Thread 724111409

What went wrong?

>>724111409 (OP)
Didn't add manga characters

>>724111604
but they did from the canon one by toriyama, or were you really expecting that fanfic to be relevant?

>>724111409 (OP)
Super happened and got included.

The gameplay sucks
there's no weight to any of the animations and the camera and feel and everything is all wrong
just look at tenkaichi 3 gameplay and look at not only how polished it is but how it truly looks feels and sounds like the show itself come to life
all of the gamefeel is completely off in sparking zero and it feels like the shovelware that it is

>>724111409 (OP)
Combat is shit
Models look hideous
Hardly any new content post release
Modern DB sucks

>Didn't add pic related gradually in order to build up goodwill for the skeptics when they're still in the game's data
>Gameplay is considerably off compared to BT3
>What-if scenarios are weak and the 'robust' scene creator like the shills last year were boasting about was pure shit, making the actual what-ifs trash as a result
>Gohan Black isn't playable, goes back into the what-ifs being trash. A simple addition like that could go a long way
>DLC leaned heavily on Daima, nothing inbetween like fan favorites or newcomers like Drum, Bojack's henchmen, some of Heroes' characters or Trunks (GT) and Goten (GT) and Adult Gotenks to name a few.
If you want to know what a potentially great roster looks like for a BT successor, Heroes did it a decade ago. Remove the exclusive stuff from Heroes and you still have a 200+ roster to play with, and it predated Super.

>>724111604
They just announced more DLC is coming a few weeks ago

>>724111604
Good, the manga is fanfiction tier shit and toyopaco needs to be fired already.

>>724113142
>>Didn't add pic related gradually in order to build up goodwill for the skeptics when they're still in the game's data
Are they?
The only ones "in the game's data" are Kaioshin, a standard Oozaru, and that's about it.

>>724113554
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/691552710/#691558103
This initial post links to a twitter screenshot that mentions cut characters. Some of the models are still in-game, just not playable. But all of the missing characters are on that list, and the transformations are under said ID slots.

>>724111409 (OP)
The combat just feels really strange. I played BT3 and Sparking Zero recently, and while they are very similar Sparking Zero has little changes that throw off the whole thing. Rush attacks can hit when the opponent is lying flat on the ground, that's fucking OP. Jumping ki blasts ruined. Mechanics don't let you reposition yourself very quickly. Attacks have very fast animations and all feel very light, there was this satisfaction to attacks in BT3 that Sparking Zero is missing. There's a lot more to it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UReBIiJcZ3g
Between the mechanics and lack of modes, Sparking Zero just kind of sucks in general. It has some cool mods but BT3 is the more fun game.

Zero single player content and the story mode AI is way too hard.
Basically Namco totally misread the audience and thought that people wanted a hardcore FGC fighter when they just want a fun game to goof around in. And of course the funny part is that it sucked as a "serious" fighter too, see the Android 19 fiasco.

I NEVER PLAYED BUDOKAI TENKAICHI FOR THE MULTIPLAYER BANDAI, YOU SACK OF RETARDS!!
They saw what Naruto was doing and were afraid because they had nothing that could compete in the same market, and just conveniently remembered that they had one of the most memorable arena battle franchises in history, but removed everything that made it popular in the first place.
They fucked the tournament mode by removing the failsafes, when in the original BT if you fell you had a chance to recover before landing. This mechanic was affected by your health, so you had to make a choice on whether you wanted to defeat your opponent in straight combat, weaken them or go for a quick kill, which could only be performed with a slow heavy attack. You know. Strategy.
They crippled the customization, didn't add the battle 100 mode (which I enjoyed a lot in BT Tag Team) and removed one of the gamemodes because ??? (Raid battles)
It has already been a year, and you can tell that a part of the team really gave a shit about it with the amount of details they added, so it doesn't make sense that so much was removed. So I assume that it was rushed by Bandai or they had an awful director.
Fuck.

>>724113170
If it's just charaters, then it's not going to save the game. There are no modes besides ranked.

>>724113142
>making the actual what-ifs trash as a result
It really wouldn't be so bad, if they would just add a search feature to make finding phrases easier and remove all of the restrictions on what nouns can be used for what phrases.
There's some gameplay stuff they could implement like forced beam struggles and clashes, but the single biggest issue is how abysmal it is to create the dialogue.

>>724114767
What happened with the Android 19 fiasco? I know he was cheesy at launch but that's it.

>>724111409 (OP)
>story mode sucks
>multiplayer sucks
>create-a-scenario sucks
>no stages
>no costumes
>no attachments
>missing characters from bt3/rb
>barely any dragon ball characters
>barely any gt characters
>overabundance of super shit
>shitty dlc
There's a lot more but ultimately it's the same story as with Kakarot and pretty much ever other anime tie-in game from Bandai. It needed another year or two in development but Bandai clearly rushed the game out the door because they don't give a shit.

They should just release Infinite World or Budokai 3 but with online. No new characters, please. Z Goku transforming into GT SSJ4 is good enough.

>>724111409 (OP)
Its yet another copy/paste 3D anime arena fighter with the skin of the shonen anime they've licensed thrown on top, except its dragonball so they had the edge of massive nostalgia pandering to the millenial crowd who grew up playing tenkaichi and watching it on toonami. Gameplay is mindless button mashing, zero depth. Game is nothing but a big marketing ploy for more nu-dragonball slop and yet another dragonball DLC farm like every other dragonball game out these days. I said before this game came out it was going to be complete and utter mindless anime arena fighter slop and wow, what a shock, I was right.

>>724115002 (Me)
Ok, I may have forgotten that Xenoverse and Kakarot existed before posting this, but thinking about it I had an awful thought. Did they change it because they didn't want to step on their own toes with the other games? Xenoverse being their golden goose for years with the alt history focused singleplayer games with character creation, and Kakarot being their story retelling so SZ had nothing to focus on but the multiplayer?
But that wouldn't make sense, right? Right?

They focused on a lot of characters and forgot about the rest.

There's no modes. People who play anime arena fighters are the most unfun people to play against, so there was no fucking way this was going to live off of online alone.

>>724115161
>Bamco decided to host a tournament
>this happens
https://youtube.com/shorts/zP8ik6SDEo4?si=mwTXQvw0iqnjqCMZ

Going back to what I said about how these games shouldn't be focused on online because the community of anime arena fighters is really bad.

>>724111409 (OP)
The focus on super slop

>>724111409 (OP)
Awful post-release content, and a lot of the existing content doesn't live up to its full potential. Super Hero should've been in the base game, and Daima brings minimal hype. Shallot was kind of cool, but it feels like the game is getting very slow DLC drops. The custom scene creator needs a search bar or something, because navigating all the different text options is a nightmare.
Also, only about half the story modes feel like they live up to their potential. I'd buy more What-If content on Day 1

Game is still a solid 8/10 for me, I like it more than XV slop any day of the week, but I dont play Ranked that much. I mostly do Custom Battles and matches with my friends when they're on. I think people got too fixated on "muh balance" and forgot that you can make games where X is just drastically better than Y and have it still be fun. Yajirobe's senzu bean should've never been nerfed btw

>>724113170
Packs or single characters?

>>724114767
>story mode AI is way too hard.
Slight correction, Story Mode AI is hard when you fight them head on.
If you cheese by not approaching and charging into Sparking, then you just smack them around mindlessly with the rush combo.
Was like the only fucking possible way to beat some of the ridiculous hidden timers for the alternate paths.

The AI just really sucks at fighting if you are not the one coming to them

>>724111409 (OP)
nothing. it did what it set out to do which is to be a sequel to the budokai tenkaichi games. and it is mid as fuck just like them.

>>724115109
I don't give a shit. I'm happy they're making more characters in the first place

>>724121486
Have some standards, if the base game is busted, more characters aren't going to save it.

PvP is just inherently ruined from how Super Counters are not difficult enough to do, cost nothing to use, and lead to a Vanish War.
If you win neutral you will rarely get past the start of a combo on a decent opponent and its just so boring.

>>724124362
SSJ4 Gogeta is the peak of Dragon Ball and the most GOAT of designs.

To be honest it's just not a very good game. It's a step down from Budokai Tenkaichi 3 and the only thing they really got correct was pre-match and post-match what-if dialogue.

We've seen this game before and it doesn't bring nearly as much to the table as it should have. And the game is missing major characters like Super 17 and yet we get DBS 17. Such a confusing game. I prefer Xenoverse 2 which is a statement I'd never thought I'd make.

You are better off playing the Budokai Tenkaichi 4 fan mod.

Horrendously imbalanced. Not in a "oh no shit of course UI goku beats krillin" way, but a "Yajirobe has infinite heals and can stall a match infinitely" kind of way. A "Any character can just infinitely set up dodges clashes and burn you out" kinda way.

The multiplayer they tried to make into some sort of "esport" was turbofucked from day 1 and it took them a long ass time to fix it.
The singleplayer was ass, completely cutting out several fights for characters like fucking vegeta. For what purpose, and to what end? None. There was none.
The custom battle editor is really really restrictive and when people tried to break it and post some cool battles that were semi-modded (but not really cause you could still access them with just a regular ass code and no downloads) they were banning people. Stupid as fuck.

No gohan black being playable is probably the craziest fucking thing, as it is made clear, by the people breaking those custom scene editors, that he is fully playable. He has his own skillset, full animations, etc. Why on earth wouldn't they include him as a playable char?

They clearly didn't like the initial sales, and just redoubled focus on xv2 and kakarot, and apparently fighterz lmao

Too many Golus
Bad multiplayer