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Anonymous No.724792881 [Report] >>724792958 >>724793128 >>724793132 >>724793302 >>724793354 >>724793562 >>724793572 >>724793659 >>724793780 >>724793790 >>724794034 >>724794751 >>724794808 >>724794810 >>724795262 >>724795335 >>724795947 >>724796004 >>724796060 >>724796382 >>724796564 >>724796871 >>724796921 >>724797418 >>724799747 >>724799759 >>724799818 >>724800174 >>724800764 >>724800887 >>724801478 >>724803050 >>724808062 >>724808989 >>724809284 >>724809360 >>724811241 >>724811373 >>724811752 >>724811852 >>724813569 >>724813847 >>724814584 >>724817589 >>724819310 >>724820534 >>724822160 >>724822761 >>724823327 >>724824086 >>724824159 >>724829419 >>724829581
Should you make a game even if no one plays it?
Anonymous No.724792958 [Report] >>724793612 >>724793671 >>724801328 >>724820337 >>724820667 >>724823727
>>724792881 (OP)
I have a hobby project where I remake my favorite games from scratch and make a unique artstyle for them, just to do it, but I don't plan on releasing them ever
Anonymous No.724793128 [Report] >>724801901 >>724811032 >>724820442 >>724821951
>>724792881 (OP)
ask the dustborn devs
Anonymous No.724793132 [Report] >>724793226 >>724793326 >>724793578 >>724793728 >>724793730 >>724795064 >>724795754 >>724796458 >>724797281 >>724798341 >>724798690 >>724801945 >>724802532 >>724803945 >>724811890 >>724812817 >>724813097 >>724813370 >>724814030 >>724816090 >>724821105 >>724822020 >>724822192 >>724827883 >>724829474 >>724829661
>>724792881 (OP)
writing a book is a 100 times easier than programming a videogame. Only brainlets think otherwise. You just need to learn basic grammar, style pitfalls, story structure, dialogue. All can be learned by reading books. You can't learn a programming language by playing videogames.
Anonymous No.724793161 [Report]
I'm thinking of making something like that and shoving my most disagreeable fetishes into it
Anonymous No.724793226 [Report] >>724793690
>>724793132
Well /v/ always says you should only make games for yourself and not care that nobody plays them, even if they're harder to make.
Anonymous No.724793302 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
>gayson gaylor
Anonymous No.724793326 [Report]
>>724793132
What if I make vidya that teaches those things?
Anonymous No.724793354 [Report] >>724793490
>>724792881 (OP)
only if you enjoy what you make and its a game you would play yourself.
of course it'd suck to not get much money from it but its something you genuinely enjoy as a product. it can always blow up post-release too who knows
Anonymous No.724793365 [Report] >>724810620 >>724824348
>want to make a game
>spend 40-60 hours excitedly working on it
>realize I have no idea what I'm doing
>what I've made looks like ass
>give up
>wait X months
>repeat from start
Anonymous No.724793387 [Report] >>724796112 >>724827964 >>724829749 >>724829756
I try but it's fucking hard.
Anonymous No.724793490 [Report] >>724793641 >>724793697 >>724797505 >>724801294
>>724793354
>it can always blow up post-release too who knows
This doesn't happen.
Anonymous No.724793562 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
yeah as long as you don't bank on making money off of it. I wrote a novel for fun and it actually sold pretty well but I didn't quit my job and treat it like I was becoming an author as a career, it was just a hobby that ended up getting published. Video games are the same way, do it for passion and you might get lucky.
Anonymous No.724793572 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
>op pic
That's great advice actually, it's training for your mind. I do it from time to time and in those rare cases I feel my brainfog clearing a little
Anonymous No.724793578 [Report]
>>724793132
but you can learn a programming language .... by reading a book.
Anonymous No.724793612 [Report] >>724793746 >>724793827 >>724800803 >>724800969
>>724792958
Reatrd, releasing the game cost you literally nothing, but you kiked up cunt refusing to do so even though you "creating shit for literally nobody".
Anonymous No.724793641 [Report] >>724793914
>>724793490
It's vvery rare but it does happen. Stardew valley made the creator incredibly wealthy and I don't think he ever expected it would.
Anonymous No.724793659 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
yes and for the same he says to write a book in his video
and no i haven't nor intend to watch it
Anonymous No.724793671 [Report] >>724794002 >>724814524
>>724792958
What was the last game you finished remaking?
Anonymous No.724793690 [Report] >>724793786 >>724793836 >>724793858 >>724793960 >>724793964 >>724794385 >>724794508 >>724795635 >>724797234 >>724800163 >>724800569 >>724804412 >>724806689 >>724812360 >>724815552 >>724816006 >>724823096
>>724793226
Thats fucking gay as fuck. If you are making entertainment the obvious goal is to make something good for other people to enjoy, that's what the struggle is about.

If you are going to make anything for yourself give up all this gay media shit and learn how to build a fucking house, or learn how to fix a car, or SOMETHING not totally gay and faggoty that makes your parents disappointed in you. Learn how to make things that are actually useful to yourself or society.

We need less artists, we need more tradesmen and craftsmen. Theres too many videogames and other diarrhea
Anonymous No.724793697 [Report] >>724793914
>>724793490
amogus
Anonymous No.724793728 [Report]
>>724793132
programming is not that hard to learn, they teach it in elementary schools these days kek. That's why they are easy to replace for indians.
Anonymous No.724793730 [Report]
>>724793132
Finger painting is even easier
Tbh competing in art at the commercial level is difficult in every sector
Making games is fucking hard. Making a commercially competitive mix for a beat is hard. You should do it anyways.
Anonymous No.724793746 [Report] >>724794987
>>724793612
>releasing the game cost you literally nothing
You're the retard here
Anonymous No.724793780 [Report] >>724793838
>>724792881 (OP)
If you are interested in doing so? Yes. Actually making a game gives you experience with tools and important parts of a project and actually completing a job. That lets you understand what you need, and you'll be familiar with the tools required along with what is needed to complete a game.
Anonymous No.724793786 [Report] >>724794591
>>724793690
You are subhuman btw.
Anonymous No.724793790 [Report] >>724810605 >>724813440
>>724792881 (OP)
I make mods for myself and for shits and giggles. Does that count?
Anonymous No.724793827 [Report] >>724794987 >>724810356
>>724793612
not releasing it also costs him nothing
you're not entitled to his personal projects
Anonymous No.724793836 [Report] >>724794591
>>724793690
Trades are for retards who can't do anything else.
Anonymous No.724793838 [Report] >>724796483 >>724800009
>>724793780
>you'll be familiar with the tools required along with what is needed to complete a gam
How does that help you in life, though?
Anonymous No.724793858 [Report] >>724794591
>>724793690
>Your hobby should be more wagecuckery but for free
You talk like my grandpa
Anonymous No.724793914 [Report] >>724812819
>>724793641
>>724793697
>bro look at this insanely rare exception! it's totally going to happen bro!
Anonymous No.724793960 [Report] >>724816680
>>724793690
>we need more tradesmen and craftsmen
We never had a shortage of those. Take your retarded speech back to lebbit.
Anonymous No.724793964 [Report]
>>724793690
why dont you study an ant colony you fucking retards
Anonymous No.724794002 [Report] >>724802328
>>724793671
I remade Donkey Kong arcade but donkey Kong was a big snowman and jumpman is an Eskimo with a big red nose, and the Powerup was an ice pick. Prior to that I remade bubble bobble but you played a guy with a cold and blew snot bubbles, I'm currently working on buster bros but you play as pinnochio and your lying nose pops the bubbles which are coins you want to bring home to gepetto.
Very nose-centric stuff
Anonymous No.724794034 [Report] >>724794119 >>724794192
>>724792881 (OP)
I get filtered by 3D models, and I don't want to make 2D pixel slop
I've also been drawing for 6 years and I still suck at it
I'm tired, boss. I'm so tired of being a failure and getting nowhere.
Anonymous No.724794119 [Report]
>>724794034
You're only a failure if you quit . Cheesy but true.
Anonymous No.724794192 [Report]
>>724794034
If it makes you feel any better, you can't succeed in gamedev unless you spend at least $50000 on marketing. That's just to get noticed, we're not talking about actually being successful.
Anonymous No.724794385 [Report] >>724795821
>>724793690
>If you are making entertainment the obvious goal is to make something good for other people to enjoy
That's a solved equation, it's called FIFA and COD slop. If your "dream game" is to create a product with mass appeal, you have to be one of the dullest dreamers imaginable.
Anonymous No.724794508 [Report] >>724795821
>>724793690
>If you're going to do anything for yourself you should do the things that "I" deem valuable.
>also WE need more of this or that, so go do that instead of the thing you wanted to do for yourself
Do you even read the drivel you type before hitting the submit button? Holy fuck brother.
How's your house going by the way?
Anonymous No.724794553 [Report] >>724794920 >>724795245
>how DARE you want to be actually acknowledged and rewarded for your efforts! you should make games for free, and never get a penny from it, because i am a brown subhuman third worlder who can't afford food so i am entitled to the fruits of your labour for free!
Anonymous No.724794591 [Report] >>724794902 >>724797252 >>724800206
>>724793786
>>724793836
>>724793858
Your grandpa was right more than ever in 2025. You hate it because it attacks your filthy pathetic Ego that thinks you actually have anything creative brewing in your head that isn't pure shit. You are not the next Toby Fox, you're a dumbass with terrible ideas that's only going to contribute to how shitty videogames are because theres 10 million of you homos spewing out pure garbage on steam. AI is going to completely take over everything anyways. But an AI can't build a house, an AI can't fix your car, an AI can't fix your plumbing etc

By all means, if you have a career in something and you are actually not living in your mummys basement, and you already have a decent set of skills already, go and make your little pixel shit indie trash no. 12401024. But for gods sake if you are young and you don't know how to cook, how to take measurements, how to cut wood, how to do basic maintenance on your car, how to handle your finances, how to invest, basically every basic skill a man needs before he's 30. Please spend your hours on THAT and not learning how to write a fucking book or make a fucking game or whatever the fuck. Do it or you will be FUCKED.
Anonymous No.724794669 [Report] >>724794753 >>724794858 >>724795858 >>724807202 >>724816496 >>724829379
I've written 2 ya romantasy novels. I've shared them with a few people, and they seem to really like both. I can't program, draw, or create music. to save my life, however. I'm proud of myself for finishing them, in any case.
Anonymous No.724794751 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
you shouldn't, its not worth it
Im speaking from experience
Anonymous No.724794753 [Report] >>724794910
>>724794669
post them
Anonymous No.724794808 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
Sure, within reason. Something something practice.
Anonymous No.724794810 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
I did
and no one played and I don't care
Anonymous No.724794858 [Report] >>724794910
>>724794669
Im proud of you, girl
Anonymous No.724794902 [Report] >>724812031
>>724794591
@grok summarise this schizo rant pls
Anonymous No.724794910 [Report]
>>724794858
I'm a man in my 30s, I just love romantasy books and others in similar genres.
>>724794753
Too scared.
Anonymous No.724794920 [Report] >>724795259 >>724795313
>>724794553
You create for the sake of... acknowledgement? Are you a woman?
Anonymous No.724794987 [Report]
>>724793746
isn't it free on itch io
>>724793827
but I am
Anonymous No.724795064 [Report] >>724795305 >>724808905
>>724793132
Making games is bullshit because you have to do ALL of what you described. You have to learn the programming, you have to learn the art even (if you use assets, you have to learn how they work in the engine), you have to learn to write, you have to learn music (same as art, you need to know basics or you'll pick shit music and use it poorly), you have to learn non-music sound design, you have to learn UI design, psychology, oh and how could i forget, you also have to learn basically everything a tabletop GM does for game design. This is all on top of researching a halfcentury's worth of video game design and development.

It sucks and you WILL burn out.
Anonymous No.724795245 [Report] >>724795313
>>724794553
>how DARE you want to be actually acknowledged and rewarded for your efforts!
millenials and roasties really are hilarious
Anonymous No.724795253 [Report]
This is something interesting I learned recently and figured I'd share in this slide thread;
There was a warning from ancient Egyptians about literacy. Thamus, a mythological king of Egypt, said to Thoth the god of letters who had invented writing: "...this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it. Because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing... will discourage the use of their own memory. You have invented not an elixir of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, but not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant."
I don't think this meant that they thought writing was all bad, but it is true when you learn from a book you can't question the written word like you would a master teaching you a craft. And the story really just is "old good new bad" lol
Anonymous No.724795259 [Report]
>>724794920
I can tell you're a 80 IQ subhuman who has never made anything in its pathetic life. Not even a school essay.
Anonymous No.724795262 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
Yes, creating is always a great excercise
Anonymous No.724795305 [Report] >>724795539
>>724795064
Not true. You can get away with using license free music and still make a successful game. See 100% Orange Juice.
Anonymous No.724795313 [Report]
>>724795245
>>724794920
Samefag
Anonymous No.724795335 [Report] >>724804868 >>724811223
>>724792881 (OP)
No.
I'm making music that no one listens to instead, it's much less work and at least it's fun and I actually do enjoy listening to it myself.
Anonymous No.724795539 [Report]
>>724795305
>oh, but you can sidestep one hard discipline with free assets, that means the rest of development somehow also becomes easier and therefore making games is super easy!
Smartest /v/tard
Anonymous No.724795635 [Report] >>724796517
>>724793690
no, that's cuckoldry
Anonymous No.724795754 [Report]
>>724793132
Writing is easy. Writing something that will pander to the biggest audience is easy. Writing something and continuing it after you develop a fanbase is unbelievably hard.
Anonymous No.724795821 [Report] >>724797252 >>724815964
>>724794385
You have to make something that isn't garbage though. Basically every videogame is "slop" now because no matter what you make there's somebody else right now already making a game similar enough to your own that only one needs to really exist. In fact Literature had the same problem in the 50s and 60s, literally fucking every single nigger with a typewriter thought they could be a novelist and there was a absolute massive surge in shitty short stories and novels that were absolutely terrible. Videogames have the exact same over-saturation problem. Im not trying to be a doomer over here but you picked literally the worst point in history ever to start making videogames.

>>724794508
You're a dumb liberal faggot if you think learning basic skills like carpentry, painting, cementing, tiling, car maintenance, cooking, literally anything that saves you a shitload of money if you can do it yourself is something only "I" deem valuable over your retarded liberal arts bullshit. And yes, you live in a society, its not a meme, every person is responsible in his own small way for improving that society and passing on that usefulness to the next generation. There are too many artists these days, the internet has literally polluted an entire generation into thinking that they're special snowflakes with pure creative gold that the whole world just has to see
Anonymous No.724795858 [Report]
>>724794669
based
Anonymous No.724795947 [Report] >>724806954
>>724792881 (OP)
mine would just be nigger repeated 15000 times
Anonymous No.724796004 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
Look at him. He LOOKS like the type of person that would have rich parents that would call him Grayson.

He can't help it but this is basically what black people imagine when they get angry over the thought of white people. They imagine white people as Grayson Taylors looking like Peter Parker telling black people to read and write.
Anonymous No.724796060 [Report] >>724796394
>>724792881 (OP)
I have a basic plot outline, characters, and worldbuilding which seems to be the easiest, as well as a talent for drawing but I keep neglecting it even though I recently got a drawing tablet.
Anonymous No.724796112 [Report] >>724811430 >>724820638
>>724793387
you guys write your book all in one document? I have one per chapter.
Anonymous No.724796114 [Report] >>724796818
>retard being mad that he's so pathetic he can't even write a short story so he lashes out at anyone actually making something creative
Lmao @ this normalcattle retard
Anonymous No.724796382 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
What purpose does creation serve?
I don't create anything. I simply consoom.
Anonymous No.724796394 [Report]
>>724796060
You're well ahead of 80% of the pack. Best of luck and let us know when you have something playable!
Anonymous No.724796458 [Report] >>724796815 >>724797024 >>724800409
>>724793132
undertale was made by a guy who could code at a yandere dev level
you are victimizing yourself
Anonymous No.724796483 [Report]
>>724793838
>>you'll be familiar with the tools required along with what is needed to complete a gam
>How does that help you in life, though?
I you like making games or want to make more games, then yes, that will help you out later in life.
Anonymous No.724796517 [Report]
>>724795635
Anonymous No.724796564 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
you're supposed to make a game (You) want to play
it's only the AAA industry that hires devs explicitly as parts and labor instead of looking for people who are passionate
Anonymous No.724796815 [Report]
>>724796458
Yeah, well, I am not a gay furry so I have no interest in making a game whose entire legacy is a meme skeleton and pornography of a fat goat.
I mean seriously. The actual truth is you need to make a game that appeals to furries. If you hit, they will spend any amount of money to support you and will draw an unending amount of free pornographic advertisements for your game.
Anonymous No.724796818 [Report]
>>724796114
Nah, "Normalcattle" are people who order uber eats every meal, spend $500 on a mechanic to replace their fucking sparkplugs, throw everything away instead of learning how to fix it, hire cheap mexican labor to do everything for them (ICE is fucking over weak white people btw), post their shitty art and games on twitter and discord thinking anybody cares, waste time on useless IT skills that AI is coming in and replacing, has zero plans for their economic future, etc. Literally everything Jews hope you become so you keep consuming and creating more goyslop

The brainrotted zoomers are absolutely fucked if they don't learn from their grandpas and ignore all the mistakes their balding retarded S*y drinking millennial dads made.
Anonymous No.724796871 [Report] >>724813657
>>724792881 (OP)
Well, why should I write a book? No, I'm not watching your video.
Anonymous No.724796920 [Report]
>he's still seething
Grim life.
Anonymous No.724796921 [Report] >>724797056 >>724797481
>>724792881 (OP)
I wrote a very simple book this year, shared it with some family, friends and anons who said they liked it but it never took off. It was worth it though, I got a fun fictional world of my own and a hobby that has really clicked with me.
I would recommend you at least try, "success" really doesn't matter when it's just enjoyable to create.
Anonymous No.724797024 [Report]
>>724796458
Undertale also had the Homestuck audience already backing it and ready to push it to the top, whilst also releasing in 2015, the single best time to be an indie dev because quite literally ANYTHING made money back then and was seen by real people.
It's always a retard who doesn't understand how the market works that brings up Undertale, Stardew Valley or Among Us.
Anonymous No.724797056 [Report] >>724798620
>>724796921
Videogames are not enjoyable to create.
Anonymous No.724797102 [Report]
my diary is 400 pages long
Anonymous No.724797234 [Report]
>>724793690
Ok yeah, this board actually really does hate video games. Why are you here?
Anonymous No.724797252 [Report] >>724799619
>>724794591
>>724795821
>topic is about doing things purely for your own accomplishment even if no one will know
>starts an unprompted speech about how some random guy should go into trades because muh society
Talk about missing the point. Go have kids so you can tell them what they should do with their lives dude. Maybe after you finish that house you're building, right?
Anonymous No.724797281 [Report]
>>724793132
that used to be true but not anymore since chatgpt
Anonymous No.724797406 [Report] >>724797802
>have a good eye for when a game looks worth playing, even if they have bad graphics
>everything I create looks "not worth playing"
I'm not going to make it
Anonymous No.724797418 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
That dude looks like he crawled out of the womb last Friday why would anyone listen to anything he has to say?
Anonymous No.724797481 [Report]
>>724796921
Based creator-Anon.
Anonymous No.724797505 [Report] >>724797781
>>724793490
this lol, the steam algorithm is heavily biased towards new games
even if your game gets discovered randomly, it needs an absurd amount of return for valve to start promoting it
Anonymous No.724797781 [Report]
>>724797505
>heavily biased towards new games
Heavily biased towards new HIGH-EARNING* games. It's why 4 player co-op games are so "popular".
Anonymous No.724797802 [Report]
>>724797406
Being able to recognize good art won't autimatically make you a good artist. Just keep creating and analizing your own stuff.
Anonymous No.724798174 [Report]
I can create good stories in my head on the fly but when I try to actually write it down it comes out like a retard wrote it.
Anonymous No.724798341 [Report]
>>724793132
Basic grammar is learned by being psychologically abused by a university professor with an English literature degree until you forget all you think you know and relearn from first principles. The quality of writing has fallen of a cliff since the trivium was shelved in the western education system.
Anonymous No.724798620 [Report] >>724798887
>>724797056
It depends on the person, just like any other activity
Anonymous No.724798681 [Report] >>724799663
>>724797857
Why was this janny'd? He wasn't even wrong.
Anonymous No.724798690 [Report]
>>724793132
Ok, go do it then.
Anonymous No.724798857 [Report]
I am game deving for years now. First I had a dream to be the next big indie guy. Years later, my perception shifted and now I don't care anymore about that. I just like implementing complex systems and making them work with each other.
Anonymous No.724798887 [Report] >>724799160
>>724798620
>It depends on the person, just like any other activity
No, videogames are objectively not fun to make. Once you're past the brainstorming/prototyping stage it's nothing but a monotonous slog of making assets and fixing bugs and polishing.
Anonymous No.724799160 [Report]
>>724798887
It's just you, I enjoy improving, refactoring and polishing code. To a lesser extent I also enjoy creating assets. What I really don't like is to program UI
Anonymous No.724799619 [Report]
>>724797252
Guy sounds like a niggerfaggot who bumbled right out of /pol/. Such is the state of this board.
Anonymous No.724799663 [Report]
>>724798681
likely site-wide ban for something else ie porn
Anonymous No.724799747 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
Yes, but viveo gaymes are too hard to make and books are for homos so instead do a card game and play it on tabletop simulator.
Anonymous No.724799759 [Report] >>724799828
>>724792881 (OP)
There's no fucking way you're writing a book when you are employed. This shit is just for neets with too much time on their hands.
Anonymous No.724799770 [Report] >>724803168
i made a porn comic with the power of AI and got some (you)s on pixiv
Anonymous No.724799818 [Report] >>724799968
>>724792881 (OP)
sure, making a game develops your skills so its fine if its a solo project or a small team that releases a game with no advertising. At least you can point to that in your resume. If its a studio that cancels a project that is nearly complete then that just sucks and wasted everyone's time and money.
Anonymous No.724799828 [Report]
>>724799759
>There's no fucking way you're writing a book when you are employed
Now imagine making a videogame.
Anonymous No.724799968 [Report] >>724800020 >>724800058
>>724799818
>At least you can point to that in your resume.
Where would having a flopped game on your resume help with getting employment?
Anonymous No.724800009 [Report] >>724800218
>>724793838
Because if you don't do it now you will never do it. That is a complex that many people have, is 'I don't do "x" because its not valuable for "y".' which is usually their wagecuck job or this fantasized ego fiction of this super successful corporate tycoon. That works for drugs or alchool but if you want to do something you have to go out and do it. Its better than regretting it.
Anonymous No.724800020 [Report] >>724800112
>>724799968
believe it or not Concord devs get rehired.
Anonymous No.724800058 [Report]
>>724799968
any software engineer job? Proving that you know how to make a functional game already puts you above 90% of pajeet code monkeys.
Anonymous No.724800112 [Report] >>724800213
>>724800020
If there's no game studios in your country, it's useless.
Anonymous No.724800163 [Report] >>724800216 >>724800604
>>724793690
>don't do anything unless other people can benefit off of your hard work
fuck off
you should do things for yourself first and everyone else second
Anonymous No.724800174 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
It does help to do something than let it sit in your head and grow increasingly frustrated over a relatively simple desire.
Anonymous No.724800206 [Report]
>>724794591
>But an AI can't build a house, an AI can't fix your car, an AI can't fix your plumbing etc
Yes it can, oh god yes it can. Robotics is already at the point AI can assemble cars nigga.
Anonymous No.724800213 [Report] >>724800369
>>724800112
AAA is all back in studio but you can still join indie teams and point to your game as proof you can release something.
Anonymous No.724800216 [Report] >>724800617 >>724800818
>>724800163
This mentality is what brought us flops like Concord and Awoved that nobody except the dev team liked.
Anonymous No.724800218 [Report] >>724800482 >>724800554
>>724800009
Releasing a game that nobody games is not better than never making one, wtf are you talking about? You'll regret the hours (and potentially money) you spent on it for the rest of your life.
Anonymous No.724800369 [Report]
>>724800213
Indie teams are even more locked down than AAA. Already established indie teams are usually a tight-knit groups of friends that won't let strangers in. They don't do hiring rounds like AAA does.
Anonymous No.724800409 [Report]
>>724796458
there is not a single indie game on the market coded by a single person did that plays better than undertale
Anonymous No.724800482 [Report] >>724800659
>>724800218
This. Don't pursue risky creative projects just because you had a good idea.
Instead pursue boring corporate jobs that pay well and game in your spare time.
I'm making this sound ironic but I'm dead serious.
Anonymous No.724800554 [Report] >>724800863
>>724800218
What if it becomes big? Or is the start of something. You can't be afraid of risk, a fear that will sink your dreams. In ten years would you feel better about yourself that you didn't do "x" because you might regret time sink. Time flies no matter what so its best to do what you want to do, then putting it on a pedestal because of "x".
Anonymous No.724800569 [Report]
>>724793690
No.
Anonymous No.724800604 [Report]
>>724800163
You should do this regardless because entertainment made for everyone is milquetoast dogshit every single time.
Anonymous No.724800617 [Report]
>>724800216
shitty one offs are the cost of creative freedom
Anonymous No.724800659 [Report] >>724800735
>>724800482
But you still can pursue risky creative project in your spare time. Your point doesn't make sense.
Anonymous No.724800735 [Report] >>724801239
>>724800659
>I am going to code a game in the two hours of spare time that I have every day!
great idea. Call me when it's done in 20 years.
Anonymous No.724800764 [Report] >>724808546
>>724792881 (OP)
i don't care, i'm still making it, with cute anime girls and dumb donut steel writing
>lmao no one will play it
i will
Anonymous No.724800802 [Report] >>724804118
I've always wanted to create a visual novel but I am too scared to start
Anonymous No.724800803 [Report] >>724810356
>>724793612
>calling someone a kike for making something for passion instead of profit
>calling someone a kike for not releasing copies of real games
Anonymous No.724800818 [Report]
>>724800216
idk about avowed but Concord most definitely had woke counseling

dispatch is what first comes to mind cuz they know we'll just watch it on youtube yet they're still making it and don't care lol
Anonymous No.724800863 [Report] >>724801045 >>724801831
>>724800554
>What if it becomes big?
I already fucking said this does not happen, dumbass. Not anymore. Steam is heavily biased towards new releases that earn a lot of money very quickly. If your launch was bad then you're fucked forever. Especially considering how gamers only buy games at 70%+ discounts even if you SOMEHOW get a "super niche hidden gem" status like Brigand Oaxaca you'll still make less off it than working in fucking McDonald's. I'm not exaggerating here.
Anonymous No.724800887 [Report] >>724803452
>>724792881 (OP)
Spend massive portions of your time creating something no one will engage with at all is not worth it and no amount of retarded zoomer feel good self help slop will change that, it will do nothing to grow you.
Anonymous No.724800969 [Report] >>724810356
>>724793612
>Reatrd, releasing the game cost you literally nothing
It'll cost him a lot when his unauthorized copyright violating remake lands him in court
>b-b-but it's free
See: Nintendo
Anonymous No.724801045 [Report] >>724801230
>>724800863
your only shot is to give it to as many streamers as you can. I'd make a survival horror game if I had the focus to do it and give it RE speedrunners like Bawkbasoup.
Anonymous No.724801230 [Report] >>724801383
>>724801045
>your only shot is to give it to as many streamers as you can.
None of them will respond because none of them do it for free. You NEED to have a capital of at least $50k to do this
>but small-
No. Doesn't work that way either. Big streamers/youtubers don't watch what small streamers/youtubers do. They hop on trends and bandwagons.
Anonymous No.724801239 [Report]
>>724800735
If everyone thought like you (low testosterone thinking), some interesting games wouldn't exist. Example: Kenshi
Anonymous No.724801294 [Report] >>724801342 >>724801474
>>724793490
What about that piglet game?
Anonymous No.724801328 [Report]
>>724792958
I'm working on a similar project. A battletech CRPG. No intention of releasing it, but I likely will share it with my friends, we're all mech jocks.
Anonymous No.724801342 [Report]
>>724801294
What piglet game?
Anonymous No.724801383 [Report] >>724801662
>>724801230
Even small streamers know some of the bigger ones. Bawk played Outbreak with MoistKritikal. Its 6 degrees of separation.
Anonymous No.724801474 [Report]
>>724801294
the spookiest game of them all.
Anonymous No.724801478 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
I already write on AO3 and my regular readers can be counted on one hand but I'm gonna keep writing because it's fun and I might as well see it through.
Anonymous No.724801662 [Report] >>724801873
>>724801383
Look, I don't give a shit about your e-celebs that you watch, but whoever they are, it's a closed, curated circle that you cannot get in. When you spoke of small streamers/youtubers I assumed you meant the ones with very small viewerships, ones that would actually respond to you, and those most certainly do not have a direct line to whatever big cattle herder streamers.
Anonymous No.724801831 [Report] >>724802026
>>724800863
>I already fucking said this does not happen, dumbass.
Your the baka. You write your own fate. The reason your mad and argumentative is because your mental creating a doom fantasy in your head that you are "ngmi". If you did anything new is it always gonna fail? For you it might because you already believe that your gonna fail and never do anything so it fails because you never produced anything, while other anons do it and succeed because they believed in themselves or fail because it was the start of something new.

See if you never produce, never market, never ask, nor create the dream end of the fruit of your labor never comes. You muse believe that you already a yes dev and made it. Or anything in that regard. I wasted 14 years by putting things off, because in my head I thought. "I'm gonna wait to do "x" until I become rich. Then 14 years past and I was still in the same exact place. My life didn't changed until I actually produced something. Head my words as fathers time scythe is nigh.
Anonymous No.724801845 [Report] >>724804118 >>724827789
I have an autistic worldbuilding project to which I have poured who knows how many hundreds of hours at this point given that I've been doodling shit for this thing and writing goodle docs about the intricasies of this world and it's factions for better part of a decade if not more by now.
I dunno what to really even do with it besides just keep worldbuilding because my autism compells me to.
Anonymous No.724801873 [Report] >>724802110
>>724801662
If you don't watch streamers that's ok but don't act like you know what mid sized ones will do. Some read their chats and play fan games.
Anonymous No.724801901 [Report]
>>724793128
Oh no you didn't
Anonymous No.724801945 [Report] >>724802090 >>724811335 >>724829864
>>724793132
Writing is weird because you can spend one day writing hundreds of words than just stop not knowing what to do for the next couple of months.
Anonymous No.724802026 [Report] >>724802351
>>724801831
>your in place of you're
Not gonna read that.
Anonymous No.724802090 [Report]
>>724801945
Same but with gamedev.
Anonymous No.724802110 [Report] >>724802236
>>724801873
>Some read their chats
Messages posted by mods and top donators*
>and play fan games.
Curated by their team of mods who only push games based on bribes*
Anonymous No.724802236 [Report] >>724802662
>>724802110
depends on the streamer. Amogus owes its success entirely to streamers.
Anonymous No.724802328 [Report]
>>724794002
That's pretty neat, actually.
Anonymous No.724802351 [Report]
>>724802026
But you did and that is your response.
Anonymous No.724802532 [Report]
>>724793132
You can just have an ai code most of the shit for you.
An AI written book will be found out in seconds
Anonymous No.724802662 [Report] >>724802940
>>724802236
>Amogus
Okay, you quite literally have no idea what you're talking about. First off, Among us was already successful long before covid happened. Secondly, there was covid itself. All the normalcattle was locked inside their homes and had nothing else to do, so there was an explosion of streaming and online chatroom type games. Basically a literal miracle happened to allow Among Us to reach its level.

Unless you can show me an indie game on Steam that had less than 10 reviews before it blew up by being shilled by streamers, it does not happen ever.
Anonymous No.724802940 [Report] >>724803117
>>724802662
it was not successful at all. They were making a second game and scrapped it when amongus went viral.
Anonymous No.724803050 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
Yes. The only legitimate reason to make an indie game is because it doesn't yet exist so you have to make it.
Anonymous No.724803117 [Report] >>724803239
>>724802940
>it was not successful at all.
By your retarded consumer metrics? It was not a massive cultural phenomenon sure but it had at least a 100 concurrent players for years, and the fact that they were making another game means they made a fair bit of money.
If you don't fucking know shit don't talk authoritatively about it.
Anonymous No.724803168 [Report]
>>724799770
That's slop Luigi, you didn't make it (just jk'ing)
Anonymous No.724803239 [Report] >>724803416
>>724803117
by any metric that's a flop buddy. I've said my peace and this isn't a streamers marketing thread so I'll not beat a dead horse.
Anonymous No.724803416 [Report]
>>724803239
>I've said my peace
Okay no wonder you don't understand what "flop" means.
Anonymous No.724803452 [Report]
>>724800887
There are some sights that only someone sitting on top of the mountain can see.
Anonymous No.724803945 [Report]
>>724793132
Then programming must be really hard. I'm at a professional level in music production, art and 3d modeling, writing is what I'm learning right now, it's much harder than all the others.
Anonymous No.724804118 [Report] >>724804941
>>724800802
Nice, I want to do the same. Will you be incorporating Japanese VN story structure and cliches, or will you attempt something non-form?

I'm just thinking of creating something (likely nukige) that only takes about two hours to read. Just to keep it concise and not rob anyone's time unnecessarily.

A hint: just start imagining the plot on walks or in shower. The first step to creating a VN is then writing the script... I always get bored on this step.

>>724801845
Sounds nice. I think you're taking the same steps as Tolkien. What if you write a short story taking place in your setting that brings out the themes you've thought out in a concise way? A short story as an introduction to your setting.

Then maybe write more and see which protagonist you like the most, if you've written multiple protags...
Anonymous No.724804412 [Report] >>724806247
>>724793690
hard trvke to swallow.
"the individual prospers when individualism dies"
Anonymous No.724804868 [Report] >>724807236 >>724811223
>>724795335
Based. I recently downloaded a DAW to start making music.
Anonymous No.724804941 [Report]
>>724804118
I actually have a small number of characters that I have on occasion entertained the idea of writing a comic about within the setting. Comic because I am more visually inclined than I am inclined towards writing so I feel that it would suit my strenghts better. The basic idea I have is about a squad of low tier mercenaries doing mercenary shenanigans within the setting. Picture related features two of them.
Anonymous No.724806247 [Report] >>724806602
>>724804412
I.e. public health care, workers' rights and not having to worry about losing your job and home if you break your leg or hand.
In before demoralization spam bots REEEing about "communism" and "welfare queens."
Anonymous No.724806602 [Report]
>>724806247
Pssssch, it's not like those leopards are gonna eat MY face *CHOMP* AAAH NO THEY'RE EATING MY FACE HOW COULD THIS POSSIBLY HAPPEN
Anonymous No.724806689 [Report]
>>724793690
All of these things require extremely expensive schooling or a rare apprenticeship in order to do professionally. Art, music, writing - these are the few ventures you are legally allowed to pursue on your own that let you create anything. Welding is maybe the only "trade" you can actually learn on your own and be employable with.

Red tape and education/formal training requirements have a stranglehold on self-taught trades. Build a house? Yeah not gonna happen unless you have the proper licensing and certifications that requires lengthy and hard-to-get apprenticeships no matter how much you study on your own.
Anonymous No.724806927 [Report]
>he comes back to samefag his shitty post in a dying thread
Oh my.
Anonymous No.724806938 [Report] >>724807115 >>724807236
Fuck it. I'm asking this now.
Where do you post your amateur writing works?
Anonymous No.724806954 [Report] >>724829278
>>724795947
Somebody literally did that on /lit/ and tried to publish it and it got denied.
Anonymous No.724807114 [Report] >>724807328 >>724807436
as an artfag I hope one day I could collaborate with others on a project but I recognize it's the least important aspect of most works and especially now the easiest to skirt by.
Anonymous No.724807115 [Report]
>>724806938
This is actually a serious issue. There's practically no real venue to post original works that aren't connected to a random- or at least none that actually gain any meaningful attention. Unless it's horror, you can post that specifically in plenty of places on >>>>leddit
Anonymous No.724807202 [Report]
>>724794669
not sure if sigma or cringe
Anonymous No.724807236 [Report]
>>724806938
I just post stuff in threads for people to enjoy.
Ao3 is fucking awful. r*ddit is also awful. Self publishing is easy. When I'm just looking to post something, I upload it to rentry.co and let it expire after a week or two.
It's a really good way to write porn and remain anonymous
>>724804868
Have fun
Anonymous No.724807328 [Report] >>724807456
>>724807114
Collaborating is easy. Finding someone that won't rip you off or deliberately fuck with you is the hard part.
Anonymous No.724807436 [Report]
>>724807114
I have a character I've been working on that I write, draw, and voice. I just can't animate and I dont work well with others
Anonymous No.724807456 [Report] >>724808347 >>724828229
>>724807328
>Collaborating is easy
It isn't. Everyone demands money upfront now.
Anonymous No.724807947 [Report] >>724812080 >>724812198
>can't write
>can't code
>can't draw
>spend a significant amount of time making point and click adventure mockups because the genre is practically dead and I miss it
Anonymous No.724808062 [Report] >>724808261
>>724792881 (OP)
Im making a porn game for my own niche fetishes and I probably will never post it anywhere
Anonymous No.724808261 [Report] >>724808609
>>724808062
open a patreon or some shit and you'll probably get money for free from degenerates in your niche without having to actually deliver anything
Anonymous No.724808347 [Report] >>724808535
>>724807456
yes people usually need money for work they provide(leftypol destroyed once again)
Anonymous No.724808535 [Report] >>724809285 >>724810148
>>724808347
>retard can't read
We were talking about COLLABORATING, not HIRING people you 70 IQ moron.
Anonymous No.724808546 [Report]
>>724800764
Shill it here when you are done. I'm serious. I wanna play her game
Anonymous No.724808604 [Report]
AI writes way better than me so why should I even bother?
Anonymous No.724808609 [Report]
>>724808261
pretty sure patreon won't let me make money of aika from twintails getting fucked in the ass
Anonymous No.724808905 [Report] >>724809008
>>724795064
Honestly all of this and other things that happen outside of the game itself is precisely why there might never be a video game masterpiece that gets remembered for hundreds of years to come like art, books, music and movies.
This medium requires way too fucking much.
Anonymous No.724808989 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
Chatgpt, write me a book.
Anonymous No.724809008 [Report]
>>724808905
Astlibra should be that and it's not because what anon said also and especially applies to marketing
Anonymous No.724809284 [Report] >>724812749
>>724792881 (OP)
I have most of this board auto filtered, and that means people are posting stuff I can't even read by accident. Making a game that nobody plays would be as pointless as that.
If you're going to do something for yourself only, then writing a story makes more sense than making a game. It's less work for the same result.
Anonymous No.724809285 [Report]
>>724808535
Then either join an existing project yourself, get friends to work with, or prepare to have something tangible to show people. There's forums/developer communities you can advertise on.

You're the moron if you're DM'ing people out of nowhere asking them to work for some random guy for free.
Anonymous No.724809360 [Report] >>724809724 >>724810029 >>724810053
>>724792881 (OP)
Yes.
Art is never about the audience, it's about being happy with your creation.
Anonymous No.724809724 [Report] >>724810029 >>724810053
>>724809360
Based knower and connoisseur.
"Audience" is simply finding others that share your tastes and preferences.
Anonymous No.724810029 [Report] >>724810128 >>724810283
>>724809360
>>724809724
How can you be happy with your creation if nobody played it, retard?
Anonymous No.724810053 [Report] >>724810128
>>724809360
>>724809724
Samefag
Anonymous No.724810128 [Report] >>724810234 >>724811220 >>724813406
>>724810029
>>724810053
>this is what /v/ is now
Anonymous No.724810148 [Report]
>>724808535
mad and poor
LOL
Anonymous No.724810234 [Report]
>>724810128
>grievance farming, "the West has fallen," etc.
Anonymous No.724810283 [Report] >>724810346
>>724810029
Why would you cook food that tastes good if nobody else is going to eat it, retard?
Anonymous No.724810346 [Report] >>724810378
>>724810283
>food analogy
Some real gems of our generation's intellectual capacity in here.
Anonymous No.724810356 [Report] >>724811435 >>724826794 >>724826895 >>724827004 >>724827986 >>724829941
>>724800803
>>724793827
>>724800969
You ain't a tortured artist, you are retard who doesn't understand what labor is and it's purpose. If money isn't the main purpose then pride in one's work and sharing of the passion should be the only way and if you don't think like this your just a greedy kike, who neither sell your labor, because he knows it's shit, nor post it because ego is so fragile. Either way - a nigger.
>But muh copyright, but muh nintendi
No one gives a shit about you and 3 people who will see this, and if they do, worst could happen is a takedown.
Anonymous No.724810378 [Report] >>724810440
>>724810346
I thought you'd say that.
Anonymous No.724810440 [Report] >>724810989
>>724810378
If you seriously don't see the problem in your analogy then you are less sapient than an ape.
Anonymous No.724810605 [Report] >>724813440
>>724793790
Same. I think it counts. It's nice just being able to add extra content to a game without worrying about other trying to solicit you to make their mods for them.
Anonymous No.724810620 [Report]
>>724793365
Better yet
>Learning one thing
>Decided to implement in the project
>Start new project
>Spend most of the time implementing this one thing you learned.
>Either get burned out after finishing or have an idea about implementing a new thing
>Repeat the process some months later.
Anonymous No.724810845 [Report] >>724811224 >>724811462 >>724811521
I'm basically writing a ripoff of Sword Art Online but not as a setup for shounen romance like SAO was.
I'm more inspired by Tsukihime with it.
Anonymous No.724810989 [Report] >>724811297
>>724810440
There IS no problem with the analogy because it works.
Do you eat tasteless mush? If you do, that's fine, but some people like their food to taste good. Some of us like to cook for ourselves and make it taste good, and it makes us happy, and we're happy with that final result, even if nobody else gets to eat it.
Would you make a chair that's comfortable to sit on, even if nobody else is going to sit on it?
Would you wear clothes that adequately cover and keep yourself warm and are in a color you find enjoyable, if nobody is going to wear them?
We do all kinds of shit by ourselves that isn't necessary, for our own satisfaction. I know you do it all the time, and food is great for an analogy, because we all eat food, and food that we find enjoyable.
But what the fuck do I know, I'm less sapient than an ape.
Anonymous No.724811032 [Report]
>>724793128
DAAAAAAAAYUM
Anonymous No.724811160 [Report]
>should I make game
Yes you should. It's a great way for egotistic people to realize they are lazy and/or have shitty taste and ideas.
Anonymous No.724811220 [Report] >>724811341 >>724811556
>>724810128
Why have you searched up all of my posts, are you stalking me?
Anonymous No.724811223 [Report]
>>724804868
That's coo', best of luck and have fun!
And in >>724795335 I'd misread the OP, I thought it said "WOULD you...": One should always engage and take part in arts, creativity and activities they enjoy, no matter what others say or think about it. Anyone claiming otherwise is just wilfully shitposting and obviously outing themselves doing so.
Anonymous No.724811224 [Report] >>724812437
>>724810845
huh? So a boy-meets-girl MMORPG Isekai but the boy completely mogs her in a surprise 1v1? I hope it's not based on the remake version.
Anonymous No.724811241 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
Depends, are you making the game to express yourself or are you making the game to make money?
Anonymous No.724811297 [Report] >>724811664
>>724810989
>Do you eat tasteless mush? If you do, that's fine, but some people like their food to taste good. Some of us like to cook for ourselves and make it taste good, and it makes us happy, and we're happy with that final result, even if nobody else gets to eat it.
>Would you make a chair that's comfortable to sit on, even if nobody else is going to sit on it?
>Would you wear clothes that adequately cover and keep yourself warm and are in a color you find enjoyable, if nobody is going to wear them?
These are all things you use daily, moron, and food you need for daily sustenance so it makes sense to put a lot of effort into these things.
You're not gonna fucking play your game all day every day unless you're some freak.
Anonymous No.724811335 [Report]
>>724801945
wtf why did you describe my exact experience
Anonymous No.724811341 [Report] >>724811431 >>724811464 >>724811556
>>724811220
why are you being an insufferable faggot on 4chan? Can't you do normalfailure shit on reddit?
Anonymous No.724811373 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
No, you create things because you want other people to see and enjoy it. If nobody does, there's no point and anyone who says otherwise is full off shit. Why should I write something that only I will ever read or will be ignored? I can just play the story out in my head at that point. The only point of doing things for yourself that nobody else will see is simply as practice for the things intended for other people.
Anonymous No.724811430 [Report] >>724811687
>>724796112
I use google doc so the chapters are just different tabs on the same project. I like to keep the total wordcount though to chart my daily progress. (it's bad)
Anonymous No.724811431 [Report]
>>724811341
Why are you trying to dox some random dude in my thread? Fuck off and die, nigger.
Anonymous No.724811435 [Report] >>724812536
>>724810356
Are you making things and releasing them? You're clearly passionate about art.
Anonymous No.724811462 [Report] >>724811827 >>724811867
>>724810845
>want to write about a romance between a guy and the idol he hates
>don't know jack shit how romance or idols works
im ngmi already
Anonymous No.724811464 [Report] >>724811556 >>724811604
>>724811341
I don't use plebbit, and I've been here since 2009 or someshit. Where else would I post?
Anonymous No.724811521 [Report] >>724812437
>>724810845
Read more narikei if you think you are being original, you aren't. New Gate was basically the author just going "hmh, I can write better hack-fantasy that borrows these themes but its instead of trapped the protag is sent to the MMO world with his stats." Basically the dude just ripped off Sword Art Online kirito blackswordsman and Overlord and did his own thing.
Anonymous No.724811556 [Report] >>724811725
>>724811220
>>724811341
>>724811464
The first one I saw a couple of months back was such an obvious demoralization LARP from you people that I just clicked the MD5 option out of curiousity and waddaya know, it confirmed each and every assumption.
Anonymous No.724811604 [Report] >>724811725
>>724811464
Reddit? Bluesky? Formerly Twitter/X? Not like your pity posting is any different than copeposting tumblerinas.
Anonymous No.724811664 [Report] >>724811875
>>724811297
Yes we use those things every day, but those things can be made worse, but they were made better because of our self satisfaction with them. I could just eat tasteless mush all day, but I choose to put the effort in because I want something better to satisfy me. An artist thinks the exact same thing about a block of wood. Sure you could decorate your house with a block of wood, or you can turn it into something cool, like a grizzly bear or some shit. Even if nobody else gets to see it, an artist would feel the satisfaction of doing it.
Also
>You're not gonna fucking play your game all day every day unless you're some freak.
Pic related.
Anonymous No.724811687 [Report]
>>724811430
Better than what I do. My story consists of shifting narrative viewpoints that maintain continuity within themselves in a linear timeline but are scattered throughout the story still linearly in progression but in-between other similar narrative "chapters".

Each narrative is written in its own google doc and I paste each chunk into the whole when they are done, then move on to another and paste that in too, etc.
Anonymous No.724811725 [Report] >>724812078
>>724811556
>>724811604
Blogposting has been a thing that occurs on occasion since the fucking site was made. It doesn't have to be larp or some demoralization psyop.
Anonymous No.724811752 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
>youtuber
>full legal name
Total dogshit every single time
Anonymous No.724811827 [Report]
>>724811462
Plenty of people write on shit they know nothing about. If you don't want to do that, you can research stories of typical idol romances and then try to subvert, invert, do whatever to put your own spin on elements you found interesting or usable.
Anonymous No.724811852 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
Yes. Human creativity should not only be exercised because you expect fame and fortune from it. Do it because you want to and because you enjoy doing it
Anonymous No.724811867 [Report] >>724812542
>>724811462
Just read a bunch of romance written by both male and female authors and search up on idol culture and get a girlfriend
Anonymous No.724811875 [Report] >>724812424
>>724811664
>An artist thinks the exact same thing about a block of wood.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You're now moving goalposts into carpentry and home decorating when the original post was about a digital videogame, which is a completely different ballpark. You really are less sapient than an ape, since you can't maintain a single coherent thought for more than a couple of minutes.
Anonymous No.724811890 [Report] >>724812218
>>724793132
so you're going to let me, a highschool drop out write a book, that is going to be filled with grammar mistakes, shit writing, repeating words, Is, isn't, can't ain't, won't, maybe it'll be a best seller with my run on sencense
Anonymous No.724812031 [Report]
>>724794902
The rant argues that in 2025, traditional wisdom (like your grandpa's) is more relevant than ever. It slams aspiring creators for having overinflated egos and producing mediocre garbage (e.g., indie games flooding Steam), insisting they're not the next big talent like Toby Fox. AI will dominate creative fields anyway, but it can't handle practical, hands-on work like building houses, fixing cars, or plumbing.Advice: If you're established with a career and skills, fine—make your pixel indie game. But if you're young and clueless about basics (cooking, measuring/cutting wood, car maintenance, finances, investing—essential "man skills" by 30), prioritize learning those over writing books or games, or you'll regret it big time.
Anonymous No.724812078 [Report] >>724812237
>>724811725
>It doesn't have to be
Of course not, but it usually is, considering the amount, intensity and shape of it.
Anonymous No.724812080 [Report] >>724812198 >>724813617
>>724807947
this actually looks kind of cool, reminds me of stuff like anthology of a killer. you should learn to code, I bet zoomers would eat this up
Anonymous No.724812198 [Report] >>724813617
>>724807947
>>724812080
Seconded, it's a nice TWEWY aesthetic.
Anonymous No.724812218 [Report] >>724814197
>>724811890
Why not use that opportunity to fix your literacy skills? Try writing the best thing you possibly can with as little mistakes as possible while studying it and you'll eventually find yourself being better at writing and reading than 70% of people on earth (will soon be an 80% after chat GPT contaminates more of the youth)
Anonymous No.724812237 [Report] >>724812774
>>724812078
The far more likely answer is that people just use the same meme images etc they happen to like out of habit, than some sort of elaborate plan or psyop.
Anonymous No.724812360 [Report]
>>724793690
"No creative vision, let the fans decide" is categorically worse than "bad creative vision", in every single case.

Design by committee never works.
Anonymous No.724812424 [Report] >>724812654
>>724811875
Carpentry, music, food, video games, it's all a medium for creative people to work in. God damn, how do you not know this? Whatever, I'll make it video game related.
>I love video games, and I'd love to make a video game, because I want to play a game that I think would be really cool, because the kind of game I'd like to make, hasn't been made by someone else, and I'd be SATISFIED with the end result of my artistic endeavor. EVEN IF NOBODY ELSE PLAYS IT.
DOES THIS MAKE SENSE!?
Anonymous No.724812437 [Report]
>>724811224
>>724811521
Not really going for a shounen power fantasy here.
Think more about Shiki's relationship with Roa. I've written the history of my protagonist, Frank, and my central antagonist, Alvaro.
>in the not-so-distant future, a genius scientist named Alvaro Thompson, using technology he originally designed for prosthetics called MMTT, makes a Virtual Reality MMO
>he uses the game as a honey trap to keep people inside the game
>our protagonist, Frank, a 1-armed HS teacher rsponsoring the student club that's excited for the game's release, hears that no one can wake up and follows his students into the game willingly, feeling responsible for psyching them up
>but he's actually feeling responsible because several years prior, after losing his arm, he worked with Alvaro as a guinea pig in getting a working prosthetic. His brain was the basis for MMTT and if someone has used it to kill his students, that's on him in his eyes
Involves the dark implications on how MMTT actually works, how Alvaro intends to exploit it, so on and so forth. The "boy meets girl" portion of it, while necessary, hasn't been developed yet.
Anonymous No.724812458 [Report]
No.

You should aim for a good audience with whom you will exist in a feedback loop. They will cherish you when you create something good, and they will check you when you do something poor. As is appropriate.

I make music. (this is a short cover)
https://voca.ro/199YZanFbD3p
Anonymous No.724812536 [Report] >>724823458
>>724811435
Making, planning to release..at least the demo for now.
Anonymous No.724812542 [Report] >>724813162
>>724811867
>get a gf
i would rather make an actual game than do that.
Anonymous No.724812654 [Report]
>>724812424
No, and the reasons why have been outlined by other people in this very thread before.
I can tell you've never done a single creative thing in your life, not even an OC of any kind.
You speak like a true bugman.
Anonymous No.724812749 [Report]
>>724809284
if I write a story for myself I already know all the twists and turns. If I make a single player game for myself the gameplay will still hold up and I can randomize it. I'll know the systems and building blocks but not the order you get them.
Anonymous No.724812774 [Report] >>724812995
>>724812237
>S-STOP NOTICING THINGS!
gb2tw*tter
Anonymous No.724812802 [Report]
>write a book or make a game
>all mediums destroyed
>your medium miraculously survives
>becomes staple of a long gone era
Anonymous No.724812817 [Report]
>>724793132
You say this but most everyone agrees from normies to nerds that most modern writing is flaming shit.
Anonymous No.724812819 [Report]
>>724793914
>impossible
>happens
What did they mean by this?
Anonymous No.724812995 [Report] >>724813127
>>724812774
>Images in the archives having same filedata can't just be individual anons posting the same images they have saved on their image folders when talking about shit on 4chan.
>It has to be some sort of grand psyop to demoralize people!

Lmao, whatever you say, retard.
Anonymous No.724813097 [Report] >>724813203 >>724813229
>>724793132
>writing a book is a 100 times easier than programming a videogame.
but writing a good book is harder than making a good video game
Anonymous No.724813127 [Report] >>724813334 >>724813406 >>724813492
>>724812995
bait used to be more believable, people used to change their filenames when downloading them, you aren't clearly marks you as dishonest.
Anonymous No.724813153 [Report]
If anons here want inspiration just know that a guy on patreon makes 30k a month writing a 7/10 shonen webnovel
Anonymous No.724813162 [Report]
>>724812542
just get healthy and talk to girls bro, it's easier than you think.
Anonymous No.724813203 [Report] >>724816812 >>724817067 >>724831972
>>724813097
writing a good book is easier since you have all the knowledge to put to good use from the internet for free from people that did it before you.
Anonymous No.724813229 [Report] >>724816812
>>724813097
No it isn't. Gamers bitch about far more things than readers do. Even inconsequential things.
Anonymous No.724813334 [Report] >>724813492
>>724813127
It's kinda their hallmark, along with the constant "one of you guise" LARPing
Anonymous No.724813370 [Report] >>724825725
>>724793132
>B-But it's hard!!!
If Toby Fox can do it why can't you?
Anonymous No.724813406 [Report] >>724813492 >>724813502 >>724813686
>>724813127
Nigger, in this instance>>724810128
it is just me blogposting in random blogposting threads that have popped up over time, and the filename is the same because I have saved that specific image onto my computer as "spudo depis" so I can find it.
The only thing you have uncovered is that I am very uncreative with what images I use when I am talking about the depressive shit I deal with when blogposting on this fucking site.
Anonymous No.724813440 [Report]
>>724793790
>>724810605
What kind of mods?
Anonymous No.724813492 [Report] >>724813568 >>724813686
>>724813406
You're talking to a 70 iq /pol/ack. It's a deranged little creature that sees russians everywhere. Let it be and let it samefag its own posts.

>>724813334
>>724813127
Anonymous No.724813502 [Report] >>724813613
>>724813406
>no, I'm legit please trust me.
>tries harder to prove innocence somehow.
fuck off paid troll.
Anonymous No.724813568 [Report]
>>724813492
only person who said russians in this thread was you. As far as I know there's: NATO trolls, russian bots, indian shills and chinese troll farms as well as turkish trolls all government operated shitting up the boards.
Anonymous No.724813569 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
Yeah, if nothing else it's a great way to learn and exercise a variety of skills from programming, art, music, project management, and more that can transfer to other areas. Plus making stuff is fun.
Anonymous No.724813571 [Report] >>724813690 >>724813854
I'm going to start making Minecraft mods to practice Java, any ideas of what to mod? I think a goal project would be a magic overhaul to minecolonies that incorperates materials from mods like Ice and Fire and Ars Nouveau.
Anonymous No.724813613 [Report] >>724813758
>>724813502
The only thing I am proving is that you have made an elaborate retard fantasy out of a very simple phenomena of indvidual anons, in this case, me, using same images when posting on this image forum.
Anonymous No.724813617 [Report]
>>724812080
>>724812198
Thanks, I've been considering trying to at least find some Unity or Godot adventure game engine and playing around with it at some point, maybe I will take the plunge. I have a ton of assets for different mono-palette rooms like this with a similar UI and outline style I could probably cobble together into something
Anonymous No.724813657 [Report] >>724816408
>>724796871
I say come up with a story or make something about yourself, it can be a fic, it can be anything
Anonymous No.724813686 [Report] >>724813794
>>724813406
>>724813492
>vat? zey aren't buying it? double down, or you'll go to SMO next!
Anonymous No.724813690 [Report] >>724814001 >>724814964
>>724813571
Make a turn based rpg in minecraft
Anonymous No.724813758 [Report] >>724814069
>>724813613
>no its you.
Doubling down on your own retardation doesn't prove your point only makes you more sus as to why you are trying to prove you are "one of us" or some bullshit. Go back to turkish approved sites bitch.
Anonymous No.724813794 [Report]
>>724813686
What exactly do you even think my depressive blogposts have been "psyopping", you brainrotted retard?
Anonymous No.724813847 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
>have a setting thats reasonably fleshed out that I find interesting
>have no idea how to write a story within it
HELP
Anonymous No.724813854 [Report] >>724814001
>>724813571
please make some fucking enemies, I would kill for a pseudo-vanilla experience that has actual enemy variety. The majority of interesting enemies exist solely in mods with Parkour Civilization-tier platforming bs
Anonymous No.724814001 [Report] >>724814087
>>724813690
A turn based RPG overhaul is a cool idea, I'll keep that in mind but it is 100% above my skill level right now
>>724813854
So more Notch-era designs enemy wise without a bunch of hoops to interact with them?
Anonymous No.724814030 [Report]
>>724793132
It depends. A good game is a sum of a different developing parts, but book is just one thing. You can be a mid writer and your plot would be considered good on a videogame, but if you are a dedicated writer, you cant afford to be mid.
Of course from the amount of work required, vidya is definitely harder to make than a book. I can only assume that if you are a writer, you are working on a vidya project with other people. Trying to make everything on a vidya by yourself, is madness.
Anonymous No.724814069 [Report] >>724814358
>>724813758
I already proved the thing I set out to prove, that you have made out some retarded fantasy about psyops out of a very simple phenomena where people reuse the same fucking memes they have saved on their computers and post them multiple times on this site in different threads.

Thinking that there is some sort of grand conspiracy behind it, one which you can't even articulate the actual aims of, is just your own retardation.
Anonymous No.724814087 [Report]
>>724814001
Yeah just some simple monsters or something without crazy complex mechanics, just some guys to pad out existing enemies on the overworld which are extremely anemic in vanilla. Maybe another underwater monster would be cool.
Anonymous No.724814197 [Report] >>724814361 >>724814371 >>724814419 >>724814971
>>724812218
I honestly have no idea where to start with improving my literacy skills, I feel like learning though school would have taught me more than reading book would have, I though about doing some online courses but People saying digital knowledge doesn't stick with you long term like physical ones do (ie, in person learning)
Anonymous No.724814358 [Report] >>724814538
>>724814069
>Double break lines, drumming up themselves, doubling down on their own retardation rather than shutting up and fucking off.
You keep digging your grave its funny.
Anonymous No.724814361 [Report] >>724814904
>>724814197
Use Google Gemeni's guided learning and ask it questions or to explain things you come across as you read.
Anonymous No.724814371 [Report] >>724814904
>>724814197
just read some books and write. writing actually is a skill that just passively grows the more writing you consume, especially if you are writing genre fiction.
Anonymous No.724814419 [Report]
>>724814197
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pFsHieRfPds
Anonymous No.724814524 [Report]
>>724793671
None.
Its just a dream that I had and I enjoy lying about shit because I believe my own lies.
Anonymous No.724814538 [Report] >>724814934
>>724814358
I accept your concession, retard. Maybe next time when you start going on about your schizo rants about psyops with reposted images from the archives as your evidence, you won't be unlucky enough to be in the same thread a person who actually recognizes his own posts in your retarded "evidence".
Anonymous No.724814584 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
I'm making my own game and I don't expect anybody to play it. It'll be nice if it does get played and is enjoyed but my experience or joy from doing it doesn't come from someone else but from how I feel making it and eventually from having made my own game that I'm proud of.
Anonymous No.724814904 [Report]
>>724814371
>>724814361
thank you anons, I'll keep doing my best with learning, I appreciate your responses
Anonymous No.724814934 [Report] >>724815260
>>724814538
>Doubledown further for fifth time.
You are mentally ill government shill.
Anonymous No.724814964 [Report]
>>724813690
Shit man I'd play MineQuest.
Anonymous No.724814971 [Report] >>724815426
>>724814197
unironically erotic roleplay, hit up f-list
Anonymous No.724815260 [Report]
>>724814934
No, I am a depressed neet that spends his time browsing this site because I got nothing better to do and this is what boils down to socialization for me. You on the other hand, are some fucking schizophrenic retard that cannot admit having been wrong and instead insists that the world has to conform to your retarded fantasies.
Anonymous No.724815426 [Report]
>>724814971
That actually seems like a good way to combine practice with play.
Anonymous No.724815552 [Report]
>>724793690
>We need less artists, we need more tradesmen and craftsmen.
Retarded hylic ideology.
That is how you get soulless retards like Silicon Valley, or modern China or India.
Art is necessary for a society to have an actual value system backbone or sense of propriety.
It teaches you how to be a human and what it means to be a human.
All going to school to learn to weld does, is teach you how to weld. All going to become a programmer does, is teach you to program.
If you don't have an actual education and some experience with art and instead have a bugman life dedicated to becoming a good worker bee, then you're never going to be a full human that understands himself or others.

When Richard Garriot (Lord British) was working on the Ultima series, he had an issue: people called video games vulgar slop without any artistic value. That for all the work that went in, they were just obscene junk full of violence and immorality. This was the mid 80s, and this was a pretty mainstream view.
He disagreed with this, he'd dedicated his life to pioneering the Western RPG format and was offended at their claims and also wanted to prove that a game could be genuinely artistic and avoid obscenity and still be interesting.
His issue was that he realized that he didn't know anything about art or philosophy or much more than basic fantasy tropes he pilfered from D&D and Tolkien and Star Trek. He'd spent his life learning programming and computer engineering, and nothing more.
So he spent almost a full year just teaching himself as much as he could about world religion and philosophy in order to write a game that focused on really immersing the player in understanding virtues and ethics and why they mattered, and he sought out a way to encompass the meaning of most of the worlds' major religions in one system.

The end product of this was Ultima 4 and its sequels, which are the real foundation for Western RPGs.
Fallout 1 and 2 might as well be Ultima spinoffs.
Anonymous No.724815964 [Report]
>>724795821
Post your home.
Anonymous No.724816006 [Report]
>>724793690
>We need less artists, we need more tradesmen and craftsmen.
Tradesmen and Craftsmen ARE artists, or rather they were until everything become soulless corposloppa
Anonymous No.724816090 [Report]
>>724793132
and there are amazing frameworks too,
like hero's journey
Anonymous No.724816408 [Report]
>>724813657
I didn't ask how, I asked why.
Anonymous No.724816496 [Report]
>>724794669
based romance novel anon, i am ashamed to admit but the only novel i have actually read completely is chick romance novel, called catch a mate by gena showalter
Anonymous No.724816680 [Report]
>>724793960
We dont have a shortage as long as you're cool with illegals getting all the work.
Anonymous No.724816812 [Report]
>>724813203
this is just telling me you have very low standards for literature

>>724813229
what do the opinions of other people have to do with objective quality
Anonymous No.724817067 [Report]
>>724813203
>since you have all the knowledge to put to good use from the internet for free from people that did it before you
did you think about how this could be applied even more to video games before posting
Anonymous No.724817274 [Report]
I always wanted to write a science fiction story, probably not a full book though. I have a loose collection of concepts and ideas but not nearly enough to make anything coherent.
I probably wouldn't try to fill it out into a book, though. At most, if I thought it was REALLY good, I might post it on /lit/ or something for other people to give me reviews on.
Anonymous No.724817589 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
How would you know if nobody will read it if you don't write it, though? Assuming you publish it, that is.
Anonymous No.724819310 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
SHUT YOUR BITCH ASS UP

JUST MAKE THE DAMN GAME YOU WANT TO MAKE FAGGOTS
Anonymous No.724820337 [Report]
>>724792958
Yeah, I'm trans as well
Anonymous No.724820442 [Report]
>>724793128
I boughted it like a year ago though
Anonymous No.724820534 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
I hate fiction literature.
Anonymous No.724820638 [Report]
>>724796112
I wrote over a million words in one word doc once and opening it would take about thirty seconds, and the scroll bar won't work properly, but being able to jump back 20 chapters just through the header tab was extremely useful.
Anonymous No.724820667 [Report]
>>724792958
Neat!
Anonymous No.724821105 [Report] >>724821535
>>724793132
If writing a book is so easy how come steam is full of slop made by third worlders but third worlders never write books?
Anonymous No.724821173 [Report] >>724828965
I would write books but I'm constantly afraid of having to deal with real criticism, so instead I anonymously post my stories as fanfiction.
Half the time it's just an original work with some names and places changes, other half of the time it's legitimate fanfiction.
Of my two ongoing projects, one is a character study inspired by drifter culture in the 70s and the supposed dead of 9/11 (the people who found out that they were listed as confirmed dead during the chaos). This is obviously a non-fanfiction work, but I've restructured its general themes and its main characters to work in the universe of Resident Evil, with the main character being a Steve Burnside who didn't die at the end of Code Veronica, and his struggles in the aftermath of Resident Evil 5 after he escaped in the confusion of Wesker's downfall.

My other project is pure fanfiction though. It's a Dragon Ball Z timeloop narrative about Son Gohan after his death in the future timeline, where he has to contend with how seemingly insignificant changes ripple out and cause immense backlashes. The first loop is him being unable to wrestle the Raditz fight into having his father die, and thus forcing Gohan to reveal more and more about his true self than he would like to, and it seems like a positive loop, until he makes the mistake of killing Dodoria on Namek, and not destroying the body. A fun fanfiction thing I put in there was that Dodoria's race 'poisoned' planets with lots of sun and greenery, and after a few hours there's no way to stop a planet from literally rotting away. This results in his first bad end, with Gohan dying on Namek, not knowing what he even did wrong.
It's not all edge though. One of the loops I'm workshopping is him being discovered by Tullece due to an early mishap, and then going on pirate adventures in space, and the ultimate conclusion will be toxically optimistic.
Anonymous No.724821535 [Report]
>>724821105
Look on Amazon. Believe me they do.
Anonymous No.724821675 [Report] >>724821758 >>724821867 >>724821896 >>724821958 >>724822517 >>724826727
Can't win if you don't play, but you also can't win unless you're secretly queer, disabled, and aboriginal Australian. For books anyways, vidya still has a shot
Anonymous No.724821758 [Report] >>724823561
>>724821675
>but you also can't win unless you're secretly queer, disabled, and aboriginal Australian. For books anyways, vidya still has a shot
You realize you can still anonymously publish write.
You can just make up a name and have your forwards be purposefully vague.

Anyways, this is retarded since the most popular author of the past decade has been a big fat white mormon.
Anonymous No.724821867 [Report]
>>724821675
That's literally exactly the opposite. The most popular books right now are written by whites and the most popular indie games have trannies on their staff.
Anonymous No.724821885 [Report] >>724822210 >>724822556 >>724825138 >>724827649 >>724828085 >>724828519
This thread has proven that /v/ will never make it past the refusal, and even if they did, they would never escape.
Anonymous No.724821896 [Report]
>>724821675
Webnovels are the future for mercenary authors. You can't make it anymore in traditional publishing period. Learn to write wish-fulfillment isekai slop and you can join the people earning 2-60k monthly.
Anonymous No.724821951 [Report]
>>724793128
Ask any leftslop
Anonymous No.724821958 [Report]
>>724821675
Those damn quadraplegic gay abbos ruining my literature
Anonymous No.724822020 [Report]
>>724793132
>You can't learn a programming language by playing videogames.
Yeah but you can learn programming by making a videogame. (you don't need to release it)
Anonymous No.724822160 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
>want to write a book
>dont want to read a book
>dont want to write a book I dont want to read
Such is life
That is why I haven't written a book

Also the printing press is owned by the-
Anonymous No.724822192 [Report] >>724822605 >>724824271 >>724825465
>>724793132
It's easy to write a book, but it is far more difficult to write literature than it is to make a game.
Games are primarily feel based as a medium. Once you learn how to program, it becomes more about game feel, which only requires experience in other games and a bit of autism.

The majority of people here could not articulate what makes good literature, as proven by your own post.
Anonymous No.724822210 [Report] >>724822294
>>724821885
This doesn't apply to me, I'm not schizophrenic and therefore I know all the horrible shit that happens in the world is just a biproduct or direct result of normal humans being stupid or evil.
Anonymous No.724822294 [Report] >>724822574
>>724822210
>stuck in the Refusal
>denies that he's stuck in the Refusal
Anonymous No.724822341 [Report]
Yeah, writing a book is fun.
Until you have to proofread it again.
Anonymous No.724822517 [Report] >>724822679
>>724821675
Larry Fink is personally going to hunt you down if you put an attractive girl or white male MC in your game
Anonymous No.724822556 [Report] >>724822863
>>724821885
Im at 10.5
Anonymous No.724822574 [Report] >>724822768
>>724822294
I'm not refusing anything, I'm just a normal non-schizophrenic that observes the world around him and reinforces this with fact and substantiation to create a concrete opinion about the state of the world.
Haven't seen any demons, ghosts, aliens, or goblins. Just a bunch of fucking dickheads and criminals trying to fuck everyone else over for their own personal gain; a very common human trait.
Anonymous No.724822605 [Report]
>>724822192
>That pic
My sides
Anonymous No.724822679 [Report]
>>724822517
the fact that he's still alive is a travesty
Anonymous No.724822761 [Report] >>724825925
>>724792881 (OP)
I make youtube videos / video games even though no one watches them (actually 10 subs) / plays them (0 patrons). But sometimes /v/ watches the videos when I post them here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPjgVH91ckw
Anonymous No.724822768 [Report] >>724822923
>>724822574
>Haven't seen any demons, ghosts, aliens, or goblins. Just a bunch of fucking dickheads and criminals trying to fuck everyone else over for their own personal gain; a very common human trait.
You may want to reread the chart and recognize that you are describing the Refusal.
Anonymous No.724822863 [Report] >>724823252
>>724822556
At 11 you must take a designated shit on Julius Evola
Anonymous No.724822923 [Report]
>>724822768
Sorry, I don't believe in nonsense that I can't perceive myself, and no, I'm not going to take it on faith.
Anonymous No.724823096 [Report]
>>724793690
>we need more tradesmen and craftsmen
>we're not gonna pay you a decent wage though lmao
Anonymous No.724823252 [Report]
>>724822863
At 12 you read F Gardner
Anonymous No.724823327 [Report] >>724829346
>>724792881 (OP)
Judaism has never been so good as this game
Anonymous No.724823458 [Report] >>724829936
>>724812536
I disagreed with what you said but I wish you luck with your game. What is it about?
Anonymous No.724823561 [Report]
>>724821758
I get reminded of the whole "Only an idiot would take something seriously on 4chan" with the demoralization messaging here, or leddit, or any social media. Literally any move other than just wallowing in suffering is what they will advocate against
Anonymous No.724823727 [Report] >>724825030
>>724792958
I wrote a buncha scripts for a YouTube channel that I never expected to actually make, then I ended up just recording them and uploading them and I’m somehow up to 300k subs and now my yt has become this therapeutic thing I do to help with my PTSD. I went from spending nights alone just crying to having this outlet that not only helps me not be alone, but also that I channel my mental schizo breakdowns into creatively.
Anonymous No.724824086 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
Just write a VN and make billions with NTR slop + AI
Anonymous No.724824159 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
Most people don't have the writing abilities to write a book.
They can't construct coherent thoughts into sentences or focus on subjects to save their life.
Anonymous No.724824271 [Report] >>724824506 >>724825925
>>724822192
It's not just being able to articulate yourself but it's also about making your story feel cohesive and nuanced. You also need to understand how to structure your stories and know what tools you want to use to make it interesting.
It's why you see a lot of "writers" limit themselves to world-building because they can't figure out how to write a character with personality.
Anonymous No.724824348 [Report]
>>724793365
Sounds like you need an idea guy to lead you, give you focus.

Just sayin'.
Idea guy.
Anonymous No.724824506 [Report]
>>724824271
>because they can't figure out how to write a character with personality.
Or they just have several different flavors of themselves with personalities that are angry self, sad self, etc.
Lol.
Anonymous No.724825030 [Report] >>724826475
>>724823727
Editing videos seems hard to me.
Anonymous No.724825138 [Report]
>>724821885
im at 2 and yeah, guess ill never get past it, oh well.
Anonymous No.724825465 [Report] >>724825583 >>724826697
>>724822192
>, but it is far more difficult to write literature than it is to make a game
Absolutely not, there are far more talented writers than talented solo devs like Casey Muratori and that's with the current CS and vidya boom
Anonymous No.724825583 [Report]
>>724825465
Then where the fuck are they? They sure as shit don't write for games, movies, or shows.
Anonymous No.724825725 [Report]
>>724813370
Is that your best example? Really?
Anonymous No.724825925 [Report] >>724827050 >>724828434
>>724824271
Worldbuilding is also a refuge because it allows for autistic encyclopediac procrastination. I can suffer it myself, but I really ruffle feathers when I say on 4chan that setting needs to serve story, story doesn't serve setting. There is a very limited exception when you get to something like warhammer 40k or SCP. The former survives terrible atrocious storytelling because people got invested in the setting, the latter has products actually appeal to people because of the setting. But the latter also hobbles itself by being a group opt-in experiment instead of a one author product, and either also profited off being the first in their kind.

All I know is when I've written endless encyclopedizing gets me nowhere, but once I get a good plot hook rolling the momentum goes faster and faster. It's why I prefer to see worldbuilding more as laying the broadest possible outline and then fill in as necessary: Figure out material in sprints. To use a gayreek metaphor too many start writing the Iliad and end up writing Herodotus, instead of just fucking writing the Iliad.

Wait the iliad is full of pointless monologuing about locations and people who don't matter. Okay, it's not writing the Odyssey but instead writing Herodotus. I like the Iliad but like 60% is meeting a jobber, hearing his story, then he instagibs to someone who instagibs to a favorite character

>>724822761
Good work. It's rewarding to be creative. We're meant to be creative, we're one of the relatively few animals to do so alongside songbirds and beavers. Whether or not its financially successful, so long as we get some rewarding joy from the experience it's worthwhile. Course if you can make big DOSH then that's great.
Anonymous No.724826475 [Report]
>>724825030
It's also a bitch on the computer itself
Anonymous No.724826697 [Report] >>724827709
>>724825465
You likely believe the likes of Sanderson are unique talents, rather than the "rougelike indie RPG" or writing.
Anonymous No.724826727 [Report] >>724827079
>>724821675
Less tw*tter and more meds for you, Anon.
Anonymous No.724826794 [Report]
>>724810356
>No one gives a shit
so there's no reason to release it then, glad we could agree
Anonymous No.724826895 [Report]
>>724810356
this guy is hopelessly inerred to the judeo-protestant world order he cannot conceive someone doing something privately for themselves
Anonymous No.724827004 [Report]
>>724810356
>give me things for free that have nothing to do with me
anon, i'm afraid YOU are the kike here
Anonymous No.724827050 [Report]
>>724825925
>Good work.
T-thanks. I do enjoy making these, but success would be nice too.
Anonymous No.724827079 [Report]
>>724826727
And how many times have you queried nowrite?
Anonymous No.724827389 [Report] >>724827775
A book could just be personal reflections, something to think and have some fun with. I dunno, a game is so relatively complex and time consuming I'd imagine it would be pretty painful to generate no interest, no matter what you tell yourself that's it's just a passion project.
Anonymous No.724827649 [Report] >>724828180
>>724821885
Considering how much you guys rather rant about trannies being mentally ill than talk about bideo gaems, you sure seem to eat this /schizo/ shit right up. I'm really not sure how much of it is shitposting bantz and how many of you are school shooters in the making?
Anonymous No.724827709 [Report]
>>724826697
Sanderson is good but ONLY because he writes the mormon equivalent of chuuni slop, he is a shit writer.
Anonymous No.724827775 [Report]
>>724827389
Games don't have to be a monumental years-long undertaking with professional-grade assets and hundreds of man-hours of coding, optimization, and marketing. There are plenty of examples of people who just make games as a hobby like that one finnish guy with the survival game.
Anonymous No.724827789 [Report]
>>724801845
If you don't want to write a book or a comic you can always create a tabletop game. Look at Trench Crusade, there's no "source material" like a novel or anything, it's just worldbuilding, factions and characters. There are plenty of rulesets that you can use or copy and modify.
Anonymous No.724827883 [Report] >>724828008
>>724793132
There are a decent amount of programming tutor videogames actually
Some of them are even decent
Anonymous No.724827964 [Report]
>>724793387
Mine is only at 18k anon
You'll get there
Anonymous No.724827986 [Report] >>724828082
>>724810356
Have you heard of a guy called Henry Darger?
Anonymous No.724828008 [Report]
>>724827883
Examples? I've been in the mood to learn something new. I play a lot of Factorio and people tell me it's a half-step toward learning real programming.
Anonymous No.724828082 [Report] >>724828376
>>724827986
Yeah, they sang that song Flagpole Sitta.
Anonymous No.724828085 [Report]
>>724821885
Somewhat at 3. Also, is supernatural supposed to be /x/ shit like fae, time travel and shit?
Anonymous No.724828180 [Report]
>>724827649
Hate trannies
Simple as
Anonymous No.724828229 [Report]
>>724807456
You can't be this retarded, the screenshot you posted literally explains what collaboration is.
If someone demands money upfront it's not collaboration, it's you contracting some random guy online to 3d model some shit.
Anonymous No.724828376 [Report] >>724831356
>>724828082
You're thinking of Chelsea Dagger, by Henry and the Hendersons.
He's talking about Harry Dillinger, the guy that made the pocket guns.
Anonymous No.724828434 [Report] >>724829016
>>724825925
I don't think there's anything wrong with worldbuilding but it's an easy trap to fall in. I also think it's easier to worldbuild since you're mostly have to worry about making sure everything feels connected and grounded with each other. It's good to use it as a baseline framework and then add more details to it because it'll streamline the process of writing believable characters who actually has a place in their world.
>There is a very limited exception when you get to something like warhammer 40k or SCP
With SCP I feel like it's a double edged sword because there's no canon which makes it a creative sandbox for writers to do anything what they want. It also makes SCP feel bloated and inconsistent nowadays. It's jarring to read an article that's well written and then the next SCP below it involves a power ranger MTF group destroying a patophysical reality shifter anomaly because the Foundation has infinite resources, foresight, and technological prowess. A decent chunk of the long-form SCP articles either fall into purple prose or jargon.
Anonymous No.724828519 [Report]
>>724821885
At 17 you read Rich Dad Poor Dad
Anonymous No.724828965 [Report] >>724829183
>>724821173
got a link to that dbz one? sounds interesting
Anonymous No.724829016 [Report] >>724831039
>>724828434
Definitely it's not a bad thing - Sanderson I hear goes hogwild on it and people like him. It's just an easy trap to become addicted to. And yeah, the tragedy of SCP is that nobody could actually take the good original material and make something commercial with it. Frankly I've come around to hating the high fantasy antedilluvian civilization story that I used to like, and loath the accompanying Sarkic and other shit because among other things it robs the mystery (I remember when the flesh that hates was just an anomalous horror now I am fairly sure it's tied to that dumb shit) and I like the Exploring Series guy's youtube narrations and my god your brain blurs over when it's more cryptic cultist ZALGO HE COMES shit.

At the same time someone would say the same of my flowery writing if they read it a lot. And there's the tale of that Tolkien friend who went
>OH FUCK, NOT ANOTHER ELF
When Christopher tolkien was narrating the story. So anything can get tiresome with time.

Still think that cultist shit needs to chill out. SCP was at its peak when it was impersonal bureaucratic science, not lovecraftian.
Anonymous No.724829183 [Report]
>>724828965
It's being workshopped, probably won't be done until december, wherein I start posting three chapters a week.
Anonymous No.724829278 [Report]
>>724806954
maybe he was simply not trying hard enough
Anonymous No.724829346 [Report]
>>724823327
why don't games have sincere plots anymore? it's always gotta be some philosophic shit then you fight an angel then god these days
Anonymous No.724829379 [Report]
>>724794669
I write a meandering webnovel-esque thing while waiting for my job's 30 year old IT infrastructure to whirr up to life every time I want to do anything.

I have no real intention to share it with anybody and hold no particular delusions about the overall quality of it, but going back and rereading some sequences I think I wrote particularly well makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

It's like 400 pages now of size 14 font

It's a nobledark sci-fi isekai inspired by Blame! and Accel World, with very mild litrpg elements
Anonymous No.724829419 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
this kid looks 12. I'm not listening to a 12 year old. but yes I will make a game.
Anonymous No.724829474 [Report]
>>724793132
Anon, most English lit majors can't even properly read and comprehend the introduction to The Bleak House anymore. They misunderstand it to the point of labelling concepts as characters. Knowing how to write is not a low bar for the youth.
Anonymous No.724829495 [Report] >>724829603 >>724829761
I wrote a book but no one wanted to publish it.
Anonymous No.724829553 [Report] >>724829603 >>724829967
Anonymous No.724829581 [Report]
>>724792881 (OP)
I'm, but as usual my megalomania takes over so I need to write a book for my book
Anonymous No.724829603 [Report]
>>724829495
There's a kind of mad poetry to it, and I'm not even being ironic.

>>724829553
Less so in this one.
Anonymous No.724829625 [Report]
Anonymous No.724829661 [Report]
>>724793132
>Writing a shitty book
Then yeah
Anonymous No.724829749 [Report]
>>724793387
The single most important thing is that you keep going, no matter how slowly
Anonymous No.724829756 [Report]
>>724793387
based writebro
I have a document at 129k words right now that stalled really bad; I wrote an entire 20k side story since stopping and still have not gone back to it yet. Shit's real hard.
Anonymous No.724829761 [Report] >>724829809 >>724829979
>>724829495
I like the restraint of calling them darkies for exactly one half of a sentence.
I remember seeing this years ago, do you have the full copypasta with people doing the math on what percentage of the book is just the word nigger?
Anonymous No.724829809 [Report] >>724829979
>>724829761
I wish I had it all or more. iirc 1/5 the words in the book were "nigger"
Anonymous No.724829864 [Report]
>>724801945
Because you look at the trees and not the forest
Create a skeleton first
Some central characters
Don't force plots onto them unless that's what they want to achieve or you build their personality in such a manner that your desired outcome is literally the most obvious one
But that's the hardest way to write so not sure if giving you these advices would help
Anonymous No.724829936 [Report] >>724831130
>>724823458
Hunt, with day night cycle, kinda was inspired by voices of the void so I want to do event situation mb with a little puzzle mystery..
Anonymous No.724829941 [Report]
>>724810356
this is quite possibly the most jewish post I've ever read
Anonymous No.724829967 [Report]
>>724829553
Literally art
Anonymous No.724829979 [Report] >>724830802
>>724829761
>>724829809
I got you
Anonymous No.724830140 [Report]
Being creative but needing 0 external validation is the best, you just have fun making things and never deal with anything troublesome.
Anonymous No.724830424 [Report] >>724830554
VNbros, we are all going to make it.
Anonymous No.724830554 [Report] >>724830901 >>724831705
>>724830424
Reminder to all you to MAKE BACKUPS
RIGHT FUCKING NOW

PHYSICAL AND CLOUD
MORE THAN ONE.

Dont have to be autistic I'd say 2 backups is suitable, or say cloud and physical for redundancy.
Anonymous No.724830802 [Report]
>>724829979
niggernotions is entering my daily vocabulary
Anonymous No.724830901 [Report] >>724831604
>>724830554
Don't you worry, I have it locally in two places plus gitgud.io and google drive.
Too many of my friends have been burned from data loss so I'm very careful.
Anonymous No.724831039 [Report] >>724831604 >>724831679
>>724829016
My biggest gripe so far with SCP is how concepts that were scary and special are now trivial and run-of-the-mill. I'll be reading a world-ending SCP and then all of that is undone because
>lol we'll just use Class FAG amnestics globally
>oh we'll just reset things via SCP-2000
I remember reading SCP 2713 ten years feeling like it was unique and actually dangerous but now it's just feels like another monster of the week. SCP feels grandiose almost to a point it feels like I'm reading some cartoon and the signs were already there when people were making OC donut steel SCPs back during the lolfoundation days. Restraint is the last thing I'll describe SCP as a whole.
>So anything can get tiresome with time.
Even if it's not flowery writing, sometimes it's better to not explain everything and let certain parts of your story vague or mysterious. Look at the Silmarillion for example, even Tolkien mentions that it can diminish the mysterious allure that LOTR and The Hobbit evokes. It depends on how you look at it though.
Anonymous No.724831130 [Report] >>724833246
>>724829936
So imagine Voices of the void but you're dealing with spooky stuff in the middle of bumfuck nowhere? Any link?
Anonymous No.724831356 [Report]
>>724828376
No, that's the guy from Night Court.
You're thinking of Hennessey Dangerfield: Attorney at Law.
Anonymous No.724831604 [Report]
>>724830901
I did get a bit arrogantly spooked that google would harvest my stuff for AI teaching (as if I have enough for that to matter, lol) but I'm going to put it on a mega.nz later. I have two external HDDs, I think one an SSD, for that reason. Frankly data is cheaper and cheaper to backup so in the future I might full on have a third I put in a bank vault for 'house burn down' protection.

>>724831039
For vidya topicness, someone was complaining (Rightfully) how XIV has ruined the mystery of the world by over-explaining. And yeah, the rot was in the foundation :^) from the get go with Cain and Abel, I only like the inversion of the usual pairing. Frankly, aside of shepherd bias on the part of the Hebrews I never got why the farmer would kill the shepherd when judging from modern history I see the shepherding nomad type being much more violent (RSF and all). Feels more like romanticism of the pastoral way of life when it inherently requires predation on someone else's territory.

I take solace in that like with anything perverted and twisted from the original golden concept it is said fundamentals that fundamentalists in the future always return to. Lovecraft country is forgotten in less than a decade, people in 2230 will still be revisiting Lovecraft. What SCP will survive in another 10 years is the OG crew (unless they removed peanut's picture which I am fairly sure they did, rip) and a few of the newer concepts that struck a chord with people.
Anonymous No.724831679 [Report]
>>724831039
I like the antimemetics division stuff, almost everything else is hit or miss with modern SCP.
Anonymous No.724831705 [Report]
>>724830554
I did the most budget thing I could and just emailed myself the current document periodically.
I also have an HDD backup.
Anonymous No.724831972 [Report]
>>724813203
>writing a good book is easier since you have all the knowledge to put to good use from the internet for free from people that did it before you.
unfortunately that's not how that works, 19th century literature was the best humanity achieved and it's been all downhill since
the 21st century has been a disaster for storytelling
Anonymous No.724833246 [Report]
>>724831130
Forest Hunt. https://share.google/6yDVQ1PeyUrcnZTxW