Thread 725027169

a lot posts say they hate the game but they don't give a real reason no genuine criticism so it comes off as bullshit bait / bitter nonsense

give me a real reason no bullshit

>also if you buy games cuz it's trendy and terns out you don't like it that's on you

I'll give you two.

Fetch quests.

And Lace.

>>725027169 (OP)
Popular bad
Obscure good

>>725027169 (OP)
the game was nothing short of amazing, any claims that it wasn't good are just bait

>>725027249
OP: ok why u didn't like Fetch quests.

and you get to smack Lace you know lol

post it

ojectivelly it's a very ugly game, enemy designs are just orbs with eyes, extremely lazy

I don't hate it, it just wasn't worth the 7 years of waiting

>>725027249
OP: just saying i liked both the quests and Lace and smacking Lace

>>725027169 (OP)
>yet another episode of silktrannies pretending their 2d unityslop shovelware is a heckin masterpiece

>>725027464
OP: give criticism or fuck off

>>725027169 (OP)
I don't hate it, I actually really liked it, but not as much as Hollow Knight. I think the silent protagonist was a better fit for Team Cherry's storytelling, because Hornet could be a real moodkiller sometimes

>>725027169 (OP)
I don't hate or dislike the game. It's just a bit frustrating on some places. I still prefer HK

>>725027406
OP: objectively bad opinion or just lies

>>725027367
Quests like the silver bells, roach guts, robes and pins and fleshlights that deserved to be in a WORSE game than Silksong.

Lace was a soggy pile of Japanese cartoon tropes from the turn of the century, and to hinge the entire plot trajectory upon her nonsensical motivations was narrative suicide.

Silksong is a great game, but these two incomprehensible parts of it bring the entire game down.

>>725027367
>>725027463
>>725027545
>>725027743
Go back to fucking reddit.

The music is sssssssssssssssssssssssssuckk ass.

>>725027602
OP: she's talking nonsense language tho

i kinda don't care much but i think it's better this way

PUSHANKA spam

>>725027249
almost if not all fetch quests in this game are just an excuse to go explore somewhere the player might've not explored yet and give him opportunities to discover something new

>>725027814
reddit is kinda meh

you cant swear

you gotta deal with carma shit

you could be talking to bots

it's . . . idk i don't think it's that good , any other options ?

>>725027743
HK is fucking ugly, everything is a round shape with stickman legs.
A 6 year old me could draw better

>>725027773
OP: these feel like nitpicks tho

>>725027545
It's way harder than HK and plenty of it is just annoying. There I said it, now what?

>>725028792
valid reason BUT i liked it more for it so guess we cancel each others out

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>725027169 (OP)
>but they don't give a real reason no genuine criticism
I have posted my criticism in the past month and every time people who like the game avoid my posts like the plague, because they know I'm right and don't want to even think about what I wrote because they're afraid it might impact their own opinion of the game.

>>725029465
OP: i must've missed it :/

tell me about it

>>725028792
>It's way harder than HK
The first boss that's actually a challenge is Moorwing, and you get three different ways to either cheese or bypass him. Sister Splinter is a quick dash check, Widow gets dummied by flea water and poison, really the first actually hard boss in the game is Last Judge. What's challenging about early Silksong is how much they gate you through enemies to get you to look for upgrades instead of trying to unga bunga everything you see right away.
How hard it is depends entirely on whether you're trying to play it like it's HK instead of recognizing the differences.

OP: I'm trans btw, keep that in mind when addressing me

>>725029929
yes I was trying to play it like hk because it's a direct sequel... is that not what I should expect? I don't have gamepass anymore and SS is soured in my mind so I don't actually care.

>>725030357
sus amogus

OP: I suck dicks for living. Please don't bully me.

>>725030451
And this is why early SS is so punishing, to beat you into realizing it's a different game for a reason.

>>725030451
it's not that different from hk desu it just has more aerial traversals is all

>>725027169 (OP)
I liked the game a lot but I’d probably like it more if it were just a bit easier.

>>725027169 (OP)
>awful, linear slog that is Act 1
>necessary upgrades locked behind fucking gay shit like fetch quests and minigames
>Silk system and tools are inferior in every way to the Soul/spell system
>two mask contact damage even when a boss is stunned
>tedious runbacks that exist solely to pad playtime

OP: i used to let my dad fuck me in the ass in high school while i dressed in my moms clothes

>>725031112
you can always load up the wiki

>>725031534
There's like 10 different paths you can take through Act 1.
Hollow Knight's early game is far more linear than Silksong's.

>>725032046
>10 different paths
There are 2, you exaggerating cockless freak trantran piece of shit.

>>725032109
there's many paths all throughout the first act, all of them are intertwined so yes you basically only have 2 ways to enter the citadel, but many paths leading to these 2

>>725032462
>O-OKAY THERE ARE ONLY TWO PATHS TO ACTUALLY PROGRESS BUT YOU CAN GET TO THOSE PATHS IN DIFFERENT WAYS
Is this what estrogen does to a motherfucker?

>>725032109
You're not even trying. Even just counting up to Bellhart, there's at least 3 major paths you can take. Flea caravan, FarFields>Moorwing, or Wormways.

>>725032669
>>725032575

>>725032575
>paths through act 1
through act 1 that lead to the 2 paths that end act 1. literacy is down all over the US and that's a sad thing.

>>725032763
You fucking Mexican piece of trash. There are only two paths that actually allow you to progress into Act 2. Being able to reach those paths in different ways is irrelevant.
Do you fucking understand now, Paco?

>>725032858
>pajeet doesn't understand what "through" means
>calls others ESLs
Sad

>>725032109
>>725032575
Your heart's in the right place, but you're lowering the market value of those insults by how fucking wrong you are.
Leave the tranny-shaming to the pros, you fucking tourist.

>>725033020
>n-no u
You literally cannot fathom it, can you? You cannot comprehend that THERE ARE ONLY TWO FUCKING PATHS TO ACT 2. That is the crux of the discussion, you fucking taco-baking favela rat.
>>725033047
>U-UR WRONG
You didn't play the game.

>>725032109
they had to make sure you were ready for act 2 don't hold it against them

>you don't see a higher levels of openness in metrovania maps silk song is on the more open side TRUST

>>725033112
>You cannot comprehend that THERE ARE ONLY TWO FUCKING PATHS TO ACT 2.
Three actually.

>>725027249
Isn't that girl one of the cartel's? Anyway she cute

>>725032109
>>725032462
>>725032575
I don't get metroidvania tards, why is 10 different paths good and why is non-linear better than linear?
metroidvania elements are filler and always have been

>>725031534
Is no one gonna point out that 3 of his complaints are just skill issues?

>they don't give reasons
>despite the billion reasons given
It's a mid game. Mid Metroidvania, mid platformer, most of the bosses are barely average (or straight up shit). The great things about this game is the price tag and the fact is runs well.
Nothing more to say that has been said by tons of people, who just got a "gitgud" answer (even though most of these people did finish the game).

>>725033261
>I'm a dumb zoomer that hates being forced to pay attention and think

>>725027249
Lace is fine, and the fetch quests are really not that bad. Quests are a little annoying but they're short/easy and there aren't that many of them. If you do them as they appear they're usually taking you to new areas.

The game is too big for the amount of content it has. Most notably, the amount of actual upgrades for you to find per location is fucking pathetic, and gets worse the longer you play, culminating in act 3 having basically jack shit worth of new upgrades. This issue is only made worse by the fact at least a third of upgrades are vendor-locked, and the game economy is fucked, most notably thanks to retarded money sinks to unlock the next batches of atrocious fetch quests.
Team Cherry still cannot design bosses worth shit. Just like in first game, their actual moveset is pathetic. Their game design crutch is contact damage, they weaponize erratic boss movement and straight up teleports to gotcha you.
Shell shards are the single worst resource management system in the entire genre. It punishes bad players by taking away their tools and making the game even worse for them. Good players simply ignore tools because shell shards are not worth bothering with. Either way, it makes tools an afterthought, not an organic part of the game.
I fucking despised the story. Lace in particular is possibly the most annoying and forced character they ever did. I didn't want to save that cunt, i wanted her to be buried deep in the abyss.

>>725027773
the plot is just a vehicle for gameplay anyway, it was never gonna be the strong point of the game. 99% of the game you're not thinking about the story at all, you're just exploring and fighting bosses because it's fun.

>>725027814
>this is 4chan, we don't actually like video games here
sad, many such cases

>>725033391
Original metroid didn't have enough data to have a bigger map so they just reused half the game again for "progression", but somehow autists think it is peak design

>>725033261
It's the difference between playing the exact same game 10 times in a row, versus playing it 10 times and having a different experience each time.
I can play Super Metroid multiple times a year without it getting stale, but Fusion is a once every 5 years game since it's so linear.

>>725033717
We aren't talking about original Metroid you fucking tranny.

>>725033279
you could make contact damage 3 masks, or just only ever let the player have 1 hp for the entire game. make the needle do minimal damage so every boss fight takes an hour. remove all movement options so its harder to dodge

if you complain its a skill issue tho

>>725033390
not true

say something i can agree with ma boi be real

>>725033753
We are tard, that's what Silksong and every other metroidvania is based on

>>725033753
the entire genre spawned in part from Metroid, anon is saying that the design elements that modern metroidvanias draw from were the result of a limitation and not intentional design. it was padding.
to be clear i disagree, i love metroidvanias, but you don't need to be a low iq faggot to disprove him

>>725033723
how about playing new games instead of replaying old ones like an autistic child who needs familiarity to not chimp out

>>725033771
>you could do a bunch of things the game intentionally chose not to do
No shit

Lots of real reasons are given.
The largest problem is that there are retarded currency grinds locking away rewards instead of having them given by exploration or defeating bosses.
Upgrades are behind such aggravating bullshit you have no desire to ever go through it again.
End game is also locked behind a collectathon of fleas that only exist for this purpose.
The simplistic graphics make every area the same. The citadel is a little different than the rest but everything else is a palette swap of rocks and enemies that are all interchangeably similar. This is basically another strike against exploration, the main driving interest of these games.
70 hits is not a reasonable amount for any boss.

It's not fun. Nothing about it is fun. The only fun anyone derived was mocking people who didn't put up with the tedium of slogging through it.

>>725034005
its hyperbole to prove a point. 2 mask contact damage isn't good just because its harder, and complaining about it isnt a skill issue. you can be capable of beating the game and still think its bulllshit

>>725033698
No, we hate redditroons like you.

>>725034026
>The simplistic graphics make every area the same. The citadel is a little different than the rest but everything else is a palette swap of rocks and enemies that are all interchangeably similar. This is basically another strike against exploration, the main driving interest of these games.
this is the only complaint i can get behind, it didn't bother me much while i was playing, but the visual variety really wasnt great

>>725033771
Unironically yes. Everything you mentioned is actually fun. Failed Champion in Hollow Knight without doublejump/shadowdash/nail0 is awesome and I recommend trying it.

>make the needle do minimal damage so every boss fight takes an hour
I did this on my first playthrough without much difficulty. Every boss taking 8 minutes means you have to actually learn how to fight them (oh no).

>>725034160
im not even the same anon, i just think youre a faggot
youre allowed to like games without it making you a redditor, you dont have to be miserable

>>725033546
>Lace is fine
shes not

>>725034026
>The simplistic graphics make every area the same
lmfao, silksong is some of the most beautiful art ever made

>>725034263
Shut the fuck up Reddit cuck.

>>725034253
every boss taking 80 minutes would mean you have you actually learn how to fight them even more. how about 800? it only get more fun the more tedious you make it, right?

>>725034357
man you dont even have an argument, youre just sperging out. it actually is quite pathetic

>>725034273
why

>>725034102
>2 mask contact damage isn't good just because its harder
Correct, it's not good because it's harder, it's good because it pressures the player into the gameplay that the game wants to be so the player doesn't instead assume they should facetank everything like they did in HK, because it's not HK and is in fact a different game. Once you get used to that, the game isn't actually much harder.

>>725034407
>Complaining about 80 minutes
This guy didn't beat p5

>>725034474
You're from fucking Reddit. There is no argument needed because you barely qualify as a person.

>>725027169 (OP)
They “hate” it because it has some difficult portions, and zoomers are used to games that are so piss easy that buying the game is the most challenging thing you need to do to beat it. They’re steamed that they bought the game and are physically incapable of beating it.

>>725033979
New games are rare as fuck, that's why we are here debating whether the worst in the genre is worth playing.

>>725033979
>new games
lmao
Dumbest post I've ever seen on this website.

Pharloom is exactly what it seems to be at first glance and there's nothing interesting to dig up. That's my main gripe with the game.

>>725034357
the real "Reddit cuck" here

to be clear i only used it to look up genshin impact leaks and i don't use it any more cuz i no longer play genshin

>>725034487
i havent played HK since basically when it came out, so i didnt come into silksong with any preconceptions. I didn't find the game too hard either, so the 2 mask contact damage isn't really a difficulty complaint for me.
it just feels kinda unfun. doesnt make sense that a full on telegraphed attack does the same damage as simply touching a hitbox. movement is also not well telepgraphed in this game to make it feel fair when you take 2 damage from contact. it could be, but they just didnt design it that way, i see that as a flaw.
even with 1 mask contact damage you cant really facetank, they could also design the bosses to be harder in general to balance the lower contact damage. contact damage is a cheap, easy way to add difficulty without having to put actual effort into enemy design.

>>725035414
Contact damage is a way to make the player aware of their positioning at all times and not get greedy.

>>725034961
I think you're right. The first sinner memory is the only bit that's kind of surprising.
The bellveins are kind of weird, maybe. I don't think it's ever explained why those are there.

>>725035501
you can do that by designing better enemy attacks. make them faster, give them a more varied moveset. like i said, its a lazy solution to a problem that feels less satisfying to the player than the alternative.
also, that still doesnt necessitate 2 mask contact damage. it will always feel unsatisfying that simple contact does the same amount of damage as an actual attack. it makes getting hit by an actual attack feel like less of a mistake because of how easy it is to take that damage from contact anyway. its all just damage, rather than there being levels and ways for you to minimise damage through quick thinking

>>725034830
silksong is one of the best metroidvanias of all time, might be the best. and it came out a few months ago

>>725035501
>>725035414
i think contact damage is there cuz your not allowed to stand there cuz it could be cheasy or make big monsters alot harder to make for the devs

>>725035703
well what if the better solution in this case is the easy one ? we wouldn't know about that

>>725027169 (OP)
I've never felt or said you did not beat the game for any game ever, though I can understand the sentiment, such as magic in dark souls being far easier (which is where I think that comes from).

But my first playthrough I used reaper (and a little experimentation of the rest) and it was decently challenging.
Now I've played it again as wanderer, and seen others' first playthroughs with wanderer, and it's a joke. You can literally face tank because you build more silk during the iframes to heal more masks than the damage you take. Most bosses die insanely quickly, like the skarrsinger falls in thirty seconds.

It feels really, really cheap. It's hard to feel like that hasn't actively cheapened my experience, and wanderer crest users did not beat the game.

Even the fully buffed hunter requires you to not get hit. I guess beast fits the same category as wanderer, or even more so, but at least it's terrible for non bosses.

I just can't believe how much wanderer totally bypassed every boss with facetanking. Start to finish I think Seth due to his teleporting so often might have been the single boss this didn't work on. Even lost lace was susceptible.

It was a way more fun game on reaper, and I got to experience more of it.

Also, why the fuck is the slab sequence missable, what a joke.

>>725035782
if anything big monsters suck with contact damage because of how much screen space they take up.
you can make enemies you want to have contact damage have more deliberate, telegraphed movement so its obvious its effectively an attack, or give them obvious spikes/poision motifs and then design the fight around that to make it interesting. its lame to make every single enemy that way though, it just removes potential variety
imagine a big boss that you can walljump off for positioning if you time it right, it would be hella fun, but its completely impossible to include fun designs like that if you make contact damage default.

>>725035778
>one of the best metroidvanias of all time, might be the best
it's certainly the highest rated one ever, at least on backloggd

>>725035940
there are similar games without contact damage as default that are very fun, so we have a point of comparison already
also you can still analyse design decisions in theory even if you dont have an example to go off. not requiring contact damage as a default still leaves you the option of having it sometimes for fittingly-themed enemies (spiked armour or poison or some shit), but also allows you the freedom to design other types of fight.
duel-type fights like Lace or Seth don't end up feeling like a duel because the enemy is playing with a different ruleset. they dont need to worry about their positioning while you do, so it feels like a generic bossfight instead

>>725035414
I know you're talking about Moorwing. On my first playthrough, I bumped into him a lot, he fell on me a lot, and it took an hour or so to beat him.
On my second playthrough, I don't think I bumped into him even once. The game had clearly drilled >>725035501 into me just through normal gameplay. Working as intended.

>>725035778
You're not wrong. But we both know it's not a 2025 game. Look at the 2019 trailer and see how much of the game was already laid out.

>>725036158
>>725036005
solid argument we have to hand it to em

guess it was a design choice, i don't mind it but my bro here does has a valid point

>>725036224
you can always learn how to get around any challenge in a game, it being technically beatable doesnt automatically make it a good design decision.
i actually didnt find moorwing that bad, and i fought him act 1 and pre-patch. it was a fun fight.
i didnt find any boss particulary bad specifically because of contact damage. i dont actually need a personal experience and bias to hold an opinion, im intelligent enough to analyse things independent of my own experience.

>You're not wrong. But we both know it's not a 2025 game. Look at the 2019 trailer and see how much of the game was already laid out.
every game is made over time, what kind of argument is this

>>725027169 (OP)
Plenty of people have given very valid critique of the game. It's been out for two months. It's been picked apart.
Instead of me regurgitating all the reasons why the game is mid af, why don't you tell me why I should spoonfeed you when all the material is right there for you to find, you braindead ragebaiter?

>>725035778
Even Ender Magnolia was better this year and it is worse than the first game and not good enough to recommend playing unless someone is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

>>725036531
>i didnt find any boss particulary bad specifically because of contact damage
>im intelligent enough to analyse things independent of my own experience.
Oh, I see. You had no problem, you're just complaining on behalf of the 50 IQ subhumans who do have difficulty with it. The skilled man's burden. A noble cause indeed.

>>725036745
because you're wrong and you need to make arguments so i can disprove you and call you a faggot

>>725036745
i was the mad one making this i didn't do it to bait i did it cuz i was soooo suck of bullshit baits lol

>>725035778
>silksong is one of the best metroidvanias of all time, might be the best
I hate hollowtrannies so fucking much it's unreal.

>>725036951
i didnt say the game was piss easy, some bosses took quite a few attempts. i just dont think contact damage is what made the bosses hard.
contact damage isnt a massive flaw with the game, its a minor gripe that makes it a little worse than it otherwise could be

>>725036971
sick*

>>725035969
Based fellow Reaperchad. Wanderer and Architect are the babby shitter crests.

>>725036923
ive just started playing this and its pretty lame and boring so far, maybe it will pick up later, we'll see. i did like the first game

>>725037053
i always felt like reaper was easy mode, but finding out that other crests have iframes and do higher dps really makes it feel like its actually hard mode
i only used it because it was the first crest i found without the stupid diagonal pogo

>>725036990
But BRO it's the first and only game I've ever played I'm literally 12 how could it NOT be the best??????????????????????

>>725036990
alright retard which metroidvanias do you like

>>725035969
Wait until he finds out about cogflies.

>>725035969
See the funny thing is, you did so well with Wanderer because you used mainly Reaper first. But the reason why Wanderer shitters exist is because they picked up Wanderer, thought "oh now this is just HK" and proceeded to play exactly like HK and got mad it wasn't working. They're also the main sources of the contact damage whining because they didn't respect Wanderer's lower attack range and blamed the game for it. For the new player it ends up being the crest that lets them fall back on old bad habits instead of learning, like you did.

>>725037161
It's big but slow as shit so you have to get really good at knowing exactly down to the second when you can attack and land a hit vs when you're just going to whiff or get beaten to the punch and punished. People claim it's OP because of the extra silk generation but you still have to actually collect the motes it generates and if you get too crazy with it you're more likely to just crash into whatever you're fighting and take contact damage, which makes the potential heal a moot point, especially against bosses that almost always do 2 masks of contact damage.

>>725037231
A recent one? Animal Well.
Design, music, map. Has Silksong beat in every metric.

>>725037035
>makes it a little worse

nah i think with the way they made the game alot of fat enemies rely on their size to pose a threat take that away from them and they'll be cake walks

it'll need alot of adjustments

>>725037423
Don't bother answering. They're just looking for reasons to shit on whatever you like.
Remember: good games are games I like, and shit games are games you like. You're arguing with a child whose first and only games are HK and SS.

It's not even the best game made by Team Cherry lmao.
>Shit platformer
>Shit metroidvania
Why make 200 bosses if 90% of them just spam one attack? Why make so many zones empty, instead of fleshing out the abyss and other places? Why is act 3 the epitome of quantity over quality?
Why even make GMS the only boss without contact damage? They could have made her challenging even without that in mind, but it just highlights how the design in this game is flawed, like 90% of the game.

But the worst, the capital punishment. This game doesn't help you reach 100% unlike most metroidvania. If you want to do it, you either have to hit all walls OR use a guide.
Like, seriously?

>>725037423
not even a metroidvania you absolute troon

>>725027169 (OP)
I don't like the run backs. I haven't opened the game in a month since I got to blaseted steps fought those red cone guys died and then realized I'd have to do the entire journey back again to do a boss that's mostly just me waiting my turn

>>725027169 (OP)
I hate the game because it's easy babby shit for toddlers. Literally Wokey Kong Bananza tier. Doesn't offer a real challenge like From Software's games.

>>725037525
wrong, ive played every well known metroidvania out there. HK and Silksong are popular for a reason, because they are very good.
>good games are games I like, and shit games are games you like
but yes, this is true. only from my perspective tho

>>725037509
i mean yeah you'd need to redesign the game to not have contact damage, but games can be done that way. Ender Magnolia did it and its pretty fun, although quite a bit easier tbf.
its a lot harder to design games like that so i get why its not common, but its peak when done well

>>725027169 (OP)
The world feels far less cohesive than Hollow Knight's. That felt like an actual underground kingdom, this just feels like a lot of video game levels senselessly crammed together.

Maybe it's just because below ground you're much more willing to suspend disbelief about how different zones are arranged, but it also is lacking any moments like when you discover the giant lake above City of Tears. You really need shit like that to tie your world together. Instead we get poison swamps piled atop of crow swamps piled atop of lava caves, and it all just feels a bit like the half-baked leftovers from Hollow Knight were shoved in a blender.

>>725037097
The main problem is the map tells you whether there is something hidden or not.

>>725037638
>HK and Silksong are popular for a reason
This isn't an argument. Fifty Shades of Grey was one of the best selling books of its time. Is it, by any metric, good? I don't think so. It's slop that appeals to the lowest common denominator. So is HK, except it has the benefit of having its dick sucked by popular streamers (more lowest common denominator shit), and their followers who have no thoughts of their own and only parrot opinions.

>>725037231
Besides Silksong and Hollow Knight?
>most Castlevanias
>Super Metroid, Fusion, and Zero Mission
>Islets
>Haiku the Robot
>Voidwrought
>Frontier Hunter Erza's Wheel of Fortune
>Yohane the Parhelion: Blaze in the Deepblue
>Blasphemous 1 and 2
>Touhou Luna Nights
>The Last Faith
>Ender Lilies/Magnolia
>Valdis Story
Also don't listen to that other faggot, Animal Well is a fucking piece of shit and also not a Metroidvania.

>>725037761
eh that sounds good to me, i'm not into autistically exploring every single pixel of a game looking for secrets. exploring is fun because you see new stuff, not because you put "effort" in to find it

>>725037765
>Fusion
Not a metroidvania

>>725037765
>anon was filtered by Animal Well
How embarrassing.

>>725037764
yes, something being popular doesnt automatically mean that something is good. thats why I'm specifying. things can be popular for other reasons, but these games are popular because they're good.
i can get more detailed with that assertion but you dont actually want to talk about it, you just want to disagree with me

>>725027169 (OP)
I've voiced my criticism, and every time I do you fucking stinky axewounds freak out.
>"FILTERED!!! FILTERED!!!"
But I 100%'ed it.
>"TRANSPHOBE SHAW GIT GUD!!!!!!!! BAIT BAIT BAIT!!!!"
People who care about video games and engage in open discourse around them do not take you or this game seriously.

>>725037613
the run backs are there to train your new traversal abilities, yes im aware that even the ppl that recognize that could hate them

>>725037953
Any metric you can parrot as to why the game is good can easily be countered, because the game is mediocre, for many reasons. I've debated them ad nauseum, but the most important thing I've taken away is, no one has ever been able to shed any light on why the game is so good. No one's ever changed my mind.
It's not a bad game, but it's possibly the single most overrated game of the past ten years. The sycophancy is absolutely unbelievable. Then you get people like >>725037995 for whom every critique is just misunderstood. The boss is bad on purpose! The runbacks are bad on purpose! The game is bad on purpose, you just don't get it! Give me a fucking break and take the dick out of your mouth.

>>725037765
cant tell which guy is the original but thanks for the recs, i havent heard of a few of these. some good ones in there that i have played though.
sounds like you like HK/silksong anyway so you have verified good taste, nice to meet a fellow chadanon

>>725037989
yeah a lot of people are retards. its not a perfect game, but I do still think that its very good and close to the peak of the genre.

>>725037920
Filtered by a boring, terribly designed game, yeah.

>>725037920
How difficult is animal well anyhow? Harder than la Mulana or end game Environmental Station α?

>>725038220
i mean we can talk back and forth like that all day. we just disagree.
i fully accept that the game has flaws. i dont like the runbacks, i dont like 2 mask contact damage, i dont like a few isolated incidents like TLJ exploding on death, but overall the game has a lot more positives than negatives and i really enjoyed it. i struggle to think of other metroidvanias that are so good in so many aspects

>>725038336
It doesn't even have combat. It is incredibly dull and uninteresting and the only people shilling it are Dunkeytards.

>>725038336
it doesnt even have combat, difficulty is not a concern. its just pure exploration. quite fun but i barely remember anything about it honestly

>>725037761
i don't mind it that way cuz the map is not as detailed as silksong it's kinda basic in ender1 idk about 2 but if it has the same basic maps you will miss alot of stuff if it didn't tell you

>>725028002
too bad I don't have sub 80 IQ and I know how to explore

>>725037161
>i only used it because it was the first crest i found without the stupid diagonal pogo
Confirmed that reaper users are nothing but shitters.

>>725027169 (OP)
buy? games?

>>725038603
Kek another seething Wandershitter that didn't beat the game.

>>725038603
its just not fun to pogo those flowers with diagonal pogo. i could do it, but every now and then you would just miss because the hitboxes were a bit janky and it was just completely unsatisfying.
i can see diagonal pogo being fun in combat but i got reaper early and never switched back so I wouldn't know

>>725038438
You don't remember anything because
>No story, no lore
>All areas look the same, just with a slightly different shade of blue or green on black
>No music
>Player character is literally just a sphere
It's like they came up with gameplay mechanics for speedrunners, and omitted everything that actually makes a game memorable.

>>725038376
>overall the game has a lot more positives than negatives
Are you sure about that? Because for every good thing I found in the game, there was some kind of design decision put in place that took away from it. My prevailing thought while playing was, "Why doesn't this game want me to have fun?" I'm willing to concede that the game took just as many steps forward as it did back, but for me, it tipped further into negative territory.
Happy you liked it, but you're not really the kind of person I'm referring to anyways when I talk about the weirdly zealous fans of this game.

>>725038912
You sound like an overstimulated zoomer.

>>725038603
nta but I beat the entire game including act 3 on Hunter as a self-imposed challenge and I still fucking hate the diagonal pogo. It's not even the fact that it's diagonal, it's that the tiny hitbox compared to Hornet's own hurtbox punishes you for trying to use it without being perfectly precise.

>>725038715
>>725039005
uh weird, I never noticed the tiny hitboxes, on the contrary I thought the hitboxes were unnaturally huge
t. completed the game using only hunter, my favorite parts were the platforming ones

>>725038975
You sound like a seething Dunknigger.
Animal Well is a boring shit game.
>w-well I liked it!
That's fine, you enjoyed something that's objectively bad.

>>725027169 (OP)
I just hated hollow knight. Hides “baby’s first metroidvania” status behind a pretentious presentation. This looks to be more of the same.

>>725038220
name some games you like

maybe it's just that you have different tastes, maybe you just don't like metroidvania shit it's cool silk song is not gonna change that

>>725037765
>Frontier Hunter Erza's Wheel of Fortune
Ugly, slow looking game. Reminds me of some budget hentai shit like Ricca.

>>725027773
I love the game but this guy is right. I did not care for Lace, and certainly not enough for her to be three fucking bosses and the final boss.

Silksong
More like Suckdong

>>725039527
lol

>>725039343
>Reminds me of some budget hentai shit like Ricca
I watched the trailer before reading your comment, but that was exactly what I thought. One of those sidescrolling hentai games where the monsters fuck you.
I think his list might be bait, since it's 90% anime shit.

>>725038397
>>725038438
No combat? That sounds kind of whack, but if you'd played La Mulana / Environmental Station Alpha, you'd know I was talking about the puzzle difficulty and level of cryptic bullshit.

>>725039343
>slow looking game.
Zoomer speedtrooners need to be killed in front of me

>>725039591
I mean, maybe it is a hentai game and they just patched out the fucking? It sure looks like it.

>>725039591
>I think his list might be bait, since it's 90% anime shit.
>retarded brown pajeet on /v/ doesn't play games and makes conclusions about games he hasn't played based on nothing
Every time.

>>725039670
It's not a hentai game, it's a Metroidvania with anime art.
Jesus, none of you shitskins actually play games. Just blown your worthless brown brains out.

>>725039137
i mean i switched pretty early on so i didnt get a ton of experience with it, but how i remember feeling is that it wasnt actually hard but every now and then i would miss one and not understand why.
i could easily do 3 in a row no problem a bunch of times and then just randomly miss the first flower on the next obstacle, it didnt feel consistent

>>725038975
i mean if you didnt enjoy it then maybe thats true for you. i personally enjoyed it a lot, so IMO the good outweighs the bad. i do think its possible to be biased in either direction so its hard to make any objective statements, but im hardly a HK stan, i havent played it since basically when it came out. i just think silksong has a lot of harder to notice polish that makes it a lot more satisfying to play than a lot of other games in the genre
>Happy you liked it, but you're not really the kind of person I'm referring to anyways when I talk about the weirdly zealous fans of this game.
fair enough, i suppose youre not a contrarian hater either so no bad blood

>>725027169 (OP)
Did they ever change the requirement for opening up act 3? That's one of the game's biggest glaring problems I think. It completely puts me off from playing it again.

>>725039593
ive played ESA and completed it, i dont remember anything too cryptic. i cant be bothered with postgame puzzle autism, im not willing to spend 100s of hours combing every pixel of a game or obsessing over lore, i play games for fun

>>725037765
>>725039694
Sorry, I didn't fall for your bait the first time since I'd never heard of any of those gay games. But after looking them up, I see you put a lot of effort into the list, so here's a (you).

Including Castlevanias and Metroids among a bunch of generic 2022 era anime shit was a nice touch to make it look believable, but I think makes it a little less effective as bait.

>>725027169 (OP)
Annoying fanbase

>>725040004
>I've never heard of any of those games because I'm a pajeet that doesn't actually play games so it's bait!
Over half of those games aren't even anime related. Cut your wrists, Sandeep.

>>725037850
Finding secret upgrades is exciting and rewarding.
Having a sign telling you something is there is not exciting or rewarding it is annoying tedium.

>>725040054
that's not a real criticism dude

>>725040071
I said "gay games", which covers the other half of the list made up of tranny indie shit.
I said I liked the effort you put into it. Just take the compliment.

>>725040236
>I have never heard of those games because I'm a casual
>b-but they're gay
This is why everyone hates Hollowtrannies.

>>725037850
you can look up the wiki

>>725040194
but searching for them is not exciting or rewarding at all. you get the occasional excitement of actually finding something amongst hours of tedious searching
its much more fun to just give upgrades and rewards for beating bosses or completing platforming challenges

>>725027169 (OP)
>give me a real reason no bullshit
Ive revived my motivation to do my essay thread, so dont worry and just wait for that.

>>725038912
Nobody would read this and think you are not talking about Silksong.

>>725040236
>tranny indie shit.
But enough about Shitsong.

Me:
>Played Silksong, including Steel Soul without Quit cheese and got all a achievements. One of my favorite games ever, may even buy a Hornet figurine
Also me on /v/
>Fucking slopsong lmao game's shit it's all padding and worthless items for too much effort and every boss sucks ass and you should get everything linearly instead of doing all these horrible anti-consumer design choices

blood stained:rotn

salt and sanctuary

vigil the last night

ender lilies & ender magnolia

grime

Timespinner

>>725040785
All tranime indie shit. Shit bait.

>>725040438
Here's a (you) since I see you were desperate enough to double dip.
For your list, you ought to add a random obscure sidescroller that kinda looks like it could be a metroidvania, but it's obscure enough that no one will know for sure. So even if they look up a trailer, they'll probably take your word for it Maybe that new Space Adventure Cobra game.
But when the one guy who's played the game sees it, hell give you that (you) out of anger.

>>725040785
vigil the longest* night

touhou luna nights

>>725040929
Why do you keep proudly trumpeting that you're a casual who only plays FOTM Reddit slop like Silksong?

>>725040785
Grime has some incredible bullshit in it too.
Sucks Salt and Sanctuary fucked up the sequel.
Haven't played Timespinner but good list.

/v/ is such a weird board in that most people who post here are actually proud of the lack of variety they have in games they've played.
What makes people like this?

>>725040889
im not the same guy i just felt like posting my list

didn't play nine sols and ender magnolia yet

>>725040303
thats even worse, now youre just completing a checklist with absolutely zero intrigue or challenge, thats a job, not a game

>>725041104
yea grime had that major problem where they didn't have poise and heavy weapons felt very bad to use

also didn't let you see the weapon moves until you invest stats for it , idk if it's fixed now i just finished it with the starter weapon

>>725040195
Oh yes it is. If the fanbase is constantly shitting their tranny headcanon and porn everywhere it's a dogshit game.

>>725040785
I hate slopsong as much as the next guy, but that is a fucking dookie list bro.

>>725041486
nah i only look up the wiki at the end to see if i missed anything, but i guess you can do that when you get tired of looking around

>>725041643
i don't get that but what ever you cant fault the devs for that

>>725041919
I can and I will. They made a troonsloppa game and knew exactly what would happen. Ari is a jew btw.

>>725041730
yea you just don't like this type of games if you hate every single one in it go figure

it's just not for you go on cry about it

>>725042229
>ESL (brown confirmed)
>Reddit spacing
>Loves tranime nu-vanias
>Mad at me because her taste is liquid dogshit
KEK

>>725042187
just sounds like a made up nonsense reason / critics

>>725027169 (OP)
>they don't give a real reason
>aka setup for no true scotsman
I've given plenty over the last two months. eat my shit and die, retard.

>>725042682
Why are Silktrannies like this?

>>725042682
why you think im mad ?

also im a he not she girls don't exist on the internet come on everyone knows that

never understood the economy complaints. i never had to grind once in the whole game. do people just not go and get their coccoon thing back when they die?

>>725044150
Worst, they probably don't even use their rosaries and relics

>>725027169 (OP)
New bad, 7 years older good

>>725027169 (OP)
I have never played this game but I hate it because I hate the visual style. Ultra smooth and minimalist but in high res is hideous to my eyes. It has its place sure, that place is in 2004 in a novelty porn game on Newgrounds. Not in a game I'm supposed to take seriously and enjoy for an extended period.

>>725044610
same level it just doesnt have the DLCs yet cuz it's new

>>725027249
I'll give you fetch quests. Lace encounters were fine.

my only real complaint about silksong are the rng fetch quests, especially some that are required for progression.
it's also easy to get burnt out from the exploration if you set multiple goals for yourself, but that's a nitpick.
the movement is great and has almost everything you could ask for a platformer (aerial correction tool via floating, a double jump, air dashing, a ledge grab, wall cling/jumping).
the dumb quests that are required for 100%'ing is what stops it from being a perfect game.
this is a strange thing to say, but i always liked how the original hollow knight tricked the player into completing quests without telling the player that they were doing quests.

>>725044905
you could just lower the resolution why is that a problem ?

>>725045165
whats the name of the cat thing on the right ?

>>725045709
Niko OneShot

>>725045709
Niko. He's from a game called OneShot.

>>725045165
>rng fetch quests
the only rng fetch quest remaining is the one about the bells, the rest are consistent now that the fancy pins were made a 100% droprate
if you ever replay, do note the pine cones are about slashing them as they come out

>>725045925
But why even include shitty fetch quests in the first place? They are just boring filler. They could have been left out entirely with no loss of quality to the game.

Aside from other anons, I don't like how one-note bosses are. I don't care how easy bosses were in Hollow Knight. They were really boring in this game save for a couple of exceptions. Made everything really unsatisfying.

>>725033615
>I fucking despised the story
Anon would you mind explaining to us why you hate story?

It's a schizo game
Want's you do do one thing but then tells you to do another thing
It's way too empty, there's fuck all to find in the world and 90% of the unlocks are in the shops, even Elden Ring felt less empty
The game feels like it doesn't want you to have fun most of the time
Shit final act, shit final boss
shit act 2 boss, MS was such a massive disappointment
Who the fuck looked at the game and thought
>you know what would improve this game? MMO grinding quests. Now go kill 20 bugs to unlock the final act
tools were honestly a downgrade compared to first game spells
dicksucking fanbase that will eat shit if it came out of Team Cherry anus and ask for seconds
I finished it, I have 0 interest in ever coming back, but hey, at least it was cheap

>>725046571
Because the entire story is just one big, retarded woman moment across 3 retarded women from start to finish with no interesting mythology like in the original HK to hold it together. It somehow assumes i care about Lace for the entire finale, when it's by far the most obnoxious character in the game.

>>725027169 (OP)
I don't give a shit about the game either way, I'm not gonna play it. The first game was so boring I just stopped turning it back on eventually. Why the fuck would I waste more time on another one? I'm not fucking retarded. Additionally:
>hurrr I'm gonna turn discussion about game into philosophical argument with validated logical axioms only!!!!
is peak midwittery. I hope anyone seriously engaging with this this thread develops cancer and dies.

>>725027169 (OP)
I'd like to define this game as the first "qualityslop" title, as something that is obviously well made and had care in its execution, but isn't actually good gameplay-wise.

>>725046438
Because they wanted to artificially pad playtime and they knew their stupid braindead tranny drone fanbase would defend literally anything they did.

>>725047898
>not good gameplay
can you elaborate ?

>>725044150
>i never had to grind once in the whole game
It's nice to be able to lie but that's literally impossible, there aren't enough rosaries to find without having to grind at some point.
>pebb requires 980 rosaries to buy everything out that isn't a rosary chain
>shakra requires 1640
>forge daughter requires 430
>mort requires 400 including the 30 to enter his shop, the weighted belt can be obtained for free but grindle will sell his other items for the same or a higher price in act 3
>frey requires 1480 for all non-housing items, adding in the house items brings the total to 4290
>plinney requires 1130 rosaries for all nail upgrades
>jubilana requires 3330
>twelfth architect requires 1290
>grindle requires 2710
>citadel map stations require 390
>benches require 510
>bellways require 590
>ventica stations require 480
>vintage nectar requires 480
>donation quests require 1450
In total you need 17290 rosaries and that bumps up to 20100 if you want all the furniture for the house. As for how many rosaries you can get by exploring, you can find the following items.
>19 frayed rosary strings for 570 total
>3 rosary strings for 180
>4 rosary necklaces for 480
>7 heavy rosary necklaces for 1540
>2 pale rosary necklaces for 680
>4 bone scrolls for 360
>3 weaver effigies for 450
>4 choral commandments for 720
>3 rune harps for 630
>one arcane egg for 600
>psalm cylinders give 1320
>mossberries give 461
>doing every delivery mission once gives 1840
In total that comes out to 9831 rosaries from quests and exploration, but it's still only a little over halfway there to the total rosaries needed to get everything. Yes there are rosaries in the environment such as being tied up to strings you can hit, in chests or or on those monk statues but not enough to give you the remaining 8000 you still need.

>>725048856
He got filtered by double damage and the diagonal pogo which means the game is bad. It's not that he's shit at the game, no. It's the game's fault. The game is bad, he is not bad.

>>725048939
Not reading your shitter autism wall.

>>725049058
eat more shit, shiteater

>>725049208
>got filtered
>is mad about it
Many such cases.

>>725045925
>hmm people don't seem to like that the one quest which has an rng drop is based on rng
>instead of only making the drop rate 100% let's also increase the amount of drops required so players still have to spend the same amount of time grinding enemies
wow thanks for the patch

>>725027367
>and you get to smack Lace you know lol
Two times too fucking many

>>725048939
Why are trannies like this

>>725048983
I mean, you hit the nail on the head on it being the game's fault there. Soooo, qualityslop?

>>725049357
>unironically admitting that you fucking suck and got filtered and you're just mad about it
Kekaroo.

>>725046954
nta but I agree 100%. The world itself and the details to support it ie the bells, chorus, silk, all tie together to make the theme very nice. But it all felt like one big spectacle in worldbuilding over having a story to tell like the first game.
Lace as well was just so weak as a character it makes me think the developers had a lot of ideas to have her add to the story they just didn't translate to the game itself.

>>725049351
trannies are the ones defending silksong

>>725049436
I'm not really angry. I played through the game with a no double damage mod and had a great time. I feel like we're not on the same page here though, which is too bad.

>>725048939
i did lose an over 800 rosary cocoon 2 times and felt like i should farm them back but i didn't mind i could've used the silk eater and didn't that was my fault skill issue but farming is not that bad cuz i like killing things the combat is fun

>>725049660
>I had to mod the game because I'm a little baby with no skill
Interesting.

>>725046438
>Bench reset and farm birds the boring way, or grab the quest and go explore.
well, TC didn't account for players' autism so that was kinda on them

>>725049660
PClowns are not actual gamers.

>>725049710
Not quite. I just don't base my self-worth on whether I can power through a hard game or not. It's great that you can do that though, and more power to you for it.

>>725049954
>I am PROUD of being bad at games!

>>725049436
>>725049710
>>725050256
faggot ass soulstranny kys

>>725050256
stop bullying that dude he done nothing wrong unless he brags about beating the game which i trust he doesn't

the length of the game is the bottom line. although it can be beat in a few hours, it starts getting annoying when you're going for act 3. I just don't see how you could do it without looking some shit up. I managed to get very close without needing to but I am patient, but I only ended the game with 74% completion so I still had tons of shit to find and even multiple bosses that I never fought.

>>725050387
Mindbroken.
>>725050560
He cheated. Cheaters deserve to be bullied.

>>725050719
whatever as long as he's having fun

>>725050786
Go kill yourself, enabler.

>>725050786
>playing a sport
>start cheating
>"bro whatever who cares as long as they're having fun"

>>725027464
>yet another episode of /v/tards pretending this heckin masterpiece is 2d unityslop shovelware

>>725027169 (OP)

the game is just worse than hk

>>725050831
damn XD

i just don't think that every one would have them skills

>>725050256
It's nothing that complicated, friend. Games are just a pastime for me, and I hope they are for you too. However, if you go past that mentality, you get into dangerous territory where you become a parody of yourself, some sort of proto hardcore gamer that tells people off in anonymous forums for playing videogames the wrong way.
Again, I'm not angry. I jokingly said we should call this game qualityslop. Now I just hope you're not puffed up over something so stupid. Have a good evening.

>>725051171
Back to Plebbit, you flagrantly underage little cocksucker. Shoo.

>>725051273
This post fucking reeks of Reddit holy shit

>>725039593
>Environmental Station Alpha
Fuck you and fuck anyone who suggests this on the grounds of it being ANYTHING even remotely similar to La Mulana.
The entire game is just oodles of dogshit bosses, which leads me to believe that the dev somehow thought his button-masher combat was good. It took until round 3 of the final goddamn boss before I found something resembling a fun fight.
Puzzles? What puzzles? The puzzles don’t even START until postgame, and they are basically a series of "this did something somewhere on the map go find it lole," and after it has worn your patience thin it drops the clock on you and I told it to go fuck itself.
Beat the shitty Sans Undertale ripoff and never touched it again.

>>725027169 (OP)
female shittagonist
now put the name of the game into your op post so that my filter catches it

>>725039593
The puzzles in Animal Shart are just obnoxious and obtuse on purpose, not fun to solve and usually not hard to solve either, just tedious.

>>725048939
that would be a true if you didn't omit the mobs that give you rosaries and kill all game long
there's absolutely no need to grind in this game

>>725051919
>incel melty

>>725048939
This is fucking absurd. And i remember that just killing all enemies inside a single location that DO drop rosaries typically gives like 500 rosaries at most.

>>725034550
>UH BUH BUH BUH BUH
Do me a favor and hold your breath for a few minutes.

>>725052021
>if you didn't omit the mobs that give you rosaries and kill all game long
Less than a half of enemies in the game drop rosaries. If you're efficent with your exploration and don't repeatedly fight the same Citadel enemies, no, you won't reach that sum.

>I lost the argument or had none in the first place
>I better invoke reddit

You know there's some parts where Hornet is weakened... why?
Is it GMS' silk getting to her?

>>725049469
>[20's dick voice] we trade in beads here, travellah!
>how ever many gosh darn beads I say, that's how many!
>get that stable currency the fuck out of my face!

>>725052136
>Redditor got so mad he replied to a 4 hour old post

>>725052174
you can use the thief thing to do it faster

>>725027169 (OP)
A quantity over quality situation
>Oh you like breakable walls? here's a million
>You like bosses? There's bosses everywhere
>You like arenas? The game is a million arenas now
No vision no coherent design no soul the sequel is just quantity slop made by people who stopped caring about anything else than creating things in a vacuum.

>>725052894
Filtered.

>>725052238
the special cages and the big fall in the start of the game and that time when she got cursed

>>725052894
idk why you say it like these are bad things
GIVE ME MOOOOORE

>shard system
>fetch quests
> kill X of Y quests
>everything about act 3
>requiring fetch quests and kill X of Y quests to reach act 3
>hidden breakable walls so you have to just hit every wall and ceiling if you want to find them legit
>shit bosses; the vast majority of them rely on adds, gauntlets, hitbox jank, or a combination of the three
>runbacks that serve no purpose other than wasting your time (no, theyre not hard, theyre just pointless)
>economy is so fucked you have to farm
i could go on
>uh, g-git gud!
picrel. now stop acting like a game having a reputation as being hard makes it immune to criticism or makes you in any way superior for spending 7 years of your life waiting for it, and kill yourself.

>>725053356
Filtered.

>>725053419
>um, actually, it's shit on purpose and if you don't like it you just don't get it
just go back man. im sure r/silksong is perfectly happy to masturbate over your fotm slop of choice with you

>>725053506
>NOOOO FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU GAME BAD GAME BAAAAAAAAAAAAD
Filtered.

>>725053338
>GIVE ME MOOOOORE
That's who you are and you'll have to deal with it for the rest of your life.

It's not very fun to play
the difficulty comes from needing to memorize every boss's phase 1, 2, and 3 attack patterns
50% of the game is spent running back to try again

>>725053610
He'll have to deal with enjoying things and having fun with them? Sounds so terrible.

>>725053356
maybe some of us didn't care or could like the things that you hate ever thought about that ?

>>725053562
>other guy has 100% completion
>filtered
nigga I don't think you know what filtered means

>>725027249
God she is hot...

>>725053689
>mmmm no actually i love the slop yummy yummy its so tasty that means its not slop!

>>725053706
You can get 100% completion by bashing your head into the wall and abusing the quit out exploit for Steel Soul. Getting a bunch of fucking cheevos doesn't mean you beat or even understood the game you worthless, fat, mongoloid fucking zoomer.

>>725053786
>MY OPINION IS THE ONLY CORRECT ONE
Why are trannies like this?

>>725053821
>you only beat the game if you beat it the way I SAY in MY headcanon
>don't like it? post a video of you playing the game the CORRECT way, otherwise I know for a fact you didn't play it right
non-elucidian cope
genuinely the most unhinged post in this thread

>>725053947
And as usual the dumbshit TikTok zoomer has no fucking argument.
You didn't beat the game.

>>725040785
>trannyspinner
That's a woke faggot game. You oughta be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting that.

>>725053947
I mean he's right about the steel soul thing, if you did that by saving and quitting any time you think you might be about to die you didn't actually do it

>>725053786
that was not slop you don't know what real slop is you have no idea and your qualified to talk about so just shut up whiny bitch

>>725040785
>vigil the last night
Ugly 3D clunky polygonal jank.
Recommend glorious 2D or GTFO.

>>725054002
>everyone who disagrees with me is a zoomer and didn't beat the game
sure thing nigger
your game's so great that 40% of the thread is mental gymnastics

>>725054024
why was it woke ?

>>725054235
>the mask instantly falls and he admits to being a filtered bitch
Every time.

>>725054215
just give it a chance bro don't be like that

>>725045165
>>725045709
>>725045824
>>725045868
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1498690/One_Shot/
I don't see a cat in this game.

>>725054431
try
https://store.steampowered.com/app/420530/OneShot/

>>725051964
Sounds like a turd then.

>>725052894
Nintentoddlers are crying because there wasn't a banana behind every wall like Wokey Kong.

>>725054793
Really is rent free huh

>>725053885
>silksong is amazing!
Why are trannies like this?

>>725054249
Read through the archives. It's been discussed to death. It's pretty notorious for how over the top egregious the writing is.

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/Timespinner%20woke/

>>725054925
>no argument
As expected.

I just don't see the point of whiteknighting over a game like this. Calling people reddit, posting the same reaction to everything... is this actually fun to do? Are you enjoying yourself?

I loved the game and only have two real criticisms. Fighting lace three times and one of them being the final boss was kind of a let down. The game also did not make me as emotionally invested as the first game did. When i finally realized the backstory of the hollow knight i felt sad and really wanted to beat the shit out of the radiance to avenge him and all the other vessels. Silksong did not evoke the same feeling and i feel like it's partially laces fault.

It's like comparing Gwyn from DS1 (Great emotional climax) to Nashandra in DS2 (Let down).

>>725054103
I don't even know how people did the save quit cheese, I'm so conditioned by both games to keep going until the very end and not care about dead that it just didn't pass through my mind a single time to hit the esc key and psyche myself out when trying to clutch it out. I just can't think of quitting when I'm fully focused trying to save my run.

>>725055294
i don't care much for story in games but yea the blue haired female protagonist acts like a dick some times but then you find out that there's a lore reason for why every blue haired person acts like a dick so i don't think that was intentional wokeness it just happen to look like it

>>725055689
I'm having more fun than if I were to play silksong.

>>725055536
i made my argument, retard
>>725053356
youre the one who keeps calling me filtered and a tranny rather than actually refuting it

>>725054431
That's One Shot, not OneShot

>>725056557
Your "argument" consists of "I DON'T LIKE THESE THINGS WAHHHHHHHHHHH"

/v/ lost and got raped by a game with a modicum of difficulty.
again.

they should have made tools more like the drill, actually specialized moveset extenders instead of bullshit you can throw at any time and trivialize the game (which in turn had to be limited with the annoying shards mechanic)
the potential was literally right there
>the empty needle phial could have been a powerful charge attack with a lifeblood reward
just make more stuff like that

>>725057013
Still not winning GotY

>>725058643
Keep telling yourself that bitch shitter

>>725058404
This literally sounds like Knight's spells and they were indeed far better designed.

>>725031863
Just put benches before the bosses. The time between attempts really is the least fun part of the game. The bosses and challenges are fine otherwise.

>>725060204
Sort of? Hornet's tools have more versatility with the trade off that you can only equip a few of them. The Knight can't buff his speed and changing his projectile is going to cost some charm notches. Also the knights charms all use the same resources while Hornet is always going to have certain things depending on the Crest she's using. However the Knights spells are explosively more powerful. Descending Dark is a downward strike that also gives a bazillion i-frames and splashes up so high that it hits things above him. Hornet can only dream of that kind of power. The Knight's base kit is more linear but more powerful versus Hornet who's wide as an ocean but deep as a puddle

>>725059685
expedition 33 will win let's be honest

>>725046896
This so much. I'm seriously disappointed with how minimal the lore is. Like sure, Verdania had the Green Princes but anything else to it? What about the Skarr? They are basically just a warrior culture and has a young(back then in Karmelita's memories) & old Milf Ant Queen. Anything more to Pharloom other then Slavery, Weaver angst and rage and Conductors trying to keep GMS asleep? Absolutely nothing.

>>725040785
>>725054024
Every single time I remember that piece of shit I feel some sort of mental pain, I went in expecting at least a decent experience with unique weapons despite the portraits throwing a massive red flag and got a tiny piece of shit that uses its main gimmick a total ot two fucking times and has a random cutscene where all NPCs get together to talk about how much gay sex they had. Then the female main character who's a complete asshole goes off to kill a big evil man.

>>725063929
It's not even a good game in its own right. I completed it in less than eight hours and had zero desire to pursue any additional achievements for completion percentage. I kept expecting the other shoe to drop and get like an inverted castle moment and it never came.

Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth was the same way, when I got towards the end I kept thinking, "this can't possibly be the end," and then it was.

There are a lot of bad Metroidvanias out there. The best that I can say for HK/SS is that they're expansive.

>>725027169 (OP)
I don't understand why they put so many items in shops when exploration is lackluster and would be better with more items scattered around to find.

>>725027169 (OP)
I was fighting guardian seth and he clipped out of the map and became unwinnable. 0/10 shit game.

>>725027169 (OP)
I loved silksong and I don't care what anybody thinks, why do you care?

>>725067108
Wrong

>>725067108
Had a blast, did you, troony cuck?

>>725067108
It's really good. I loved the game

>>725066795
So players have a choice of what they want to get, since it's unlikely they'll have enough rosaries to get everything when they discover a shop. And since the average player will backtrack multiple times, it also provides clear goals to work toward for the items the player wants. In general Pharloom isn't as desolate and empty as Hallownest was, there's a lot of people there they're just Haunted, so having more actual shops was one way for them to make the setting as a whole feel more alive, as opposed to Hallownest basically only having Dirtmouth and Salubra for the player to return to before going for another delve in the abandoned decrepit ruins.
I get why people would prefer HK's approach, they just decided to do something different for different reasons in SS.

>>725027169 (OP)
dakkadakka told me to hate it

>>725027169 (OP)
I loved this game so much more than the first one, so it's sad that people don't appreciate it.

difficulty is inaccessible
gameplay is reactive especially early on with limited and specific moves, some people like this others prefer a more dynamic approach and to work out what works best

>>725027602
it wasn't necessarily the fact that she talks that was the problem. Gaming is full of great protagonists with great dialogue. But Team cherry were locked-in to her personality from HK1. It was fine, as a side-character, whose lore purpose is killing weak vessels; for her to be cold, serious, and judgmental. But when they had to carry that personality over to HK:SS, and base an entire talking protagonist on it, things got tedious.

At a serious risk of Flanderizing her character, maybe they should have made her even more cold haughty and mean. It seems like in HK:SS, her default attitude is respectful, and she only becomes haughty and condescending if a character shows themselves to deserve disrespect. They could have reversed that, and made Hornet (a princess-knight demi-god from a doomed land) default to rude superiority, and only show respect after it is earned. That might have been more fun.

There is some basis for her to be condescending. Some relevant voice lines and dream nail dialogue from HK1:
>Too weak, little ghost...
>Only pity for your cursed kind.
>My needle is lethal and I'd feel no sadness in a weakling's demise.
She's pretty damn mean to the knight, only showing respect after you prove your strength. And most of the pilgrims of Pharloom are way more pathetic than the knight.

>>725066795
really? You weren't thrilled to discover a little cul-de-sac, and be rewarded with a bunch of shards dozens of times?

>>725072504
Dear god no, last thing we needed was girlboss Hornet. imo she was fine, she was polite when she had no reason to be rude, assertive when the situation called for it, and she was only an ass when calling people out on their bullshit. She wasn't condescending to Knight just because he hadn't proven his strength, but because he hadn't proven he was anything more than more of her dad's detritus crawled out of the abyss.
If anything the character you wanted was actually Shakra. She treated the pilgrims with condescension and frequently mocked them early on, before Hornet helps her realize they have their own strengths even if they're not warriors, and she in turn decides to be their protector. Moments like that in the game made Hornet a better character than if she was a generic girlboss.