Thread 724478402

Sonic was NOT FAST ENOUGH to outrun Galeem's blast.

Kirby on the warpstar is FASTER than Sonic.

I think the implication was that he slowed down to help pikachu because he saves animals in his games

>>724478402 (OP)
Pretty sure Sonic is faster but even if it wasn't trying to save Pikachu, there would've been no way for him to get off the planet

>>724478663
Dude I accidentally called Sonic an "it", maybe I'm a bad person

>>724478548
Damn, you're right.

>>724478815
>Fast THING alive

>>724478402 (OP)
You can literally see him slow down to try and save Pikachu, you lying faggot.

In this opening cutscene, Shulk sees a vision of something bad happening and chooses not to say anything about it to the others, which is very accurate to Xenoblade 1

>>724479629
He had a few seconds at best.

>>724479912
He had enough time to yell "WE CAN'T FIGHT IT! RUN!" or something

>>724480086
>WE CAN'T FIGHT IT! RUN
Wow how helpful.

BTW World of Light is so shit that this cutscene is its only legacy.

I didn't realize that warp stars literally warp, I thought it was just a name. I always took their depiction as machines in Kirby Air Ride as canonical

>>724478402 (OP)
>we have subspace emissary at home

>>724480405
Eh there's also the cutscene where Mario just straight up dies to Dharkon if you beat Galeem without balancing the final area properly.

>>724478402 (OP)
The Warp Star literally allows interplanetary travel. I think a warp drive is probably faster than Sonic.

>Marth begins strategising, planning out how they can win this
>Zelda interrupts him with generic worthless inspirational quote
>They instantly party wipe
Did she sabotage them on purpose?

>>724480715
I forgot Ultimately even had boss fights. They were neat, I wish it had a real campaign with levels instead of the rock paper scissors RPG simulator

>>724478402 (OP)
I think Sakurai said that palutena and Bayonetta could have survived too but Kirby is the easy mode character so he picked him

>>724480847
No, she's just being a typical woman.

>>724480786
Lol no

>>724480405
Nah, you just have brain damage. WoL is kino, and people still remember some of the cooler maps (Street Fighter, Castlevania, Kirby) and notorious spirit battles (The Boss, Pauline, Geno, etc). Plus the bosses were great.

>>724479629
>>724479912
>>724480086
The position of the characters in the intro are constantly moving around to make things more cinematic, but given where Kirby is in relation to where Sulk is looking (between Mario and Link) it’s been tossed around that Shulk was trying to warn the one character with the best odds of survival.

>>724481013
Sonic can't run through time without special rocks or the past/future poles from CD.

>>724480847
Zelda doesn't interrupt. Marth is phrasing it as a question. And her response is fine. She correctly identifies that at this stage worrying about whether they can take down the master hands is pointless. Because it's do or die. So yeah nothing wrong here.

>>724481252
and yet he outsped someone who can and who is vastly faster than a warp star

>>724480847
>>724481339
>Hey this fight might not be in our favor
>KNUCKLE UP PUSSY
>does immediately
Zelda was really about that life

>>724478402 (OP)
>Kirby is a coward

>>724478402 (OP)
He probably thought Pikachu was a mobian and wanted to save him before Eggnan turned him into a robot.

>>724480847
>Did she sabotage them on purpose?
Have you never ever played a Zelda game? This stupid bitch does that constantly to the point that it's typically the game's entire plot line. Her bullshit is what made three fucking timelines.

>>724481137
So literally the only thing else that's memorable to WoL's fans are map images and a couple of fights out of hundreds? Also the bosses were largely shit compared to SE.

>>724478402 (OP)
Media illiterate
>>724478548
Media literate

>>724481137
It's great that people remember World of Light for the GUI map traversal and the few fights that aren't the standard gameplay of the mode that otherwise could have been in a boss rush mode and are in Classic mode already to some degree.
Really gives the entire mode a reason to exist, when you think about it.

How long doesn't WoL take to beat? I'm just in it for the custom music selection option and some songs I'm still missing. I'm over 2000 hours yet I haven't once played that boring crap

I was disahow falcon didn't get enough time to start his machine. Pretty sure the blue falcon could out run the angel

>>724478402 (OP)
yeah sonic sucks donkey balls, fuck him

Can you imagine if sakurai wasnt lazy and world of light was an actual story mode with cutscenes like subspace emmisary?

>>724483930
Dude I'd actually kill myself if I had to write a story with 70+ characters, and trying to give all of them some sort of prominence. Subspace worked because it had a much smaller roster than Ultimate

>>724478402 (OP)
> Manado has future vision
> Manado can strengthen and speed up everyone
> it can also make a shield that can protect against infinity damage
all this shit happened because Shulk just refuse to use the Monado

>>724483930
could easily be kino, would like to see them at least try an actual story

>>724484147
not every character in brawl had a role in SSE though. Sakurai could've def chosen ~15 characters that have a role in the story mode and base it around them

>>724484320
People would likely still complain even if he did that

>>724481224
It's so cool seeing all our fucking heroes lined up.
I really wish there were a few more cutscenes. The few there are are just the God-figures dying.

>>724478402 (OP)
Shitnic isn't even faster than shadow

Game would've been better if they had taken the development effort out of WoL and just made an insanely good Classic/Adventure mode.

>>724486526
I mean Ultimate's classic modes are arguably the best in the series, with each character having a themed one

>>724486687
I wish we had the ability to assign music from other series onto stages like in Classic Mode.

>>724486687
It makes replay value on each of the Classic modes so horrible and godawful because you know what's coming, and it's all repetitive bullshit. The best way to have done it is random fights with interspliced minigames and a random boss at the very end, upgrade of Brawl's Classic mode. There's not even a trophy at the end to speak of, so it's less worth it to play in the end.

>>724481663
We call that shit writing. Here, I can do it to.
>then a regular turtle ran faster than sonic and sonic died
It's right there in plain text, it must be character-accurate.

>>724483386
>>724483067
Ah, lies and reductive bullshit and ignoring gameplay. Nice. Guess everything in any game is just images and noises. You are so very smart.

>>724486687
That's probably true, but it's just recycled content from other parts of the game. Adventure and Classic used to feel bespoke.

Hell, even Smash Run was better (and that felt like a waste, just Sakurai wishing to work on City Trial instead).

>>724486860
>The best way to have done it is random fights with interspliced minigames and a random boss at the very end
Imagine being this retarded. What a stupid post.
>There's not even a trophy at the end to speak of
>durr model good, image bad

>>724487089
>Adventure and Classic used to feel bespoke.
>random bullshit classic and 10 minutes bad platforming adventure that never changed
>bespoke
Meleefags are mentally ill.

>>724486874
Might be worth something if you were an official writer for sonic or dc

>>724478402 (OP)
i know he is often referred to as “the fastest thing alive” and “faster than the speed of sound” but neither means that there is nothing that out speeds him. a warp star is not alive and apparently can go faster than mach 1 so its not all that unbelievable.

Remember when Sonic Snoys said Crossworlds would outsell Mario Kart World? Good times.

>>724487089
>Adventure and Classic used to feel bespoke.
Meleesnoys are delusional, holy shit.

>>724478402 (OP)
He was trying to help Pikachu

>>724478402 (OP)
It played on his character, Sonic always saves other animals, so he slowed down to try and help Pikachu

>>724480405
This, what a fucking disappointing mode

>>724487893
>coping
It's literally what is happening?

>>724486874
lol butt mad bitch. the difference here is you're a worthless nobody and not an official writer.

>>724487893
that's literally what is happening you brain dead idiot

Can he take on Galeem?

>>724487825
>people scream about wanting a better event mode after 4
>World of Light is basically super event mode

My hero CHADOW would have won.

>>724488778
Definitely

>>724478402 (OP)
>Speed of sound is weaker than Warp speed
Who fucking knew?

>>724478402 (OP)
Kirby didn't outrun the blast. It was closing in and would've gotten him if the WARPstar hadn't WARPED. He literally teleported out of there.

>>724478402 (OP)
And what's more... Rick is capable of keeping up with Warp Stars on foot, as seen in Kirby Air Riders.

Rick the Hamster is FASTER than Sonic the Hedgehog.

>>724488210
>>724488735
No, he pretty much travels at the same speed the entire shot.
He's not even leaning hid body back at all. I don't think slightly tilting his head is causing a massive speed debuff.

Post vidya characters that would survive Galeem's attack

>>724490252
Darkon

>>724478402 (OP)
if sonic just had the chaos emeralds this shitty game would have never happened

>>724478402 (OP)
I find it more interesting to consider that Sonic is one of the very few characters necessary for completion. Unavoidable. Someone working on Smash really liked Sonic, he's in a lot of reveal trailers, explanations, one of maybe 6 or so characters that are unavoidable in the story mode, on some menus too.

>>724480869
It's because Sakurai is a narcisist and he has to put his creation above everyone else's.

>>724484320
15 is too low, but I imagine that a lot of the third party studios (Konami and Square for sure) would be such headaches that those characters wouldn't be in the story.

>>724478402 (OP)
>Sonic slow down for Pikachu
Why, so he can create Sonichu?

>>724481224
The wii fit trainer?

>>724492503
What the hell is a Sonichu?

>>724478402 (OP)
Omg what are the lore implications is Kirby stronger than the universe itself so hypeeeE!!!1

>>724478548
What the fuck? That actually makes sense now

>>724493194
Ho lee. Underage or tourist?

>>724483389
There are 630ish custom battles? Most can be killed or cheesed in 10-15s. Maybe 50 will take a few attempts. Like 5 will be super frustrating and take an hour.

>>724483389
I remember Brawl had custom music selection for almost everything in the game out the box. I don't know about the rest of the series, but why did Ultimate make such a basic mechanic so shit?

>>724478402 (OP)
>Guy on vehicle that has WARP in the name is faster than a guy who's simply running really fast.
Yeah? If I said Sonic with the chaos emeralds is STRONGER than Kirby would you think that's weird?

>>724478402 (OP)
>>724493307
The thing that makes me laugh is no one wants to talk about Tabuu.
Reminder that he washed Kirby in Brawl and no powerfags want to talk about it lmao.

You're also right about Godslayer status in Japanese games. Like bro, being a god in a JRPG or something is a fucking joke.

>>724478943
That means Sonic's the fastest even when you compare him to jets and shit. That doesn't mean he's an it.

>>724487336
> a warp star is not alive
Does he know?

>>724480086
If they continued the voice acting and he shouted that it would have sent chills down my spine.

>>724482540
>does immediately
Does what?

>>724478402 (OP)
>Oneshot Galleem easily while the whole cast is sweating
"Hm... Hm... Hm... Smash Bros no Sekai... Subarashi. Saté... Koi... Cloud-san."
Somehow Kirby didn't show his ass around bro huh. But when it's for funny gag during Kazuya's trailer, he's here.

>>724495882
Ironically Kirby is the best choice to beat Sephiroth in his boss mode on the highest difficulty. The computer still can’t punish stone after all these years. Kirby always wins baby.

>>724493307
Kirby lorefags BTFO.
Never forget how botched the story of Planet Robobot was, where most of the information had to be conveyed through fucking MIIVERSE POSTS.
You think souls games are bad for having their lore in item descriptions, how about it just not fucking being in the game in the first place and needing you to look up an archive of an old social network that doesn't even exist anymore. Nice lore retards.

>>724486985
Gameplay? You mean fight after fight with some new gimmick each time? I 100%d this shit and I wanted to die by the end.

What happened to Mr. Chad & Watch?

>>724499296
Became a top tier and now everyone hates him

>>724488654
This is what's running through every rainbow haired pierced and tatted freek they hates your brand and is now it's main writer.

Guys lets not argue and get back to Smash discussion, mkay?

>Im the most powerful being. I killed Kirby and all the others Ninten-
>wait, its that Sonic?
>NOOOOO FORGIVE ME! ACK

>>724499686
The only 2D smash players can handle are the ones spitroasting them

>>724501551
He had so much aura in this cutscene

>>724501551
Except when he does his Off Waves attack he can KO him.
Sonic got a lucky surprise attack off, nothing more.

Kirby survived because he met two criteria. He had lore reason to do so, and was new-player friendly. The other options he considered were Palutena and Bayonetta, who are not as intuitive or simple as Kirby.
Who else could have survived? Shulk? Sonic?

>>724478402 (OP)
Sonic runs at the speed of sound. Warp Star travels at the speed of light

>>724502734
Galeem's light managed to engulf the entire universe in a matter of minutes. A character would need to be able to dodge that in order to survive

>>724504276
And most importantly: They would need to be able to quickly get off the planet that the cutscene takes place on, which Sonic (In his base form with no chaos emeralds) would not be able to do (I think?)

>>724504556
While he can run on water for some time, Sonic's usually landlocked yeah.

>>724487113
>>The best way to have done it is random fights with interspliced minigames and a random boss at the very end
>Imagine being this retarded. What a stupid post.
Imagine being this retarded. What a stupid post.
>durr model good, image bad
yes?

>>724483126
>heh chud, why don't you get some heckin' MEDIA LITERACY?

>>724488778
Sonic dies instantly like the last time.

>>724478402 (OP)
>>724501551
>>724494194
>Mario can defeat kirby too in the story
>Badly written Sonic Scene only happened due to time constraints (he almost didn't make it to the roster)
>Sonic did nothing to tabuu
>Anyone in the entire smash cast (including a kirby pick) had to finish the job while tabuu still had all of his wing attacks intact (sonic was weak)
>When actually in the development cycle (like in the Galeem story) Sonic dies early on with ease in smash stories.

>>724504556
>>724505547
We know from Sonic Forces and Sonic Frontiers that Sonic can run fast enough to break into different dimensions, so he could've escaped like Kirby did, without using Super Sonic, but he didn't because that'd mean leaving Pikachu behind and he's too selfless to do that.

>>724481224
This is so freaking autistic. Why are they all there? What's the story that leads them to go to a fucking cliff and wait for an army of master hands? Even villains are there... it's so cheesy.

>>724508574
>Pikachu cope
Sonic forces had him "break out" of the dimension (the exit just opened randomly on the far side) with another person too, Galeem just was too fast for him. He had 4 seconds after pikachu died too and still didn't do shit.

>>724508371
How is it badly written? I think it's in character for Sonic to just show up and beat a nigger's ass

>>724508371
>still had all of his wing attacks intact
He wings went from instat killing every fighter to being spot avoidable with spot dodge. Irrc they also didn't weren't instant kill even if you got hit.

Sonic in general I feel like is a nightmare to powerscale, I swear the way his abilities work is always inconsistent

>>724478548
How come I never thought of that.

>>724508796
>Sonic forces had him "break out" of the dimension (the exit just opened randomly on the far side) with another person too
Sonic Frontiers didn't, he escaped Cyber Space unassisted.
>He had 4 seconds after pikachu died
No he fucking didn't, the whole scene with him and Pikachu doesn't even last 2 seconds, I checked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WShCN-AYHqA&t=64s

>>724485584
>>724508689
All they had to do was make cutscenes. Maybe more than 2 special boss fights too. That's all anyone wanted out of an adventure mode, at least with subspace. Playing as Master Hand was still ludokino doe.

>>724509532
The amount of time there after pikachu died still should easily have been enough with how much powerscalers wank Sonic's reaction speeds.

>>724508574
Eh, both times he was escaping from a sub realm more than anything, not crossing into another reality.
In Forces he also needs the help of Original the Character and in Frontiers he escapes by entering a portal at the end of the level.

>>724509416
Eh, not really. He's pretty consistently faster than sound (maybe topping out at Mach 3 if we go by Mania's special stages). Sonic's 'speed energy' for a lack of a better word (I think there's a dummied out line saying his speed is Chaos powered, which would explain some things) just has some weird extra effects.

>>724507907
If you couldn't tell that post was a joke you should probably kill yourself.
You're more worthless and autistic than a redditor, somehow.

>>724508874
Only Sonicfags thought a Deus ex machina scene (that didn't even matter since we still had to fight him) was good. The ending was extremely rushed compared to the rest of the story.
>>724508925
The intact wing attacks are instant kill, and are portrayed differently in the fight. When killed by blast zone you are turned into a trophy in the smash series.

>>724510134
Guess it depends how you look at it. In general though I realized after saying that, that Mario is probably wayyyy harder to powerscale than Sonic is, lol

>>724510238
>The intact wing attacks are instant kill
Okay I misremembered that part but everything else is true. They're avoidable and don't kill everyone at once.

>>724480086
The in-universe answer is that by the time Shulk saw the vision and turned around to speak, Galeem was already going to fire off the attack.
The real answer is that Sakurai was too lazy to hire Shulk's voice actor(s) to come out and say one line so he opted to have Shulk stand there and gasp like a total dumbass.

>>724490252
Nobody would because this is Smash and if they aren't Kirby, they're not surviving.

Reminder the Smash bros universe are toy versions of the actual characters. Everything that happened in the WoL cutscene actually would always happen to this non canon plastic.

>>724510358
Mario is just your usual cartoon shenanigans.
He still has some stuff like throwing a baseball at around Mach 1 once. Or picking up large stone objects.
Honestly, the pain in the ass is more Donkey Kong due to that stupid ass Moon Punch.

>>724478548
my fucking HERO

>>724510906
The ending should have been the kid selling off the entire collection to some gaystop for a $20 robux card

>>724495882
Sakurai would rather delete the entire game than imply anyone can stand a chance against Kirby. He's such a manchild loser that can't tolerate his OC looking bad.

>>724510941
Mario has both toon force and wildly high scaling due to his RPGs and stuff. And Mario characters like Donkey kong can be argued to powerscale approximately on that level and such.

>>724511276
then why has Kirby been crap-tier since smelee

>>724511276
He did have Hades say Pit was the strongest Nintendo character in Uprising, which, fuck off?

>>724511510
Because Sakurai is also deathly allergic to updating the movesets of characters. Why else do you think Mario STILL has fucking FLUDD and Zelda is using Din's Fire, Nayru's Love, and Farore's Wind, which she never even used in the actual Zelda games?

>>724511529
In the Japanese version?

>>724511529
>He did have Hades say Pit was the strongest Nintendo character in Uprising
Did he really lmao?

>>724511850
Yeah
https://youtu.be/6hUDhLG4r5w?si=BGUZcMIqwyp3I-5_

>>724486874
FUCK...THAT REGULAR TURTLE IS FAST!

>>724511481
>wildly high scaling due to his RPGs
Not really, outside of SPM (where nobody actually directly scales to the Chaos Heart/Void), the only impressive RPG feats I can remember is getting shot at the moon, the fan and Luigi pulling a cord from space.

>>724511996
Pretty blatantly a joke. Though at this point, Pit was such a nothing character before Uprising that he's basically Sakurai's OC, at least this version of Pit.

>>724478402 (OP)
Switch 2 version with new meme character pass when?

>>724511836
>In the Japanese version?
Yes
>https://youtu.be/RJBYOKw9z1g?t=940

>>724512137
>>wildly high scaling due to his RPGs
>Not really, outside of SPM (where nobody actually directly scales to the Chaos Heart/Void), the only impressive RPG feats I can remember is getting shot at the moon, the fan and Luigi pulling a cord from space.
Oh you're one of those tard downplayers, of course. Don't test me.
Cases like Dreamy Bowser and Culex are fought base form, one has extremely high nigh-endless power due to dream depot and the other is officially a Master of time and space, these aren't the end to their powers either.
In the same game Luigi was pulling a cord from space, Mario and him they were fighting someone who ended countless worlds prior.

>>724512606
Way I see it, if Mario and Luigi are working together, there's no opponent they lose to. I remember all those memes about them beating the shit out of Sephiroth from a year or two ago.

>>724512679
It's not just M&L stuff like I mentioned, but even with that, Dreamy Bowser and other Mario and Luigi bosses do have attacks that separate the bros, and Mario still kicks their asses though.

>>724499296
back to waddling and waging

>>724488778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea7OVC21TjQ

>>724493406
>Ho lee. Underage or tourist?
Fucking newfag

>>724512679
>there's no opponent they lose to.
outside of a Shroob Saucer that's just allowed drop nukes lol

>>724512606
>tard downplayers
No, I just have eyes and a brain.
>Dreamy Bowser
The Bowser that doesn't even try erasing the Bros despite attempting to do so when he had the stone? Either Bowser is a massive idiot who doesn't know how to use his powers or Dreamy Bowser can't access every power the Dream Stone has. And the Dream Depot isn't even in Dream Team.
>Culex
'I am matter/anti-matter' stuff is just a boast. His actual deal is being a final boss from some FF-esque RPG dimension and finding 3D fascinating.
>Reclusa
Funny how you couldn't even name the guy. But he destroys worlds by isolating people in illusionary worlds, not going around blowing them up.
>>724512679
Except all the times they lose. The Sephiroth meme is just the usual 'hehe wouldn't it be funny if the strong serious villain lost to a pair of scrimblos' joke. In reality, they fight Sephiroth, they get cut to ribbons before turn 1.

Bayonetta was playing on NSIC so she couldn’t easily dodge it

>>724478402 (OP)
Remember when Sonic came out of nowhere at the end of Subspace and destroyed Tabuu’s wings? That was awesome.

>>724481663
>and yet he outsped someone
No he didn't. He's using Chaos Control

>>724514702
>tard downplayers
>No, I just have eyes and a brain.
More like you're blind and have a tard brain. Ok I warned you.
>The Bowser that doesn't even try erasing the Bros despite attempting to do so when he had the stone? Either Bowser is a massive idiot who doesn't know how to use his powers or Dreamy Bowser can't access every power the Dream Stone has. And the Dream Depot isn't even in Dream Team.
Funny how you didn't play the game, Bowser literally does try to existence erase but gets interrupted. Dream stone has the power of all dreams, which includes the dream depot = nigh-endless power of countless dream universes. Miyamoto states each Mario game is on the same tier of canon.
>Culex
>'I am matter/anti-matter' stuff is just a boast. His actual deal is being a final boss from some FF-esque RPG dimension and finding 3D fascinating.
Where's the source it's a boast? You're already cowering and making up downplay lies to since you're out of ammo? The official manual calls him a Master of Time and Space. He also has entire timelines in his power, etc.. You're are tard downplayer.
>Funny how you couldn't even name the guy. But he destroys worlds by isolating people in illusionary worlds, not going around blowing them up.
One of Reclusa's final attacks is trying to blow everything up and the bros just shrug it off and throw it right back at him. This is a Mario and Luigi after Dreamy Bowser by the way so Reclusa scales high.

Sephiroth also gets ultra bodied by Mario or Luigi (separately) in reality. Even without using RPGs, Mario just erases him with the SMW Mop, to remind you this is also a toonforce verse. Or just straight up reality warping shenanigans in Mario wonder, or any other countless Mario games we can use. You don't want this smoke. Heck, even SMB1 Bowser destroys Sephiroth with his first ever feat of mass wide block transmutation. He doesn't even need the dreamy form to waste this chump and wreck him in base (Mario scales to him easily btw)

>>724514702
>hehe wouldn't it be funny if the strong serious villain lost to a pair of scrimblos
This is the embodiment of toon force, which is a real thing, which literally is the case for people like Popeye which inspired Mario. Sephiroth gets destroyed all times. You can't "le serious" your way out of being turned into pocket knives with a punch.

>>724516563
Toon force can be reversed. Like with Vegeta vs Arale. He lost but he got a hit in using a gag

>>724516975
>Toon force can be reversed. Like with Vegeta vs Arale. He lost but he got a hit in using a gag
Arale's gag also includes that she always lets her head fall off. So she was always just toying with him in that filler episode.

>>724510238
>Only Sonic fans thought that a scene that portrays sonic correctly was good
wooow

>>724515970
> Bowser literally does try to existence erase but gets interrupted
I literally mention that. But if Dreamy Bowser could do everything the Dream Stone can, then why didn't he try it again? Either Dreamy Bowser isn't as 'strong' as the stone, or he forgot he could do that.
>Where's the source it's a boast?
Because the only time/space related power he shows off is bog standart dimensional travel. Everything else is just generic 'I am the Ultimate Power' hype lines.
>One of Reclusa's final attacks is trying to blow everything up and the bros just shrug it off and throw it right back at him.
Reclusa's final attack is literally just breaking the floor. Unless you're refering to some other attack that we see destroy everything (and not like, make a person sized fireball) that you can surely show.
>Mario just erases him with the SMW Mop
Yeah, I'm sure a mop Mario used to destroy a stationary object can deal with an agile katana dude.
>just straight up reality warping shenanigans in Mario wonder, or any other countless Mario games we can use.
>mass wide block transmutation
Wouldn't work. Sephiroth is immune to pretty much everything short of directly hitting him. Square boss design at it's finest. And he can also warp reality (see Rebirth)
>>724516563
>toon force
It isn't, not in the way powerscalers use it at least.
It's a tonal thing that's completely decided by the author.
Scoobynatural for instance, had the tone of Supernatural overpower the tone of Scooby-Doo. Shaggy even noticed how stuff seemed to hurt more for some reason.
Or hell, to go with our example. Sephiroth's reveal trailer used the shonen-like tone of FF7, so all the silly characters got smacked aside so he and Cloud could have another 1v1 swordfight.

>>724488778
Nah

>>724478402 (OP)
He slowed his pace to try and save Pikachu. Sonic is the fastest thing alive AFTER SHADOW

>>724519672
>Scoobynatural
Galeem doesn't have crushing

>>724478402 (OP)
>>724478548
archie sonic would have saved him and gotten away from galeem easily btw

>>724519672
kwab, sonic is hyper weak

>>724519672
Super Sonic resists crushing in Frontiers and him taking damage from Big Arm was removed from Sonic 3 in Sonic Origins.

>>724521940
>they had to RETCON his KWABbery

>>724521940
This is hyper sonic. Meaning at his strongest he's weakest.

>>724522143
GLASS CANONic...

>>724521940
>Super Sonic still gets btfo by a normal punch even with this cope.

>>724478402 (OP)
>Shulk desperately tries to warn everyone but can't change the future
>Link and Samus go out fighting
>Sonic slows down to try and save pikachu beacuse that's what he does
>Inklings, who are used to parties and not fights to the death, were terrified for their lives and tried hiding
>Palutena tries sending Pit and Dark Pit away but gets killed so their wings disappear and they start plummeting to their deaths before getting lazered
>Duck Hunt Dog's duck is desperately trying to run away with the dog
Why is it so compelling to see heroes realistically react to their impending deaths

Who is genuinely the most "chad" character in nintendo games? and no, Pit is not an answer.

>>724524735
Captain Falcon

>>724478548
Yep, THATS MY FUARKING HERO

>>724524735
Pit is nowhere near chad wtf? Also It's either fox or Link

>>724478548
>doesn't try to save the other animals
>fails to save a single one
Slow shitnic...

>>724524735
my nigga GUZMA but /v/ isn't ready for that conversation

>>724524735
Rex, easily.

>>724525563
Not the kid form. That form is underdog. Little Mac tier.

>>724524735
Define "Nintendo Games"
Are we talking first party only or do third party exclusives count? Because it the latter counts then the answer is obviously Simon Belmont

>>724525729
Fair enough, although we didn't get nearly as much Papa Rex as we should've.

>>724478548
He did the same for Tails in the Riders intro too

>>724525042
fox got cucked by panthro?

You could shoot all powerlevel fags in the head and nothing would happen as the bullet would hit nothing.

>>724508689
Sakurai either puts 110% effort into the story of a game or -10% effort wtih zero in-between
It's so weird

>>724526747
YUP YUP
I TANKED THAT SHIT

Bayonetta losing to Galeem was more egregious than Sonic. At least Sakurai confirmed that her (& Palutena) appearing at the very end of WoL was referencing how they’d be the only ones with a chance to survive the purging (other than Kirby ofc)

>>724478548
Holy cope

If Sakurai wasn't wanking off Kirby, Sonic would've gone Super and solo Galeem like he solo'd Tabuu.

>>724527407
Anon had time to quip AFTER the shot was fired this puts him at ner light speed but the bullet did graze him and since his body can withstand near-light speed it must be very durable.
This puts the bullet that damaged him up to at least planet buster

>>724528074
>If Sakurai wasn't wanking off Kirby, Sonic would've gone Super and solo Galeem like he solo'd Tabuu.
You're wanking Sonic, he didn't solo. Tabuu still fought the smash fighters after the wing attack, Sonic just delayed the fight a bit.

>>724528450
Sonic significantly weakened Tabuu's strongest attack.

>>724489674
>He's not even leaning hid body back at all.
You dumbass, his arm is literally stretched out.

>>724521940
>Super Sonic resists crushing in Frontiers
Heheh, you know what else happens to Super Sonic in frontiers?

>>724528450
Cope. SSBB is a Sonic game.

>>724478402 (OP)
>>724478548
it's a pretty decent explanation for having kirby be the only one to out-run the threat so you start the game as him.

this mode still sucks compared to the Subspace campaign tho.

>>724528608
>>724528763
>Sonic significantly weakened Tabuu's strongest attack.
It's still instantly kills you in the actual fight, he didn't do shit but delay the fight. The story had it so anyone solos Tabuu by the end just like Galeem.

>>724528791
no it doesn't you can survive a wave on low % and once sonic breaks his wings the waves lose range and power and can no longer turn you into trophies.

>>724528905
>no it doesn't you can survive a wave on low %
No you can't
>and once sonic breaks his wings the waves lose range
It's still full screen
>can no longer turn you into trophies.
Dying in smash automatically turns you into trophies, which the beam instantly kills you for.

>>724529039
On easy you can
https://youtu.be/nO_aytPZNQQ

>>724529282
Normal mode is the base mode and it's impossible.

Ryubros...

>>724529415
easy mode is the one everyone plays to unlock everything quickly.

>>724529415
Don't do this "only normal is canon" is canon bullshit. The attack is weaker. The justification is Sonic's sneak attack.

>>724529485
>>724529570
You having to go to an entirely other easier mode for your argument doesn't help Sonic's case. Normal mode is the canon SSBB route.

Even with Sonic weakening Tabuu's offwaves to make them avoidable, Dedede is still the MVP of Subspace, without him, Sonic cheapshots Tabuu and then has to 1v1 him without the emeralds, which is suicide if Ganondorf's attempt was anything to go by.

>>724529485
>>724529570
It's literally an easier version of tabuu, not normal tabuu.

>>724529814
>Anon thinks easy mode is an alternate what-if timeline where every boss is weaker/every player character is stronger.

>>724529896
That's common sense. No need of timelines. It's just a easier tabuu, not the normal fight.

>>724529734
if your argument was correct the attack would still have the golden glow it has in the cutscene and turn you into trophies.
instead the attack causes knock back and is survivable. you also have stickers that would allow you to survive it in normal.

Fun fact, the only character who managed to resist more than one hit from galeem's blast was link because of his shield, everybody else lost immediately to one blast

>>724490252
Galeem itself, maybe master hand

STOP RUNNING AND HELP ME YOU BLUE BASTARD

>>724530086
>instead the attack causes knock back and is survivable.
It still instantly kills you normally (which when you die in smash you go back into trophy form).
>Cutscenes before the final fight logic
The wings aren't still damaged so they regenerated.

>>724530484
I love how you completely forgot about stickers so you just ignored it.

>>724514702
Bowser has a lot of very strong feats across the games & rpgs and mario is still strong enough to make fighting bowser seem easy, sephiroth is getting his shit kicked by mario and luigi lol

>>724530546
>I love how you completely forgot about stickers
I noticed how you didn't post any evidence. There's only 1 sticker that lessens knockback (at random rates) in the entire game and I don't see it preventing tabuu wings.
Even then if it does have a random rate where you narrowly prevent it (still hasn't been shown) that's a concede that the knockback was already going to kill you anyway. This is the equivalent of still having a ddd badge on you and saying you're immune to the shockwaves.

>>724528074
Don’t forget they had Sephiroth one shot him.

>>724531117
the dedede badges don't stop tabuus blast from turning you into a trophie. They're timers that re-activate the trophies.

>>724531334
>the dedede badges don't stop tabuus blast from turning you into a trophie. They're timers that re-activate the trophies.
That's what I was saying. You aren't immune with the dedede badge. It only helps.

power scaling is retarded

Yes, a vehicle that can seemingly traverse planetary distances in the air does have a better chance at being faster than a mostly landlocked hedgehog.

That aside, thing I find interesting is that for all the Kirby stuff, I never usually see him compared to Megaman who for all intents and purposes is the individual in smash whose main stick in their games are the closest related (Weapon Copy System vs Copy Ability)

>>724531117
>There's only 1 sticker that lessens knockback
Does the wing attack not have an element? It looks like electric, does the electric resistance sticker do nothing?

>>724531624
The dedede badge is an extra life. The sticker would actually stop you from dying.

If we're using Smash scaling, Base Form Sephiroth can one shot Galeem is Multiversal tier, which is ridiculous. He also fraudchecks Bayonetta and Mario.

>>724531997
mario didn't care to fight him because sephiroth didn't threaten his spaghetti

>>724531997
>If we're using Smash scaling, Base Form Sephiroth can one shot Galeem is Multiversal tier, which is ridiculous. He also fraudchecks Bayonetta and Mario and Sonic
>Smash scaling
They're trophies and toys by a kid's imagination, not the actual characters.

>>724532243
You did see the OP image right?

>>724531762
>It is possible to actually survive being hit by a wave if the player is in the air under the stage, where they can DI and ceiling tech, but this requires very high precision to pull off, and the character must also have a good recovery to make it back
From the Wiki

>>724532342
>It can also be survived by using moves with armor, but the timing is very strict
Also

>>724491490
Remember, in Brawl, he was the final character and saves everyone.

>>724532891
>Remember, in Brawl, he was the final character and saves everyone.
Due to time constraints and his company flip flopping on his inclusion until the very last minute.

>>724528784
Yeah, it had a cool premise but while the board game type of mode was entertaining it really doesn't compare to Subspace, as clunky as Brawl was.

>>724533462
I loved how subspace acted as a micro kid icarus test run with the new palutena design and the black door opening thing. I wonder if Sakurai had already planned to develop a Kid icarus game by that point

>>724522143
it's a reference to super saiyan2 being a downgrade to regular super saiyan.
Real sonicchads would know this.

>>724534005
>super saiyan2 being a downgrade to regular super saiyan
No it's not

>>724526606
would would chad rex forma blade master using all elements + time compression + pyra & mythra handle galeem?

>>724534005
DON'T FUCK WITH DRAGON BALL FANS
WE NEVER WATCHED THE SHOW

>>724534256
No. Rex isn't stronger than Shulk.

>>724530302
Hylian Shield is the strongest shit in the universe.
This has been known fact since Skyward Sword.

>>724478402 (OP)
Kirby can go WARPspeed on his WARPstar. The speed of sound is, AFAIK, Sonic's max speed. But Kirby wouldn't beat Sonic without the aid of astrophysics hacks.

>>724534254
trunks literally jobs to cell because of his increased muscle mass which makes him far slower than base super saiyan thus far easier to dodge despite a higher potential power ceiling.
It's a worse form.
Vegeta literally calls trunks retarded for not realizing this.

>>724534391
>But Kirby wouldn't beat Sonic without the aid of astrophysics hacks.
wheel kirby exists anon. as does wheel robobot.
So you are wrong on that.

>>724534391
i'm a mariofag and i am telling you sound is GREATLY lowballing sonic's speed

>>724485672
>”I-If I have my heckin’ a-air shoes anyways…”
If we’re counting that shit then Jet mogs Shadow.

>>724519317
>I literally mention that. But if Dreamy Bowser could do everything the Dream Stone can, then why didn't he try it again? Either Dreamy Bowser isn't as 'strong' as the stone, or he forgot he could do that.
You said he didn't existence erase, you didn't play the game. He tried then got enraged after being interrupted so he wanted to make things fun. Your downplay headcanon isn't supported. Bowser had the power of all dreams.
>Because the only time/space related power he shows off is bog standart dimensional travel. Everything else is just generic 'I am the Ultimate Power' hype lines.
That's not a "they're just hype lines" source. The actual source states he's a master of time and space. Using these attacks directly on base Mario.
>Reclusa's final attack is literally just breaking the floor. Unless you're refering to some other attack that we see destroy everything (and not like, make a person sized fireball) that you can surely show.
His Ultimate tree form attack which was messing with the entire world and firing giant blasts of energy that you needed to hit back. His countless worlds he destroyed also haxxed people on a entire world scale, so he should have the power to match. This is also after Dreamy Bowser.
>Yeah, I'm sure a mop Mario used to destroy a stationary object can deal with an agile katana dude.
Mario's dealt with multiple foes beyond the concept of time and defeated behemoth with just his sports skills. Sephiroth is getting erased.
>>just straight up reality warping shenanigans in Mario wonder, or any other countless Mario games we can use.
>mass wide block transmutation
>Wouldn't work. Sephiroth is immune to pretty much everything short of directly hitting him. Square boss design at it's finest. And he can also warp reality (see Rebirth)
Sephiroth literally died to a sword stab wound, stop glazing him. Also ranged and magic attacks literally hurt him in all his forms. You're lying here.

>>724519317
>>toon force
>It isn't, not in the way powerscalers use it at least.
>It's a tonal thing that's completely decided by the author.
Toon force character's literally can become the authors on a whim. You've lost at this point.
>Scoobynatural for instance, had the tone of Supernatural overpower the tone of Scooby-Doo. Shaggy even noticed how stuff seemed to hurt more for some reason.
>Or hell, to go with our example. Sephiroth's reveal trailer used the shonen-like tone of FF7, so all the silly characters got smacked aside so he and Cloud could have another 1v1 swordfight.
First off the Smash trailer was just a kid playing or imagining with his toys in that non canon, made by people who don't own the characters too. Irrelevant.
Second, your description of toon force isn't concrete. Sephiroth and other "tone" farmer characters literally can do nothing against characters like Bugs bunny, Popeye, etc. literally erasing him or jumping out of the animation and taking him out of the story plot by hand with ease. Also your logic can be used against you way more in the hands of toon force characters since they always take over a scene of a serious character and do what ever they like to them "because it's funny" for many decades of animation.

>>724478402 (OP)
you kid but people seriously treat crossovers as canon and act like the creators involved meticulously power scale and calc every little thing to try to make it accurate as possible.

>>724534510
that's not super saiyan 2

>>724528627
Anon, Sonic has been stretching his arms back for his run animation since he went 3D.

>>724510389
No the intact wing attacks were always avoidable, and you only attack with 1 char at a time so it would attack all at once. It's just the fighting match portraying them differently. No one ever tried spot dodging after they got blindsided by it the first time.
>>724517120
Even at the time Brawl was made Sonic never harmed eldritch entities without the chaos emeralds. That was extreme glaze.
>>724519801
>He slowed his pace to try and save Pikachu. Sonic is the fastest thing alive AFTER SHADOW
>Pikachu cope again
He had seconds to easily react after pikachu died, still lost.
>>724529787
>Even with Sonic weakening Tabuu's offwaves to make them avoidable, Dedede is still the MVP of Subspace
Again, no one ever tried spotdodging in the story after the first wave blindside. They were most likely always avoidable if you had timing.

>>724540005
>Even at the time Brawl was made Sonic never harmed eldritch entities without the chaos emeralds.
Erazor Djinn one year before brawl.

>>724541351
>Erazor Djinn one year before brawl.
Sonic needed the secret rings (the chaos emeralds of that world) to actually fight Erazor Djinn's eldritch form.

>>724478815
don't worry about it, you probably only did it because that's how pokemon are usually referred to and you were talking about pikachu in the same sentence

>>724487893
>Nintendo Good
>Sonic Bad

>>724542330
I feel this is the reason why the thread was made in the first place

"Lets make fun of sonic and glaze nintendo"

>>724478548
Why did everyone just stand there and let Bowser die?

>>724478548
>>724478402 (OP)
>>724528784
fun fact, because you have to unlock every single character in ultimate, they all have a proper "unlock screen" except for kirby. hacking the game to show it just looks like this

>>724542496
He's just too fat, anon

>>724539658
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games IS canon and Bowser and Eggman are BEST FRIENDS

>>724539039
I literally said
>despite attempting to do so when he had the stone
And wanting to make things fun just means Bowser then held back to such a stupid extent that Mario shouldn't scale to the Dream Stone anyway.
Culex being 'The Master of Time and Space' comes from a Nintendo Power Guide. English only material where I doubt they were given some hidden Culex lore (especially when he was heavily rewritten for the English release). So, even more unrealiable than guidebooks usually are.
Weeping Reclusa attacks are only somewhat bigger in size than the bros and don't even cause any damage to the environment. Hell, right before the battle the bros are saved from a somewhat large mook army by Bowser shooting some canonballs that still don't cause any damage to the ground. And the bros can't even do much to Weeping Reclusa outside of making it dizzy by sending an attack back at it. Because it's too large for them, which tracks considering how many times Bowser nearly dies to such large objects squishing him (or being hit with a train).
And pretty much every guy Mario fights is clearly bound by space and time. Otherwise they would just reverse time to undo their defeat that instance.
Also, funny you bring up the Behemoth, Sephiroth is, you know, way above those things (considering Zack can beat those things on his or their King variant)
And if I was glazing Seph I'd be bringing up Supernova or Dissidia scaling. Square just makes him immune to status effects because that's how they design boss characters.

>>724542598
why is robotnik taller than bowser

>>724508689
>Even villains are there
Can't take over the world if there isn't a world to take over!
Even K. Rool, reckless and evil as he is, would prefer to be the one doing the eating/rotting and not SOMEONE ELSE'S puppet.

>>724542902
Bowser has GAMER posture

>>724539279
>Toon force character's literally can become the authors on a whim.
Except the authors wrote that as well. They're not changing the plot by doing what the actual writers told them to do.
>muh toys cope already
It's an official trailer Nintendo aproved where Sephiroth didn't get taken out with a gag.
You, like most toonwankers, seem to assume that every fight is naturally tilted towards their tone. But again, that's all up to the actual irl people. Like, Scoobynatural, they could totally have the serious character just kill or injure the cartoon. And considering how people reacted to Sephiroth aura farming on Mario's ass in his trailer, I think he'd win the 'it's funny' category anyway. Humor exists outside pie in the face gags.

>>724542881
>>despite attempting to do so when he had the stone
>And wanting to make things fun just means Bowser then held back to such a stupid extent that Mario shouldn't scale to the Dream Stone anyway.
Bowser never holds back against Mario, even in the mainline games he treats it as a honest rivalry. That's downplay headcanon. Him already attempting to existence erase proves that was within his power. You literally said "he didn't know how to do it." And I had to correct you to say he was interrupted. Mario literally can still fight him too when Bowser removes Luigi (also more support he isn't going easy on him), so he clearly scales.
>Culex being 'The Master of Time and Space' comes from a Nintendo Power Guide. English only material where I doubt they were given some hidden Culex lore (especially when he was heavily rewritten for the English release). So, even more unrealiable than guidebooks usually are.
That was from a SMRPG Guide booklet you disingenuous liar. In his japanese text he also is stated to hold the beginning of time to it's end in his power.
>Weeping Reclusa attacks are only somewhat bigger in size than the bros and don't even cause any damage to the environment. Hell, right before the battle the bros are saved from a somewhat large mook army by Bowser shooting some canonballs that still don't cause any damage to the ground. And the bros can't even do much to Weeping Reclusa outside of making it dizzy by sending an attack back at it. Because it's too large for them, which tracks considering how many times Bowser nearly dies to such large objects squishing him (or being hit with a train).
Sephiroth's supernova doesn't cause permanent damage to anything, illusion tier, this is a double standard.
>And pretty much every guy Mario fights is clearly bound by space and time. Otherwise they would just reverse time to undo their defeat that instance.
I've already posted scans of Bowser being above time and space, and we fight Culex between dimensions.

What the fuck is happening in this thread? Is this some fan fic shit?

>>724530456
>>724531697
Better luck next time, fuckboy

>>724499296
he was in the cutscene, didn't you notice? he was just facing towards the camera.

>>724542881
>>724543324
>Also, funny you bring up the Behemoth, Sephiroth is, you know, way above those things (considering Zack can beat those things on his or their King variant)
>And if I was glazing Seph I'd be bringing up Supernova or Dissidia scaling. Square just makes him immune to status effects because that's how they design boss characters.
As said before Supernova literally scales nowhere. Especially by your "environment damage" logic.
>>Toon force character's literally can become the authors on a whim.
>Except the authors wrote that as well. They're not changing the plot by doing what the actual writers told them to do.
Now you're dancing around the point since they clearly have higher feats on "rule of funny" then your aura farmer. Sephiroth literally never jumps out of fiction while toon force characters can do that with ease. He easily gets defeated by them.
>It's an official trailer Nintendo aproved where Sephiroth didn't get taken out with a gag.
Non canon toy verse wank by Sakurai alone. Him oneshotting Galeem already is wankitude to the highest proportions and is already non canon in within itself to even the smash toy timeline since galeem already was dead. Again irrelevant.
>You, like most toonwankers, seem to assume that every fight is naturally tilted towards their tone. But again, that's all up to the actual irl people. Like, Scoobynatural, they could totally have the serious character just kill or injure the cartoon. And considering how people reacted to Sephiroth aura farming on Mario's ass in his trailer, I think he'd win the 'it's funny' category anyway. Humor exists outside pie in the face gags.
That wasn't a "it's funny" situation it was non canon aura wank, Toy Mario didn't even bring anything crazy or strong to the fight,especially not his toonforce like instant erasure. Again Toon force characters literally has higher feats than your serious spammer. I'm using your side's logic when calculating feats, and sephiroth comes up short.

>>724543890
>Bowser never holds back against Mario, even in the mainline games he treats it as a honest rivalry.
So why didn't Dreamy Bowser use the power of the Dream Stone to erase Mario? It's not for some fairness reason when he attempted just that a minute ago. And with Starlow knocked away, they couldn't stop him. So why didn't he try again?
>That was from a SMRPG Guide booklet you disingenuous liar.
You mean the guidebook that straight up says it's info comes from Nintendo Power in the corner?
> In his japanese text he also is stated to hold the beginning of time to it's end in his power.
No, he just says 'Across time, from this world’s beginning to its end, I am the inheritor of the ultimate of Two.' which clearly leans more towards him being immortal in some way at most.
>Sephiroth's supernova doesn't cause permanent damage to anything, illusion tier, this is a double standard.
I was bringing it up since clearly you're some kind of VSBW-type. Of course, by my standarts Supernova is bullshit, but so is everything you're using to argue for Mario.
>I've already posted scans of Bowser being above time and space
You posted him time traveling. Doc Brown is above time and space too I guess.
And if you wanna guidefag, Supernova is stated to destroy all of time and space as well in several Japanese guidebooks.

wowww sonics not faster than a magic star that can zip through space? anyone on a warp star could have survived, kirbys not special

>>724513813
I'm still a sucker for these mario and sonic team up anime scenes.

>>724544506
>Sephiroth literally never jumps out of fiction while toon force characters can do that with ease.
Neither do toons. They still exist within fiction. Otherwise Bugs Bunny would be out here in the real world. Also, nobody in Mario even does something like this anyway.
>aura wank
So toon wank is totally okay, but aura wank isn't? Seems like a clear case of bias.

>>724545372
>>Sephiroth literally never jumps out of fiction while toon force characters can do that with ease.
>Neither do toons. They still exist within fiction. Otherwise Bugs Bunny would be out here in the real world. Also, nobody in Mario even does something like this anyway.
>So toon wank is totally okay, but aura wank isn't? Seems like a clear case of bias.
You're being extremely disingenuous. We're talking about metafictional abilities here. Toons have left their own fiction to a higher fiction with ease and saw their own previous fiction as merely fiction, Sephiroth never did anything like this. You never heard of plot manipulation or anything? Stop playing dumb already (this is what I'm taking about with your aura wank), our real world has no place in this debate, schizo. For you to try something dumb like this means you have been heavily mind broken by toon force winning constantly in the past.

>>724545756
Why the fuck are you acting as if "Toons" are one singular thing with their own defined canon and all of them are interchangeable? Why are you scaling Mario from fucking Bugs Bunny?
Jesus Christ this is YouTube Shorts comment section tier faggotry. The other guy is raping you here.

>>724545827
>Why the fuck are you acting as if "Toons" are one singular thing with their own defined canon and all of them are interchangeable? Why are you scaling Mario from fucking Bugs Bunny?
This is literally what the other guy is saying. He's saying all toons can't do it and are on the same tier when they've clearly have done it. Are you blind to when he just said Bugs bunny couldn't jump out of fiction tard? Mario has manga forms where he also can do that with ease, but we're talking about the toon force concept alone, not scaling Mario with it. If you read the actual argument you'd keep up. I'm still responding to his other reply too for actual Mario scaling.

>>724545756
>We're talking about metafictional abilities here. Toons have left their own fiction to a higher fiction with ease and saw their own previous fiction as merely fiction
That makes toons weaker if anything. Since it means they're fiction within fiction rather than just fiction.
>plot manipulation
Something mostly made up by VSBWankers, you can't manipulate the actual plot, unless you're an irl writer or executive or something.
If anything, it seems like you're seething that the only time we'll ever see Sephiroth and Mario share a scene is when Mario instantly jobs out.

>>724546079
>>We're talking about metafictional abilities here. Toons have left their own fiction to a higher fiction with ease and saw their own previous fiction as merely fiction
>That makes toons weaker if anything. Since it means they're fiction within fiction rather than just fiction.
No that means they went to a higher fiction. There fiction is standard where Sephiroth would reside.
>Something mostly made up by VSBWankers, you can't manipulate the actual plot, unless you're an irl writer or executive or something.
>If anything, it seems like you're seething that the only time we'll ever see Sephiroth and Mario share a scene is when Mario instantly jobs out.
Holy shit are you an actual dumbass. Outside of your toy verse headcanon wank again, Why are you bringing actual real world shit to fictional power debate? Plot manipulation wasn't even coined by VSBW. Many characters have had that ability in fictional writing. Have you only read like 3 stories in total in your life? It's like I'm talking to a rock here. The fallacies you're disingenuously bringing up are so shitty.

>>724480847
The anime characters look so fucking weird in Ultimate. Palutena and Zelda are the only ones that look decent.

>>724544902
>So why didn't Dreamy Bowser use the power of the Dream Stone to erase Mario? It's not for some fairness reason when he attempted just that a minute ago. And with Starlow knocked away, they couldn't stop him. So why didn't he try again?
It was clearly in his power to do it as the story showcased it and Mario in base still defeated him. You're acting like Cloud defeating Sephiroth means Cloud also can can use illusion supernovas.
>That was from a SMRPG Guide booklet
>You mean the guidebook that straight up says it's info comes from Nintendo Power in the corner?
It's official seal of quality that I was remembering. Which still tracks as him being a Master of Time and Space links up with the guide quotes. Japanese text also states he has verse creation and undoing under his power to.
>In his japanese text he also is stated to hold the beginning of time to it's end in his power.
>No, he just says 'Across time, from this world’s beginning to its end, I am the inheritor of the ultimate of Two.' which clearly leans more towards him being immortal in some way at most.
It means the same thing along with the verse creation stuff he also states he can do.
>>Sephiroth's supernova doesn't cause permanent damage to anything, illusion tier, this is a double standard.
>I was bringing it up since clearly you're some kind of VSBW-type. Of course, by my standarts Supernova is bullshit, but so is everything you're using to argue for Mario.
VSBW also loves to downplay and wank like you do, so I thought the same of you.
>>I've already posted scans of Bowser being above time and space
>You posted him time traveling. Doc Brown is above time and space too I guess.
Can Doc brown do it on his own power? The same game has Mario literally bending time and space on his own like Bowser too.
>And if you wanna guidefag, Supernova is stated to destroy all of time and space as well in several Japanese guidebooks.
It's not destroying anything as things are completely fine after the attack.

Mario RPG fans being autistic as usual. So glad you goons never got Geno. Enjoy your Mii skin lmao.

>>724546763
NTA but Sakurai left the smash pedos for better things while Geno got a successful remake with Mario RPG. He won the long run.

>>724478548
Moral of the story? Don't help others if they get in your way. Prioritize yourself

>>724546526
>You're acting like Cloud defeating Sephiroth means Cloud also can can use illusion supernovas.
He can't. But Mario sure as can't erase people from existance. And he can't tank it since he's never shown tanking that on screen.
>Seal of Quality
It just means it went through all the official channels. Just like the Smash trailers, or the illumination movie or etc. Guides still contain fuck ups both minor and major.
>VSBW also loves to downplay and wank like you do
Dude, you're literally using all the same wank VSBW wiki uses for Mario.
>Can Doc brown do it on his own power? The same game has Mario literally bending time and space on his own like Bowser too.
I don't remember Mario even bending space time on his own either. He always needs some kind of time machine/portal to travel. Bowser travelling back in time somehow (probably magic) does not mean he controls the fucking time/space continuum like a god.
>It's not destroying anything as things are completely fine after the attack.
So then you agree Mario is large boulder level then?

>>724547359
>>You're acting like Cloud defeating Sephiroth means Cloud also can can use illusion supernovas.
>He can't. But Mario sure as can't erase people from existance. And he can't tank it since he's never shown tanking that on screen.
Mario has been erasing things from existence since SMW. Him already wooping Dreamy Bowser in base is all we need to scale him whether he could tank the existence erasure or not. The story has him stronger than him.
>It just means it went through all the official channels. Just like the Smash trailers, or the illumination movie or etc. Guides still contain fuck ups both minor and major.
The Seal of Nintendo quality info still links up with the Japanese text of abilities so it's good to use.
>Dude, you're literally using all the same wank VSBW wiki uses for Mario.
These are from my sources, not VSBW. You're the one bringing them up out of nowhere so VSBW also throws tons of Mario feats out the window without proper explanation like you do, the vsbw site is shit.
>>Can Doc brown do it on his own power? The same game has Mario literally bending time and space on his own like Bowser too.
>I don't remember Mario even bending space time on his own either. He always needs some kind of time machine/portal to travel. Bowser travelling back in time somehow (probably magic) does not mean he controls the fucking time/space continuum like a god.
Mario does it on his own in this Yoshi game to chase Bowser through the timelines (It shows Mario literally time warping on his own by the end of the game). It also states Bowser is warping time and space.
>>It's not destroying anything as things are completely fine after the attack.
>So then you agree Mario is large boulder level then?
??? Attacks in Mario verse can actually cause cosmic damage unlike Sephiroth's illusions that don't affect anything. As we can see with Galaxy 1, along with Rosalina shielding from universe resets, and Mario and Bowser arguably scaling over her by Galaxy 2.