Thread 725026721

On one hand I feel like they trivialize the shit out of the game, and my first instinct is to not build them.

On the other hand the alternative to this is spending several hours grinding emeralds to buy dozens of overpriced enchantment books. There is no way to avoid this because some of them can only be obtained through trading (like Mending).

And if you want to get the other enchantments the traditional way, you'll have to grind even more with the enchantment table.

So it almost seems like the trading hall is the lesser evil.

What I do is build a minimalist trading hall just to get enchantments. After that, I dismantle it so as to not fall into the temptation of using it for anything else.

>>725026721 (OP)
What the fuck is a trading hall

trading is lame

>>725026721 (OP)
If the game allows it, and Minecraft is a game where the player is in full control of what they build, use and do, then it's perfectly okay

>>725026956
A structure where you gather villagers and hold them in place so that you can trade with them. It also includes a mechanism to zombify them so that you can heal them and enjoy extremely cheap trades. It allows you to get stuff like full diamond armor for free.

>>725026721 (OP)
There needs to be a better way of getting enchantments that doesn't
>take an entire irl day of grinding to get your gear back if you die
and
>isn't too easy to where you'll have full enchants as soon as you start a world
Trading halls seem to be the only decent solution to both of these problems as of now, the only issue is that the devs keep nerfing trading instead of coming up with a better way to get enchants.

It's a farm like any other.

>>725026721 (OP)
all you have to do is mine enough iron for a bucket of water and you have achieved nigh immortality
no need for your fancy "emeralds" or "diamonds" armors

>>725027137
fishing
>luck of the sea now scales up to level 10
>but you can only fish up level 1/2 LotS books
>at level 10 you only get treasure, with a boost to enchants

>>725027137
>>take an entire irl day of grinding to get your gear back if you die
keep inventory is a godsent

the moment they added an enchantment system that takes dozens of in-game hours to add enchantments, AND added bullshit bosses like warden or wither, sorry but this game just wasn't meant for you to lose your inventory on death

>trading halls are a solution to having full enchants as soon as you start a world
Anon it takes 1 hour in a scratch world to build a trading hall and get full enchants. I am assuming for this you would need to build a villager breeder. If you skip this it's even faster.

>>725027136
Ok thanks
I feel like if you go through the effort to do all that and make it nice then it’s kinda acceptable
Especially when half the time they die to random shit if left alone

>>725027349
It's extremely easy to build

>>725026721 (OP)
Minmaxing isn't playing videogames. It's just a substitute for success irl.
Actually play the game you faggot

>>725026721 (OP)
The whole trading system is retarded. All of the traders should have a rotating stock that changes every day and every trader of the same type has the same inventory for that day. Then add ways to "level up" a trader to increase it's inventory size and increase the chance of rarer items appearing

>>725026721 (OP)
i only do this shit for mending and even then only on vanilla
wrangling villagers is not a good use of my time

>>725027661
>only on vanilla
Are there mods that can make getting Mending easier?

>>725027789
yes, quite a few mods implement deterministic ways to get specific enchanting books instead of faffing around with villager deal RNG, including Mending
personally i prefer alternative ways of repairing gear instead of needing to carry one specific enchant on each piece of gear

>>725028137
>quite a few mods
Such as?

>>725027302
The risk of losing your inventory on death is what makes Minecraft one of the best horror games.

>>725028325
just get back to your corpse? if you died to lava/fire/cactus, holy shit acquire skill immediately
even if you don't not a single item you have in your inventory is irreplaceable

>>725026721 (OP)
Without creating builds for automating and replenishing your resources, there isn't much reason to persist in a survival world

>>725028619
Well you can build

>>725026721 (OP)
How can you trivialize something that is trivial to begin with. Because that's what Minecraft is. You go and mine emerald for hours which isn't challenging in any way, just time consuming, and then what? Then you buy enchantments, which trivialize the game. So if you are worried about trivializing something, maybe don't use enchantments at all, and even then minecraft remains a toddler game.

>>725026721 (OP)
I've played minecraft for more than a decade and have never completed a playthrough.

>>725030375
>completed a playthrough
There is no point in killing the dragon so that isn't saying much

>>725026956
Concentration camp for Villagers.

>>725030375
>I've played minecraft for more than a decade
That is ridiculously pathetic.

>>725026721 (OP)
are you fucking retarded?

>>725031078
At least I have something to show for it. Can't be as pathetic as wasting years playing games that EOS anyways

>>725030750
>There is no point in killing the dragon
How is there no point in killing the dragon, retard?
>credits drop (formal acknowledgment that you beat the game)
>access to the end poem, which is one of the only ways to interact with Minecraft's lore
>unlocks The End
>gives access to the elytra, shulker chests and end cities filled with the best loot in the game
>allows farming endermen

It's one of the most important milestones in the game

>>725031332
>(formal acknowledgment that you beat the game)
if you need this then you're a normalfag that should be working like a good goy instead of talking on the evil anonymous imageboard.

>>725031332
>gives access to the elytra, shulker chests and end cities filled with the best loot in the game
Trivial shit. Minecraft is a sandbox game. If you want extra trivial shit to do play terraria

>>725031461
>he quits games before reaching the end and pretends he actually finished them
>>725031489
>hurr so you get more game but why would you want more game when you can play another game instead

/v/ is so fucking retarded

>>725026721 (OP)
Minecraft is a shit game. Who cares?

>>725031461
I bet he plays games on steam so he can show off achievements too lmao

>>725026721 (OP)
There is nothing even resembling a meaningful challenge to overcome in Minecraft. The entire point of the game is comfy exploration, base-building in random map seeds, digging and gathering resources from the underground, and scaling your operation based on a few funny resources and tools you want access to. If you want to tard wrangle villagers to make that process simpler, it's no different than some redstone automation engine that churns out a material for you instead of forcing you to do the work for it.

>>725031540
>nooo i NEED the game to tell me that im the super star winner or i wont feel good about myself!
holy fuck you really are a normalfag.

>>725031540
More good game. After you get bored of the Nether you either stop or switch to mods. The end is pointless garbage

>>725026721 (OP)
trading was an entirely awful idea

>>725026721 (OP)
>trading hall
>emerald grinding
Nah, that's too much work. All I need is an iron farm, skelly farm, and instant carrot farm

>>725027137
enchantments are also a wholly awful idea

really, almost everything past crafting bench and furnace were mistakes

>>725031332
>>gives access to the elytra, shulker chests and end cities filled with the best loot in the game
>after you beat the game
And this is why you need mods if you want any fun out of Minecraft

>>725032282
Anon the elytra and the chests are for building

And nowadays there is so much content to do after beating the dragon. Like the wither.

>>725032826
Creative mode is for building and wither is a pointless boss that can be killed before the end dragon

>>725026721 (OP)
I think you only really need a mending villager, you can do everything else with an enderman farm for enchantments
mending is only really a band-aid solution because tools really should be unbreakable in the endgame so you can just do various projects as you like but enchanting as a whole should just be overhauled to be less random and mending mostly locked behind the ender dragon (it could be common loot in end cities and very rare from loot chests in the overworld and nether)
mass librarian trading should be an alternative as a late game project and not expected

>>725033518
Yes lets lock more shit behind the end of the game so you get access to it after you have nothing left to do

It's a good thing you are not a game dev (hopefully)

>>725026721 (OP)
Minecraft is a dogshit game even with mods and stuff like this is proof. play something else

>>725033904
does it count if i turn minecraft into a completely different game?

>>725033904
interesting how these posts always fail to name a "something else" to play

>>725034305
>survival experience
vintage story
>techtism
go deeper into the realm of modding and >>725034234

>>725034363
>even with mods
>suggests a modpack
put those goalposts back

vintage story is garbage btw

>>725026721 (OP)
It's not cheating unless you're installing a cheat client. In Minecraft no one gives a shit if you "beat the game" because you can do it with barebones gear just by getting eyes of ender early on.

Enchanting is bullshit anyways so villagers just sidestep it

>>725034518
im not him, just stating my personal preferences. he's also probably refering to mods as vanilla+ and not "this is no longer minecraft" mods
>vintage story is garbage btw
i like it for the survival aspects.
i could see why you'd like minecraft over VS if you prefer building and hate survival elements.

>>725027510
>All of the traders should have a rotating stock that changes every day and every trader of the same type has the same inventory for that day.
I think the shared stock should be limited to a radius/single village. Each village has a pre-set list of daily restocks per profession, so you're encouraged to visit different villages and plan a trade route.

I made a very simple thread asking people their personal thoughts about trading halls and there is not one single on-topic reply. It's either people misunderstanding the question and saying "you can do whatever you want" (yes obviously but what do YOU think, would YOU do it?) or just saying "hurf durf look at me saying minecraft is a shit game in 2025, I am such a smart contrarian"

bump until one of you faggots reply on topic

>>725034927
All that will do is make people build multiple trading posts

>>725034628
>getting eyes of ender early on
How early are we talking here?

>>725035564
Your topic is ass and you are a faggot

Anything more complicated than a cobblestone generator or a simple redstone contraption has no business being in Minecraft. Any industrial-scale farm is absolutely fucking soulless and serves only to build further industrial-scale farms, alienating you from the actually charming gameplay elements of Minecraft. Designing your own farms is perfectly fine, but if you're just copying other players' designs to farm thousands of materials you'll never use, you're barely even playing Minecraft.

I do think Create is a great mod, however.

>>725037449
this

>>725026721 (OP)
I always trade hall in minecraft even if I don't need them.

I even pay venezuelan kids to build a trade halls for me on my savefiles then I chargeback and don't even use the trade halls they built

my trade hall design is always the least human as possible I Imagine the abominations you call villagers suffering eternally in their cuckboxes

villagers aren't humans they are eldritch horror that reproduces by gemmation. They need to be cleansed by magma

they should be extricated from the game they infested

>>725038061
>I even pay venezuelan kids to build a trade halls for me on my savefiles then I chargeback and don't even use the trade halls they built
Where do you hire this?

>>725026721 (OP)
This game shouldn't even have villagers.

>>725026956
It's one of the many solutions to the game's shit balancing that involves slavery and torture.

>>725026721 (OP)
>they trivialize the shit out of the game
it's a kids game, there are hundreds of ways you can break it

>>725026721 (OP)
Microsoft explicitly added it as a mechanic. You can choose not to use it as a challenge or something but just using intended game mechanics for their intended use is not cheating.
I mostly play older versions and I agree that modern villager trading trivialises a lot of the game. But that's the game modern mojang/microsoft have built. In older versions, enchantments used to be rare and valuable in the early game, and an endgame-ish resource once you built an XP farm like an end enderman dropper for example. In modern versions, enchantments are something you can get freely as soon as you gather some villagers together.

Similarly, in older versions tools would become gradually more expensive to repair so endgame sets would have to be periodically replaced once grinding the XP for a repair would no longer be viable, and also you had to strategise to enchant the item in the correct sequence to minimise the cost upfront. In newer versions there's Mending for repairing your tool forever and you only need a new one if you fall in the void or something. In older versions if you wanted to build a tall base you'd install an elevator, if you wanted to go fast you'd walk or install an ice boat road; in newer versions you just use the elytra to go wherever you want. It's just how the game has changed.

>>725027137
>>take an entire irl day of grinding to get your gear back if you die
They changed the max enchant from 50 to 30 many years ago and they changed the actual enchant cost from the full 30 levels to just taking 2-3 also years ago. Proper enchanting is easy as fuck as soon as you have a starter XP farm. You can even do it with a shitty early game overworld mob grinder, even though going to the end to build and enderman farm is also not difficult.

>>725026721 (OP)
The amount of effort it takes to make them (herding villagers is a pain in the ass) makes it OK.

>>725031332
just ignore the dragon and pillar over to the end islands

>>725031332
A post it note that reads "YOU DID IT!" would be more fulfilling than Minecraft's lame "ending."

>>725037449
Automation is more fun than mindlessly doing chores.

>>725038061
>They need to be cleansed by magma
>not cleansing them with powdered snow so they get a taste of what's coming after they die
to each their own

>>725032163
Your idea of a good time sounds boring.
>oh boy time to play a building sandbox game
>what should I do first?!
>I could smelt iron
>or I could build wooden blocks
>with this many options I'll never run out of fun stuff to do!
What a joke.

>>725042146
/v/ is retarded and I'm pretty sure 90% of these people never even played beta minecraft, they are probably underagers larping and imitating the opinion of oldfags that probably don't even hold these retarded takes anymore

>>725039832
true
villages ruin the atmosphere of being alone in the world
I hated them when they firs added vilages and I hate them now

>>725037449
The problem with automation is there's no point unless you're on a server with other people. What do I need 4 billion bread for? There's nothing to do in Minecraft with the stuff you find or create except horde it.

>>725032282
>there's no point in beating the dragon!
>yeah look at the cool stuff you have access too
>SHIT GAME I NEED TO MOD IT IN IT'S BULLSHIT THAT IT'S BEHIND THE DRAGON
I hate you faggots so much.

It needs to be easy and economical to do alchemy and enchanting in the early game. An alchemy stand and enchanting table should be incredibly cheap. The value should be in the materials and levels.

>>725042263
Exactly. I'm convinced it's just a running contrarian joke that people obsess over older versions of Minecraft. I get that not everything that's been added is revolutionary but it's not like the old shit gets taken away.

>>725042346
Automation lets you accumulate items.

Item accumulation forces you to upgrade your storage.

Upgrading your storage means building a bigger base overall.

Building a bigger base requires automation unless you want to spend hundreds of hours gathering resources.

It's a pretty decent gameplay loop.

Also the goal of minecraft past the ender dragon is building shit. If you dislike building, you will dislike minecraft unless you install adventure mods.

>>725042446
The only real issue is blaze rods. Finding a fortress in the nether is basically impossible. Everything else you mentioned is pretty easy to do in about an hour. Hell even alchemy tables can be looted from villages.

>>725042446
Actually, fuck levels. Enchanting should only use lapis.

>>725042498
Sure, but at some point you're just looking at a giant empty building full of items you'll never use and no one to share it with. At least for me that's where I lose interest. Why build giant castle #69420 when no one will ever see it or care?

>>725042825
Do you only do something when it earns you people's approval or what? It's a single fucking player game. I build because it is fun, and it is also satisfying to walk around the world I've had for years and see everything built.

If you want approval points that hard you can screenshot it, post it on reddit and get these juicy upvotes that you yearn for.

And newsflash: no one cares about what you build even if it's a server.

>>725026721 (OP)
building farms is explicitly a core part of minecraft
do you also think exp should only be allowed to drop when going out at night and fighting random mobs?

Movement creep and RPG mechanics ruined Minecraft.

>>725042371
>>yeah look at the cool stuff you have access too
>>cool stuff
Lol wut?

>>725043147
I'm just sad that rails got left behind

>>725026721 (OP)
the problem's enchanting, always has been and always will be until mojang pulls their heads from their asses and reworks it to either be more in line with Old Minecraft where all tools were ultimately disposable consumable items that you're not supposed to get all that attached to except for shiny gold to show off with, or take it in a more conventional RPG direction like the rest of Modern Minecraft and make maintaining your high-level gear not tantamount to crushing your cock with a rock.

>>725026721 (OP)
>friend asks me to play minecraft since he knows I played it 10+ years ago
>builds a huge nether portal/trident pigman farm for xp
>builds a golem spawner to farm iron
>builds a tradehall for perfect trades
>weird hopper sorting system
>packed ice highways through the nether
>everything except diamonds is made totally worthless
this is nothing like I remember

>>725043367
They added a command that lets you change the maximum speed of minecarts.

>>725026721 (OP)
>old minecraft
>shack
>mountain bridge
>castle
>tower
>pixel art made from stone and wood

>nu minecraft
>xp farm
>enchanting room
>cow farm
>reed farm
>villager concentration camp
>iron farm
>creeper farm
>house from a tutorial made from terracota, cement, hardened clay or some other contrived block

>>725043516
>>725043680
minecraft never had much of a progression system, it was just resource gathering, crafting, building and only at the beginning you had to overcome survival obstacles.

but now everyone wants to play it like a normal game and complete tasks and quests. getting the best shit and farms to automate resources is essentially quests for them to complete and beat the game.

>>725037449
.....then don't install those mods onto your server?

>>725044028
>.....then don't install those mods onto your server?
He's talking about vanilla.

>>725026721 (OP)
I usually have a ton of villagers stuck in a small space for an iron farm, all fletchers. Using trapdoors I can give sticks to the fletchers, but since I have infinite emeralds and iron villagers have nothing else to give me that I'd want.

>>725026721 (OP)
I dont make them because I feel bad for the villagers and dont like craming them into tiny holes. Instead I just make more village houses and a big wall. This makes them safe and lets me build a cool big village that I can walk around in. Feels much cooler walking into a massive town instead of a warehouse filled with cuckpods.

>>725044997
>village with a big wall
This is what I do too, it's pretty fun to start out with a couple of shitshacks and a dirt wall with torches everywhere and slowly upgrade the place by farming, trading and upgrading the villagers and village into a city.

Early iron farms were kino
>cramming 40+ villages into minuscule spaces surrounded by a backrooms' worth of doors so that their thoughtform can manifest infinite iron for me onto surrounding spawning platforms
Modern iron farms are limpwristed and trading halls are downright luxury appartments for these testies

I love skyblock

>>725026721 (OP)
it's not cheating it just exposes a really bad game mechanic. breeding villagers is something you absolutely have to do to get mending, since mending is not in the enchanting table loot pool, and mending is the absolute "you must have this or look like a fuccboi" enchantment that saves you from wasting tons of time repairing or rolling new enchanted gear.

elytra absolutely requires mending, and you'll also want at least one pickaxe to start with that has mending, otherwise both just break and that's not fun.

what's worse is mojang is so retarded they think locking mending to a specific biome will somehow balance this. no it won't. all that means is some zoomzoom assholes will use a seed generation program to find a seed where all of those specific biomes generate close to each other, and they'll make over 9000 youtube videos on how to build the villager farms there.

the whole "you must waste your time to accomplish this" thing is also in other games like half life 1. those xen pools that regen your health really slowly. it's like +2 per second. obviously players are going to just sit there until their health is full, it may as well just double the +2 regen every second so the player can accomplish their goal and just move on.

minecraft could probably also do with some kind of mechanic where fulfilling specific requirements just gives them the enchantments they're looking for. you already know you need to kill the wither to make beacons, and blazes to make potions. locking the "you must absolutely do this now or the game can't continue" behind RNG or localized RNG is just bad game design.

>>725043680
any mods that keeps the old world generation?

>>725046723
It's genuinely baffling just how bad Minecraft's design is beyond the basic premise

>>725047121
Modern Beta
Moderner Beta

>>725044997
wtf I thought this was AI but there's an actual breed of sheep with huge ears like that.

>playing vanilla minecraft
lol!

>>725047414
i do wonder if under notch's control would minecraft have ever became the "dungeon crawler" blended with survival horror game it was inspired to be, or if it would have permanently stayed casual open world crafting kidslop.

i mean, from the time they were first added until now, the canonical "dungeons" haven't changed at all. it's still just a box. i'd like it if these were layered where every layer gets more challenging.

other than that, you can avoid raids. strongholds aren't challenging, they're annoying. abandoned mineshafts are actually kinda creepy and cool, but nothing really challenging happens in them aside from getting lost.

there's also no real challenge to any minecraft enemies. you can snipe everything and feel untouchable with infinity + flame, even endermen, you can just ignore them.

i don't know what to think of the trial chambers. i literally can't last long enough in a minecraft world to get geared up to challenge one of those before getting bored. they seem like they just emulate gachaslop.

>>725046723
test

>>725049358
did it work?

>>725049390
Yep some janny blocked me for 15 minutes but the mods denied his ban request kek

Alright faggots what farms do you always build in your minecraft world?
>iron farm
>villager breeder
>trading hall
>xp farm
>bamboo farm
I don't build sugarcane farms because they are pointless

>>725051061
None of these, farms are gay.

>>725026721 (OP)
it's my god given right to enslave these inhuman freaks and lock them in tiny cages for my convenience

>>725026721 (OP)
>cheatring
No. They are economies you build over time which produce more goods and revenue than you need giving you a major advantage.

You don't have to build them, but they are something practical which makes a lot of sense in-game, and mimics our own real world economies, if only slightly.

>>725026721 (OP)
Just play Vintage Story

>>725053680
>200 hours to build this ugly mess

>>725031078
>>725031314

Most zoomers have played it on and off since they were 11

>>725053969
took about 3 hours you brain dead troglodtye.

that big deer mount was made by a player on the server who receives commission for his work,

minecraft will NEVER be as good

>>725054764
>that big deer mount was made by a player on the server who receives commission for his work,

>>725026956
Aushwitz for minecraft villagers. arbriet macth frie!

>>725054764
>that big deer mount was made by a player on the server who receives commission for his work

>>725054764
>took about 3 hours you brain dead troglodtye.
it took you 3 hours after 197 hours crafting your tools you imbecile
>that big deer mount was made by a player on the server who receives commission for his work,
this is not the gotcha that you think it is you fucking loser

>>725044190
Then don't build those on your server......? Sir your free will?!

>>725042263
i'm not saying that nothing beyond crafting benches and furnaces should exist
i'm just saying everything we got is fucking awful

>>725042263
microshit stole my beta account

>>725057008
>>725055556
I accept your concession and (you)s animefags

>>725058669
having actual player community and economy in a game is a pretty good win when minecraft has NOTHING

and tools take an hour to get. just admit your a brain dead zoomer and play fortnight nigger

>>725026721 (OP)
villagers ruined minecraft

>>725026721 (OP)
It's better than making an xp farm, using the enchanting table and hoping that a level 30 enchantment has looting 3, silk touch or whatever else you want. The alternatives like fishing for hours on end to get a mending book or looking for special structures like temples aren't better. I just think the whole enchanting mechanic is fundamentally flawed.

>you want me to play the game?
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
>I NEED TO BUILD LE HECKIN AUTO FARMS FOR EVERY RESOURCERINO!!!!!
>BRO I FOUND THIS EPIC IRON GOLEM FARM DESIGN ON REDDIT!!! WOW SO EFFICIENT!!!!
>CAVES ARE S-S-S-S-SCARY I DONT WANT TO DIE WITH MY SUPER ENCHANTED NETHERITE ARMOR!!!!!!
>SO WHAT IF I GET BORED OF THE GAME IN 6 HOURS? I NEED EFFICIENCY!!!!!
>HOW DARE YOU EXPECT ME TO PLAY THE GAME

>play with my retarded friend on a server every once in a while
>builds some autistic iron farm over two days
>uses like one stack of iron from it
>stops playing
every fucking time