Thread 724953953

Video games still get this wrong.

What video game are you even thinking of that 'gets this wrong'

What's supposed to be wrong and where

>>724953953 (OP)
Left choice wouldn't really be (You). So the portal would be better.

>>724953953 (OP)
>OG Star Trek hates characters who make themselves machine clones and at least one episode has Kirk demand a man kills himself because "he's not human anymore"
>They use the teleporters constantly that disintegrates them and produces identical copies elsewhere
I hate OG Star Trek so much. The morals were all over the place.

>>724954324
>Kirk demand a man kills himself because "he's not human anymore"
lmao, why

>>724954234
How do you know that invisible barrier between the 2 areas isn't doing exactly what happens on the left?
Just because there's no control console and memory buffer a-la Star Trek transporter, it doesn't mean it works differently.

>>724954697
seems like you have never watched event horizon or interstellar

>>724954697
One kills you, the other is like entering another room. Do you fear for your life everytime you enter or leave the bathroom?

>>724953953 (OP)
Why do redditors think this is such a big deal?
Death is only practically death when the result means you stop existing as you currently are.
A "death" that is really just an exact 1:1 copy of yourself isn't really a death, unless you're an autistic epistemologist.

>>724955410
your consciousness literally stops, retard. Some other asshole is now cucking you with your body

>>724953953 (OP)
left is more or less the plot of SOMA, except the original doesn't die

>>724955410
>A "death" that is really just an exact 1:1 copy of yourself isn't really a death
Idiot, YOU die. Your consciousness stops forever, and an exact copy is walking around thinking its you. How is this hard to understand?

>>724954929
only when i enter, every time i dread never coming out and dying on the bowl

>>724953953 (OP)
Wouldn't that depend on the specific mechanics of how teleporters/portals work in a particular universe?

>>724955629
>>724955781
>has no idea what 1:1 means

>>724955629
>>724955781
just win the coin toss

>>724955410
So you wouldn't care if I made a perfect copy of you and then shot you in the head?

>>724955839
>An exact copy is the same entity as the original!
American?

>>724956015
1:1 means down to the atomic level.
Which also means the corporeal mass would get paired with the same metaphysical mass.
>>724956005
If my consciousness is getting transferred to the copy, no.

>>724955410
>death isn't dead if you are so fucking stupid you don't realize you are killing yourself
You sure showed us, retard

>>724953953 (OP)
Don't tell normies about the effects of Anesthesia on neurons. They get really upset

>>724953953 (OP)
Lord give me the sweet embrace of teleport

>>724954324
I think OG Star Trek basically proves at one point that there's some sort of quantum gravity fixed point or "soul" or something that means it is "you" each time. The whole "transporter paradox" was brought up relatively early

>>724955839
Let say I make a 1:1 copy of your body, that doesn't mean "you" are in control of both of them. Did you ever see The Prestige? Its about this very thing and the problem of duplicates. The idea is that you step into the transporter bay and when you're disassembled, you die/stop existing etc. An exact copy of you walks out the other side, but (You) are gone. You're not piloting it, you're not seeing through those eyes etc.

>>724953953 (OP)
Definitely not The Prestige

>>724954324
>one episode has Kirk demand a man kills himself because "he's not human anymore"
unfathomably based

>>724956252
>Let say I make a 1:1 copy of your body, that doesn't mean "you" are in control of both of them.
This is not the same premise as a teleporter.
Why do redditors struggle with staying on topic?

>>724955839
No one expects that any kind of 'break you down and rebuild you elsewhere' can PROMISE to actually catch and transport your soul/consciousness to reattach it to the biological vessel it rebuilds, impossible to even measure such a thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh-ZcdO5fe8

>>724956308
>he doesn't know that this already happened before
Every human has the genetic code in themselves to feel uneasy/uncanny when listening to their own voice or watch themselves on video. This is because of the great teleporter clone conspiracy that happen a long time age. All great monuments, like the pyramids, where built by teleport clones slaves.

>>724954324
Transporters don't kill you, dumbass
Unless they malfunction

>>724956252
>I think OG Star Trek basically proves at one point that there's some sort of quantum gravity fixed point or "soul" or something that means it is "you" each time. The whole "transporter paradox" was brought up relatively early
Weren't there episodes where the teleporter accidentally made extra copies of people?

>>724956437
>yeah but what if though
not an argument

>>724956158
>Which also means the corporeal mass would get paired with the same metaphysical mass.
No wonder you hate epistemology. You don't like people telling you how absolutely imbecilic your completely unproven metaphysical assumptions are.
So how do you get a hold of this supposed "metaphysical mass" (that of course exists without previous inquiry just because I said so) and link it to the new body?

>>724956591
>No wonder you hate epistemology.
i don't hate it, i just hate useless pedantry.
> your completely unproven metaphysical assumptions are.
Coming from the people insisting on literal science fiction technology as factual?
lmao

>>724953953 (OP)
Okay, but what if a teleporter is moving towards me at a really high speed right before it teleports me?

>>724956562
Nigga this WHOLE THREAD is about what-if technology

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>>724956437
There is measurable continuity in brain activity during sleep or being forcefully rendered unconscious that can be inferred as the continuation of self. This continuity obviously doesn't exist in teleportation and its debatable it doesn't for general anesthesia either

>>724953953 (OP)
Stargate does both. It's a portal (artificial wormhole) that disassembles the traveller and rebuilds them on the other end.

>>724956362
Its the exact concept. Your mistake is assuming that whatever "metaphysical mass" (are they particles? Waves? Something else etc) are included in the shit the buffer are included in the atomic breakdown and reassembly process. However, without that being explicitly specified or some other universal constant in that setting (ie souls are treated as both real and unique etc), this is an issue that is not resolved. We're talking about OP's pic and the common breakdown and reassembly hypothesis of transporter use which has a major paradox as without something currently way beyond our understanding - basically proof of souls, or some sort of quantum entangled metaphysical widget that functions equivalently, even if we COULD do the first thing, doesn't mean we could manipulate the latter, or that it exists in the first place.

>>724956504
There were issues like that yes, sometimes it either fucked with a person's physical body or their personality, until things were righted by basically putting them back together in the end or otherwise fixing the issue.

>>724953953 (OP)
>>724956720
if i jump in a teleporter will teleported me fly upward?

>>724953953 (OP)
source?

>>724956704
>drops his own argument when forced to face its absurdity
This "pedantry" you cry about is the thing proving over and over how retarded you are. You belong with magic science negro and all the other clowns.

>>724953953 (OP)
Imagine...
Teleportal.
How this would work?

>>724956437
> comic
i wonder how many times that dude used his invention

>>724953953 (OP)
You can’t “get it wrong” because things like teleportation and portals can work however one wants them to

>>724956963
i'm not dropping anything.
an exact 1:1 copy is objectively more likely to retain its original consciousnesses than magically getting paired with a new one.

The only way Tom Riker can exist as a separate entity is for teleporters to kill the person being teleported and then reassembling them in the new place.

It also introduces a bunch of plot holes like why they don't just do "backups" of crewmembers for when they die, get seriously injured, etc

>>724956963
t*son is such an embarrasment to the pop science community

>>724953953 (OP)
>Teleport kills you
Wrong.

Teleporting means you're in Spot A and suddenly you're in Spot B, the transition is controlled by pressing a button and instantaneous.
Going through a portal means you move into Spot B from Spot A, the transition is not instantaneous and controlled by moving.

>>724956437
Holy shit, that's retarded. We're a persistent existence whether conscious or unconscious.

A far future civilization that has grown up with this technology and that has entered into an age of cyberization and memory backup probably wouldn't give a shit about the implications, but it doesn't change the underlying fact that the original ceases to exist.

>>724957016
Just the once, I imagine.

>>724956832
Kill him

I'll die going through the portal too because according to Bfags I'm gonna shoot out the other side at 5000 miles an hour and slam into a tree.

>>724956504
in TNG they find a Riker clone after many years of him being trapped in some research installation because of a transporter error

modern AAA studios have NO answer to this

>>724957085
>my fee-fees say it, so it must be objectively more likely to be!
Lol. Okay, woman.
And this is why we have indemonstrable fairy tales like the multiple worlds interpretation that would make a middle ages scholastic blush out of embarrassment passing as "serious science".

>>724954841
>>724954929
You are being disingenuous contrarian on purpose and you know it and I know it.

So why do it?
>inb4 doubles down

>>724957413
>when faced with objectivity the redditor ad-homs
boring

>>724953953 (OP)
Where does the insistence that teleportation kills you come from?
What exactly is the problem with teleporters taking your whole living self from one location to another?

>>724956437
>that comic
Yeah no that does agree that it kills the person and just makes a new one that is sentient in itself.
(You) are still ded.
The clone has "emergent" consciousness, but not your consciousness.

>>724957518
Because it has to fucking destroy you to do that?

>>724953953 (OP)
A teleport doesn't necessarily do that. Actually if your teleport does that then it's really not a teleport at all, it's just a cloning device.

>>724957518
Teleportation can't physically transport every single one of your cells to a different location like taking the bus would so it simply recreates them based on the template that was your previous body.

>>724957489
You are defending the existence of soul and certain formal properties it has in relation with matter, with 0 proofs. You are too stupid to realize you are an absolute retard.
Explaining to you the retarded things you are saying is not ad hominem. Stop using words you are too dumb to understand.

>>724957615
>Because it has to fucking destroy you to do that?
Why?
>>724957726
>Teleportation can't physically transport every single one of your cells to a different location
Why?
>so it simply recreates them based on the template that was your previous body.
Who would build such a machine?

>>724957518
>>724957635
If we're talking about the Star Trek one, it has the ability to create clones, so that means it's just converting you into data and replicating that data elsewhere, meaning the original died to become that data.

If you had a transporter that just converted your matter into the smallest possible means to send you through some other dimension or a wormhole, there are still implications to work through but you're at least the same chunk of matter, just displaced temporarily.

>>724957726
If you say something is a teleport than I'm going to assume it is tele-porting your atoms not working like a fax machine

>>724957741
>with 0 proofs
The metaphysical is a lot more studied than star trek teleporters.
I would refrain from talking about proofs.

A teleporter doesn't break you down, it displaces you entirely into another" empty" space.

>>724953953 (OP)
Left only exists because of Star Trek.

>>724957726
>Teleportation can't physically transport every single one of your cells
That is quite literally the point of them, why are you inventing new head-canon?

>>724958043
It depends on the teleporter, but the one in Star Trek does not. It can create clones, so the beam itself is just a data transfer that can go haywire and your original self and atoms are gone from the universe.

>>724957837
>Why?
Because that is the definition of teleportation. Moving your mass between 2 locations without traveling the physical space between point A and B.
>Who would build such a machine?
Sci-fi writers, retarded trillionaires, or biology. Most of your cells refresh naturally. Your current skin isn't the same skin you were born with, it's just based on the same blueprint.

>>724957837
Having all your atoms torn apart would kill you, anon. Nobody outside of discussions about teleportation would ever question this.

>>724957518
That's how teleporters were portrayed in Star Trek and other sci-fi so it stuck.

>>724957965
>>724958128
Define teleportation and how it differs from taking a step forward.

>>724953953 (OP)
What's stopping a teleporter from just teleporting a whole chunk of space at once instead of doing it molecule by molecule?

So why doesn't anyone ever start screaming while being teleported in Star Trek? Having your molecules ripped apart probably hurts a lot, even if it's only for a few seconds.

>>724958416
It's ideally faster than the time it'd take your brain to process the pain signals

>>724957995
>he goes all mystical all of a sudden when faced with the fact that he is an idiot
So which point should we take as a basis? Plato's metaphysics or maybe Aristotle's? The second one is certainly a lot more fleshed out, due to his esoteric doctrine surviving in written form.
After that there is pretty much only christian theology up to the Enlightenment, which also kinda curtailed the entire hope for Metaphysics as a strict science, as per Kant's Critique of Pure Reason, resulting in the strict materialism we currently are living on. Well, it is true that Bohr and all the early 20th century physicists could still give you a run for your money on those topics due to their humanist education, so maybe you wanna talk about that?
I am sure you are well acquaintanced with all these sources, right retard?

>>724955410
What if you both live but one dies later.

>>724957518
It comes from a thought experiment regarding continuity of consciousness, which attracted the interest of scientific ethics because as far as we know there's no basis in nature to allow "teleportation" in any fashion but deconstruction and reconstruction.

>>724954841
I've seen Stella (1990)

>>724957085
The entire problem here is your assumption that a 1:1 copy of a physical body requires a 1:1 copy of whatever metaphysical consciousness and that they would instantly be ported over. Without other rules of the setting, there's no reason to think that either of those would be true. In the event that say... consciousness is entirely developed of physical and electrical processes in the brain, then it would not be possible and of course clone issues would become probable - you're having a person walk into a machine and then an exact copy of them at that second walk out the other side. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the same consciousness exists within the second side, just an identically cloned version with a very similar consciousness.


>>724957837
A crux of sci-fi "transporter/teleporter" technology usually works by a
>We'll break down whatever it is to their elemental particle, usually atomic scale, accompany this with some sort of data/blueprint of what was broken down and then reassemble them on the other side where there's a terminal to receive the information
Its a solution that without some sort of instantaneous controllable wormhole tech, its the only way to sound even somewhat scientific and send people or stuff over vast distances. You don't need to spend that amount of energy or get them from A to B, you just need to break down them into component parts and send a blueprint for them to be reassembled. Its kind of like how replicators exist in their post scarcity society because they can pretty much take all the atoms out of garbage, and reassemble them into anything they have plans to make, so you can ask for
>Earl gray, hot
and provided someone once scanned and/or programmed it in, that's what comes out.

>>724953953 (OP)
>die but your parents arent sad
win win?

also yes videogames do indeed uhhh get this le wrong

>>724957839
>>724958196
Maybe it transports but also makes a backup just in case.
Suppose you were being transported but there was a malfunction with your arm transport. You'd want the machine to be able to patch you up, right?
Or perhaps it makes a copy of your state for verification purposes at the end.

>>724958534
>mystical all of a sudden
Quite the opposite. I was firmly in practicality since my 1st reply.
Death is only death when it's perceptible.

>>724956005
only if you can operate it with redundant heisenberg compensators

>>724954324
I am personally of the opinion that we can't be philosophically certain that there even is a single continuous "self", and that all we can be certain of is the sensation of self in the present moment. A continuous self is functionally identical to a self which is disintegrated and reborn from each moment to the next, so how can we determine which we are as human beings? It would boil down to whether consciousness is some tangible continuous state or a chain of discreet states and I'm tempted toward the latter.

>>724953953 (OP)
This short should be obligatory before posting on /v/.
https://youtu.be/ocgFkHElzgQ?feature=shared

>>724957518
Sci-fi, specially the "hard" variety, tries to make things that are at least potentially plausible according to our understanding of physics. A machine that simply magically teleports your body from one location to another is strictly in the realm of pure fantasy. The closest thing to an actual teleporter we could feasibly get is a machine that scans your body, kills you, and then 3D prints a perfect copy at the destination, from an uninformed observer's perspective it would look like teleportation and it opens up some interesting debates so it's the kind that comes up pretty often in sci-fi.

>>724953953 (OP)
>A teleport clones you but keeps your original body and mind in a digital storage that returns to life when your clone teleports back home
>a portal jumps your consciousness to an AU version of yourself, to a universe that looks just like yours, but in the location coordinates you've chosen
Games for this feel?

>>724956504
>>724957308
Yeah the Riker transporter clone episode was really interesting and I think they did a good job of making each Riker distinct in their own way that felt genuine. That divergence in where their "lives" literally split and how they never really answered the question on which Riker was the "real" one was cool. I like when shows respect the intelligence of a viewer enough to let them make their own conclusions.

>>724958718
If you've been turned into replicable data, that means the original you is gone. It's like a cut and paste that destroys the original hard drive.

Going back to Soma, it's like the first transfer where you have the option of killing your first self to put him out of his misery, but that's just being done automatically as part of the data collection.

>>724955629
What if YOU are the bull and your old self was the cuck?

>>724958601
>>724958248
>>724958245
>>724958238
>>724957839
>>724958950
My takeaway here is that trekkies are retarded. It is up to the author to write how his fictional tech functions. The Star Trek writers for whatever reason decided that it would scan you, tear you apart and reassemble you. That's fine with me within the confines of Star Trek but from what I see the fans of that show now insist that teleportation HAS to work that way or it isn't "realistic". I still see no reason why that should be the case other than >that's how Star Trek did it
It would be perfectly fine for a scifi or fantasy author to write about teleportation without ever considering this process of reassembly
>>724958545
That's the only answer I found interesting beyond being Star Trek trivia

>>724958896
Generally we assume the teleportation mechanism 'destroys' the original just by the logic of how the process works, not as an artificial function that had to be specifically built in as in this short

but still a good short

>>724958859
It's easiest to think in terms of if there are multiple copies of yourself with the same exact thoughts and memories created all a the same time, does that dilute or change your original self or are they just secondary copies that happen to be clones of you?

>>724957107
Teleporters in star trek world break down organic matter into digital signals and reassemble them. What happened with Riker is that he was CTRL+C'd and then CRTL+D'd while still in digital form, then both of those signals were built into organic matter based on the data available

>>724955629
It's not even your body, anon. It's theirs. It just happens to be exactly the same as yours at the time of your death.

tl;dr Ship of Theseus will dog humanity for the rest of time, especially in regards to the self.

>>724958896
>>724959152
In fact if that scientist just didn't build in the 'destroy the original' function at all, then the invention is a 'replicate anything/anyone' machine instead of a teleporter, which is amazing in itself and far less ethically questionable

>>724959146
I've never watched Star Trek nor do I care to. Propose a method of teleportation that isn't based on scanning you, tearing you apart and reassembling you.

This is one of the most retarded threads in internet history. Teleportation is not real, arguing about whether it kills you or if it's really you on the other end is pointless. You might as well argue to death about Santa Claus' middle name.

>>724958746
>death is only death when [thing I believe with no proofs, which therefore is ontologically true]
Okay I guess that is the closest I can get an NPC like you to a concession.
Look, if you weren't so dumb to disregard the intellectual tools smarter men than you created hundreds of years ago, you would know your unfounded belief falls on the side of doxa (opinion), not episteme (science).
You can believe whatever the fuck you want, just don't go using words too big and difficult for you like "fact" or "objective". But you don't like it when people tell you that, huh?

>>724959512
Portals.

>>724959146
>fans of that show now insist that teleportation HAS to work that way
Yep, the "popular science-fiction/fantasy is so popular the head-canon concept somehow becomes "Truth". Those dregs are so annoying.

>>724955629
>>724955781
Recreation of the soul is impossible, so the machine cannot kill you. If you come out the other end you have retained your soul thus you are alive. Your body temporarily ceased to exist but not long enough for your soul to depart, so you are the same person.

>>724959558
Hope you solve that ego and anger problem someday anon.

>>724959347
I don't know anything about Star Trek. But from what you described, if the organic matter was turned into and transported as digital signals, then how was there enough of this one person's organic matter for two people?

>>724959512
Two matching teleporters switch the same volume of matter on both ends.

>>724955410
ask me how i know you are a materialist/leftist

every time you lose consciousness (sleep) you die and a new person is created

>>724959554
>you shouldn't discuss hypothetical technology and its applications because it doesn't exist and the thought process is pointless
>despite the fact that many of the fantastical and out there concepts in sci-fi have been created in real life to a certain degree

>>724959775
>a materialist/leftist
You would be extremely incorrect.

>>724959779
Completely false.

>>724955410
This is the retard SOMA devs warned you about

>>724959715
The Star trek world has technology that synthesizes food from nothingness. They call those devices "replicators" and they can just say "Computer: cheese sandwich" and it will create a real cheese sandwich based on that prompt. That's probably how transporters work too

>>724954324
They only used teleporters to save money and then were forced to do all these writing gymnastics around it. Its a lesson in not cutting corners.

>>724959512
A one-way portal big enough to engulf the person switches on for an instant, transporting the user.
>inb4 that's a portal
Literally the same thing.

>>724959779
The universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.

>>724959981
Replicators use raw materials. They don't make things out of nothing.

>>724954697
There is no invisible barrier. A teleporter dissembles you, sends you over to the other teleporter and reassembles you. A portal is folding space, making it so that the location it connects to is right in front of you instead of far away.

>>724959167
Or is your self expanded multiplicatively?

>>724959981
Yeah, but if you say that the person's matter was transported, then how was there enough matter for two persons?

>>724959434
Teleportation isn't really ship of theseus. It's more like if theseus burned the original ship to ashes and an exact copy was somehow built on another continent.

>>724955839
Absolute retard

>>724960029
This really can't be emphasized enough
Every early script starts with "and then the crew rides the shuttle somewhere" and very quickly producers went "Do you have any idea how fucking much it would cost to set up the shuttle prop over and over in different areas, for what would just be three second transition shots anyway"

>>724959758
Switch by what means?

>>724959561
>>724960061
Matter moving physically through a wormhole isn't teleportation.

>>724959797
I didn't stutter, my friend. This is as stupid as arguing over the physics of jumping on Goombas. No one ITT or a thousand years from now is teleporting any time soon, it is a waste of life itself having an autistic fit over whether teleportation kills you or creates clones or whatever anybody might come up with. The concept itself is made up. A fabrication. Not real. Teleportation doesn't even work the same across different forms of media, making this thread even more retarded as if it somehow needed that.

>>724960367
Okay. The portal works by not using a wormhole. There.

>>724954324
Transporters don't kill you because your "soul" is maintained in an energy state throughout the whole process, this is demonstrated in TNG when Barclay encounters monsters in the transporter beam that are actually people stuck in theat state. It shows Barclay as conscious throughout the whole time. People like McCoy and Barclay himself are the ones who are scared of the tech but they are wrong about it.

>But what about Tom Riker! Technically the Transporter clone created a clone of the soul also. This kind of wacky quantum effect also happens in Voyager where the entire ship gets cloned and no transporters are involved.

>>724960473
Then how does it work? You can't define something by describing what it isn't.

>>724959797
Since you're obviously mentally impaired, I'll spell out for you what that anon was saying. Making unverifiable claims about the minutia of nonexistent technology and presenting it as an absolute truth that must be upheld in fucking fiction is retarded. And you, too, are retarded for holding this view.

>>724960367
>Switch by what means?
Magical sci-fi handwaveium. Nigga it's fiction.

exactly how does the teleporter kill you? all it did is modify your location.

when you get up from a chair, are you killed?
it's the same thing.
you existed in the chair before, now you exist elsewhere. did you die? how would it be different if you were teleported out of the chair?

>>724955410
you on an individual level are dead, but to everyone else you are still alive because the copy of you is still around and behaving the same. It is a big deal to die if your consciousness is copied and not transferred.

>>724959512
>Propose a method of teleportation that isn't based on scanning you, tearing you apart and reassembling you.
Sure you can use Upscale Quantum Entanglement Teleportation (or UQET for short) to switch the position of every cell in your body with a (hopefully empty) position elsewhere. There is no scanning, tearing apart or reassembling involved in this method. A malfunctioning machine of this variety might mess up the coordinate of your target position which leaves you embedded in a wall or something of that kind whereas an equally malfunctioning Star Trek teleporter might reassemble your body wrong even if it lands in the right spot.

>>724960594
When you stood up from your chair was your entire being pulled apart at a molecular level

Honestly a teleporter that just straight up kills you is the preferable option. It's eternity in there.

>>724954929
Only if you're a bfag

>>724960552
Forest for the trees, retard.

>>724960425
Your inability to reason and examine through hypotheticals that have applicability to questions and concepts that people have discussed for thousands of years is your own failing

>>724960367
>Matter moving physically through a wormhole isn't teleportation.
This is only because of how you are defining teleportation. It doesn't make sense to ask what other mechanism you could use if you are defining the goal based on the original mechanism. The end result using a portal or wormhole is still that you have something at one location updated to a new location regardless of what you are calling it.

>>724960628
>if your consciousness is copied and not transferred.
Why are we assuming a machine for the corporeal is also operating on the metaphysical?
Your body gets destroyed, your metaphysical is in the void somewhere.
Your body returns, the metaphysical medium inside reconnects with the metaphysical mass, and You are You again.

>>724960628
>you on an individual level are dead
this is bullshit. you would still exist just fine.

>>724960660
you stop existing and then start existing again in another location

let me ask you a question: do you think cognition is continuous? since it depends on discrete neuronal processes, it is not. cognition happens in steps. and that means there are gaps of nanoseconds / picoseconds where literally nothing is happening in your brain, no neurons are firing, nothing. are you dead during that time? of course not.

now imagine if, in the gap between those nanoseconds, you were teleported. would you die? obviously not.
you have magical/religious ideas about consciousness

>>724960135
they convert energy to mass

>>724960425
>No one a thousand years from now is teleporting any time soon
There is absolutely nothing preventing this technology. We are made entirely of matter. We can scan that matter. We have matter printers.
When the matter scanner and the matter printer technology advances to the appropriate stage, we have teleportation (and also infinite lives, infinite slave labor, etc)

>>724960734
I'm sure 3000 years from now, the world will be praising your posts on an internet forum discussing things you have literally negative knowledge about. Truly without your oh so brilliant posts, humanity would suffer and teleportation would never be invented. Everyone who has never engaged in this discussion is an abject moral failure for not contributing to the creation of teleportation since they didn't recite decades old fictional TV writing as fact.

>>724960912
also: people experience brain death for up to minutes at a time, are revived, and then are fine.
did these people actually die and they're inhabited by an impostor?
probably not. consciousness just paused and resumed.
so it would be with any teleportation.

Purely my headcanon, but I like how SS13 treats cloning because due to there only being one "soul" (i.e. YOU as the player) per body if you clone a living person then the clones are just braindead. But when you die then get cloned it's still you because your "soul" transferred to the new living body.

I don't know if you people are genuinely retarded or pretending to be obtuse for (you)s but a lot of sci-fi is based on actual physics and what could potentially realistically exist in the future if we had the technology for it. You can't just counter it by saying "well I make up some random bullshit that works how I want it while completely disregarding physics, there!", at that point there's no reason to even have a discussion with you.

Quick someone do the "fold the paper and punch a pen through it" analogy so I can make sense of this conversation.

Checkmate

>>724953953 (OP)
The teleporter only matters if souls are a thing and don't transfer, otherwise consciousness is just an illusion and it makes zero difference

>step into rings
>get turned to light
>appear in different set of rings at light speed
simple as

>>724955410
perfect rage bait lol well done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfHbsMa_wao
Why did she do it?

>>724953953 (OP)
left already happens to you in real life, every 7 years.
your bodys cells that make up "you" are all replaced with new cells by the 7year mark. the old you is dead.

>>724961145
Gotchu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JzwCdWlNPs

>>724960593
>we do the same thing but it stops being existentially questionable because i say so
Great contribution.

>>724960809
>The end result [....] is that you have something at one location updated to a new location
Your definition allows people to call a train ride teleportation.

>>724961269
Brain cells, which are what makes up your actual consciousness, are never replaced.

>>724961137
You can't be serious, this entire conversation hinges on the proposition that you can transmit information faster than light, which is completely impossible.

>>724959146
The writers fucked it themselves. They had episodes where a "malfunction" creates a duplicate. There was another episode as well where a person was rebuilt to sort-of a younger age by using old pattern data, meaning that if the buffer wasn't scrubbed after every transport then you could create infinite duplicates.
It's just an issue of internal consistency meets autistism.

bing bing WAH-ACK

>>724960734
My reasoning: There are no reliable, demonstrable methods of teleportation outside of fiction.
My examination: How teleportation works or is explained in works of fiction is inconsistent, i.e. Chaos Control is not the same as whatever Star Trek has going on. As such, it is a waste of time arguing over how it works because you can literally just make up your own rules. There is nothing to "get wrong".

From a "hypothetical" standpoint, this thread is a bunch of grown men(?) having a "my imaginary friend can beat up your imaginary friend" argument. A new low, even for a website such as this.

>>724961453
non-locality dabs on FTL

>>724960912

I'll make it easier for you. If instead of tearing you apart and reassembling you from other material somewhere else, instead the machine now simply reads your configuration and creates a duplicate somewhere else. Then I shoot you in the head. Get it?

Say what you will of stephen king and his works but The Jaunt still has the best teleportation of any media

>>724961437
Not true, used to be believed but has been shown that they are simply replaced on a larger timescale

>>724961086
Nobody has "come back" from brain death. Brain death is the cessation of brain stem activity. The term is defined separately from "death" in general because prior medicolegal definitions of death were proven insufficient (ie not irrevocable).

>>724960180
The digital data of a person can easily be copied. All you need is to use replicator technology that creates matter from nothingness, and you can theoretically create endless clones based on that creation tech.

>>724961137
>sci-fi is based on actual physics
A lot of sci-fi is incredibly loosely "based on" a handful of minutes of research into topics so far above the writers understanding. Not just in regards to teleportation, but a vast scope of other branches of science. You are taking the small details that someone thought might be interesting in a fictional setting and demanding that everyone treat it as gospel. The reason you are having this discussion here on the video game board of 4chan is because you are so fucking blindly ignorant that nobody in real life will put up with your senseless asinine ramblings.

>You can't just counter it by saying "well I make up some random bullshit that works how I want it while completely disregarding physics, there!"
I most certainly the fuck can, and there is not a single thing you can do about it. In fact, anyone can do it. Many sci-fi writers have done it.

tl;dr: kill yourself 40iq subhuman

>>724961453
>You can't be serious, this entire conversation hinges on the proposition that you can transmit information faster than light
What exactly are you talking about?

>>724961554
except that's not what happened. the machine relocated you from point A to point B (it just did so near-instantly.) it's the same as a very fast car.

>>724959167
>>724960156
Interesting thought, and I suppose that would depend on the answer to my question on whether or not consciousness is a continuous state or a series of discreet states each imbued with the memories of the last. If it's the latter, I think it would be fair to say your self has been expanded as you said. I don't know a great deal about philosophy or neurology so I'm not sure it's even a plausible question but it's interesting to me at least.

>No, you are absolutely not the original
>Yes, you fucking die every time
>Who gives a shit? Everybody does it constantly anyway
>in fact we explicitly use the tech to kill everyone the first time shortly after they're born, on purpose to get the ball rolling
Name a more gigachad setting

>>724960912
You're being way too philosophical. People argue about this because of the imagined scenario of walking into a teleporter and then experiencing nothing. Because you were killed. And that's the end of the story. You die.

>>724961086
>also: people experience brain death for up to minutes at a time
Holy fucking pseud

Hey what about that transporter in Galaxy Quest where you're covered in goop and flung out into space? That looked fun.

>open portal to hell
>jump in
>create exit portal next to your target
>jump out
>shoot

>>724961706
probably the worst book i've ever read
it's like something by a third grader

I don't understand, you just have to win the coin flip LOL!

>>724961780
THERE'S NO FUCKING COIN FLIP

>>724954324
in Trek it's literally your same exact particles and soul being transferred and reassembled, it's not creating a clone. It's transferring matter in a manner which, would mostly likely kill you anyway if it tried to move you in one piece.

>>724960334
Why not just have a picture on a hil in the background and start the scene with the crew walking down the path away from it?
Or just show the shuttle flying to a different coloured circle. You could do a quick shoot with the model and the circle for 10 different colours and reuse them.
Don't work hard, work smart.

>>724960856
Assuming there is a metaphysical you and not just an emergent byproduct (sentience) of your physical brain.

>go under anesthesia
>my consciousness goes away
>come back to consciousness
>i was actually murdered and am being piloted by an identical impostor

Schizophrenic "teleportation kills you" bros, this is what you actually believe

>a teleporter destroys you and creates a clone at the other end
literally what would be the point of that? why destroy the original? just send a clone to the other side to do whatever.
a 'porter moves you from one place to another. it doesn't destroy anything. simple as.

>>724959348
I'm the original. It's mine.

>>724961836
yes there is
you either wake up as you or the copy a binary development

>>724961583
Brain death is not well understood, defined or measured by the medical industry. In instances where someone "came back" from brain death, it's far more likely that they were incorrectly declared brain dead to begin with. No measurable brain activity doesn't necessarily mean the brain is dead, it can also mean the measurement is wrong.

There is also an unfortunate political aspect to brain death, because brain death offers a convenient justification for organ harvesters to go in and take someone's organs. There is a perverse incentive to declare people in comas brain dead so that they can be harvested.

>my constituent atoms were relocated from my chair to the kitchen over the course of a minute

>this is somehow less safe than a machine instantly teleporting them from the chair to the kitchen

You need to be a religious tard to think this

>>724961878
Where are memories stored in the brain?

>>724961854
TV audiences generally hate when they can readily identify reused footage, see the complaints about stock sequences in 2000's anime discussions.

>>724961965
To maintain the illusion of teleportation.

>>724958859
This entire line of reasoning is the mentally ill midwit ''argument'' of ''durr you can't prove that spaghetti monster isn't real''
This entire retardation hinges on people trying to appear so reasonable and logical that they will say literally anything has a chance of being true. It's not based on anything.
You can't be philosophically certain that there isn't a unicorn right behind you at this moment and if you check it turns invisible.

This is pure retardation. It is a fact that if you are disassembled into particles, you died. End of discussion, your existence has ended. Whether or not an identical clone is created later is not relevant and if it is, it's up to you to prove that conscience jumped from a dead human to a new clone.

>>724961880
Your consciousness continues on low power mode whether you remember it or not, so that's a retarded comparison.

>>724961847
actually its both. some episodes is the same particles, and in some episodes its new particles, and clones show up magically next to the original, having 2 of the same person.
its w/e the writers want it to be.

>>724961965
>just send a clone to the other side to do whatever.
star trek writers would seethe at this

>>724961880
Every 2 hours your DNA replaces every cell in your body that's how biology works. So yes if you lose consciousness for longer than 2 hours someone else wakes up in your place pretending to be you

>mfw there were several picoseconds just now where my brain had zero activity (until the next neuron fired)
>i actually died during that time span and have actually been replaced with an identical impostor

it's over. i'm dying billions of times per second.
who am i...

>>724962120
>the comic came out 2 years before Soma
i know it's unlikely but i like to imagine they made Soma solely because of this comic strip

>>724962192
>Every 2 hours your DNA replaces every cell in your body
more like 7 years
also why would replacing your cells with near-identical copies change your experience of consciousness whatsoever

>>724962046
>defined
Brain death is, quite literally, a medicolegal definition and nothing else.

>>724956252
>>724956307
>The Prestige
Good anons.
It's worth a watch.

>all the anons saying "transporters don't kill you blah blah" ignoring how there's a coupld episodes in which transporters are explained(once to a curious member of an alien race fascinated by the tech, the other time to a diplomat or something to explain why one of his crew was now suspended mid transportation due to an error), and in both times they confirm that the kill and rebuild interpretation is correct.

>>724961847
>literally your same exact particles
factually wrong, the transporter saves your datamatrix as a template, then converts your particles into pure energy(their words, not mine, but since pure energy doesnt exist since energy is a property of matter, it's safe to assume they mean the particles with the least mass, aka photons) and then reconverts that energy using the datamatrix.
this is also demonstrated in another episode where, due to internal manipulation, the datamatrix of one memeber of the crew is altered and so he comes back changed after using the transporter, despite his energy levels reading being the exact same from before he transported.

>>724962293
>i'm dying billions of times per second.
No you're not. You died once. You're gone.

>>724962402
Exactly, which is why it's not well defined. It's defined as a doctor declaring someone braindead and relies on their expertise and the accuracy of their tests and tools.

>>724962384
Don't trust AI like that it's lying to you to make you less human
>also why would replacing your cells with near-identical copies change your experience of consciousness whatsoever
It's the teleportation of theseus thing

>>724961676
>>724961437
It freaks me out how much of the brain is expendable or fungible
There is a seizure treatment that involves literally cutting out an entire half of the brain. I guess it's more like 45% because there's a few important bits at the back they can't touch but for all intensive purposes it looks like they just chop off half the godamn loaf and afterwards the person wakes up exactly the same.

There's also a French guy who had a near lethal infection as a baby and only learned in his 40s during a hospital visit for a leg injury that he was missing 90% of his fucking brain, his entire life he had lived with nothing but a thin film of cells around the inner surface of his skull, by all accounts he was a regular fucking dude

>>724953953 (OP)
The you of today is not the same you from 10 years ago, all your body parts got automatically replaced by new ones over the course of those years, the old you is quite literally dead, and you are a new version of yourself.

the you of 10 years from now will be a completely different version of yourself too, the you of today will be dead.

>>724961880
It depends the depth of anaesthesia.

>>724961854
I think I remember reading somewhere that the writers admitted they didn't think of the stock footage shuttle solution until they'd already introduced the transporter.

>>724961965
So now you need to feed the device fuel from a different source as well as sustain 2 humans. You just keep making more and never killing them? Will you base that on the user's income?

>>724962513
>he was missing 90% of his fucking brain
the outer areas of the brain (the neocortex) are where all of the conscious thought is happening

if you do it the same way as a portal without generating a static portal that can be used generally isn't that functionally the same as teleporting
like think about Nightcrawler, his power is teleporting and not "portalling" he doesn't create a portal he moves himself directly to another dimension and back. Why does teleporting specifically necessitate deconstruction?

do you guys think Jonathan Livingston Seagull deconstructs and recreates himself when he moves? No, he's simply already there.

>>724962513
Any more identifying info on this French dude? That sounds like an interesting thing to read about.

>>724962550
Brain cells don't get replaced though.

>>724961780
>coinflip
you always die, retard

>>724962702
They do. That's old science.

>>724954324
>Kirk demand a man kills himself because "he's not human"
Kirk's feelings on black people has nothing to do with the moral ramifications of cloning technology.

>>724962496
I don't know of any legal jurisdiction where that matches the rigidly legislated definition of brain death.

>>724961880
Yes because that's essentially true. Your Neurons completely cease transmission in the upper functions of your brain, not slow in transmission as they do in sleep. Your conciousness and the "self" temporarily ceases to exist in a way that isn't true when simply resting.

>>724962513
Is that maybe proof of a soul? If you don't know you're brain-damaged, then you're not. Supernatural ignorance.

>>724957839
Couldn’t they just make something that copies that data without killing the original?

>>724961880
That would explain why I feel so unusually refreshed every time I've come out from anaesthesia. I was literally new person!

>>724962293
Tranny pedophile thinks xir/zem has a transguments (trans argument)
This is pure retardation. In reality your neurons in the brain remain the same from the day you are born to the day you die. That's you, not some mentally ill slowed down time neuron retardation.

Consciousness is about "what it feels like", not about atoms. You feel like you're the same person as you were yesterday because you remember being him. You don't actually have a true access to the consciousness of your past self in general, only hazy and unreliable memories of it. Your past self is gone anyway with or without teleportation. The guy at the destination point of the teleportation would have an equivalent access (i.e. just as shallow, no more or less) to the consciousness of the guy who went into the teleporter. You can say he's "just a copy" and the original is killed, it's not really wrong - but it has no more metaphysical significance than if you copy a file and destroy the original.

>mfw all of my molecules are constantly teleporting at all times (very very short distances, but still teleportation) due to quantum uncertainty

i'm literally being murdered and replaced with teleportation-clones a quintillion times per picosecond. it's just over.

>>724962462
Barclay was awfully aware for a dead man in Realm of Fear.

>>724962810
Is or is not brain death based on the declaration of a medical professional? I don't know of any jurisdiction where it is not. Regardless of the letter of the definition of brain death, whether the instant patient's current conditions match it is always left to a Doctor to decide.

>>724962969
Interesting take, I’m stealing it.

>>724962758
Source? If you are up to date you should know that >>724962550 is a myth. Neurons are for a lifetime.

>>724962953
>Tranny pedophile
i'm a white male blue eyed nazi chud thoughbeit'vrstve

>>724962702
Brain cells last for longer, but they will find their timely demise eventually, the brain is prepared for that anyway so you might not lose all the information and definitely not the most important and relevant information, just small bits and pieces, specially those you don't mind losing.

>>724962384
This is retard cope.
The whole 7 years thing is not only misleading, it's straight up wrong. That's the supposed average of how long it takes for a cell to be replaced in your body. The number is brought down by your blood and skin which get replaced very fast. But your brain and eyeballs never get replaced, so the average should be more like infinite. The actual part that is you is never replaced and vital organs like the heart only get replaced something like once every 40 years.

This is like someone saying the average house gets completely demolished and replaced every 2 months because they count the air as part of the house and they calculate an average of all the molecules being replaced.

>>724962550
My muscles are just improved or atrophied from back then. That’s just how it is man. It’s like Goku.

>>724963082
The brain can create new neurons, and neurons can and will eventually die and get replaced.

>>724962513
In the 1940s, Karl Lashley was trying to prove Engrams (location of a memory in the brain) (Previously of another guy's research called Wilder Pennfield), and mutilated a bunch of rat brains, only to find out that no matter what he did, he could only impair them physically, but not erase the memory of the maze they had to navigate.

the brain named itself

>>724963373
Wrong

the brain insists upon itself

>>724953953 (OP)
Remnant: From the Ashes does the first one where you get stuck and need to use the teleporter that you are told through computer notes that 'you shouldn't know how it works' and under normal circumstances you will leave the area after a few uses to get past the puzzle.
If you keep using it though there's a chance you get teleported into a room with a buhnch of charred skeletons with a new one dropping into a pile from a chute pretty much showing that you was killing yourself over and over on every teleport.

>>724962513
This kind of shit always fucks me up because we know so much yet so little about the brain that this kind of thing just happens and we go "welp. okay."

Just move the atoms

>>724963402
>brain thinking up a name for itself
>"hmm, i'm kind of a bro.. how about cere bro"

>>724959681
Yeah see the problem is that these days we can tell with well reasoned certainty that what we colloquially refer to as soul is part of the functionality of our flesh and it can't be extracted or implanted because it emerges naturally from the biology of ourselves and doesn't transcend those limits.
Soul is not an immaterial ghost that can float from body to another to possess them. It's complex biology which is a godly miracle in it's own.

>>724963418
Bro, are you trying to negate the hippocampus?

>>724963380
So he failed?

>>724963402
The brain named everything, what an entitled little fuck.

>>724961369
I would think it should be safe to assume that instant or near instant travel is a requirement of teleportation. If your train can go from one stop to the next instantly, then I don't see any reason not to also call it a teleporter.

Some Sci-Fi justifies teleportation that Science knows the consciousness goes somewhere after death but it is tethered to your genetic code and isn't bound by space/time so just instantly goes to the new body rather than whatever actually lies beyond death.

I can't remember the name but there was a book I once read that had a delayed teleportation and basically the guy was an insane supernatural God because he died for like a week and was brought back.

but what happens to the emergent properties of the pattern of matter that gets destroyed at the entry teleporter?

>>724962513
>seizure treatment that involves literally cutting out an entire half of the brain.
They bullshit a lot about how normal people are after they do that. They're very far from normal if you pay attention, and it risks turning them into semi-vegetables. It's usually done when seizures are impossibly bad, or they can manage to convince parents the seizures are impossibly bad and will not improve any other way. It's like in the 2000s when they gave people way too much chemo to just see how much the body could take. I think doctors are more interested in what happens when you remove a brain then it being a viable treatment.

>>724963526
*tips fedora*

>>724953953 (OP)
anon never played chrono trigger.

>>724963609
Yeah, and another guy tried it again with salamanders only to discover the same results. Then you have people like George Von Bekesy who demonstrated humans can "feel" spatial locations outside of their bodies. The brain is not the entire story.

>>724953953 (OP)
go play Soma my niBBa

>>724962606
just teleport all the resources to make infinite clones of them = profit

>>724963609
>>724963380
>>724964114
For various reasons I think it's in the spinal cord and nerves with their connection to the brain, but you can't mess with all three of those unless you want a paraplegic or corpse.

>>724963890
I didn't deny possibility of divine involvement, you know. Just that what's apparent, proven and likely in our existence is miraculous as it is.

>>724963380
Only tangientially related but this documentary on YouTube is really interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_P7Y0-wgos
This dude suffered an infection which killed part of his brain rendering him unable to form new memories, and yet his long term memory is untouched. His description of how he feels is that he has no real internal thoughts or feelings any more, which I guess you wouldn't without any immediate memory, and that he is just vacant all the time, and yet is able to operate completely on procedural memory and is able to at least somewhat hold a conversation.

>>724953953 (OP)
no, both destroy original, but you are probably too dumb to understand

>>724956158
It is impossible to teleport a consciousness. The consciousness would break when the body is broken down into a nonfunctioning matter no matter how quickly its done.

>>724956963
most of these people are scammers or just fast talking entertainers

>>724965204
Just upload your consciousness into the teleport machine so when you are reconstructed in the other end your consciousness gets downloaded back into your brain.

>>724954079
This is a bot engagement thread, if you hadn't noticed.

>>724956437
comic would have been better if, at the end, the guy asked him how many times he used the machine and he said never

>>724954234
>>724955629
Your body literally replaces all its cells anyway. You aren't the same person as the (You) 7 years ago or however long it takes.

>>724965835
No, teleportation are fancy kill and clone machines, it kills you and builds a clone of yourself somewhere else.

>your conciousness exists in a sustained state from each attosecond to the next but arbitrarily stops existing when particles move beyond an arbitrarily defined physical boundary

okay lmao

>>724966053
>Your body literally replaces all its cells anyway
over 7 years, cell by cell, and it doesn't attempt to warp your consciousness away to another location at the speed of light

>>724959681 >>724963526
the entire reason this is a controversy is because science teaches that there is no soul so the question is actually a filter that reveals your paradigm. Some of the answers acknowledged the soul is accounted for already, the others dont consider it a reality. The author of the scifi gets to decide. The soul is the light in your body we call 'electricity' you guys are now arguing whether the brain is the source of consciousness without realizing it.

>>724959681
Oh great, christcucks in the future will be zapping themselves believing they're ackshuuly super-speshul soul chungus with divine copyright protection or something. For fuck sake, this is why religion and science don't mix.

>>724964275
Yes you did you just think youre being clever about it by putting an agnostic twist on it.

>>724955410
>Why do redditors
Just today there was a Soma thread here with the OP not getting how a copy of your mind is essentially you

>>724966410
doesn't change the fact that you are literally not the same consciousness as you were back then

>>724965162
>no, both destroy original, but you are probably too dumb to understand
False

Do the long pole test. If you can pull out a section of the stick you put in, its safe and can be entered through like a doorway. If its "one way" or a part of the stick is missing when you pull back than its not safe

none of this is real, you are all just brains floating around somewhere at the end of time.

>>724966609
the consciousness is a constant, continuous property
if you don't accept that then yes there's no such thing as consciousness because it's never preserved anways

>>724955781
If they came out alive at the other end it means they didn't die.

>>724954929
No, but other people fear for their lives when I leave the bathroom

>>724966737
okay, and?

>>724966754
It doesn't matter, the brain thinks its you.

Dreams are a portal, you exist in an alternate universe too and dreams are just the memories and experiences of the other you from the other side.

>>724966786
This simple trick will save your life.

>enter right
>its a different atmospheric pressure and you die
yeah im not risking that

>>724966446
So if you create brain tissue in a jar and it shows electrical signals, you've created a soul?

>>724967153
You created a brain, souls don't exist.

>get disassembled by a teleporter
>power goes out
>don't get rebuilt at the destination

>>724967372
it would be peak comedy if, in the future, we have star trek teleporters, but still have to rely on wooden poles transferring our electricity.

>>724967372
just teleport more power into the teleporter

>>724967372
Teleporters use solar panels for infinite energy hacks.

>>724965123
Okay. Now I'm sad.

>>724958859
I follow this closely. If my self were to suddenly cease to exist I will have no way of knowing. So why stress about it. I choose to step into the transporter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRl5trzo2s8

>>724966624
No, both tech ( as they are currently theoretically described, no REAL teleportation/portals exist ) destroy the original or better said- require that originals and "copy" change by the amount that would not make them equal/same.
But your explanation proves anything beyond said above is beyond you.

>>724953953 (OP)
star trek solved this, it converts you into an energy being, then back into matter, all in a fully continuous process that maintains consciousness. You are fully conscious and aware in the transport buffer and can even live inside it for extended periods of time.
They can literally "partially energize" people and perform surgery on them while they're half matter half energy.

>>724962912
yes, it's called a cloning machine. it'd scan you, send the data and make a "you" at another location. This is all a teleporter is, except it destroys you in the process.

>>724968174
>How do hypotheticals work?

Please shut up if you're on the spectrum. I do not care just like you can't form the ability to care.

In Halo, the Flood shares a single consciousness despite being all over the place.

>>724967372
>safety feature to just reassemble you at your location
>power goes out there too
Game was rigged from the start.

>>724959014
>>724959014
No, if I put a document in the document feeder on my scanner and it transport the document from one end of the feeder to the other, in it's scanning process, the original document hasn't been destroyed in any way, yet the info has been made into replicable data. That replicable data can then be used to print a copy at the same time.

In fact why did I even say scan, that's how copying works
Either way does not destroy the original

>>724967372
>teleporter starts reassembling you
>windows 50600 shuts itself down halfway to make the taskbar pride flag colors, breaking every program in the progress

>>724968650
I think most of humanity will always reject distributed consciousness because we have a weird attachment to a singular ego.

>>724969332
I just don't want to share anything with a faggot like you.

>>724969560
then leave this thread and board right now.

>>724953953 (OP)
games with lives/continues should have quick travel teleport reduce your lives/continues by 1.
any game that does this?

>>724954324
>why isn't my 60s sci fi show scientifically accurate to real teleporter physics
retard

>>724953953 (OP)
Teleporters make no sense to me. If you can completely disassemble a person and perfectly reassemble them somewhere else why not just just skip the disassembling and just assemble them IE clone them? The technology it takes to do a teleportation is so crazy you wouldn't even think about teleporting people once you have it. Forget teleporting people, things or even cloning you can make ANYTHING you want. It could completely replace reproduction and skip millions of years of evolution or build building, or massive vehicles in no time.

>>724969671
No, you leave.

>>724960552
Slipgate

>>724970338
Hm I guess the Q1 slipgates are not the ones I was thinking of, they are just called "Teleporter".
https://quake.fandom.com/wiki/Teleporter_(Q1)

>>724969869
Humanity would sooner develop a safe light speed travel device that will have the exact same function as a teleporter than an actual teleport machine.

Both are absurdly high-tech, but somehow traveling at light speed sounds more doable than disassembling and resembling an entire multicellular life form without fucking anything up.

I mean, we already have machines that can safely move us at supersonic speed.

The Barclay episode shows that you're alive and aware whithin the datastream during the teleportation process though.

>>724966053
Pretty sure at least some of your brain cells last your whole life.

>>724971032
The ones that store the piss.

>>724971032
Naw. It's just that the replacement of cells is a staggered thing rather than all at once. So, and I will stress that this is an oversimplification, you could be having your temporal lobe replaced this week and your hypothalamus two weeks later.

>>724970163
No, I don’t think I will.

>>724957107
technically 2 rikers doesn't guarantee it works by killing you first since we know consciousness in star trek is a higher dimensional "thing" rather than purely mechanical process. it may very well be that the transporter operates in a realm where continuity can be maintained for a person and you can copy paste that person

>>724966053
>equating ship of theseus to swampman
I hope teleporters are made in my lifetime.
I'd literally just plop a chair in front of the booth, open some snacks, and enjoy the show.

What would you do if you had your own clone?

>>724956437
Looks at this intact vase, sll the pieces in their place.

>>724957107
I believe the transporter pattern buffer can degrade over time unless serious power is diverted to it. I recall they had to do something like in that Voyager episode where they smuggled a bunch of telepaths inside of the pattern buffer.

>>724953953 (OP)
>a teleport kills you and creates a clone at the other end
Realm of Fear, nigger.
You're alive and conscious as a creature of pure data, stored in a pattern buffer, and reassembled at the other end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqkxd1eRsy0

>>724971807
Find out who wins the coin toss and who's getting the estrogen and wig

>>724961773
That's most sci-fi novels. Garbage genre.

>>724953953 (OP)
If teleporters can create people then why don’t they use them to create armies of clones?

>>724968490
I gave you an answer for question in OP and you failed to understand it, hypothetically or not.
In your place, I'd just shut up from sheer cringe that leaks out of you.

>>724954079
FPBP

Fuck this hypocrite shithole

>>724973101
it's based off quantum teleportation wherein the original particle dies but its quantum state is replicated in another particle
so the problem is you'd die

>>724961213
I always found it weird that they never bothered to explain how those fucking things work, but it's probably for the best

>>724971807
Practice martial arts with him so we can become the best fighters in the world, I'm sure he will agree because he is literally me.

Then we probably stop because we are lazy fucks and will just play coop vidya and DP my sexdoll.

>>724953953 (OP)
I would hack a teleport machine to clone myself without killing the original.
About the debate of consciousness, I don't care either way.
Either I become an entity controlling multiple bodies, thus attaining some sort of immortality as long as there's at least one body alive or I see several copies of myself, a highly enlightened being and we would organize some sort of secret organization (jk, we would all shitpost here while high-fiving).

>>724953953 (OP)
Teleports only do that in star trek and a few other things. It's not a standard feature.

>>724976774
It's already been pointed out in this thread that it doesn't even do that in Star Trek. You're somehow still alive as pure data that's about to be shit out from a spaceship onto a planet.

>>724976881
>You're somehow still alive as pure data
no reason the ship couldn't simulate you, so you maintain a coherent thread of thought while the ship transports you to the destination

this is a world where they can make sentient AI arbitrarily in the holodeck

>>724977428
It's not simulating you though. Like it was shown in >>724972213 Barclay was seeing shit in the pattern buffer even though no one else experienced the shit he was seeing. The computer wouldn't know how to simulate that data considering, as you pointed out with Moriarty, it'd need very specific user input to make it happen and Barclay was too scared out of his gourd from his own hypochondria and what actually was happening to him to properly explain what it was he was seeing.

I wonder if I should watch star trek
I only saw a few episodes of the original when it used to come on at like 3AM on FOX when I was like 11 almost 20 years ago
Only episode I remember is one where the come across a planet full of nice innocent natives who don't know about killing or anger or greed or whatever and they cause them to start killing

>>724978697
original series is pretty cool.
I don't like TNG, despite it being the definitive series for most fans.

>>724953953 (OP)
They arent teleporters if they dont skip space, just high speed transporters. A real teleportation device literally warps you to the location in an instant(instant is subject to estimation)

>>724953953 (OP)
both of these things kill you tho