc pretty sure
speaking of which what the fuck happens to those two to make them so aggro ato you

>>724127553
Anybody who tells you to have restraint or just straight up no is a fascist, anon! And we all know anybody who is a fascist should get shot.

>>724127704
Because once I tried to get out of the tower after delivering his ass, I got yeeted out of bounds. Might pick it up again after couple of patches. And honestly I heard there's a lot of detective parts so it kinda turned me off.

>>724127775
>Complain that it's hamfisted, not that the message is wrong.
I did, you're the one that sperged out and said I defend nazis.
Are you suffering from amnesia, faggot?

>>724127741
>>uhh idk just arbitrarily lock all the skills that the game keeps telling you not to forget to use because without them you literally have 2 attacks
She locked them because you're not appreciating her art enough. You should have agreed with her that art is violence. Then she would have unlocked them for you.
>without them you literally have 2 attacks
You have punch, strong punch, and seven different kinds of kick. Also parry. Funny thing is, I don't think any of the people fighting her know you can parry her attacks because it never says you can do that.

>>724105635
"Call me Crush 40, Fabien"

>>724127846
>you should have picked the choice the game wants you to pick
Why even have a fucking dialogue tree then.
>Also parry
I did parry her occasionally but it was usually by accident because the combat is fucking dogshit and the best you can hope for is spamming dodge and attacking.

>>724098770
>people can't get a job because the 1% would rather import and pay foreigners pennies on the dollar
>native population has enough and kills all the foreigners
and you may ask yourself "well, how did i get here?"

>>724127741
>>724127846
It's a homage to that Deus Ex boss fight. There's two achievements. One for doing it with your abilities. One without.

>>724127839
Then I must've misunderstood you, because I clearly got the feeling that you disagreed with the message itself, rather than how it was written. Your usage of ad hominem and slurs to explain why you didn't like it certainly didn't help. But if you agree with the message and just groan at what you see as people you agree with but just find aesthetically misguided/cringe, then I have no beef with you anon, we agree.

>>724123027
Hard agree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIC3qruk2yY

>>724127981
>achievements
I don't give a shit about achievements and I pirated it because I'm not a retard.

>>724117760
>>724119695
wild delusions. I actually thought it would sell more than this but this is actually hilarious. steam reviews are mixed too. I love vtmb but didn't get my hopes up - was secretly hoping it would actually come out and be surprisingly good but there goes that I guess.

>>724117760
not when you spend hundreds of millions on a failed version, and then a complete flop of a second version.

>>724127927
>Why even have a fucking dialogue tree then.
I asking myself the same question, especially for Fabien.
>use power
>get pushed out of dialogue when you use the wrong option and the blood pip is refunded
Then when it does use a pip you can spam his contacts infinitely and later the game gives you enough blood potions so you don't even have to do that.

>>724127989
I bet you think you look like that, you fucking ghoulish tranny

>>724100769
No, it is pretty bad, but i would have accepted it as its own thing since this is V5 ultrafaggot WOD
What it did it try do it has failed at it
Combat is wonky, limited
I had just finished playing Dying Light The Beast, the contrast of that games combat in first person with this one is astronomous
For starters i can land a dropkick 98% of the time in DL, in this one i havent landed it a single time due to the game just launching me over the target every single time

>>724127989
You didn't "misunderstand" me. You knew exactly what I was saying and argued against it.
Here is my quote:
>I don't like it cause it's a bunch of hipster fags talking like fags.
>Why can't you hate Nazis without being a lame faggot?
You said I defend nazis cause of it.

>>724128101
I'm not even trans dude. You're fighting a strawman of your own making.

>>724128087
Fabien's sections are genuinely some of the worst "gameplay" in video game history. It's almost impressive how shit they are.

How's Vampyr compared to this? I've had it in my backlog for ages and I'm looking for a palette cleanser after finishing BL2 (Did my yearly BL1 run earlier in the month)

>>724128164
Like I said earlier, it's moreso enabling rather than outright defending. The fact that you can't argument your position without using discriminatory language doesn't help.

>>724117760
All while riding entirely on the reputation of its predecessor

>>724128165
Why are you posting a screenshot of a post you made 2 years ago? Are you that self-obsessed? I guess it checks out for a faggot, since you faggots have literal faggot sex parades because you can't live without everyone knowing what utter faggots you are.

>>724128215
>I'm enabling nazis because I find obnoxious caricatures of urbanite leftists annoying

>>724127927
>>you should have picked the choice the game wants you to pick
>Why even have a fucking dialogue tree then.
She wants you to be part of her art. If you agree, she "removes your chains" so you can be glorious. If you don't appreciate her artistic vision, she basically has a fuck you attitude.

>>724128206
It's fun kinda.

>>724128206
It's nothing stellar but it's solid, and coming off this shit it'll probably feel like a fucking masterpiece.

>>724128083
>>724128075
Think about it this way. What do you think all those console gamers are going to associate Bloodlines with now?

>>724128256
>I'm enabling nazis
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES5lzc-suYY

>>724128206
>>724128298
I feel like it's one of those games that tries to force moral conundrums on the player that are actually a binary choice between
>Be a good boy
>Be a fucking evil sociopath
but it is fun

>>724128382
>doesn't have an argument
>posts more tranime
You're like a fucking living meme.

>>724128256
Yes, absolutely.

>>724127941
Should have killed the 1%

>>724128251
Just posting random images from my funny folder anon, sorry it made you react so strongly. Please have a mint or something.

>>724128256
What bothers you more, that it's a poorly written caricature, or that urbanite leftists and their ideals exist in the first place, is the question?

>>724128392
Yeah black and white morality shit is always gay. I liked Infamous Second Son but I felt the same way about it. The first two games had the same problem but I didn't enjoy them because Cole wasn't nearly as fun to play. Delsin having a bunch of different powers made the childish good/bad system more tolerable.

>>724124594
i was thinking this entire they should have just made vampire dishonored

>>724125719
>perverts dress as women and go into women's restroom
>use opportunity to prey on them
>people don't like this and want it to stop
>laws are made
>WHAT?! THIS IS FASCISM
Why do you set yourself up like this?

>>724128496
>that it's a poorly written caricature
This. Urbanite leftists also existed in VTMB and they weren't as obnoxious.

>>724128421
Oh, I didn't actually follow your argument, I just wanted an excuse to post Hellsing.
Sorry you don't like things that are cool.

>>724124641
BUT I DIDN'T SHIT NO DEPUTY

>>724128560
>cartoons for pedophiles
>cool
pick one.

>>724128462
the second you try it, the military jumps in to commit as much treason as possible. and don't you dare try to protect your nice town from the black hordes.

>>724128516
Cole in 1 is more so the case of a hardened survivor choosing to selfishly keep himself and his direct associates alive and thriving as opposed to being hilariously evil. In 2 though? Yeah it's pretty damn black and white

>>724098770
WHY IS THIS SHIT IN MY FUCKING VAMPIRE GAME!?

>>724128610
Something like that I guess?
I don't know man, I don't really care lol.

>>724128545
Then like I said, we do agree on the principle. I myself find online leftists obnoxious and sheltered, even if I do ultimately agree on the principles they defend. Sorry if it was my misunderstanding.

>>724128531
Your premise is wrong. 99% of trans women aren't "perverts that dress up as women to go into their restrooms". In fact, most of them are afraid to even go to the restroom they feel they should go in because of people like you.
I also really wanna ask you what the fuck someone gets, sexually, out of going into the women's restroom. Like, I'm a gay male and I don't get any perverted thrills out of going to the male restroom. It's just where people go piss and shit, myself included.

>>724125768
>slowly

>>724128745
>I myself find online leftists obnoxious and sheltered
You're one of them.

>>724128206
It's good but wait for a sale, it's about $10 overpriced for what it is. The game suffers from the exact same problem that Dishonored does: it gives you all of these cool tools and abilities, but it punishes you narratively for using them. To be more specific you get experience points from killing enemies, finishing quests, learning about people and feeding one people as a vampire. The amount of exp you get from not feeding is less than half than what you would get from feeding on people. You also get a bigger exp bonus the more you learned about the person whose blood you've drunk. The problem is you are narratively penalized for feeding, you get worse endings by feeding and if you don't feed on people you also get locked out of interesting narrative consequences during the game i.e characters become depressed their friend is dead, families finally being free from their abusive husband etc.

The thing is the combat is easy enough that you don't need to feed on people anyway, it's gonna be a bit harder but if you're not a shitter you'll be fine.

The good parts of the game is the story, presentation and lore. The main character is phenomenally voice acted. Vampire lore is very cool in this game, but I can't talk more about it because it'd be a spoiler it's not as intricate as VtM's lore however.

>>724128718
the nossie in chief has that stereotypical annoying gay voice and talks about wearing rainbow capes and being queer.

>>724128745
>I'm a gay male and I don't get any perverted thrills out of going to the male restroom.
Do you not know what happens in porta potties at gay pride parades?

>>724128496
Not him but both given the specific way they act and the specific ideals they hold are counter intuitive to general society. They live a life of holier than thou grandstanding and inhabit a bubble where they push their own social credit system to see who is the best boy and take things which will normally be seen as virtues and twist them for their own gain. They are not moral but wish to make it seem like they are. They do not care about minorities, or equality (or whatever the fuck it is today) but rather to make it seem like they do to foster a certain image and come off as a good person. It is disingenuous and as the other guy said obnoxious. They do not have any real values they have ideas of values. And that is not even getting into the cultural marxist bullshit.

>>724128610
>hellsing
>cartoon for pedophiles
It's okay to say you don't know what you're talking about anon. Humility is a virtue.

>>724128778
Hmm, I guess in this instance I kinda am, that's fair enough.

>>724128801
>two consenting adults go into a sheltered space to have sex
>this is somehow comparable to me going to pee in a public restroom
Do you live in utter fear that a homo might come and sniff your farts every time you take a dump outside the house?

>>724128745
>99% of trans women aren't "perverts that dress up as women to go into their restrooms"
>source my often fucked ass

>>724124018
You know that by saying this youre just keeping people away from Swanswong?
Rudi is a representation everything thats wrong with V5

>>724096138 (OP)
>Demasculinized, feminine body
>Weird gay leaning backwards stance
>Head size indicates he's about 5'0

Hahahhahaha this was the easiest game ever to not buy even before seeing this

>>724128856
It's tranime. Tranime is for pedophiles.

>>724128624
So what you're telling me is that we kill the military also?

>>724128856
These people unironically think wiping their ass will make them gay, so yes they are afraid homos will come and brainwash them

>>724128745
>I'M A FAGGOT BTW DID I MENTION THAT I'M GAY??? BECAUSE I AM!!!! I'M A FAG A BIG FAGGOTY FAGGOT FAG I'M GAY AS FUCK DID YOU KNOW I'M GAY????
Why the fuck are they all like this

>>724128718
Vampires have their own political battles. They don't give a rats ass about what humans go through. We're cattle to them.
Do you really about the cows political views at the farm?

>>724128857
My source: lived experience through contact and open conversation with many of these people
Your source: people on /pol/ told me I should be afraid of this

>>724128917
And video games are for children.

>>724128821
This is definitely applicable to a lot of young leftists, and it's a damn shame. It's a discussion I've often had, where the systems of catholic guilt and "virtue" are still present, just with different points values.

>>724128917
>It's tranime. Tranime is for pedophiles.
Damn bro, if only you could make some vampire shit that is half as cool I might care.

>>724128952
This strawman is so funny at how absurd it is. Even if some retard somewhere actually believes this, it's absolutely not a common opinion.

>>724128745
>99% of trans women aren't "perverts that dress up as women to go into their restrooms"
50% are and have the AGP shit while the other half are just mentally ill in a different way.
> In fact, most of them are afraid to even go to the restroom they feel they should go in because of people like you
You mean people that point out that a man can't be a woman and vice versa?
>I also really wanna ask you what the fuck someone gets, sexually, out of going into the women's restroom
The opportunity to assault and look at women in a state of undress. You know pervert shit.

>>724129043
>he doesnt know

>>724129010
So your source is anecdotal. Meaning you don't have a source, you fucking AIDS-ridden faggot.

>>724100769
>he bought it

i haven't played 1, i played 2 for free, and its pure shit. uninstalled it on the same day.

>>724096138 (OP)
Bait posts aside, anyone who bought this game should be lynched

>>724129045
>50% are and have the AGP shit while the other half are just mentally ill in a different way.
Source: my ass
>The opportunity to assault and look at women in a state of undress
You do realize that women don't get publicly undressed in public restrooms? There are no urinals in womens bathrooms. You only take your pants off once the door is closed. Also, if you were looking to sexually assault someone, wouldn't you pick somewhere secluded where you have time to do the deed, rather than a public bathroom where anyone might come in at any moment? Your thesis doesn't even make sense.

>>724129068
Yeah, because I don't go to absolutely fringe sites like that. And I'm not a lefty who thinks this way because his echo chamber makes him think it's a majority opinion.

>>724128869
>Rudi is a representation everything thats wrong with V5
There's nothing really wrong with Rudi. Have you ever met a Muslim who wasn't down low before?

>>724129202
whatever you say stinky-butt

>>724128971
Narcissism born out of being a pet for spoiled, bougie children.

>>724123575
Unlike blacks and mexicans we like having jobs.

>>724129225
I hope you get out of that pit, anon.

>>724129074
At least mine is first-hand rather than something I parrot from people who also don't have lived experience withthe thing they're talking. And if you must know, I don't have AIDS, but I'll make sure to tell you if I catch it someday.
I'm a top, btw.

>>724129292
the entire world is a pit and we're all stuck here

So this is all that VTM threads are gonna be now, right?

>>724129193
>Source: my ass
Just as real as your source, you wanted to give percentages don't bitch when others do the same.
>You do realize that women don't get publicly undressed in public restrooms
State of undress means not fully clothed and someone having their pants and underwear down is indeed a state of undress.
>You only take your pants off once the door is closed
As if that stops someone from taking creep shots.
>Also, if you were looking to sexually assault someone, wouldn't you pick somewhere secluded where you have time to do the deed
You would think that but I mean they let the dudes into the women's restroom so they think they can get away with it from there.

>>724129302
>I'M GAY I'M GAY I'M A RAGING FAGGOT ASS HOMOQUEER
Seriously why the fuck are they like this, it's fucking pathological

>>724129407
This isn't a VtM thread this is a Shitlines thread. No one wanted this game, no one likes it, and the only reason its talked about is because some faggot shill keeps spamming threads and made drew ire towards it.

>>724129510
They have a chip on their shoulder, combine it with narcisism and you get that faggot

>>724129545
I like it. It has a wonderful story, enjoyable combat and traversal, and a bussin' soundtrack.
https://youtu.be/VdWGtVAIwmc?si=_Kr0PzLZRQUmSNkw&t=4986
If they can keep working on it, refining the rough edges, it's gonna be an all-time classic.

>>724129407
This is the end you desired

>>724129642
You are a shill. I am sure you are having a blast

>>724129642
Kill yourself, shill.

>any /v/ thread post 2016
>All about trannies and fags

Let me tell you a secret, touch grass, these people don't exist in the real world

>>724096138 (OP)
I could tolerate the feminine looking MC but these faggy ass outfits are inexcusable, and you can't even mix and match them because ???

>>724129785
Or devs could just make a good game.

>>724129472
You also have your pants down when you're at the urinal, and you don't even have a door to protect yourself. Why aren't you afraid of gay guys (or god forbid, trans men) taking creepshots of your dick?

>>724129785
This doesn't work when there are entire consulting firms that exist to strong arm studios to hire them and insert idpol culture war shit into games. Also you are arguing about said idpol shit on a hungarian pickling forum, you are no one to say anyone else should go outside.

>>724129785
If they don't exist in the real world, how do they keep appearing in the video games and the internet?

>>724129871
>You also have your pants down when you're at the urinal
What kind of retard are you? People don't pull their pants down at urinal.

>>724129732
>>724129735
Your tears only make me harder. Hey, so first major patch coming next week. What do you suppose they'll have fixed?

>>724129871
>You also have your pants down when you're at the urinal
Is this really how faggots piss at urinals?

>>724129968
>>724130090
Your dick is out in any case, that's a "state of undress".

>>724130090
Like Butters from South Park

>>724130089
>shill is yet another gay faggot

>>724130124
>dumb queer had to Google how urinals work and realized he's been getting weird looks and laughs for his entire laugh because he's been dropping his fucking pants while he uses them
My fucking sides

>>724130124
>trying to gloss over how he thinks people pull their pants down at urinals
Holy shit, what a self report.
>our dick is out in any case, that's a "state of undress"
There are blockers between each urinal in most bathrooms, and if a man tries to take creepshots he is at least doing it in the proper restroom and can get his ass kicked and reported for being a perv.

You people are just fucking assholes, huh?

>>724130308
I'm an angel myself. Never so much as said a bad word lol.

You pull your pants down to piss at the urinal, no one made you admit that, go cry elsewhere.

>>724130308
No, that's what you do, FAGGOT
AHAHAHAHA THIS FUCKING RETARD DROPS HIS PANTS AT URINALS

>>724130358
Feels good man

>>724130402
>feels gay man

I genuinely hope you motherfuckers all die lol. Wow, I can't even fucking imagine being such a piece of shit.

Holy shit this thread took a turn. LMAO

I feel like they should have leaned harder into the raceplay angle with Ysabella and her urge to turn Christian white girls into depraved blood sluts.

>its so unfair how everyone oppresses me for being a homosexual man, its especially bad here in the bathrooms
>*goes to urinal*
>*pulls down pants*

Please tell me the guy actually pulling down his pants in a urinal is just trolling

>>724125497
Since 2013 we literally complains about the sewers weekly. It's not a fucking new thing. But the truth is that it's not really that hard a part of the game, just one that is unexpected and thrown to the player without much warning. Everyone will say it's the worst part of the game, but given everything else about the game is close to masterpiece, it's like a little bit of dirt on your delicious cake, who cares.

>>724130782
>But the truth is that it's not really that hard a part of the game
That and if you specced *anything* into combat, it's trivial.

>>724130782
>Everyone will say it's the worst part of the game, but given everything else about the game is close to masterpiece
Fucking lol. Bloodlines begins to go to shit when you reach Downtown. Really, before that. The warehouse section is just dreadful. The boss fight before that, worse. It's a deeply unpleasant game to actually play, carried entirely by vibes.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:bc632f28c98ae91331263e729e60e6a97d02324e&dn=Vampire.The.Masquerade.Bloodlines.2-RUNE

>>724130739
He just brought it up out of nowhere and tried to deflect from it after he realized its not what you're supposed to do. Take that as you will.

>>724096138 (OP)
Still wakes the deep was so fucking good but i guess I should have known the chinese room could not make two actual video games in a row

>>724130856
>It's a deeply unpleasant game to actually play, carried entirely by vibes.
I mean, NTA but I'm entirely willing to admit that Bloodlines was a deeply flawed game- then it shouldn't be hard to improve on! Just keep the vibes and do a better job with the game design.
So, that's what they did!
...right?

>>724098579
>the game is kind of growing on me
So does cancer but you're not supposed to develop Stockholm syndrome for it.

I beat this game on Tuesday and its completely forgettable. Even the moment with Damsel.

>>724130856
>uhm ACSHUALLY the first game was shit

You didn't play the first game.

>>724131042
Damsel is overall a pretty forgettable character. I would have preferred a cameo from someone like Leysha.

>>724131047
He does this every thread. Its the usual shill cope.

>>724131047
A game can be awful to play with a bad story, like Bloodlines, but still be good because the vibes and world are interesting. A lot of cult classics are like this.

>>724131140
Bloodlines has a good story, shitlines on the other hand does not and all you can do is use retarded buzzwords to cope. Its already flopping as we speak and will be forgotten by mid november. No one would give a shit now if you didn't spam these threads.

>>724096138 (OP)
About to finish it and I actually enjoyed the story. Fabien was annoying but he grew on me. The acting was pretty decent across the board. The game has a lot of flaws but I don't regret downloading it. With the low critic scores I was expecting much worse. It even ran mostly well on my pc with only 1 crash. Side quests sucked, the game isn't really an rpg, and the combat requires you to play a certain way or it's annoying but I'd probably give it an 80 for score.

>>724130823
I think it's the fact it's not properly introduced narratively as a long gauntlet that is the issue here. Isaac just tells you "get into the sewers neonate" and by this point all sewers quests you had were 5 minutes plunge. Including the Downtown plague quest sewer or the Hunter Hollywood sewer.

So you just get inside, expecting 10 minutes of combat at worst. Instead it's a fucking 1 hour dungeon with 5 levels and copy pasted enemies. If Isaac had said "get into the sewer neonate, but you know, THERE IS A LOT OF SEWER DOWN THERE with a lot of monsters, so prep accordingly" it would have gone far better.

>>724131235
>Bloodlines has a good story
Not really. This is one of the reasons nobody cares about the endings being so bad. People have tuned out of the story by about 1/3 of the way through. It's just a complete bleh-fest narratively. The part people remember about Bloodlines 1 is sidequests. This is curiously the part 2 chooses to not give a shit about.
>Its already flopping as we speak and will be forgotten by mid november.
History repeats itself.

>>724131140
Its story is fine. If you wanted to come off as believable you could've said the last stretch of the game was shit, which it was because it was rushed. It was not only carried by its presentation but also by the fact it was very replayable and memorable. Hell it had actual RPG mechanics even at its worst.

>>724098456
I thought it was Pie-reee until I heard it.

>>724131264
ok you made me laugh, nice job

>>724131337
>Not really. This is one of the reasons nobody cares about the endings being so bad. People have tuned out of the story by about 1/3 of the way through
You're talking out of your ass yet again to cope with the fact that your trash will be forgotten and a game from 21 years ago will still be loved.
>History repeats itself.
No people still know and talk about VtMB, but keep crying faggot, I am sure someone will make thread when the layoffs start and everyone will laugh that you were fired.

>>724131348
Bloodlines 1 is replayable in the same sense Crysis 1 is replayable. Replaying the game consists of playing an hour and then stopping. It's not the last stretch of Bloodlines 1 that is mediocre to bad. It's basically everything after the opening section. The quality nosedives very quickly.

>>724131337
>This is one of the reasons nobody cares about the endings being so bad.
The ending is so memorable it has been memed on for decades by now. Decades. It has echoed on pretty much everyone who played the game.

*YOU* think the ending is bad, but that's just your shit opinion. Let me guess, you opened it?

>>724131512
You need to stop lying to people, imagine having to slander a game that came out two decades ago just to do damage control. Where do you think you are retard? People talk about VtMB here regularly, they know the game inside and out.

>>724131537
Nobody finishes Bloodlines. They get sick of the awful gameplay and stop around Chinatown.

>>724131594
I've seen the same rhetoric from Crysis fans in denial that Crysis 1 is an unfinished mess, and Crysis 2 is a much better game. They always talk about muh cult classic status.

>>724131608
>Nobody finishes Bloodlines
You need to stop coping, the more you say stupid shit like this the more you out that you are some fag that is here to do damage control.

>>724131652
>has to deflect to talking about crysis to cope over not being able to argue about VtMB. When you get laid off I suggest you slit your wrists.

i think the new game has less locations

>>724131773
It does. In the code there are references to locations such as the pier, but this was cut. Originally you would go meet Safia at the pier and stuff like that. Apparently the city was 5x bigger originally. Personally, I feel they should have gone for districts separated by loadscreens.

>>724131608
You getting filtered by a good game because you're a stupid zoomer with the attention span of a goldfish is not indicative of the general experience.

>>724131848
Nobody said Bloodlines 1 was a bad game, just as nobody said Bloodlines 2 is a bad game. They're flawed games. Saying that a game falls apart after 3 hours isn't calling it bad.

>>724131880
>just as nobody said Bloodlines 2 is a bad game
Bloodlines 2 IS a bad game.

>>724131512
Bullshit. Try playing the game as a Nosferatu, Malkavian or Tremere. The experience changes drastically and that's what makes it replayable among also being a great experience.

>>724113156
>Good writing.
Fuck no. It has a decent enough idea for a story, but the whole intrigue hangs by a thread and only works because every NPC is retarded.
>Good music.
Eh, fair enough.
>Combat is good, if poorly explained.
Fuck no, post-2.0 Cyberpunk blows this game's combat and gameplay out of the water.

>>724131940
He's never played the game at all, so he has no idea what you're talking about. He's a paid Indian shill.

>>724131880
>just as nobody said Bloodlines 2 is a bad game
People in this very thread said that and you said Bloodlines was bad to cope, fuck off, it flopped. Whatever they pay you to do this shit is not worth it. Its fucking Friday night and the game hasn't gone beyond 30,000 players and it has less each day.

>>724131880
>just as nobody said Bloodlines 2 is a bad game
I do.

It's not flawed, it's mediocre unreal engine combat with some shitty story and some ok locations.

Bloodlines 2 is not a flawed game, it's a bad game. Usually i give the benefit of the doubt to you absolute fucking retards but this time you tranny like delusions are not support by anyone, the game flopped, the game has 5k players on a Friday and Chinese room is going to shut down.

What do you gain by acting insane like that? Honestly?

>>724131916
>>724132029
>>724132035
The original game is boomer slop that's carried by nostalgia lol Bloodlines 2 is better in every way

>>724131993
Not Indian, he is too invested in this and Paradox doesn't have the dosh for that. He is most likely some community management fag that was made to pull double duty here and on reddit.

>>724131993
No I think he's just an idiot who wants to be the smartest kid in the room.

>>724105635
This actually made the character so much better for me. I had a player in my VtM games do the same thing. If you put a sunglass on Phyre, game became half as cringe.

>>724096227
>functional, informative, not cluttered
That's all you ever need in a menu.
>b-but it looks like another thing I played
Not a real issue. Quit being a primadona.

>>724132094
I first played the game a few years ago. No nostalgia. You are a thirty something year old man larping as a teenager. Fuck off and find a bridge to jump from.

>>724132094
Zoomers are not going to buy bloodlines masquerade 2, you can't do anything to save it. It's a bad game, Bloodlines 1 the flawed masterpiece and it will be for life.

>>724112013
Yeah, everything about Safia does come off as needlessly convoluted ploting to the point I am willing to believe her story was much different early on.
Also, there is this elephant in the room of her being a Tremere, because that opens another can of worms as to why for almost a hundred years NOBODY in the Pyramid bothered to check what's going on with their apprentice that is starting to behave weirdly. Because Tremere absolutely aren't paranoid as fuck about every sign of dissent. And at that point, Tremere were at the height of their power.
Her being a loyal Tremere and then getting replaced shortly before the game starts suddently makes a lot more sense, because before the now weaknend and scattered Tremere of 2024 figure out that one of their own is dead, the imposter's plan would be in a full swing.

>>724131993
>Bot
>indian Shill
>reddit circlejerk insane tranny

All of them are possible. I think it's a tranny because his posts are not sound at all and trannies/leftists do be like that.

>>724132254
You think he's the same fag that pulls his pants down at the urinal?

>>724096227
>>724096337
agreed
i looked at this and thought it was hogwarts legacy

>>724120857
Yes, but apparently, her adventure with Sabbat started way, way earlier when the Tremere *weren't* scattered.

I find it funny that modern gaming is effectively selling you prototypes since they're too slopified to even call them tech demos considering we only ever get tech regression in modern gaming and this game has so little content to it that you could've have just removed everything but the cutscenes and missed absolutely nothing. Nothing in the world to explore or see or do, just 6 different npcs in the snow. you paid money for 6 npcs walking around with the most basic bitch path finding even my 5 year old son could figure out how to recreate in unity, and some cutscenes and then try to have a conversation around the game? Like nah bro, you're a bot if you think this game is even worth discussing its so nothingburger.

this game does no have a fov slider
it looks barely passable

>>724132487
You can enable it with a mod but it gives the game a weird CRTv tube effect, it's revolting.

On the bright side, RTX soon for bloodlines 1

>>724132652
eeeeeeewwwww

>>724132674
i mean dude lmao

>>724132775
what a fucking traversty

>>724132652
What Bloodlines 1 needs are better character models and animations. Because it has the same problem as Morrowind. You can make the game enviroments look stunning, but the models are still those barely-animated, stilted abominations.

>>724132850
not really but ok

I got the Anarch ending all because I was banking on Ryong to survive. I tried to betray Lou because she was clearly insane, and she was an old fossil who was more of a hindrance than a help.

>>724131320
>THERE IS A LOT OF SEWER/DUNGEON/CAVE DOWN THERE
I wish someone would say that to the PC in a video game with overemphasis and an nudge with an elbow.

And if you respond with "okay" they say WHAT I MEAN IS YOU PROBABLY WANT TO BRING A LUNCH AND GO TO THE BATHROOM FIRST. And it just never pseudo-breaks the fourth wall again. Or maybe a later character says, "I heard you went down into the sewers, I hope you brought lunch." after you learned it was an unholy slog filled with skeleton-dogs that breathe fire and won't die.

is the game okay

>>724133389
No it's not, Annie.

>>724133232
>lou gets tossed out a window the end
incredible game

>>724133389
no

>>724133389
I had fun with it, and it's mostly because I'm such a faggot for the VTM setting and materials.

>>724133389
it's horrible

>>724133493
if I liked to rp as a vampire in hollywood in the old game would I like it

>>724132359
>>724096337
I thought it was an Assassin's Creed game.

>>724096138 (OP)
His name is uncool. I mean come ON. I could never respect a fictional character named like that. Fire with a P-H and Y? No. Go back to Gaia online and try again

Hardsuit Labs made BlackLight Retribution. Not a bad shooter but come on they couldn't even keep updates on that going. And that crap was free. Still is. Why trust them with THIS?

>>724133558
There not much RP in this game, but you do feel like a god among everything around you who are literally children in your eyes as you are 600 years old trashing everything as an elder vampire.

>>724133389
It's better than i expected considering its development. I pirated it though.

l m a o

>>724098770
>slavery was for sure bad
>but this similar alternate to slave labor? it's was actually super vital (and still is)
Why are they like this?

>>724133672
And then you come across two thinbloods with baseball bats and they kick your shit in.
And then Lou starts ordering you around like you are her personal errand boy.
And then you get played by literally every idiot Kindred in Seattle.
No, Phyre definately doesn't feel like an Elder.

>>724128947
Yes, actually. Hope you've been keeping up with your militia training.

>>724113156
they should pay you less.

>>724134074
Having just done an underground Seattle tour there is a bit of that white guilt in the tour. The devs probably went for reference. Indentured servitude is better than slavery though because you can pay off your debt after a long time and your kids aren't owned by your debtor.

>>724134124
>>724113156
>trooncasing

mentally

unstable

reddit

tranny

lmao

>>724123986
>on this episode of 4channel, "anon" defends a recognized violent terrorist group that exists and is justified by "anon" cause people called them mean names on the internet and made fun of them
>is he a retard
>or is he merely, pretending
>find out more at 11.

The Sabbat with their organization built like a dark death cult version of Catholicism with an anti-pope and bishops, the ones who lean into the supernatural nature WoD and the mythologies of the bible and the antediluvians, the ones who shaved off their humanity and embrace the idea of being predators and monsters instead of parasites like the Camarilla, and embrace a dark enlightenment understanding that they are evil and damned is so fucking cool bros. It's a shame that we will never get a game centered around them.

>>724135132
Fuck you, boomer.
Play anarchs instead. You like anarchs, right? Everybody should like anarchs.

What a way to ruin the bloodlines 1 thread and to kill any interest for bloodlines 2, i mean there was barely any but now it's 0

>>724128869
anon, half this thread are raiders trying to bait anons into sperging out and defending woke games.

>>724123697
a modern day antifa member is just as likely to oppose a facist regime as a modern day neo nazi is to have white children

>>724133451
Defenestration shouldn't work on vampires, should it?

>>724130308
>drops his pants at urinals
>has sex with men
>probably a bottom, so you know hes pozzed as fuck
>cant handle the bantz cause he's weak and effete.

>>724123697
No- You are nothing more than THUGS who just want to hurt people, and you label your victims as nazis just so you can pretend to feel justified. Fuck you.