Thread 724889804

Someone please tell me I'm not crazy, or explain why I'm wrong. I don't fucking get what the difference is.

tranny shit

Mental illness

>>724889804 (OP)
chud don't get it because they not quirky like us...

>>724889804 (OP)
who cares

>caring about fanbase
You should stick for /v/ threads for a week after new chapter. Thats it.

>>724889804 (OP)
Fuck both cases. Singular they is bad grammar, non-binary is mental illness.

>>724889804 (OP)
The mentally ill are defined by their detachment from reality. Don't waste time trying to map common sense to their perceptions.

>>724889804 (OP)
When i played undertale back in the day i thought the sort of tumblr/reddit autism dialogue was endearing
It is far less endearing over a decade later written by the same manchild trying to be incredibly serious

>>724889804 (OP)
The art has been coopted from the artist by the legion. Simple as.

>>724889804 (OP)
Apparently this game is called Frisk and is openly globohomo

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Woke_Content_Detector/curation/app/391540/

>>724890036
I agree with you, but there's a Devil's advocate argument I want help navigating around;
>if the fnabase has the power to affect and influence the products going forward, how can I not treat that as a threat to the quality?
Do you know of the "TF2's artstyle is dead" topic with workshop creators just throeing whstever meme hats they can into the game? Ultimately it's the creator's desicion to allow or write things a certain way, so there will be owness on the creator, but that doesn't excuse the impact the fans influencing the creator have as well.

>>724890257
*Undertale
typo

>>724889804 (OP)
>fanbase generally agrees
Who, cares?

Kris leans more male but I still believe they were designed to be an androgynous character like Frisk. I doubt anyone really cares if you call him a he unless you're being an absolute chud about it.

>>724889804 (OP)
Frisk is either male or female in-universe. It depends on the player's gender. While Kris is non-binary in-universe and that isn't dependent on anything. Non-binaryism is retarded tranny bullshit, but the difference is pretty obvious

>>724890423
>absolute chud
Stop using reddit tranny terminology.

>>724890478
Non binary is not a real thing no matter what Universe you make it up in
Tranny apologia is disgusting

>>724890478
Okay but WHY do fans insist Kris is literally non-binary in-universe but they do not think the same for Frisk, how are the 2 situations not exactly the motherfucking same

>>724890631
Yeah but it's a real thing to them so the difference is obvious to them. There's nothing to be confused about

>>724890723
Stop validating their delusions. Thinking something is real doesnt make it real

>>724890556
It's a word with a meaning. If you weren't one it wouldn't bother you.

>>724890706
Because the entire theme of Deltarune is that it's a deconstruction of an RPG where there's a schism between the player and the player character. Kris doesn't WANT to be controlled by you, he's his own person, and that's reflected in him having a set gender, as opposed to Frisk, who is a conventional RPG hero blank slate self-insert for the player

>>724890834
It means “Im a mentally ill tranny faggot and I NEED someone to use my pronouns correctly or you hurt my feefees”
I deeply hate these people and their lingo. Its disgusting, weak, and just another way for them to impose their slave morality on us normal people.

>>724890839
nigger did you even play undertale? it's the same thing there. the soul and frisk and two separate things.

>person thinks Carol doesn’t like Susie because she is le homophobe
>also has not a word to say about what Carol pushing Kris and Noelle together implies
Five. Hundred. He/Him Pronouns.

Frisk and Kris are generally use them for the same but opposite reasons.
Frisk is mostly a blank slate for you to project onto
Kris is a seemingly blank slate and it's supposed to make it feel awkward when contrasting that Kris is a fairly defined character but is referred to in the same way as Frisk is.
Tumblr reading secondaries missed the memo on this.

>>724889804 (OP)
Actual tumblrina troon game. The return of Homestuck cancer.

>>724889804 (OP)
they'd be pulling the exact same shit if it was the other way around and undertale came out now, it is simply a sign of the shift in the times

>>724890990
I don't remember Frisk actively rebelling against and hating the soul as much as Kris though. Idk it's been 10 fucking years

Since we are on the topic, what I hate about trannies the most is how weak and pathetic there are. Theyre mentally ill, annoying sure, but worst of all theyre weak. And they want to impose their weakness on others. Its disgusting and evil

>>724890478
>While Kris is non-binary in-universe
There's nothing in the game to support that. One thing that I believe may play a role in this perception is that Kris has more of a character than Frisk. Frisk is more of a blank slate that does what the player commands them to do. While Kris is more independent, therefore potentially making the fact he's referred to as "they" in the game less about giving the player a way to self-insert, and more about something that has to do with the character himself. But a reason for doing that besides the "unspecified for self-insert purposes" thing also may be that he's two entities: a vessel (cage) and a soul. It's not straightforward.

>>724889804 (OP)
Frisk is a girl. Kris as a guy. It doesn't seem like that's hard to notice.

>>724891183
Epic video-game discussion

>>724889804 (OP)
>fanbase generally agrees
Irrelevant delusion, ignore.

>>724889804 (OP)
what is with the fucking weird ass vitriolic discourse toby fox's and only toby fox's games cause? I've seen a whole ass debate on this game over something about rape and whether or not you should internalise yourself as the character or as you controlling frisk and what the moral implications are
Like what the fuck

>>724891183
performatively hating trans people doesn't make you seem manly it makes you seem like a weak insecure bitch who's acting tough exaggeratedly because he can't get laid. probably cuz you are.

>>724889804 (OP)
this is not a game, its a story wrapped in a walking mechanic and moving a heart in a box

I don't see Kris a girl at all. Just an edgy weirdo kid with long hair

>>724891283
Le wholesome chungus shit like Undertale attracts the most zealous and self-righteous of terminally online autists. Always guaranteed to have the worst fandoms. Just look at bronies and Steven Universe fans

>>724891103
>Homestuck will never get a real game expanding on that time when you controlled John/Dave
It sucks..

>>724889804 (OP)
Kris is a boy and it's genuine mental illness to think otherwise. Everything about the way he is presented is male.

>>724891406
>it's not a game if you intentionally ignore the gameplay

>>724891242
Sorry we’re discussing serious topics in your bait tranny shitpost. Do you need a tissue?

>>724891357
Wow good one with the “No sex LOL” bit. No, its not just trannies, i hate weak people in general. Trannies are just some of the weakest(and most annoying) people in the world.

I want a darwinist society. Survival of the fittest. Nature will take care of everything else.

>>724891571
Yeah, you should be sorry that you're "discussing" (i.e. ranting to literally no one) off-topic tranny shit on what's supposed to be a board about video-games

>>724891571
>serious topics
you're on /v/ having a meltie about trannies in a thread about a 10 year old indie game. you are not a serious person.

>>724891571
>i hate weak people in general.
>I want a darwinist society

It's always weak people who say this. Literally every single time without fail

>>724891638
>supposed to be a board about video-games
Actually this is a board about political activism and fighting the leftists. If you don't like it then take it up with the admin.

>>724890706
Because Undertale came out in 2015 while the internet was still somewhat salvageable while Deltarune came out after the total tranny takeover of fanbases, simple as

>>724891034
>Shared a room with older brother Asriel, right up until he left for college.
This should've been the nail in the coffin from the word go.

>>724889804 (OP)
frisk is a borderline non character, nobody really gives a shit how she's referred to as since frisk is an active self insert character
kris, on the other hand, is very explicitly a character with a role in the story, but many people were fooled by toby's bait and switch and are are still seething about it 7 years later
while kris is referred to they/ them in game, not a line of text actually calls kris non binary, this is a myth perpetuated by a certain subsection of the fanbase militantly
despite this, most fans see kris as male, despite the enforced they/ them, although i have noticed an increase in people thinking of kris as female in recent months

Who fucking cares. Either play the game or don't. Culture war shit is as tired as cape shit at this point

>>724891283
actual discussion threads get targeted by janny, these retarded bait ones generally tend to last
there is a pretty high chance that op just wants to talk about the game and used the op as a way to not get nuked

>>724891993
I'm sorry but no, /v/ is not your blog to rant about what's grinding your gears today. At least maintain the fucking pretense of staying on-topic, or get banned. And appealing to authority doesn't work on 4chan. According to Moot, this is an anime site. So why aren't you talking about anime?

>>724891571
>>724891183

This is exactly what people are talking about when they say every accusation by conservatives is a confession. You people are very opaque about how insecure and weak you are. Your intimidation shit and your hatred doesn't actually convince anyone you're a tough guy, all you're doing is making it obvious to everyone how shitty, annoying, and pathetic you are

>>724889804 (OP)
Undertale was made and became popular before the troonist plague.
Deltarune is still being made and the troonist plague is in full swing.

It's as simple as that.

>>724889804 (OP)
I thought it was they/them because the player is canonically a separate person controlling the same body

>>724891169
The headcanon that Frisk is also being guided by the player, but is just totally fine with it in most scenarios besides trying to pick soda or walk up to the creepy bathroom, is fun though.

>>724892225
since the game consistently uses they/them for Kris throughout all dialogue and narration, what specific in-game context would imply that those pronouns aren't meant to reflect their identity? & if Frisk is purely a self-insert, how do you account for the moments where their actions and reactions seem to carry distinct narrative weight beyond player choice?

>>724892323
Not really anymore. So long as the op isn't OMG DOE RAPE it's fine

>>724892330
>according to moot
The guy who sold the website? Who cares.

>>724892557
I honestly think it'd be pretty neat if I had a voice in my head directing my actions. As long as they didn't tell me to unreasonable shit of course

>>724892505
Trannies were absolutely a thing before Undertale, it just wasn't the main right wing media talking point yet.

>>724892567
until we get kris' actual opinion on the matter, everything else is null
there are a ton of different reasons for why kris could be going as they/ them, with the simplest being that it's just how humans are referred to as in toby's games and it doesn't mean anything

>>724892515
I hope this gets brought up. Everyone who called Kris 'they' knows about the soul.

>>724892601
So if GrapeApe resigned tomorrow, all of a sudden your absurd appeal to authority is invalid and you'd start using the site properly, right? No? You're gonna use /v/ as your personal political blog no matter what excuse is available or not? Alright, got it, enjoy the many vacations you'll be facing in your future

>>724889804 (OP)
Frisk - Female
Chara - Female
Kris - Male.
I get that Deltarune threads are dying but there's no need for ANOTHER gender bait thread. Sometimes moving on is okay.

>>724892656
>Think I'm schizophrenic.
>Am actually the vessel for some Nth dimensional being playing their equivalent of a video game.

>>724892817
Technically Susie didn't know about it or question it until Chapter 4

>>724890478
Frisk's gender has nothing to do with the player's gender. A character can be ambiguous and NOT be a self-insert.

>>724892783
>it's just how humans are referred to as in toby's games and it doesn't mean anything
This is the actual answer. Every human has an ambiguous gender, even chara. It doesn't matter what you call them.

>>724889804 (OP)
One is a child the other is teen age. Teenagers are more autistic and retarded about gender shit when most people can agree that when they were kids gender shit was not important to what being a child was about u less they were molested by an uncle or aunt.

Kris is biologically male. Brothers and sisters do not share a bedroom.

Kris is a they for two reasons: he experienced some serious trauma at a young age, and 70% of the fanbase are mentally ill freaks.

>>724892956
I mean, that's the way 99% of RPGs are, and Undertale is supposed to be an homage to the genre. Maybe I'm projecting onto Toby Fox here but I assumed that was always the agreed upon interpretation

>>724892656
The question then becomes, if you have the power to rewind time at will, does anything you do truly count as "wasting time"? You're basically in free-roam fuck-about mode until you get bored.

I'm straight and I've jerked off to Kris, therefore Kris is female

>>724892676
You mean they didn't become a protected class yet.

>>724889804 (OP)
Frisk got away with the they/them shit on account of being a vaguely human-shaped blob so the ambiguity worked. Kris, even while having just a marginally more detailed sprite, is very obviously a boy and everyone at least implicitly sees him as a boy even if they don't want to admit it. As a result people have to be extra militant about his pronouns and pushing the idea that he's nonbinary.

>>724892323
Janny hasn't deleted threads in months. I just assume it's because all other normal threads got archived in less than 30 posts.

>>724893136
Toby subverted that trope at the very end of Undertale's true pacifist route by having Frisk have their own name and their own life. It's the prototype for Kris.

>>724893221
...because right wing politics convinced their base that they're a problem that needs to be eliminated.

It's not that Undertale was made before the troon plague, it's that they had zero awareness of the project until after its release, so they did not influence the writing or development at all.
Sadly not so with Deltarune.
Never forget that /v/ were Toby's original fans.

>>724889804 (OP)
I played undertale twice and I have no idea who these characters are. The fan base is retarded and fucking annoying

>>724889804 (OP)
They're the same picture: a subversive, deconstructivist, post-modernist oikophobe with autogynephilic and zoophilic tendencies making a character (a child character, no less) that's meant to affirm the tenets of gender ideology, in a game where the overall message is that monsters (even after a distinction between "good ones" and "bad ones" is made) should be afforded sympathy.

>>724889804 (OP)
I don't want to be cruel to people who are experiencing very real alienation from themselves and their bodies. It's like being cruel to an anorexic.
But in the same vein, I can't endorse solipsist gender theory. It makes those problems worse, not better.

People are growing up believing that the social roles they're born into are uniquely and hideously onerous to them, and correspondingly, the opposite social role is much more desirable.

Young men can't express themselves or complain that they're getting left behind by the world as they get driven into social isolation.

Young women feel like they're powerless, like they won't be taken seriously, and that they'll be ostracized for not playing by arbitrary social rules.

They feel like these things that they hate about their lives are inherently baked into the nature of being male or female. So they take up with a system of belief that tells them they can discard the onerous things and claim the things they're jealous of, and get to feel supported by a community and embody what they see as a righteous cause at the same time..

But it's the philosophy that makes them feel better, not the actual change, and that philosophy is fragile and subjective. The jealousy doesn't go away.

I want people to stop poisoning themselves and building their self esteem on such a fragile basis.

I've seen normal people with moderate opinions turn into fragile messes with radical political beliefs because of this. I've seen people ruin themselves and regret it deeply. I've seen people insist upon things that are obviously and indefensibly untrue because they need that delusion to maintain their self esteem.

I want it to stop.
I'll never call them names.
I'll never claim they're doing it out of some insidious propaganda effort.
I'll never claim that they're a lost cause.
I want people to stop mistaking fleeting feelings of belonging and purpose for long term happiness.

>>724892160
>Shared a room with older brother
Is that supposed to mean anything?

>>724893461
>Never forget that /v/ were Toby's original fans.
Idk man. I immediately clocked Undertale as Homestuck tumblr bullshit the moment I saw it. /v/ is full of faggots so maybe it's true that they were the OG Undertale fans, but that's nothing to be proud of

>>724889804 (OP)
They're literally ME. Why don't you get it?

Literally EVERY person I know who likes this game is a fag or a tranny
EVERY person I know.

>>724893636
/v/ was obsessed with the demo back in 2015 I remember vividly

>>724890478
Kris is not non binary in universe. Otherwise creatures who don't know Kris would misgender due to lack of knowledge, yet both enemies and strangers know his pronouns.

Its actually an in game meta knowledge that suppose to just replace he/she. Like in some games, the story take place in 20XX but its not like the calendars will literally show "20XX" printed on it, its just a replacement for a more accurate year.

This halloween these two trannies at my university did a deltarune cosplay and one of them dressed up like kris. so cringe. Wish i took a picture of these faggots.

>>724893779
Don't be so hard on yourself.

>>724893779
name them all

>>724893779
I'm straight, White Polish and right wing and i like the game. 90% of the appeal is a very good OST and HMOFA focus

>>724893830
>Otherwise creatures who don't know Kris would misgender due to lack of knowledge, yet both enemies and strangers know his pronouns.
That's how all tranny characters work in fiction though. Every character just intrinsically knows their special snowflake pronouns even though, realistically, there would be assumptions. If there's misgendering, it's always an antagonist doing it deliberately as a way of villainizing them

>>724893828
Evidently you don't remember that vividly because it was 2013, but fair mistake to make.

>>724894003
I only discovered the game because people were still obsessing over the demo a few months before release

>>724893878
You wish I was a tranny like you huh?

>>724893898
I wont name them but theyre a total of 5 people and 2 of them are in my college dorm.

>>724893947
There's also "straight white right-wing men" who like getting fucked in the ass by trannies. Hypocrisy is a thing

>>724889804 (OP)
Both are male.
Bottom text.

>>724894057
Okay

>>724894063
lmao mad

>>724893621
It's an american thing, usually brothers and sisters sleep in different rooms. It's a superstition, something about boys peeping on their sisters.

Kris and Frisk are non-binary for the same reason they're yellow. You aren't supposed to project whatever race you choose onto them. You're meant to understand they do not have a real-world analogous race.

>>724889804 (OP)
>I don't get what the difference is
I don't get what you don't get. You literally explained the difference

Im not transphobic but I definitely have tranny fatigue. 1% of the population my ass. Feels like 10%.

>>724890706
Because Kris is a deconstruction of the choose-your-own-character idea. You are meant to initially see them as a vessel to do your bidding, before slowly growing to understand over the course of the game that they're a unique person with a backstory, desires, motivations, and everything that existed far before you ever showed up to yank them around. Frisk has no such desires, possibly because they're generally more submissive or possibly because the relationship between the soul and the character is different in Undertale. but that's the text of Deltarune

>>724894325
That's because you spend all of your time on the internet. Try actually going outside.

>>724894325
That's the point.
Right wing media chooses a boogieman or underclass and hypes them up to no end so they seem like a huge problem that they can solve by getting voted in.

I'm waiting for them to turn on furries, mark my words.

>>724893947
>and HMOFA focus
This isn't the focus of neither games.

>>724894273
I got this.

>>724889804 (OP)
By refusing to respect Kris' gender, you are literally genociding us.

>>724889804 (OP)
>Pronouns, gender spectrum shit
>Sexual orientation, LGBT+++++ stuff
>Any perceived "sexualization" or fanservice elements (especially relative to character ages, or at least whatever vague age range people think a character fits into)
>Deranged shipfaggotry and any other self-insert romances, to the point of being the lasting legacy of way too many IPs after the finally end
>Female characters in general prompting more extreme reactions from people
Is there any other sex-based shitstorm material (things that consistently derail actual discussion of any given piece of media) that I should be aware of as a would-be creator? Final time I'm asking this, I promise

>>724894559
Turn... on... furries?? You mean the trannies of the 2000s?

>>724894495
>possibly because the relationship between the soul and the character is different in Undertale.
It's this. The conflict in Undertale isn't about the protagonist and their SOUL, but the main character of the game versus the TRUE character that represents RPGs. Aka Frisk and Chara. Frisk is Mario the man while Chara is Mario the idea.

>>724894624
Entire game is constant choice between Deer and Dino girlfriend. Its like Dispatch but with monster girls

>>724894759
NTR. I would honestly argue NTRschizos (as in, people who see NTR where there is none) are more deranged and thread-ruining than any other thing you listed

>>724894793
This isn't true, you don't chose between the deer and dino once in the game, outside of the Weird Route having you rape Noelle versus watching her and Susie inside a closet.

>>724893461
>/v/ were [Robert]'s original fans
>>724894003
>2013
Small wonder, then, that we lost to his kind in 2014.

>>724894759
literally just make a good game and people will forgive anything, left or right. even the most fervent tranny haters in this thread still gave their $20 to Toby Fox

>>724894760
Yes. I'm waiting for fox news to educate boomer normies on furry porn and how they're coming for their kids.
We already had a bit of this with the litterbox thing.

>>724894759
Depending on your audience, sexual assault subtext

>>724894970
>we
wtf do you mean "we" you weren't even there

>>724894559
>I'm waiting for them to turn on furries
Same. Autozoophiles, like all sexual degenerates, have no place in a principled movement.

>>724894865
Game keep track of your choices regarding Noelle or Susie, gifts, dates and picking dialog options that show deeper interest in one of them

>>724894995
>even the most fervent tranny haters in this thread still gave their $20 to Toby Fox
I didn't. I haven't played either game. I watched some of a playthrough of Deltarune. Honestly the only reason I click on these threads is because I watch a lot of Kris porn

>>724890631
Mentally ill parasites scapegoat trans people to explain why they are unemployed virgins

>>724895049
You're right; (You) lost while I was holding steadfast against them for over a decade.

>>724895114
Male or female?

>>724895104
It does the same about Ralsei and Berdly, too. In fact Kris can directly invite Berdly to the festival unlike with Susie and Noelle.

>>724894970
>Small wonder, then, that we lost to his kind in 2014.
Jokes on you dumbass, I got banned during the gamergate purges too.

>>724895142
how do you say shit like this and not understand that being new means that you're the invader?

>>724895171
Exclusively male

>>724889886
Fpbp

>>724895118
>Mentally ill parasites scapegoat mentally ill parasites
Makes sense, they are all oikophobes at the end of the day.
>>724895265
>being new
>implying

Why do hateful assholes who love picking on and bullying minority groups never attack the ONE minority group that would be justified, satisfying, and actually helpful (the rich)?

>>724895353
Failing to recognize the reality of transgenderism is the only mental illness

>>724894970
>his kind
what are you on about?

When will Oikophobefag take one for the team and defeat Yagipedo?

>>724895353
You just said that you were new >>724895142

>>724889804 (OP)
Nobody in Undertale knows Frisk.
Kris is called "they" by people who've known them since childhood

>>724895435
Because they are selfish assholes who wish to one day be that rich predator raping children and selling slaves. Every right winger projects their own impulses onto the scapegoats they blame while enacting their own crimes.

>>724889804 (OP)
While Frisk might be confused with a female Kris literally looks like a guy

>>724895456
>transgenderism is [...] mental illness
Yes.
>>724895482
People who have been glad-handing ghouls while their ghoulish masks have been slowly falling off.
>>724895516
>You just said that you were new
Where?
>post
Doesn't say that.

>>724895697
Fascism is mental illness for which the cure is hanging

>>724895614
>Monsters are so bad at understanding humans, they can't tell what gender they are even after knowing them their entire lives.

>>724895435
The rich have too much power, so much so that it may be likened to making dissenters cease to exist.

>>724895697
>>724895049
>you weren't even there
>>724895142
>You're right

>Frisk/Chara?
Girls
>Kris?
Boy

>>724894759
If you have to ask - you shouldn't be making your game, because you have shit taste.

A good artist understands that anything and everything ever described must serve the narrative, otherwise it should be cut from it. On that basis, the artist adds or removes elements according to his vision.

If you're willing to derail your vision because someone might say something weird about it in a thread on the Swiss knife tuning forum - you're a shit artist.

If you're willing to add these elements because you have a narcissistic message to push and not because they will enhance the narrative (example off the top of my head, the gay mobster in House MD actually served the narrative of his case's episode) - you're a shit artist.

If you're a shit artist - don't pollute the world with your garbage. Reddit-spaced because you seem like the kinda guy whose brain would short-circuit without it.

>>724895745
>the human reaction to widespread cultural illness is an illness
How original.
>>724895813
I should've known my sarcastic remarks would be twisted against me...
>DUURRRR PWETENDIN' TUH BE WETAWDID
Like that, yes.

>>724894995
I didn't. I didn't even buy Undertale. Undertale was a subpar game with maybe ONE redeeming quality, and Deltarune ep 1 was uninteresting start to finish.

>>724895697
Toby has never been a troon or left wing activist his entire life

Kris is a CYOOOOOT girl

>>724895901
It’s always hilarious to see people who never create anything try to shoehorn bigotry into art theory because they get triggered by what artists actually have to say

>>724889804 (OP)
Frisk is a non character with a non human name. Kris is a teenager with red eyes carries a knife around that liked to scare a girl he grew up with and wants to fuck (flirts with) everything in existence and blushes when a girl compliments him on that, same girl that wanted to see his secret porn mag btw. Literally everything clocks him as a dude but the internet is a wildly different and worse place even a decade later and a militant section of the fanbase who lived the edgy teenage boy experience get uncomfortable by all of that so they pretend that Kris is a whatever and gang up on anyone that calls a spade a spade.

Both are boys because it suits my porn preference

>>724895290
Fag.

>>724895435
We talk shit on the jews all the time, retard, where have you been the past 2 decades?

>>724895998
>crossdressing
>donating to a communist terror organization in 2020
Wrong on both counts.

>>724895953
You Nazi cunts are going to be hanged and dumped in mass graves

>>724895435
This website loves attacking jews, though?

>>724892160
THEY
DON’T
HAVE
A
SPARE
ROOM

>>724896027
>It’s always hilarious to see people who never create anything try to shoehorn bigotry into art theory because they get triggered by what artists actually have to say

>>724896037
Kris isn't attractive in any other form. I've never liked genderbends, they just feel wrong

>>724895505
This is technically both an Undertale and Deltarune thread, so I don't think that schizo will be here. They only post on exclusive Deltarune threads because they hate Undertale.

>>724896084
>communists win
>dump nazi chuds in mass graves
>immediately after get put up against the wall and dumped in mass graves
a tale as old as time, too bad none of us will be there to lol about it

>>724895435
Rich people aren't a minority. If the government doesn't finagle the economy too much anyone can be rich. Meanwhile, those in power (the government and rich cronies) have pushed transgender causes because they create a hyperpolitical group of footsoldiers. Authoritarianism benefits from making people deny reality because people no longer are capable of discerning what's real.
>>724895975
What was that redeeming quality? Personally I think liking Undertale comes down to taste.

>>724895234
Berdly is a joke route that leads to the same ending as trying to not pick any of the girls and keep neutral or push for Suselle. Ralsei is a token gay route that only fujo will pick

>>724893549
>solipsist gender theory
Gender identity in practice is mostly how a person wants other people to see and treat them. It's a social thing, there's nothing solipsist about it.
>People are growing up believing that the social roles they're born into are uniquely and hideously onerous to them
Social roles are so ingrained into society that nobody will see significant change in them during their lifetimes. What makes wanting to leave those roles so horrible for you?
>Young men can't express themselves
>Young women feel like they're powerless
These are separate issues from having a trans identity, but are still related to the problems with social norms linked to gender roles
>baked into the nature of being male or female
They're baked into being seen/treated as male or female
>But it's the philosophy that makes them feel better, not the actual change
Being treated in a way that feels right and intuitive makes them happy

>>724896068
>>724896095
You retards realize you're helping shield the rich by obsessing over da jews, right?
It's not Elon, Trump, or Bezos ruining our lives, it's some imaginary Mr. Goldburg pulling the strings.

>>724896141
We really need this edited as Kratos doing this shit

>>724896183
>Nazis win
>basement dwellers are sent to concentration camps to do slave labor until death
The best part is you parasites are all dead men walking no matter which way history swings and I will be around to laugh as you’re fed into the meat grinder

Kris is male coded

>>724889804 (OP)
>hate mainline fandom due to them constantly bitching about kris’ gender
>go to 4chan
>it’s just retards constantly bitching about kris’ gender
Jesus Christ I don’t CARE what you identify kris or any of the other humans as but can you PLEASE stop ranting about it 24/7

>>724896071
a lot of people got bamboozled in 2020, if he was actually a leftoid activist at his core the most recent fundraiser would have been for Palestine action or some shit and not MSF

>>724896193
The redeeming quality is the way it conveys villainy. The genocide route does a good job at conveying the monstrous nature of the player's actions, making it feel downright alien in its deliberate cruelty. Even with how shitty the character writing is, in the vacuum of a genocide run these characters can become compelling, even if for a minute tops, like Undyne, who is an insufferable cunt otherwise. It's a proper villain experience.

>>724896295
No see it’s based when white people are child raping dictators because one day I might pull myself up by my bootstraps and have a child bride and slaves of my own

>>724896017
>using the trans Berdly artist as evidence

>>724896304
>you must support one of these two authoritarian nightmare ideologies
how about no? I don't want "Nazis" or commies to take power.

>>724889804 (OP)
Because Deltarune literally starts with a "your choices don't matter" which made people think it wasn't a choose-your-own-gender scenario

>>724896442
>Toby looking at trans Berdly art

>>724896374
Janny that hates the game doesnt sleep till 11 so it's bitch about trannies mode until then

>>724896525
Only Nazis give a fuck about communists as if they’re some cosmic force of evil. That’s literally part of the Nazi propaganda that was imported along with the Paperclip Nazis to make the postwar Red Scare. When you rant about commies you’re just signaling your allegiance to Nazism, no one else cares about commies like that.

>>724896295
>helping
Nothing ever happens, you slacktivist moron. People in power will stay in power and you will not change it.
>imaginary Mr. Goldburg
You've been given plenty of chances to see Mr Goldburg's very physical traces. I'm not about to give you le sorse for the 6th millionth time only for you to seethe and cope about it until the next thread comes.

>>724896119
no it's impossible
asriel has zero self control and will inevitably rape kris the second the two of them are left alone in their childhood bedroom the second he hits puberty

>>724893947
You have a grindr account, closeted conservetard

>>724896671
I think the 100 million people who were murdered by communism in the 20th century may dislike communism a little bit too

>>724896374
The game is bad, good posters won't play it, therefore no good discussion will be taking place here, or anywhere else. You're a fool for hoping for a different outcome, because the outcome you're imagining is not a part of reality.

>>724896671
The retards have truly.

>>724896671
Bro an open Communist is about to win the mayoral election of NYC.
Use whatever words you want, Marxists are actively seeking to take power in the west and it will lead to an authoritarian nightmare state if they do.
As for "Nazis" I have never run into any of them ouitside of online spaces like /pol/

>>724896767
You’re just regurgitating fascist propaganda. You’re a fascist.

>>724896413
That's fair. Some games have broken the fourth wall in this way but the way Undertale was "meta" was very unique for the time. Deltarune seems to be going in a similar direction so I'm optimistic.
>>724896671
Lmao
This is the same sort of person who'll claim that Antifa is not an organization and has nothing to do with left-wing ideology.

>>724896084
>>724896304
>Nazi
Yes, anything that isn't Gay Race Communism must be indistinguishable from [losing side of the last liberal victory, 80 years ago].
>>724896404
>bamboozled
Charitable. Undeservingly so, I would say.
>motorcycle safety
Right, he's a safetyist; firmly under the ghoul umbrella of post-"Enlightenment" thought.
>>724896525
>>you must support one of these two authoritarian nightmare ideologies
Only one can be called a nightmare by a rational mind; the other is only being mentioned because of a strawman so old that there's a descriptive law of the internet written about it.
>>724896671
>as if they’re some cosmic force of evil
No, just the most recent incarnation of the one that took over the world.

>>724896810
Did all those Ukrainians and Poles just go on vacation and never come back?

>>724896801
>get voted in by the people
>take power
you are the Nazi, you’re a hysterical fascist bitch

>>724896241
I can't wait for Chapter 5 and shipping autism killing these threads.

>>724896810
If communism didn't kill 100 million, then Hitler didn't kill 6 million

>>724896891
Hitler was voted into power lol it doesn't mean shit, it's what they plan to do once in power that does

>>724890040
>Singular they is bad grammar
Regardless of your opinion on non binaries. There is nothing wrong with singular they

>>724896862
>That's fair. Some games have broken the fourth wall in this way but the way Undertale was "meta" was very unique for the time. Deltarune seems to be going in a similar direction so I'm optimistic.
The meta elements of genocide were the worst part of it. The ending was shit and ruined the whole thing. It's strictly within the context of the world and the player character's action within it that Genocide had good concepts. The things you do, the way others react to you, what they think about you, how they struggle against you, etc.

>>724896875
What do you think of adolf hitler?

>>724896891
Hitler was also voted in

>>724896671
It sure is something to see the same people talk about how evil communism is are totally fine with bombing hospitals and schools and starving babies to death, really makes one think

The benefit of a schizo thread like this is that it will hit bump limit extremely quickly, solving its own problem

>>724896875
Using a buzzword string like gay race communism just confirms that you have standard Nazi views on social issues. You’re an evil piece of shit that deserves to be shot through the neck and everyone knows it. That’s why you have no friends, that’s why your family hates you. Everyone recognizes you as a hypocritical parasite who blames everyone else for your incompetence and stupidity.

>>724896374
Other Deltarune threads were dead so I guess OP went for a bait OP just so people would discuss it.

>>724896875
>Charitable. Undeservingly so, I would say.
Maybe but I choose to have grace with Toby because I think he has a good heart

>sperging about real world politics now
Well it was fun while it lasted

>>724896959
>I will prove I’m not a Nazi by doing Holocaust denial!
Okay lol

>>724897034
Which just goes to show democracy fails when your country becomes too stupid

>>724897003
Not him but only if it properly refers to a person of ambiguous sex. Someone anonymous or someone hypothetical. Calling someone you know is a lad or a lass "they" is cringe faggotry. >inb4 but muh Shakespea-
Thou doth not speaketh that dialect any longer, thou scoundrel.

>>724897163
Denying the deaths of 100 million is worse than denying the deaths of 6 million. Pretty obvious, right?
>almost NKVD
Damn

>>724897037
They consider communism evil because it gives people the power to resist those abuses and they are selfish demons who love profiting from exploitation and genocide. When their reaction to the loss of abortion rights was “your body my choice,” it should have been more than clear that every right winger is a violent predator. They are the true parasites in society who contribute nothing but crime and corruption.

>>724897137
Sometimes it's okay to take a break from constant threads. Remember the moral of Chapter 3 and Tenna.

>>724889804 (OP)
Undertake was wildly popular to the point of some complete normalfags playing it and contrary to popular belief those people don't think about idpol at all. Or didn't, in any case as it also came out before it all popped off.

Deltarune on the other hand, while still a recognizable name, has seen nowhere near the same number of people playing it, and therefore has a modern and very terminally online base of fans.

>>724897295
You’re doing Holocaust denial, you’re a Nazi.

>/v/ has unironic hysterical /leftypol/ posters now
you should have gatekept harder, congrats

>>724897437
>no argument

>>724897471
I don’t need to make an argument, you’re declaring yourself to be a Nazi by doing Holocaust denial.

>>724897513
>no argument

>>724897546
You proved my point by declaring yourself to be a Nazi

>>724889804 (OP)
Undertale came out when all that craziness hadn't become so widespread yet. Deltarune came out years later when it had. That's the only difference.

>>724897464
>everyone to the left of hitler is a communist

The NSDAP party has been defunct and buried for 80 years, why can't leftoids find a better descriptor for people they disagree with?

well since i am stronger than all of the other communists in the thread i think they are not communist enough, and in fact are capitalists in disguise
they deserve to be humiliated and sent to re-education for being capitalist pig traitors
my first law as chairman is to execute the capitalist traitors and my second is to say that kris dreemurr is actually female
my third law is to abolish communism because it's just a dogshit plutocracy with some names changed around

>>724896671
Keep pushing that pendulum boy.

>>724897653
>I think Stalin and Mao did nothing wrong. How dare you call me a communist though!!

>>724897653
who are you quoting?

>>724897660
>>724897696
What is your opinion on adolf hitler?

>>724897661
>my second is to say that kris dreemurr is actually female
I will have you and everyone in your regime publicly hanged

The nazi bitches know perfectly well Trump can't keep power forever despite his blatant efforts to fuck shit up (he's not competent enough). Plus he's old. When he dies or whatever you know you people are all fucked, that's why the nazi fuckers panic so much. you know thi isn't gonna last.

new nuremberg trial dedicated to this corrupt-ass orange bitch and his retarded followers are coming, tick tock bitch

>>724897683
>nooo you’re forcing me to be a Nazi stop calling me out for choosing to be a bigoted parasite
Cry more and get ready to be hanged, Nazi cunt

>>724897737
He's some guy that's been dead for 80+ years, why are you obsessed with him?

>>724897778
I'll never side with authoritarianism. Not theirs and not yours.

>>724897737
Adolf Hitler (body-count: 6 million) is the third most evil person to live, behind Stalin (28 million) and Mao (50 million)

>>724897661
Kris (Female) wouldn't say this.

>>724897660
It's not that they can't, it's that they have the exact same psych profile as a religious zealot, and nazis are the greatest evil they can think of. If these people were christian, they'd be comparing everything to satan. The names change, but the basic premise stays the same.

>>724897765
>DDDRRUUUUMPFFFF
the mask had to come off eventually, you're just malding over orange man and all your other posting is just a shitfit

>>724897765
That’s exactly why they had to fake such an outrage tantrum over Kirk execution celebrations and jokes. They know they’re a few bad days away from populist mobs dragging them out of mommy’s basement and beating them to death.

>>724897798
Why do you keep avoiding the question?

>>724897843
Netanyahu is worse than hitler desu but probably not the other 2

>>724897919
I told you my opinion, I have no opinion because I don't think about him ever in my day to day life

>>724897831
Do you think anyone buys this fake centrism when every other word out of your mouth is regurgitating fascist propaganda?
No, we’ve seen you fascist animals lying like this over and over and over. It’s totally useless, except that the talking points you NPCs all use from your echo chamber let everyone else know exactly what you are.

>>724898003
It's not centrism, I radically support liberty.

>>724898034
You radically regurgitate the talking points from a Nazi echo chamber

>>724897981
>i know the german abbreviation of his party b-but i dont know anything else or have any opinion ok
lol

>>724897086
>Using a buzzword string like gay race communism just confirms that you have standard Nazi views on social issues.
You're making the Nazis sound good, y'know.
>>724897125
>I think he has a good heart
And that's how ghouls convince people to turn a blind eye to their ghoulishness; their alleged "good heart" always sees them making the same "errors" in the same direction.
>>724897181
>democracy fails when the fickle masses vote for the guy who says he'll solve all the problems
>not like me, of course; I only vote for the people who actually WILL solve all the problems!

>>724889804 (OP)
Trannies just got more crazy over time
Also another thing to consider is that Kris is meant to explicitly not to align with the player as a plot point, while Frisk was significantly more like a blank slate
Regardless of this difference, it's still pandering and doesn't appeal to me at all

So is this guy actually a hysterical caricature or is it a false flag to make everyone that is wary of unregulated capitalism look insane?

>>724898198
It's a false flag. No one actually talks like that, he's make it too obvious

>>724898149
Nazism always sounds good for selfish demons like you. You were never going to choose to be a good person. You’re not pressured into being edgy by leftists, you just refuse to be a good person because abusing others is more fun and profitable.

>>724897831
>I'll never side with authoritarianism.

For decade we've had to listen to you right-wing fuckwits obsess about the government and if it ever dared to get authoritarian you'd get out your guns and protect this country. Turns out you never gave a fuck, you don't actually care as long as it's YOUR little dictator in power

Traitors to america, all of you. you are fake patriots

>>724898110
You are threatening murder of people in a thread because you perceive them as nazis based on sentence long interactions and you deny that your position is authoritarian and evil?

What fun.

>>724896291
Gender identity is not something distinct from your biology. It's not possible for someone to be born in the wrong body.
Your genes determine which physiological role your body takes through the differentiation of structures that create gametes and influence your hormone balance. Those influence the development of your brain.
The world really exists, our brains are not arbitrary masses hallucinating completely different things to one another. People are male or female on a biological level, and only a fleeting few are exceptions due to serious genetic anomaly. If you don't belong to one of those unusual groups. You're one or the other.

Every transgender person I speak to talks about how they feel jealous of the things they perceive the other gender as being socially entitled to. Trans women telling me they felt like they didn't have a place as a boy because they weren't willing to be a stoic sucking up their problems and enduring abuse from others and being denied praise and attention just for being a boy while girls never had to deal with any of those problems.
Trans men have told me they felt powerless and beholden to the desires of others as girls. Completely unable to direct their own choices and their own lives, while they saw boys living carefree and without criticism by comparison.

Every transgender person I talk to always tells me they experience dysphoria as something similar to feeling like their skin doesn't fit on their body, that they're disgusted by what they see.

Exactly the same things that sufferers of other self image disorders experience.

I've read dozens of longitudinal studies, neuroscience research, hormone studies, etc.
And none of it makes it look any less like a self image disorder.

And we don't treat those by indulging the maladaptive self image. We treat them by helping the person live in the body they were born in. Anything else is chasing an inherently maladaptive ideal.

>>724898302
Libertarians mean “the liberty to own slaves and sell child brides” when they talk about liberty lol

>>724898270
>demons
Stop appropriating words from religions you have nothing but scorn for, you godless Sodomite

>>724898302
I hate the Trump administration though. Try again. What type of strawman will you build next?

>>724889886
/thread

>>724889804 (OP)
Kris straight up is not a self-insert for the player and the game beats on your head over and over and over again that he is not.

Kris isn't non-binary though, he's just androgynous and you can decide what gender he is for yourself. Not once is he referred to as non-binary, they/them are not non-binary pronouns. They're ambiguous pronouns. You can refer to a explicit guy as a "they" and that doesn't mean that they're nonbinary.
It's kinda like Najimi Osana from Komi-san (dogshit manga btw, just a good example)

Kris is whatever you want him to be. I chose for him to be male because that's just what I see him as. (Hence why I refer to him as a guy)

>>724898321
Doesn’t take more than a sentence to identify all of you. You all talk exactly like every other Nazi piece of shit, including the Holocaust denial. Everyone recognizes you pieces of shit instantly nowadays because you gloat outside your echo chamber so exposure to your speech patterns is at an all time high.

>>724898270
>Nazism always sounds good for selfish demons
So why don't (You) love it?
>You’re not pressured into being edgy by leftists
No, I'm pressured into being sane after recognizing centuries of leftist control of the West.
>buhhh, da west diddun---
Anti-Monarchism is leftist by definition.
>>724898034
>I radically support liberty
Exhibit A.

>>724892857
BEYOND BASED

>>724889886
many such cases

>>724896718
Toriel is a religious Mom who freaked out over Asriel kissing another girl.

>>724898505
>Exhibit A
Yes. Fuck monarchs.

>>724896374
its the shitposter who claims to hate humanfags from last thread

>>724889804 (OP)
Fanbases are shit, news at 11

>>724898395
Stop appropriating daimones then, you pedophile motherfucker. Remember, Jesus was arrested and executed because he pimped out young boys. That’s why Christian priests are still raping kids to this day. In fact, that’s the ritual for casting out a daimon of sexuality to create a slave. The real apostolic succession is pederast to victim, victim to pederast, pederast to victim.

>>724898505
You aren’t sane at all, you’re just another lying fascist demon regurgitating propaganda

>>724894759
Just make your game bro.

>>724893010
>when anon very unsubtly vocalizes awkward projections that have nothing to do with the topic and tell a lot about himself outta nowhere
yikes

>>724898761
Greek daimons are not comparable to Christian demons. Daimons were simply tutelary deities and other miscellaneous nature spirits. Christian demons are fallen angels.
>Jesus was arrested and executed because he pimped out young boys
I hope Hell is real just so people like you can burn in it

>>724895435
I hate rich people and all the other minorities though.
Especially jews, they're like two in one.

>>724898656
Then you're a leftist, and will excuse leftist authority as you've done whenever you've sung the praises of Washington.
>>724898854
>fascist
We get it, your view of the world, history and philosophy is absent of anything from before 80 years ago, never mind 250 years...

>>724889804 (OP)
The case used to describe Frisk is no longer the case because the fanbase "grew up" and "felt remorse" for misinterpreting the "intended vision" of Frisk, which is revisionism retroactively applied to Frisk when Kris entered the picture and Kris actually conveyed the "this isn't meant to be your avatar, this is a character with their own attributes who you just so happen to control" idea that the Frisk Twist was supposed to convey, but didn't, because the only aspects about Frisk we know of definitively are "unfathomably determined and doesn't like soda."

>>724896017
I fucking hate this image and the people who spam it, it's not a good redesign

>>724899006
You have zero actual understanding of Greek metaphysics or the original biblical texts written in Greek. You are an illiterate, uneducated piece of shit who bases his views on shitposts on social media. When the pope says losers who only do this online have no real connection to the church, he’s talking about empty headed trash like you lol

>>724889804 (OP)
the difference is that frisk doesn't have a personality and is meant to be a blank slate self-insert character until the twist. Other characters in the game don't know frisk's gender, so neutral pronouns make sense.
kris is obviously a character with their own personality. Unlike frisk, kris has friends and family who have known them all their life. The fact that toriel uses neutral pronouns for kris indicates that this is kris' preference, and not a case of lack of knowledge.

>>724899148
Blame the fact Toby accidentally retweeted it on his main account, so now it's a holy relic.
The guy who made those resprites/redesigns is probably gonna get doxxed and nearly killed out of severe jealousy from a mentally ill freak who wishes they had validation from Toby, guarantee it.

>>724899061
You babble on about history but your views are just basic bitch neonazi garbage lol

>>724898491
This, which applies to literally every single they/them character in the series. Humans are just ambiguous in Tobyverse.

>>724899305
>neonazi
Is "Monarchy" even in your vocabulary?

>>724896017
Only Noelle looks okay, but for what fucking reason are all the colors faded out? How are you supposed to make out detail without being zoomed way the fuck in?

>>724898659
I don't think Yagifag is smart enough to make a thread like this.

>>724899339
That's a good point, not a single human in UT or DR has a defined gender, it's all ambiguous.

>>724899367
I don’t care what special snowflake lies you’ve come up with to hide behind since you’re never going to just admit to being a selfish parasite who loves profiting from exploitation

>>724899061
>Then you're a leftist, and will excuse leftist authority as you've done whenever you've sung the praises of Washington
More basless assumptions. Or is it just dishonesty? Authoritarians sure love both. You and the hysterical retard are one and the same. Enjoy squabbling with it.

>>724898136
>having knowledge of 20th century history makes you a Nazi

>>724899221
>no argument, just seething
I accept your concession

>>724899367
monarchy and a dictatorship are the exact same thing motherfucker

>>724889804 (OP)
Toby should just explain his intention clearly, because he surely knows it's controversial. The fact that he hasn't supports the idea that we, the fandom, can refer to Kris however we want.

>>724899098
Just because you think a twist wasn't done well doesn't mean it wasn't a thing.

>>724899659
Why would I need an argument when you flaunt a total misunderstanding of daimones and biblical texts? The definition you gave would get you laughed at by anyone outside of your twitter christofascist circlejerk.

>>724894204
Kris is clearly white though. He looks like a school shooter

>>724899816
I already accepted your concession, you didn't need to embarrass yourself further

>>724899761
It's just better to pretend the argument doesn't exist. Toby has surprisingly good PR sense, but then again he's been familiar with his audience for years and knows what to expect.

>not allowed
He Kris
She Kris

>>724899761
he's not going to immerse himself into the septic tank that is gender ideology, he's going to play coy like he always does

>>724899658
you said you weren't interested in that

>>724899905
Yes, you tried to signal victory after repeating Wikipedia’s definition because you have no real education or literacy

I still stand by the belief that Kris is only considered "they/them" because the DEVICE we're using to interface with Deltarune was only meant for a true blank slate vessel we were intended to self-insert with, but since our vessel was discarded and we were forced into Kris instead, the DEVICE thinks Kris is our vessel and is viewed as our self-insert, thus any mentions of gendered connotation that reach the text box are filtered and replaced with neutral terms. It's like how the DEVICE resets if you try to use Gaster's name, it's simply verboten, so it's not unfathomable that concretely gendering the player's vessel is a similarly verboten act.
If we ever do get our vessel back and are allowed to move from Kris to it, guarantee you we'll suddenly start seeing characters mentioning Kris by whatever pronouns are intended rather than keeping it vague, so vague that even "Kris is nonbinary" hasn't yet been confirmed beyond continued uses of they/themming that, again, could just be the DEVICE filter.

>>724900012
I never said I wasn't interested in history, you're having a schizo meltdown

>>724900018
And you're just repeating Gnostic heresies that were debunked over 1500 years ago lol

>>724900018
And what reputable academic circle says that Jesus was crucified for child sex abuse? Something more fringe and laughed-at than any fictitious "christofascist circlejerk" you're crying about, that's for sure

>>724900081
You study history but have no opinion on the historical events you study?

>>724900064
while that would be kino, at this point i think toby's just got an autistic habit of referring to all humans in his games as they/them.
see also: gerson's they/them magician wife from the UT anniversary stream.

>>724899497
>I don’t care
Got it, you're ignorant about what you're arguing against and proud of it.
>>724899568
>You and the hysterical retard are one and the same
>wahhh the heckin anti-Woke are just as bad as the Woke (except when it's the flavor of Woke that I've accepted my entire life)
>>724899726
Yes, Authority is Authority. The West has done a lot of work dressing up that fact, with the exception being when the Authority happens to agree with the "Enlightenment" agenda.

>>724900167
The same ones that don’t have such a silly understanding of daimones

>>724900210
Not really because it happened decades before I was born, so what's the use in obsessing over what if type shit?
You're really desperate for me to say I wish Hitler won or some shit like that and I'm not getting your obsession

>>724900271
I know exactly what you are because you repeat the exact same lies as every other fascist demon, that’s why your lies are totally uninteresting

>>724900318
So, the tranny Discord you use to groom kids with. I see. I apologize for doubting the credibility of you and your esteemed intellectual peers

Susie kinda acts way more masculine than Kris tbsqh falaman just saying

>>724900238
Eh, there's a lot of reasons the magician got they/themmed, but after he outright told us his favorite ship was Burgerpants X MTT Toxic Yaoi, I think Undertale Gerson's lover being ambiguous was Toby throwing a bone to the Gerson Yaoi crowd since he had a wife in Deltarune, and he knew damn good and well his appearance in Chapter 4 inspired a fuckload of homolust.

>>724900330
>i dont care about the thing that i study
that doesn't make sense. or are you gonna start pretending that you're german?

>>724900406
>you repeat the exact same lies as every other communist ghoul
So easy. The only difference is, mine's true.

>>724900530
who are you quoting lol?

>>724898640
toriel also thinks asriel is a golden boy who would never do anything wrong of his own volition
she's paranoid about him being corrupted by harlots, not the other way around

>>724900427
Go down to your uni’s classics department and give that definition of daimones. Get ready to be laughed at.

That’s another funny thing about right wingers, they absolutely refuse to learn real history and traditional culture despite making all sorts of claims about traditionalism. But like everything else with a right winger, it’s just a convenient lie to justify continuing to be an evil piece of shit.

>>724900614
It's both you idiot.
She's paranoid about him being tempted.
It's basic bitch paranoid religious mom shit.

>>724900534
Using communists as a scapegoat just confirms that you’re a fascist

>>724900642
Go to your uni and say Jesus was a child molester and see what they say.

>kris gives noelle the slightest bit of attention
>noelle immediately drops the lesbian bit and basically forgets susie even exists
What did Toby “I love yuri” Fox mean by this?

>>724895998
With how many gay characters and tranny shit he puts in his games, he's an honorary troon in my book

>>724900774
Mark 14:51-52
It’s right there in the text and everyone knows it

>>724900779
They were absolutely meant to be childhood sweethearts, just like how things were shaping up with Dess and Asriel, but the rift caused by the Dess Incident pulled them apart, even more so when it seems like Noelle getting involved in Dark World business more than necessary seems to be a very bad thing that Kris is trying to avoid (thus it necessitates him distancing from Noelle even more), at least going off of Ralsei's worries in the Weird Route.

>>724900720
>Using fascists as a scapegoat just confirms that you’re a communists
I can do this all evening, by the way.

>>724900956
But there’s nothing wrong with communism, only fascist demons say otherwise

>>724900779
It's stuff like this that makes it hard to take the potential romance between noelle and susie seriously. This bitch would drop susie instantly the moment kris even glances in her direction.

>>724900064
>for a true blank slate vessel we were intended to self-insert with,
Honestly I don't think the Vessel will be a blank slate despite literally having a blank face. I think whatever options will give them will have them have their own personality. Either that or it's just gameplay differences like the Thrash Machine.

>>724900913
There is literally no scholarly conversation on this that concludes child molestation lol

>>724900913
You must've cited the wrong verses

>>724897464
they've been here a while, its just been one long string of meltdowns since the election.

>>724901002
So according to you, 70% of humanity are fascist demons, because most people hate communism. I'm glad to be a fascist demon then

>>724901002
>stop using communism as a scapegoat!
>but, like, there's not wrong with it
>but I'm not a communist!
>but I can't name one bad thing about it
>but... y-y-you're just mean! you're an evil mean person and that means I win!!!!

>>724897464
>just gatekeep a public imageboard that multiple people use because it's one of the only places where you can be a racist bigot without getting instabanned across multiple platforms simultaneously, bro

>>724900779
ye of little faith
japan loves reverse traps

>>724901075
That’s because the “scholarly” explanations are con artist bullshit like Jesus mystically reviving a random child with his aura. Bible scholars from within Christianity are all liars and incompetents who don’t read Greek.

>>724889804 (OP)
>fanbase generally agrees
your first mistake was caring about the "fanbase"
your second mistake was not calling Frisk or Cuck whatever the FUCK you want whenever you wanted as the neuron fried past your mind

>>724901198
Yes. You are free to go back to your reddit hugbox.

>>724901183
Yeah, you’re a Nazi piece of shit who deserves to die. It’s obvious to everyone.

>>724901237
Oh, so NOW you're anti-intellectual and distrust mainstream academia. How convenient

>>724901237
Even among secular scholars there's nobody with any credibility talking about Jesus being a child molester lol
There's Schizo rambling about a million different things relating to the bible, you chose an odd one to fixate on

>>724900913
Are you illiterate? The romans did that, not Jesus.

>>724901341
I only trust those who can read Greek since that’s the language the texts are written in. People who can’t even give correct definitions of daimon don’t matter.

>>724901307
You're like 16 years old and wont do shit

>>724901307
>you're a Commie piece of shit who deserves to die. It's obvious to everyone

>>724900271
You're gonna have to go full gun-confiscation if you want monarchy to make a return

>>724900779
nice seeing my img flying around, will probably add more
here's another kino parallelism, shoulder touching

>>724901535
Okay. One recent event in particular made a very strong case for that...

>>724901441
You use "demon" in the Christian sense, as in a being of pure evil. But Greek daimons are not beings of pure evil, they're much more nuanced than that. So why aren't you adhering to your own standards? If you knew anything about Greek daimons, you'd know they aren't comparable to Christian demons

>>724901441
wait so what is your explanation for this then? you are the only person in the world who can read greek, and any academic who says otherwise is lying?

Tranny tumblrite indie game made by an actual rat tranny

>>724901412
The Romans executed Jesus with two other lestai because they instantly recognized him as a christed pederast pimp. Same reason they complain about “early” christians having agape feasts with orgies that include incest. That’s why the Romans said “early” christians were atheist subversives who threatened institutions of law and culture backed by polytheist temples.

>>724889804 (OP)
Frisk is a tutu-wearing female.
Kris is a moss-eating man.

>>724901307
>You’re an evil piece of shit that deserves to be shot through the neck and everyone knows it.
>It’s obvious to everyone.
>It’s right there in the text and everyone knows it
>Everyone recognizes you pieces of shit instantly nowadays
>all you're doing is making it obvious to everyone how shitty, annoying, and pathetic you are
You sure say "everyone" a lot

>>724901636
Molon labe.

>>724901642
I use it to trigger fascist snowflakes and then shame them for being posers with no real understanding of western civilization

>>724901771
Sounds like it never works

>>724901695
You're just making shit up lol, you have no scholarly backing for any of this, you're just a schizo shitposter

>>724901713
Am I supposed to pretend you aren’t friendless losers who are hated by your families?

>>724901642
>why aren't you adhering to your own standards?
Because communists, like all so-called "Enlightenment" so-called "thinkers," claim universal standards that they are magically exempt from.
>>724901732
Great, thanks.

>>724901695
The Talmud also says that Mary was a whore. You wouldn't happen to be Jewish would you?

>>724901873
You think there’s no scholarly backing for this because you have no clue how words like lestai and christ were used in Greek. You listen to con artists instead of people who read Greek.

I wonder how many posters in this thread are Indian Males LARPing.

>>724901964
Mary was a counterfeit oracle who was indeed sold/raffled off at the temple and then raped by Joseph. You do realize that Jesus being a son of a parthenos means a lot more than Mary being chaste, right? You know what a parthenos is and what a son of god is, right?

>>724902052
I believe this is the so-called "human chad(s)"

>>724902129
>Why yes, I am Jewish, how could you tell?
All I needed to know, thanks

I have 100% undeniable proof that toby fox is a child rapist. However I can't show any of you because the proof is in goshokotoba so unless any of you just happen to be japanese royalty you won't understand it.

Are the other "quirky pixel gay emotional indie 'JRPGS'" discussions like this too?

I think Toby just considers gender the least important aspect when creating a character.

>>724900779
Noelle’s meant to be a stand in for all the mentally ill tumblr chicks who played undertale. Take that for what you will

>>724897765
>The nazi bitches know perfectly well Trump can't keep power forever despite his blatant efforts to fuck shit up (he's not competent enough). Plus he's old. When he dies or whatever you know you people are all fucked, that's why the nazi fuckers panic so much. you know thi isn't gonna last.
>new nuremberg trial dedicated to this corrupt-ass orange bitch and his retarded followers are coming, tick tock bitch

>>724901924
Subhuman, there are more guns than people in this nation

>>724894495
This would almost be reasonable logic if gender or sexual orientation was ever brought up in any important capacity in UTDR, especially with humans. There isn’t even a single gendered human ever mentioned in UTDR, and queer characters are just queer without having it brought into conflict. Toby Fox just writing all his humans as ambiguously gendered seems so much more simple than this selective nonbinary-ness thing. And like, I don’t know why people act as though gender is this critical aspect to Kris’s character or Deltarune’s story. They could be a girl, boy, whatever, and all the themes and beats would’ve been the same for the most part.

>>724897884
I honestly don't know what you were expecting. A good faith argument? This is why you never give troons the benefit of the doubt once you've picked up on the pattern.

>>724902218
Your rabid Nazism is an excuse for you to refuse to learn what a parthenos really was and why Jesus is called a son of god, all of which are Indo-European concepts that were forced into the Levant by nomadic pirates and Hellenistic colonizers.

>>724891183
>>724891571
I agree! VVeakness is evil! Unlike us morally superior vvhites who desire to slaughter the weak.

>>724889804 (OP)
2015 vs 2018
I feel like something important may have happened around late 2016 that might've made people more agressive

>>724902262
most of the time no. Don't have any clue whats go them riled up like this other than election day in the states tomorrow

>>724901695
Hell is waiting for you if you don't repent.

>>724901707
kris wears cute ribbons and has dainty princess hands

>>724902189
I thought you avoided Undertale threads.

>ralsei is a sissy femboy
>is a depressed nihilist who’s probably going to die
>noelle is a stereotypical girly girl
>has entire route where she gets psychologically tortured and raped
Toby hates femmine people

jesus christ, what a derailment

>>724902605
Okay, yes I guess it is.

>>724902437
He first and foremost claimed to be the Mashiach, the fulfilment of Old Testament prophecy.
You can blame Greek writers all you want, but Jesus's claims were very in line with the Jewish Scriptures

>>724890839
>Kris doesn't WANT to be controlled by you, they're their own person, and that's reflected in them having a set gender, as opposed to Frisk, who is a conventional RPG hero blank slate self-insert for the player
Fixed that for you.

>>724902703
Can you leave, then? This thread is already shit enough.

Kris is The Girl and also Patience

>>724902438
Those Muslims immigrants are ruining our communities by bringing their sharia law that prevents us superior aryans from taking loliwives to breed in the kitchen while yelling out the window at our plantation slaves.

>>724902537
You christofacists get so mad when the truth about your child rape cult gets exposed because you all wanted to claim a place in the hierarchy of rape. This is hell, you’re the demons.

>>724902843
>Muslims being against loliwives and slavery
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>724902780
Not sure who you think I am retard, but I wasn't planning on staying.

>>724902693
Did you know that there's a line in chapter 2 that says that spamton fucks kids? It's only in the greek version of the game but it's there.

>>724902941
Excellent. What about the accusations?
>>724898659

>>724902336
We'll only take guns from ghouls, not people.
You're not a ghoul, are you?

>>724902727
There’s no such thing as Jewish scripture. The OT was first written in Greek in the 3rd century BCE in Alexandria. The myth about translation and codification of Hebrew oral tradition is a total lie, the Greek text is scientifically complex and uses precise language relating to drugs and metaphysics with direct parallel to texts in the PGM, Orphic materials, poets, physicians and philosophers. When Moses endorses the raising up of a bronze serpent on a stick so that all those who look at it can be healed, that is a recycling of the Greek medical cult tradition rather than a representation of the real Yahwehist tradition native to Palestine. It’s not magic or a miracle, it is the symbol of a hospital we still use today. The Abrahamic cults are fake intrusions into history; the OT cultism itself didn’t overtake polytheist native religion until the Hasmonean takeover. Data on diets from human remains confirms that the infamous restrictions weren’t followed on a mass scale (some regional dietary restrictions had been followed for thousands of years by that point as well) until that takeover. That’s when symbols like the menorah appear.

Jesus is an individual follower of that fundamentalist movement, a drug using pederast pimp, although his choice of focusing on boys is somewhat personal considering the Abrahamic cults also had no problems enslaving girls to use as defiled parthenos. Perhaps it was his mother’s situation that made the son of the parthenos prefer doing it to boys.

>>724891357
Nothing performative about it. I would personally press the "kill all troons" button without thinking twice. Hell, id do the regular fags too while I'm at it. We should bring back stonings.

>>724889804 (OP)
It's one thing to be the kind of person who posts that gay shit, it's a whole other level to post it on /v/.

>>724903668
I agree that we should bring back stoning but I want a multicultural community where we stone fascists

>>724903748
>multicultural community where we stone fascists
Cool, one of the cultures you welcomed in decides to stone (You), and if you oppose it, (You) are the fascist. Hey, I don't make the rules...

>>724904303
You’re describing fascists and why they need to be stoned to protect communities. That’s why you need to be stoned for the betterment of civilization.

>>724889804 (OP)
Gotta hand it to /pol/bronies, they’re making themselves useful for a change by forcing the thread to archive quickly since the last normal thread got force-archived by an assmad janny

>>724890706
Kris is treated as a separate entity from (you) from the get go, framing kris as an individual character instead of a (supposed) self insert like frisk.
Also everyone already knows Kris while Frisk is unknown to the monster so"they" is being used to remain neutral to someone they don't know the gender of yet

A reminder for the troons in this thread, you'll live a miserable life and be dead in less than a decade unless you snap out of your delusions. It isnt too late to stop being a full time internet faggot.

>>724904572
>screaming at imaginary trannies
meds

>>724904409
>everyone can just stone each other!
>what if (You) get stoned?
>then they're bad people and i'll just stone them first
Wow, way more sensible than Monarchy. Clearly...

>>724904448
Was it? I thought it just naturally archived due to lack of activity.

>>724900913
>Mark 14:51-52
51 A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52 he fled naked, leaving his garment behind.
Usually I don't call children young men but ok.

>>724904572
Couldn't the same be said for someone doing these PSAs to imaginary people on an anonymous video game board?

>>724904732
Yeah, if your community wants to stone you you’re probably a bad person who deserves it lol
I have friends, a loving family, and strong ties to a variety of groups in my community so I don’t fear the judgement of the people.

You know why Jesus got chased out of so many towns and talked about being scandalized? It’s not because of any silly religious tension…he was a drug-soaked sorcerer who abducted and groomed boys, ran scams on rich families, and started attracting junkies.

>>724904880
Because you’re using the English translation instead of the original Greek that uses the diminutive form of young man. We also see this confirmed when Jesus pays his tax as an adult and notes that it’s unnecessary to pay for any of his disciples, but he’ll add an extra share to keep the tax collectors from questioning if the oldest, Peter, is really still a child or not.

>>724905020
>I have friends, a loving family, and strong ties to a variety of groups in my community so I don’t fear the judgement of the people.
And I won the lottery thrice and fucked your mom, post proof fagget.

>>724905172
Interesting, can you post the original greek please? I understand it may take time or that its a big ask but it would be much appreciated.

>>724905175
Why? I don’t care about convincing you fascist demons of anything. I’m here to make sure you fear what’s coming. I already know you’re lost causes who will have to be killed by the thousands. You have no friends or family who will speak up for you, your community will cheer your killers as heroes.

>>724905020
If jews have been seething about christ for 2000(!) years, then I'm deeply inclined to believe he just made jewish people mad because he called them out and was right about them.

>>724905304
>can’t even find Greek texts
lol

>>724903604
now this is some Schizo shit

>>724905172
Peter had a wife you retard.

>>724905304
The Septuagint is available online for free, and if you go through it and various commentaries you'll find this schizo anon is full of shit

>>724905309
>I’m here to make sure you fear what’s coming
I don't fear the inevitable rise of an American Monarch, when the Executive finally puts his foot down and acts like the Leader everyone says he is but isn't allowed to be. (You) should.
>your community will cheer your killers as heroes
History will be written by the victors, yes, as it has always been...

>>724897196
A person who is unknown or hypothetical is a HE by default.
Example: "If a customer shows up, tell him about today's special."

>>724905309
A shame I was hoping to be enlightened. Found proof myself.
>source
https://mail.abarim-publications.com/DictionaryG/n/n-e-o-sfin.html
You would be fun to talk to on >>>/his/ by the way

>>724905919
Schizo anon blown the fuck out by his own sources

>>724906010
It was fun looking it up I will give him that.

>>724902498
That was a good year, it was when the "right side of history" realized that they actually hadn't won history.

>>724905020
Anyone who calls Him a sorcerer is such a dim retard outing themselves instantly as kikes quoting directly from the talmud
They admit in the same breath that magic is somehow real and then slam that accusation on Him as if those are coherent thoughts in the modern day

>>724905421
I’ve got bad news for you if you haven’t checked out what the Talmud says about marriageable age. Mary was a child bride too. Judeo-Christianity is a slave cult complex that includes marriage as a form of ownership. In fact, part of its subversion of the Roman Empire was rejecting the validity of polytheist and state backed marriage in favor of outlaw unions that even meant breaking normal vows to enter into orgiastic rituals with a new outlaw spouse. Judeo-Christianity and Islam really are the worst forms of fundamentalism you can imagine and the result was the destruction of every society touched by them. Funnily enough, the weirdness with America’s founding fathers comes from their reading Greek texts. When they start putting statues of Dike up instead of churches, it’s obvious they knew the truth about Christianity. The core secret of freemasonry is the same, they know that the world was destroyed by a child trafficking pirate religion.

>>724905919
You found another English translation. You literally got duped by the same trick twice because you have no clue what the Greek actually says lol

>>724906770
>Talmud
Didn't read further.

>>724906664
You realize Christianity holds the same forms of magic to be real, right? In revelation when we see lady Babylon with a cup of porneia, that’s the same magic the “Hebrews” were fighting against. Galen, the premier doctor whose texts were used in Christendom until the modern day, wrote about not just four humours but also a fifth which mediated the magic of images for which Persians were so well known. Ioan Culianu sketches out the Christian connection to magic in his masterwork “Eros and Magic in the Renaissance.”

>>724906770
>kike kvetching so hard his face turns purple and can't admit he was wrong about the greek
>tries to bat for homosexual freemason child killers and accuse what they're guilty of
LMAO

>>724890040
wdym? They can be used that way.

>>724907032
But you’re the bigoted pedophile freak. That’s why you have to try to signal that I’m wrong about the Greek even though you know nothing about Greek.

>>724907125
>don't trust any of the Greek to English official translations, just trust me, the schizo kike communist anon on 4chan
yeah sure

>>724907028
Cool diversion, kike.
But we're talking about what (you) believe as a non-Christian blasphemer.
Only one set of people calls Him a sorcerer, a regular atheist would blither about Him not existing or being exaggerated.

>>724907179
You’re illiterate. You have to rely on translations because you’re uneducated. Your opinion is worthless because all you can do is regurgitate the propagandized translation like a drone.
It’s especially funny with you fascist freaks because your degeneracy means you’ll never actually learn about western civilization. You’re happy to buy the fairy tales because you’re spoiled children who live only by selfishness and greed.

>>724907208
There were dozens and hundreds of christed cult leaders and pirates from the time of Heracles down to the dark age when collapse led to the loss of the sciences necessary to produce the christing drug.

>>724906770
>You found another English translation
Not just a translation but a transliteration that goes word by word plus and explains what each word means in detail. Do you know ancient Greek?

>>724889804 (OP)
the reasoning is that Frisk is (you) -- as in, straightforwardly just an avatar for the player -- whereas Kris is a separate, preexisting character who you happen to pilot around. think Geralt as opposed to the Dragonborn.
of course the real answer is that the Undertale fandom is a horrible cesspit of demented ideologues, but we all knew that already

>>724907493
Buddy this is a theology thread now.

>>724907713
okay cool i'll see myself out thanks

>>724907772
No problem man, your input is appreciated anyways have a nice day.

>>724907493
Frisk was revealed to not be (you), but only at the very end of Undertale.

>>724889804 (OP)
aren't they the same character?

>>724898976
Was it an uncle or someone close to the family, troon-chan?

>>724907308
>you fascist freaks
Do you think, despite all better judgement, that becomes more effective the more you repeat it?
Sorry, I shouldn't interrupt you in the middle of your mistake.

>>724908585
think?

>>724897003
The singular they/them is used when referring to an unknown man/woman or the number of subjects in a sentence. It has never been used as a direct replacement of gendered language via gender identity since recently. More archaically, the masculine was also used to denote generality.

>>724905812
I definitely do that on the internet because there are no females on it.

>>724908837
>The singular they/them is used when referring to an unknown man/woman
You're thinking of "he or she."
>buhhh, too many silly bulls...
Then use that "general masculine" you talked about on the end of your post. You already use it when talking about 4chan users ("Not him, but..." et cetera).

>>724908837
You're not gonna convince ESLs or zoomers that their english is imperfect, anon. You'd have better luck reclaiming the original definitions of gay and faggot.

>>724891357
>How to say you're a tranny without saying you're a tranny

>>724905812
they has been a singular pronoun for over 500 years
he and she are more specific. this means the default english singular third person pronoun is they, and when you know whether they are male or female you then change it to he or she

Always so disappointing when I look up deltarune characters in the archive to find the current thread and it's just another Kris gender debate thread
By the way, characters can have genders up to the player's interpretation without having to be their "avatar" or "self insert" and both sides of this debate are fucking dumb for not realizing this

>>724889804 (OP)
mentally ill retards inserting their shitty headcanon into anything they become obsessed with

a good example is that man in a dress troon freak claiming aerith is trans on twitter lol

>>724889804 (OP)
one is a faggot, and one is you.
they're the same thing.

>>724889804 (OP)
Kris is not a self-insert, but the gender ambiguity is still intentional. The game goes to many lengths to show that Kris is their own person that exists beyond (you), and finds your presence both intrusive and deeply unpleasant.

The ambiguity demonstrates how much of a stranger you are to Kris and their life. You really don't know anything about them. Their life, their personality, their beliefs, you don't even know their gender. You are an invader.

>>724911086
>By the way, characters can have genders up to the player's interpretation without having to be their "avatar" or "self insert" and both sides of this debate are fucking dumb for not realizing this
The only character I can think of that fits that bill is, ironically enough, Niko.

Why do people think 201X is supposed to be an unspecified year? All the calendars that exist in universe call it 201X, it can only mean X is simply a digit used for year counting in Undertale's world. You're not Chara, so you're not supposed to project the year you played Undertale onto it.

>>724911285
>You are an invader.
there's a huge chance that yellow prick is the one that stole us away from our vessel

>>724897464
>/leftypol/
I haven't heard that name in quite some time. Better times...

>>724897653
Technically yes, as Hitler was a National Socialist and is generally considered to be an authoritarian centrist.

>>724911442
Because 201X is a blatant Earthbound reference.
https://youtu.be/m3JfATnXbqg?t=222

>>724911767
(The point was that the "all the characters use they/them in universe" and "you're not meant to project onto them" arguments can be applied verbatim to 201X just as easily)

>>724911442
I like to think the X is the roman numeral, so the actual year is more like 20110

>bunch of different groups all have their ideas about a story or character or whatever
>yet for some reason this one specific group's headcanon is sacred and must absolutely be respected
>not doing so will have you exiled or even have IRL consequences
Why did society as a whole suddenly decide this 1% of people matter far more than everyone else?

>>724912358
it's been a slow boil since the 20's to let these kinds of people have as much authority as they do
it just seems sudden because social media has allowed them to freely speak to each other and to everyone else on a large scale for the first time

>>724910961
>a ghoulish game creator attracts a ghoulish audience
>people react as people do to the presence of ghouls
>"how is this happening???"

>>724912358
the same reason you're allowed to draw a character who's only been shown with heterosexual attractions as a flaming faggot but drawing a canon gay in a straight relationship gets you crucified on the spot
being straight or cis is inherently a "negative" and being gay or trans is a "positive"
berdly (prior to chapter 4) and burgerpants have only ever been shown wanting to bone women but it's fine to draw them fagging it up while shipping noelle with a guy makes you hitler because something something "erasure" or "straights just haven't figured themselves out yet and being gay is different" or "you'd disrespect real identities because you drew a fucking looney toon animal the wrong way"

>>724912358
>Why did society as a whole suddenly decide this 1% of people matter far more than everyone else?
Same as every minority
When they became politically profitable.

That's the exact moment they became more important than anyone else.
You, me, everyone we know, everyone we've ever known? We aren't important. If we were squashed like a bug tomorrow there would be millions of us to replace us. All with the same opinions. Same sob story of having a culture or having a heritage.

Them? The micro-minority who do it entirely of their own doing? they're unique because they're the ones all the cameras will be on. So bend the knee.

>>724912358
Society now revolves around the internet and this same group of people are deeply mentally ill, terminally online, constantly posting and actively pushed forward by maliciously curated algorithms to present the appearance of consensus. If there's one thing that's been proven about humanity, it's that the vast majority of people will bend the knee to whatever they believe the consensus to be, regardless of their prior thoughts on the matter.

>>724912358
>Why did society as a whole suddenly decide this 1% of people matter far more than everyone else?
It means the illness that's been building since the so-called "Enlightenment" has become terminal.

>>724912358
It happened during the feminist upheaval of the mid 10s when the mask went off fully, and billionaires, companies, entire governments and political wings were saying to their constituents and consumers "You do not matter, we do not like you. We want to replace you. You need to fuck off and die, get replaced, I have replacements for you in other countries which will be in your country soon".

Most people just said "Wow, that sucks" but kept consooming and didn't even get angry. They just shrugged and said "I guess I'll be hated in my own country". And that's where we are today. If you're part of the majority, people hate you. The general zeitgeist right now is that your countrymen are garbage and should be treated with spite. When you realize this, literally all politics makes sense. There is no one on your side + the people who aren't on your side wish for your death openly.

>>724912979
>ghoulish
is this the new demonic?

>>724890040
I'd be all for a non-gendered pronoun to describe everyone so that I never have to waste time on "he isn't here" "dont you mean she?" "oh yeah, woops" in any situation ever again in my entire life.
we'd save billions of hours globally over the English speaking world by never having to think about that ever again.
but "they" ain't right, we should just call everyone "he" or something.

>>724912358
>the people who write the wiki agree on something that isn't outright stated but generally accepted by most people who do stuff like edit wikis
and this has irl consequences on you how exactly?

>>724913924
>how does this affect you exactly?

>>724913969
yes, how does not believing that kris from deltarune is nonbinary actually affect you in any way?
did you get banned from the subreddit or something?

>>724913924
If you think the wiki is the only thing affected by this you simply haven't read any Deltarune discussion outside of 4chan

>>724889804 (OP)
Undertale troons do be like that

>>724914103
where is this an issue for you, reddit? discord?
I just don't see why this affects you

>>724914027
>banned
depending on where you live, you'd be lucky if it was just that.
now since we both know what you think, your next post will be "good, die transphobes" so don't even bother replying.

>>724914305
was someone in bongland arrested for misgendering kris?

>>724913816
Interchangeable. Both are accurate, if not literally true.
>>724914305
As we can see, the ghouls have taken over the state apparatus of at least one island nation.

>>724914402
Based retard.
Why exactly are trannies so powerful that you can get arrested for not using their pronouns? Why exactly can I not call Kris a he anymore than a she?

>>724890556
Sorry to inform, but it has spread to xitter. I have a friend who never used social media until last year. And this week he used the word "chud". Mental illness is spreading.

>>724914402
>was someone in bongland arrested for misgendering kris?
Yes, for misgendering one of the wiki moderators.

>>724891357
This is a bot post and has been posted on /mlp/

>>724914557
>Why exactly can I not call Kris a he anymore than a she?
the game calls kris they, why would you call them he or she?

>>724914676
that sounds crazy, can you link a news article or something about it?

>>724914690
Because "they" in-game does not mean non-binary despite what wiki editors are claiming
Toby has never said Kris is non-binary, no character in game says so either

>>724914690
'they' isn't a gender and talking about Kris requires some speculatory knowledge of who he is and why he's living in his brother's room, wearing boy clothes, crushing on women. All of which are indicators of what his actual gender may be. What are you, stupid?

>>724893451
So trannies werent being trannies until right wing politics happened? Are you perchance a nigger?

>>724889804 (OP)
>writes a concise explanation of the exact differences between Kris and Frisk
>1 second later
>I genuinely do not understand. :/
Nigga how can you explain it and not understand it

>>724914785
>Because "they" in-game does not mean non-binary despite what wiki editors are claiming
yeah I agree
I think people are just inferring that kris is nonbinary
but kris' gender isn't specified, so why would you use he or she anyway?

>>724914761
Sure.
https://www.thepinknews.com/2019/09/05/trolling-malicious-communication-misgendering-stephanie-hayden-kate-scottow/
That one on the left? That's a Deltarune wiki moderator, you can tell because he's fat and ugly and trans.

>>724914809
>why he's living in his brother's room
because there isn't another room in the house
>wearing boy clothes
some female characters wear very similar clothes to kris
>crushing on women
toby writes lesbians though

>>724914865
>>724914962
>I think people are just inferring that kris is nonbinary
haha that's so funny that if you call Kris a he or a she you'll get banned from the wiki because such sane people also believe that.

Almost like this entire thing is stupid and ran by mentally ill retards who don't know Kris' gender either!

>>724914962
>because there isn't another room in the house
there's actually two other rooms in the house including a locked door we can't get in lmao

not that you or the wiki trannies know that because yknow, you don't play video games.

>>724914932
I didn't see anything in the article about deltarune
also it seems like the perpetrator was harassing, defaming, and publishing derogatory claims about the victim online for over 6 months, which seems deserving of legal consequences

Trannies are an illness that should be contained and never given power. But we gave a dementia-ridden old man presidency and dogs mayoral seats, so why not the mentally unstable.

>>724915017
>if you call Kris a he or a she you'll get banned from the wiki
yeah, but it's really easy not to do that given that the game always refers to kris as "they" anyway
and unless you're editing the wiki specifically to change kris' pronouns it won't affect you
>>724915091
>there's actually two other rooms in the house including a locked door we can't get in lmao
probably not suitable bedrooms

>>724914809
>>724915269
>>724914690
The gender neutral pronoun isn't 'they', it's 'he'.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0261927X251346193
'he' has been the standard for gender neutral pronouns for well over 300 years in the English Language. Only recently has 'She' been added.

So it's not incorrect, it's in fact how 99% of all English speakers would refer to Kris not knowing his actual gender.

Glad to educate, fellow redditor.

>>724915136
>also it seems like the perpetrator was harassing, defaming, and publishing derogatory claims about the victim online for over 6 months, which seems deserving of legal consequences
yep called it >>724914305
>your next post will be "good, die transphobes" so don't even bother replying.
Time to finish it off.

Seam sexo

>>724915136
> harassing, defaming, and publishing derogatory claims
yeah calling an obvious man a 'Man' is very derogatory.
that's why everyone who misgenders Kris needs to die

>>724915301
>The gender neutral pronoun isn't 'they', it's 'he'.
can you quote it from the paper, I don't want to read all that
"they" has been used as a pronoun where gender is unknown for a long time, which is the appropriate case for kris

>>724915493
>can you quote it from the paper, I don't want to read all that
That's pretty based. I bet you get a lot of people to read for you, your parents, maybe even your schoolteachers.

>>724915368
you claimed she was arrested for misgendering a tranny, but she wasn't. She was arrested for months of online harassment.
You would not face any legal consequences for misgendering kris deltarune online, if you've forgotten the actual point
>>724915449
>yeah calling an obvious man a 'Man' is very derogatory.
the article says 6 months of harassment and defamation, not just calling the tranny a man

>>724915575
>you claimed she was arrested for misgendering a tranny, but she wasn't. She was arrested for months of online harassment.

*for misgendering a tranny
Poor tranny, he got called a 'he'. I hope this evildoer gets the electric chair for this vile misgendering.

Just say that you're trolling and be done with it.

>>724915560
sorry but I'm not going to just take your word for it because you linked a paper
quote it, should be easy

>>724915629
>*for misgendering a tranny
the article said
>Scottow was accused of a “campaign of targeted harassment” against Hayden.
>Scottow used two Twitter account to “harass, defame, and publish derogatory and defamatory tweets”, according to the paper.
just don't do that

>>724915645
>sorry but I'm not going to just take your word for it because you linked a paper
no no
*I'm not going to read a paper because you linked a paper
That's what you're telling me.
Very based, again. Very trans-inclusive.

>>724915734
yeah I'm not going to read that whole paper just because you said that "he" can be gender neutral
in some situations that's true, but it isn't how we usually use language nowadays, and the game never refers to kris as "he" anyway, so why not just use what the game uses?

>>724915493
>WHY AREN'T YOU THINKING FOR ME???
damn you sure you're not trans? that's the most trans thing posted this thread.

https://www.flyriver.com/g/he-as-a-generic-pronoun
>The adoption of "he" as a generic pronoun can be traced back to a time when societal structures were heavily patriarchal. In many historical periods, the male experience was often seen as the default human experience, and linguistic conventions reflected this bias. Grammar books and style guides often explicitly prescribed the use of "he" when referring to a person of unknown or unspecified gender. This practice was not merely a matter of grammatical convenience; it was deeply intertwined with societal power dynamics. For centuries, this usage was largely unchallenged, ingrained in both written and spoken language.

doever

>>724915845
thanks, that makes sense
I just don't see what that has to do with kris being called "he", seeing as that isn't standard practice anymore and the game always uses "they"

>>724915815
>yeah I'm not going to read that whole paper just because you said that "he" can be gender neutral
It can be. In fact, this is historically accepted practice for the last few centuries. That's okay though, since you didn't immediately throw it into chatGPT I'm guessing you're too stupid to use that, too.

>>724915845
That's a good one but it'll be a waste of time regardless.

His next words will be "How can I trust some random website?!"

>>724916013
>since you didn't immediately throw it into chatGPT I'm guessing you're too stupid to use that, too.
yeah I can think for myself thanks
AI is mostly just good for coding

>>724916089
>yeah I can think for myself thanks
Clearly you can't because you just asked me to read it to you like a fucking baby.

>>724914690
>the game calls kris they
Yes, because Robert Fox is allied with the ghouls.

>>724915968
>I just don't see what that has to do with kris being called "he", seeing as that isn't standard practice anymore
It is, in fact, still standard practice. You're conflating the internet brainrot happening in the western world to the general practitioners of the English Language and that's just not the case.

That said, 'They' isn't a gender and you can at least infer Kris is masculine by character traits he shares.

how did this thread go from nazis and communism or whatever the fuck to reeing about singular they/them

>>724916193
thinking isn't the same as reading a whole paper to find one quote

>>724916323
>singular they/them
There is no such thing and it stemmed from trannies getting giga-offended by >>724912358 people calling them out as being the world screechiest, babied minority demanding special exception and protection from all of society's rules.

>>724916346
Oh okay but you wanted me to do that for you? You couldn't read the abstract and maybe draw conclusions yourself.
Great.
Awesome.

>>724916323
>how did this thread go from nazis and communism or whatever the fuck to reeing about singular they/them
A shitload of the deltarune fanbase is extremely opinionated about things they refuse to put any thought into.

>>724916306
>It is, in fact, still standard practice
it's also standard practice to use "they" as gender neutral, which makes a lot more sense than sometimes using "he" for a woman by mistake

>>724916460
>it's also standard practice to use "they" as gender neutral,
Generally not IRL no. You're confusing internet brainrot with reality again.
Common mistake, especially for discord moderators and Wiki editors.

>>724916380
so were you mad about it when undertale came out too?
were you mad about it when shakespear used it?

>>724916323
>how did this thread go from nazis and communism or whatever the fuck to reeing about singular they/them
it's not that Kris is referred to as singular they/them, it's that if you refer to them as anything else you get instant banned from most communities by people who think chopping off their dicks makes them a 'they/them'. The people who should have no say in this ,because they're mentally ill.

>>724916460
>it's also standard practice to use "they" as gender neutral
Just like it's standard practice to say "assigned at birth" instead of just fucking saying "male" or "female"? No, will not accept "born as," because that implies you can change your sex.

>>724916542
>so were you mad about it when undertale came out too?
UT Frisk is literally a blank slate to insert into. see >>724889804 (OP)
I think you missed the entire point of UT if you don't realize that. Frisk isn't even a character.

>>724916624
>say "assigned at birth" instead of just fucking saying "male" or "female"?
in those cases you would still be saying "male assigned at birth" for instance
"they" as a singular pronoun for an unknown gender makes more sense than "he", because "he" implies a man
singular "they" has also been used for cases of unknown gender for hundreds of years, so I don't see why you prefer "he"

remember you're unreasonable for not calling people made-up pronouns but if you do as much as play a video game, you'll get cancelled and people will try to burn your house down.

>>724916687
>UT Frisk is literally a blank slate to insert into. see >>724889804 (OP)(OP)
frisk is literally not though, that's the twist at the end
in both cases their gender is unknown

>>724916761
I think if you need to write a whole paragraph to explain your pronouns then your opinion on it doesn't matter.

>>724916624
my dude i hate trannies as much as anyone but getting your nickers in a twist over singular they/them is a waste of energy
language evolves, and even if singular they/them originated from some sjw bullshit, it still has a place in a world of binary genders
>b-but kris
kris is a dude and toby just has autism and must call all humans they/them

>>724916882
but kris never explains their pronouns at all
the game calls kris "they", so "they" is correct

>>724916761
>in those cases you would still be saying "male assigned at birth"
No, it would just be "male" or "female." Sex is observed, not assigned.
>"they" as a singular pronoun for an unknown gender makes more sense than "he", because "he" implies a man
"Man" meaning "human," like how "girl" means "child" and "boy" means "slave."

>>724916901
>I'm totally one of you guys, here's my essay to explain why you can't misgender this video game character who has no gender

historians will save this thread and ask "what, so you can't refer to the boy as a 'he'?"

Kris isn't non-binary, he's genderless, why is this so hard for troons and non-troons to understand?

>>724916978
>"Man" meaning "human," like how "girl" means "child" and "boy" means "slave."
you're just quibbling etymology while ignoring the reality of what words mean
"man" does not mean "human" to the point where you would call a woman a "man"

>>724917054
why would historians think kris was a boy?

>>724916983
>here's my essay to explain why you can't misgender this video game character who has no gender
nigga i literally just said kris is a dude but toby just has they/them human autism

>>724917086
>you're just quibbling etymology while ignoring the reality of what words mean
Okay, back to basics: "they" is plural, and only plural, end of story.

>>724917190
shakepeare used "they" for singular unknown like 400 years ago
this has been a thing forever

>>724900913
>>724900774
>>724900913
Why are 4channers such idiots? I thought everyone knew the prevailing understanding was that it was Mark describing himself. You don't win just by erasing entire 50 verses of context. Good luck not getting owned when you attempt to push this in public. At no point was it said that those there with him weren't just his apostles.

>>724905172
>>724905304
>>724905380
"Caesar’s Things to Caesar"
I was always for the removal of religion from schools, but look at what it got us.

If you're nazi/racist/transphobe/etc you can just die desu society doesn't need you and you are a poison to all of is, unironically. I would prefer for you to grow and become a better person of course but you're dead set on not doing that so quite sincerely i hope you hateful compassionless people just fucking die outright, you don't deserve to stay in this world