Thread 725125830

Reminder to have two mirrored HDDs when you archive/backup games

>>725125830 (OP)
Like this?

>>725125978
n-no...

>>725125830 (OP)
Why should I back up games?
What is the point?

>>725125830 (OP)
>HDD
keep up grandpa

>>725125830 (OP)
Sure.

>>725126148
The entire internet could die.
You get a job in a place with no internet.
You decide to shut yourself in with no internet to purify your soul.

>>725125830 (OP)
>>>/g/

>>725126150
>archiving on SDD
Retard alert

>>725126472
>The entire internet could die.
Not likely to happen within my lifetime.
>You get a job in a place with no internet.
Not likely to happen within my lifetime.
>You decide to shut yourself in with no internet to purify your soul.
Not likely to happen within my lifetime.


GTFO normalfaggot

>>725126150
keep up old geezer, it's not 1937 anymore

>>725125830 (OP)
No need for disks when you have tulpa games.

>>725126472
So there is no reason, alright.
I could understand if you mentioned making backup of heavily modded games.
It's more likely for me to backup my pr0n and music than to back up my games.

>>725126795
>>725126150
both of these will stop being affordable as soon as current stock expires

>>725126795
What are the prons and cons of this shit compared to a regular SSD? I could get one but never bothered researching this stuff.

>>725125830 (OP)
RAID configurations confuse the zoomer.

>>725125830 (OP)
My games are backed up on Steam's servers.

>>725126940
More reason to hoard now.

>>725127018
RAID is not a backup.

>>725125830 (OP)
>mirrored
Get a NAS and use RAID 5.

>>725127000
trips checked
I believe M2 is basically like regular SSD, but smoller, so it's automatically better right

>>725125830 (OP)
What do you mean by games? Installed games? You don't need to back up the entire game directory, just any personal files and user folders stored that can be copied and ported to a new install. Your save games are usually in your documents folder. So you only back those up to save space and back up faster so that if your HDD dies, all you need to do is reinstall the games.

And you'd probably need to do that anyway because porting whole games to new OS installs wouldn't work out of the box because of the registry.

>>725127018
RAID is for backups on hot.

>>725127000
Pro: Much faster, physically smaller.
Con: Usually a little more expensive. Since they need PCIE lanes rather than just SATA ports you usually can have fewer of them connected to your mobo.

>>725126150
>EMP blast
>Everything gone forever
yeah I'm good brownoid

>>725127252
I assume he means like GOG DRM-free downloads and/or other installers.

>>725126472
>The entire internet could die.
>You get a job in a place with no internet.
>You decide to shut yourself in with no internet to purify your soul.
I could also beat a game and move on with my life, never fucking playing it again. Grow up, you fucking autistic loser.

>>725126701
peterpansyndromefaggot

>>725127018
ZDS

>>725125830 (OP)
Nice try, I'm behind 7 raid configurations.
>main battlestation
>NAS as first backup
>2nd PC as 2nd backup
>3rd PC at work as cloud back up

>>725125830 (OP)
I don't back up anything. If it's important it goes on Drive.

>>725127214
>>725127436
I see. Well it's not like I'm having space shortages but I should get one next time instead of another SSD.

>>725125830 (OP)
>HDD gives up at exactly 6.5 years Power on Hours (literally the exact average lifespan for a drive to fail)
>Go to replace it
>a 2TB 7200RPM HDD costs 70 fucking dollars in the year of our lord 2025

>>725128491
HDD aren't mean to be that big. Just use a modern day solution.

bros...

>>725129226
anon I had the exact same drive fail at the exact same time, with that exact error
you're going to run into read errors the more files you create on there

>>725129226
Time to take it behind the woodshed.

>game installed on pc
>backed up on internet
>"but what if the entire internet fucking dies??"
then i can make a local backup at that point, obviously

>>725125830 (OP)
>reminder to halve your storage space because uhhhh you just have to okay
nah

>>725129226
you made me check mine, I have the same model and it also shows up as cautious now, I wonder if some recent windows update fucked it up with with defrag somehow
I'm not surprised though I abused this drive for many years, time to back shit up I guess

>>725128724
The exact opposite DESU. The modern use for HDDs is bulk storage and the value goes up as they get larger. You can get a 24TB HDD for like $300. But yes if all you need is a couple TB anon should be looking at SSDs.

>>725125830 (OP)
I have an external HDD for game installers and filled it about halfway through, should I use anything else?

>>725129497
fuggggg, this shit has my entire hydrus library on it, gonna have to wipe my anime library to make space to back it up until I get a new one.

I'm fine, thank you for asking.

How do you check your drive health without windows defender going haywire? I want to keep my porn and my games nice and safe.

I want to have an archive and dedicated torrent machine. Thingen of buying a synology box with say 4 drive bay and maybe a couple m.2 slots for cache. But man, shit's costy. For that price you can get much better hardware. But you won't have a no-brainer web interface and a very nice mobile app.
Maybe with that yearly bonus...
So, 5 or 10? 5 seems very cost-efficient but 10 is super safe.

>>725128031
home servers clustered?

>>725125830 (OP)
>raid mirror all drives
>periodic rsync all drives to a file server pc
>onto mirrored drives

>>725129964
godammit bros I think the JAV is going to have to go too....

>>725125830 (OP)
I want to install a second backup harddrive, but it seems like every time I do anything with the computer it breaks down.

>>725125830 (OP)
Question: I already have an 8TB HDD and want to buy a new one for RAID1. Can I even convert my current HDD to a RAID1 without losing that? Or will I need a third HDD to backup first?

>>725131850
Noooo! Keep the JAV.

>>725125830 (OP)
if storage wasnt so fucking expensive i'd make a NAS with ssds

>>725129226
>>725129497
I still have working Samsung and WD hard drivers that are well over 10 years old. SMART reports good, but there are a few odd sectores in each.

>>725131850
burn them all to dvds

>>725127560
goldeneye doesn't exist yet

>>725126612
This nigga in 2010

I have nearly a terabyte of data exclusively on my phone and a single micro sd card
I don't have a PC to back any of it up
just a steam deck and a dedicated external hard drive
I hate myself

>>725132430
It is possible to do. You can convert it to a dynamic disk and add a mirror. But for that use case you might think about leaving it as JBOD(just a bunch of disks) and just running some backup software. You won’t have instant parity, but you can still use each drive separately whenever you want and backup more granularly. If you later want to get rid of the raid that WILL require wiping it.

>>725133330
I hate you too

That said, you could probably get a external HDD with external power and an OTG to USB connector and connect it directly to your phone to periodically back it up.

>>725133509
FreeFileSync is pretty decent free software for syncing your files/folders

>>725133610
I have a dock for my deck I can hook the hard drive up to
I'm just scared it or the deck aren't going to be able to handle the sheer number of files
I've had this anxiety for years and have never done anything about it
I have less than a gigabyte left on my phone

Never back up anything important to an SSD. Not only do they burn out twice as fast in about five years, but if you put it away like in a safe or storage unit, it will literally erase itself if you don't plug it in every 6 months.

HDDs however write the data physically on the discs so there is no need to plug it in to keep the information and there is no limit to how long you can keep it stored.

>>725131850
no...

>>725133509
>>725133705
Windows has a native tool called robocopy. Should be the microsoft equivalent of rsync. It has many options and it's multithreaded.

>>725133871
>there is no need to plug it in to keep the information
anon, I...

>>725135075
he means you don't need to connect and power an HDD for the data to remain, not that you don't need to connect it to read/write

>>725127000
nvme port instead of sata. in the case of many motherboards it can have direct lane to the cpu instead of going through the motherboard's controllers
m.2 is the form factor standard, not the actual connection

>>725126612
>archiving on an HDD
broke ahh nigga

>>725127436
>>725135843
Is overheating an issue with m.2?

>>725125830 (OP)
>only on backup
Two backups is one, one backup is none.

>>725135843
>nvme port
>m.2 is the form factor standard, not the actual connection
Wrong, nigger. M.2 is the form factor and connector. It supports a bunch of interfaces. Including SATA and PCIe.

>>725129497
My PC and hard drive had lasted for over a decade but there was a period where I barely used it, how worried should I be?

>>725136815
Depends on the specific M.2 device. Mostly no. High performance SSDs usually need a heatsink.

>>725136815
i have heard that some PCIe5 NVMes can heat up. a lot.
the ones i have don't and are sitting at 45-55C. there isn't much reason to get pcie5 ones over 4 at the moment

>>725126795
what the fuck happens if I don't want to clog up all my pcie lanes on my mobo, don't want to shell out for an HEDT platform, and still want redundant storage on my main system? Yes yes get a NAS etc but I also want to keep shit on my PC. Do Sata m.2 drives take up a PCIE slot when they're put on the mobo? My new motherboard only has 4 fucking sata slots. Do I just but a sata controller????

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW HARD IT IS TO FIND AN OPTICAL DRIVE RIGHT NOW? FUCK YOU PIONEER, FUCK YOU LG, AND FUCK YOU MAKEMKV YOU SCALPING FUCKING BOOMERS STOP HOARDING ALL THE DRIVES

>>725130253
Based. How much did that set you back?

>>725137047
pardon my drunkenness. it is the specifications of the connector and that is what i meant. not used to using english for these terms

>>725137272
seriously, what the fuck was he thinking

>>725137272
I know someone who ran a RAID0 like that for almost ten years without any ever failing. Crazy. I convinced him to do a RAID50 instead at least.

I stopped caring about digital storage when the digital jew started stealing my bits in play sight
1 TB doesn't mean 900 something GB, it means 1 fucking TB. the more you buy, the more they steal
go kill yourself if you defend them

>>725126472
If the entire internet dies I've got bigger problems than vidya.

>>725137272
I think you're mixing up lanes and slots.
If you're actually running out of PCIe lanes. You could force the NVME SSD to run with less lanes. Technically you could also get a PCIe multiplexer, but it's so expensive that you should just get a platoform with more PCIe lanes.
If you're running out of physical slots, but have spare lanes. You could get whatever PCIe expansion card you need, and do PCIe bifurcation.

>>725138010
so, like, from the invention of hard drives?

>>725138010
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tebibyte
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terabyte

>>725138010
based retard

>>725138010
931.32 GiB = 1 TB

>>725138010
kys, Windows user.

>>725125830 (OP)
>mirrored
better to have at least 2 separate drives before considering mirroring
if it's mirrored then any data fuckups are propagated to the mirror

>>725138279
Surely ZFS can handle that.

seems like this system is fucked. hadn't booted it in years and it no longer detects the hdd or shitty gpu
i need to upgrade

>>725138240
yeah this bullshit
funny how nobody every uses GiB or TiB unless selling drives but of course bootlickers will keep defending it so why change it

>>725138464
BASED

>>725138356
Just boot from floppy

>>725125830 (OP)
have backups of backups

>>725137154
that image is a reference to Power On Hours, not just how physically old the drive is

>>725138345
i'm never recommending zfs to normies though
a backup drive is simple and more than sufficient
zfs also doesn't proactively protect against user error unless you already knew something went wrong

>>725138663
but muh windows 95

>>725125978
>HDDH
vs
>DDDD

what software is good for backups

>>725139018
Freefilesync

>>725139018
BorgBackup nigga

>>725137352
About 22 years.

>>725125978
That CompTia cert in action

>>725138949
>Hard Drive Driving Hard

reminder to buy SSDs and even HDDs now because AI datacentters are eating all memory and other stuff so it will quadruple in price

>>725125830 (OP)
lel... i already got like 6-7 external drives plus several internals..
in fact i still have like 4TB of free space despite doing 2-3 copies of everything i have across the drives.
.....yeah i guess i overdid it, and probably wont even finish or consume most games/content on this shit.

Also PSA: make SURE you always copy and save your mods in multiple drives cause Nexus fuckers keep deleting mods and shit.. also download and save copies of Youtube videos you like.. you never know when that shit would be gone forever. I have YT vids from literally 2005-2006 that you wont find anywhere on the net.

>>725143558
>from literally 2005-2006
as opposed to figuratively 2005-2006?

Do no enterprise grade m.2 SSDs with PLP exist AT ALL?

>>725125830 (OP)
Let me guess

>>725143806
lol yeah, in retrospect the wording is kinda dumb. Im just sayin' that i've been on youtube for exactly 20 years now and ive been hoarding vids i liked for the past 20 years... feels good to watch ancient stuff from back in the day.
If only you knew how much stuff has been completely purged from YT from the 2000s and early 2010s..

>>725125830 (OP)
>mirrored
for me, it's raidz2

>>725143909
Is there like 2 different version of wd black out there? I saw the 'gaming' one and the internal ones and they have different rpm in there, I thought the gaming version one -with a logo that are suspiciously looks like Watch_Dogs vidya- is just a wd black with steel hardened case but apparently they are different?

>>725137269
>>725137047
I cannot run most videogames off my M2 drive. It overheats, and the PC will not boot for up to 5 minutes post-overheat. It's fucked.

>>725144406
pcie4 or 5? do you have a heatsink?

>>725126148
Remember when Megaupload died and an unholy amount of content died with it?

>>725145204
so many of these died in the past years

Teach your nephews/brothers/sons about torrenting and PCs. That's the best advice I can give. Get the zoomers off the phones, we have to maintain the next generation of PCs/PC gaming/PC internet.

I got all the boys in my family into PC nerds. Who's going to seed your future torrents, grandpa? TEACH THE NEXT GENERATION.

>>725143909
yes i need more
ideally i'd want 4 8tb drives so i can start archiving stuff indiscriminately

>>725129226
>seagate
why do you do this to yourself anon?

>>725138010
You must shit yourself every time you buy chips and the bags only 70% chips 30% air

>food analogy

>>725145204
I remember creators abandoning tons of shit and for some reason the internet decided one singular website should be the download hub of everything for some stupid reason.

>12tb hdd keeps clicking
>but it works fine???
>crystaldiskinfo says it's ok?

>>725131850
Keep the JAV its almost impossible to find working torrents for anything older than 2 years

>>725148426
This. It's frustrating.

>>725129497
>my puter drive is over 6 years old
bros.... is she going to die on me?

>>725143558
>also download and save copies of Youtube videos you like..
I'm still looking for that one Tomoyo After gameplay of a guy doing the moans in a funny voice. I learn things the hard way...

>>725129226
Rookie, at least your Seagate held out this long meaning it should be fine

>>725148589
like I said, that's Power On Hours not physical time you've had the drive

>>725148426
Yeah this. I still think about that porn harddrive I wiped years ago to make room for tv shows and failed to find the vast majority of it after. Some of those videos I'm not even sure existed and I just had a fake memory of them in my sleep or something cause I HAVE spent hours on google trying to find some of them based on details in my memory and came up empty every time.

>>725148426
what kind of insane skill issue is this

>>725148426
test him anon >>725151460

>>725151460
It's not a skill issue, when you finally find something it's original source will only live for a short time and after that you can only find re-encodes of re-encodes of streaming downloads.

I still can't find the original rip of AVOP-378 (or any other JAV as good as that one for the matter).

>>725152000
>it's original source
okay fair enough, I just get sd stuff on streaming sites

>>725152000
>AVOP-378
Also holy shit are you ME? I saw this thread and decided to turn on my externals and I saw that very file but it was in shitty quality so I redownloaded it just now. It has subs now.

>>725125830 (OP)
you need to be more proactive
hdds do not last forever, data gets corrupted
you need to do checksum verification periodically to ensure the data has not changed and to restore from a uncorrupted backup if it has changed
filesystems like zfs were designed for this, research

and you need longer duration archives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbxaPc2Xf5M

>>725132489
ssds can fail unexpectedly without warning
ssd is more suitable for working memory, not long term storage

>>725125830 (OP)
I don't archive anything from gog/steam because I can just redownload it if I lose anything, if either of these 2 services were going to go down permanently they would warn users beforehand and there would be enough time for me to download everything. Every other games is archived but I have way too much not vidya shit to waste space on stuff that i'm never gonna lose anyway unless some kind of freak 1 in a billion event happens where steam/gog pulls the plug without any warning.

>>725152895
>if either of these 2 services were going to go down permanently they would warn users beforehand and there would be enough time for me to download everything

>>725152973
There is literally no financial benefit to keeping it a secret until the day they shut it down. It's the bare minimum that could potentially even avoid a lawsuit.

>>725152464
Yeah it's maybe the only JAV I've ever seen that isn't some weirdo unwilling girl being forced to have sex, variant #14432, but it's actually vanilla and wholesome and consensual. Also about the only porn that's about girls wanting to make babies. AND the girls are attractive too!

I looked for a long time for a good source for that, but the original uploads by jav.guru are long gone and on torrents I only find crap like re-encode with wrong framerate with russian dual audio. Had to check like 4 of those until I found one that's actually good quality, then remuxed it to not have the russian garbo in it. Swear I went through every single torrent for it on btdig.

>>725125830 (OP)
>mirrored
Nah, I'm fine, thanks, RAID for backups is a meme.

>>725152895
I understand backing up every game in your library might not be realistic unless you're turbo autist with petabytes to spare but imagine if EVERYONE starts panic downloading them at the same time, that's basically a ddos

Imagine storing data on an SSD that loses charge every year. Enjoy your bitrot

>>725125830 (OP)
I already do

Mirroring is wrong, you should be using parity arrays (raid5/6 or zfs raidz1/2/3). That way you lose 1/4th of your space, but get fault tolerance and 2-3x the read/write speed. my z1 array made of 20tb toshibas can read/write at 400-700mb/s depending on fragmentation, at its best it can outdo a SATA SSD.

>>725126148
>your pc dies
>damn now I have to find and download all 4 terrabytes of stuff I had OH WAIT IT'S ALL SAFE ON MY EXTERNAL HDD AHAHAHA I PLAYED SMART AND WON

>>725156557
Unironically it takes less time for me to download game than to copy it from HDD to SSD.

>>725152594
Correct, but this is a "cloud storage" shilling thread.

HDDs are the best way to go.

>>725145204
>Remember when Megaupload died and an unholy amount of content died with it?
Do you fucking remember RAPIDSHARE? And more recently ZIPPYSHARE? Goddamn I loved Zippyshare

>>725134054
It is insane to me that the average person doesn't back up anything of substance besides... Idk, food pictures???

>>725152895
>I'll just le re-download it!!!
Fucking retard

>>725157116
The cloud is gay, and I'm a super straight hard drive sigma

>>725158630
>implying steam will ever be shut down with no warning

>>725128031
>on-site backups at the same physical location
This is retarded. When people say to have a backup, they don't mean an on-site backup.

>>725138240
Decimal bytes don't make any sense in the first place as far as I'm concerned
A kilobyte is 1024 bytes, not 1000 and so on
terabyte my ass

>>725158723
>sorry goy we can't renew your licenses, hope you played those game while you still could

>>725132535
What that graph doesn't show you is that at around the 8.5 year mark that graph smooths back out to a line like the top part and it becomes less likely for surviving drives to fail

>>725151460
when old nyaa.se got killed and was replaced with nyaa.si the entire JAV category was lost

i've got an 8TB WD HDD for storage, and im going to buy another 8TB WD HDD to mirror it on black friday incase one dies

>>725156706
>Unironically it takes less time for me to download game than to copy it from HDD to SSD.

Then you are either using really really shitty HDDs or have 10gbit internet. I can copy off my hdds at ~500MB/s.

>>725144162
there are kinda a lot of different versions of these things. you'll notice just by the model numbers. I've bought several 1 TB WD Blues over the years and they're all pretty differently-named

But if you copy files even for personal use in the USA its a felony because you dont own those files and its DMCA copyright infringement.

You are committing a crime by copying. Enjoy being raided by the FBI because we all know you dont need 16TB for 1000 photos. You're obviously storing pirated and copyrighted material

Enjoy going to jail

>>725152895
>if either of these 2 services were going to go down permanently they would warn users beforehand and there would be enough time for me to download everything

and if not? what then?
you could have kept a personal archive the whole time and kept it updated periodically instead of trying to download everything all at once 24hrs before the meteor hits along with everyone else

>>725159619
You aren't getting near that out of single HDD.
I'm not going to build RAID to just back up my games.

>>725145564
my nephews are glued to phones.
if i ever have offspring i'm gonna walk them through how i played games back in 1993. through MS-DOS.

>>725159929
>You aren't getting near that out of single HDD.

No shit. I like my data secure. Z1 array on a 10GbE line.

>I'm not going to build RAID to just back up my games.
It's not my games I have backed up on it, it's my entire life. Plus every work my stepfather did on his computer too.

>>725160048
>i'm gonna walk them through how i played games back in 1993. through MS-DOS.

lol, 1990s child.
teach them to read while they are 4 years old and then give them the C64 users manual.

>>725160082
I don't need so much hardware for my lowly needs.
I'm just a simple N33T.

>>725160460
It's not even much hardware, just an odroid h4 plus and some network cards. The tricky part is that I'm into matx boards and it's a pain in the arse to find one with proper PCIE slots for anything more than just one video card.

I have some data on my cds and dvds that still work 15+ years later.
Now that Sony are being jews and killing Blue Ray, any chance another disc based format comes up?
I dont trust rewritable storage media.

What are your plans for backup once people decided to ditch HDDs? Or when your hardware no longer supports HDDs?

Companies are so good at clamping down on backups.

>>725161137
>What are your plans for backup once people decided to ditch HDDs? Or when your hardware no longer supports HDDs?
by then SSDs will be dirt cheap and will hopefully be more less prone to accidents. There will always be a need for some form of physical backup

I have 5 drives in RAID0 which means if any go down I have 4 as a backup.

>>725160167
when I was 5 i got hooked onto Childcraft books. I wonder how bad those are today.