Thread 724665037

Genuine question, do you have to grow up OoT and MM to call it the greatest game of all time? I played both of them recently and it wasn't anything crazy. It was just "good", not great or amazing

>>724665037 (OP)
It gets bonus points for both being a Nintendo product and being revolutionary for it's time, but personally I think that's a dumb way to rate games.

>>724665037 (OP)
They kinda just got a lot of little things right, the sorts of things that are easy to take for granted in 2025.

Yet I find both much more fun that botw or totk. curious.

>>724665037 (OP)
Yes, and you need to only have had an N64 and have played it while your parents were fighting. If you actually played games in the 90s, you found it boring and handholdy.

>>724665037 (OP)
You just have to have not played any better games. Like, obviously? Like? Wtf dude? That's like? Logic, maybe? Kind of?

>>724665226
cause botw and totk were handmade from the ground up for zoomie minds. if you don't like them as a zoomer you aren't part of the zoom zoom hivemind. be thankful.

>>724665226
I think BotW and TotK are "technically" better but they get so many things wrong that it feels weird to call them better.

>>724665309
N64babies are the eternal zoomers of video games and BotW is for people who grew up with and liked LoZ. Your anal pain will never change this.

If you've only played them recently, then you are viewing them in the context of a gaming world which was RADICALLY shaped by their creation in the first place. You don't necessarily need to have lived at the time to understand and appreciate how revolutionary they were, but it helps. At the very least, you do need to be able to divorce them from the perspective of modern gaming.

>>724665574
>then you are viewing them in the context of a gaming world which was RADICALLY shaped by their creation in the first place
Complete nonsense made up by tendies online. It didn't invent lock on and games weren't copying things from it seeing as other games were already doing those things. There's a reason that actual influential games spawn genres of literal clones and then their mechanics disseminate into every genre whereas with OoT, there were never OoTclones.

>>724665574
That just means it is only that great if you specifically view it through that biased lens though?

>>724665506
yeah i totally remember in legend of zelda when all your weapons break and you have to build minecraft vehicles.

>>724665506
Those guys are literally too braindead to show any initiative. They see us wanting to have fun, and then making that happen, in a game where you can do literally anything and they decide to dedicate their lives to crying about it. You can't pretend it's anything other than pathetic. They're essentially handicapped and unable to experience true fun and instead of being happy for those of us who can, they try to ruin it for us. I can never understand this evil mentality. We need to fucking kill them. We can't let the weak terrorise the strong.

Lee guess you played the PC tranny edition with AI upscale textures and 400fps

>>724665037 (OP)
>do you have to grow up OoT and MM to call it the greatest game of all time?
Nope.
Triple so if you consider when they were made, on what kind of hardware.

>>724665506
I tired of retarded faggots who think botw is in anyway a return to the original LOZ.

>>724665037 (OP)
no but for want of a better term you need to become more "media literate" and play more 3D games of the time to understand how OOT was so influtential. it's not that different from Half Life 2, nowadays it's just a blur in the crowd until you understand it's actually the first game to ever pull off all those tricks that became commonplace today. System Shock 2 comes to mind as well, that game popularized audio logs.

Imagine thinking this japshit kids game is the best game of all time when it's not even the best game of that year. Literally a child's opinion because you played it when you were 10.

>>724665037 (OP)
I have OoT fatigue. Stop making threads about this shit game.
>>724665037 (OP)
>Genuine question, do you have to grow up OoT and MM to call it the greatest game of all time?
No, you just have to be a tendie, which I'm not. So fuck off retard. I loved this game as a kid but its been 40 years since 1990, I don't care anymore.

>>724665037 (OP)
It's tempting to say "you had to have been there", but I'm not sure. Part of it is the atmosphere that cannot be recaptured today. It was also the first 3D adventure that got it right, within the vidya limitations at the time.

>>724665037 (OP)
Probably. People don't like to admit it, but video games generally age worse than other forms of media.

A young person can watch movies from the '40s or read books from the 1800s and still think they're some of the best of all time. But the same thing happening for video games from the 80s or 90s is less likely. The technological and graphical improvements elevated people's expectations for the medium a lot, so people who didn't grow up with those games are less likely to be impressed.

>>724668626
>but video games generally age worse than other forms of media.
nobody used to say this before zoomers took over.

>>724665037 (OP)
One of the greatest of its time, but not of all time. In concept, I love the game, but more complex and compelling games have been made since then.

In the future, other iterations of this game will shine brightly again. Mark my words.

>>724665037 (OP)
Genuine question, why would anyone care about some random faggot anons personal opinion on these games?

You don't even say what's bad about them or tell us what you think is better so we can all just call you a faggot and leave.

>>724669243
cared enough to reply

So what do you think is better op?

And I swear if you say from Fromsoft shit I'll piss in your face.

>>724665037 (OP)
>Genuine question, do you have to grow up OoT and MM to call it the greatest game of all time?
Maybe so. People who played them back in the day did so without the internet and the entire thing was basically a totally new experience for most of us, our first high quality 3D adventure game and stuff. With a music gimmick that dries nostalgia into your soul with pure repetition. Fantastic audio design too, even to this day it's top class.

So because we played it in that state we played it a lot longer than you probably did, being a veteran gamer of sorts, where nothing in the game is really new to you. You probably blew through it without soaking it up like we did back in the day. Even the gold n64 cartridge had a profound effect on us boomers.

Also you probably played the demakes or shitty ports didn't you

>>724669350
I'm still waiting faggot op.

>>724669470
cared enough to reply twice lol

>>724665037 (OP)
You probably at least had to play them before the existence of smartphones or perhaps pre 7th gen (x360/ps3). The effect of the internet, and subsequently smartphones on culture cant really be overstated.

Imagine if the internet was still a niche thing and too shitty for even watching videos in order to help understand the context. Same goes for movies really. The player/viewer's engagement is on a whole other level - particularly if they're on the younger side

>>724669397
Fromsoft shit.
*opens mouth* oh no haha...

>>724665037 (OP)
Lemme guess zoomer op you prefer Bloodborne and Red dead redemption 2 right the greatest games ever?

>>724669823
I've never played either of those

>>724669397
demon's souls and dark souls are millennial games doebait. chances are people who grew up with the n64 loved them when they were new. fromsoft started catering to zoom zooms with sekiro.

>>724665947
Art is a product of the context in which it was made. Also, it's not biased to say that large swaths of modern gaming were heavily influenced by OoT. It's just true. It provided a textbook example of how 3rd-person 3D movement can work, which, I feel the need to remind people, was not something that developers inherently understood how to do.

While it is possible to discuss the games' design successes and failures in a more objective way, to make a blanket statement saying "they weren't that great" is useless. Feel free to argue key placement in the temples or the relatively low density of stuff to do in Hyrule Field all you like, but the games earned their place in history for a reason.

>>724665037 (OP)
>niggerzoomer
>dumbfuck question

like pottery, 0 critical thinking

>>724665695
I never said they invented anything. But they SURE AS FUCK popularized those things. And broadly, they did them better than a lot of their competition at the time.

Also, every Souls game is an OoT clone.

>>724669904
this is an incredibly stupid post

>>724669860
Just hurry up and tell everyone your fave games so we can laugh at you and ignore your thread you coward.

>>724670094
No matter what I say, you will just disregard it and call me a fag. What's the point?

>>724670142
Just say them you fucking faggot coward stop wasting everyone's time tell us what's better than Ocarina of Time.

>>724670316
Okay, do you want a game in the same genre or overall?

>>724670069
zoomies didn't care about fromsoft games until le ebin hard parry game and le open world game.

>>724665037 (OP)
Probably. I tried playing it a few years ago, but couldn't really get into it. And I really wanted to enjoy it, so I'm not trying to be contrarian or anything. I'm sure it was a fantastic game at its time.

>>724670357
Both.

>>724665474
>I think BotW and TotK are "technically" better
oh no, it's retarded

>>724665037 (OP)
>Genuine question, do you have to grow up OoT and MM to call it the greatest game of all time?
No.
>It was just "good", not great
No, it was great. Not the GOAT, but great, and it holds up.

>>724670316
Quest64

>>724665037 (OP)
I've always felt that OoT was kind of overrated. I think the Zelda format peaked with Link to the Past and OoT was basically just making a 3d version of that game with easier dungeons.
That said, OoT/MM were definitely an incredible leap for 3d graphics on consoles. I still think they're some of the best looking games from that gen.

>>724665695
>there were never OoTclones.

>>724665037 (OP)
it's not essential to have lived in the context of an era but you do need to understand it to respect its accomplishments

>>724670441
>same genre
Ghostbusters: The Video Game
>overall
Super Mario 64

I played both games a teenager and still think they hold up HOWEVER I cannot go back to the original N64 ports after experiencing decomps and randomizers. It just feels better. If I had no choice stuck in a room with a N64 and the games could I play them? Yeah, but that's a fake scenario when I currently have a non shit PC.

>>724665037 (OP)
No, which applies to any game.

>>724665695
>>724670625
Ive always wondered thus gor Skyrim. GotD, sells a gazillion copies. No clones until 14 years after.
Why?

>>724665037 (OP)
>it wasn't anything crazy
you didn't play the game

>>724670741
>No clones until 14 years after.
What game are you even talking about?
The reason is that devs just don't like character customization and I'm not sure why since millions of people won't even look at your game unless it has it.

>>724670802
Name something that's crazy about it

>>724665037 (OP)
why bother with that question?

>Uploading files in incognito mode is not allowed.
>The File field has been cleared.
I'M NOT IN INCOGNITO MODE FUCKING NIGGER ADMIN WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT????
FIX YOUR FUCKING WEBSITE


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STOP GIVING ME RETARDED CIRCLE CAPTCHA YOU FUCKING STUPID NIGGERS

>>724665037 (OP)
I'm a Zoomer and played them both for the first time a year ago. OOT is an easy top 10 game of all time for me and MM, while it didn't resonate with me in the same way, is still a really fucking great game. So no, you didn't.

>>724670865
>yeah I played the game
>name something from it then
>No uh actually you name it!
you didn't play it

>>724670843
Avowed, plus there were 2 others from Europe.

>>724670667
>Ghostbusters: The Video Game

>>724670741
It's because Bethesda games are genuinely kind of impressive on a technical level despite the prevailing popular opinion. Most game engines are not designed to manage literally hundreds of thousands of objects, hundreds of characters, etc and to be able to keep them persistent and simulate their state when the player is not around. There are basically no modern games that pull this shit off and the one Skyrim clone we have (Avowed) doesn't even try it.
I think whoever coded this shit is probably long gone form Bethesda too because they're too scared to abandon Gamebyro as their core.

>>724671084
It's a good game, try it.

>>724670997
Warms my heart. Suprised to hear it, but warms my heart.

Can't believe that nobody's mentioned the music yet. It was Kondo's peak and the effect on the atmosphere was astounding.

>>724671148
Yeah it has a disproportionate amount of bangers compared to the rest of the series.

>>724665256
Oot and majoras mask are probably the least hand holdy n64 games. There's no journal telling you specifically what to do.

>>724671129
Fucking shitty troll thread.

>>724671218
No but if you bother to talk to the NPCs they give you pretty clear direction.
They're definitely less handholdy than modern games though so I dunno what the fuck that retard was talking about.

>>724671007
If anything, having a dissenting opinion about this game after playing it recently is more valid then when you played it for the first time 20 years ago. I can look at video games from an objective point of view and not from nostalgia. You can't even name one "crazy" thing about this game. My first gut instinct would be to say the story and atmosphere of MM from a company like Nintendo, at least.

>>724668626
Books have gotten worse very few people alive have the writing talent of someone from the 1800s. I would argue that movies have gotten worse in the last 15 years because of streaming and producers are more risk adverse because its so much easier for a movie to flop.

But movies pre 70s had for the most part very bad acting, the art form has increased quite a bit.

>>724671114
But they can always use UE5!

You have to play other janky 3D adventure games from the era to realize why it's so hyped. Compare the way it controls with other shit like Silent Hill. Nintendo figured out how to make shit not feel like you were trying to drive a tank around.
There might have been better games from that era, but they were 2D or isometric.

>>724665506
I don't remember having to watch any cutscenes in LOZ.

>>724671148
>>724671191
I think Ocarina, Majora, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess were basically just four 10/10 soundtracks in a row. Kondo was on fucking fire for like a decade there.

>>724671219
>does exactly what I predicted he would
This is why you have to separate yourself from the argument in order to have a conversation online. At least other people in this thread have the brainpower to do that.

>>724671384
>But movies pre 70s had for the most part very bad acting, the art form has increased quite a bit.
anon you're going to trigger the enlightened leddit cinemaphiles who make enjoying shitty old movies their entire personality.

>>724668245
Koizumi is so based for this.

>>724671148
>>724671191
Obligatory
>https://archive.org/details/tloz-oot-original-soundtrack

>Op said Ghost busters the video game is better than OOT
>People still replying and taking the thread seriously because /v/ is retarded

>>724669904
>N64 Zelda but you need stamina for everything you do
Fuck no, those games suck.

>>724671429
UE5 is actually one of the worst engines possible for it because their default scene object (i.e. an Actor) is very heavy and contains a ton of extraneous code.
You could use UE5 for rendering but I wouldn't use any it for anything simulation wise. Which is what they did for the Oblivion Remake.

>>724671483
>and Twilight Princess
this ost sucked

>>724671615
Man I just want to talk about Ocarina of Time and Link's tiny penis.

>>724671615
>wahh wahh people have different opinions than mine
kys

>>724665037 (OP)
It's basically thinking the fights against Bowser in Super Mario 64 are simplistic if compared with other fights which came later, you need to evaluated by its historic value.

>>724665157
>and being revolutionary for it's time, but personally I think that's a dumb way to rate games.
Then all games are 0/10 by default, something new will always come along and beat the old.

>>724671791
>Then all games are 0/10 by default
Game reviews are more dynamic than movie or song reviews. Thats why games get remakes and not movies or songs, which tend to get remasters.

>>724671771
I think Mario 64 has actually been replaced by Galaxy and Odyssey in my mind.
Whereas I'd rather play Ocarina of Time than Twilight Princess, Wind Waker or BOTW.

>>724671718
>I THINK CITIZEN KANE IS SHIT AND THERE ARE WAY BETTER MOVIES!
>Oh what's better than Citizen Kane?
>Paul Blart Maul cop!
>.........
>MY VIEWS AND OPINIONS ARE JUST AS VALID AS ANYONE ELSE'S AND YOU MUST TAKE ME SERIOUSLY OR ELSE!

>>724671961
>Thats why games get remakes and not movies or songs,
Are you a time traveler from 30 years ago? I fucking wish that was true, modern cultures is like a disgusting ouroboros of constant remakes of everything in all forms of media. There was a fucking Ben Hur remake just a while ago.

>>724669243
It's kinda strange, because it's easy to talk about vidya when you are anonymous. You can say what you like, what you dislike. Maybe ask "stupid" questions and even be wrong without any longlasting consequences.

But instead any of that, anons just shitpost, ragebait, and barely discuss games. Like mostly anons talk about people who like/dislike specific games or OPs case of "I played it and it was bad". Not "I disliked it". Not "It wasn't for me". Not "I think it was bad because...".
Just "bad".
Even the rare moment someone talks about a game, it's either lifted from a Youtuber or another anon, or is just personal attack.
The more I have been thinking about it the more absurd it feels. Perfect environment for talking about vidya freely and people do anything but. Imagine as a kid having a place to safely talk vidya with anyone across the world. As a kid I had just few friends to talk FF7 and Crash Bandicoot with.
Now I feel out of place if I genuinely write about games I like. Usually I get called a shill or fanboy or get told to go to /vr/, /vg/, /vp/, while anons return to idpol shitflinging.
Even when opening the thread I started writing about OoT and ask about what OP didn't like before I saw your post. Then I realized I was 1000 characters deep in a post about a game OP most likely didn't even play and just wanted to shitpost.
Hell, maybe OP is a chatbot LLM made to encourage flamewar shit.
I'm just gonna sleep and talk about vidya with my friends tomorrow. I should stop falling for OP's kind of thread.

>>724672050
Have you actually played the game?

>>724672050
Fucking kek. FE 3 Houses is the best vidya of all time though.

>>724672096
I think movie "remakes" stand on their own rather than replacing the original, whereas OoT3D or Silent Hill 2 intends on enhancing and replacing the original experience.

>>724671148
Still mad Koji Kondo was wasted on Skyward Sword

>>724672050
What's funny is that there are genuinely other examples I could hear and understand even if I didn't personally agree with them. Like if someone said FF7 or MGS3 I'd be like "yeah that's fair, those are cool games". Or for movies maybe something like Lawrence of Arabia or Casablanca, sure I get that. But no, it's always some low-tier actual trash that makes it blatantly clear the person was just talking shit.

>>724671615
You know what, anon? Your cat pics are shit other than the tuxedo

Zoomers are so fucking retarded, wow.
I did not play either of these games as a kid, but I played them as an adult, and they are both good games. Like you're just genuinely retarded if you can't understand why these games are good games. They are not just "good for the time." That's some retarded metric that nostalgia fags made up to defend the shitty games they liked as a kid. Games don't actually age. They are either good or bad, the problem is that retarded faggots can't tell when a game is good or not and they tend to like everything when it's brand new and then realize it was flawed later so that's why games "age" in your head, but if you have good taste you can recognize a good game with ease. Lol.

>>724665037 (OP)
You just had to be there
I don't think the younger generations will ever understand.
Everything is cynical now. You can look forwards or backwards and see the same shit, packaged in different ways. Marginal improvements at best, buried beneath several feet of metric shit.
This was the time period where the impossible was happening every year, and every year, things you hadn't even thought of were being made into reality. It was a time of potential. It was optimistic, and games like these would come out, take everything you thought was the limit of what a game could do or be, and trample it.

>>724672419
There's a reason big studios don't do OoT-styled games, it's because the game isn't actually the best of all time like people say. Otherwise there would be clones left and right. That's why Nintendo transitioned to open world slop.

>>724672618
Hein ? That has nothing to do with my post, like it's just a random statement that's not even connected to what I was saying. Are you a bot?

OOT and MM are the only good 3D Zelda games.

>>724672618
>Otherwise there would be clones left and right
The entire 3d action adventure genre is a clone of it you mong

>>724672618
You may have heard of a little game called Dark Souls...

>>724672764
Those games are shit though if OoT is a masterpiece, so no they're not clones. Otherwise we'd have good games and nobody would be complaining.

It’s literally a Reddit meme

It is manufactured for metacritic citation

>>724672814
If Dark Souls is a clone of OoT then it would be on par with "the greatest game of all time".

>>724672895
A lot of people think it is...

>Genuine question
No.
>>724669350
>>724669495
It's not.
Are you a little lonely this Halloween OP? Nothing better to do? Nowhere else to be?

>>724672895
It's kind of like a version of OoT where the adult Link section sucks complete dick and ruins the game.

>>724672921
cared enough to reply three times
actually, this is definitely not just your third post

>>724672814
This
Dark Souls is literally just Castlevania, except instead of shitting the bed when moving to 3D, they just copied OoT.
If you really think about it, the Soulsborne/Soulslike genre, is really just a Zeldavania, if named by zoomers

>>724672895
I mean Demon Souls 7 might be?

>>724665037 (OP)
ocarina took the work done with link to the past and brought it to 3D, a bit like metal gear solid took the work done with metal gear 2:solid snake

majora's mask was the expansion of the concepts brought by OOT with improved dungeons, fully realized npc daily schedules and improved writing, not to mention the unique story and game design completely vowed into each-other with the 3 day cycle gameplay

for games that came out between 1998 and 2000 they are truly ground-breaking and innovative, something that hasn't been made since, some may argue OOT didn't age as gracefully but majora still remains perfect to this day

It looks better than Z-A and it has more content and more challenging/fun gameplay too, over 20 years ago lol.

>>724672814
>>724673136
I've always thought of the Souls games as just an iteration of the 3D Zeldas and they're literally a stated influence, kek. They kind of spit in the face of the idea that there are no games that have tried to run with the Zelda formula.

>>724665474
botw and totk manage to make inventory management worse than OOT and MM despite having over 30 years of research to beat them, they are quite embarassing entries in the series if we judge them on technical aspects alone, the only leap forward they made was.....making a big map

>>724672837
Thus every single FPS MUST be good, because otherwise that means Doomclones couldn't be Doomclones because Doom was good.
Thus Bubsy the Bobcat must be good, because it's a clone of Sonic the Hedgehog, and Sonic was good.

Do you see the fucking problem.

>>724665506
>BotW is for people who pretend to like LoZ1 on twitter

ftfy

>>724673252
Yeah
DEFINITELY by Dark Souls 2. The Sunken King DLC is literally a fucking Zelda dungeon lmao

>>724672814
>>724673136
>>724673252
Dark Souls (and all the Souls-likes honestly) are missing the puzzle aspect of the Zelda formula which is why I don't consider it a real successor.
The Souls games are just combat and exploration from beginning to end.
And the only one to flirt with puzzle aspects (Dark Souls 2) is universally disliked.

>>724665037 (OP)
I didn't grow up with MM but I consider it to be within my top 3 games of all time

>>724673284
I mean, the fact that you said Doom "was" good is enough proof that FPS games have surpassed it. Nobody is claiming Doom is the best game of all time like they do with OoT.
Also, Bubsy was not a clone of Sonic. The character was inspired by Sonic in everything but gameplay.

>>724671483
shame he was stuck with MIDI shit for TP instead of having an orchestra, which was completely wasted on skyward bore

>>724671457
It feels good to control, and the game has a nice variety of challenges throughout. The horseback riding holds up too, and that wasn't a common feature in 3D action-adventure games at the time.

>>724672050
I think citizen kane is overrated as fuck tbqdesu

>Boy I sure love going on a a glorified scavenger hunt for korok seeds and shrines
>Boy I sure love seeing the same copy paste enemies over and over
>Boy I sure love the shit boss fights
>Boy I sure love going into my inventory a million times
>Boy I sure love the shitty voice acting
>Boy I sure love the muddy green graphics
>Boy I sure love the complete lack of a story
>Boy I sure love the complete lack of music
>Boy I sure love the complete lack of dungeons
Why do people think BOTW/TOTK are good games?

>>724665037 (OP)
>the amount of butthurt in this thread
kek
god I can't wait until the boomer generation dies out

>>724673646
They'll be almost entirely dead in the next 10 - 20 years. You'll be stuck with the people that actually played Ocarina of Time for another 50 though.

>>724673641
Cause zoomies never played Deus Ex so they've never seen emergent gameplay before
the idea of cutting down a tree and then setting it on fire before rolling it down a hill to easily kill some enemies is just baffling to them

>>724673641
Literally no one does. Everywhere you go, people say they want old Zelda back.

>>724673771
>for another 50 though
not in this economy

>>724673641
>I-it's good because...IT JUST IS OKAY??

>>724673771
Scary to be honest, they hold the country together. Almost all politicians seem to be 80+. Who know how quickly USA will change when they are all dead?

>I'VE BEEN GETTING THE FUCKING CIRCLES CAPTCHA 30 TIMES IN A ROW NOW, WHEN WILL 4CHAN STOP GIVING THEM TO ME?????

>>724673641
God this is depressing. Nintendo really killed this franchise.

>>724673641
Remember when Zelda games had great lore/world building, music, themed dungeons, decent stories, good sense of progression, and atmosphere?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZGnJF1R0WU

>>724673641
They were blown away by the initial presentation that promised more and then convinced themselves that the lack of features that emerged from that basic premise wasn't an issue.

>>724673252
all souls games do is copy Z targeting, there is nothing else of zelda in there, no dungeons, puzzles or even npcs that can fucking move on screen (the devs are so mind numbingly retarded they couldn't make black knights move in the first dark souls)

>>724673504
Have you ever played Bubsy the Bobcat?
Because the game is literally "copy sonic, without understanding why anything in sonic works".
The extreme movement speed, with a complete lack of understanding of level design to enable it.
The massive verticality in levels, providing a lot of freeform routing, without any of the momentum or movement techs to actually use it.
And Doom has a more active community than almost any fps released in the past 20 years once new toy syndrome wears off. I'm not including nu-Doom, I mean old school Doom. The Doom modding community is all you need to look at to understand that, semantics of a post be damned, it was, and still is, the king.

>>724673641
This kills the botw tard

>>724673993
>islamic chanting removed in later versions
>good music
You could have picked literally any other track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hEYvdMoF2g

>>724665037 (OP)
I introduced OoT and MM to someone that never played a Zelda game before and now they're a huge fan
100% both games

>>724673641
The Secret Stones?

>>724673993
unpopular opinion, the chanting makes the song worse, gorons don't seem like the type to chant considering they are fat rock eaters, if anything I'd expect them to sing more tribal wacky shit

>>724674061
Every Souls game has dungeons. They're just not always clearly delineated from the world proper.
And then Elden Ring made them even more explicit calling them Legacy Dungeons.

>>724673910
Good riddance.
Everyone over 75 dropping dead at once would be a godsend.

>>724673641
>the same copy paste enemies over and over
What's crazy to me is OOT's Hyrule Field alone has more enemy variety than the entirety of BOTW and maybe even TOTK.

>>724674187
I liked the muslim gorons. Explains why they can't eat just any rocks, some rocks are haram. Some are halal. Prone to violence and revelry at the drop of a hat. I bet if they didn't eat rocks, they would make some fucking delicious kebabs.

>>724665037 (OP)
I'm in my mid 30s and always thought this game was massively overrated. I really like the open world Zelda stuff though. Prior to this past gen, my favorite Zelda of all time was probably one of the Oracle games.

Then again, the oldest game that i'd probably put in my top 5 games of all time is probably Mass Effect 2 so i'm pretty far from being a jaded boomer when it comes to vidya.

>>724674125
So that was the Imprisoning War...

if ocarina of time came out TODAY AS IS, you wouldn't like it

>>724674125
SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>724674456
I played Ocarina after Totk and preferred Ocarina.

>>724674456
The only criticism I would have of OoT today compared to its contemporaries would be shit that would be modernized anyway. i.e. Movement and camera controls, switching items in the inventory, a map that is nearly useless, etc

>>724674191
>Every Souls game has dungeons. They're just not always clearly delineated from the world proper.
eat a bag of crow dicks, dungeons have puzzles you stupid retard

>>724674456
Truth nuke.
Get ready for the waves of seethe when they remake this game again and they totally change the gameplay to be fit for modern standards.

>>724674456
>chronological snobbery fallacy

>>724673641
Why do OoT fags act like it's not basic like this?
>push the block onto the switch is LE GOOD!1

>>724674125
For me? It's the fact that there are four separate cutscenes that repeat Mineru saying that anyone who swallows a Secret Stone will become a dragon. Something that's presented as absolute fact and then shown as a supposed revelation of Zelda realizing that swallowing a Secret Stone will turn her into a dragon. Only Zelda game without a writing credit by the way, I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

>>724674456
The entire gaming landscape would be different many iconic games probably wouldn't exist or would be inspired by something else making them fundamentally different so who knows.

>>724674652
So your complaints are actually:
>no puzzles, no puzzles, npcs don't move
And you just added the dungeons thing to try to make it sound more significant than it was

>>724674456
if I came in your mom's ass today, you wouldn't like it

>>724674687
they have a massive superiority complex, it's annoying as fuck
now imagine if someone wrote all that out for ocarina of time and all of it's flaws

>>724674456
wrong
especially when the thing people talk about what the botwverse lacks is in OoT

>>724674762
>"OH NO NO NO"
not an argument tbqdesu, typical of from faggots

>>724674807
Ocarina actually has content. Those Asscreed rip-offs don't.

>>724674807
>flaws
name five

>>724674840
You're the only one in the world who thinks a dungeon needs puzzles to be a dungeon.
Literal dungeon crawlers like Diablo have existed for decades without any significant puzzle aspects to them.

>I sure love farming for equipment after I go back in time!
>I sure love having to restart a quest after the day changes!
>I sure love having a time limit for a series known for exploration!
>I sure love having to use a guide to find all the useless masks!
>I sure love having only 4 shitty dungeons
>I love standing around waiting for time to pass in the evening because I have nothing better to do while I wait for an NPC to catch up on their schedule
See! I can do the same for Majoras's Mask too!

>>724675053
>enters zelda thread
>"OMG BRO SOULS IS SO LE ZELDA"
>no its, not, it doesn't have dungeons with puzzles
>"OMG LIKE, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS DUNGEONS SHOULD HAVE PUZZLES BRO"

YOU'RE IN A FUCKING ZELDA THREAD SPOUTING NONSENSE ABOUT SOULS SHIT AND ARE SURPRISED IT GETS COMPARED TO THE THING YOU CLAIM ITS SIMILAR WITH, HOLY SHIT IM MAD, KILL YOURSELF NOW

>>724675197
Majora's Mask is a flawed gem and I think even most MM fans agree with that. They just think it has higher highs than OoT.

>>724675316
Settle down, okay?

>>724675030
Tedious menu opening
Water temple
Nothing to do in Hyrule field
Skulltula collecting = Mario Sunshine blue coins
20 fps
Lame combat

>>724675561
I'll give you 2/5. Best I can do.

>>724675613
Am I wrong?

>>724675561
>Nothing to do in Hyrule field
>20 fps
these are the only 2 i'll give you.

>>724675561
>Skulltula collecting = Mario Sunshine blue coins
No? Because they actually make noises when you're close to them.

>>724675316
Nah, I'm with him
Dungeons don't necessarily need puzzles.
I think there IS a minimum complexity requirement for something to be called a dungeon, and not just a cave or hallway, but puzzles aren't the only way to reach that. Any degree of traps or hazards, traversal challenges or mazes, or anything else counts.
I mean, even in Zelda itself, quite a few dungeons cap out in complexity at "left leads to a locked door, you need to go right first", so it's not even like Zelda dungeons are intrinsically bound to having puzzles. GOOD ones do, but, plenty of the games have nothingburger dungeons. Fukken. Just in Ocarina of Time, the Shadow Temple is pretty much on point for what a Souls dungeon would be. Mostly straight line, gotta veer off to do side shit here and there, and explore your rooms for keys. The Undead Parish is more complex as an area than the Shadow Temple, easy.

>it's a cubie
Every single time.

>>724675561
>Lame combat
>Locking on to enemies and rolling
Hm.

>>724675316
least psychotic nostalgia nigger

>>724675971
so...he has good taste?

this thread again

the reason why OOT is considered one of the best games ever made YET is that it doesn't feel dated in 2025. zoomers are actively playing it.

It's that perfect balance between early 3D and contemporary game mechanics.

I am currently playing it on original hardware and CRT because I was a PlayStation kid in the 90s, and sure it's not my "cup of tea" but I can appreciate it.

>>724675561
>Tedious menu opening
sad part of this is that nintendo never fucking learned that streamlining menuing in zelda is a good thing
totk and eow have disgusting menus.

>>724665037 (OP)
Game ratings really need to start losing value over time, like the prices of cars.
A '98 Ocarina ain't what it used to be.

>>724676394
>it doesn't feel dated in 2025. zoomers are actively playing it.
that 100% goes to SM64
zoomers would flock to another remake of OoT instead because it DOES feel dated to them

>>724675561
>Skulltula collecting = Mario Sunshine blue coins
iirc blue coins don't have any sort of indication of how many you've collected.
oot gives you an icon the map screen for dungeons and overworld locations.

>>724676637
SM64 feels way more dated than OoT.

>>724676663
Mario Odyssey proves that people will still buy that formula of games. BotW and TotK proves that people want change (even if its for the worse)

>>724676770
>BotW and TotK proves that people want change
I sincerely doubt that. Probably an overwhelming amount of Botw/totk fans had never previously played a zelda.

>>724676925
>an overwhelming amount of Botw/totk fans had never previously played a zelda.
Gee, I wonder why...

>>724665037 (OP)
Not really, to this day OoT does some things better than any other game since. You might not be in the right head space to appreciate it though.

When analyzing an experience, the subject matter is just a part of the whole.
The person having the experience is an important piece to understand.
The context, time and place are also important.

Take a kid in 1998 who is going from Super Nintendo to his first 3d games on N64. AOL Instant Messenger just came out 1 year before. There was little to no social media.

Now take a kid in 2025. Social media is integrated in every part of his life. An Ipad has been shoved in front of his face since he was 3 to keep him quite at dinner. His dopamine receptors are completely fried and his tastes influenced by billion dollar algorithms. 3D has been commonplace for nearly 30 years.

Obviously these two people will experience the subject differently.

>>724665037 (OP)
OoT (and MM to a degree) has insane amounts of polish, minor touches, and godlike pacing. If you spend the whole game seething that this game is praised, you're probably going to miss all of that, though. Or harping on reddit-ass talking points like "OH NOOOOO I HAVE TO WALK 30 SECONDS ACROSS A FIELD TO MY DESTINATION"
Big expansive areas (that weren't like top-down) were groundbreaking at the time. Get over it.

>>724674687
BOTW is the same thing, except there are 1000 more of those block pushing puzzles, except once in a while you lift it up with your gmod tool.

>>724665037 (OP)
Two games that I respect immensely (and on an objective level I'd say they're at the very least really good) but despise actually sitting down and playing. Something about Zelda's combat in 3D just feels so, so wrong to me.
t. zoomtard who only likes three of the zelda games

>>724665037 (OP)
it's just wanking, yeah, they're not fucking 10/10

that said, I still haven't found something on par with Majora's Mask atmosphere

OoT is just really solid, but MM is really fucking special

>>724670997
Uhh, why is she naked? And it's a she, right?

In contemporary context, when people say that Ocarina of Time is the greatest, they mean that it's the Citizen Kane of gaming.
It was absolutely groundbreaking for its time and many games followed it as an example moving forward, building upon its gameplay (i.e. Demon's Souls).

>>724669960
video games are not art

>>724679797
How can that be when Bioshock Infinite was the Citizen Cane of gaming?

God even at the time that media blitz felt fucking deranged, in retrospect it feels like some kind of mass psychosis. Bioshock Infinite was shit.

>>724665037 (OP)
Maybe you just don't like games like that?

>>724665037 (OP)
They're objectively 10/10 games, unfortunately zoomers and younger millennials are too stupid to understand. Sad.

>>724677569
Truly great games are timeless. You can take a 50 year old arcade boomer or a 20 year old zoomer, you pass either of them an arcade stick with Mushihimesama and they intuitively love it. No words need to be spoken. OoT and MM are pompous criticslop. They only appeal to a certain niche of fake gamers that are drawn to narrative more than gameplay.

>>724680115
>if kotaku says so it's objective
brainrot midwit take. the retards who play madden and cod have better tastes than you. those games actually are oriented around gameplay.

>>724680252
Everyone says so. If Kotaku said it, it's because they needed to follow the pack to prop up their own validity.

>>724680115
If they're "objectively 10/10 games" then they would have had no reason to remake them.

>>724680448
>Everyone says so.
>unfortunately zoomers and younger millennials are too stupid
Everyone in your kotaku circlejerk says so.

>>724665037 (OP)
Its the beatles effect. Beatles are dogshit music and only ppl like em cuz they grew up with em or "bro they started it all man theyre a classic"

>>724680583
My mistake. "Everyone who matters says so."

>>724680478
They haven't been remade

>>724676394
>sure it's not my "cup of tea" but I can appreciate it.
That's it? "Appreciate"? It's a 7/10 game at best let's not be pussies here.

>>724680690
On 3DS, yes they have

>>724680648
maybe reddits more your speed. you can see who matters at a glance by their upvotes

>>724680789
The Majora's Mask remake was worse thus proving that a remake was unneeded

>>724680850
You sure are pushing your little narrative that this game belongs to reddit and kotaku and only the people /v/ is supposed to hate. Couldn't come up with legitimate criticisms I see.

>724680592
Anon, if you're going to post bait you shouldn't use so many abbreviations. It gives it away too readily.

>>724671219
ive actually heard nothing but good stuff about the ghostbusters game. it even had dan ayk and harold ramis for the writers and bill murray and ernie hudson did the voices. what more could you want

>>724665037 (OP)
"greatest" can be subjective
to me, my favorite is a toss up between ALttP and WW
But if the question was most influential/ impactful, I would say OoT/MM are top tier
>but muh BotW/TotK
catering to the open world meme doesn't make it better, if anything it sacrifices iconic traits for
>muh adhd wandering and uhmmersuhn

>>724665037 (OP)
they shouldnt be but some how they've failed to make anything better.

>>724665037 (OP)
I didn't play MM until I was 15 and OoT until I was 26/27 and they're among my favorite games of all time. Twilight Princess is my favorite though because of the bug and fishing girls, MM close behind.

OoT is meh but Majora Mask is amazing for a literal asset flip, specially because of REPLAYABILITY WITHOUT CREATING A NEW SAVE.

>>724680868
MM would benefit greatly from a proper remake. Otherwise regular MM would be considered the best of the two

>>724681156
>regular MM would be considered the best of the two
It is

>>724680789
Posting this as if a lot people don't fucking hate MM3d is weird

>>724680914
it's a walking sim with no meaningful challenge. it's a game you beat when you're 6 without needing any type of skill at games. That's why industry shills shill it. I liked mm more but its more like an interactive movie than a game

>>724666159
I played the unreal remake

>>724681256
they hate it because its too faithful to the mid original

>>724680592
this

>>724680478
they didnt have any reason to remake them. to this day experts are baffled at such a mind mindbogglingly bad business decision.

dude we live in a world where megaman legends 3 was 95% complete and got cancelled

Majora's Mask is like some kind of awful dream you have after playing too much OOT, but it's real. And I don't mean awful as an insult, I mean it's like some nightmarish dream you have about a game you've been obsessing over. I don't think any game's managed to catch that feeling since. I still prefer OOT overall but MM is just its own fucking weird world of insanity and I really can't help but praise it for that as well.

>>724681123
We didn't have a computer back then and no other kids had the game, but when me and my brother reached inside the moon and found we could give the kids there masks, after defeating Majora's Wrath and completing the game for the first time, we spent a few days trying to get all the masks except for one (Fierce Deity) we couldn't find any clues anywhere, we got the Fierce Deity Mask.
Then we spent a few weeks trying to optimize a route and find a way to COMPLETE everything in the game in 3 days, just trying to find out if we could get a different ending or something (since there's the marriage in the credits).
Suffice to say we did it out of sheer kid autism.
But me and my brother were very disappointed.

>>724681256
If Majora's Mask 3D was the first version you would have loved it. They're not THAT different.

>>724681260
>doesn't need any skill
Try beating odolwa blind in the original version.
You surely are going to die because he can pull some utter bullshit depending on RNG and you don't have a lot of hearts yet (if you played normally) to test him out.
He required skills.
None of the other bosses needed skill though.

>>724681635
>If Majora's Mask 3D was the first version you would have loved it.
This but unironically. If the original was the remake and vice-versa, /v/irgins would call it casualized garbage for not requiring magic to do fast Zora swimming.

>>724665037 (OP)
The revolutionary gameplay is going to be completely invisible unless you're familiar with other games of the era. Otherwise it just appears to be a normal action adventure game, because it made "the normal action adventure game" as you know them. There was nothing like it at the time. You could find games with better stories, better characters, better setting, better graphics, etc. But nothing executed action adventure this well, Also all its 3d systems were novel and had to be pulled out of an ass, it was nothing like the zelda game before it. The risk taken was insane. The game design could've been awkward or a disaster but it wasn't.

>>724682521
it's ass creed but objectively worse
if you put it in context subjectively it was good thobeit

>>724679797
Citizen Kane is a really fucking boring movie. I don't understand why they pretend it's the best movie ever made just because it was groundbreaking at the time. There are so many better movies from that era, like King Kong. It was made 8 years earlier and was more impressive in every aspect.

>>724681260
Calling OOT a "walking sim" is so absurd I don't think even you believe it. Do you even remember the kinds of games that insult was invented for? It wasn't for adventure games with dungeons and puzzles filled with monsters you actually fight. That's for damn sure.

>>724683064
did you ever stop to consider if its a you problem?

>>724665037 (OP)
>do you have to grow up OoT and MM to call it the greatest game of all time?
Perhaps. They were new when I was a kid and they were great games and had a lot of stuff to do and cool bosses but even back then I wouldn't have called them the greatest because I liked jrpgs on ps2 and gameboy.

>>724683064
It's praised for pioneering so many new filmmaking techniques. No one cares about its plot.

OoT never explain how their game revolutionized gaming

>>724665037 (OP)
genuine question, can you name a better Zelda game?

>>724684023
>can you name a better Zelda game?
Peter if it's a boy, Linda if a girl.

Discussing old games will always be difficult because of the intersection between games as functional pieces of interactive media and their design philosophy. As gaming evolved, the functionality got “better” in that controls and objectives are smoother, but there’s “worse” design philosophy because everything groundbreaking has really already been done.
You reach this insurmountable obstacle in discussing old games where often the argument ends with “well, it doesn’t play great by modern standards, but it was so gosh darn special for introducing X and Y.”
This is way different than movies which fundamentally ask the same level of interactivity from the 1930s to the 2020s.
People give a lot of leeway to older games because “whoa, they made Zelda in 3D,” even if the game itself is not as mechanically complex as like Twilight Princess for example. It’s annoying because it feels like an ongoing pity party (“OOT was a great game for its time and we need to revere it as such despite some aspects being very dated”)

>>724684023
The 2d games are better, LoZ1 in spite of its old graphics, is still a damn fun experience to go through by unearthing all of its secrets, Adventure of Link is a cooler castlevania clone, LttP has the best mixture of exploration and story. Link's awakening has a more compelling story than OoT

>>724665037 (OP)
Yes if you're a zoomer you won't understand. Seethe about it.

>>724684023
links awakening, but its a much smaller game and arguably more equal than better admittedly

>>724684150
>zelda 1 and 2
alright let's not get ahead of ourselves

>>724665037 (OP)
Back in the day most games were pretty simple. You jumped on enemies, you died, you had to insert another quarter to continue. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time changed that.

how it feels waiting for the Goldeneye decomp while tendieslop like Gayrio 64 and Zelda Ocraprina of Time get on the fly compilers and PC ports with multiplayer and Freddy Fazbear skin mod support

>>724665037 (OP)
those games are about growing up so if you are not actually young links age when playing theres no way they will hold up, what makes them great is that the gameplay and story match where you are as a gamer at the time you play them. No one who is allowed to post on this website will be able to understand unless they truly can connect with their innocent child self.

>OoT is revolutionary
Genuine question: How is it revolutionary?
The z-targetting gameplay was already invented by Tomb Raider, a game that had an equal amount of praise at the time
The scale of the overworld, while impressive, was just padding because Hyrule field is as large as you can truly get (Gerudo Desert is an open field of coarse sand that warps you back if you step too far without the eye of truth thingy) and i'm certain that by this point, you had more impressive games in other hardware
The cinematics are far and few compared to other story heavy games and while sure, said story heavy games in other hardware consisted of RPG's, it's not like gaming was without attempts at making shit look Cinematic with the camera angles and two black bars
And music is hard to argue because around the same year OoT released, you could find bombastically good soundtrack in shovelware games like damn near every arcade racer had to be bundled with 90's Jungle Drum n' Bass beats (that i'd argue sound better than N64 music, but that's cheating because the PS1 was also a music player and CD's allowed for good ass audio)

>>724684710
low quality bait

>>724684472
no lord farquad, why

wait a second was that the fucking joke. lord fuckwad

>>724684710
>sonic adventure some how came out one month after oot
>megaman legends came out a year before both and looked better than both

>>724684876
The comment field of the reply box is for the content of your post, not it's subject. Only opening posts have a subject field. Hope this helps.

>>724683081
>OOT
>fight
lol. you can do it blindfolded. hold z and mash b. finished.

>>724685694
Doesn't matter. It ain't no walking sim. Putting OOT on the level of "Gone Home" is dishonest as shit.

>>724679951
Bioshock was good
Bioshock 2 was worse, but has a distinct fun personality.
Bioshock Infinite was dogshit and I have no idea what the fuck happened.

>>724665037 (OP)
I grew up mainly with Nintendo consoles and the 3D Zelda games were always a big step up for me. I tried Majora's Mask when I was 6 and instantly was lost, never figured out what to do.
I sporadically tried OoT multiple times up until last year, and despite enjoying it, it's such a big game and confusing at parts I had to use walkthroughs. I gave up around the water dungeon as young link
It's a really obtuse game. I love the style of it but I can't tell if I'm just not healthy enough to play it or if it's just jank

>I was Link in 1999

I won. Thanks grandma for the best halloween costume ever.

>>724686234
cool

i was pikachu

>>724686203
when it came out I got stuck at the forest temple. when I replayed it again on gamecube master quest I beat it fine. zelda 2 I didn't beat until much later(2017) but still didnt use a guide.

>>724684710
>How is it revolutionary?
In one game, in 1998: time of day, Z-targeting which opens up more movement options along with letting you highlight NPCs, horseback riding, dynamic camera, towns with NPCs, analog movement, lots of items to both traverse the environment and fight enemies, in-engine cutscenes instead of relying on FMVs, varied dungeon design each with an interesting gimmick. You want to mention games that did each of those individually, but Ocarina of Time is the full package in a way not seen before. It's a cheat-sheet on how to do 3D action-adventure games, on top of it being a very good game that basically made companies say "we need to compete with this, so we need to make better games".
>The z-targetting gameplay was already invented by Tomb Raider
It didn't, on top of it not functioning anything like it. It's not even Z-targeting because you don't press the Z button. You hold the fire button and run in a circle.

>>724686234
The dinosaur was right behind you, sorry you died Link

>>724685915
oot is tlou of the 90s
>>724686771
>babby first rpg

>>724686992
Thanks for making it clear I don't have to take you seriously.

>>724686771
>horseback riding, dynamic camera, towns with NPCs, lots of items to both traverse the environment and fight enemies, in-engine cutscenes instead of relying on FMVs, varied dungeon design each with an interesting gimmick.
several famicom games had all this

>>724686234
WATCH OUT LINK THERE'S A DODONGO BEHIND YOU

>>724686234
>silver gauntlets
NGMI

>>724686771
>but Ocarina of Time is the full package in a way not seen before
Maybe, though the only examples i can think of that came with as many features crammed into a single game come from PC games and much like i said with audio quality comparisons between OoT and other things on other consoles, it's hard to compare stuff without it counting as cheating (Daggerfall is a humongozoid game, but you'll never see that shit run on any console hardware), nevermind that it still falls into the RPG territory anyways.

I am still not convinced OoT did the full package in a single cart, but this mostly stems from the way other games were full packages of different features. Take Half-life 1, a game with minimal cutscenes that managed to be very cinematic and had world design that was THAT revolutionary as prior FPS games were more arcade-y where beating 1 stage takes you to the next with little inter-connection between levels,HL1 tosses you a ''Loading...'' and suddenly you're on the next level.
Again
>PC games being comparible to console games
Hard to pick up who was the truly revolutionizing game when MANY games were super revolutionary during that console generation that OoT alone, while a pretty good game, is hard to call a masterpiece when this shit was one of many masterpieces from the late 90's.

Though if you ask me, without Majora's mask, you would not see more narratives that deeply involve the player's actions without it being an RPG and that feels more revolutionary to me compared to OoT in spite of said narrative push leading to cringy games being made, but me saying MM is the revolutionary game is silly when this shit is 99% recycled assets from OoT + smaller questline (game is shorter and truth nuke: Padded out by resetting the cycle, but you can be a gigachad to git gud and beat MM 100% on a single cycle)

>>724684023
You're not gonna like the answer, but BotW and TotK

>>724665037 (OP)
>the classics are just okay
>gaming has never been worse
I'm starting to think gaming was never good in the first place.

>>724665037 (OP)
nah i played them last year as a 30 year old and they easily became my top 10 of all time

>>724670865
Honestly, even now there are few games that have succeeded anywhere near as well as MM did with its time loop. I can only really think of (point & click style) adventure games that have succeeded in something similar with quests and NPC scheduling.

>>724686771
>>724684710
Isn't the easiest answer that there was nothing like it at the time, it was popular and that most modern 3rd person are quite similar to it? That makes it revolutionary by default.

Literally same. I am fan of 3D platformers and adventures, but I hadn't wow effect.
I always liked Hobbit and PS1 Harry Potters more. I played Maximo in last year. And it was much better.
LttP and BotW/TotK are real 11/10 zeldas.

>>724665037 (OP)
the zealots are uppity and rowdy lately.

>>724692518
>zealots were agaisnt the romans
>the romans diddled boys
huh weird, its actually appropriate and not a buzzword

>>724681217
Man I can't wait until the RT64 mod... I wish it wasn't taking so long. I want to replay both games but I won't until I can get MAX GRAPHICS

I AM ERROR

>>724665037 (OP)
Well it's easy to say that today that we have tons of games that stand on the desing philosophy of Oot, but Oot invented it.

>>724665695
>there were never Ootclones.
hahahahahahahahahaahahaha

>>724665037 (OP)
I played OoT when I was like 6 and I fucking loved every second of it, its still one of my favorite games to this day, though admittedly I really only play randomizers in ship of harkinian these days.
I only fully played MM when I was in my 20s, after I gave it a shot as a kid and was too retarded to cope with the limited time. But I don't feel the same about MM, I liked it, but I'd rather play almost any Zelda game other than MM
You might be on to something, but I really can't imagine feeling any differently about OoT, but I guess I'll never know, I can't unplay it and remove my nostalgia for it.
I'd absolutely rather play MM again than BotW or TotK though

>>724665037 (OP)
I mean if they gave it a modern graphical facelift and some control fixes, it's still vastly better than Breath of the Wild.

>>724667897
I thought it was a meme. nobody takes zeldafaggots seriously

>>724694765
I'd rather they just made a new legitimate N64 Zelda, as is. Same graphics. I don't even know what you mean by "control fixes." No shield/bomb exploiting? Yeah fine whatever, I'm not a speedrunner.

>>724694863
The N64 controller sucks when viewed in retrospect. Would need to update the control scheme to take advantage of the modern setup of a generic PC controller. I've never played any ports so I have no idea if this has already been done or not. And it looks ugly by modern standards, it needs new graphics. My nostalgia doesn't cloud that fact.

>>724694064
some stupid game im playing you find a stranger and try to talk to them and it goes
>insert placeholder text
>...did you just say "insert placeholder text"?
>hah, yeah, it breaks the ice
actually tricked me the first time i saw it

There is no single greatest game of all time. It's all hyperbole.
Though I would be hard pressed to find ten games I like more than OOT.
The only thing is it's pretty much a game for kids, so there's not much there in terms of challenge or mastery. That said, it's still too hard for modern audiences, who would piss and scream and complain that there's no yellow paint or instantaneous fast travel.

>>724695221
Oh you meant the physical controller. Yeah, the layout blows on that weird 3-hander. The game controls great though, which was why that statement confused me. Link runs variable speed depending on the tilt amount, and you can pretty much do anything you need him to do.
>And it looks ugly by modern standards
It's blocky, obviously, but I think that adds to the novelty. They did really good with the limitations the system had. Meanwhile I think BOTW and its shaders just look tacky, and they can't blame it on Switch being limited.

>>724665037 (OP)
here’s your bait response:

OOT is a generic 3D adventure game that is only sucked so hard for being so ground breaking for its time

MM is probably one of the best games ever made and nobody has ever even tried to make a similar game because of how perfect it is

I wish I was joking, but other than QoL detriments from being a 25 year old game, there are very few objectionable criticisms of that game.

I'm 19 and ocarina blew me away.

>>724686234
>handmade link costume but there sits the worst jack-o-lantern you’ve ever seen

Halloween is dead

>>724665037 (OP)
We just had a OoT ocarina hate thread and OP just had to spam another one
Botw and totk are trash

>>724695929
It's a *good* generic 3D adventure.
There's stuff it does that even a lot of modern games don't do. From Software games don't even have swimming, or the ability to aim your bow without it being janky shit, for example.