Thread 725043083

Putting the woke stuff aside, what do fans of the older titles dislike about SH f?

older fans just want more twin peaks

>>725043083 (OP)
i watched the playtrough, it barely hits silent hill notes, no isolation no silent hill tone, no subliminal disturbing stuff, otherworld is lame, no ties to other silent hills really, story is meh, mainly the atmosphere is downpor homecoming tier, even homecoming did something better mainly because of music.

>>725043083 (OP)
What is woke about this game? I don't understand.

>>725043083 (OP)
parrying
I want to play silent hill, not dark souls

>>725043368
its themes are bit slammed to in your face, less subtle. less is more what come to silent hill, you drench them in symbolism but don preach about stuff and no wllas of text explaining stuff is needed, sh 2-4 has been evolving trough the years.

>>725043838
The theme of recounting records of japanese families marrying off their children to other in place of paying off their debts in the 60s? The theme of drug abuse? The theme of being forced to marry someone you don't want and having to leave your previous life behind? The theme of everyone you know growing up was a bastard?
What themes am I missing because none of these are "woke".

>>725044349
women are woke

>>725043083 (OP)
I don't dislike it, I like it more than 3 and 4 actually.

>>725044349
themes arent woke, the way they are presented is more modern type woke compared to sh3. sh2 is about male psychological suffering and psychological horror, sh3 is female bodily horror, sh4 is domestic horror, pont is old sh games where created around their theme, unlike every silent hill after them, not sure what sh f is trying to be. yeah its beautiful and humane but so are almost every silent hill game.

>>725044620
I'm OP and like it a lot too, only 6hours in or so though.

Never played the originals, although I plan on doing that soon.
Was just curious why so many people shit on the game.
I guess they just had differing expectations?

>>725044646
F is female psychological horror. I don't see how that's even up for debate, Hinako is crazier than James.

>>725044646
i add it might be horror of expectations, and if it is that is not very strong theme. propably hits better if you lived in japanese society.

>>725044808
Mostly due the constant use of psychological drugs in face of her family and marriage circumstances. While James was having a psychological break due to intense denial of his actions towards his wife.

>>725043083 (OP)
It doesn't have woke stuff though

>>725043083 (OP)
This is a very Japanese game, if you are not familiar with their culture it's going to be difficult for you to bond with the story and the characters
The original games are so popular in the west in part because of the Americana/ Twin Peaks setting

>>725044808
yeah it is, was it accurate, i want female opinion of this, i always said men can never really get sh3 because they dont have ovaries, but its presented as really top notch bodily horror still, shf feels more japanese fanfic that where made mainly for females and weebs.

>>725044349
The game is about a stubborn stupid woman that doesn't want to commit to anything even if it means ruining the lives of everyone around her. She's prejudice, selfish, and wholly unempathetic even to the people she looks up to and loves. None of this changes by the end of the game. Instead the game ignores all of these problems and she gets everything she wants without any elaboration as to how or why she gets these things.
The message of the game is that if a woman wants to be a selfish stupid fuck, she should be allowed to do that.

the end twist she killed everybody felt also really stupid and far fetched. i there was something i wanted from new sh was cult grooming and maybe it kinda did that.

>>725045210
It felt like a good portrayal of Schizofrenia even as a dude at least.

>>725045242
>The game is about a stubborn stupid woman that doesn't want to commit to anything even if it means ruining the lives of everyone around her.
She was forced to marry a rich rapist murderer to pay off her abusive fathers gambling debts and leave her entire life behind in the process. She wanted to marry Shu.

>>725043083 (OP)
Too asian

>>725045329
The game has multiple endings. Two of them are joke endings. They force you into the drug induced psychotic break ending on your first run through the game.

>>725045242
pretty well put it lacked the pyschological loop of accepting the truth and redeeming.

>>725043838
>less is more what come to silent hill

>>725045373
She wasn't. She falls in love with him and stays with him for over a year to see if she wants to get married. After she admits she loves him, he finds out her family is broke and offers to pay for everything, even her mother's treatments.

Hinako's response to this is to have a psychotic break because it wasn't "her choice".

> She wanted to marry Shu.
She didn't. She never says this once, and all of her entries state the opposite. Even in the Shu playthrough she doesn't want him. Play the fucking game.

>>725045453
didint watch the "true" ending but isint it about like something shes free to make her own choices in the end, but it have anything about facing her wrong doings?

>>725045373
Fox Mask is a good guy thohaps, his family is the one that is fucked up. Incidentally, Shu's family are literally part of Dahlia's cult.

>>725045557
angelas purgatory was on burning, eds was cold and james was suffocating, there is lot to to that.

>>725045670
In the Good++ Ending she splits her consciousness into her teen body and her adult body. Both of them refuse to settle down and instead agree to live life how them want with some "time to think" and make their own choices. It ignores that her mother is dying of an unknown disease that costs tons of money to treat, ignores the River Dragon subplot that will destroy the village entirely, ignores anything to do with Shu, and she still murderers her friends "symbolically" several times to set herself free.

>>725043368
Probably just trolls or leftypol.

>>725045242
R9k take, but understandable. Alright. That seems to be the wokest thing in the game. Not exactly taash material.

>>725045906
sounds like a mess

>Silent Hill combat is bad.
>Let's fix it.
>But then let's also add an absolutely unnecessary fuck ton of it that you can't run and avoid like in the originals, so you're already sick of said improved combat the first couple chapters.
>Oh also it still isn't great anyways lmao.
Same issue with SH2R. They're both a fucking chore to play.

I enjoyed the game but my main problem was it didn't scare me at all. None of the areas were scary and the otherworld sections in the other games were always highlights, but in this one it was just like a big temple. And the normal world visually was more beautiful than scary with all the flowers

>>725045776
james' was a comfy hotel.... it means so much.....

>>725043083 (OP)
I don't like that story is essentially about rejecting advances of one of two guys (or both).

>>725043083 (OP)
>the game takes place in Hinako's head, the events are really happening (the wedding/cult stuff) but we never see any of the real world stuff which undermines the game's plot and characters - do i really care if something bad happens to an imagined version of Hinako's parents? not really
>it's a janky Dark Souls clone, not a horror game, there's nothing really scary about it, it has some creepy moments but very little payoff beyond being started (Scarecrows teleporting around). there's nothing that gets close to the sheer feeling of terror and read as going through the Otherworld version of Midwich or being lost in the Prison/Maze of SH2.
>very weak monster designs, nothing really disturbing or scary, a lot of it is fairly generic, the Scarecrows are the only good standout, the rest suck. the only effective ones are the ones that are ripoffs of Sh2 mannequins and Sh3 insane cancers. and what's worse is there's like, 4 monster types total in the game, the rest are just bosses or reskins of these 4 monsters

>>725043138
this is the dumbest thing I've read today

>>725046425
You misunderstand what Silent Hill is. The game isn't just in Hinako's head, that space is real, one born from human collective consciousness. It's her purgatory.

>>725046360
james world is not comfy, silent hill can be comfy when it dosent plunge you in the darkest pits of your psyche

>>725046425
this also was really weird, silent hill dont work like that, its not some inland empire really.

>>725046667
>its not some inland empire really.

That's literally what it is.

>>725046460
the essence of twin peaks is to mix beautiful and horrible things, silent hill is more a state of mind, silent and noisy, calm and threatening.

>>725043083 (OP)
I want less combat and for combat to feel even worse

>>725043138
David Lynch is the most influential creator for SH so yeah if your game called Silent Hill isn't invoking David Lynch or anything Lynchian in that realm of surrealism then you're not making a Silent Hill game, you're making a Resident Evil game with faceless mannequin monsters instead of zombies.

>>725044784
it's just a weak entry to the series. it's not as bad as the other games that came after SH4 like Downpour or Homecoming but it's not much better, it's just all those games done more competently. the combat is literally identical, they just stole mechanics from Dark Souls to shore up the parts of those games that sucked.

>>725045373
>She wanted to marry Shu.
no she didn't. she even admits that she likes Kotoyuki and is interested in him, she just doesn't want to be forced into it by the fox cult or her father. the only reason she expresses interest in a relationship with Shu is because he doesn't treat her like a woman the way other men do, but she's not romantically interested in him.

>>725045474
that's only a thing in SH2. that's not a staple of the series at all or what Silent Hill is about. PLEASE play a Silent Hill game other than 2.

>>725046710
you dont go to your some inner world its opposite your inner world manifests, the forces of red god literally leaks in and bends reality itself. you dont dream.

>>725046576
>The game isn't just in Hinako's head
There's no real character in f other than Hinako, whereas in other SH games the protagonist was not only a real person trapped in an unreal place, other real people were there with them.
If it were at all real she wouldn't be able to kill Rinko multiple times, Shu would be in his 20s, and Fox Mask wouldn't be teleporting around a giant empty temple. Instead the game refuses to commit to a sensible narrative to prop up its retarded 3+ playthrough padded plot.

>>725046865
They're all that thohaps.

SH1-Alyssa's Nightmare
SH2-James' Nightmare
Sh3-Alyssa's Nightmare 2 electric bugaboo
SH4-Walter's Nightmare
SHF-Hinako's Nightmare

The western spin off games are the ones that don't understand

>>725046576
>You misunderstand what Silent Hill is
Silent Hill is a town. it's not purgatory or some therapy town. Shu gives Hinako White Claudia which allows you to interact with your subconscious. the entire "Fog World" scenario we play through happens due to White Claudia+whatever the Inari cult has been giving Hinako. the only "real" thing are the Dark Shrine segments because that's really Hinako's soul/inner spirit interacting with the spirit world; things that happen there like the ritual grafting are reflections of ritual cleansing that the real Hinako is experiencing. but the town sections/"Fog World" all happen in her mind. they aren't really happening. the town was never covered in fog and invaded by monsters.

>>725046667
no but at least they explained it and it does work in the rules of the series established by the original games so it's fine, i just think it's dumb and undermines the game's narrative when i never get to see the real Hinako or her real friends/family so i never see how any of the plot actually affects them.

>>725046710
wrong. the point is that Silent Hill is really happening. the cult really summons a demon, the demon is really physically changing the town to be rusty and full of monsters. the only exception to this (asides from SHf) is Silent Hill 4 which takes place entirely in Walter's dream world.

>>725046587
no it still looks comfy even then

>>725046945
It's overlapping spheres. There is a waking world and every sphere (Fog Town, Other World, Nowhere) is one sphere closer to the realm of the Gods of Mankind's collective Unconscious. It's a dream but also real.

>>725047057
you can't even spell the character's names right so i feel very comfortable ignoring your posts given you're clearly some secondary just rattling off half-remembered interpretations from youtube video essays and SH wiki entries

>>725046865
sh3 does it but not that well, heather takes control of her autonomy back, and henry maybe stops being so socially isolated, but yeah they are not presented as huge part of the story like sh2, sh3 is more about the cults fuck ups and the yellow god.

>>725047142
When you go into foggy silent hill there are other people in the real Silent Hill who are just having a normal day with no knowledge of the cultists having a psycho freak out and monsters running about. Real people can wander into that space, and the monsters are real but it isn't the same space as the real world. The things that happen in that space can and do affect the real world though, so it's not just a dream, people die because of it.

>>725047225
yeah thats more accurate, its not real or dream they blend, shf had always a scene protagonist waking up from a nightmare otherworld like she was sleeping and having a dream, also i liked to know what really does it, protagonist kills manifestation of her friends and family and her other self to wake up?

The actress for the main character streamed herself playing the game. shes so kawaii... elevates the game tenfold

>>725047234
>Sperging out over minor localization inconsistencies
This is the type of schizo who proclaims to be a true Silent Hill fan. Never take this people seriously.

>>725047708
shut the fuck up this is what will ruin upcoming silent hills you weeb

>>725047547
>When you go into foggy silent hill there are other people in the real Silent Hill who are just having a normal day
no there isn't. the effects of the ritual literally warp reality. whatever happens to the other residents of the town isn't explained but it's not important, mostly because the games were heavily inspired by the film Phantoms which also got stupid after they started to explain things. the entire point is to have that mystery of "where did everybody go?" - when you start explaining it as well the demon is able to make multiple dimensions so everyone else is safe from all the bad stuff which isn't REALLY happening it takes away all the horror from the scenario. Silent Hill is scary because it's real and happening to the real world, it's not just a dream and it isn't happening in some other dimension.

>>725047584
>shf had always a scene protagonist waking up from a nightmare otherworld like she was sleeping and having a dream
that's more a reference to SH1 where the Otherworld isn't fully formed. it's basically the only time in the games (asides from SH4) where the nightmare isn't physically real yet. but by the final transition by the Lighthouse Harry comments that this time is different, he's not being transported to another world, the nightmare is real and being manifested in our world and that's how it works from then on.

>>725043083 (OP)
I played it and liked it. Think they should have pared it down to three instead of five endings though, not enough variation between each playthrough (or enough misdirection to make unraveling it interesting) to justify playing through it that many times. OST was mostly a miss too, aside from the couple of tracks Xaxi and Dai contributed.

IMO

1 > 3 > F > SM > 4 >>> 2

>>725047753
>can't even get the names of the characters right
>but I'M the true silent hill fan
lol

not going to read any of your other posts btw

>>725043083 (OP)
it had nothing to do with silent hill

>>725046992
There are notes in F of other people who have wandered into the Dark Shrine and died there.

>>725047832
The cult ritual brings them closer to their God. Bad stuff is happening, when they do this it drags other people into it as well. But the whole town isn't physically being turned into a hellscape, to an outside observer nothing is happening. It's still the same resort town.

>>725043083 (OP)
1) Final 25% of the game is just an endless combat gauntlet against enemies you've fought 1000x by this point. SH2R had this same issue but at least I had a shotgun in that game.

2) The wolf arm devil trigger shit is just so out of place. Same with a lot of the end game bosses that look like the developers played too much Elden Ring and wanted to make a different game entirely.

3) The fog world with the overgrowth is really cool. The shrines are repetitive and kind of boring. Wish they dropped them entirely in favor of proper otherworld sections within the locations. (kind of like what they did with Hinako's house at the end)

4) The story is convoluted and not in a good way.

>>725043083 (OP)
It has the same level of bad writting as "everything was a dream" but in this case everything was a bad trip of a drama queen teen that refuses to grow up.

>>725043368
Not woke per se but it's very 'feminist' themed, though the cultural aspects are somewhat lost on Americans. Thing is that it follows a usual trend with female protagonists as seen in Western games; as opposed to male protags who's stories are often about personal sacrifice for the good of others, female protags stories tend to be sacrificing others for the good of the self.

>>725045612
>She falls in love with him and stays with him for over a year to see if she wants to get married
When is this established? I beat the game 3.5 times to get all the endings and I don't remember this at all. Not saying you're wrong, I might've missed a note or wasn't paying attention during a particular cutscene or something

>>725047821
It was over when they added magical girl outfits to 3.

Somehow I get the feeling most of the "longtime Silent Hill fans" frustrated with the new direction of the series have only played SH2, sometimes even to completion.

>>725049569
Of the four previous main entries wouldn't you say 2 is the most similar game to F though?

>>725048608
In the house there's a note saying that she was introduced to him when he returned from living abroad and they enter into a relationship. A separate note says he traveled abroad "until about two years ago before returning home". Considering that the game takes place on her wedding day, that means they were together for a year or more, and the events of them falling in love and Fox Mask promising to pay for her parents happened within that timeframe.

It's pretty lacking in terms of locations and level design. The school and house are the only real SH style levels. In general the structure of the game is very formulaic and boring, with stuff like every other section being just getting from point A to B in the town, and the house being the same small area looping 3 times. I think this is exacerbated by the game demanding multiple playthroughs to piece together the story. I think the writing is very good, but there's no real excuse for requiring at least 3 playthroughs. NG+ doesn't go nearly far enough in mixing things up to make it interesting, and NG++ is just like 7 extra notes. Previous games had alternate and "better" endings, but didn't require multiple playthroughs to tell a simple story that should've just been told the first time around. I'd say the game also doesn't go far enough in going off the rails. The last hour or two is just nonstop combat with enemies you've already seen in locations that aren't really even that fucked up. The "whoah wtf" factor peaks at the fox arm, and the game never manages to get back up to that level.

I enjoyed it overall, but probably would've liked it a lot more if the game just fleshed out the main playthrough more instead of trying to have visual novel pretensions of multiple playthrough in something that doesn't really have alternate paths or choices.

>>725043083 (OP)
I've heard people say that they'd like the game more if it didn't have the Silent Hill title. Because then it would be easier to accept the disconnect they felt with the game and how it differs from the rest in the series.

At first, I agreed but honestly, even if the Silent Hill title was gone, I'd still think the game is "just okay".

I like the setting a lot, and the story was interesting enough to keep me going. But I started getting bored with it because it was very formulaic.

>Go to new area
>Dodge enemies
>Find 3 items
>Or open 3 doors
>Or solve 3 puzzles
>Fight the some of the same enemies you fought before
>Move to new area
>Repeat for 8hrs

It's also shitty that documents and diaries that flush out the story/lore more are locked behind NG+ meaning you have to play multiple times to get the full jest of what's going on. Not just to see alternative outcomes.

>>725048384
>Final 25% of the game is just an endless combat gauntlet against enemies you've fought 1000x by this point. SH2R had this same issue
I don't like how so many developers seem to think "over running the player with enemies = so scary!". Just like in SH2R, there were times where you're forced into combat (excluding boss fights).

When I need to get from A to B, sometimes I just wanna run through and not have to stop every 2 minutes to fight off the same horde of enemies I just fought.

>>725050514
Dark Shrine is a Silent Hill style dungeo tho, just broken up into 5 segments.

>>725043083 (OP)
satanic game

>>725049675
Because the conflict and misdirection is mostly internal instead of being imposed on you or what do you mean

>>725043083 (OP)
Five hours of story with the subtlety of a sledgehammer stretched thin over 40 hours of the same five enemies and repeated playthroughs with enemy arena after enemy arena

>>725044784
>like it a lot too
>only 6hours in though
>Never played the originals
Masterful bait

>>725045117
Bullshit. The first two Siren games are just as Japanese and they're so much better than this mess.

>>725046251
For real, they should tone down the combat like 50%

>>725043083 (OP)
Combat sucks, it's not scary, the village is bland and unfun to navigate. And it just didn't feel like SH. Felt like I played some random Chinese game which pretty much is exactly what I did

>>725049675
4 is the most similar game to F
>weapon degradation
>limited inventory
>setting outside of Silent Hill
>story is good, combat is dogshit
>90% of the map is repetitive shit.

>>725046251
Let me guess
>picks normal combat mode when the game specifically tells him easy mode is the intended experience
You wanted a lot of combat, you got it.

>>725043083 (OP)
>what do fans of the older titles dislike about SH f
Everything weird that happens in the Silent Hill games should be because of Silent Hill. European pilgrims settled a region that used to have native beliefs, after generations those beliefs had blended into the imported Christian beliefs and become a weird twisted version of both, with the problem that the supernatural powers of that place were actually real. The cult's mistakes in the past caused those powers to run rampant and everyone significantly engaging with them would carry them with them. Alessa's imagination and nightmares turned into monsters. After her death, that void was filled by James returning with his dead wife. Alessa's reincarnation radiated it even outside the town. And Walter Sullivan's cult devotion made his rituals actually work, where ever he was.
Nothing about the reflection of one's own demons in the manifestations can happen if your life has never had anything to do with Silent Hill. In fact, none of that shit can happen at all prior to the events that led to Alessa's burning because it's the suffering and madness of the mother of the dark god that bleeds the otherworld into our world. So, since f takes place in 1960's Japan, it can't be Silent Hill, literally or figuratively. I dislike f because it stole the name of something completely unrelated.

>>725053275
That shit was already established in Short Message apparently. Apparently SH fog can happen anywhere now and it's just all in your head lmao. Written by the main Konami team btw

>>725053275
>So, since f takes place in 1960's Japan, it can't be Silent Hill, literally or figuratively. I dislike f because it stole the name of something completely unrelated.
>>725052996
Also...like 4.

>>725043083 (OP)
this shit already is forgotten

>>725053459
>>725052996
Also, at this point, i'm just gonna say Akira Yamaoka should've just stuck to the music.
Keiichiro Toyama had an idea, Yamaoka just kinda shit on it.
the movies are also his fault, that and the french fuck.

>>725053459
nta but 4 is linked to SH directly as the villain originally "died" in SH. And then he proceeded to manifest the dark world or whatever it's called in other places. All sightings of the actual fog world however are around the Toluca lake because that's where the fog comes from. And that includes western games too. That was only changed in Short Message because devs are retarded

>>725053459
>retard still believes the "SH4 was not meant to be a Silent Hill game" rumor
Figures

>>725048521
>it's very 'feminist' themed
it's woke then

>>725048270
no it's not and you can't find a single comment from a developer of the games to support this fantheory.

>>725049675
no i'd say it's closer to 1 just because it's doing its own thing and isn't tied to anything else. even SH2 as a "standalone story" is very deliberately made as a dark mirror of SH1's story. James is the anti-Harry, both had a wife dying of a mysterious illness but they went about dealing with it in very different ways. but >>725052996 also has a good point.

>>725053182
the combat still sucks on Story mode, you're still forced into it, you can't run from a lot of encounters, and the final 1/4th of the game is literally nothing but mandatory combat.

>>725053725
Walter "Died" in Silent Hill 2, commiting suicide in his cell below toluca lake, silent hill 4 had the 21 sacraments shit to say he was on some ritualistic spree, because he thought his mother was the room from SH4.

>>725053829
It wasn't originally meant to be a main title game, it was a spin-off, which is why so much was different from the first 3, they were experimenting with different bullshit, they wanted to change shit up, if you look up interviews they even confirm this, it was all about new shit, changed shit, they later added the official Silent Hill 4 stamp to it.
It was always meant to be connected to Silent Hill in some way, but still, doesn't really tie in with the story.

>>725054502
>It wasn't originally meant to be a main title game, it was a spin-off
Wrong. It was wrong 20 years ago, and it's wrong now.
>"One of the first things I wanted to ask was about the origins of the concept for Silent Hill 4, the idea of this apartment with a tunnel to an alternate world of horrors - what inspired this idea?"
>"We wanted to make a sequel after Silent Hill 3 and you could say that was the initial concept, but upon that we needed to implement a lot of new flavour to the sequel, otherwise it would have been the same old Silent Hill. So for that, we created "The Room" as the concept for the game, so that we could use to represent the contrast between the normal and the abnormal life which changes suddenly. For the scenario we got our general influence from a book called Coin Locker Babies, which was written by a Japanese writer called Ryu Murakami. It talks about a baby abandoned in a coin locker. That was the general background."

>>725054923
Boomtown:
>Is it true that The Room was not originally going to be part of the Silent Hill series and that this was only changed part way through development.

Akira Yamaoka:
>In a sense this is true because the game began life as simply Room 302. However, it was always at least a spin-off of Silent Hill and the most important thing was simply that it be different to the previous games. Certainly if Silent Hill had not existed we would not have gotten the idea for The Room, so in that sense they have always been together.

Interview with Akira Yamaoka & Masashi Tsuboyama, 2004:
>https://www.silenthillmemories.net/creators/interviews/2004.08.31_tsuboyama_yamaoka_boomtown_en.htm

>>725055234
I'll believe Tsuboyama, thank you very much
https://games.kikizo.com/features/konami_interview_sep04.asp

Sometimes I come back to /v/, and I'm reminded that the opinions of most people on here are absolute horseshit, and have been for at least 10 years.

>>725054923
>>725055770
>the origins of the concept

>>725055234
>at least a spin-off
Nigga, neither interview he said it started out as a sequel.
You have konami-shilled yourself for 20 years into thinking it was always MEANT to be a main Silent Hill game.
just accept it, it never was.
Konami just slapped the name on it because they could.
I fully believe they did the same for Silent Hill F.

>it's close enough where we can work something in
>made by similar staff
You honestly think Konami wouldn't?
>Just uh... put a white flower into the backyard of the doctor
>yes, White Claudia, the drug.
that is the only connection

>umbilical cord found in the room
>why?
>uhh.. remember the guy from the paper in silent hill 2?
>no?
>the guy that killed the kids
>oh yeah.
>he was born there
>konami_gasp.wav
>wait... that might not be enough, uh... James' dad was the buildings manager.
>oh...okay..
never mentioned again
Absolute Konami.

>>725044349
>AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE my Dad found a good husband for me my life is OVER!!!!!

>>725045557
Finally, the subtlety the SH series is known for

anons, anyway - what's the progress on the SH2 normal-looking maria and angela mods? played it with the early versions, enjoyed the game immensely when it came out
did they improve it? anything new come out?
maria still looked weird, though - the mod was just for her classic outfit

>>725056098
did shf have these unique weird silent hill rooms, 1-4 had lot of them

>>725047863
>1 > 3 > F > SM > 4 >>> 2