Thread 724603102

Did they betray their customers? Why would you pay for something you don't own just because it's digital.

If I go into a store and buy a video game physically and someone steals that from me its theft, its my property.

If I go to sell it its my right I own it. Why is steam not the same, just because it's digital?

This is why I like to avoid PC storefronts. If I can get a game in a physical copy I will.

>>724603102 (OP)
If the games were NFTs this wouldn't be a problem. Obviously it's time to make all digital goods part of the blockchain.

>>724603102 (OP)
Its always been the case this is also written on most game covers and in the manuals and on the small print of every game

>>724603181
Thats if even playstation still exists because they got rid of the disc drive and only have it as an addon they clearly hate physical games.
Nintendo is doing game key carts which is just digital but with a physical key and xbox phased out the disc drive entirely

>>724603254
But you still own it, by law you own the disc and the rights pertaining to the content on it if you bought it.

So why isn't steam the same way, why aren't the files yours just because it's digital?

For example if you bought a bluray game disc or movie disc.

If someone stole the disc from you it would be theft.
If someone erased and wiped the disc with the intention of destroying the data, that's destruction of property.
If someone scratches the disc surface with the intention of destroying the data, that's destruction of property.

Copyright doesn't get to pick and choose, the law is the law. You either own it and the data on your property or you don't and it cant be stolen from you. It either is yours or it isn't.

>>724603423
>by law you own the disc
By law you don't own the files on the disc, I'm not saying that's ethical but it's true, hence why the millisecond Gabe tries to pull some shit Im skeedaddling my ass to Skidrow, fitgirl, dodi, and empress for cracks to all of MY games

>Snoys think they own their games

Wait until Sony kills the PS4's online and store and then you'll see how useful your discs are lmao

This is pretty much why I only ever buy games on significant discount. I kinda see it as similar to going to the movies. I’ll drop $20 AUD to see a movie but there’s no way I’m dropping $110. The only thing you can’t really do it with is multiplayer games but thankfully they’re all either trash these days or free to play. Now I’m not saying it’s ok for games to just be licences. I’m just saying there’s no way devs can sell me a licence and think they can charge me $110 for it.

>>724603423
Digital is impossible to own. A physical object is the only DRM a game needs, and the only way to have a market on software.

>>724603423
>why aren't the files yours
Same reason they aren't when I copy all of my legally copied switch games and distribute them freely online, they are my files are they not?

>>724603672
A live movie is a service because you get to watch it on a big screen provided by the theater but a bluray disc is something you own

If someone gives you the digital files or the files on a physical disc its your property because It's in your possession on your SSD or Harddrive.

The same way if stolen credit cards info in a text file is found on your computer physically, It's in your possession and you own it and all the responsibility tied to it.

So things in your possession found on your computer are only yours if they are illegal now? But if you own the same legally bought digital files and copy them its a crime despite paying for it.

If you own the files, you own the right to do what you want with them if you paid money for it and you should have the right to copy as many times as you want because the owner is not deprived of the original and there is no theft, plain and simple. Copying files or content can never be theft under any legal definition, It's not possible by law.

>>724603752
It cant be theft if the owner was not deprived of its property or forced to give up their property

>>724603752
No they're not anyone's files. They make for nice backups though.

>>724604065
I should mention the difference between stolen credit card numbers that are copied and copied game files is stolen credit card numbers deprive the owner of their money and there are damages where as copied game files do not do both of those.

There can no be no deprivation if the owner keeps their copy of the game files, also no damage because games sales are not potential, there is no IF. You either sell games or not. There is nothing being stolen.

If I make a chili recipe and sell it the same as you but I put more spice in it or whatever you don't get to legally keep that recipe just because you want it for yourself

>>724603102 (OP)
Its always been like that. You never owned a product like music, movie, or slop; you owned a copy of it. That's why there's no difference between buying and pirating because what you're getting in there is still a copy, a licensed copy if you bought the original thing legally.
But anon, I'm going to be honest here, I'll take digital over physical every single day. I came from cd generation where you have to insert disc 2, 3, 4 in order to complete a certain vidya installation to your system, and I'm well aware of things like cleaning your disc with a soft tissue + alcohol or even rubbing it directly to your own clothes so that the damn progress bar would move a bar and not stuck in the same place for 3 hours straight because it cant read a certain thing in your disc, and not to mention that sometimes your built in antivirus program would mistakenly detect something weird in that disc and quarantine it out, those are so problematic. I'm glad having something like steam and qbit so that I can get any slop that I want only with several clicks on my mouse

>>724603254
You're right, but at the same time publishers would 100% lose in a class action lawsuit, even if customers theoretically agreed to the EULA. The only place where a publisher would win is in Japan, if it's Nintendo, Sony, or something like that.

>>724605017
Isn't it faster still though to unpack a 80gb compressed disc on bluray and copy it to an xbox's SSD than to wait however long to download from the internet at your house to download? Modern north american internet on average is only like 30mb/s in most apartments and basically no one has gigabit only enthusiast.

I just find it hard to believe that physical still isn't better and faster. What it is, it's greed and hatred of the consumer and I'm glad these greedy fucks like microsoft are bleeding, same with steam. Corporations aren't my friend, If they were my friends maybe they would let me own my games physically. Guess PC games will have to do it themselves these days.

>>724603102 (OP)
>buying games
https://youtu.be/UGhvfvzTyJY?

Reminder that when you "buy" (you legally can't "buy" any media because of the DMCA) games on GOG or Epic, you are directly paying for shitty threads like this.

>>724605017
If you bought a physical movie, music, book, game etc you are transferred the license which means you own it.

>>724605489
If you give something to someone as a product in exchange for money its morally wrong to not let them own it.

For the majority of human history if you paid for something you owned it and even with modern DMCA copyright still isn't justified because copying cannot legally be theft by definition.

So its morally wrong and legally the DMCA is about as legally and morally valid as the gum on the bottom of my shoe.

>>724603102 (OP)
>If I go into a store and buy a video game physically and someone steals that from me its theft, its my property.
All they stole from you was the plastic. That is all you owned. You did not own the game. It was still a license.
Struggling with this concept is so unbelievably low IQ.

Daily reminder DMCA has only been around for 26 years of human history and nobody obeys it LOL. You can't enforce or stop people from copying infinite data even if there is a criminal penalty. Computers work by copying and its not theft. Banning alcohol didn't work during prohibition and you want to ban and criminalize something that's non enforceable? LOL

>>724605806
Nobody in this thread thinks that when you buy software you own the IP on that software, dumbfuck.

>>724605806
If you don't own the game data and the disc...

Why is it still theft if someone takes it from you.
Why is it still destruction of property if someone wipes the disc or breaks legally.
Why can you sell it if it's just a license? Do we own the disc and game data or not?
Why is it illegal if I wipe the disc myself and sell it giving someone a blank disc, I never owned the game data so its legal I guess.
Or is things in our possession only illegal if its not protected under DMCA.

Do we own the game data and disc or not? If we do why can't we copy it, if we don't why are there legal penalties treating such disc as our property.

>>724605967
Nobody explaining it to you that you don't own the intellectual property rights to software when you buy it either dumb dumb.

>>724605967
Okay, so you don't own it. Good job, genius.

>>724606116
>buy a book in 1820
>read the book
>sell the book
>dumbfuck approaches: "ummm you don't actually think you own that book hehehe, it's just paper, you own the transferrable license, not the book
That's you. It's the same fucking thing. You're not correcting anyone when you say this. Nobody is confused. It's how it always has been.

>makes you unable to buy games in your country.
Lets just be honest and admit what steam really is, it's a north american authoritarian digital game service designed to move everything to digital and keep people obeying the DMCA under the all mighty US KEK LAWS at all costs because they rely on american dollars to exist.

They don't give a shit about other countries or what they can afford as gamers. That fat fuck gaben couldnt figure out how to stop people using different IP's to buy game cheaper in different currencies, so instead of fixing the problem he just said fuck you to half the world.

Only US NATO cucks use steam. The rest of the world does not give a FUCK about US cuckright laws or steam.

>>724605981
>and the disc
You own the disc. That's it. That's why it's theft if they steal it from you. You do not own the data on that disc. You were granted a license to use it with the purchase of the disc.

>>724606183
Hey dumbfuck fedora tipping glasses pushing worthless NEET pedophile, I own it.

>>724606268
So if I don't own the data on the disc, I can wipe it and sell it to someone else because the data isn't mine?

Also how can copying files be theft if the owner isn't deprived

>>724606241
>buy a game cartridge in 2020
>stare at the cartridge to play the game
>sell the cartridge
>durrhurr dahurr
Video games are all digital, dumbass. You're comparing apples to oranges.
>>724606306
You don't, you're coping over it.

>>724606241
Nigger law AS WRITTEN right now says they have the right to come into your house and take every disk copy of every game/movie/song you own and you've committed a felony every time you've played a game with DRM.
>But why haven't they
Because that would be completely impractical logistically.

>>724603102 (OP)
They're not even trying to hide it anymore.

>>724606374
>law AS WRITTEN right now says they have the right to come into your house and take every disk copy of every game/movie/song you own and you've committed a felony every time you've played a game with DRM.
No it doesn't.
>nigger
Mad autistic white spotted

>Oct 2024
drink bleach OP

Daily reminder piracy is not theft there is no theft involved. It cannot be defined as theft in any way under any jurisdiction in any country because it fundamentally is not theft. You are not doing damages and you are not depriving anyone of their original property. This has been the definition of theft that has been agreed upon for all of human history.

The only legal law you are breaking is copyright which is a US law, and copyright has no legal or moral right to exist and is not enforceable in any way.

>>724606356
>transferrable licensed media isn't transferrable licensed media because one has electronics
False.
>>724606374
>but muh gubment seizure
Nothing to do with anything that was mentioned.

>>724605649
>For the majority of human history if you paid for something you owned it
If I paid for a ticket to watch a shakespeare play back in the day, do I own it?
Video games have always been a service chud, that's what arcade games were. Even stuff like nes games later were sold to you on a license basis, the technology to enforce it just didn't exist.
>>724606535
they literally send like 500 euro fines to europoors in places like germany for piracy lmao.

>>724603102 (OP)
>Did they betray their customers?
Yes, look at TF2 and Artifact.

>>724606340
>I can wipe it and sell it to someone else
If you tell them it's just the disc. Otherwise it's fraud because they're going to be assuming you're transferring your license.
>Also how can copying files be theft
It's not, that's why it's called piracy.

why are you cropping the account of the tweet

Console niggers shouldn't be so cocky.

>>724606610
>If I paid for a ticket to watch a shakespeare play back in the day, do I own it?
You can't own a service, no.
>Video games have always been a service
Completely false. Are you just dogshit retarded? Video games can be a service. Not all video games are a service.
>Even stuff like nes games later were sold to you on a license basis
Every single form of entertainment media has been sold as a license BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SELLING YOU THE IP DUMBFUCK. jesus christ learn the difference

>>724606771
>Completely false. Are you just dogshit retarded? Video games can be a service. Not all video games are a service.
video games from the very start have been services. That's literally what arcade games were dude. Even later when you bought a console, you were always viewed as someone being provided a service rather than buying a standard object.
>Every single form of entertainment media has been sold as a license
yeah so what exactly is your argument if you're debunking it yourself? You said this thing was new even though it's not.

>>724606724
>debunked in the comments and OP shamed
Nigger tried to return a $499 console bundle for a $450 non bundle while keeping the bundled game.

You fell for propaganda.

>>724606610
A ticket live service is not a physical tangible product you own, it's the same essentially as a tip. Food at a restaurant is a physical item they give to you so it's yours.

A physical thing you have in your possession that you either consume or keep permanently as apart of you is something you own because it can be stolen from you.

You have legal rights to it whether physical files on physical disc or digital files. Like I said only cuckies use steam or obey cuckyright like turk germs and japanese dogs as well as mutts.

The rest of the world laughs at western cucks, nip dogs and US mutts for destroying human creativity and freedom of expression which is why the US and NATO will lose.

The west are collapsing countries which no one cares about their futures and the people are actively revolting in them.

>>724603102 (OP)
I only pay money to support games. If they take away their licenses, I will pirate it. It means nothing to me what they do after I have chosen to support a game if I can get it online for free. For games where I know that won't be possible, I wait until the game stops updating and it's always fine. I'm still playing games from 15 years ago online. Just finished playing a game of bo2 zombies with randoms, it was great.

>>724606969
Oh okay, licenses instead of ownership are a good thing now then

>>724603102 (OP)
Nintendo is treating their physical games and consoles as revokable assets as well now, so it's all fucked no matter how you slice it.
They can and WILL revoke access to your games and even your fucking system if they find you doing things they don't like with hardware YOU purchased.

this is awful enough to never buy their dogshit. At least when you buy a deck, valve ENCOURAGES users to tinker with their hardware. As for the software, as always, it's about how much you trust Valve. They walk a narrow rope built on consumer respect.

>>724606984
idk what you're spazzing out about lil nigga.
Even china has its form copyright for their own local products, you can't start certain businesses there without getting permission from the government first.
Go to china and try to copy what huawei is doing and you'll see how fast you get shut down.
Tell me what country you're from and I'll pull up your copyright laws right now with cases of people being punished in court.

>>724603102 (OP)
Console users don't even own the hardware anymore and people are still dumb enough to get up in arms over something that has literally always been the case with software.
Things changed in the digital age where you could just freely copy and sell a product if you were granted actual ownership, Video games are digital goods. It's not that complicated. What matters far more is how much control you have over your copy of the software and that's something PC offers in spades over consoles. It's also way more convenient and cheaper, which is why physical is dying, everything is coming to PC, and consoles have lost a ton of ground compared to 15 years ago.

>>724606924
Yeah you're a troll. There's legal precedent over the fact that games can exist as either products or services and laws acknowledge they can exist as either products or services. Last time I'm replying to this chain.

>>724607081
Move the goalpost wherever you want. Fact is you fell for misinformation.

>>724607196
>There's legal precedent over the fact that games can exist as either products or services and laws acknowledge they can exist as either products or services
you don't even understand what argument you're making. You literally said yourself that things existing as a service is basically new, it isn't. Prostitution is the oldest profession we have records of. It can be argued services existed long before products did, your initial statement makes no sense.
The law states they can exist as services and that's what they've always been.

>>724607167
Then you don't own your computer either.

>>724603102 (OP)
Why do retarded thirdies have such trouble understanding that this was always a thing? If you want to "own" your games, buy it on GoG or pirate it you retard.

>>724607284
>>724607262
>For the majority of human history if you paid for something you owned it
those are your own words, a quick look at history would show that's not true at all.

>>724607131
You don't own your computer or the right to solder or repair it then LOL have fun in jail

>>724603181
>he thinks physical copies aren't just licenses as well

>>724607284
Literally not wasting a second of my time on you.

>>724607316
I own all the hardware. What I do not own is the software on it that I did not make. Again, not that complicated.

>>724607352
If you paid for something physical you own it and the right to copy it or reproduce it, which is obviously what is being referred to here in the context of physical games and files

The only reason why companies are kvetching is because it can be shared easily now despite it not being theft, ever and it never was.

>>724607398
>I own all the hardware.
Same.
>What I do not own is the software on it that I did not make.
I know.

>>724603102 (OP)
So is a game you bought in a store analog? Please show me the varying levels of pits on the disc.

>>724607393
All entertainment media are just licenses, you don't own the IP, but a license.

>>724607262
>the point was why was steam betraying their customers by not letting you own digital games
>the counterpoint was that you don't own fucking shit on consoles either and they can (and will) take your games away at any time
>this is moving the goalposts for some reason
Stop using buzzwords you don't understand

>>724607551
You don't own digital games on consoles either which is what that user tried to steal. You can't own digital anything.

>>724606724
Did you just run to reddit to get embarassed by a bullshit story even reddit figured out?

>>724607167
>Console users don't even own the hardware anymore
Technically they own the hardware, it's just been so locked down and addled with DRM, and they have zero control over it, so if the console maker wants to brick it via the software, which they openly say they have the right to do for any reason they want, the consumer now owns a useless lump of garbage.

>>724607738
Which would be illegal for the manufacturer to do unless you intentionally cause it to happen.

>>724607354
I don't own any prebuilt computers. Repairing hardware is also often times more expensive than buying something new.
>>724607434
>If you paid for something physical you own it and the right to copy it or reproduce it, which is obviously what is being referred to here in the context of physical games and files
it can be, but only if that's been agreed as part of the you're buying it on. If you buy something that's being sold to you as a license, you're basically agreeing to the restrictions they're putting in place legally.
It's similar to how ferrari doesn't let you modify the car unless you meet certain requirements, and in some cases they can legally prevent you from doing it at all.

Every single one of these threads boils down to these basic concepts:
>Steam bad, but I can't give one good alternative
>the Steam license agreement says you don't own the games, and you must abide by it
>the license agreement for console games or [whatever store I'm shilling here] says you don't own the games, and that's irrelevant because license agreements don't count
It's the same schizos every time.

Basically piracy in 2025 comes down to two groups and their actions

1. Greedy jews and corpos who would rather die than let a single person view or play their content for free even 100 years into the future and is willing to destroy entire archives if it means making a buck, all protected by american law

2. Normal regular people AKA the 8 billion people on earth who believe in the greater good archival of media by any means necessary, which is the only way to archive things is worth more than money

So which side will you choose, jews or the people? Jews are literally the root problem of humanity. They are going to make sure earth burns before we go interstellar. They have to go.

>>724607847
>I lost the argument, time to do some damage control

>>724603181
EGS lets you own games

>>724607919
If it's digital its unownable

>>724607915
That was my first post in the thread. You're just a lying schizo. You have never owned a video game you didn't write. This goes back to the physical days.
>but I can resell
It's illegal, but not enforced as long as it's the original.
Cope and seethe. Steam won, and it's here to stay.
>>724608010
All video games are digital. Even laserdisc games with an analog video component are still digital in the gameplay department.

>>724608014
bad argument.
I don't buy a play if i pay to watch one, I buy a license to experience it, and I can legally be held responsible for copying their play and selling tickers for cheaper.

>>724603102 (OP)
>Its another Indians seething at Valve thread
Valve doesn't need to create the infrastructure, write the laws and establish precedent for trading digital licences. That isn't their fucking job, nor is it their problem. If you care so much, petition your government to establish the legislative framework for you to create your own platform to share purchased games.

IF it is such a great idea then it will overtake steam by 2030 and they will probably adopt it by 2028 or just buy you out the moment you get going.

>>724607826
They are well within their rights to do whatever they want to the software and services that they own. Which is why they can just shut down things like stores, apps and online whenever they want and people just have to deal with it. You use their software, you play by their rules and their rules say they can shut you out for any reason they choose.

>>724608014
I agree. Pirate all digital media.

>>724608014
So shoplifting from a video rental store could be morally justified? You didn't steal it, since you weren't allowed to own it.
>I'm going to steal this because someone won't sell/give it to me
is the most brown way to live.

>>724603102 (OP)
They were never on your side. This was always the way it was and the only difference is that they have been forced to put it where normalfags can see it by countries with actual consumer protection laws.
Welcome to the real world normalfag. It is so much worse than you thought.

>>724603102 (OP)
It's because some retarded EU country made a law saying that if you buy a game you have to be allowed to resell, which is fine in principal but totally fucks up the market on digital games and forced companies that haven't already done the license bullshit to adopt it

>>724608219
I can play games in my steam library I bought 20+ years ago, even games that are delisted from the store now. It truly is so much worse than I thought.

>>724608129
Because valve is a legal monopoly and the only problem with america is Washington D.C. and Tel-Aviv hasn't been nuked to smithereen and ashes yet.

That's the only problem. Everything else in the world is working just fine, without american mutt laws. That's why brits and americans are moving to eastern europe like belarus and serbia or like pewdiepie moving to japan, if they can even afford it. The US is crumbling, NATO is crumbling, the EU with migrant filled cities are crumbling.

>>724608065
>another actual faggot who thinks owning software means owning the IP
How do you people exist? You realise I can just look at the physical games I own to prove you wrong.
>All video games are digital.
What about books where the exact same rules apply?

>>724608302
>realise
>s
Oh, you're poor. Carry on and never @ me again.

>>724603423
>Copyright doesn't get to pick and choose, the law is the law.
And the law gets changed by corporate lobbyists. The law isn't in your favor.

>>724608293
>epic gaymes
>gog
>ea/ubisoft shit
>literal piracy websites handing out games for free
the valve is a monopoly cope needs to end already.

>>724608136
Nope. Nintendo can't just brick every sold switch today without a landacape changing lawsuit and money paid out.

>>724608343
this doesn't even include blizzard, which iirc has more users than steam btw

>>724608326
Glad to be done speaking with you.

>>724608331
Then I'm not going to obey this "law" if its not legally going to respect what humans have done for generations, that is, if you buy something physical and own it in your possession, YOU OWN IT.

Let me repeat when you pirate games, there is no laws of theft being broken, there is no theft. It is not theft it never was. It is violation of copyright, which is not enforceable and morally bankrupt.

>>724608282
Just because Valve is currently acceptable doesn't mean after gayben dies you won't get fucked in the ass but the asshole that takes over just because they legally can.

>>724608518
>2 more weeks
>still not a single viable alternative, but I should stop using Steam because games are the least attractive hobby to women

>>724608518
nothing will happen, his son thinks the same way as him and will take over once he's gone. Keep in mind it's a private business, decisions aren't made by shareholders.
Steam is a literal money printing machine, there's no reason to ever change anything.

>>724608293
>valve is a legal monopoly
Except valve isn't a legal monopoly. It isn't even close. There is app stores, publisher run stores, retailers, etc. Valve having really shit competition doesn't make them a monopoly. Legal monopolies are the water system or electrical grid which got sold to taiwanese investors.
Anti-trust laws could suggest that Valve needs to break up its holdings but that is retarded. Mainly because there are so many markets that are actually important that aren't being regulated properly.

>>724608392
Nintendo likes money, so why would they do that. We're talking about you having to abide by their rules or you getting locked out, not Nintendo going full retard and lighting their HQ on fire. But yes, technically they are allowed to do that, if they wanted to burn to the ground. They can push out an update that breaks shit and simply not fix it if they wanted to. That's well within their right. If they thought torching the switch would seamlessly transfer ever switch owner over to the switch 2 without any headaches, they absolutely would. They are only as consumer friendly as the money they believe they can milk and burning that many bridges would burn a lot of money. Either way, that is a very low bar to try and defend anything over.

>>724608470
Yeah I didn't say I liked copyright law. Governments all over the world stopped regulating decades ago. Pirate away brother. I find it especially fucked because the streaming market killed so much shit.
>Episode of show has blackface in a satirical way
>Episode mentions Israel in negative light
Corporate control has gotten out of hand and your average western person is living in great depression tier living standards.

>>724603102 (OP)
It's telling of posters like this, that although this shit applies to everyone who sells digital games, they only toss accusations at valve.
Corporations are not your friend no matter how often they tell you so on the contract paperwork, OP. Phil, Bezos, Timmy, Hideaki, and Doug will all fuck you just as readily, eagerly, and deeply as Gaben will, and in most cases, with much less lube.

>>724608715
>We're talking about you having to abide by their rules or you getting locked out
Ok, but I'm talking about owning physical media and laws on licensed media modification.

>>724608715
>They can push out an update that breaks shit and simply not fix it if they wanted to.
Similar to how they lied about game sharing, or any of the features and services they kill once they deem a system obsolete

>>724608959
*and not

>>724608959
>Ok, but I'm talking about owning physical media
You'll still own the cartridge itself. You just won't be able to play it. Nintendo can apparently ban those individually too though if they want. Because, again, you do not own the data on it. Nintendo does. And unlike in the past, they now have the internet to enable them to exercise that right of ownership.

>>724603102 (OP)
kys fag

>>724609221
Nobody in this thread is confusing owning media with owning the IP on that media, I promise you. There is nobody here that is looking for you to say AHKSHULLY. You are not needed. Exit please.

>>724603102 (OP)
You pay for digital videogames?

>>724609492
ahem >>724608014

>>724608181
It is illegal and its not morally justified to steal the DVD, that's theft, however, I have every right to take that DVD or game home, copy it and return the disc with its original data, which is not theft, it is copyright infringement which is not enforceable and copyright is not morally right.

>>724609362
You can keep trying to fall back on this, but you're just using misdirection and doublespeak. Even in this very post you still try to say own the 'media', thinking rewording it makes a difference. You can't claim you own the game and then try to say you don't own the IP when you get backed into a corner. You either own the game or you do not, and the answer is, you do not. It has ALWAYS been a license. When you buy physical, all you are buying and owning is the storage.

>>724609645
not him but if it has always been a license and you never owned it, then it can never be stolen if copied digitally. It's not theft.

I posted this multiple times, and the schizos ignore it. This has always been the case. This is a scan from the manual for Sam & Max Hit the Road (1993).
>but they can't take my game away without guns
Cool, and Valve can't take your game away that you Goldberged.

>>724609627
if everyone did that they would go out of business, the same way if everyone pirated every game.

>>724603181
doesnt really help when there is no data on the disc just a code that lets you download it from a storefront lmao

>>724609685
Correct. That's piracy. It's only theft if they steal the storage medium it's on, since they're actually stealing the disc or cartridge from you. That disc could be empty and worthless, but taking it from you is still stealing.

>>724609645
>You can't claim you own the game and then try to say you don't own the IP
Yes you fucking can.

Owning the game = transferrable license
Not owning the game = nontransferrable license

In neither cases do you own the IP. In only one case do you own the software/media/disc/cart/book/cassette/ whatever the fuck the IP is on.

Did you fail venn diagrams in 2nd grade or something. Do you know how to compare and contrast similar things?

>>724609221
Copyright infringement and copying of files is impossible to enforce, and the DMCA morally goes against all of human history where people have copied for centuries.

Did you know The US government has infringed on british copyrights(who are the original creators of the idea) and stole countless designs, ideas and schematics for water mills, factory machines during the revolutionary war? Then after the war was over in 1790 they instituted copyright in america, right after they were done stealing. America was and always is a hypocrite nation.

It's funny how retards think weimerica and its collapse with its 25 year old laws is really the defining statute of what is legally allowed in the world for the future. Zoomers aren't going to work, America is collapsing and in 20 years your little american laws and DMCA are going to be poof, gone because america won't exist. LOL

>>724609939
Post your Windows regional settings.

>>724609765
Sales aren't final, you don't get to own something forever and its rights because you potentially could of missed out on sales 20 years from now or any money. If you have a the original and I have original copy, and because I have the original you go out of business, then the free market has decided that your business doesn't need to exist because it's useless.

GET FUCKED LMAO.

>>724609928
>transferrable license
You're so close to getting it, but you don't want to. Even you say right here that you own a license. It's this simple. You do not own the game. The game is all copyright, it's on the same level as the IP you try to conflate it with.

>>724609939
>Copyright infringement and copying of files is impossible to enforce,
if it was impossible you wouldn't be seething so hard about it lil nigga
>against all of human history where people have copied for centuries.
not true at all, pick up a history book. You didn't even get what the fathers thought about copyright right lmao.
>>724610036
>sales 20 years from now or any money.
20 years ago? I'm talking about today.
Let's say 90% of people pirate gta 6, do you really think there would be a gta 7? Making games wouldn't make you any money.

>>724603102 (OP)
Good morning Tim.

>>724603181
>>724603181
Guess what it says on the disk case or manual

>>724610123
Do you think people own hardcover books? Or do they just own a license?

>>724610206
it depends on who you buy the books from, some are alright with giving you the actual book itself that you can copy, edit, resell, etc. while others give you a license.

>>724610205
No.

>>724610206
You already tried this. Digital is different. But even then, you own the pages that story is printed on. You do not own the story. This is not complicated. People just want to cope over thinking they own all those games on their shelves when all they own is the plastic.

>>724610143
You wouldn't even have a pot to piss in or even be alive nor your great grandparents and their great grandparents if copyright existed back when they were alive. You wouldn't even have bread to eat at the store or have a computer with electricity, pipe down retard. Everything you owe to your worthless pathetic existence is due to great men who were inventors and shared things freely.

Damn. I'm totally deleting steam now and installing the far superior Epic Games Store!

Steam bad! Epic games good!