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Anonymous No.724163119 [Report] >>724163254 >>724163256 >>724163317 >>724163659 >>724163724 >>724163943 >>724164120 >>724164709 >>724164849 >>724165391 >>724165669 >>724167043 >>724167261 >>724167557 >>724169841 >>724171283 >>724175515 >>724175856 >>724176179
It's okay to admit you love Pokemon again.
Anonymous No.724163168 [Report] >>724176179
I having anti-Nintendo fatigue
Anonymous No.724163254 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
I love Pokemon
Anonymous No.724163256 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
>again
Digimon has been superior since day 1. I have always hated Pokemon more than anything else in this life. Your games are dogshit, your television show is worse than dogshit and there is nothing redeemable whatsoever about anything related to Pokemon. Digimon reigns supreme. Go fuck yourself.
Anonymous No.724163317 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
why? did they remake gen 1/2 again?
Anonymous No.724163434 [Report]
i have switch 2 fatigue
Anonymous No.724163659 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
Why did you post a picture of the worst playing pokemon game in actual decades
Anonymous No.724163724 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
LOL
Anonymous No.724163943 [Report] >>724172057
>>724163119 (OP)
I do love Pokemon. which is why this comes from the heart. Game Freak needs to lose it's ownership of the franchise. They clearly don't fucking care about the franchise outside of it making them billions of dollars every 2 years. Every new game from them bastardizes the franchise and Z-A is no different.
I hate on the franchise out of love for what it was and could have been and not what it has become.
Anonymous No.724164120 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
Digimon won
Anonymous No.724164709 [Report] >>724165054 >>724165445 >>724165465 >>724166762 >>724168736 >>724169909 >>724169996 >>724171648 >>724171723 >>724172629 >>724174596
>>724163119 (OP)
Pokemon Fucking Lost KEK
Anonymous No.724164849 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
Love pokemon by loving the game thats made for wannabe xenoblade fans that never liked Pokémon. Lmao okay op
Anonymous No.724165054 [Report]
>>724164709
Based DigiChads
Anonymous No.724165281 [Report]
hopefully they will have enough budget for the next game to put multiple cities and wilderness into the game, kinda like a AAA game
Anonymous No.724165391 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
I don't. The last time Pokemon was consistently good was 2012. Legends Arceus was fine, but SV was shit which I admittedly liked, doesn't make it good
Anonymous No.724165445 [Report]
>>724164709
Obvious review bombing from people who didn’t play the game. More forced outrage caused by YouTubers.
Anonymous No.724165465 [Report] >>724165654
>>724164709
wow

how many copies did that review score sell?
Anonymous No.724165517 [Report]
There's usually three reasons why video game boycotts often fail
1. Brand Recognition
2. Most people around the world aren't aware of or don't give a shit about the online discourse surrounding the game
3. People participating in the boycott betray themselves to the FOMO and expect others to keep up the good fight on their behalf while they shamefully play the game in secret
Anonymous No.724165610 [Report]
>XY sequel
>doesn't bring back SKATES
Fucking dogshit game, firebomb gamefreak.
Anonymous No.724165654 [Report] >>724165736 >>724166253
>>724165465
Both games made profit.
Difference is digimon will keep making high quality games and pokemon will continue shitting out slop.
Anonymous No.724165669 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
I've been loving it again since Legends Arceus.
The team delivered once again with Z-A
Anonymous No.724165736 [Report]
>>724165654
>digimon
>profit

lmao
Anonymous No.724165781 [Report] >>724166245
Still buying it.
Anonymous No.724165784 [Report] >>724172263
If anything i hate it more and i won't care about Pokemon anymore, if people want to keep slurping pokeshit sure, have it your way, just hope you pokefags learn covering your ears and screaming is not a good counter argument when people call out major flaws and saying shit like ''but you still bought it!'' is not the own you think it is.
Anonymous No.724166102 [Report] >>724166385 >>724166727 >>724170540
PLA > PLZA > SV > SuMo > SwSh > XY
Anonymous No.724166231 [Report]
I think they realized they were fucked with the old formula when they spent all that time on Gen 7's engine, used it for Sword and Shield, and the game both looked and played like shit. I'm glad they've been trying to figure out a more open style of game design since.
Anonymous No.724166245 [Report] >>724166281
>>724165781
You are retarded, we know
Anonymous No.724166253 [Report]
>>724165654
>digimon
>keep making high quality games
Nigga are you smoking crack? If you said DQM or something, sure. But fucking Digimon? C'mon.
Anonymous No.724166281 [Report]
>>724166245
We don't sign our posts here.
Anonymous No.724166385 [Report] >>724166757
>>724166102
Haven't finished ZA yet but I'd put it above Arceus, about 15 hours in. Rest I agree with. Hate how people retroactively white wash SuMo's quality so much.
Anonymous No.724166727 [Report] >>724167786 >>724167913
>>724166102
I haven't played any since Ruby, give me a quick rundown of what I've missed.
Anonymous No.724166757 [Report] >>724168016
>>724166385
SuMo would be the best 3D Pokemon by a fucking mile if
>Less cutscenes, more in-world optional dialogue.
>Remove most invisible walls/progress gating per island
>Ultra was integrated as a campaign rebalance with a post-game sequel story instead of fucking up the existing story.

But these things aren't the case, so it's mid and really hard to replay. Desperately waiting for Gen 7 hacking tools: if nobody else fixes it, I will. It's insane how close it is to being excellent.
Anonymous No.724166762 [Report]
>>724164709
4.6 is too high
Anonymous No.724167043 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
Haven't been able to finish a single Pokemon game after vanilla S/M. Not even the supposedly good Legends Arceus.
Don't think this franchise is for me anymore.
Anonymous No.724167135 [Report]
No. In fact this game makes me hate those that enjoy Pokemon games.
Anonymous No.724167261 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
it's wild to me that people don't just play a single pokemon game and feel like they already had their fill, they instead keep buying and playing the same trash over and over
Anonymous No.724167468 [Report]
I talk shit of gamefreak and love pokemon at the same time
Anonymous No.724167557 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
This pic makes me want to break something.
Anonymous No.724167595 [Report] >>724171835
This lazy cash-in made me hate the series more than anything. The fans definitely didn't help, considering their obsession with pedophilic pornography, sales spam, and general famitsu filth.
Anonymous No.724167786 [Report] >>724167913 >>724168547
>>724166727
Gen 4 tried to be more like Johto: slow, play a bit per day progression with timegated in game events (think Bug Catching Contest or Radio shows). Combat massively rebalanced to make most Pokemon at least usable.

Gen 5 streamlined the game into fully linear progression, but tried to tie that to more density per area and optional side areas. First version made you use only new mons, second mixed in the existing ones. BW2 in particular has a really strong post game. The translation quality is weirdly bad but the writing was much better than usual. Introduced infinite use TMs.

Gen 6 introduced 3D game engine, but still played like the 2D ones. HEAVY Kanto pandering and the game is so painfully unbalanced that you have to handicap yourself to enjoy it. Started each generation getting a gimmick mode for your monsters: this one was "Mega" forms, which act like short term evolutions that power monsters up. Awful writing. Added Fairy type and the multiplayer finally felt actually well balanced. Singleplayer post game is gutted, so game feels empty. This is the start of HMs getting phased out.

Gen 7 was hyper linear and story driven to the point the game barely lets you play it. Actually pretty good writing and areas, it's just a shame it handholds you so hard until postgame, which is still kinda barren. Monsters show up on field now, but are also in grass as fully random battles. HMs replaced by buddy monsters on the field entirely.
Anonymous No.724167913 [Report] >>724168547 >>724169248
>>724166727
>>724167786
Gen 8 is more Gen 7, but slightly less handholdey and with a (bad) attempt at designing open 3D areas full of monsters. They stopped honoring their commitment to keep every Pokemon playable starting here. Game was cobbled together in 9 months and it shows. Cool ideas, bad execution. You have access to you Pokemon box at all times now.

Legends Arceus was the big design shift. Pokemon now works in a real time 3D world. Monsters are not random. There is no separate battle screen anymore, so you can just lob a ball and catch a min before fights begin. Still turn based, but aggro wild Pokemon can attack YOU, so you have dodge rolls. Very exploration/capture focused.

Gen 9 is PLA in mainline form. Open world, your mons hang out with you, and game progress is 3 independent storylines that meet at the end. Very jank and ugly, but it works.

Z-A is Arceus but with real time combat, set in one city at huge scale. Focus on explore and battle over catch. A lot of good ideas but a bit undercooked.
Anonymous No.724168016 [Report] >>724168486
>>724166757
People already reminisce about them like those flaws aren't there. Nostalgia came fast.
Anonymous No.724168486 [Report]
>>724168016
They were the best 3D games until PLA happened just a few years ago, and their flaws are really minor compared to their contemporaries: arguably even compared to the new ones.

It sucks that the game is so replay-unfriendly, but most people don't replay Pokemon anyway and it was the single shining star in nearly a *full decade* of releases. Some kids went from elementary school to college with Sun & Moon being "the good one" that whole time. I get the nostalgia. I just want it to get the fix it deserves, the way Gens 1-3 did.
Anonymous No.724168547 [Report] >>724168741
>>724167786
>>724167913
huh, I guess maybe I'll check out the platinum/whatever on my deck then
Anonymous No.724168736 [Report] >>724170747
>>724164709
Pokemon - 6 million sales
Digimon - 600 sales
Anonymous No.724168741 [Report] >>724168989
>>724168547
Platinum, Black or White, and Black 2 or White 2 are absolutely worth your time if you liked the early games. Everything after is not as good and up to what you value. I rec taking a glance at each and see if they're for you. Personally, I'd say take a gander at Sun/Moon if you want a story, Ultra Sun/Moon if you want the hardest Pokemon game, Arceus if you like Snap and open world games, and Z-A if you like Yakuza or Xenoblade.
Anonymous No.724168989 [Report] >>724169605
>>724168741
I absolutely do not care about the story, it's all a trapping to give you a "rival" and a recognizable antagonist force anyway. I found the first 3 gens plenty linear already, so I'll probably skip b/w if they're even more limited.
Anonymous No.724169248 [Report] >>724169721
>>724167913
>Z-A is Arceus but with real time combat
And with all of the mechanics and level design they innovated completely gutted out to make the combat system the entire focal point of the game
Anonymous No.724169605 [Report] >>724169804 >>724169908 >>724170092 >>724170627
>>724168989
BW's approach is that the journey is linear, but the routes aren't just straight lines. A lot of them are like this one, where you have two paths and then a junction, an optional dungeon, then another split.

I prefer the more open design, but I wouldn't write it off for the path being linear, because it still gives you choices and stuff to come back to. 6, 7 and 8 are all way worse about this.
Anonymous No.724169721 [Report] >>724170767
>>724169248
>all of the mechanics and level design they innovated completely gutted out
Could you elaborate on this?
Anonymous No.724169804 [Report]
>>724169605
*Meant to type "two or three paths".
Like in this route, you can do the bike obstacle course, fight trainers, or deal with the high encounter rate in the grass. Then you get the tower as an optional dungeon before getting another choice on how you want to proceed.
sage No.724169841 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
Not really.
Anonymous No.724169908 [Report] >>724170098 >>724170252 >>724170416
>>724169605
this does not look sufficiently different from a normal route to me, if anything the "optional dungeon" is code for cave of unknown bullshit that I'm going to ignore because there isn't a zapdos to catch in there
Anonymous No.724169909 [Report]
>>724164709
Digimon Won
Anonymous No.724169996 [Report] >>724171805
>>724164709
>trusting review bombing
Anonymous No.724170092 [Report]
>>724169605
I always liked how the grass looked in BW.
Anonymous No.724170098 [Report] >>724170352
>>724169908
>code for cave of unknown bullshit
It's more like your Pokemon Tower or Power Plant equivalent. One of them is the only place you can get the pseudo-legendary, another has a boss fight in the post game for a level 70 fire monster.

If you're dead set on a lack of town junctions being a deal breaker that's fine, but BW is really good.
Anonymous No.724170252 [Report] >>724170416 >>724170627
>>724169908
Anonymous No.724170352 [Report]
>>724170098
>lack of town junctions
I'm not sure what this means. I'm just saying what you've described sounds basically like normal pokemon stuff and the map you posted looks like a normal pokemon route, except there are more gimmicks for getting avoiding trainers, which I don't do anyway
Anonymous No.724170416 [Report] >>724170627
>>724169908
>>724170252
Anonymous No.724170540 [Report] >>724170704
>>724166102
PLA > SuMo > ORAS > PLZA > SV > LGPE > XY > SwSh > BDSP

Only actively disliked BDSP, but I also only would say I greatly enjoyed the first three.
Anonymous No.724170627 [Report] >>724170908
>>724170416
>>724170252
>>724169605
again, this seems like the kind of minor autistic difference you'd only really notice if you've kept playing these games the last twenty years, but I haven't.
Anonymous No.724170704 [Report]
>>724170540
>Sun/Moon over PLZA
I kinda get it?
>ORAS over PLZA
Yeah I don't get that at all.
Anonymous No.724170747 [Report]
>>724168736
>6 mil depressed sickos that escaped from mental asylum
>600k highly intelligent and fully functioning gentlemen that don't need to use game as a lifeline to not rope
Know the difference
Anonymous No.724170767 [Report] >>724171439
>>724169721
In PLA, catching pokemon was the focus, even without having to battle
To that end there was free ball throwing, throwable items with a crafting system, and a stealth system, that you could apply strategically to sneak attack capture any pokemon in the game's open wilderness that had them moving around and interacting in a way that vaguely approached what passes for a realistic ecology on gamefreak's poverty budget

ZA wants you to just be fighting, so removed the throwable items, dumbed ball throwing down to just using your lock-on, gives you a chance to catch a fainted pokemon, prevents you from throwing more than a couple balls, and places you in severely cramped areas with not much opportunity for stealth that has you often fighting off entire groups of 2-8 pokemon all at once
Also I'm not sure if they dumbed down catch chance, but now it shows you a meter of between one and four pips that represent it, which seems incredibly streamlined given everything that should contribute to it
Some of those changes were necessary to stop stealth spamming from being so broken, but now you basically don't do it at all outside of the early game. You can now sneak attack with your pokemon which would retain some of the use against harder to catch pokemon, but that only really gives you a tangible benefit against trainers
Anonymous No.724170908 [Report] >>724171079
>>724170627
Why do you have such a strong opinion about how the game being more linear is bad but you think it's autistic to point out the routes in the game are generally way bigger and have more going on?
Anonymous No.724171079 [Report] >>724171715
>>724170908
You're the one who said it was more linear. I assumed that meant you couldn't do gyms out of order, not that there was a house or an island offscreen, because they have always had stuff off to the side like that.
Anonymous No.724171167 [Report] >>724171767 >>724171867 >>724175659
What happened, did we go back in time to gen 4/5? Did the entire Gamefreak staff get fired and replaced with competent game devs who were given a proper budget and more than a year to develop their next game?
Anonymous No.724171283 [Report] >>724171658
>>724163119 (OP)
Yes i do now <3
Thanks pokemon for validate my fetish in your game <3
Anonymous No.724171439 [Report] >>724171690
>>724170767
I do think removing thrown items, crafting and motion throwing was gay and stupid.
I don't see the last chance mechanic or the limited throws as bad things. One is the game encouraging you not to lame it out while still not making it a freebie (only one chance), and the other is balance correction of spamming.

I also don't really agree with the level design complaint. The visual design is worse, but a lot of Arceus's wilderness is kinda shit. About half of the wild zones and battle zones have smart level design for encouraging the player to use corners, scenery and elevation. The other half are ass, but a big chunk of Hisui was just kinda "empty spot but here's some grass to hide in, champ."

I get liking Arceus more, but I think Z-A is more a side grade than downgrade.
Anonymous No.724171648 [Report]
>>724164709
Anonymous No.724171658 [Report]
>>724171283
>bulge
Oh! My! God! Fuck yeah!
Anonymous No.724171690 [Report] >>724171801
>>724171439
I mean there's also the bit where ZA's combat is absolute dog ass you have ridiculously minor control over for fights that are still balanced to end in a couple 'turns' which now is about 10 seconds of mashing attack buttons, and that's the core of the game
Anonymous No.724171715 [Report] >>724173406
>>724171079
You couldn't do the gyms out of order in Ruby, either, dude. They forced you on a boat to Brawly after beating Roxanne and made Flannery unreachable until you get Wattson, and gate Norman behind all four, then Winona gates off Tate & Liz who gate off Walter.

It just means the world map doesn't branch at cities. There's only two point at BW1 where cities have a third exit, and those both lead to post game areas.
Anonymous No.724171723 [Report]
>>724164709
This has been such a great year
Anonymous No.724171767 [Report]
>>724171167
No?
Anonymous No.724171801 [Report] >>724172283
>>724171690
I mean I could also be really uncharitable about Pokemon and point out you steamroll it by just selecting the two best moves your starter has until the game is over, but that's not sporting.
Anonymous No.724171805 [Report]
>>724169996
Yeah, I would never do that
Anonymous No.724171835 [Report] >>724172002
>>724167595
All these pokemon threads have the same schizo always bitching about famitsu. No one cares faggot, stop lurking those threads.
Anonymous No.724171867 [Report]
>>724171167
>more than a year to develop their next game?
I mean that part happened. Z-A was supposed to be holiday 2024.

But no, they just stopped giving a fuck what fans think and started trying new shit.
Anonymous No.724172002 [Report]
>>724171835
You guys go into every other thread and gloat over how much pokemon sold. Don't get angry when people call you out.
Anonymous No.724172057 [Report]
>>724163943
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IQHjhBq7cwE
Anonymous No.724172263 [Report] >>724172703
>>724165784
at this point all a pokemon release is to me is a uptick in funny shitposts like this.
Anonymous No.724172283 [Report] >>724172621
>>724171801
It's less that the game is just easy, it's that it feels insubstantial
You're less engaged with the pokemon themselves, if that makes sense
Removing abilities doesn't help with that, but obviously that would be too much to think about in the 5 second span from a pokemon being sent out to being knocked out, especially when little billy has a hard enough time juggling type advantage in that time frame
Anonymous No.724172621 [Report] >>724172996
>>724172283
I think the whole point of the system is that it forces human error. It's less precise than turn based and compensates with speed and the inability for anyone to keep it all in attention at once.

Boiling it down to just mashing is really disingenuous. I think it could be better, but I also think it's good. Forced me to engage when I refused to level just one group of monsters and get over levelled. PvP is fun.
Anonymous No.724172629 [Report]
>>724164709
Get fucked PokeFags
Anonymous No.724172703 [Report]
>>724172263
>They went from Mario 64 to Gmod in just two years.
Next game will be Oblivion.
Anonymous No.724172996 [Report] >>724173431
>>724172621
The 'whole point' only ever even theoretically coming into play when switching is kinda my point
There's a reason the climax of the story is also an experimental meme boss which tries as hard as it can to overwhelm you with a two-on-one with extreme stacked zoning abilities that you can't generally dodge while keeping the attack up- instead of anything like a normal pokemon battle which doesn't ever require you to do that and would again be over in half a minute
Anonymous No.724173250 [Report]
I liked it. Whatchu gonna do about it.
Anonymous No.724173406 [Report] >>724173580
>>724171715
>You couldn't do the gyms out of order in Ruby, either, dude.
There's a good reason I stopped playing them after that!
>It just means the world map doesn't branch at cities.
That's fine I guess, I remember Ruby feeling very small compared to G/S and even maybe a bit more limited than R/B. I never played Emerald.
Anonymous No.724173431 [Report] >>724173775
>>724172996
>only ever even theoretically coming into play when switching is kinda my point
Huh? It comes into play very fast when an opponent has an attack that hits harder or farther than you expected or the AI times blocks on your non Plus move. I don't think the theoretical design perfection of a real time system is as important as if it works. In single player it's engaging so long as you don't over level. In PvP so far it's been pretty good. Calling it mashing is disingenuous and you're not really explaining how it's bad in practice, just gesturing at the fact that some aspects are unlike the old system.
Anonymous No.724173580 [Report] >>724173808
>>724173406
>There's a good reason I stopped playing them after that!
You'd probably like PLA.
Anonymous No.724173775 [Report] >>724174051
>>724173431
My biggest complaint with the pvp is you can't really "lose" unless you get last place and do literally nothing so you get A as long as you aren't COMPLETELY useless
Anonymous No.724173808 [Report]
>>724173580
If it had come out earlier in the DS lifespan I probably would have, but I didn't really use mine much after the PSP came out.
Anonymous No.724174051 [Report]
>>724173775
If you think about it, that's the entire premise of the game
The Z-A Royale is structured so perfectly wrong that it's the exact opposite of a tournament. On a long enough timescale, only one perfect loser wouldn't be able to reach A rank
Anonymous No.724174174 [Report]
when is pkhex getting an update? i need all my mons to be alpha massive
Anonymous No.724174596 [Report] >>724174808 >>724174973 >>724175169
>>724164709
Digimon won. Palworld won. Pokecattle lost.
Anonymous No.724174808 [Report]
>>724174596
>Slopkémon has become so bad, it's even below Digislop now.
The mighty truly have fallen.
Anonymous No.724174973 [Report] >>724175316
>>724174596
okay okay but seriously nobody has ever played digimon
Anonymous No.724175169 [Report]
>>724174596
Based and Truthpilled
Anonymous No.724175316 [Report]
>>724174973
Only retards believe this
Anonymous No.724175515 [Report] >>724175678 >>724175827
>>724163119 (OP)
>$70 base game + $30 dlc + tax + battlepass + tariffs + tip
>for ps3 tier game with 0 soul
>poketroons just eat it up, with absolutely 0 reservations
I HATE THE POKETROON ANTI-CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous No.724175640 [Report] >>724175951 >>724176019
Post more examples of ZA's shittiness. I need a good laugh.
Anonymous No.724175659 [Report]
>>724171167
They took more time than usual for this one, yes.
Anonymous No.724175678 [Report]
>>724175515
NU POKÉSLOP has become so bad that even DIGISLOP and GOD OF SÓY are better games now and shit on NU POKÉSLOP in every category!!!
Anonymous No.724175827 [Report]
>>724175515
It's the DLC they announced that really is sickening. For a game that's guaranteed to make them profit already, they not only charge 70+ dollars for it, but they can't even be bothered to release the DLC for free?

There are indie games like Stardew Valley that release constant free content updates, and Pokemon is somehow too inept to do the same?
Anonymous No.724175831 [Report]
>he plays pokemon in the year 2025
Anonymous No.724175856 [Report] >>724176194
>>724163119 (OP)
I went to game store in my Eupoor country.
and they said that they are out of Pokémon copies.
Keeeeeeeeeek
Anonymous No.724175940 [Report]
>Let's be unique and pick the less popular Chikorita
>Of course I'll pair it with Greninja and Charizard.
Anonymous No.724175951 [Report] >>724176278
>>724175640
Anonymous No.724176019 [Report] >>724178236
>>724175640
There are none
Anonymous No.724176179 [Report]
>>724163119 (OP)
>>724163168
Moon was the last Poketranny game I was tricked into buying. 75% of the new Pokemon are all furshit. Won’t be playing, buying or subscribing.
Idk how you Poketroons even play this shit, I couldn’t even make it through 1/3 of Moon before having to shut it off. You all must be jerking off to the animals, only explaination. Moon was barely even a video game.
Anonymous No.724176194 [Report]
>>724175856
Blessing in disguse.
Go pirate and emulate the game now to see for yourself why you shouldn't waste money on this slop.
Anonymous No.724176278 [Report] >>724178236
>>724175951
>MC is so ugly the universe just rejects its existence
Anonymous No.724178236 [Report]
>>724176019
Ok shill

>>724176278
Kek