Thread 724780225

How come no one talks about the PC vs. console battle over electricity bills? A PC costs you $100 more per year than a console if you play around 2 hours per day

No it doesn't

maybe people who can't afford electricity have bigger problems than pc vs console

>>724780314
how do you know? do the math, in my country for sure it is.

>>724780393
it doesn't because TVs consume significantly more power than the average computer monitor.

>>724780426
watt?

>>724780225 (OP)
Poorfag. 100 is nothing.

even if it did, worth

>>724780225 (OP)
undervolt my nigga. my 5700x3d and 4070ti super build uses around 250w at max load, and it's never under max load gaming.

Because pc fags are pathological liar when it comes to cost

>>724780225 (OP)
This is probably only true if you're being silly and comparing the power supply max wattage or something. Give us your maths

My PC cost about 1$ in electricity to run per day and I'm on it 8+ hrs per day. I don't even bother shutting it down at night.

>>724780225 (OP)
Don't care, the government pays my electricity bills

>>724780478
TVs consume DOUBLE the wattage than a typical (27") monitor. Doesn't take a genius to work out why that's worse.

Average TV ~100-200W
Average Monitor ~50-100W

This is because the power consumption scales with the size of the panel.
So, unless you have your PS5 hooked up to a small monitor, console gaming will use more power.

>>724780225 (OP)
I pay 0 rupees monthly on my electricity bill

>>724780225 (OP)
Why would I care enough to talk about $8 per month?

>>724780693
PS5 draws about 200w while gaming
PC draws over 750w while gaming

your 100w monitor vs tv difference is irrelevant

>>724780478
Yes, watts.

>>724780783
>PC draws over 750w while gaming
kek
kwab even
the fuck you're smoking nigger
my 7800X3D+4080 can't beat 400W, measured at the wall

>>724780817
you have to be a dumb american because jokes go right over your head and you take things literal

>>724780783
>PC draws over 750w while gaming
What kind of PC draws anywhere near that much?
A typical high-end system is barely surpassing a 400W peak for a rig significantly more powerful than the PS5.

>>724780783
>PC draws over 750w while gaming
Most PCs don't even have a 750W PSU you double nigger

>>724780783
>5090 draws more power than a 2060 box
woooah dude epic comparison

>>724780826
I've managed 950w
I guess if you're broke enough to worry about 100w power usage you're broke enough to have a shit computer

>>724780225 (OP)
Are you mining bitcoin 24/7? How would the kwh become high enough to be relevant?

>>724780864
He probably thinks that if you have a 750W PSU, it must be drawing 750 watts at all times.

>>724780783
if your PSU was running at maximum throughput at all times it would fucking explode in less than a day

>>724780893
I don't think even the most inefficient system (intel 14900k, 5090) will draw that much.

>>724780864
>pcs don't have 750w
yes. I forgot I'm talking to the third world

>>724780225 (OP)
Ok and how much does playing a console online cost a year?

>>724780852
>>724780864
Huh? everytime someone wants to build a pc with a 4080 they recommend to buy a 750 power supply.
>>724780940
The OP is talking about 2 hours gaming sessions.

>>724780957
I don't care what you think. I've checked it.

>>724780826
>my 7800X3D+4080 can't beat 400W, measured at the wall
I've got a similar set up and that's only when under 100% cpu + gpu load which never happens in real scenarios

>>724780957
a 5090 draws 550w+ alone

>>724781018
check THIS *fucks your mother*

>>724780986
$20

>>724781054
sorry thirdy. not everyone is running a celeron cpu and voodoo gpu

>>724780693
Monitors are more like ~30w and tvs more like ~70w.
Average "gaming pc" probably 300-400w when playing. In comparison docked switch 2 is like 20w.
It's huge difference

>>724780225 (OP)
>guys let's ignore ALL the downsides of playing on console for a moment

>>724780225 (OP)
>if you play around 2 hours per day
console fag detected.

>>724781007
Ah, and there it is.
No, idiot, a 750W PSU is NOT DRAWING 750 WATTS AT ALL TIMES.
(it more than likely won't come close to max load in a decent build)
The reason people may recommend you to buy a higher-rated PSU than the maximum load is to provide a safe headroom for unexpected peak loads (something Nvidia cards in particular are infamous for spikes), as well as generally allow the system to run cooler & quieter, as a PSU running at max load is likely to run a lot hotter versus a higher-rated unit not working as hard.

>>724780225 (OP)
Bullshit. Here's the draw of my PC right now along with two monitors, a router, an ONT, and speakers. Obviously when gaming it pulls more power, but so do consoles and I've never seen it go over 300w.

>>724780393
my electricity bill only went up by 3 euros going from 200W to 800W, literal nothingburger

>>724781119
It's true that the Switch 2 draws very little power, but then again it's a Switch 2. The games' performance reflects the low power of the system. PS5 or PS5 Pro is a more reasonable comparison for OP's question.

>>724780393
my electricity bill only went up by 3 euros going from 200W to 700W, literal nothingburger

the load is variable. it all depends on your components, your bios settings, and what are you running exactly.

using a more efficient psu is more important usually. platinum-titantium psus burn less idle and load power than a gold for example.

imagine being poor as fuck and being concerned over these costs
ha ha

>>724781164
This plus it's best practice to have the average load (for whatever your main use case is at least) be 40~60% of PSU max wattage, because this is the point of peak efficiency

>>724781007
>Huh? everytime someone wants to build a pc with a 4080 they recommend to buy a 750 power supply.
Okay, so you don't know anything about anything.

If you're running your PSU at 100% then you're drastically shortening the life of the PSU and reducing power stability in most PSUs. Also, your consistent power draw will not be your peak power draw.

You don't buy a 750W because you expect to be during 750W consistently.

I have an 1100W, I can theoretically hit 900W but in practice I draw <600W during gaming. (i7-13700K, 4090)

Only if you run server 24/7 or smth like that

>>724780225 (OP)
idk because it seems like kind of a third world consideration?
it's like saying you don't have an electric kettle, a microwave, a TV or a dishwasher because of the bills, so you only listen to FM radio and wash your clothes in a tub outside.
besides 100$ annual is the price of PSPlus or whatever goytax they make you pay on console?

>>724780225 (OP)
Wow this is gonna make me go bankrupt

>>724780225 (OP)
Assuming this is true, £100 more in electricy bills over 12 months is £8, less than an hours work a month.
For the cost of less than an hour working a month, I am getting games at discounts of up to 95% and I'm not paying a yearly subscription on top of paying for the electricity of console gaming.

You still save more money on PC.

>>724780783
>A PS5 has a 350W power supply but draws about 200W most of the time
>A PC might have a 750W power supply so it must be drawing 750W all the time
Are you literally retarded or just a fucking liar?

lol poors

>>724781401
>stop comparing it to a good pc , you must compare it to the average dogshit PC which /v/ has

There is no PC vs console battle in terms of price. PC is more expensive. But you also get what you pay for. PC costs more but is a superior experience. It's like debating Ferrari vs Skoda (I don't know if this holds up because I'm not a carfag but you get the point). PC is premium and you pay a premium. Console is cheaper overall but you get a worse experience. Honestly the worst thing about the PCMRification of PC gaming is that it wants to have every single argument in its favor. It's a stupid mentality. There is a reason why people buy consoles instead of PC and that reason is cost.

>PC
>No need for console
>Or TV
Idk, it's just better long term. You also don't need some high end shit or upgrading like a spazz to have fun

>>724781336
It also means the PSU will last a lot longer.
You could alternatively buy a very high quality ultra efficient 450W PSU instead, but it's generally a lot more cost-effective to buy a decent 750W than a best-in-class 450W.
But yeah, the majority of PSU's are at max efficiency around 40-60% load.

>>724781230
Just think, if you saved that 3 euros every month, you'd have 1800 extra euros in your bank account in just 50 years!

>>724781440
people with rigs that draw as much a concrete mixer don't give a fuck about paying 8 bucks a month more for electricity
what the fuck is this thread even trying to do?

>>724781418
Most people use a 27" monitor

>>724781570
just a poorfag outburst console hate thread.

>>724780225 (OP)
PS5 total power output is 340-350 watts. My PC only uses 300 watts and performs the same if not better than a ps5.

>>724781440
>>stop comparing it to a good pc , you must compare it to the average dogshit PC which /v/ has
Completely missing the point.

He's correctly assuming that the PS5 will be drawing about 60% of the power supply rating and then incorrectly assuming that a PC will be drawing 100% of the power supply rating.

Hence, either a retard or a liar.

>>724781603
oh my , you can save an extra $2 per year by having a shit size screen.

>>724781570
Today's kids rent high end PCs for $40 a month and then fail to have enough money left over for their $150 electric bill.

>>724781418
>2 hours a day
LMAO.

>>724781680
>a shit size screen.
The size you need depends on how far away you're sat. Multi-monitor setups are also a factor to this.

>>724781651
I've literally posted the calculated spends of a console vs PC in this thread which everyone has ignored while shrieking like a deranged tranny
>>724781315

>console vs pc
It's now Windows vs Linux, unc.

>>724781721
that's what the OP says

>>724780225 (OP)
Not really, when you play a game on a console, the game is optimized to extract all the hardware from the console, not mattering if it's a game from 2020 or 2025, on pc, when you play older games, you can hit the fps cap on max settings and not use all of your GPU, therefore not hitting max consumption.

And if you're worried about energy consumption, you can lock the frame rate and reduce visual settings, reducing consumption.

>>724781892
You could use energy efficiency modes in Windows as well. Nearly everyone turns that shit off immediately, but a poorfag might need to consider it. Of course, it'll throttle your performance, but you'll still be out-performing consoles anyway.

>>724780225 (OP)
>consoles are magic and actually draw less power for better graphics
lol, lmao

>>724781315
how do you calculate this exactly? I mean how do you know your annual data?

>>724782030
he just asked an AI to do it for him.

>>724781045
yeah and the 14900k like 200w (9800x3d uses 100w). so where's the rest of the 200-300w coming from, your ass?

I want an air conditioner but I can't install those wall ones, so I'm between a portable one or a window unit and I know both of those are gonna cost a lot more to run than a wall unit. Everyone says window units are better and more energy efficient but how much more efficient are they, and are they worth the additional 300 dollars to install? Any expert here please give me some needful advice
I play both console and PC btw

>>724782030
that's google aislop kek
he didn't even bother use a proper psu wattage calculator

>>724782087
>are they worth the additional 300 dollars to install?
The fuck? It's literally open the window, put it in, close window.
Why would you pay $300 for somebody to install it?

>>724781045
you can underpower to 400W no problem
>>724782076
same with the 14900, you can easily run it at like 150-170W out of the max 250 while losing negligible performance.

Going full wattage is only recommended if you have very good cooling because if your parts get too hot the conductivity decreases and you actually start losing performance, I wouldn't even run these parts at full power unless I had a custom watercooling loop.

>>724782162
I live in an apartment so they gotta install the support on the outside and all that shit, and I dont have those kinda windows.

>>724782289
>they gotta install the support on the outside and all that shit
Support brackets require two screws in the window frame at most. Anybody can do it. Don't pay more than the AC costs to have it installed.

>>724782381
what if anon is living on 10th floor of a flat

>>724782456
You don't need to go to the outside of the building to install the support, it literally just hangs out the window.
t. install an AC in my 3rd floor apartment every summer without going outside

Talking of power efficiency I run a 4090 capped at around 260W, with a voltage cap and core/mem overclock. I have a 5800X3D capped at 85W (typically much lower in games). Now, maybe the system as a whole could draw 350W-400W during intensive gaming (admittedly, I haven't got a way to check, so this is an estimate). My system is absolutely more than twice as powerful as a PS5. So the efficiency argument falls apart. Consoles are more efficient at the time of release but obviously this drops off over time, and I'm sure you'd see a similar favourable comparison with low-end parts that are closer to PS5 performance

The other thing is that DLSS or FSR 4 support represents an invisible efficiency advantage. If a PC can upscale 720 to 4K and get a similar or better image to a console upscaling 1080 to 4K, well, that's a huge loss that isn't represented in the numbers

>>724782381
>in the window frame
Huh, I thought you needed to screw those bottom parts into the wall too? But anyway are they really that much better at cooling and electricity saving than the portable kinds with a hose?
>>724782456
How did you know kek

>>724780817
That's what I'm asking you

>>724780225 (OP)
>>724780783
PSUs don't consume the max power wattage constantly, retard.

>>724782578
>Huh, I thought you needed to screw those bottom parts into the wall too?
No, they just rest on the side of the building. They've got rubber feet.
Window units are better because they don't give off any residual heat since the unit is mostly outside. Portable units, even with a hose, will still give off heat into the room.

>>724782381
> no drilling
bullshit
how do they get it so stick to the wall on the outside

>>724780225 (OP)
I don't live in a shithole where electricity bills are a concern

>>724782672
who said they did?

>>724782672
yes but it still consumes more than a console

>>724782730
The weight of the AC pushes the arms into the building. You only need to drill down into the window frame which you can do from the inside. Some modern ones don't even need that.

>>724782771
entirely depends on the specs of the build

>>724781803
OP is a faggot.

>>724782820
you would know

>>724782730
That is for a half ton unit at best which are around 35Kg tops the rubber feets are enough.
But yeah its retarded to not drill it.

>>724782883
don't you all have wooden houses anyway?

>>724782690
>>724782808
iWell that's good to know, I can probably figure out how to do it myself then. Didn't expect to get an actual answer about ac on the nogames board, thanks anon.

>>724780225 (OP)
>A PC costs you $100 more per year
Even if that were true, I wouldn't give a shit. That's basically nothing.

>>724782001
They do because the games are better optimized.

>>724782690
>Portable units, even with a hose, will still give off heat into the room.
Is this really an issue though, considering you're using it to cool the room and all?

>>724780225 (OP)
>A PC costs you $100 more per year
That's literally less than PS Plus or Game Pass, both of which are required to play games online on consoles.
I'll take the superior experience on PC and pay more on my electric bill, thanks.

>>724782808
i figured that much for the outside but not securing it to the wall too seems like a huge failpoint due to metal fatigue
it's outside after all and im assuming the elements will eventually wearit down to the point it breaks and falls out
too bad there isnt something like a rolling platform for inside the house and will secure it inside while the exhaust side will vent outside the window

>>724780225 (OP)
I haven't paid for electricity in over a decade

>>724780225 (OP)
Have you tried not starting a forever war with russia and letting ukraine blow up your gas pipelines?

>>724783050
Yes, it's why they're less efficient, more heat in the room means it needs to cool longer in order to cool the room down.
>>724783068
The bracket is partially inside and is held down by the AC unit's own weight. Technically you could install a window unit with no bracket at all as long as you weren't a retard and opened the window with the unit in it. The window holds the AC in place more than anything.

>>724783012
>games are better optimized.
LOL

>>724783216
Making a game for a single hardware configuration is far easier than a billion hardware configurations.
Console versions always run better than a comparatively specced PC running the game because of this.

>>724780783
The people who can afford 750w machines don't have to worry about electricity costs.
My PC runs at like 100-150w most of the time because I don't play AAA games.

>>724783268
Modern gamedevs are DOGSHIT at optimizing their games. No effort is given anymore into optimizing the latest AAA slop.

>>724783268
>Making a game for a single hardware configuration is far easier than a billion hardware configurations.
What is DirectX?

>>724783216
Its true, sorta.
They only need to hit their target framerate of 30 in a very specific subset of hardware with settings you aren't allowed to change to ship it, and consolecattle eat it up because they can't tell the difference while sitting 10ft away on their couch.

>>724783068
>metal fatigue
How does metal that isn't flexing fatigue? Do you just regurgitate words that you heard once?

>>724780783
Playing the same game at the same specs, both would demand roughly the same amount of electricity, there isn't anything in the console that helps it save power running the same game at the same specs as someone on PC. In fact PC has power controls and most game consoles don't.

>>724780225 (OP)
>around 2 hours per day

>>724783557
Maybe he just really likes the game.

>>724782381
Growing up in NYC you put 2 cans of fucking beans under that shit and your good to fucking go.

>>724783749
>he doesn't know about efficiency
lmao
I know fuck all about consoles, but efficiency varies massively on desktop GPUs. A 5080 is a hell of a lot more efficient than say a 3080, running the same game with the same settings at the same framerate.

>>724783960
This. It's why I buy the latest GPU every single year. I save so much on my electric bill. Going from a 4090 to 5090 I saved $22 over the course of last year. Sold the 4090 for $800 and the 5090 only cost me $2300! Great deal, great saving!

>>724784130
retard

>>724781163
>>724781721
>>724783789
what's going? if you have a job and you have a family 2 hours per day is very normal.

>>724780225 (OP)
>PC power consumption is when power supply rating
retard

>>724783960
>I know fuck all
could've just left it right there

>>724783749
Rust exists.
It'll vibrate from the AC unit and bolts might loosen and it might fall apart.
Welds might rust and it might fall apart.
Everything is possible.

>>724780225 (OP)
I live in a first world country where electricity isn't as expensive as the actual technology.

>>724780225 (OP)
Retard, of you want to save energy you can cap fps and resolution to almost whatever shit you want, also you can undervolt almost every single piece of hardware. There's even custom setting to be used like nvidia inspector to lower graphic even further so they run on a potato.
Cucksoles are locked down so niggercattle doesn't break anything.
I bet PC can get even lower power consumption than cucksoles, but why

>>724780225 (OP)
>A PC costs you $100 more per year than a console if you play around 2 hours per day
Not really. A PS5 requires about 200W, but a modern high-end graphics would only require 40 or 50 Watts for the same graphical fidelity (whatever is comparable to a PS5, so 720p @60 FPS + upscaling + medium or low settings). The reason being that it is overpowered for that scenario and therefore barely has to do any work.

>>724780893
>I guess if you're broke enough to worry about 100w power usage you're broke enough to have a shit computer
That just means this whole thread is useless and made by a poor pajeet.

>>724783557
i dunno
i assume 300 pound object weighing down on a a sheet metal form at 2 single points will eventually begin to warp not just from holding the 300 pound object but because of the effects of weathering
im assuming you knew all that before you posted your confession of idiocy

>>724782771
Barely if you use the same graphical settings as the PS5.

poor people are poor for a reason. they are retarded and stink like shit. fuck poor people, fucking cry babies

>>724785840
Poor people got fucked by an unfair system. You're retarded.

>>724785210
retard

>>724784512
>>724786825

>>724780225 (OP)
>having electricity bills
lmao

>>724786497
yea it isn't your fault it's always someone else's

>>724782076
an unlocked i9 can hit 450-500w

>>724787124
Well, /v/?

>>724781340
+50 for monitor and peripherals

>>724782076
>when retards pretend to know stuff

>>724787351
>a multi-threaded blender integrated test is equivalent to power draw while gaming with a discrete card
sure thing bro

>>724787296
Definitely high IQ!

>>724787534
>the graph showing 500w power draw doesn't count

>>724787697
Are you legitimately retarded?
The graph is showing a CPU ONLY multi-threaded test, where they run a Blender render test ONLY USING THE CPU. It does not reflect a real-world scenario of running a game on a CPU + GPU.

>>724787351
This is a CPU test at max power draw, you disingenuous retard.

>>724787506
What build uses 400W sustained while gaming?

>>724787810
>it just doesn't happen
>you only need 600w for a 5090 and i9 and it'll be perfectly safe
>and that's why Nvidia recommend over 1000w PSU minimum
just shut up you retarded poorfag

>>724787912
An old one I had one that would pull that no problem.

>>724787951
Read >>724781164 >>724781336 >>724781497

>>724780225 (OP)
I use my PC to make money thoughbeit.

>>724788019
who said it was drawing 750w at all times?

>>724788105
just replace the 750W & 450W figures with 1000W and 600W respectively. The points made still stand regardless of the power required.

>>724787912
Look man if you have 3 monitors you can get a 100w pull on that alone ad 5w for every fan and that's another 50w.
Are you telling me your pc isent pulling 300w?
Because it is that's why most builds can't use a 500w psu.

>>724788208
>strawman
who said a that a 750w PSU is drawing 750w 100% of the time?

>724788261
this is just bait
boring

>>724780225 (OP)
You do understand that PCs don't draw the entire available power from the PSU 100% of the time, right? The power load is dependent on the current load on the CPU, GPU, and other components. It's possible to use a 1500W PSU and only top out at 400W of power.
>high school retard who just took physics and thinks he understands power and electricity

>>724787351
>posting a fake chart

>>724780225 (OP)
I pay around 40 bucks every month no matter how much I use my pc or shit like the oven or heater, don't see why I would care about spending even less

>>724788219
>if you have 3 monitors you can get a 100w pull
Average 55" TV draws more than this btw

>>724780225 (OP)
>>724781119
>in comparison the switch 2...
I was going to argue that the price difference is fine because you actually get better graphics and games on the PC, but then I remembered how many indie games with simple graphics use 100x the resources of the prettiest games from 20 years ago, and aren't as fun

Then again, I would pay less in bills to play old games and console gaymers can't do that
>but I can just whip out my old Xbox
Red ring

>>724788361
>it's fake
lol
is this also fake?

>>724780225 (OP)
My xbox sex, 5.1.4 atmos, 65" sony 4k tv thats pretty old pulls about 350w when playing something like forza or bf6.

My gaming pc playing something like cs2 at 4k maxed out pulls 600w on the tower by itself.

That doesn't even mention the noise. I've got a fractal case and big ass noctua fans, but when that thing is pumping I can hear it. The xbox? Never hear it, ever.

There are ALWAYS pros and cons.

>>724788592
>My gaming pc playing something like cs2 at 4k maxed out pulls 600w on the tower by itself.
What are your specs?

>>724788393
You can get monitors that pull more too

>>724788562
except the 5090 is actually rated for 575W while the 14900KS is only rated for 253W non-oc, claiming 374W at stock when it exceeds official manufacturer specs is retarded.

>>724788720
Sure, but I'm talking about averages.
The average 55" TV has over double the power draw of the average 27" monitor.

>>724788665
i9-11900k, 3080ti

>>724780225 (OP)
Behold my ultimate solution 100€ free electricity for 10y

>>724788739
my other 5090 pulled around 630w when I first got it but recent drivers/firmware limited it to dead on 600w.
so please tell me what 550w+250w+power for fans, pump, tranny leds, ssd/sata power , motherboard power etc add up to?

>>724788907
>intel
makes sense

>>724780225 (OP)
Because we don't actually play games so the cost for both is effectively $0.

>>724787912
I'm at 375 max, 9700x+RX6750XT.

can't you just play at 1080p and use dlss? even then, it's only the crazy demanding games like black myth wukong that are going to use up a lot of power, your average smaller game isn't gonna use much.

>>724788959
>so please tell me what 550w+250w+power for fans, pump, tranny leds, ssd/sata power , motherboard power etc add up to?
Who asked??

>>724788005
>>724789130
>sustained
key word here
Yes, your builds will very likely hit over 400W PEAK, but anon's calculation assumes a constant sustained load of over 400W for 5 hours every day.

>>724789179
the whole point of it was that a PC doesn't use 750w.

>>724780225 (OP)
Because I have solar panels and battery storage. When my batteries are full I export. I haven't paid a power bill in like two years.

>>724789256
No?
The whole point was that it wouldn't draw 950W
(see >>724780893 >>724780957 as context)

You'd have to be living in an unheated shack if a gaming PC is the biggest concern for your annual power bill.

>>724780225 (OP)
Hundreds? Where the fuck do you live, germany?

>>724789326
I have literally drawn 950w with a 4090 and 13900k.

>>724789365
you should have 5x performance of PS5

>>724789256
I don't care what argument you had with someone else, I just pointed out that that chart is bullshit, literally every single mobo BIOS will limit the turbo power to the manufacturer rated max, in this case 250W, claiming 370W stock is not believable in any way.

>>724789441
I probably did have 5x the performance of a PS5. A 4090 runs 8k better than a PS5 runs 1080p

>>724789486
take it up with the website. I don't give a fuck what your opinion of anything is. You're just clueless and babbling shit

>>724789247
You are bad at math or to literal.
Even if peeak is lower even if sustained is not that.
My pc gets turned on when I wake up and runs all day bet most people will have it on for 8h and only game 2h at a time in two or more sessions.
It literally doesn't matter you will keep a Pc on forever but the console is another animal.

>>724780225 (OP)
Easily offset by a 32" screen vs. a 70" televisions screen.

>>724789486
motherboards have an unlock power restraint toggle. You can choose intel power limits or unlock them. That's what was causing intel chips to fail because motherboard manufacturers where adding their own boost and power limits which the CPU couldn't sustain.

>>724780225 (OP)
If you're concerned about power you can just buy lower power parts. I'm not concerned about PC wattage because it's still negligible. My itemized power bill shows the day I use my clothes dryer completely dwarfing days where I just play games.
>>724789340
>You'd have to be living in an unheated shack if a gaming PC is the biggest concern for your annual power bill.
Pretty much. You have to be either very poor or in a country with very bad electricity pricing for gaming to be a concern, even with a 5090.

>>724782531
if you are playing non-demanding games yeah, but the 4090 auto jumps to 350W if you are playing a game like Cyberpunk at 4k, people forget that all this wattage talk depends on the game you play mostly and settings.

>>724789614
>You are bad at math or to literal.
Look again at >>724787506
He's calculating 405W load @ 5 hours / day for a 365.25 day total.
Most people's gaming PCs aren't drawing that much power constantly while gaming. Hence why I asked what kind of build would draw that much (figuring that maybe anon had a particularly inefficient rig, it's possible he did)

>>724789945
>350W
450w, which can go to around 500w if you set it to 130% power in the nvidia software

>>724789714
This isn't the plasma days, a 65" oled is like 150w, modern TV's are not going to bridge the gap, especially when modern consoles are only pulling 200w max.

>>724780670
t.

>>724789582
>calls someone else a retard while posting fake information that he believes and then continues to call others clueless
Damn, your mom must've drank hard during pregnancy.
>>724789727
then it would also show on the 14900K and the 13900 models, because they had the same issue, so it's clearly after the microcode fix was implemented

poor people problems

>>724790096
>it's fake
it isn't. You're clueless
>then it would also show on the 14900K and the 13900 models
it did. what the fuck are you on about?

>>724790292
I don't see the 13900 hitting 400W in that chart, in fact it's very close to the intel 250W turbo limit

>>724789990
Well I wake up at 7 and go to sleep at 2.
My pc is always on even if it's using only 100w it will pull more then his 5h of gaming.
Consoles are on only when you game and they don't pull much.
My laptop will pull 200w+ I don't know what my pc pulls but I bet it's at least 30% more.

>>724790419
I have the intel limits in place and hit just shy of 300w. If I go into bios and unlock it it'll go up another 100w

poorfags arguing about electric costs make me laugh

t. has 2 AC units in house

>>724790876
>My pc is always on
>Consoles are on only when you game
Both of these are down to the user.
Some people let their PS5s power on themselved to install updates/games overnight. Some people do not leave their PC on 24/7.
I get what you're saying, but I don't think your experience reflects the average user.
Hell, I don't even know what spec your desktop PC has.

How many gay RGB fans can this PSU offset?

>>724791505
>STRAIGHT POWER
uhm, homophobic much????

>>724790084
Nah man, I am Western Mongolian and live in Western Mongolia.

>>724785740
>300 pound
Are you stupid or just pretending?
My AC is 30 pounds max

>>724790084
Nah man, I am West Mongolian and live in West Mongolia.

>>724780783
>PC draws over 750w while gaming
Not all builds draw the same, as not all builds have the same parts, parts of which you can configure the draw yourself

>>724791995
What's wrong with East Mongolia?

another thread which proves /v/ are a bunch of third worlders with PCs no better than a console

>>724780225 (OP)
a console drawing $100 less is performing worse than a pc drawing $100 more

>>724791982
that op image does say 220 lbs max
my mistake
your 30 pounder must be shit and an irrelevant point since everything posted up on this point was in relation to the op image and not your retarded specific life circumstances
try to stay on topic for once in your retarded life

>>724792174
It's not West Mongolia

>People only talk about GPU+CPU Wattage
>They forget the Motherboard itself draws around 80-100W on average while in decent use for games
>They don't mention peripherals and fans too

PC gamers are cuked in terms of electricity

>>724780225 (OP)
Non issue

>>724792502
>They forget the Motherboard itself draws around 80-100W on average while in decent use for games
>They don't mention peripherals and fans too
lazy ragebait fag

>>724780225 (OP)
I live in a first world country, so electricity and water are included in my rent.

>>724792871
>AI
lol

>>724780893
Based delta enjoyer, my set of fans full 400w alone.

>>724780693
how did we get to the point where people split hairs over electricity usage that's less than picrel 20 years ago

>>724792502
but consoles have a motherboard and peripherals too?

>>724792502
fans are only 5W a piece, maximum.

>>724792871
>WAAH WAHHH STOP BRINGING FACTS

They even included the fact that everibody will tell you to factor 100-140Watts for your MB alone, PC cucks keep losing

>>724793432
inflation

I wonder how many morons there are on /v/ using AI to argue about subjects they personally don't understand and then getting confused or annoyed when people laugh at them for obvious falsehoods when the AI hallucinates some bullshit.

>shitty bait OP
>200+ replies

>>724794848
at least it's on topic

>>724793432
Electricity is only going to get more expensive in the future thanks to AI, which makes this conversation more relevant than ever. When you have something like the Switch 2 pulling just 10–20W, while PC gamers draw 500% more electricity just to hit 30FPS more, you really have to wonder what the hell is going on with modern GPUs and CPUs. My old GTX 1080 used to max out games back in the day and barely pulled 160W. Now we’ve got the 4080 and 5080 drawing over 350W just to max modern titles. In a single decade, we’ve more than doubled electricity use instead of becoming more efficient. PC gaming has become a waste of power and efficiency overall, mainly because Nvidia don’t want to invest in truly efficient architectures, they just reuse old ones, crank up the amps, and call it “better performance.”

Wake. The. Fuck. Up.

>>724780783
I got 450W per my UPS playing BF6 on 1440p native with a mix of low and high settings, averaging 60-110FPS
Why lie?

>>724795152
What happened is the best employees at Nvidia have no incentive to go to work every day as they're mostly millionaires thanks to the company giving its employees a stake in the company. The newer recruits at Nvidia are pissed about this, as they're having to carry the slack at the company without proper training from the veteran staff. This is why the design, efficiency, and consumer value of Nvidia cards have taken a nosedive. Meanwhile, AMD has struggled to compete with Nvidia in the graphics card market.

As for CPU power consumption - that mostly an Intel issue.

>>724797180
shit pc

>>724798623
still over twice as powerful as the PS5 thougheverbeit.

>>724780225 (OP)
Snoys have to pay 80$ a year just to play their own games online on top of the already payed internet bill.

>>724780225 (OP)
My GPU barely draws 30W while playing non Unreal Engine games. My 4 huge monitors on the other hand...