Thread 725116648

Are you feeling Akira reference fatigue?

anime references are preferable to boomer pedowood action movie references

>>725116648 (OP)
Do I need to post a Youtube video of all the times games, movies, cartoons, comics, etc have referenced Akira in some way for the last 40 years, or can we skip to the end where I call you an idiot and you abandon the thread in shame?

>This game is gonna be a certified banger because it references that one show that me and all my friends from reddit like!
Jesus christ wtf happened to video games bro

okay but why is it always just the slide

>>725116648 (OP)
No because I'm not a weeb and do not consume such trash products

>>725116894
>Akira
>show
Embarrassing post.

>>725116924
if it's not the slide its bad.

I have never seen an akira reference relating to anything other than the first 10 minutes of the film

>>725116648 (OP)
>referenced for decades based purely on aesthetics and not the contents of the work itself
Yeah because outside of the aesthetics and animation, it's mediocre shit like all those 80s anime "masterpieces"

>>725116924
It's hard to write a diegetic reference to a teenager turning into a blob monster.

>>725117157
>>725117240
I have but only in actual anime and murdoch murdoch

>>725116648 (OP)
>Anime
Gay and cringe
>Anime reference by westerner troons
Even gayer and cringier

>>725116648 (OP)
Yes.

>/v/ acting like its taste was ever beyond "HOLY SHIT AKIRA SLIIIIIIIDE"
lol

>>725117437
/v/ confirmed this when nintendo put out an akira reference at the same time and they started saying its different and OK

>>725116648 (OP)
For me its the white nuke.

>>725116648 (OP)
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the content of Akira

Why don’t game developers reference actually good 80s animated movies like Watership Down

>>725116648 (OP)
Akira's aesthetics ARE part of the content of the work. That goes for every anime and every other visual medium. I'm sick of Akira bike homages just as much as the next guy but this is a retarded way to put it.

>>725116832
>b-b-b-b-buhwhatabout
Shut the fuck up, retard.

>>725116894
It's all your fault

>>725117437
Most of these series were liked by /a/ before they were doing the contrarian bit.

It's like if there was an "/a/'s rekmendud vidya" list that included New Vegas, Nier and Chrono Trigger.

Referenceslop comes from the same lack of creativity as remakeslop.

>>725116648 (OP)
Because said content barely makes any sense and Akira wouldn't have got 10% of its reputation if it wasn't cool looking
Afaik the movie skipped a bunch of things from the manga and that's why it's a mess

>>725116648 (OP)
Twin Peaks is the same. People love referencing its aesthetics and atmosphere but it's always just skin deep (because if you dig deeper you find out its full of rape)

>>725118109
TTGL was liked all of 4chan. It's why moot embedded the hidden "Row Row Fight the Powa" video.

>>725118109
>Most of these series were liked by /a/ before they were doing the contrarian bit.
The issue is actually that these are the only anime /v/ would talk about, and a majority of them had been discussed to death already on /a/, with a majority of active posters having moved on to newer works (several of the works in that list aired while /a/ was around).
It's not "contrarianism", it's just that /v/'s anime taste is entirely rooted in the things users here saw as a child (or the literal first anime they saw) and never grew beyond that.
>It's like if there was an "/a/'s rekmendud vidya" list that included New Vegas, Nier and Chrono Trigger.
Not really today, considering most of current /a/ is just /v/ crossposters subsisting on normalfag generals. There's probably about 5 actual /a/ posters.

>>725117170
It’s literally missing 80% of the story, read the manga

>>725118309
>and never grew beyond that.
If your tastes were actually "growing" you would not watch modern anime at all.

>>725118734
See what I mean?
You're locked into the idea that the only worthwhile anime are the shit you saw on Toonami (or, more likely, what a youtuber told you was good when you were 9).

>>725117437
What's Acchi Kocchi?

>>725116648 (OP)
>bike slide
man, do I feel bad for Metroid faggots.
A literal vagina exploration world video game after waiting a decade for a new game wasn't enough

>>725118796
Nice strawman.
Modern anime is soulless corporate slop you SUSSY BAKA KYAAA UWU *blushes* *gets incarnated as a slime in another world*

>>725118934
>Modern anime is soulless corporate slop
Most of your favourite anime probably fit that description.

>>725118082
"bro"

>>725117157
most references are to the most obvious parts and have no point beyond associating a product with another well liked product in an attempt to coast on the latter's success.

>>725116648 (OP)
The best is always when those reference anime as though they are "huge fans" who simultaneously erase and replace everything about it that makes it appealing when given the opportunity.

>>725118796
nta, but I've mostly moved on from watching current anime adaptations and instead reading the original manga.

I have fatigue thread fatigue.

>>725117092
An Akira anime was announced in 2019, so technically...

>>725118998
the very fact that my preferred anime are not seen as profitable by corporations, means its not corporate-slop.

Its just a fact, that the industry has been even further corporatized. And on the artist side, taken over by otaku with no life experience to share.
There is no great anime director to replace the dying generation.

>If you don’t spend time watching real people, you can’t do this, because you’ve never seen it.
>Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves.
>Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know.
>It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans.
>And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!

>>725116648 (OP)
the video game industry has been creatively bankrupt for over two decades so it's not shocking to me that they all keep using the same tired old references.

I like Berserk and Dark Souls but I quit playing Blasphemous 2 because of how gay and reddit they were with the references to those things

>>725116648 (OP)
No?

>>725119798
>the very fact that my preferred anime are not seen as profitable by corporations, means its not corporate-slop.
Yet you won't say what those are.
You just quote Miyazaki (a personally groomed animator who had his say of where he could work and went to the best schools even as a rookie in the industry, and also someone whose style is so corporate that it is now the face of AI 'art') and act like you've happened upon some deep insight.

The bike slide is a cool shot and I don't mind seeing it.

>>725120153
>>725120263
Only the ones who had the spark flying understood the assignment.

>>725120153
>>725120263
i think the world is ruined, maybe it always was.

>>725116648 (OP)
It's really weird how this is literally the only thing they reference too.

>>725120948
because its the easiest shit for devs to reference despite not watching the movie

>>725120153
>>725120263
When anime and older cartoons are referencing it it looks fine, but when modern cartoons try to emulate it it comes out looking like complete shit. I wish modern Western animation wasn't so fucking ugly.

I have soulless reference fatigue

>>725121710
>he says as he references a meme

>>725121758
Just correcting op, Akira isn't the problem

>>725121710
I have chronic fatigue.
I just wanna die

>>725116648 (OP)
since ages ago

>>725119798
>>725120372
I thought Miyazaki was full of shit with this quote until I started watching more modern isekai series, regurgitating the same RPG-lite world.

Hell, they don't even try to do TTRPG mechanics, it's all a surface level knowledge of DQ or MMOs.

>>725116894
akira's a film but whatever
>>725116648 (OP)
It's an ok film. It's 100% visuals and world building over story, but it's not a bad film. way better than any modern sloppa

>>725122086
>I thought Miyazaki was full of shit with this quote until I started watching more modern isekai series, regurgitating the same RPG-lite world.
That has nothing to do with modern anime. That's simply down to the popularity of WNs among current audiences, and what people love to leave out is that Miyazaki said all that in the 1980s. He wasn't talking about any of the shit you complain about, he was talking about Gunbuster, about Macross, about Gundam, about Nadia, about Urusei Yatsura, about Megazone, and so on and so on.

>>725116850
Do it, I always find it interesting
The OG Palworld trailer, before they switched engine, had the Akira Slide on a wolf

>>725116924
this is forced slide not pure slide

>>725122302
miyazaki was just trolling because he's a fag like that.

>>725122302
I'm aware that he wasn't talking about modern anime, that's why I thought he was full of shit. Even the moe obsessed otakus of the 80s still seemed to have appreciation for some semblance of humanity in the works they consumed/created.

>>725116648 (OP)
contents of said work
>biker gangs in a run-down city ride their bikes around with flashy animation for 20 minutes
>rest is boring shit about telekinetic aliens
wow. i wonder why nobody focuses on da message. maybe because IT FUCKING SUCKS!

>>725122994
>I'm aware that he wasn't talking about modern anime, that's why I thought he was full of shit.
So you're just taking a quote from a bigger name to go "Look, he agrees with me about this other thing he wasn't talking about!", got it.
>Even the moe obsessed otakus of the 80s still seemed to have appreciation for some semblance of humanity in the works they consumed/created.
You posted Gundam, a series that directly proves the opposite.

>>725116648 (OP)
people who say akira is aesthetic and not content have no imagination. akira does better with broad strokes what other movies do worse with too much detail. it's a great representation of the brevity of manga, which allows the reader/viewer to fill in the gaps with their own imagination. the people who complain about that are infantile consumers who want milky now.

>>725123570
Imagination is worthless. Read Spinoza.

>>725116648 (OP)
But it looks cool

>>725123227
>So you're just taking a quote from a bigger name to go "Look, he agrees with me about this other thing he wasn't talking about!", got it.
No, you fucking retard. What I meant is that I didn't get his point as the problem he complained about in the time period he complained about it seemed like an "old man yells at cloud" type of thing. Now that the thing he complained about became the norm, I understood his point. I was replying to the anon using the quote about the quote, not about his complaints.

>You posted Gundam, a series that directly proves the opposite.
The fuck do you mean? What was "produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans" from Gundam in the 80s?

>>725120263
This is such a visually economic sequence, though. How many other ways can you stylishly show a bike coming to a stop with a fixed perspective like this? This angle perfectly showcases the rider and the vehicle. The way they take up the whole screen in the first frame and then slide into center screen gives the viewer a clear sense of location. Its very effective visual story telling. This was destined to graduate from homage to cliche, it just works too well.

No, and neither should anyone. Cool things are cool.

>>725124281
>What I meant is that I didn't get his point as the problem he complained about in the time period he complained about it seemed like an "old man yells at cloud" type of thing. Now that the thing he complained about became the norm, I understood his point.
The things he was complaining about were the fucking norm back then, and today it is NOT what is the norm.
Again, you're misattributing and misapplying a quote and solely using it because you want to have that big name agreeing with you.
>What was "produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans" from Gundam in the 80s?
Z Gundam and explicitly Gundam ZZ are that, yes.

>>725120153
>>725120263
Animators mostly do this because they are giant animation fans and have probably all seen and studied Akira and think the motorcycle slide is an extremely badass sequence. They copy it because of that, not necessarily as a way to advertise their movie or show. They know the reference is gonna be lost on most people, especially western audiences, and don't fucking care one bit. They're animation nerds doing their thing. It's no different than writers referencing old shit like Shakespeare. Most people won't care, but they think it's neat.

>>725123809
spinoza is analogous to the greek concept of aspects of the ideal. human experience is defined by aspects. your assertion that spinoza's perspective is that imagination is "worthless" is naive. the point is not that imagination is worthless, but that it is fundamentally "less than" reality, and so inherently erroneous. you should actually take your own advice and read spinoza, moron.

>>725125284
Wrong. Imagination literally kills your brain.

>>725125361
>i am a retard
retard

>>725125416
Yeah, we don't sign our posts on this site. Try again.

>>725125457
t. coping retard

>>725116648 (OP)
you'd have to know what Akira is first to have fatigue about references to it

>>725116648 (OP)
nobody actually watched it

>>725124449
>The things he was complaining about were the fucking norm back then, and today it is NOT what is the norm
So today the norm with isekai is not to create works and characters based solely on the regurgitation of previous works without anything based on life experiences? That was only done in the 80s with moe anime?
>Again, you're misattributing and misapplying a quote and solely using it because you want to have that big name agreeing with you.
Jesus Christ, take that stick out of your fucking ass. I wasn't agreeing with the first anon to say that modern anime is finished and I wasn't trying to make that my point. I'm not using Miyazaki quotes to back up my claims, that's just how I understood his point.
>Z Gundam and explicitly Gundam ZZ are that, yes.
Depicting human conflict and the bad side of people means that you can't stand looking at other humans? Or is it just because of the lolicons who created the Purus?

>>725125941
>So today the norm with isekai is not to create works and characters based solely on the regurgitation of previous works without anything based on life experiences?
Yes, but that's not what anime is. That's what WNs are. Miyazaki's complaints were specifically on the people creating new anime. It would be like if he was actually talking about a promo for McDonalds to take it the way you're taking it.
>Depicting human conflict and the bad side of people means that you can't stand looking at other humans?
The issue is the sheer inhumanity of that conflict. They are works that hate humanity and fundamentally fail to understand human beings, with ZZ going the extra mile to delve into every Miyazaki hated at that time, with inhuman anime girls rubbing their tits all over the protagonist, who is just trying to save his equally under-characterized and borderline non-existent imouto archetype, only to be interrupted by another, non-blood-related imouto archetype.
Gundam ZZ is an otaku-made anime that lacks any real humanity in the way Miyazaki would view it.

Additionally, your obsession with isekai belays how little you actually know about or watch within the anime sphere.

>>725116924
It is just a fucking cool animation sequence. Imagine you'd never seen it before. It's extremely well done, well animated and original as fuck at the time.

>>725125654
O algo. Forgot the meme arrow.

>>725117157
What about that old South Park episode?

>>725122102>>725116648 (OP)

I like Akira more in the wider context of Cyberpunk and Philip K. Dick's writings. It's insubstantial on it's own, mostly because it covers so very little of the manga, but unlike most modern writing, it doesn't divorce cyberpunk from it's altered states of reality and psychospiritual themes and just lazily borrow the aesthetics.
The ending of Akira reminds me very much of the ending to The Man in the High Castle, it's just been animeified

I can't stand modern cyberpunk's wrongheaded obsession with capitalism, corporations, and the internet.

>>725116648 (OP)
No, I just hate having the ability to tell when people are putting it to be hip and when people are putting it in when they actually like it.

>>725125361
I'm spinning an apple in my head right now.

>>725126247
>Yes, but that's not what anime is. That's what WNs are. Miyazaki's complaints were specifically on the people creating new anime. It would be like if he was actually talking about a promo for McDonalds to take it the way you're taking it.
When multiple WN/LN anime adaptations are coming out each season without fail, it becomes a problem with a portion of released anime.
>Gundam ZZ is an otaku-made anime that lacks any real humanity in the way Miyazaki would view it.
Ok, I'll concede with that. Using Zeta as an example still seems like a stretch to me.
>Additionally, your obsession with isekai belays how little you actually know about or watch within the anime sphere.
Dude, obsession? I gave that genre its fair chance but the shows that I watched were underwhelming. And I don't need your fucking approval of being an anime pro, I watch whatever interests me, old or new.

>>725128342
>When multiple WN/LN anime adaptations are coming out each season without fail, it becomes a problem with a portion of released anime.
No, that's a problem with the people who consume anime.
WNs wouldn't be adapted if they weren't successful, and nearly all of the adaptations being from one company is, again, a consumer problem.
>Dude, obsession? I gave that genre its fair chance but the shows that I watched were underwhelming. And I don't need your fucking approval of being an anime pro, I watch whatever interests me, old or new.
Then your insight on this matter is completely worthless.

>>725116648 (OP)
I have phone faggot and twitter thread fatigue.

>>725117157
Homestar Runner of all fucking things did. In fucking 2003 no less.

>>725116648 (OP)
Not really cuz the only reference they do is the bike thing.... i want a cool Tetsuo Cape and mutant arm.... i wanna have wicked mind powers with weird 45 year old children. But no all i get is the supid bike cutscene everytime.

>>725123570
>people who say akira is aesthetic and not content
what has happened to my language?

>>725117437
I loathe to admit that “Tingle Tupper” made me laugh.

>>725116648 (OP)
isn't that all cyberpunk genre pieces though? Bladerunner has a notoriously uninteresting non story nobody gives a shit about, but aesthetically it's 10/10 and extremely transportive.

>>725131095
the contention of some people is that the value of akira is "aesthetic" and not "content". they are both colloquial nouns whose meanings are defined by the predicate. nothing is happening to your language. it's being used casually on an image board, faggot.

>>725120153
>>725120263
I feel like a good number of these aren't even references. There's just a limited number of ways you can illustrate a vehicle or character sliding, and having them slide away from the camera is one of them.
There's a lot of stock and recycled motifs and shots in media, including and especially anime. https://youtu.be/ibPCLMH1NM4?si=dJZkNb9ghEJg4SQo

>>725117428
The Akira bike is obviously inspired by the Tron light cycle

>>725133265
Probably, but it realizes the potential of that sort of imagery much better than tron which I don't think is a movie any seriously likes.

Bladerunner the novel has an irradiated dying Earth and everybody still stuck there lives a miserable parody with robot pets and they have household device that can switch your mood like flipping tv channels. The narrative even has a weird trippy religious portion
Bladerunner the movie had neon lights in the rain at night.

>>725133976
Bladerunner just imitated Asian neon street ads.