Thread 725087670

I recently replayed KH1 and 2 on Proud and Crit mode respectively, and I'm surprised to say but I enjoyed KH1 a lot more.

2 sucks outside of the boss battles

1 sucks all around and only people who worship Youtubers beliefs otherwise

>>725087670 (OP)
Any reasoning?

>>725088313
The best/hardest fight in the game isn't even a boss.

>>725087670 (OP)
Why? 1 is better than 2 in everyway except the gummi missions and late game combat

>>725088634
the only thing better in 1 are the worlds/exploration but the control is so ass that it really offsets that

>>725088598
*magnega*

>>725088715
There's nothing wrong with the controls in 1 outside of awkward menuing (fixed in modern versions of 1fm)

>>725087670 (OP)
2 feels better to mash in but I like playing KH1 as a mage, actually using the menus primarily and exploiting elemental weaknesses. KH2 is the better action game, KH1 is a better fusion of action and RPG

>>725087670 (OP)
1 is a sum of all parts kind of game, while 2 is better for pure gameplay. They both have their merits.

>>725087670 (OP)
Did the same shit around this time last year actually. I felt the same way. I was really looking forward to my KH2 playthrough because I never beat it as a kid and I heard crit KH2 was peak action game, but I really didn't care much for it. It was more fun as an adolescent memory of button mashing than adult me actually trying to learn the mechanics and play it "right".

>>725088917
>while 2 is better for pure gameplay.
personally I still like the story and the music is excellent, its a whole package

>>725088791
*Sorcerer spawns*

>>725088598
Story is more cohesive and self contained, the darker atmosphere, Sora having a personality and character arc, the Disney worlds being integrated into the KH plot.

I can't choose between the two games, they're both my baby girls and I love and cherish them.

>>725087670 (OP)
KH1 is the only good game in general

>>725088887
>I like playing KH1 as a mage
KH2 has more than triple the amount of magic with more complexity and depth.
>and exploiting elemental weaknesses
Neither game particularly emphasizes elemental weaknesses (which is a good thing) but KH2 has more of that due to a few bosses.

>>725088972
>I heard crit KH2 was peak action game
The go-to difficulty is specifically LV.1 Crit. Crit with levels is barely distinct from Proud after you get OC/SM and if anything becomes easier.

KH1 is more consistent
KH2 has higher highs and lower lows

>>725089092
CoM
>b-but the cards-
Are great, fuck you.

>>725089049
>Story
>personality
>character arc
>plot
They're trash in both games, thankfully you can skip the cutscenes.

>>725089250
Go back to Fortnite kiddo

>>725089181
>KH2 has more than triple the amount of magic with more complexity and depth.
even if that was true, which it isn't, KH1 still lends itself better to using the menu to select magic to fight with than KH2 which is built more around melee and shortcut usage.

>>725089242
I only played that on GBA. I didn't try the remastered yet. It was aite I guess

>>725087670 (OP)
The Data fights in KH2 alone makes it better than KH1, especially the Roxas fight.

both are kino
but i'd replay 1 once or twice per year while i can replay 2 over and over, it just gets better.

>>725089242
Never played the original, maybe it's fun, but ReCoM is shit.

You guys play Melody of Memory? It's the only one I haven't touched but it looks weird for a rhythm game and I don't care for Kairi too much.

>>725089343
Roxas is easy THOUGH

>>725089219
>and lower lows
no it fucking doesnt, kh1 has so many "that part" the only thing in kh2 I can think of like that is the very begining after a replay but even that you can make a save file when you get sora

>>725089279
>consumes Mickey Mouse electronic toys for their narrative content
>calls others "kiddo"

>>725089290
>even if that was true, which it isn't
How many unique normal hit, Finisher, and Drive variants of Magic are in KH1?
>KH1 still lends itself better to using the menu to select magic to fight with than KH2
Menuing is near identical in both, KH2 just has more stuff, if you want to play menu only for challenge or whatever reason it's perfectly possible in either.
>KH2 which is built more around melee
KH1 actually emphasizes melee more due to how damage caps work, KH2's magic is far stronger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TV9i2gOTCI&

>>725089371
>You guys play Melody of Memory
i did

>>725089390
Hes not, especially when you fight him the first time on Proud.

>>725087670 (OP)
I agree OP, I prefer the weightier, slower combat of KH1. I also vastly preferred the level design and bosses. KH2 had too much backtracking and the combat had less "oomph", not to mention Olympus Coliseum was way way worse in KH2. Although Auron was absolutely sick in KH2. Man, the FF characters are a perfect representation of why I prefer KH1 over KH2.

Cid works on your GummiShip and sells you ship parts
>He's the fucking mechanic
Leon is the cool-guy you fight and aspire to be like.
Aerith hands you the Rumbling Rose and gives you the final send-off at Hollow Bastion. Cloud was being manipulated ((just like FF7) and had the coolest design), Yuffie made my pp hard, and Sephiroth was the final super secret endboss. Every single FF character has a strong purpose, a REASON for existing in KH1. KH2 is far less powerful. When I learned Sonic Blade from Cloud it felt impactful, meaningful, that Cloud gave Sonic Blade to me. I barely remember learning fira from Leon in KH2 (I think)? Zero impact. Bastion Restoration committee?
Only Auron escaping from Hell felt meaningful. fighting Cerberus with Auron in Hell was fucking sick in KH2. Well, the Gullwing keyblade was also neat. Otherwise the FF characters in KH2 were shoehorned in, they served no purpose. Oh, and Wakka/Tidus/Selphie being on Destiny Islands was also masterfully done in KH1.
KH3 isn't even worth discussing.
KH1>KH2 for the FF character's implementation alone.
>>725089437
KH2's magic was abysmal for me to get through, KH1's magic felt far better to use, even abusing aeroga "WIND" felt better every fight. Maybe I'm just biased towards Bambi and summons in general. Summons in KH2 felt like ASS to me.

>>725088598
FUCK that hallway and FUCK Sorcerers. Got stuck here for a couple of days before abusing Master Form got me through

>>725089371
>I don't care for Kairi too much.
You'll forget she's even part of it desu.

>>725089474
Would you say Critical is easier than Proud? A real quick response from (you) is all I ask

>>725089371
It's very mediocre, but worth a play through if you like rhythm games. Don't worry about the story or liking kairi or anything, you just need to look up one cutscene on youtube if you care about the story.

>>725087670 (OP)
KH2 is one of the best games in the best single player genre while KH1 is just "good". They're not even remotely in the same league you dumb casual faggot

>>725089524
NTA, but it is, because Critical gives you a damage bonus as well. Proud gives you no buffs.

anyone else have cutscene framerate problems on PC in kh2? They keep speeding up and then slowing down.

>>725089390
But he's fun and the whole mood of the fight feels amazing.

KH1: 9.5/10
KH2: 10/10
KH3: 9/10 (Carried by DLC)

so whats the best way to play kh2? the collection the original, some sort of emulation?

>>725089501
>KH2's magic was abysmal for me to get through, KH1's magic felt far

We're discussing facts, not what you "felt". KH2 Magic is objectively better.
>Maybe I'm just biased towards Bambi
The thing Stitch does better?
>summons
Again, better in 2.
>felt like ASS
>felt
Have you tried learning what's objectively in the game?

>Every single FF character has a strong purpose, a REASON for existing in KH1
Their fights (gameplay) are all better in 2.

>>725089630
PS2 is great but 30FPS
PS4 is great
PC is great with mods but might crash
PS3 is okay
Switch is bad

>perfectly fine thread about KH ruined by a 2nigger calling his game objectively good
yep just another day ending in y

>>725089630
Any of the HD versions besides PS3.

>>725089524
Yes

>>725089692
>PS3 is okay
PS3 has long loading, even during form changes. Also 30 fps.

>>725089764
Yeah, it wins by all metrics (complexity, depth, effectiveness). Magic is extremely hampered by damage caps vs bosses in KH1. 2's can melt health bars of superbosses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TV9i2gOTCI

Original soundtracks > HD remix soundtrack

>>725089859
T-there's a difference in the soundtracks? What?

Okay but what is THE best world of the series? Hate the game but KH3 has some pretty damn good ones with Tangled and Pirates.

>>725089418
>kh1 has so many "that part"
Does it ? Apart from the Colosseum tutorial and the 7000 years Riku cutscene, I cant think of anything
I guess the ending was a bit boring

>>725089895
Wonderland

>>725089836
it's 30? damn, last time i played it was when it came out. i do remember the load times being bad though yeah.

>>725089903
pretty much anytime platforming is required

>>725089874
One of the things the HD tracks did that I fucking loath is cut back on the drumming, which made a lot of the songs like Tension Rising and Rowdy Rumble less intense.

>>725089859
do the hd versions of the games have both soundtracks?
>>725089895
im pretty fond of timeless river

>>725089915
Man, being rewarded with blizzard or whatever after finding all the evidence was so satisfying. Being big/small, the flowers asking for ethers, the upside down room, such fucking kino. Then we get KH2 where it's nothing but an empty box of an "area"

>>725088887
>mage build with Gravity on Shortcut
It feels so good and rewarding

>>725090006
FFX HD has both tracks, KH HD do not.

>>725089437
>Menuing is near identical in both, KH2 just has more stuff,
you are a retard. it's not the menu itself that makes the game better for menuing, but the pace of combat. KH1 is slower, more methodical. You have more time to go into the menu to select a spell you don't have on a shortcut, or to select a limit break by getting into position to trigger it's appearance in the bottom slot and selecting it in the menu.
Finisher and drive variants of magic are not distinct from regular spells outside of Thunder having a larger aoe, they just do more damage. The Drive variants are also just either being able to move while casting, or having no magic finishers in the case of Master form. The utility magic is also more homogenized, magnet and reflect both are just big damage dealers, though at least reflect has the benefit of being a damage spell that triggers as a counter attack. Aero could both reflect projectile attacks and gives a big defense buff, while stop was purely CC. Gravity would floor any flying enemies, and in the case of the pirate ship heartless, blow up it's sail instantly.
KH2 also emphasizes melee more by having a much more expansive and fluid melee moveset for Sora than in 1, including launchers, guardbreaks, multiple finishers and completely distinct moveset changes in the forms. things being stronger than other things is not design emphasis

>>725089990
>the HD tracks did that I fucking loath is cut back on the drumming
I hate this so much, gba 13th struggle is still the best version

>>725089903
All of Monstro, all of Atlantica, all platforming, worst ultima weapon grind, worst gummi ship. Off the top of my head.

>>725089874
The remix is orchestra, which sounds more grandiose but loses a lot of edge of certain themes

>>725089630
if you play on PC use this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au0rhFks090
or at the very least use a mod for texture replacements because steam has disgusting AI upscaled ones, and use one for backup auto saving incase of crashes.

>>725089938
Maybe don't by a plateformer if you don't want to be plateforming, anon

>>725090094
>KH2's floaty always in-air combat.
that's KH3

>>725090173
maybe make the controls feel good if you want the game to be a platformer

Nobody knows you can just press triangle and Donald will heal you or that Jane tells you where to go in Deep Jungle

>>725090219
True

>>725089895
Hallow Bastion

>>725090237
you have to be born before 2000 to know that NPCs give directions

>>725090237
Screencapping this for my next playthrough

>>725090094
Turning all the worlds into hallways for combat that just felt like button mashing with QTEs was fucking awful

>>725090006
Not officially but you can mod the original OST in on PC.

>>725090173
It's an RPG first, almost nobody plays it for the platforming. They play for the RPG combat and to see if Riku and Sora will finally kiss.

>>725090237
>Nobody knows you can just press triangle and Donald will heal you
What?

>>725090057
>you are a retard. it's not the menu itself that makes the game better for menuing, but the pace of combat. KH1 is slower
I.e. it's easier for you to keep up with because you are shit. There's no reason it wouldn't be possible for a competent player to play either without shortcuts.
>more methodical
It's more methodical by being simpler and easier?
>or to select a limit break
Limits are almost all used from the menu in 2 by default and people do just fine.
>Finisher and drive variants of magic are not distinct from regular spells
>they just do more damage
How much Revenge Value does the normal hit of Final Firaga add? How much does the Finisher add?
How much knockback does the normal hit of Firaga have?
>The Drive variants are also just either being able to move while casting
How many melee attacks can non-Final magic cancel?
How many non-Final spells can be cancelled air to ground ala KH1?
How many times can you chain non-Master spells?
>magnet and reflect both are just big damage dealers
How many iframes does Magnet have? How can you skip to the Finisher of your string or inflict Finisher level hitstun with Reflect?
>that triggers as a counter attack
So it's not "just big damage dealers".
>Aero could both reflect projectile attacks and gives a big defense buff
Reflect reflects projectiles and KH2 emphasizes avoiding damage entirely.
>while stop was purely CC
Magnet is better and has far more variety in application.
>KH2 also emphasizes melee more by having a much more expansive and fluid melee moveset for Sora than in 1
Both melee and magic are more expansive in 2.
>things being stronger than other things is not design emphasis
Magic being stronger in general and vs bosses in 2 is more design emphasis.

>>725090505
K
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>>725090505
:)

>>725089856
The fact that you could visibly watch your MP bar increase as you changed your equipment or went for a magic build in KH1 automatically makes KH1 superior. The yellow bar outside the MP bar was so satisfying in KH1, KH2's bland boring "bar" that turned red if you ever healed fucking SUCKED. I want KH1's fatass MP bar back.

>>725090010
>walking up to objects that can't threaten you and selecting an item from a menu (basically watching a movie) is more "kino" than actual combat

Wonderland literally only has two required fights, while Land of Dragons has at least half a dozen (and that's just the first visit).

>>725090695
magic and MP are definitely better in 2 but i do agree that the HUD in 1 was sovlful

>>725090316
You heard me bitch there is a goddamn make donald the dick heal you button. It also sends them to attack if you're locked on. Or maybe I mixed it up.

>>725087670 (OP)
It’s a more unique and thoughtful game. For me it took time to really click even though I never necessarily disliked it. I grew to love it over periodic returns over the years. As a kid I HATED the levels. I got filtered hard, always getting lost. But it’s actually got really cool level design that doesn’t hold your hand. The Disney locations are disarming visually, but design-wise these are real dungeons that expect you to figure out where you’re going.

Destiny Island or Twilight Town

>>725090818
Destiny Island cause it's shorter and the sea

>>725090786
You're misremembering man. You can change their AI behaviour to heal more though.

>>725090695
>The fact that you could visibly watch your MP bar increase as you changed your equipment
Your MP bar increases in 2 too, it's just tied to actually beating fights instead of number grind slop.
>or went for a magic build in KH1
There's multiple different ways to boost magic by builds in KH2. Finisher Plus + Negative Combo for crowd control, Combo Plus + Fire Boost for bosses, etc.
>The yellow bar outside the MP bar was so satisfying in KH1
Its only used by 2 spells that are basically worthless by endgame.
>KH2's bland boring "bar" that turned red if you ever healed fucking SUCKED
If you use Cure in 2 at all you have a severe skill issue.

>>725090818
Destiny Islands of course but i wish we got to explore more of it by now

>>725090884
>use cure at all
2 is notorious for unavoidable damage due to many unreactable moves.

>>725090285
>>725090316

Here

>>725090925
Wait I just realized it's not actually there. I swear it makes Donald heal you when you're not locked on.

>>725090875
Why would my memory do this to me

>>725090925
>Command party members to attack a locked target with Triangle
Well I'll be damned

>>725090925
if you want donald to heal you more, you have to change his behaviour in the party settings. triangle is for making them attack your target or come to you

>>725090729
Why does having required fights make anything better?
The uniqueness, bizarreness, made wonderland far superior to anything in KH2. Saving Donald/Goofy from their cages fighting card soldiers (unique world-specific enemies which don't fucking EXIST in KH2) also the Cheshire cat following you around.
>>725090748
I'd agree with you if not for one simple fact: Bambi. Bambi dancing across my screen as I pick up the MP bubbles injects pure serotonin into my brain. It's not subjective, there's also the yellow line outside the MP bar in KH1 that feels sooo good to fuel up in KH1. KH2's magic feels yucky and gross.
>>725090884
What about leaf bracer, using cure shouldn't be a punishment.
>Your MP bar increases in 2 too
Huh? It's a singular bar, if it ever increases it's barely noticeable. Donald having a fat MP bar and Goofy having a fat HP bar was a purposeful decision in KH1, made it clear who was the tank and who was the mage. KH2 the party felt less impactful, they were always knocked out. Another reason I prefer KH1 over KH2.

The animations and graphics still hold up pretty well overall, was definitely punching above its weight for the time.

>>725091032
Thank Namine

>>725091058
The devs were so into animating because they wanted to show off to Disney or even surpass them. There something like 500 animations that theh never got to put in the game. Even if you like 1 more than 2 you can tell the same guys must have been in charge becuase the Nobody animations are insane. And there's shit like this. It's just a hanging off a ledge animation.

>>725090464
>I.e. it's easier for you to keep up with because you are shit. There's no reason it wouldn't be possible for a competent player to play either without shortcuts.
I never said otherwise, but you literally cannot deny that KH1 is slower, and therefore lends itself more to methodical menu usage which is why you had to resort to saying I'm bad.
>Limits are almost all used from the menu in 2 by default and people do just fine.
wrong, people usually just equip auto limit and press triangle to use them.
>muh revenge values and i-frames
nobody is using fucking magnet to i-frame shit when you have reflect, and the singular distinct thing I remember about revenge values and fire is that fire doesn't have any and you can just spam data waterboy to death taking advantage of this
>a counter attack isn't a damage dealer
lol
>magnet is better
it's also more homogenizied in function, that being a big damage dealer thing that groups enemies up so you can deal damage to them easier. stop required you to manually group enemies up if you wanted that, otherwise it was used to freeze some enemies while dealing with another, making it's usage more interesting because it wasn't a big "I kill the entire room" button
>it is design emphasis because I say so
wrong

>>725091201
i love this game way too much

>>725091053
>Why does having required fights make anything better?
Because that's the actual content in the video game which you clear to achieve the video game's win condition?

>The uniqueness, bizarreness
Which part of that translates to a good game? What you described was equivalent to watching a movie. How does walking up to a flower and pressing "Ether" while at no risk compare with fighting Shan Yu?
>Saving Donald/Goofy from their cages fighting card soldiers
Wow, you named 1 of 2 mandatory fights in Wonderland.
>unique world-specific enemies which don't fucking EXIST in KH2
How many worlds do Pirates show up in?
>Bambi
You were already told that Stitch does the same shit better, with more functions than just refilling MP.
>sooo good
>yucky
>gross
Did you just inject your estrogen or something?
>What about leaf bracer
Doesn't exist in a LV.1 run.
>using cure shouldn't be a punishment
Its not, but it's not a great healing option.
>'s a singular bar, if it ever increases it's barely noticeable
You should try actually playing games instead of shooting up female hormones and spouting nonsense.

>>725091259
Square was still pretty great before the PS3.

>>725091201
soul
>>725091231
soul
>>725091259
soul

>>725090464
>Magic being stronger in general and vs bosses in 2 is more design emphasis.
DMC4 has a distorted real impact design emphasis because it explodes everything very goodly - you

Yeah I got filtered by captain hook

KH1 feels a lot better once you realize how busted magic and auto canceled attacks are.

>>725091460
Gravity being busted and making the combat outside bosses trivial does not make it better.

>>725091378
He's pretty frustrating on Proud with his shitty frame one bullshit
>>725091460
Best feeling in KH1 combat was deflecting projectiles, that alone made it feel great to me

i think the only thing i miss from KH1 combat are tech points
KH3 should've had reaction commands and tech points to make enemies as engaging as possible to deal with

>>725091202
>KH1 is slower
Why would I want to deny that, it's one of the reasons 2 is better.
>lends itself more to methodical menu usage
No, it just means it's easier and more accessible for bad players like you.
>you had to resort to saying I'm bad
What do you mean "resort", you're objectively bad at the game as you've admitted to finding the pace unmanageable and showcased a severe deficit in knowledge about basic game mechanics.
> usually just equip auto limit and press triangle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6N_x42y49o

Which part of did he use auto limit in? How would you use Genie's Limits that way, or Ars Arcanum?
>nobody is using fucking magnet to i-frame shit
Because it doesn't have iframes, which means Reflect has distinct utility Magnet doesn't. What happened to "damage dealing only".
>the singular distinct thing I remember about revenge values and fire is that fire doesn't have any
Which one? And what happened to "Finisher and drive variants of magic are not distinct from regular spells outside of Thunder having a larger aoe, they just do more damage"?
>, that being a big damage dealer thing that groups enemies up so you can deal damage to them easier
You mean that it basically applies a unique disabling status, launches, has instant finisher level hitstun, skips to the finisher, and creates "rapid hit" interactions; as well as having 4 different variants
>so you can deal damage to them
Why is Magnet commonly used vs Data Xaldin?
>otherwise it was used to freeze some enemies while dealing with another
And Magnet is used in 4 different variants with a wider variety of attacks with various different interactions with different systems (like the normal hit -> finisher system) and nuances like the rapid hit abuse.
>it wasn't a big "I kill the entire room" button
But enough about KH1 Trinity.
>>it is design emphasis because
Magic being stronger in general and vs bosses in 2 is more design emphasis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TV9i2gOTCI&

>>725091583
>Sitting there on Destiny Island grinding through deflecting Wakka balls and earning one tech point each time
Good memories

>>725091353
Yes it does, and Dante's horribly designed/balanced/botched moveset is one of the reasons it's dogshit.

>>725091268
Look, I get you're trying to be objective and I respect that, but there are certain things KH1 strictly does better than KH2, and that's certainly the level design.
Wonderland is a perfect example of that, it's unique and respectful of it's source material. You start out in a crazy hallway that leads to the room with the doorknob, where you drink the make me small drink and enter the Queen's courtyard.
What do you do in Mulan's world, whatever it was called? There's a generic camp (an empty box where you fight heartless) and then there's a hallway (the mountainside) where you fight more heartless and then you go to the courtyard where it's another empty box where you fight more heartless. *yaaaaawn*
Wonderland has you in the forest where you're big/tall eating acorns and then you enter the area with a big long table and you have to pick the right answer or heartless attack you or you get items/healing and then you have to light the candles in the next area which is upside down and then you enter the TOP of the FIRST area above the fireplace next to the evidence and if you gather all the evidence you learn Blizzard early which is strong vs the area's boss.
What the fuck does KH2 do? Nothing compare to this.
Every area of KH1 is unique and special, that's not subjective that's fact. KH2 is boring, bland, hallways upon hallways and backtracking to world's you've already been to.
I drew a map of the forest area of Wonderland for you to better understand how much more exploration there is in KH1 compared to KH2. Finding Aeroga and other Gummi parts in KH1 was far far better than finding synthesis materials in KH2.

>>725087670 (OP)
I hate disneyshit so I won't play KH

>>725091268
See this? This is excellent level design, especially compared to KH2's bland hallways.

Disney had better animation in the 40s than everyone has today
KH2 had better combat in 05 than anything today
poetic really

>>725091746
>and that's certainly the level design
In a game where the mechanics and actual win/lose conditions revolve around combat, running around playing a crappy not-adventure game isn't good level design.
>where you drink the make me small drink
You mean you did simon says in a menu while nothing in the game posed a risk to you?
>What do you do in Mulan's world
Combat, the point of the game that 99% of the mechanics revolve around and that can actually lead to a Game Over screen.

I'd kill for a good expanded Olympus Colosseum. Not the world itself, but more arena shit.

>>725091616
>people usually use auto limit
>oh yeah here's a fucking level 1 crit mode any% speedrun
oh ok you're just retarded, go pester someone else for the human interaction you're oh so desperate for

>>725091983
>shitter intimidated by what a good player looks like
Try learning from his videos and you might not embarrass yourself as much next time.

Please stop arguing, you're making Roxas sad.

>>725092057
Good. Roxas is a fuck boi.

>>725092042
>KH1 is slower, giving more room to play the game like an RPG
>I agree but you're bad at the games for pointing this out
>also I worship a speedrunner
hilarious stuff

>>725092083
Don't talk about my fucking husband like that you faggot little shit

>>725092042
But is that you? Where's YOUR webms? No, don't post that one Roxas one.

this nigga is pushing 40
time for a reboot

>>725092192
I'm surprised they're still letting him voice Sora after his recent drunken jew hating he spewed at those cops.

>>725092192
>>725092281
Source he is still voicing Sora? Wouldn't be surprised they go with a new voice actor to go along with the new shitty look.

>>725092281
It's a Disney project, if anything this behavior is encouraged.

>>725092281
I didn’t even know he was a real actor before tonight. Thought he was just some D list voice actor like all the celebrity replacements for the Disney characters.

One thing I have to complain about in KH2 is that you don't get access to a dodge roll until you unlock Limit Form. If you played the original version, you don't get it at all, it's just replaced by that air slide move with its painfully long recovery frames. It makes Critical mode genuinely miserable for certain boss fights. Sure, you can block most attacks, but let's be real, ten out of ten people would rather have a reliable dodge. Imagine if Dark Souls locked the dodge roll until halfway through the game. It would drive you nuts too.

>>725092407
Yeah if you hear him in The Boys, his Sora slips out a ton.

>>725087670 (OP)
Never played KH, but these games have been calling me since i was a kid. Seeing the box art on the shelves evoked such a mysterious feeling, i intuited that they were the peak of video games for some reason, yet i never sought to buy or play them.
Something about them just brings me these immense feelings of nostalgia.

>>725091231
>*0 combo cheeses him*
get owned

>>725092425
eh even the dodge roll in 2 feels pretty bad compared to 1's. it's a hard adjustment to make off of 1's extremely busted dodge roll but I quite liked the commitment to making the game clearly designed around standing your ground defense wise with blocking and reflect.

>>725092425
I definitely agree with this shit, Quick Run was a horrible replacement for Dodge Roll
>>725092494
You won't like it as much as you would have as a child, but they're short games so I recommend giving it a shot

KH1 was pure kino, and the series should have been a duology with the 2nd game focused exclusively on bringing Riku home and reuniting with Kairi

i'm the best KH2 player ITT heh

>>725092407
HE WAS IN THE ENTOURAGE MOVIE, DUDE. HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW THAT?

>>725090505
The damage this bratty little fairy must have done to my still-developing mind...

>>725092494
let this kinographic ad be the final nail in the "not playing a masterpiece" coffin that makes you purchase the HD bundle with most of the games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNvTWohCFjI

>>725092690
>That SquareSoft whisper
They truly were the days of our life

>>725093004
how the fuck was SquareSoft so fucking good

Half of the replies in this thread were just me, I was excited the boys were talking about my favorite game instead of making fun of it

reminder that if you equipped an ability you didnt beat the game.

>>725092579
I believed that since I was a kid, 2 going to anime bullshit territory was lame.
Imagine if instead we kept the Disney-esque plot of saving Kairi, Saving Riku from the Darkness by helping him conquer it, reuniting, and going back to Destiny Island to face (leaving neverland) and growing up, accepting the fate of living our own destiny and world, not escapism by interfering with other worlds.
Series end.
But that's how I would have wanted it to go, I really hated the Tonal shift from KH1 to KH2, it lost the simple charm of Disney and a childs coming of age fairytale story.

>>725093118
No Damage
No Items
No Magic
No Summons
No Limits
No Drive
No Abilities
No Equipment
No Accessories
No Lock On
No Jumping
No Lube
No Condom

>>725092604
Is this a /tv/ classic?

>>725093186
>2 going to anime bullshit territory was lame
But it brought us kino as fuck moments like the Xemnas laser dome

>>725092690
I'll never stop missing pre-merger Square.
>>725093053
15+ years of experience hit at the crossroads between emerging technology and still only needing a small handful of devs to make fully fledged products. They were all 30's-40's year old otaku of a broad range of experiences, rather than just being weebs many of them we're into classical literature, the actual arts and grew up in the 80's during economic hard times in Japan while also going through a population shift, the old guard was retiring and aging and it brought with it progressive ideas.

>>725088598
I don't remember this hallway

>>725093372
Then you are a casual scrub.

>>725092407
He was the kid in AI artificial intelligence and Sixth Sense.

>>725093396
probably, I played on normal
is this a deadly hallway in proud or something

>>725093372
It's FM only

>>725093285
You could have very easily rewritten the plot of CoM and KH2 into one game that tied up all the loose ends instead of going into time travel and universe hopping bs

>>725093372
It's postgame from Final Mix

>>725092192
No he will use his old man voice for Master of Master's real face reveal

>>725093419
Its the room right before the one with the Organization 13 Data fights so its full of asshole enemies.

I am still let down about how little Proud and Critical mode change the game, and I guess Kingdom Hearts 2, I never played it until last year, me personally I like KH1 and BBS the most.
It's probably because I had fairly unreasonable expectations of KH2 after like, 20 years of fantasizing about it.
I only ever played KH1.

>>725093419
it's a final mix exclusive optional dungeon with the hardest fights in the game
that last fight on level 1 is no joke
kinda like the final heartless fight in KH1 but harder thanks to pic related

>>725093424
>>725093441
I played the collection so it should have FM content
Is this the mushroom cave that I was too scared to explore
I believe I at least went to get bullied by the armor

>>725093118
Reminder that Cloud literally hands you an ability which means abilities are real things Sora is putting somewhere I his brain or heart of some shit I have no idea.

>>725088598
>>725089015
This didn't filter me, but it took me a while with my level 1 critical run. I don't remember what got me past them, probably Duck Flare after some weeks. But the superbosses themselves? I never beat them. I saw all the BLACK shrooms I had left and my inability to remain calm under data Luxord to finish the last minigame and just burned out. This was before the games got ported to PC. The 60 fps hacks for PS3/2 never got their physics fixed.

>>725093484
Remember when that pipe exploded near Yuna/Rikku/Paine and there was a little cave? It's right near Ansems computer room.

>>725093479
These things were made specifically as a check to see if you leveled your forms so you have the spin jump the deflects attacks.

>>725093496
Thinking about Cloud stepping on Sora's stupid clown shoes and his head opening up like a flip top garbage can to put Sonic Rave in.

>>725087670 (OP)
Kingdom Hearts is the nortubel of Square

>>725093551
ya I might be confusing it with mushroom things but I think I'm thinking about the same one

Fragmentary Passage doesn't get enough love, I would have killed for a full game of just going around the realm of darkness as Aqua.

The fact that Squall never got to reunite with Rinoa is a crime

>>725091259
I love how all the Nobodies are FF job classes (except Marluxia but YoshiP actually made it a job because of KH) and that one is specifically a homage to Kain's Amano art.

It's also really funny to me how much NES and SNES FF are in KH that everyone thinks are KH things. Light and darkness is from the old FF games. Even nothingness is. Kain and Cecil inspired Riku too.

Oh and also fuck the coat mushroom guy in the Pirates of The Caribbean world
How the fuck was I supposed to know you were supposed to fucking wail on it and not just bop it once like the Black Ballade?

Were you a bad enough dude to get the golden crown? I did it twice on PS4 and then again when the games came out on PC.

>>725093757
light and darkness was in the bible son

also I see the cecil inspiration for riku, but where kain

>>725093725
We were legitimately going to get a BBS 2 at one point but it never happened. Fucked up post apocalyptic Disney worlds were kino and something I dont think any game did. And the atmosphere was great.

>>725093783
level 1 gold crown
shoutout to Yachi Nanase

>>725093479
The Nobody designs are all so fucking cool and have the best animations in all of gaming.

>>725093783
Yeah but I cheesed Terra. I've never been good enough to beat him legit.
>>725093779
For me it was the one you had to juggle, fuck that shit.

>>725093804
Oh yeah I forgot about the bible.

it's neat that DDD is kind of the ESB of KH

>>725093783
I'm not even a bad enough dude to beat Sephiroth on Critical and I've been playing KH games for more than two decades

>>725093804
Traitor/darkness, possessed by the big bad and I think he liked Kairi but romance is played down so much it might as well not be there. And I guess he goes purple.

>>725093893
χ-BLADE!

>>725093982
>hey guys have you seen the new reveals for KH?

This image hurts because the only reveal we had in years was a black telephone.

>>725094068
cecil was also purple though
also Kain was mind controlled each time he was bad (I think? I lose count) whereas Riku was more manipulated I think
they definitely underplayed the riku-kairi connection after the first game
so okay I'll give you that

Darth Vader superboss and lightsaber keyblade in KH4 pls pls pls pls pls

>>725094229
star wars world with the intro cutscene being the opening to a new hope, but with stormtrooper heartless would make my day

>>725094137
Ansem straight up steals his body near the end. Whenever you see Ansem as a human it's actually Riku. Ansem was just a potato sack.

>>725094229
>>725094280

>they dont know

Andor and an atst were in the KH4 trailer but for some reason instead of making a big deal announcing it we got the equivalent of a big foot picture and everyone thinks it's a rock.

>>725094314
>Ansem was just a potato sack.
He had some cool lines though

>>725094314
Well, actually Ansem is a disembodied heart, housed inside the potato sack.

>>725094280
Star Wars is a weird thing to adapt to KH with it being a universe comprised of many worlds. I could understand just having the Death Star be its own world, but a whole galaxy seems ridiculous.

>>725094475
I miss Billy Zane
His voice was like butter. It's weird remembering the actual Ansem was Christopher Lee too

>>725090081
>Monstro

Go in the green doors

surely, treasure planet pirates raiding the gummi ship..

>>725088598
*summons stitch*
nothin personell, hallway

>>725094553
It's not bad because it's hard to navigate. It's just a weak and boring world.

>>725094618
But it has good music

>>725094618
Its kind of lame whenever a world isnt actually the full movie but I dont hate them. Monstro, Neverland, Deep Space in BBS. I dont know if there are anymore.

>>725094561
That movie is gorgeous but I cant ever seeing it being acknowledged in anything ever again.

Then again Nomura did Tron for KH2 who the fuck knows

>>725094229
>>725094412
>>725094504
What would be really cool is if Sheev became the equivalent of Maleficent in KH1, considering the the dark side of the force could easily be equated with the darkness itself and the Empire would be invading other worlds as an overarching antagonist.

>>725094486
Actually there are 14 ansems and a real fake Ansem that disguised himself as a disguised Ansem so nobody would know Ansem is Ansem in the game where Riku looked like Ansem and Ansem didn't look like Ansem and Ansem was actually an Aryan blue eyed blonde Christopher Lee who fucking killed a man in WW1.

>>725095093
>considering the the dark side of the force could easily be equated with the darkness itself

I never got very deep into Star Wars but I love the OT and I really want to know how Nomura is going to combine Star Wars and Kingdom Hearts lore. The old movies made it actually interesting to think about since it was pretty vague until the prequels did midichlorians.

I would kill for worlds to actually be able to crossover like that but it was a Disney rule so I never have my hopes up. I think characters should be able to leabe their worlds like Maleficent and Merlin and Rattouie though.

I know Star Wars is so over exposed now but imagining Sheev and Sora interact actually has me really fucking excited. Sora has a rage form and shit what if Sheev tries to tempt him into darkness. Or fucking if its Empire that means Riku could bond with Luke since Luke was starting to be tempted

My chuuni is coming back guys.... I thought it was dead.

>>725095423
it'll be funny if the first world visit ends with the first death star blowing up, and then the second visit the second death star is already under construction

more seriously, I don't know how they'd even pick which movie to do (first). ANH has nothing about darkness. RotJ is the most thematically relevant, but kind of boxes you into not being able to cover the prior two movies. ESB is in between and lacks the climaxes of the other two.

Probably they'll just take ANH and retroactively add some darkness in there? Weaving the gummi ship into the final death star run will also be cool as shit. Even better if they weave in the opening star destroyer shot too to kick off the world.

>>725089343
>The Data fights
>it gets good in the postgame i swear!
thanks for admitting KH2 is shit.

>>725095917
Endor is in the trailer so I'm just assuming we will skip to ESB. But I have no idea how that will work. Seeing Ewoks in Kingdom Hearts for the first time is going go be something.

Nomura said we will have less worlds but they will be bigger too. So I imagine we will have multiple planets and the death star.

>>725089181
>complexity and depth
>braindead magnet into firage/thunder spam
>braindead reflect spam
>braindead free curaga that basically has 0 cost because you can use it just before your magic bar runs out

>>725095093
>>725095423
It's funny how perfect of a villain Sheev is for KH, right down to the black cloak. It would really be going full circle from Xemnas and his lightsabers. I wonder what kind of heartless the Empire would have.

>>725099171
lazy option would be just to slap the heartless emblems on the existing droids and call it a day.
Else it'd probably be original droid-themed emblem heartless, and cloaked lightsaber wielding pureblood heartless

>>725089371
I pirated and enjoyed it, but would never pay money for it.
Maybe if it was 5 or 10 bucks.

>>725089895
I fucking hated pirates in kh3 when you first went through it, but had a lot of fun when I went back to it post game to collect shit I was missing.

>>725087670 (OP)
They tried a bit harder in 3 but they never managed to recapture the perfect blend of FF and The Mouse that they had in KH1 Hollow Bastion

>>725087670 (OP)
What's so great about Kingdom Hearts? It looks like a child's gateway into Final Fantasy. The Disney shit turns me off, honestly.

>>725093757
Its really funny seeing FF "fans" get mad over stuff in KH that literally came straight out of old FF games

>>725091827
Yeah the shit you see in Pinocchio and Fantasia is nuts. Those two plus BatB and Lion King are the peak of the medium having them incorporated into a Square game was kino.

>>725089895
For me it's
Hollow Bastion
KH1 Halloween Town
Timeless River
Symphony of Sorcery
The Caribbean

>>725100027
Kh1 is a very charming game.
Kh2 is the GOAT action rpg.

>>725091616
Being faster isn't in anyway inherently better you haven't given a single non-vibe based answer why

Reflect genuinely sucked because of how strong it was. Same as the mimic tear in Elden Ring

At least we can agree BBS was a major downgrade