Thread 724627145

How will they ever recover from this?

Real time lost.

Cope and seethe.

>>724627145 (OP)
>How will they ever recover from this?
They won't. They will just continue to whine that real time games are hard and confusing. Case in proof right here: >>724627254

>>724627145 (OP)
So why does it explicitly say "Remake Intergrade" and not "Shitbirth"?

>>724627145 (OP)
Both are opportunist faggots and this is cringe as fuck.

Kino.
Rebirth won GOTY and sold millions btw.

>people in charge of final fantasy are looking up to french nepo babies
grim

>>724627645
Because it's an event where remake is releasing for switch 2. I don't think they announced rebirth for switch 2 yet

>>724627645
Because Remake is being released for Switch 2 and Xbox in January, retard.

>>724627145 (OP)
I'll just continue not buying FF games. like the last 1.5 decades.

>>724627145 (OP)
kinda embarassing how squeenix constantly tries to leech off E33 LMAO

>>724627145 (OP)
Who told the artist to race swap the chars during development?

>>724627145 (OP)
What's the point of making real time games with turn based mechanics though?
FO4 did this but making VATS slow time with highlighting instead of paused with overlay and it was just fucking annoying.

>>724627145 (OP)
Hi Tendie, try to be more subtle when falseflagging

>>724628519
And vice-versa. SE has turn based games already. Sandfall is running hard in the HELLO FELLOW TURN BASED

>>724628692
What do you mean? FF7R is a real time game, you can just pause the action to choose an ability from the menu, if required.

>Sell out your fans to appease shareholders
>Stock tanks anyway
Common Squenix L

>>724628519
It's a dual leeching though, right now the controversy with FF is pure free marketing, you are the underdog and Square enix while confused wants to latch onto this western game because gaijins love it for some reason (hamaguchi didn't even play e33 till they send him a copy)

>>724627254
>faglus
Imagine being owned by a poorfag company like seg -ACK

>>724628903
Weird how the only other game company that also makes consoles didn't seem to count for this ranking.

>>724628617
>white guy, white girl, asian girl
>race swapped to a white guy, white girl, asian girl
>SJWs complained on release that the game was racist because it was too white when 99% of the game is just about 5 family members and the several different painted versions of them
???

>>724627145 (OP)
SaGa team must feel like shit

>>724628837
When was the last time they made a turn based FF game? Remember when FFI had D&D spell slots before they reconned it to mana for the rerelease?

>>724628889
It hasn't been a good year for turn-turd fags. heh

>>724629171
Ever Crisis is turn-based.

>>724629008
Nintendo is the only Japanese company that makes consoles.

>>724627145 (OP)
9/11 for /vpol/

>>724627145 (OP)
Yesterday was the 30th retard

>>724629301
>he doesn't know what 9/11 refers to
grim

>>724627145 (OP)
reminder that E33 head honco is certified FF8 chad so of course he mogs the virgin remake director

feels good when you're capable of liking more than 1 game

>>724627145 (OP)
Everything I heard about 33 made it sound like complete shit

>>724629917
But se made turn based games

>>724630092
Emphasis on 'made'

>>724630080
Clean the shit from your ears then.

>>724629917
>>724630220
A third (fourth) Octopath game is coming out in a month.

>>724630092
majority of what they released last year was turn-based, it's just new FF that abandoned it

>>724627145 (OP)
Square didn't recover since FFXIII. Frenchies are the last hope for the genre.

>>724628617
Wish we had that UE4 version instead, even if it means sacrificing facial animation.

>>724630821
Square Enix still makes tons of turn-based games, you turn-tards just pretend that they don't exist.

>>724631097
How many of them are good or even just not shovelware?

>>724630663
and FF is a flagship series for the studio that had millions of people fall in love with the games before they started chasing after the zoomer and streamer audience who hadn't touched the series.
although I do think letting toriyama run wild with the mainline games for over half a decade just so he could jerk off about much he loved the OC he wrote on stage was the beginning of the end.

>>724627145 (OP)
Are turn based haters retarded? This literally vindicates turn based GODs because SE is bowing down to based Frenchies making turn based games admitting that they were wrong.

>>724631097
>it doesn't matter than their flagship IP that put them on the map and was turn based for 20 years turned into action slop, because their shitty side games nobody has heard about or played and are made by different teams do have turns!
Compelling argument

>>724631654
Golden era Square wasn't just FF.

what's a 9/11? moreover, what happened yesterday?

>>724629917
>make a turn based final fantasy ripoff
e33 is not turn based, but a non functional hybrid.

>>724631654
Cry harder, turn tranny. Most people can play both action and turn-based games, because they have at least a normal IQ and two functioning hands.

>>724631654
>Compelling argument
Yes. Much better than
>T-those don't count!

>>724627145 (OP)
Square enix so fucking washed that they have to grovel in front of the e33 french chads
This is sad

sandfall director loves final famtasy 8 thats why you see all the dicksucking

>>724631935
>non functional
Werks on my machine.

>>724631935
>e33 is not turn based
this fucking thread lmao

>>724627145 (OP)
>FFXVI
>first mainline 100% action game
>kills the franchise
yeah howd that work out for square enix

>>724632309
Keep on coping, Barry.

>>724632407
They're both shit FFXVI shill

>>724632407
This was clearly made with turn-based fans in mind.

>>724632309
>first mainline 100% action game
XV was memoryholed that hard, huh?

>>724627145 (OP)
both of those games are fucking garbage
there's nothing to care about for turn-based people
final fantasy hasn't been turn-based for fucking decades and it won't start with this new piece of shit remakes/sequals/trash, it's all trash

>>724632490
I think he means that it's the first time they've completely done away with the RPG stuff. XV may have had action but it at least pretending to still somewhat be a JRPG. XVI is just poorman's DMC.

>>724631935
>E33 is not le turn based akshually
This is the retarded copium SE fags actually believe

>>724632653
It's really funny how hard Expedition 33 absolutely mindbroke Remake shills.

>>724630821
E33 is just "turn based" Souls. If the future of JRPGs are souls clones then lmao.

>>724631473
Yes but that "they" doesn't refer to the same group of people, that is the problem. Squaresoft was a completely different entity than Square Enix ended up being. Despite some employee leftofers they carry a very different vision. Having the expectation that you'll ever return to Squaresoft is just setting yourself up for disappointment, but I suppose that's pretty much what the FF fanbase continues to do over the years.

>>724627145 (OP)
i like both franchises

>>724632935
See>>724632653

>>724633085
You have to actively time your dodges and parries, it's not turn based.

>muh super mario rpg
You don't completely negate all damage in those style of games, it's just a damage cut. The higher end fights are tuned around not taking any damage in E33.

>>724631954
You sound mad

>>724633334
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aviowEjJjgg&t=3562s
You can literally beat the entire game on hard without even touching the dodge or parry.

>>724631954
>Most people can play both action and turn-based games
This is everyone. I'm pretty sure "turn trannies" who only play turn-based games only exist in your head. ADHD retards who can't sit still long enough to play a turn-based game definitely exist though.

>>724633334
>You don't completely negate all damage in those style of games
You do in Mario & Luigi

>>724633413
>just spend 51 minutes on a fight using a specific setup and specific gear
Yeah, your average player isn't stumbling into that.

>>724633049
no fucking shit the series is not going to have the exact same people working on it for nearly 40 years. the smart thing to do is appoint people into lead roles who try to carry on the series for what made it popular in the first place, not people who want to chase every other popular trend under the sun aside from the one that made it popular in the first place.

>>724633334
That's not even true and even if it were true it still doesn't actually mean anything.
>You have to actively time your dodges and parries, it's not turn based.
This does not change the fact that it's turn based no matter how much you cope and seethe like an impotent little bitch cuck. TURN BASED. Means you take turns to do things. Which you do.

>>724633490
Your blocks reduce the damage taken even in Brothership.

>>724633559
That's like saying Valkyria Chronicles is turn based. Technically it might be true but when you play it, it's really not what people mean when they talk about a turn based game.

>>724631767
Where are my Breath of Fire, Chrono, Front Mission and Parasite Eve sequels?

>>724633712
BoF is from Capcom, silly.

>>724627145 (OP)
>turd based fags shit all over Final Fantasy all day, because they are too brown to follow the faster paced action
>E33 developers come out and say that they actually like FF7 Remake and FF7 Rebirth
Yep, this truly is their 9/11 all right. lel

>>724633648
Blocks are for casuals who can't jump and hammer, both of which can negate all damage. Play the fucking game.

>>724633515
>you can't do that
>you can
>well no one will do that
>people were slapping on every damage and AP picto on a character after end game grinding to the point where they basically started one shotting every boss in the game to and the devs decided to add an enemy health modifier that goes up to x100 HP

>>724633418
Cope, turn tranny.

From the people who brought you
>Pokemon is not a JRPG
comes a whole new level of retardation. This summer, prepare yourself for
>Valkyria Chronicles isn't turn-based

>>724627145 (OP)
>Final Fantasy, what used to be the single most popular and best selling JRPG IP of all time, grovels at the feet of a bunch of Frenchies after they were utterly BTFO by their baguette game
Hilarious

>>724634229
Ok. I'll cope by booting up Palworld.

>>724627145 (OP)
>>724627254
>>724633418
Friendly reminder that turn-based fans won't give up until we have gone back to this.

Why? Because they hate the main activity in RPGs, which is combat.

>>724628889
Zoom out and they are up 43% this year

>>724627145 (OP)
>nuSE forced to acknowledge the superiority of CE:33
TurnBASED wins again
>>724627254
Fpbp

>>724634483
it's because they're women. women love rpgs and just want it to be a picture book where they can dress up the characters.

>>724627145 (OP)
I find it funny how a small french studio BTFO nips by just adding a parry mechanic to a 25 year outdated JRPG combat system.
Why are Japs so bad at innovation?

>>724634483
>almost eats shit to a random mob at the end
Kek

>>724627145 (OP)
>people STILL going on about remaking FFVII
It was an okay game. Move the fuck on with your lives.

>>724627254
>>724634703
Confirmed brown.

>>724634142
If I wanted an action game I'll play an action game from a series that is leagues ahead of nuFF.
just like I don't want to play the recent GoW games because the design is so at odds with an action game they had to add a flashing indicator to show where you're being attacked from, otherwise the devs admitted it would basically be unplayable.
this shit is just pandering to people who didn't like the original games in the first place, but want to be fans of it anyway.

>>724634483
>0/825
>38/100
>7/45
Damn, you got your ass beaten anon. Maybe get better at the game eh?

>>724628519
every numbered ff game sold more than E33 and if we are talking about leeching off dont forget that E33 is basically just a FFX copy

>>724631654
ATB is dogshit

How the tables have turned.

>>724634862
>baguettes can make better FFs than the FF devs
Grim

>>724634792
Doesn't seems like SE can move on since they are still planning for part 3.

Rebirth is a better game and its not even close

>>724631654
>>724634876
atb isn't even turn based, the turns advance automatically

>>724634795
Only browns love actionslop, go play Ghost of YoDEI

>>724634957
It needed one... no, two more alternate timelines to make the cut

>>724634949
Rebirth shits on e33 it is a generation beyond it, its the best jrpg since DQ8

>>724634897
New FF is dogshit and Claire Obscure is ludokino, not hard to understand.

>>724634704
Women don't really play RPGs.

Almost every every real-time hater and turn-based stan is almost always some shade of brown and almost never White or East Asian. Just check twitter.

>>724635016
you being retarded to the point ff7 story is too complicated for you.. thats on you

>>724631654
Damn, you made them seethe

>>724627145 (OP)
you can tell the next FF is going to be MEGAKINO

>>724634957
lol.

>>724635020
lol
lmao even

>>724634969
The only games that have good ATB are XIII, XIII-2 and X-2. All maligned by people who claim to love "turn based"

>>724634862
>every numbered ff game sold more than E33
>"Life Is Strange Double Exposure" was offset by a large loss, and in the third quarter of FY25, sales declined from the same period of the previous fiscal year. At present, the "FINAL FANTASY XVI" released in June is estimated at more than three and a half million units and Toyo Securities.
>https://kabutan.jp/news/marketnews/?b=n202503130535
E33 is like at 5 mil now

>>724635054
>real-time hater and turn-based stan
Prove to me these exist.

>>724635054
>Women don't really play RPGs.
they took over tales and final fantasy. they're even playing crpgs like bg3 now(in the bear sex reveal, you can hear women in the audience cheering). women are the main consumers now, whites and east asians are playing turn based rpg gachas for the ecchi content.

>>724634969
ATB with pause on action choice is a thing. Also it was just a visual representation of different characters having variable speed as opposed to the more traditional "everyone gets 1 action per turn and speed is just used to determine order" though it isn't necessary.

>>724635076
KH-tier fanfic ≠ FFVII

FFVII's story was perfectly understandable and ended in 1997

>>724627145 (OP)
With how FF7 Intergrade and Rebirth turned out, this might be a good thing if he feels inspired. With how boring and long winded the two games were, it really can't get worse. Not saying Expedition 33 was good by any means, but can't make FF7 part 3 than what it would have been intended to be. At least from my point of view.

>>724635020
This is bait

>>724627145 (OP)
Why didn't this happen for Baldur's Gate 3 and METAPHOR?

>>724627145 (OP)
>Meets up with the FF7R team
>Completely ignores and acts like the FF14 andd FF16 team don't exist

>>724635153
>XIII
>the game that was so bad everyone hated it on release including normalfags

>>724635020
I wonder how many nominations E33 will receive. After all, it is only truly praised for its narrative.

>/v/tard schizos spend the whole year making up schizo stories about how Squareenix and E33 devs hate each other
>this event where they mutually respect each other and talk about how they love each other's games comes out

lol how embarassing

>>724635207
>use steal
>action queue pushes your command back an arbitrary number of turns
>animation lock let's the enemy stack multiple turns
>steal 5 minutes later
How can you possibly defend ATB when FFIX exists.

>>724635419
Not counting building faggotry and music, right?

>>724635456
It's PR, you gorilla nigger. You wanted the E33 CEO to punch Nomura in the chin in front of the cameras? The fuck you think they're gonna act like?

>>724635354
Only 4 million copies of FF16 has been sold, mostly because CU3 just cut too many RPG mechanics.

That said FF7R is king and not FF16.

>>724635346
Metaphor didn't sell enough to make SE take notice, and BG3 is a cRPG. Turn based, sure but virtually as far away as a jRPG as you can get without completely changing the core design.

TOTAL RTWP DEATH

>>724635521
I'm not defending anything one way or the other. I'm saying the difference is at best marginal and at worst completely superficial.

>>724635419
Best game, narrative and ost I think are possibilities

>>724635557
You typically don't voluntarily arrange meetings and events with your rival where you promote each other's goods
I'm no expert on jap bizniz etiquette tho

>>724635616
I used to think the same way until I replayed 9 and realized nearly every FF game would be better if it was just regular turn based. Except 12.

>>724635456
Yeah it's a rough day for them

>>724635602
Good, it was always shit. It was a compromise made due to lack of time, it died for a reason.

>>724635668
A 30+ years old company acknowledging a newly founded one that made a better product than you is kinda shameful regardless of etiquette.

>>724635602
I do hope you enjoy FF7R Part 3 and Square Enix's next RTWP game, friend.

say what you will about Expedition 33 but I find it fucking hilarious that the facial animations in that game were recorded with literal phones and yet they look better than the facial animations in death stranding 2 even though kojima has a facial capture studio that took several million $ to build

>>724635838
RTWP chads are eatin' good. :))))

>>724635859
to be fair iphones has some of the best facial tracking cameras for consumers, i can see how using that data would work well in a video game.

>>724635835
All of the Square Enix execs and devs are piggies for white cokku. Just look at Yoshida debasing himself for Asmongold and other WoW streamer cokku. Just filthy and shameful.

>>724635702
Sounds like a balance problem rather than an inherent flaw of the system.

>>724635859
You are either blind or dumb.

There are anons on this board that to this day will tell you with a straight face E33 is a FOTM game.

>>724635969
There's an anon telling people E33 isn't turn based. /v/ isn't very bright anymore

FF7R is total dogshit for kingdom hearts obsessed zillenial autists and square enix hasn't been able to develop a fun game since the PS2 or write a good story since the PS1.

>>724636037
It is turn-based... very similar to Final Fantasy XIII, but with Atlus style menus.

>>724627145 (OP)
HamaGODchi and Sandfall saving JRPGs

>>724636087
Calm down, boomer.

>>724629008
Playstation is based in California retard

>>724627685
I dunno man, if I'm a game dev and my modern turn based rpg gets enough recognition to be collabing with FFVII I would be over the fucking moon.

>>724627145 (OP)
>>724636137
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if SE makes a AA title in the mold of Final Fantasy XIII and Persona 5 with a misery porn narrative. Easy money for low effort.

>>724632653
You can actually beat the game in expert without doing any dodge/parry. And before you say "but you're using cheesy builds", no you don't even need that (except for the few "gimmicks" fights & superbosses that actually require you to parry, it's like 3-4 enemies total).
But you don't know because you didn't play the game.

>>724628617
>Aryan Neitzchie Gustav and his hot sis
I need to get off consol.

>>724627145 (OP)
>refuses to make games in the old, beloved FF Style anymore
>new game comes out that gets likened to older FF games
>latches onto its success and becomes "deeply inspired"
motherfucker, how are you so dense that you weren't already inspired by the games YOUR COMPANY MADE?

>>724636336
Meant for >>724631935 & >>724632935 oops.

>>724629474
>forces internationally the slogan "Never forget"
>forgotten

>>724636087
Acktually FF7 is 99% AAA corridor and pointless filler simulator and 1% King Hearts nonsense
Which is even worse

>>724627145 (OP)
>FFXVII will be parry slop
i mean, it can't get worse than corridor slop, MMO slop, 1 button boyband slop and budget DMC slop but man.
atleast E33 was good

>>724635194
>Women took over rpgs! I heard them in an audience once!

>>724635965
Doesn't change the fact that ds2 is massively outperformed in the cost effective way, which makes you retarded to even try to contradict.

>>724636387
>implying this guy gets to decide what genre they're creating

>>724636391
It's forgotten because the jokes and memes got stale

>>724636563
My criticism applies to someone in the hierarchy, even if it's not him

>>724634862
E33 outsold Rebirth and FFXVI

>>724636478
desu FF17 would've ended up being parry slop with or without expedition 33's existence.
parries are THE contemporary shallow game mechanic that everyone thinks is skillful

>>724636387
This pic is their actual problem. This is what they are up against. E33 is nothing, at 5m it sold a fraction of a fraction of the above. Its a very annoying thorn in their side their core fans love. Still, only FF14 and gacha games matter so E33 is just this annoying topic they would ignore if they could.

>>724636432
>FF7 is 99% AAA corridor and pointless filler simulator
Kingdom Hearts is the same thing but with a generally lower budget

>>724635932
Asmon dono PUURIZU!!! WHITE COKKU PUURIZE!!! WATASHI WA RIDDURU PIGGY FOR WHITE COKKU!!! PUURIZU ASMON DONO DONT REAVE ME!!

>>724636956
Nah Kingdom Hearts actually has good levels and fun characters in them

>>724636770
Maybe they could compete with those other genres by releasing a game that doesn't suck and isn't written by retards with juvenile tastes. Like look at Nier Automata, that game was mediocre but it still kicked the shit out of everything square themselves made in the past 20 years and was a huge cultural phenomena.

>>724637191
I think SE doesn't feel ready to turn FF into a franchise sold through round butts

>>724637191
>Maybe they could compete with those other genres by releasing a game that doesn't suck
>Fifa
>CoD
>Genshin fucking impact

if you still play turn based games in 2025 you should be killed

>>724637461
You should have been aborted.

>>724634897
>one is shit and people dont like it
>one is great and people love it
woah..................... mind = BLOWN!

>>724637461
>says the Oshi No Ko poster

>>724634897
FF16 sold well and from what I understand the skilled devs are all working on FF14.

>>724627145 (OP)
SE kneeling to the inheritors of the Final Fantasy soul, holy based.

>>724636137
>very similar to Final Fantasy XIII
what's with people repeating this? FFXIII was turn based but had stance switching for everyone and an auto battler mode built in.

>>724637191
no one is looking to FF for these types of games, aside from people who don't play the series which is why it will fail every time.
this is not difficult to understand.

>>724637992
FFXIII didn't have auto-battler. The meat of the game is strategic role switching to rapidly build and then stabilize stagger gauge, as well as reset ATB. The "auto" command just automatically chose actions. It was still up to you to time paradigm shifts and monitor stagger.

Golf is turn based

>>724638392
what the fuck

ITT:

>>724638251
>FFXIII didn't have auto-battler.
>The "auto" command just automatically chose actions.
this is why XIIIfags get laughed at.

>>724627145 (OP)
So, will SMT and Persona have shit like "press a button at the right time to block" and mini-games for attacks? That's not good.

>>724637847
This is the saddest part of the image really.
ANY other time FF team would have told them to fuck off or been like 'yeah its cool we inspired them', but they genuinely can't now. They're desperate.

>>724638251
Auto-battle is literally the default command in ff13.

>>724637461
Correct.

If chess was turn-based but each time a piece tries to swallow another, the player has to play Guitar Hero and if they can play the whole song the opponent's move gets invalidated and they lose a turn, nobody would be calling this version of chess turn-based.

>>724636514
To be fair, there's also actual fags mixed in.

>>724638496
if you played the game, it explored woke themes(and the protagonist is brown) so that's journos boosting it because of ideology. anything too high is a red flag for that reason, deathloop being the ultimate example.

metaphor is a good game but it's an 8.

>>724634229
gay because you still have to walk in a turnbased game

>>724638496
>using a turn-based game that sold badly to shit all over FF7R chads
Least retarded turn troon.

>>724627254
FPBP

>>724635560
FF16 is such a missed opportunity, massive potential, completely lost because the team making the game or the guys at the very top at least were MMO devs with MMO mind set. Fucking retarded.

>>724639398
It's a bretty gud game if you like MMOs to be fair. The Odin fight is still a fucking letdown though.

>>724639715
I was just so disappointed with the side quest design, the world design and the lacking variety in exploration and lack of a party. It really didn't have that FF game flavour feel to it.

>>724627618
More like real time games are pure muscle memory and require zero neurons

Can somebody explain why the image makes some people mad and tell me who its making mad? Why would people be upset over this? Dev made game. New dev made game and said old dev inspired them. Now both devs get along. This for some reason enrages some people? Why? Who?

Square needs to understand that just adding flashy action combat without any real RPG depth doesn't make a game good. But at the same time, slapping turn based combat on an AAA game doesn't automatically make it a great RPG either. They've got to find that the perfect balance between the two. Both E33 and Rebirth are the closest thing to getting that balance right.

>>724639927
These people are too removed from reality to have any logic.

>>724639268
>>724639289
I like SMT & Persona.
I hated Metaphors summons.
They all looked like generic fodder summons you'd see in some shitty gacha.
Unlike SMT/Persona I just didnt feel any dopamine rushes of "I wonder what the next tier persona will have/I want to play just a little more to unlock it!" that I had with Atlus's other games.
Music was nice though.

>>724639927
this is just what happens to people with the obsessiveness to play MMOs who are also too unhinged to be able to function alongside others so they get into a single player RPG instead and when it ends and they have nothing left to obsess over besides the community this is what you get

>>724639927
A schizo (and his small entourage) who makes his entire unlife revolve around a franchise that has never been good and had only four turn based out of sixteen mainlines tries to convince people that some nepobaby somehow saved Final Fantasy and that the industry circlejerk will mean future Final Fantasy will RETVRN TO FORM with turn based games and sell 10 gorillion again.
Cue nobody buying the next game again because Final Fantasy is a zombie IP that doesn't sell because new generations haven't been indoctrinated like millennials to like a shitty franchise, turn based or not.

Cant we all just appreciate different good vidyas being done instead of everything being the same? E33 is very ffish but turn based. Ff7 remake has great combat and I think it works better in the setting. Neither is pure turn based but both has menus to select things mid fight. I'm morr concerned about everything else being shit on FF and literal whos doing a better Ff than SE even tho they already had the recipe (ff7)

>>724640750
If Square enix still made good games instead of paltry attempts at "improving" their core games, mediocre remakes of older better games and an absolutely shitty try at creating a new ip, we wouldn't need to have this conversation.

>>724635419
And the music. And world design. And enemy design. Character performances. It’s very telling to see somebody post this but not how many it actually won.

>>724635859
>>724636539
E33's lip movements don't even match the voices in any language. It definitely doesn't look good. It looks good ENOUGH, for a medium budget game.

>>724627254
/thread

>>724635419
>7 nominations for rebirth
>look inside
>0 wns

>>724630821
Master gif

>>724627145 (OP)
Tired of people trying to pit games against each other all the time
I liked both

>>724627145 (OP)
They cant keep snubbing Yoshi-P like this

>>724631654
Squareenix's flagship IP is dragon quest, FF was already dead when they merged

>>724643253
If you evaluate the games completely in a vacuum, sure. The problem is the veteran studio and basically the reference for the genre getting bent over by the newcomers that make a game that's not even that exceptional in the grand scheme of things.

>>724627254
Onions hands wrote this.

>>724634816
I hate nu GOW too. That's why I'm happy that chuds were able to turn nuKratos into a basedboy cuck through memetic warfare.

>>724643253
Anti FF-schizos can’t help themselves, they’ll just find a new game to do it with

>>724643580
I meant so more in the tone
Comparing games is fine. Critiquing how one does things better than another is fine.
Its more the hyper-exaggeration thats annoying
Like the steam chart comparisons with "NO NO"
And such
Like every game franchise is a team and you must treat other franchises as something evil to be killed and mocked

>>724643580
That veteran studio hasn't existed since the early 2000s, get real

>>724635835
I think the higher ups in square enix has a self humiliation fetish. Just look at how they're bending the knee for the E33 team. It's one thing to have another company make better games than you. But to bend the knee like this... the devs of square enix must be feeling quite humiliated don't you think?

>>724643253
>game comes out
>it it successful
>"FINAL FANTASY SUCKS"
Literally FF haters every single day. kek

It will get much, much worse after Part 3 is announced, because they are complete schizos.

>>724644107
Hey, don't post my onahole here, that's rude.

>>724644107
autism creature

Daily reminder that the reason why squeenix is eating shit is not because of turn based anything, it's because they mangled FF7.

>>724627145 (OP)
>all these RPG studios in the industry both western and eastern
>they collab with FF7R
what did they mean by this?

>>724635560
>Only 4 million copies of FF16 has been sold
Rebirth sold under 2M btw

>>724627145 (OP)
suddenly became best friend lol does he actually know expedition creator?

>>724644107
>Rebirth
>successful
Nice headcanon.

>>724644441
Imo SE trying to move away from turn based is a symptom of their production leadership being completely out of ideas and coherent design because they completely lack knowledge of the genre they are working on. The combat in e33 is stuff that already existed decades ago, and apparently producters at SE weren't aware of that.

>>724644107
>it it successful
>according to president Takashi Kiryu, who said back in May: "In the HD Games sub-segment, we released multiple new titles, including major titles such as Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, but profits unfortunately did not meet our expectations."
>uwu is that yuffers?! 10/10!

>>724644754
>Rebirth outsold DD2, Tekken, Astrobot on PS5
>exceeded expectations on PC
Yeah it's probably past 4 million by now

>>724645605
>probably
LMAO

>>724644979
Cry harder, little turnpiggu.

>>724645605
The meltdown will be glorious when SE announces that the Remake Trilogy has sold 20 million units.

>>724627145 (OP)
square enix literally never heard of this guys until this year. this is just some cheap PR like when yoshida does live letters in person.

>>724645605
Rebirth has long legs, so more like 5 million.

>>724643253
Tendies never got over ff7 on PS1. The moment FF recovers (if it does) they will go back hiding or pretend they were always FF supporters

>>724635859
AAA budgets are just bloated, especially with FF. It's no surprise Kojima praised the efficiency of the E33 team.

>>724646283
>least delusional FF7 fan

>>724646001
Screencapbait post

>>724646574
>least delusional FF7 hater

>>724627145 (OP)
Let's hope game devs learn from expedition 33 and start making stories and games for adults. It's fine that there are games for children of course but please a few more games for people who want adult stories.

>>724638496
Why were atlusfags so afraid to compete with ff in the past

>>724646880
You know Switch 2 versions of third parties games are selling really bad right? Switch 2 owners aren't buying anything anything except Bananza and Mario Kart, Cyberpunk is already on sale.

>>724646978
Kek

>>724646880
>key card
Dead on arrival.

>>724646563
>$300 million (2023)
Rebirth came out in 2024

>>724635560
>Only 4 million copies of FF16
And that's 4 million too many, desu, played it and half the amount of time I spent at it was to look at fucking cinematics.
The first 4 hours of game are literally like 3 hours of cinematics and an hour of gameplay.
>That said FF7R is king
Remake is better than 16, but redditbirth has the same crippling issues than 16.

>>724627145 (OP)
I simply prefer slower, more tactical gameplay. I want combat where smart planning and strategy is what decided a fight, not reaction time. It’s sad to see companies buy into the action slop meme, but I don’t run them. I simply do my job as a consumer and don’t buy their product. Simple as.

>>724627145 (OP)
>turn-based
Imagine enjoying games where 99% of them have combat that's even less complex than Wizardry (1980)
How the fuck is having a battle map in RPGs too hard 45 years later fucking lmao

>>724647028
>Source: my anus

>>724645818
woah they're confirming they're not going to leave P3 dead in the water? amazing!

>>724648631
>imagine enjoying a franchise that was TB for decades
>such a huge fan btw!

>>724649178
Well, I'm a millennial and I already played FF on the NES as a young kid in the late 1980s.

That said, Final Fantasy VII Remake and Final Fantasy VII Rebirth are the best games in the entire franchise IMO. They are true masterpieces and I can hardly wait to play Part 3!

>>724627254
FPBP

>>724649753
I prefer classic FF, Ivalice, and the Ivalice adjacent games like the 10/10 FFXVI.

>>724649753
damn, a true gamer...

>>724648817
>Nintendo Switch
Retard

>>724627145 (OP)
>real time
>troon based
both are irrelevant, picrel has ushered in the metroidvania renaissance. 2D is the future again

>>724647465
Rebirth is a low budget spinoff.
FFXVI was 2023.

>>724650185
Rebirth reuses a ton of Remake assets. The production costs of Rebirth were certainly even lower than that of Remake for that reason alone.

>>724650905
Probably similar to Remake's budget. What they saved on assets they pumped into minigames and Ubisoft towers.

>>724627145 (OP)
Babe wake up, two shitty games are working together

>>724651179
Clair obscur is kino and you're a tasteless retard

>>724627145 (OP)
It's weird, it feels like an old has-been trying to ride on the new guy's success give him back his relevancy and the new guy allows it because he was a fan of the old guy.

>>724651586
based.
there must be a name for that.

>>724650109
Silksong is real time game though.

>>724651586
>>724652064
Riding the Coattails for an attempted revival.

>>724628903
Kinda wild that capcom is that low with 3 big money makes like resident evil, mh and sf

>>724627145 (OP)
Recover from what exactly? How is sqnx kneeling before e33 anything but the final nail in the coffin?

>>724627145 (OP)
There hasn't been a good FF in over 20 years and E33 looks like vomit so I don't understand why anyone played it or how it could be good.

FF0 and FF16 are the future of the series. Remaking the old ones goes against the spirit of FF, and I'm gonna assume none of the devs on 7R were there when they made FF7.

>>724657980
Who’s gonna tell him?

>>724657980
>I'm gonna assume none of the devs on 7R were there when they made FF7.

All the people crying that FF is bending the knee in shame to E33 are retards that never made something in their life. If you really love something and someone else does a great version of that idea then it should be inspiring and praise. Jealousy, bitterness and envy are for the poor emotionally minded no doers

sugma

>>724627254
FF13's combat was perfect and I'll never forgive Square for ditching it for hack and slash combat.

>>724639893
yes im sure choosing the attack option a million times and then choosing the block option when the big bad does his 2-turn charge up attack is the epitome of gaming

>>724644959
Square Enix's idea of good modern TBB is Octopath Traveler, but that might change.

>>724650185
>59 million
Check that "source" you posted. That number was pulled out of his ass by some redditor

>>724658890
It's not, which is why I play Underrail and not this slop

>>724658810
Lightning Returns bombed after years of diminishing returns. You all scream now, but it is your own fault that SE ditched turn-based combat.

>>724644107
her arms feel like they're 6 inches longer than they should be.