Thread 725156859

Is this still valid for Steam?

>>725156859 (OP)
Steam has brainwashed reddit drones ready to defend it all the time. other competitors don't.

>>725156859 (OP)
i dont know about other storefronts but epic client blasted me with ads and ate all my ram

>>725158201
>Steam has brainwashed reddit drones ready to defend it all the time. other competitors don't.

>>725158201
Translated:

Steam has people who are happy with the service they provide. other competitors don't.

>>725156859 (OP)
i hate launchers
piracy is just easier

>>725158742
Not true in the slightest. It's cheaper.

>>725158674
there's some of that to it, but there is a significant irrational loyalty to valve and Gabe that you see, like when people seethe over others claiming the free games that epic offers
whatever cope you've come up with, you're just shooting yourself in the foot as a consumer if you're going to refuse free games over brand nonsense

>>725156859 (OP)
Threadly reminder this is Steam’s “Biggest competitor”.

>>725158201
tim literally bribes poor thirdworlders and children to dickride him over free games and people still don't give a shit about the EGS

>>725156859 (OP)
It's more no one cares about Steam's competitors and hardly notice if they even do anything.

>>725158851
i think you're delusional if you think people really seethe over that - the simple truth is that free games aren't a benefit if the user isn't interested in playing them and handing them out doesn't generate loyalty if they have no intent to buy beforehand

>>725158851
>whatever cope you've come up with, you're just shooting yourself in the foot as a consumer if you're going to refuse free games over brand nonsense*
*and install the shittiest RAM eating chinese spyware storefront that hates you as a consumer
you act like there isn't a catch, you could not pay me to install the epic games launcher. and when i want free games i pirate them

>>725159396
I've had people seethe at me over it, that has happened, it's not a hypothetical

By Timmys own standards, Epic has no competitors in the game engine space since Unreal has most of the market share.
Time to spread those buttcheeks Timmy boy!

>>725158201
>The crushing ethical dilemna of getting supporters to defend your product by making it better then the competition

>>725158851
>like when people seethe over others claiming the free games that epic offers
they should be seething because the budget for that has obviously dried up. man even amazon who has unlimited alphabet inc. tier money STILL only gives away bundle trash and then its clueless gaming execs go on linkedin wondering why nobody used them.

Never thought I'd live to see unironic steam dick lickers on /v/

>>725158851
>there's some of that to it
It's all of it, Ubisoft, EA, Microsoft, Epic, even Sony and Nintendo, all publicly shared, and owned by many of the same companies and people.

Their asses completely ravaged because Gabe and the rest of the Valve board of directors won't give them a piece of the pie as a private company.
Fuck them and fuck you!

>>725158851
bringing up "no steam no buy" would've worked better for your case than wanking off timmy
not caring for handouts is hardly "shooting yourself in the foot", by that logic buying anything that you can pirate is cultist behaviour

>>725159842
Yeah, can't believe Valve didn't stop providing entertainment when George Floyd died.
Fucking monsters!

>>725159767
>the budget for that has obviously dried up
That was always the plan in the long run
They extended it out a few extra years since it's the only thing that brings any kind of growth to the store

>>725159954
They didn't?

>>725159949
nah, epic's free games is the perfect example because it makes people take off the mask and admit that they're just up their own asses in e drama that doesn't actually matter to consumers

I buy off GoG first. Steam is cancer with the only redeeming upside is they pay people to autistically work on Linux stuff. That's about it.

>>725156859 (OP)
Not really. I think for the most part, Ubisoft had done a lot to shore up their game launcher, and GOG Galaxy does really well despite, you know, being mostly DRM-Free. The only ones really shooting themselves in the foot right now are Epic and EA, but I'd honestly go as far as to give some credit to Epic for allowing people to use open source alternatives with token login instead of their actual launcher. The day that Valve allows SteamCMD to actually properly launch games and run the overlay in the same way Legendary does is the day I never use the full Steam client ever again.

>>725156859 (OP)
Yes.
But you forget that Valve buttfucked all the Artifact fans in their boipussies!

>>725156859 (OP)
There is no reason to move from steam. People use steam because it is well established and everyone knows them. And most importantly it is easy to use and works. It's a household name just like Microsoft and no amount of free handouts to brown people like e
Espic does, will change that.

>>725160095
all 3 of them

>>725160050
you sure have a lot of assumptions about how and why consumers are supposed to act, mr marketing man
don't you fellas parlay with psychologists pretty often? should already know that real people who buy your shit aren't fucking game theory rational actors making optimal decisions

>>725160205
You don't understand, it was really important that each of those three be able to invite the other two into the beta.

>>725156859 (OP)
For epic yeah they have repeatedly shown they have no clue how to run a store front at all and take forever to add basic features the average consume expects of any store front and hell some of those didn't even work properly when they launched them. The rest are at least trying to be better then steam at something all epic does is give away free shit and have worse quality control then steam

>>725158201
Why would I switch to a new platform that have less than 1/100th of the features Steam has and do the features they have so much worse than Steam does? Why should I deliberately enshitify my gaming experience to the point I'd rather fucking paint my ceiling red? Why should I fucking entertain Amazon, of all fucking companies, to be the host of games I own? Next thing I'm going to know, Amazon is going to paywall my games behind a monthly subscription/Amazon Prime to get them back again.

Jeff Bezos has my respect for putting in the work to build the company he has, but FUCK do I hate the goddamn Executive Drones he has in charge of his company for him now that he's retired from it.

I hate Boardroom Execs so fucking much. So much so I'd go on a 10+ Fed-posting spree if I didnt have to worry about a 4 AM no-knock raid by said Feds

I prefer GOG

>>725160050
I dont care if the games are free Im not installing EGS Im just gonna pirate that shit lol

I haven't tried yet, but I might switch to Epic if I can continue using Heroic Launcher to manage my library. Steam is slow dogshit compared to Heroic Launcher, which I use for GoG currently. Not sure why so many faggots suck Gay Ben off so much.

>>725160327
yeah that's pretty much literally what I said at the very start, some people are irrationally defending steam and shooting themselves in the foot in the process. im glad I could talk you around into agreeing with me

>>725160589
>heroic launcher
???

>>725160708
https://heroicgameslauncher.com/

>>725160612
does your employer know you have too much 'tism to model a rational actor

>>725160432
lmao PC gaming is dead

>>725158887
Yeah, Timmy really doesn't understand that he needs to deliver a superior (or at least not inferior) service to Steam if he wants people to actually use the ebin store. Giving developers a larger cut is nice but isn't going to draw the end user in, and timed exclusivity deals mostly just annoy people.

>>725160971
More alive than cucksole gayman

>>725158201
>Force people to use Uplay, even if you bought the game on steam
people hate it
>Force people to use EGS, even paying out the competition for exclusivity
people hate it
>Force people to use games for windows live
people hate it
>Steam: exists
people use it without complaint
>GOG: exists as an alternative without forcing anyone to use it
people use it without complaint

>>725161123
NOOOOO YOU CANT USE BOTH STEAM AND GOG (and pirate)
YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER THIS IS CONSOLEWARS 2.0

>>725161123
>force people to use a shitty, dysfunctional platform that's worse than the competitor
>people hate it
>force people to use a handy, useful platform with a lot of extra qol features that's better than any competitor
>people love it
woooooow

>>725158851
>irrational loyalty
>irrational
are you a bit special?

>>725161230
i get a hard on every time i pirate

>amazon, google, and egs throw billions into making a competitor
>fail spectacularly

yes. steam just has do nothing while everyone is figuring out the next killer app that somehows captivates the next couple of generations. i think the only way steam would fail is if they were more vocal and preachy or some top down change.

>>725161052
Not really lmao

>>725161123
Gamepass was pretty well regarded as well until MS went full fucking retard

>>725161621
With the way some people act here any attitude other then complete hatred for Steam is "irrational loyalty"

>get hacked in the 2000s
>create a product to protect company games and players and learn from hack
>it works so you add the ability for developers to add their games
>years later companies complain about compition

Ita like crying about missing btc at 100 dollars and buying at 125k present day
>

>>725156859 (OP)
Add GOG next to steam staring at the guy too. They're smaller but people like and respect them for avoiding drm

While Valve is still the best there is, it has it's problems too. It's hard to forget how they pretty much normalized the gambling loot box shit and how they neglected TF2 for so many years. Hell, removing bots was the bare minimum and they still got praised for that shit even though it had been a problem for years. They still aren't fully gone either. Worst part is Steam support and Valve forcing game devs to censor their games and if they still find something "problematic", they are forever denied and you will NEVER be able to get your game on Steam ever again. It's final. That's it. You also have to pay like 100$ fee when submitting your game. The way threat Japanese devs is the worst.

>>725161970
>GIVE ME MY DRM PLATFORM WITH SOCIAL MEDIA CAPABILITIES

lol /v/ is dead

>>725162378
The worst part is that Valve could deny any game for any reason before, but now they can do it with zero reputational damages as people will blame payment processors anyway even though Valve has been caught doing that shit for years now.

>>725161968
>until MS went full fucking retard
What happened to it?

>>725162696
They realized it was getting popular, so Microsoft decided to start charging a fuckton more for it

>>725162696
$30 a month for day 1 woke slop like Avowed and outer world 2.

>>725162378
>You also have to pay like 100$ fee when submitting your game
Well it's either that or have to get approved by the platform holder like GOG or consoles.
There is benefits to that model as there is as paying a small fee like Steam and Epic
>The way threat Japanese devs is the worst
It's so fucking annoying and schizophrenic the way they handle those games.

You're other points are valid and it doesn't help discourse pretending Valve is some saint of company, hell almost no company is.

Nothing i want to play is on other platforms exclusively so i use steam and pirate occasionally

>>725158201
>provide the best service by a factor of 10
>y-you're brainwashing people by providing the best service!!!11

>>725162482
I don't think you are helping fight that point anon

>>725159396
Is there a webm of that gondola with sound?

>>725162889
What's the point it's already lost

literally all the have to do is sell it cheaper than steam and they will have customers
if steam can do it why can't anyone else

>>725162532
CC processors have been fucking with people since 2012. Them fucking with valve behind the scenes for a decade now fits.

>>725162967
That any attitude other then pure hate is considered irrational

>>725162993
You are describing Steam Sales and Valve can do them better and more often while maintaining their margins.

>>725162993
Epic has tried with both x% off coupons and cash back and hasn't helped them much.

>>725161052
I'm waiting for Lesbians in Space

Reminder that the main reason Steam is targetted so heavily is because it's privately owned
Everything else is a smokescreen

>>725158851
>pulls off mask
Wow gang, I can't believe the anti-steam shitposter was the epic shill all along!

>>725162004
Remember a long time ago when they said they were shutting down as an April fool's joke and all the Redditoids were having an angry cry at them about it

>>725158201
Other companies literally give out free games, and it's still not enough to get people to willingly use their service.

>>725163154
best i can do

>>725163265
Why would I remember anything that happened on reddit

Why do YOU remember anything that happened on reddit

>>725163156
this may be the top level suit reason, but the funny thing is that in the realm of storefronts, steam's biggest public-facing flaw is non-existent human support and communication, so you really have to try to frame them as worst of the worst
what are steam's restrictions even, hundred bucks down to post a page? no cryptocurrency, no undercutting with third party sales, no literal malware? wow pc pigs sure have no standards to support a diabolical entity like that

>>725162993
they give away free games and still can't get users

>>725163178
>YOU DON'T LIKE MY DRM PLATFORM!?!

>>725162993
you also have to not provide a worse experience (this doesn't necessarily mean better, it can even be more barebones if you leave out stuff nobody cares about) which everybody except gog fails to do

>>725156859 (OP)
I think what steam got right at first is they're private company so no shareholder bullshit telling you what to do, also their team are small but solid and the support are helpful although their respond time suck

>>725164256
>their team are small but solid
Except for Mary

>>725158887
8 years later and it still doesn't let you gift games.

>>725158201
>Steam's competitors act in anti-customer ways
>Steam does absolutely nothing
>Steam wins by default
Lol

>>725158851
>like when people seethe over others claiming the free games that epic offers
Did you never learn that when something is free, you're the product?
Do you really think Timmy hands out free games out of the goodness of his heart, lmao?

>>725158820
>it's not true because of the gaben quote
Retarded parrot

>>725156859 (OP)
Not for GoG, they did nothing to shoot themselves. It's just that developers don't want people to have control over their ownership.

>just run a bunch of storefronts, chud!
hmmm
nyo
i won't even download EGS for free shit, i'd rather have more ram to allocate to browser tabs

>>725163767
I, ah...well you see uh... Technical issue...errr... small hobby subreddit...oh boy

>>725158201
I would be less attached to Steam if all the alternatives weren't hot fucking trash
Okay, GOG is actually solid. Itch.io doesn't do anything bad but nor does it really do anything good. Every other storefront is just a constant dumpster fire.

>>725158851
>irrational loyalty
Choosing the service that's the best for me is the exact opposite of irrational. You are not entitled to other people's money.

>>725164850
itch is in dire need of more elaborate tagging and search options, and then it will be the king of freeware (and occasional paid stuff), cause that's all you really need
>can't filter BABBY'S FIRST PROJECTs that don't even have cover images
>can't exclude tags

>>725158851
>Make good service
>Continue to improve good service year on year
>Don't do any dumb shit to make people dislike you
>Every other service in the sector routinely does dumb shit to make people dislike them
Wow imagine people not wanting to bother with the other services
I'll take the free games, of course. Wait, what's that? It would require me to install and log in to another service, and be subjected to the advertising power of that service? Well guess what, it isn't fucking free then, is it? It's genuinely not worth the hassle.

>>725156859 (OP)
You just need Steam cutting itself like a dumb kid to really add to the contrast. Steam/Valve keeps self-harming by doing dumb shit, but it's totally bitchmade compared to the competition.

>>725158887
Really? I figured GoG would be more of a competitor? As far as rivalries go they’re the McDicks to their Burger Chink. Epic always game off as being the low effort slapdashed piece of shit storefront where shovelware is sold.

>>725165294
Sadly GOG is still quite small even after all these years

Steam has been around longer than zoomers have been alive and are a pioneer in PC gaming. Funny how they've never been a problem until recently, coincidentally around the time EGS became a thing.

>>725165408
Timmy Tencent is a spiteful bitch; he probably figured buying journoids is easier than buying timed exclusives.

>>725156859 (OP)
Yes
>>725158201
Get a load of this faggot

>>725165391
But I thought there is a bazillion bitcher and cyberslop fans out there.

>>725156859 (OP)
GOG has done nothing.
EGS exists for fortnite and free games.
Ubisoft, EA, Rockstar, Blizzard are for their own products.
Bethesda, Take2/2K launcher killed themselves.
Microsoft's store is a fucking joke.

>>725158201
>Amazon recently said they gave up with their game hosting because they can't compete with Steam
>Everybody in the industry and every consumer collectively said "you were competing?" because nobody had a fucking clue they sold games
>That this happened is somehow the fault of "Reddit drones" defending Valve

>>725165552
They just bought them on Steam or consoles

>>725158887
Do they even have reviews yet?

>>725161123
>people use it without complaint
why do we lie and pretend GOG is successful?

>>725165672
They have a "how happy are you about game this on the scale of happy to very happy?" rating system.

>>725160050
the only mask off is you coming into this thread pretending to have real criticisms of steam when you're actually an epic shill

>>725164596
so by your logic gog must be flourishing since it's the least "anti-customer" as you call it

>>725156859 (OP)
all steams would be competitors wrote pc gaming off as a nothing burger in the early days, while gabe alone pursued its potential.

imagine being one of the record labels that rejected the beetles. thats what its like being a 'competitor' to steam.

>>725165408
>Funny how they've never been a problem until recently
You're the biggest zoomer if you don't remember people's initial reaction to steam back then
Stop pretending to be an oldfag

>>725165850
Maybe the owners of GoG should've have lied to RPG fans about their not-RPG cyberpunk game?
In other industries we refer to this as 'fraud'.

>>725158851
Free games gimmick is literally NOT HELPING to propagate EGS service. Do you understand this? EGS is so shit that I open it only if I do not have a choice, despite it handling free games.

>>725165930
you always had people whining about DRM but for years steam has only been a net positive for PC gaming

stop larping timmy

>>725158851
Why bother with EGS for free games when you can just pirate for free games and get whatever game you want? Are you dumb? Steam wins because it tries to compete with piracy. EGS loses because it tries to compete with Steam and not piracy.

>>725156859 (OP)
I don't think it's completely incorrect to call Steam a monopoly but the thing is if said monopoly isn't abusing its position to treat its customers like shit people don't really care. People are also lazy and fucking hate making more and more goddamn accounts for different services. Most people think streaming was better when Netflix had everything vs. the five hundred separate services we have now.

>>725156859 (OP)
Does steam give me a feee game every week? I think not. Epic>Steam

>>725166748
>Narrow by Price: Free
>Discounts & Events
there's your free game

>>725156859 (OP)
steam shouldn't be allowed to keep taking 30% off of my game sales

>>725166952
ok, don't sell your game there, don't worry, I won't buy it either way so you won't be missing out

>>725158201
Meanwhile, with consoles you don't even have a choice in the matter, and if you don't blindly worship the corporation, your hardware becomes a brick.

>>725166748
You could just pirate whatever game you want instead of collecting free games you'll never play, retard.

>>725165672
>ratings reduce the chances of people looking to purchase a product
-timmy chinky, probably

>>725162482
I have been using Steam longer than you've been on this website

>>725158201
>>725163357
Epic Game Stores is actually atrocious. EGS takes over 60 seconds to boot up and that's if you're lucky. Half the time it's permanently stuck on the loading screen. Asking for a launcher that actually works should be step 1 before you even think about giving free games. The time it takes to boot up that trash isn't even worth the free game.

the future of gaming is megaupload links supplied to patrion supporters
the porn games are paving the way

>>725167239
>he didnt hold out until steam was a requirement to play the games online

>>725167516
I didn't wait 1 year? damn u got me

>>725156859 (OP)
100%
Steam won by being the least evil as its competition was EA, Ubisoft, Amazon, and Epic Games

>become monopoly by being easy to use
>retarded faggot publicly traded companies bitch and moan because they literally are not allowed by their shareholders to create an easy to use product. It has to be pozzed maximum marketing niggershit 100% or they aren't doing enough to make da monies.

sucks to suck I guess

>>725158201
>>725158851
you can tell this guy was right since he got a bunch of angry replies.

Alright anons, make a good case as to why Steam is bad and where people should go instead that does not boil down to "cause I said so"

>>725168379
Someone said DRM

>>725168379
s-s-steam b-bad because... uhhh.... l-lootbo-no fortnite has that.... uhhh... b-b-battlepass-no fortnite has that also.... uhhhh.... user marketplace b-b-bad?

>>725168379
Steam bad because I got VAC banned in 2023 and I've been ritualposting ever since.

>>725168379
Steam is bad because I can't just launch games without opening the fucking gayass steam store first. At least with gog they just give you the whole game and galaxy is just optional.

>>725168896
Too bad GOG has no games. Also, why wouldn't you have Steam running in the tray at boot?
>too much memory
Try living in 2025.

guys how do I stop buying from GOG

>>725168896
Yes you can, it's in the settings, everything you're looking for is under Interface.

>>725158201
Based

>>725168975
Nice. I only have like 4-5 games I actually bought. I do buy from them when games are available on both.

>>725168965
Because it's bad enough I'm forced to use this garbage in the first place.
>>725169051
What option under interface?

>>725156859 (OP)
I have more games on GoG

>>725169129
>I only have like 4-5 games I actually bought
>4-5
die glownigger

>>725169051
He doesn't want Steam to run at all, not the option to keep it from popping up (which I think is default). He's a retard.
>>725168975
I just redeemed them on Amazon Prime, and never download them from GOG, because it's faster to download from gog-games.to.

>>725169192
>Startup Location
This lets you set what steam launches into, you can have it open your library first.
>Taskbar Preferences
Here you can set what options you see when you click the taskbar icon, you can remove the option for the store.

>>725169337
>He doesn't want Steam to run at all
Then he needs to not be lazy and find out which games don't use Steam's DRM and disable it.

>>725169352
I think you misunderstood what I was asking for. I want to launch the game without launching steam at all. The fact that steam doesn't allow that is why it is hot garbage aside from the drm.

>>725169435
see >>725169428
Get off your lazy ass and do some research.

>>725169435
>that does not boil down to "cause I said so"

>>725169514
Blow me steam shillnigger. Steamdrm shouldn't even exist and anyone who defends it should be burned alive.

>>725158887
It is difficult to adequately convey how big of a fuck up the lack of a shopping cart is for any web based store. It is literally the key feature alongside secure CC transactions that made web shopping a real viability. And there is a whole psychological side to it as well which gets people to upsell themselves and spend more than they were otherwise looking to. To not have it in a modern web platform is beyond retarded.

>>725169435
>WAAAH I DON'T WANT STUFF RUNNING

>>725169660
Timmy Tencent does not want people to reconsider their purchases when looking at their cart. He want them to FOMO buy the games instantly.

>>725169594
Neither of those reasons are "cause I said so."
fucking retard

>>725168379
Steam bad because Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.

>>725169637
>proven wrong
>gets mad instead of smarter
It's an anonymous website, no one's going to know you were wrong.

>>725169698
lm@oing at pc cucks imagine having standards this low

>>725169719
>The fact that steam doesn't allow that
Steam does in fact allow that, this reason is a "cause I said so"

Don't rage at me because you're stupid

>>725169742
Nothing wrong with shitting on drm unless you're a shill.

>>725168896
You can launch straight from the .exe unless the devs forced Steam DRM. Steam does not enforce this. It is entirely up to the dev.

>>725158851
>other services: “let’s provide dick for service, not even try to reach some semblance of parity to the industry leader, and try to force people into the service anyway using exclusive titles that aren’t even very good
>steam:”let’s provide a good service that just works and not fuck it up with a bunch of shit that gets in the way of having fun”
>anon:”I just can’t figure out why steam is winning it must be irrational gabe simping”

It’s literally just steam being better. It was built from the ground up to be convenient and to provide a service (easy game market, social connectivity, etc), and it does that. Other services don’t try to compete where it matters and try to browbeat you onto the platform by demanding exclusivity, that’s why they fail.

>>725158201
They do get some emotionally invested dick riders but steam objectively offers the best combination of service and products on PC.
Thats just factual.

the problem with Steam is that, from their competitor's perspective, they're leaving a ton of money on the table, which makes it seem like they're engaging in noncompetitive market practices. From Steam's perspective they're just happily collecting the infinite golden eggs their entire farm of magic geese produce and getting absurdly rich for minimal effort, but when Epic or MS look at the situation they think "Why aren't they slaughtering their geese!? You could sell those!"

>>725169824
>changing the subject
Oh yeah, you are beyond pissed that you lost an anonymous internet argument, you literally cannot stop replying.

>>725169770
Imagine being poor. Oh, wait. You live it.

>>725165714
GOG isn't successful but nobody makes a big fuss about it like they did with ESG and uplay and origin and whatnot

>>725169962
Only poor people play on pc judging by steams hardware survey.

>>725165714
compared to the other nonsteam storefronts GOG is a dream
its a little clunkier than steam but its miles ahead of the other shitpiles and even the gap between it and steam has slimmed down a little with steam doing some retarded ui updates that just made things less functional
people who know what they're doing are just rarely going to directly buy games off it when they can just pirate everything in its catalogue for free very easily

>>725169942
Eat shit and die drm shill.

>>725158851
>the free games that epic offers
I already played that 5 years ago

>>725170004
But you're poor. We've established this. You also claim you don't play on PC, so I have hard evidence of at least one poor person who plays on consoles.

>>725170167
>no u

lol

>>725168376
you can tell this guy was wrong because his post got this generic reply to it

>>725158201
>>725158851
You can basically ignore any post saying "steam offers the best """service""". Those are the rabid fans who made valve their personality and will cope and sneed in anyway.
Gabe "Actually money is how community steers work" Jewell was a literal jewish microsoft millionaire before starting valve with his coworker. Valve has the stench of Microsoft all over it but retards will act like steam drm store is le freedom!
Simply utter the word "piracy" and watch the drm store shills lose their minds.

>>725158851
Why should I care abput epic giving me free games when I can get ANY game I want for free and not have to deal with their shitty launcher?

>>725170220
>reddit spacing
>lol

>>725169717
That is exactly why it is stupid though. A cart has been proven to encourage people to over spend because they look at the total in the cart and think it is under whatever they were originally looking to spend, and thus add something else in which might only just put them over. Per transaction it may not amount much individually, but in the long run and in volume it adds up quickly.

>>725170429
>please ignore any post that proves me wrong PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE USE EPIC GAME STORE INSTEAD

>>725170429
I'm thankful Gabe gave financial support to Heart of Racing, the GT/WEC racing team esteblished by him and dev Yahn Bernier. Gabe's son is also a driver for their lower division. And thanks Gabe for giving us another Aston LMP.

Serious question
How hard would it be for epic to implement all steams features like user reviews, workshop, gifting games, use profiles (yes I know they are cringe) and community market just to name a few?

>>725170429
>gaben is funding researching the oceans
>epicshills desperately trying to paint this as a bad thing

>>725170584
There he is

>>725170481
nigger
lol
cry about it

>>725170648
He's rich, and poorfags don't understand why that doesn't make the middle class seethe.

>>725170584
none of what he said was wrong

>>725170648
>>725170690
You will never be a billionaire

>>725168376
>say somehting retarded
>people call you a retard and disprove your points
>Heh, that really got 'em mad. Must mean I'm right.

>>725170648
nowhere in that post did he say it was a bad thing

>>725170657
>>725170709
>SAAARRRRRR DO NOT REDEEM THE STEAM GIFT CODE SAAAR JUST IGNORE THE SERVICES SAAAR

>>725170709
Because he completely dodged the point.
You post might as well have said: Steam doesn't provide a good service because my neighbor walks his dogs too early in the morning.

>>725170738
Don't need to be. But I also don't seethe over people being rich because I live breddy gud.

>>725170634
There isn't really any part of that which is difficult in a technical sense. Might be some licensing or service amendments required depending on what those feature do or offer though, really depends on what is currently baked into their agreements with Devs/Pubs. But as long as they had some competent software developers available it is something that could be rolled out pretty quickly. Even if it meant some new back end database or user identification stuff needing to be built that still isn't really a difficult thing.

Amazon was trying to compete with Twitch via Prime Gaming.
Yes >>725156859 (OP) is still valid.

>>725170709
everything he said was wrong because its just crying for people to ignore the sane posts of "I use steam because everything that competes with steam is worse"

>>725170890
steam not twitch. Ignore my retardation

Epic doesn't have good free games anymore

>>725170832
You are a cocksucker. You are at the bottom of the food chain. You don't even benefit from defending your masters online retarded burger. Go take care of your family instead of fighting anons who are being mean to your favorite billionaire assuming you have any.

>>725170429
>Simply utter the word "piracy" and watch the drm store shills lose their minds
In that case, I'm sure you won't mind if I pirate all the games timmy gives out for free instead of installing epic for them, right?

>>725170971
Feel free. PC games should have never been limited to specific storefronts in the first place.

>>725170634
steam has already done the hardest part of trying out features to see what people actually like
the only difficult things to copy from steam are the community market and workshop
everything else is super basic but you have to remember that epic are so retarded it took years to get a shopping cart
they also don't want user reviews on their platform because they cater to the publishers, not the players

>>725170956
>angry post
Meanwhile, I play games and am reasonably happy with life. I guess I should learn from you so I can ragepost online about the fact that rich people exist. That's where true satisfaction lies.

>>725170956
I take care of my family and focus on that while you seethe over rich people and covet what you don't have like a rat.

>>725170971
Nigger, fuck your gay ass drm stores. Be it valve microsoft splinter or microsoft itself or epic.
Why do valve drones reflect everything to epic store and india?
Do they not realize valve's vast indian employees?

>>725170971
why stop at the free games? Timmy already paid the devs for your copy

>>725171058
>valve's vast indian employees
It's a 300ish strong company, and any jeets are countable on your fingers.
>going to post the fake "Co-CEO" thing that sources people's LinkedIn pages where they lie about their jobs

>>725171028
>>725171037
reasonably happy people don't defend billionaires online
if you are as secure as you claim you wouldn't care about this

>>725170890
It is crazy. Amazon actually has the physical infrastructure and resources to build its own platform to compete with Steam if it really wanted to. Especially with its crazy purchasing power behind it. Hell it could probably snipe GoG's market share by making its own in-house physical distribution system the could sell you a physical copy of games on its service. It has all the resources and money to do that sort of shit if it had someone competent heading up the platform. But no instead it just likes to throw money in a pile and burn it. Which to be fair would have been a preferable alternative what it is doing with LotR and others.

>>725171098
You constantly seethe about Steam, and wonder why people don't want to abandon it, then when they tell you
>FUCKING COCKSUCKER DRM SHILL FUCK RETARD FUCK FUCK SHIT FUCK SHIT FUCK WHERE CAN I SCORE SOME ESTROGEN FUCK FUCK SHIT
If you don't want facts, don't ask for them.
>>725171103
There was a recentish statement about how they approached it wrong. They literally thought they could muscle their way into the market by throwing money at it.

Kill yourself rent seeker cocksuckers.
The future is free end to end gigabit internet connections and full on piracy and nothing you say will change it.
No more drm stores. No more fagman. No more steam. No more fake gods.

>>725171098
I'm not defending anyone. I simply don't care and find it weird that you obsess over how much money someone you will never meet has. You're a rat. Hating people for having more money than you isn't morally righteous. It's just covetous rat behavior.

>>725171173
>They literally thought they could muscle their way into the market by throwing money at it.
amazing that amazon was retarded in the exact same way epic games is

>>725171098
>if you disagree with my opinions on an anonymous imageboard made for discussion, you must be unhappy
Sure thing, champ.

>>725171218
>I'm not defending anyone.
Then piss off
But you won't because you are a retarded shill (doing it for free)

>>725171227
P.S. found it.

>>725171058
>why does everyone shit on the company that pays indians to spam everywhere to try astroturf for them and shit on valve and whoever timmy is trying to sue

Steam needs to stop removing games from my Wishlist as well as censoring VNs while allowing AI generated porn games on the platform.

>>725171315
you are an actual schizo anon

>>725171058
No one mentioned india. Sounds like you have a deep seated insecurity about being brown and project that everywhere.

>>725171292
Have you ever considered that you're a mentally ill retard and waste of genetic material?

>>725171391
baseless assumption
that's best you got stupid drone?

>>725158201
Fuck Steam
That said "Oh no, the consequences of my own actions!"
Valve invested in PC gaming while everyone else was abandoning it. When they turned around and came back to PC, did they change their tune? No, they were even more arrogant and dickish then ever. Steam never cheated and no one defends them. Other storefronts chase people into the walls, arm them, the coach them to defend Steam's wall. That shit is on other storefronts. Apart from a handful of storefronts like Gog, no one tries to be more customer friendly. They try to currate harder, they say they're going to ban 'filth' from the platform, they forcibly monopolize games through PC exclusivity. They spend shitloads on storefronts that are inferior to the unchallenged monopoly.

Fucking aye dude, Steam needs competition; but jewish corpos don't even try.

>>725171292
>hes crying and begging for people to leave so he can shill for epic in peace
LMAO

>>725165294
lmao lol, it's only useful for piracy

>>725170468
>abput
SAAAAAR SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE FREE GAMES SAAAR SAAAAAAR DO NOT

>>725171505
NTA, but
>obvious typo
>"but o isn't next to p on my hindi keyboard!"

>>725171515
its noon in india so the epicshills need to get their post count in before they can go get a bowl of sludge that someone was dipping their hand in

>>725158851
WOW FREE GARBAGE FOR A SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE STORE FRONT?! Lemme SLOP that right up!

*SCHLURP SCHLURP SCHLURP SCHLURP*

>>725156859 (OP)
Yeah, very much so.

I love the taste of salty steam drone tears in the morning.

>>725156859 (OP)
Its valid and thats a good thing
PC gaming would be infinitely worse if EA or Epic had even a fraction of the market share valve does
valve knowing that they just need to be quiet and sell games makes them the least evil option

>>725168379
Steam is bad because they employ Mary who has a hate boner for Japanese games.

>>725165850
A barebones store with no features that will steal all your games the instant you say a bad word on their forums is more anti-customer than a store that has dozens of extremely useful features, allows you to switch away from an anti-customer OS like windows, and has no threat of stealing all your games.

>steam saved pc gaming
Steam killed PC gaming though. It was flourishing before those guys got involved. The only reason there was even a modding scene in valve games were because valve relied almost completely on modders to make their games so it would be silly to be hostile towards them. They stopped giving shit about muh modders once steam got big enough to carry them which was more than a decade ago.

>>725171908
I like Steam even more now. I hope they ban all non-American games.

>>725156859 (OP)
If you do nothing, you win.

>>725159514
baiting is always free, but any time I'm ever told about timmy giving away free games from five years ago, all of the free steam/gog games that are given away just mysteriously get memory holed.

>>725158851
Nobody cares
But I'm not going to use an online store by someone who spent the 00s talking about how much he loves consoles and hates Personal Computers
Tim Sweeney's not getting a penny of my money, the only thing he'll ever get from me is my boot smashing his teeth in as his dysgenic little dweeb face crumples

>>725171295
wow, they still don't get it. impressive.

>>725171954
>plenty games dying on Xbox 360 and PS3 with no ports in sight
>but PC gaming was flourishing because Valve's own games were still being made for PC
>>725172001
I have Epic installed, and I don't even play the games I paid for (they were never ever Steam for the longest time), let alone free ones that I mostly already have on Steam.

>>725168379
Cause my payslip said to say so.

>>725172001
To be fair, gog's gotten a lot stingier now that they're making way less money.
Remember connect?

>>725171954
>It was flourishing before those guys got involved.
PC gaming was virtually dead when Valve showed up. Retail stores were almost entirely dedicated to console slop, and any PC gaming that wasn't some dogshit multiplat from the past year wasn't stocked at all. Indie was virtually nonexistent and any good older games had to be bought second-hand through ebay and suchlike.

Take a gun and blow your brains out.

>>725161052
>ugly western bitches
nah, only japanese yuri is valid

>>725172093
>PC gaming was dead during a time where all the classics were released
yeah sure buddy
totally

>>725165714
GOG isn't successful, but as a platform to buy DRM-free games there's really nothing to complain about

>>725172072
>kingdom hearts
always a funny example of how epic games kills games
most people didn't even know KH had a PC port until it finally came to steam

>>725172093
Indie has never been "virtually nonexistant" on PC. Not in burgerland, not in yuro, not in the east, nowhere.
The indie scene as it's known now - a bunch of incestual, self-fellating blowhards churning out trash and demanding it be promoted for free like it's treasure - is new, yes. But ever since BBS' got popular enough to go interstate/national, indies were a thing.
Lest your brainlet ass forget, Doom was a fucking indie.

>>725171454
For what it's worth, I really, genuinely do feel terrible for you. I can't imagine what it's like to go in front of a mirror every day and see the literal color of poop staring back at you.

>>725172294
huh

>>725172274
You are a fucking child and you don't remember the 00s.

>>725171457
>Steam needs competition
Honestly? It really doesn't. Valve is a private company, run by people who genuinely care for the customer experience (whether that's out of the goodness of their hearts or because it's profitable is irrelevant, what matters is the end result). A company like that having a monopoly is by far the best market situation possible for the customers. All their games are in one spot and Valve is able to tardwrangle other companies into treating their customers well too. If Valve had any serious competitors, the market would be split, they'd have less power, and other companies would treat the customers like shit, even on Steam.

>>725172597
>run by people who genuinely care for the custome
stopped reading there as you clearly haven't been paying attention for the last 2 decades

>>725165672
It's not a case of yet. They never will, because a bad game being reviewed badly hurts its sales, which is unacceptable on a store designed around publishers first, customers last.

>>725172639
happy customers are customers that will spend more money
need someone to post the dev talking about how epic was less than 1% of their game's total sales?

>>725172743
Valve has been censoring steam reviews for over a decade now. Reviews help games sell more not less. Valve is not stupid, they are businessmen.

>>725156859 (OP)
>EGS competes by selling games for lower price and owning some popular multiplayer games at the cost of having a low-maintenance client that installs games and nothing else
>GOG competes by selling DRM-free games that can be installed anywhere without internet connection
>everything else is dead because it had nothing to offer
There are 2 valid competitors, they are just not trying to be steam and focus on minor market segments. Did somebody really expect someone will try to be on par with steam features when steam has decades of development? That would be like making an alternative to Windows/Linux - too late for that.

>>725172778
>epic out of nowhere
holy shit you american niggers with your red vs blue mentality need to fuck off

>>725172829
>valve is censoring reviews!!!!
ahh yes the massive negative review bomb that hits helldivers every month has really been censored

>>725172860
Well, there is an alternative to linux: a mouthful of baby shit.

>>725172923
Thanks for proving you are a clueless retard parroting /v/ shills opinions

>>725172876
>epicdrone instantly triggered because his dogshit store was used as an example of a bad store gimping a game's sales

>>725159857
stupid fucking phoneposting FAGGOT
I agree with your post but howabout you fucking learn to save the full image instead of being okay with the slop served to mobile users i just wasted five minutes going through the archive to find the full size image

>>725172639
Really? What has Valve been doing the past 2 decades? I recall they've been constantly improving Steam so it gives the customers a better experience, made Linux viable so you can get away from an actual anti-customer platform; windows, given you free server space for cloud saves and allowed you to play online for free, both of which cost a subscription on consoles, and dozens of other things.
>inb4 muh paid mods muh lootboxes
Valve tried paid mods, noticed people didn't like it, apologized and never tried it again. Bethesda is still doing them.
Valve didn't invent lootboxes. Maplestory had them years before. Plus, Valves implementation is the best for customers because you can sell unwanted items.
Name one gaming company that's even remotely as pro-customer as Valve.

>>725173016
You don't understand do you?
Screaming "epic" is not an argument just like screaming "commie" or "kike" or whatever boogeyman is not an argument. There is not a single faggot who hates valve that likes epic kys disingenious nigger

>>725172993
>no argument
you're losing badly epicshill

>>725173085
>improving Steam
stopped reading there
>>725173127
meds

>>725172391
It seems you've made a mistake. There appears to be a printed out picture of an anime girl taped to your mirror. I know this might shatter your worldview, but that's not actually you. It's a japanese drawing of a (probably underage) girl.

>>725173187
>tourist
go back to xitter

DOWN WITH THIS SICK CUSTOMER FOCUSED MONOPOLY
THE LOWEST BIDDERS SHOULD HAVE A STAKE IN THE VIDYA MARKET
I HATE HAVING EASY ACCESS TO MY GAMES, I LOVE JUMPING THROUGH HOOPS
I HATE BEING ABLE TO SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK OF A GAME I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GET SCAMMED
I HATE BEING ABLE TO REFUND MY GAMES, I LOVE TO FIGHT CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR 3 MONTHS AND THEN GET NOTHING OUT OF IT

>>725173085
don't forget their two most recent pro-customer moves:
letting CS players combine shittier skins into better ones and even knives
and adding a trade back feature to their system so that if someone has second thoughts or gets scammed they can reverse the trade instantly and both people get their items back

as a bonus, both of these pro-customer moves heavily fuck over the third-party gambling shits

>>725173024
Blame the website not me, nor my fault they compress images to that point with mobile users, I just want to comfily post from my bed.

>>725173183
>I can tell you BTFO'd me from the first sentence, so I'm just not gonna read your post. If I don't see it, it doesn't exist. What object permanence?
Ok whatever.

>>725173260
valve took months to return some of my steam funds stolen by a random thirdworlder hacker back in day and not even all of it

>>725173314
True. I don't even care about the skin market, but the sheer amount of seethe generated by those 2 simple actions was worth making the changes. Fucking hilarious kek.

>>725171195
THIS. TRVKE.

Steamie are pathetic.

>>725173372
When someone says something so wrong right from start it's best to ignore rest of the wall of text as it's clearly nitpicked piece of lie.

>>725173571
>when someone
stopped reading there

>>725173554
>I steal games
>but not good ones
You're like a dude shoplifting paddleball sets from Walmart.

>>725173615
Except piracy isnt theft though. Its DMCA violation.

>>725165294
gog is a niche a product, steam is starcucks, gog is specialty cafe

>>725158851
i don't care about epic giving out free games, i don't care about free games, i don't have enough time to play the all the games i bought and when i do, i probably just play the game i bought 20 years ago anyway

>>725171173
>There was a recentish statement about how they approached it wrong
Yeah I remember reading that. But a lot of it was they didn't really try to approach it in any sensible manner. Like it was acknowledged it would be hard to lure people over to them, and then tried nothing about it. It is a very valid issue for any company that wants to enter the same market, but they invariably always fall short of even reaching parity with Steam before even considering or tackling the prospect of offering something Steam doesn't to win customers over. You either have to offer a better product, or an alternative product. And these companies offer neither.

>>725168376
If I made a post saying everybody in the world wants to rape children but not admit it, I don't think their angry responses would mean I'm right.

>>725171195
This but only if the game is on EGS
timmy paid for my copy so I'll just download it from free from another site

>>725173085
>valve didn't invent gambling lootbox cancer so it's okay, also you can sell trash for virtual cents on NFT marketplace
imagine writing same essays in defense of your master every time someone dares to criticize his ponzi scheme, you should consider killing yourself nft cuck

>>725173894
>2025
>still shitting his pants crying about the community market letting people ignore the lootboxes on steam

>>725173371
check filename for .jpg or .png open image in new tab click the url change m.jpg to .jpg or .png and save the full size

>>725164835
HEY EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH THIS GUY'S A FUCKING REDDITOR

>>725156859 (OP)
Steam has everything I want on it and I already have games in it's library, no other pc launcher platform gives me any incentive at all to use them, it's a monopoly but it's a justified one.

>>725173607
>no u
seethe drone

what exactly is wrong with having a monopoly on PC gaming

>>725166952
Do you also think microsoft, sony, nintendo, google and apple should stop doing that? Or does your employer tell you to only complain about Steam because he's not competing with those others?

>>725158851
and you can get free food at the food bank
but barely anyone does, because variety and choice are qualities they are willing to spend money for

>>725168379
Steam is bad because you don't actually own the games you buy there

>>725156859 (OP)
I was laughing on the epic games store launch. PC players already have vested interest in Steam. Not to say the twenty years of distribution, community market, workshop, and social network that was built. That's a lot of goodwill that needs to be competed against. Which, at steam's current directory, is a monolith to overcome.

>>725174316
You don't own games when you buy them from any digital storefront, period.

>>725174242
It's antisemitic because the jews aren't able to own it through public trading investors

>>725173894
I've never played a game with a lootbox. Maybe you should try playing real games.

>>725158851
the era where valve can do no wrong is probably gone
obviously steam is still doing well and has no real threats, but the era of EVERYONE online being a valve fanboy has passed because they just haven't made anything
roblox kids don't give a fuck about valve and they're about to become the biggest consumer market

>>725169770
My PC doesn't look like that. It's purely user choice. Better than console where the entire OS is DRM.

if you're not doing it better than steam you aren't a competitor. it's as simple as that.

I will own nothing, and I am content with that.

>>725174193
didn't read
stay mad epicshill and/or sorry for your loss

>>725174193
>>
stopped reading there

>>725174102
>it's a monopoly but it's a justified one.
this logic is why steam gets a 30% cut on all games and nobody whines, yet if ANYONE else ever did it, /v/ would have countless threads going "fuck these jews". it's blatant hypocrisy.

>>725161123
>people use it without complaint
you are complaining right now, so I take it you agree you're a subhuman?

>>725170429
>gabe spends his fortune helping to discover and study the oceans
>timmy spends his money trying to make a monopoly with bribes and courtcases

>>725170429
This is the classic epic games retard cope.
It's piss easy to crack steam games, or rather, steam_api isn't intended to be DRM, it's platform integration.
And for "smelling like microsoft" they sure have invested a whole lot in open source software to light a fire under microsoft's ass.

>>725173615
>B-B-BUH YOU'RE JUST POOR YOU CAN'T AFFORD GAYMES ON STEAM!

No I just dont agree with steam or want to use their digital revokable license or terms.

If I play a game and like it I'll email the devs and ask for them to provide a monero address and I'll pay 2X or buy merch from them if they sell it. If they dont respond it's their loss. Then they can do whatever the fuck they want swap it for BTC to sell on coinbase or sell it somewhere like kraken or another exchange.

If I dev cant spend 3 minutes installing cake wallet to receive funds then I guess they dont want money.

They should be grateful if I like their game, steam takes a 30% cut.

>>725163357
people that aren't dirt poor care about qualities other than just price

>>725174581
>if anyone else ever did it
those evil brick and mortal physical locations, those greedy mom and pop stores and those evil consoles all charging the industry standard

>Steam is a monopoly!

No it isn't. Steam is a market leader. To be a monopoly you need to take actions which prevent competition. Steam does not do this. Ironically it's all their competitors who use anti-competitive practices like exclusivity deals.

>>725174581
The funny thing is that 30% has been the industry standard before Valve even existed.

>>725174685
Valve absolutely qualifies as a monopoly on PC games, but they're a natural monopoly and haven't engaged in any real anti-competitive behavior, so it's not a legal problem.
I feel like this is an extremely common misunderstanding among people, but being a monopoly isn't actually illegal.

I can smell the MOSADIC agent working for BLACKROCK seething in their israeli binkers

Valve being a privately owned company enrages the financial warlords

>>725174685
There is such a thing as a natural monopoly, which is when you own the market share because your competition is simply too incompetent to compete with you. But that is at most a technicality and not the sort of monopoly that the laws are intended to break up.

>>725174361
you don't own them if you buy physical copies these days either

>>725174740
>Valve absolutely qualifies as a monopoly on PC games,
No they don't. How the hell are you defining "monopoly"? Does "monopoly" = "successful business"? That definition is worthless. Stop misusing it.

>>725158851
>"if you aren't a mindless consumer drone, you would try out both instead of shitting your pants when it's brought up"
>20 responses of people shitting their pants because Epic was brought up
Jesus, dude was 100% right.

>>725174653
So you're poor.

>>725174853
Monopoly is having a supermajority of the market share to the point where you COULD feasibly engage in anti-competitve behavior.

>>725174678
1. nice strawman 2. people literally whine about this shit, so again, point stands. go ahead, tell me that people didn't bitch about the ps5 price, the switch price, but then valve comes out with a steamdeck and what happened? not a single wink of criticism about the same points that apply. curious.

>>725174809
Steam isn't even a natural monopoly, as competition in the PC storefront space exists. Calling Valve a monopoly is wrong on every front.

>>725174832
Video games in general got fucked very hard by the whole "buying a license" crap.

Honestly I'd consider a storefront that wasn't full of low effort shovelware like Steam.

>>725158851
when the service is actively dogshit to use and Chinese spyware then yes installing it just for free games is detrimental to me long term

>>725174389
>"I LOVE STEAM SO MUCH"
>didn't play valve games
???

>>725174889
So any business sector with two dominant companies is a monopoly? Was Intel in its hayday a monopoly?

>>725168379
the case against natural monopolies is that "you do not know what you're missing"
each dollar they take in profit, could instead be re-invested into making the service better for you, if they were forced to by competition

>I can download my games any time they are safe

>"Sorry we can't host these revokable licenses anymore or lost the right to sell them, sorry guys! Time to hop on my yacht!"

I think I get it. According to technocrats / arm-chair experts, a healthy business sector must have exactly three companies with 33% market share each. Anything else is monopolistic and/or a market failure and must be fixed by the state.

>>725175032
And how the FUCK would you make them invest it into better service if they already have the best service? By threatening to break their legs?

>competition shoot themselves in the foot with an elephant gun
>"It's Steam's fault my leg is missing"
It's never not funny.

>>725174905
>goalpost moving

>>725158201
Reddit drones hate Steam because it's a heckin' monopoly and they allow too many chud games on the platform

>>725174907
They arguably do qualify for it in many respects. It is THE go to platform for PC to release your games on. Even when not the sole platform you release on. EGS makes no sales because the platform is dogshit, itch does get some sales but it largely because of hipsters wanting to counter-culture instead of buying on Steam and the major games still generally release on Steam anyway, and despite the service GOG offers they still aren't a real fraction of the sales compared to Steam. There is nothing preventing a company with enough capital and technical knowledge from competing with Steam, but until that happens Steam is still the primary release platform for PC if you want real potential for sales. It is a natural monopoly, but as I said that shouldn't be confused with the sort of monopoly that it is being called by these paid EGS shills.

>>725174860
>call everyone a mindless drone because they don't want to take a bite of a giant log of shit
>act surprised when you get called a retard
meanwhile every time someone has used epic as an example of a shitty store theres been a ton of instant replies seething about epic being shat on

>>725173085
>made Linux viable so you can get away from an actual anti-customer platform
Too many of my older games still won't fully work on Linux due to codec dependencies
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/1464

>>725175118
Also, that argument doesn't even match observable reality. Steam has the best service on the market yet they're still improving it. Steam Input is amazing and alone makes the client worth using over the competition.

>>725175219
Monopoly means the government is preventing anyone from competing with them. That's it. That's the entire definition. No one is being legally prevented from competing with Steam, so it isn't a monopoly.

>>725175041
show me the games that people bought and can no longer download
>inb4 its some scam game that valve kicked off the store for abusing customers

>>725175041
I don't think Steam has actually revoked anyone's access to games they previously purchased outside of specific legal pressure. Even the stuff where the Publisher license expires you still retain, it just doesn't get sold anymore. Perfect example is whatever that Duke Nukem 3D package was before Gearbox bought the rights and nuked it in favour of their worse re-release version.

>>725175335
I wish I'd bought Crazy Taxi before they pulled it :(

>>725175219
GOG just exists to make things easier for pirates, I have no idea how they're even still around. Seems they're having money problems now so they probably won't be for much longer.

>>725175238
They have been working on that and contributing it upstream, however. They've recently been working on using ffmpeg directly as a backend for all this stuff instead of gstreamer.

>>725175219
No, Steam a market leader, not a monopoly. The most successful games of all time use their own launchers instead of Steam. Plenty of competition exists and Steam takes zero actions to prevent others from using it. The broad definition of monopoly you're using renders the term meaningless. By using it you're implying success is bad and should be punished.

>>725175238
I mean, sure, obviously it's not perfect. That doesn't mean it's not a million times better than before Proton launched, and it's been constantly improving.

>>725175228
Especially funny when you remember EGS wasn't even meant to be an actual store, just a front to sue Apple and Valve, and to this day is still barely a store.

>>725175335
There's only two circumstances in which I've seen them nuke things:
- The game is grossly copyright infringing or illegal
- The game is entirely non-functional due to a network service dependency and the title screen doesn't even show up

>>725158201
You're literally retarded.

>>725175383
I hope not, since GOG is the only other storefront that focuses on customer service over monopolistic exclusivity deals. It's actually quite nice.

>>725175303
You are arguing against a distinct sub definition intended to differentiate a company from an actual monopoly that needs to be broken up. Like the term literally exists to say that the company isn't a 'Monopoly' because of XYZ. Your actual definition of monopoly is wrong to begin with anyway.

>>725174985
I played Valve games until 2009. I moved on because my PC was made after 2003. Steam has nothing to do with that.

>>725158851
Don't care, still not installing that stupid launcher.

You dont own your account legally. Everything in it, including all your licenses which is your ability to download you don't have a right to keep forever.

You pay a one time subscription fee to download games for as long as they let you have your account but make no mistake you do NOT own the right to keep that downloaded that game. You only have the right to keep those files as long as steam allows you to keep your account.

Once those licenses get revoked, if your steam account gets banned or they just decide to remove your account for whatever reason, now those files on your PC are copyright infringement legally.

You only own it "legally" as long as steam says you do and they deal with the license side.

You have no rights, it's their platform and your account is in the ownership and control of steam to do whatever they want with it, not yours. They decide what happens to your account, not you.

So if buying is never owning, then piracy isn't stealing because you cant steal something that you cant own.

That's like saying its theft if I took a patented seed from an apple at the store, planted it with my own supplies(copied) and ate/sold it. Its not theft because you didn't steal the original property. Likewise you can't steal infinitely copied files just like planting a seed and copying it from growing isn't stealing. DMCA will argue differently but no one follows it because its not morally or legally just to follow it.

Just like how it is not morally right to buy from steam, because they are not selling you any product that has original property, and therefore it can't be stolen. Copying files can never be stealing.

>>725175443
So yeah external legal pressure, and in that second instance redundancy I would say. Both valid cases though.

>>725175118
by losing market share to a competitor that offers a similar/better experience
>>725175274
Yes, I'm not shitting on steam or saying it's not worth using.
But it's not perfect, it definitionally can't be if they are still improving it. You don't know what you are missing, in that had there been better competition, maybe the improvements steam will make over the next year would be done over the next 3 months.
If you look at their news releases https://store.steampowered.com/news/collection/steam/
the by far most prominent topic is the steam deck, which coincidentally is facing better competition than steam

>>725175536
thats a lot of schizo babble and I'm not reading it

>>725175383
>I have no idea how they're even still around
Because piracy is a literal non-issue if you have a good product that is offered at a reasonable price point versus perceived consumer value. Music is literally available for free via YT, yet people are still buying it on streaming services or physical media.

>>725175536
>That's like saying its theft if I took a patented seed from an apple at the store, planted it with my own supplies(copied) and ate/sold it. Its not theft because you didn't steal the original property. Likewise you can't steal infinitely copied files just like planting a seed and copying it from growing isn't stealing. DMCA will argue differently but no one follows it because its not morally or legally just to follow it.
Good luck with that, most commercially sold fruits nowadays are genetically engineered to be sterile, you couldn't grow an apple from that if you tried

>>725175492
No, other way around. The original definition of monopoly was exactly that: the government allowing only one business to operate. The "modern" definition of monopoly was broadened by the courts to break up successful businesses by lobby interests. It has no standards and is based on feels.

>>725175603
Sorry thats a lot of cope and I'm not buying virtual licenses from steam, sorry!

>>725156859 (OP)
Lets check the list.

Google Stadia
Amazon Twitch, Amazon Games, Luna
IGN/Humble Bundle
MS Xbox and Live.
Sony
Nintendo
Apple
GOG
Key resellers
Epic.

>>725158851
What's irrational about a track record of performance?

>>725175594
That's not an argument for breaking up market leaders. By breaking up Steam you're not going to end up with more competitive stores. You'll have two shittier ones.

>>725174905
>people complain about shitty, overpriced hardware
>but not about great, fairly priced hardware
Yeah, what a bunch of hypocrites.

>>725175639
Then the definition has changed and you are using an archaic definition. Regardless that doesn't help your case either way. We both agree that Steam isn't a monopoly, we are only arguing over the semantics of the reasoning for it and its correct classification.

>>725175303
A monopoly have nothing to do with governments, it's just being the sole supplier in a market.
The guy who bought all the turnips(?) in the US was a monopoly (within the US) for a while since the only person you could buy turnips from was him, the US government had nothing to do it with it, he just threw money at everyone to get the entire supply.

>>725175719
The true definition is the only useful one. The one used by courts is literally meaningless and should be avoided. Just because some dude in a wig says something does not mean it's true.

>>725175615
Well if you just took an apple seed that was fertile, and planted it, and it reproduced where you could eat/sell it that's a violation of copyright if fruit were managed the same as media.

DMCA argues the same should be applied to computer files, but the difference is files on a computer aren't a physical thing and they aren't even an original property.

>>725175760
Well Steam clearly isn't the only supplier of digital video games, so it clearly isn't a fucking monopoly lmao.

>>725175793
If it is being decided in the courts then unfortunately it isn't meaningless, as that is literally what they will work off. Whether that is objectively true or correct is a whole other discussion and my take on that is string all of them up from the nearest tree or light post, whichever is closer.

>>725175760
Unless you use the state to prevent competition, you aren't going to stay the sole supplier. By your logic anybody who starts a new business has a monopoly. Open up the first shoe store in your city? Apparently you have a monopoly. Again, useless definition.

>>725175830
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that this shit is ridiculous. The point of copyright has been lost over the years thanks to Walt fuckface Disney. Copyright terms have no business being more than 20 years as far as I'm concerned.

>>725175903
Objective truth is the only thing that matters. We are gamers, not lawyers who suck the cock of the state.

Install the epic games launcher
I am no longer asking

>>725175660
having a track record of good service is part of an unfair monopoly

>>725175917
Copyright terms have no business even existing. Where exactly are you pulling the 20 year figure from? How do you know what the ideal length for an intellectual monopoly is? Your ass?

>>725158201
AND THEY WORKED HARD FOR IT
>fpbp

>>725176020
I don't know what the ideal length is.
All I'm saying is that whatever the ideal length is, it's certainly not more than 20 years.

>>725175654
You don't own your switch games

>>725175983
And what are you going to do if I don't? Eat my TV remote?

>>725175882
Exactly. They have active competitions and they aren't doing anything to flush them out. (the competition so far flushed themselves out through sheer stupidity)
They are a market leader, which is that they own a large share of the market.

>>725175907
A monopoly is just being the sole supplier, but yes, obviously this isn't something you keep if you aren't actively trying to keep it, because competition will rise to get a share of the market. To stay a monopoly, you have to aggressively take them out through various hostile and predatory practices, and prevent them from even existing in the first time.

>>725175983
FETCH

>>725168379
because I don't like to be forced to have steam running in the background for literally no reason

Why should I install another game browser steam is enough

>>725176137
Well, unless your competition is retarded and keeps committing sudoku

>>725175917
The government doesn't try it with food because if you take away people's right to produce/eat food, people will literally fucking overthrow the government if they are armed, and the US population is armed to the teeth. People will go apeshit if they have weapons, if they don't they starve to death in the tens of millions like in mao's china.

Digital media is one way they have slipped their grubby hands to make a loophole that allows them to legally punish people for copying media with DMCA which is 25 years old.

For all of human history its been agreed upon that if you buy a product thats unique and physical that someone says you can keep then its implied you at the very least have a right to own it and do what you want with it for own person use, and thats how growing food has always been.

>>725176172
Epic does the same and has no value as a platform

>>725171195
based

>>725175238
Aren't all the codec issues fixed by Proton-GE? Or is it only when the issue is that it's a proprietary codec Valve legally can't ship?

>>725171612
>I will NOT play a game for free that I like for tens of hours if I have to look at the store front for 5 seconds before launching the game
That's like saying you don't want to drive your favorite car just because you have to walk to the parking lot.

>>725176124
>*shits on your carpet*

Steam's problem is allowing gooners to use Steam. There's too much this kind of shit in there it's insane. PC gamers have no right to call anyone else gooner. Filters are on btw. That one bottom right loli has been on Steam since 2022 too at least, there's older stuff too. You can try and report as many times as you like and Steam still does nothing.

>>725158851
The loyalty to Gabe comes from the fact the console manufacturers have made him look like Ghandi in comparison

>>725176198
This cancer started with patents in the 1400's and expanded from there. I was livid when I learned it even infected the US constitution. Instantly made me think less of the founding fathers.

>>725176239
ok, I don't use Epic either

>>725163156
starting to look like this guy was right

>>725176262
>Aren't all the codec issues fixed by Proton-GE?
>Aren't all the codec issues fixed by Proton-GE?
Nope. Some formats like WMV tend to be problematic to this day. Sometimes it'll play with no audio, sometimes there'll be audio with no video, sometimes it just won't play anything.

>>725176337
>Wallpaper Engine
You're literally asking for it.

>>725175710
>That's not an argument for breaking up market leaders
yea, you didn't ask for that
If valve would get broken up it wouldn't be to create two valves that do the same things, but done across verticals, probably with one side being Steam the other Valve's first party games + marketplace (cs:go and dota 2 are still two biggest titles on steam) with a commitment from the second to actually sell on other stores. Everything else can go to either one.
But the main thing would be axing the "no lower prices than on steam rule" by restricting it only to apply to steam licenses, because right now, even if a new store matches steam's feature development speed they will forever be behind, even if they double it they still would need over a decade to reach parity. The other major way to "reinvest" is to just lower your prices, but they can't do that because no developer will leave steam to sell to a smaller audience for the same after the cut price.

>>725176638
>"no lower prices than on steam rule" by restricting it only to apply to steam licenses
That's already the case. It only applies if you're selling steam keys somewhere else.

>>725176560
Guides are not which is the bottom row.

>>725176638
so when are they going to break up Epic games to fix the monopoly they have on fortnite

>>725158851
>the free games that epic offers
you are a wretched park pigeon lusting after rancid crumbs of bread
EGS offering "free" games is nothing short of emotional bribery and i am frankly sick of midwits propping them up as being so generous for this facade

>>725176736
Guides are a different kind of hell I agree. It's one of those things they added but then never really moderated for some reasons, it's full of garbage.

>>725176859
The titles are a lot worse now. They offered a bunch of stale AAA stuff for a while, but now it's shovelware.

>>725175536
>That's like saying its theft if I took a patented seed from an apple at the store, planted it with my own supplies(copied) and ate/sold it.
That's theft. Monsanto modern equivalent corpos would like a word with you.

>>725176859
how dare you
you should be GRATEFUL that epic is giving away limbo in 2025!

>>725177032
Why do I have the feeling that getting those games would get me a lengthy lecture on patriarchy

Yes
>>725158201
this guy is a redditor

>>725176392

Fun fact during and before revolutionary wars american spies went to Britain and stole patents for factories, mills, and tooling to make muskets as well as copying the design for british muskets to produce in america, they also copied designs of french muskets too.

They copied the designs and then took them back to America. Americans rebels copied the brown bess design from the British and it became literally the standard issue musket for most soldiers. Also the famous Slater Mill in Rhode Island is a copied design from the british.

U.S. has been stealing ideas, patents and designs for their own benefit before our great great great great great great great great grandparents( your 8th generation grandparents would be born between 1740-1750) were even alive

>>725177125
No, it's copyright violation. AKA, a fake crime.

>>725177125
All they have is their sad little patents and DMCA, which nobody follows because its morally not right.
Its like how cannabis is semi legal in america, people use it because its democratically and morally right to have the right to ingest whatever the people want, yet the undemocratic government in the US which is not the people still enforce it as illegal.
They get btfo'd by the states so hard they ran like little cucks, now states are just openly disobeying federal law LOL. The people have spoke.

>>725176716
They deny the PMFN in wolfire v valve, it was dismissed. They re-filled in 2022 and got upgraded to class-action in 2024 which I couldn't find the docket for. You're right anon, I stand corrected
>>725176773
they don't have a monopoly over the sector of BRs, or shooters, or games as whole
copyright grants you legal monopoly over your creative work

>>725177442
>copyright grants you legal monopoly over your creative work
But I thought monopoly was bad? Now suddenly it's good?

>>725158201
FPBP. The responses here actually prove his point. People seem to forget that Steam did the same thing other stores are being criticized for now: forcing users to use their platform. When it first launched, Steam was dogshit and awful to use. Funny how they got brainwashed over time

>>725177528
monopoly good if its epic's monopoly

>>725177528
I don't care what you think

>>725177682
>b-b-b-b-b-but 20 years ago steam was bad!!!!!
holy cope
steam also doesn't force anyone to use steam, sorry the truth that every other option is worse triggers you epicshill

>>725158201
FPBP, also Steamies have no games.

>>725177682
To me I dont give too much of a shit whether people use steams service or whether its a monopoly.

I just want to be able to own the games I buy either digitally or physically.

If that's not an option then copying files for free, which is not theft, is the only way because they gave me no choice.

>>725156859 (OP)
>Is this still valid for Steam?
no, epicgames is beating them

>>725177032
It is funny. They blew their load early on in regards to throwing out money for the free games. None of it evolved into real sales on the platform. And the act of taking the EGS deal for your game to be free or timed exclusive became a poison in itself. Though to be fair some Developers/Publishers shot themselves in the foot when doing it like PGI and trying to be sneaky kikes in regards to Steam keys they promised as part of crowd funding they tried to stealthily replace with EGS keys without telling anyone.

>>725177791
lmao
epoojeets really think this

>>725175178
lol i guess you've never visited r/pcmasterrace or r/steam

>You NEED to give me your money because steam should have competition
Plug back in New World, Mr Bezos. I'm buying a Luna subscription after my commission from the artist who can't draw faces comes back. That portrait painter has a monopoly on art!
>>>725177682
>Your store was bare bones and bad in yester year so its okay for mine to have no basic features and you need to use it out of guilt and pity
Because Steam never changed and improved over time, new users never chose to use it other the alternatives and its [Insert cope here] causing nobody to subscribe to ubisoft +
Same reason everybody loved the Stadia and defended it because consoles in the early 90s were slow too! GIVE HUMBLE SMALL COMPANY GOOGLE A FUCKING CHANCE GUYS

GOG CHADS WON
LIL STEAMIES LOST

>>725158201
Steam has been censoring and banning Japanese games for a long time, and the brainwashed reddit cucks love to pretend it's not happening because they hate animes that are authentic Japanese. The only animes that reddit cucks enjoy are edgy incel bullshit like Chainsawman and Gachiakuta.

>>725178256
But gog is the same as steam, you dont own it and if you copy your gog installer, virtual data to another PC as a backup its copyright infringement because you dont own the game license or have the rights to have it on more than one PC. .

>>725158851
nice bait

>>725178387
and what are they going to do? stop me?

>>725178614
Nope. Just like Steam won't either. Have fun with your shitty outdated platform. I'll be over here enjoying all the features Steam has and still being able to back up my games.

just like the first post said, ready to defend it all the time and they're doing it FOR FREE

>>725179089
What's it like living in Brazil? I ask merely for information.

>>725175536
>So if buying is never owning, then piracy isn't stealing
I hate you wimpy faggot zoomers who peddle this phrase. Piracy was never and never will be stealing regardless of anything. You timid bitches just make it worse by thinking you need some gay excuses to pirate.

>>725158201
>>725158851
Epic shill has a mental breakdown

>>725178614
That depends, are you another Edward Snowden, FPSrussia or another person that the US government has a hate boner for because you exposed their kikery and hypocrisy.

Exposing how undemocratic and detatched the government is they are from what WE THE PEOPLE actually want legal is what they hate the most. So they'll do anything to entrap you.
They'll persecute and prosecute one single person or business while ignoring normal people because its not about justice its about malicious corrupt power.

Cannabis is a modern example of how unpopular the US government is. States are making their own law separate from they feds, the people, yet they still cherry pick which laws they want to enforce instead of getting with the program and doing what the people want.

>>725178387
gog is far worse than steam, they contribute nothing to gaming unlike valve which has made gaming better with proton development, nobody will miss gog when they go under

>>725179134
>>725179185
kek proving the point once again

>>725179635
I agree steam has good features like controller profiles, steam input, workshop, community profiles, achievements, but I cant use either because I cant own the game on these platforms.

>>725179761
you should use steam to support linux gaming development, that's well worth anything else
you have no idea how fucking bad gaming on linux was prior to steam getting involved

>>725179796
>linux cuck shilling drm store
absolute state of /g/ay

>>725178614
Nothing really, its not theft and morally DMCA is unjust just like patents for shit like seeds. At least in america the government has bigger things to worry about than little timmy downloading the minecraft movie or his favorite indie game. Just like they dont give a shit about legal weed because local cops wont enforce it, and local state cops are literally the only thing keeping peace in america or enforcing law, not the feds.
Theres millions of illegals and a lot of them are dealing and trafficking hundreds of pounds of fent pills.

https://youtu.be/IeTybKL1pM4

>>725165595
That interview with the Amazon gaming VP is hilarious.

>"At Amazon, we assumed that size and visibility would be enough to attract customers, but we underestimated the power of existing user habits. We never validated our core assumptions before investing heavily in solutions. The truth is that gamers already had the solution to their problems, and they weren't going to switch platforms just because a new one was available."
>"The mistake was that we underestimated what made consumers use Steam. It was a store, a social network, a library, and a trophy case all in one. And it worked well."

They really have no idea what they're doing. All of this should be painfully obvious to anyone that has the slightest interest in gaming. And there's the suggestion here is that the idea that something "working well" would have people want to use it comes as a surprise to Amazon.

>>725158201
>other competitors don't
They don't a lot of things indeed.

>>725179853
>winjeet calling anyone else a cuck
too easy

>>725156859 (OP)
Yeah. Steam doesn't have a monopoly, everyone else has just completely and utterly failed to provide a similar service; they're all drastically worse.

Epic has ensured I will never use the EGS because of their retarded exclusivity bribery.

>>725180148
I don't get why a linux fag would shill steam. Aren't you guys all about freedom or something? Why shill a fucking drm store if you are a linux fag? What the hell? Just use Windows at that point.

>>725179954
It makes perfect sense when you understand how corporate ideas happen. Some retarded boomer in management who is completely disconnected from the real world hears or reads about some thing that takes their fancy or is making money. They then do zero research and tell the management under them to start making a copy of the thing or doing the thing. But they don't actually copy it as that would cost real money, instead they waste time and resources having them build a crude simulacrum that is barely anything like the original even in name or intent. At that point it becomes a case of whether they manage to get something shat out, stall production and double down to burn more money just to shit something out, or they get bored after wasting so much time and money it just gets scrapped entirely. At no point in the endeavour do they ever actually get people who know about the thing, and instead just validate the idea with sycophant yes men that agree with their boss to keep their job. This happens in every corporation, and only gets worse the bigger it is or the more money it has.

>>725180242
steam is by far the best way to play games on linux thanks to proton integration

>>725180242
Valve invested into Linux and made Linux gaming an actually viable alternative to windows.

>>725180518
>>725180534
You still don't understand.
Why even use linux if you are a cuck who is downloading shit like drm stores? You should be pirating games.
Answer: A reasonable person stays on windows and pirates. A retarded cultists shills steam and mentions "but steam implemented an open source emu for linux that one time"

>>725180627
>Implying I can't pirate on Linux

Amazon Games just nepohire positions that did nothing but collect salary while doing nothing
like they pretended they were "competing with Steam" yet nobody even KNEW they were competing with Steam.
Amazon Games is best/only known for censoring KR/JP MMOs and lazily painting half the NPCs black as part of the trannylator lolcalization process.
I would bet that a lot of Amazon Prime subscribers don't even know about the Amazon freebie shit they get included with Amazon Prime. it's not just free shipping--it's also a free monthly shitty book on their Amazon ebooks app and freebie shitty or ANCIENT games from the Amazon Prime Games app.

>>725180627
not him but I agree with you. If you use linux and free software, you should be anti DRM and pirate because its not stealing and its morally right

Well the only reason i do t use epic is because of their 4chan marketing campaign it was so bad all topics were just steam bad epic good and that weird guy timmy

>>725180627
Considering Valve put so much time and investment into Proton, which has made Linux gaming actually viable, they deserve our money. That money directly goes to further improving gaming on Linux.

>>725180661
Video games especially old games are native to windows. A real gamer (not you) has no reason to stick with linux. You don't even use linux, you are just desperately nitpicking random shit to make steam look less jewish and evil. Hence why steam drones keep calling everyone epic shills as if anti steam fags are pro epic like that makes sense. They are disingenuous.

>>725180780
>You don't even use linux
Just because you cannot comprehend how to use it yourself, that doesn't mean everyone else is a cucked winjeet like you.

>>725180756
Actually half that money goes into pockets of a bunch of boomers at valve and other half gaben's yacht collection.

>>725180846
They deserve to have some money to be happy with for making huge contributions to gaming. I know that your favelamonkey mind cannot comprehend the idea that people should be paid for their hard work when it genuinely benefits others, but that's the way the world works in developed nations.

I am actually convinced a good portion of posters here are unironic steam shills.
I refuse to believe real people talk like this, not even baiters are this desperate. Even Aquajeet doesn't shill steam.

>>725180887
They have done nothing but harm to video games and got rewarded for it.
I am saying this just in case a real anon is lurking here I know you are a drone shill.

>>725180920
jeets have no reason to shill steam, they game on their android phones

>>725181009
>They have done nothing but harm to video games
Proton is an immense contribution to PC gaming, which is the future of gaming as a whole. If you weren't a winjeet this whole time you would understand this.

>>725181021
You have to be stupid to think valve doesn't run shills on social media at this point.

>>725181130
Valve has zero reason to shill anything. They are clearly in the lead among gaming platforms, their service is clearly massively ahead of all of the others. They are the default platform for PC gaming in general.

>>725181163
Valve clearly cares about their PR or else they wouldn't hire the shills itt.

>>725181226
Take your meds, miguel.

>>725181064
Valve wants to contribute to PC gaming? How about they make video games instead of hiring shills or censoring video games?

IDK why people hate valve its a win win for everyone, though I'm not going to use steam except for multiplayer games like foxhole.
The only negative you can only really say is that they are contributing to the culture of copyright and licenses but thats US law corrupted by corpos like disney, ubisoft, EA and their greed, not steams fault.

They have made pirates happy and literally provide clean ripped files for any game you want, companies happy because they can sell their games to normies who will buy for the ecosystem. achievements etc and linux users happy because they are open sourcing their development for linux gaming and advancing linux.

>>725181459
no one cares drone shill
move along

Mister steam cultist. Why don't you ask GabeN to use some of his immense monopoly money to make uhmm idk half life 3?

>>725156859 (OP)
Kinda.
But on the occasions the same game is available on GOG that takes priority for me.

>>725181398
They do, as opposed to Epic who only cares about making the entire industry shittier by flooding it with Unreal Engine dogshit and making the average competency of developers go down as they're replaced by jeet interns

>>725181649
Notice how only steam drones bring up epic out of nowhere.

>aquafag
>has dogshit opinions
>already reverted to "everyone who disagrees with me is a shill"
Every time.

>>725181523
What exactly do you not like about steam besides the censorship and licenses. You do know theres games that are successful outside of steam like vintage story. The only negative thing about steam is the license agreement and the censorship is about US law.

>>725164767
>Retarded parrot
No, you're just a fuckin' nigger. I pirated games when I was a young poorfag. Steam is infinitely more convenient.

>>725181753
https://valvetruth.blogspot.com/2023/04/after-watching-platform-of-steam-and.html
Not like any steam shill will read this

>>725181828
yea censorship, DEI and hypocrisy are bad, but they are great for pirates.

Just pirate their gaymes if you dont like them and make your own steam. Heroic games launcher has made it pretty easy now.

>>725179997
>family sharing not on that list

>>725181563
I care far more about continued Proton development than HL3.

>>725181753
>the censorship is about US law
Not even, it's about the personal tastes of private payment processors

>>725181226
What's your goal? Let's say I quit using Steam right now. What do I switch to?

>>725182124
Why not just play on Windows without emu shit? What's the point of this retarded consolefaggotry on PC? At the end of the day I just want to play video games and launch photoshop without using emu (akstuclalyl its a compatibility layer)
so emu
anyway, hope you udnerstand at the end of the day pc is just a tool
idc about your retarded tribalism
i will use windows and pirate games
you can shill steam

>>725170746
You'll never convince an idiot that he's an idiot.

>>725181835
mythical tier post

>>725182280
guess you are smarter for defending your billionaire overlords on the internet for free
my bad

>>725182245
>Why not just play on Windows without emu shit?
Because Windows is jeet spyware

>>725162993
One of the terms for publishing a game on Steam is the game is not available on another storefront with a cheaper price. You either have the game on both platforms at the same price, or you don't have it on Steam.

>>725182798
Yet it runs everything natively which is what matters at the end of the day if you are actually using your beyond browsing internet
This isn't the case with steam. When it comes to steam you can just not use it and get a better experience pirating game from internet.

>>725183008
>it doesn't matter if you're being spied on while using buggy jeetware bro, trust me
fuck right off

>>725183067
It's not ideal. I also don't want to share a world with faggots like you and would rather end your life this moment but we are bound by rules and have to compromise.

>>725158851
>seethe over others
never seen it here desu
>irrational loyalty
usually a response to irrational hatred

>>725158201
you got the pRedditors mad lmao

>>725170767
>still argument
reddit moment kek

Kill all steam cucks
Sink all gaben's illegal ships

>>725183503
What should I switch to if I gave up Steam today?

>>725183113
>savage thirdie barbarian resorts to threats of murder over an internet disagreement regarding video games
low IQ moment

>>725156859 (OP)
yeah

>>725180242
>>725180627
Linux users aren't a hivemind. Some people are freetards who won't let anything proprietary near their computer, some are more reasonable and only use proprietary software if there isn't a free equivalent, while some use it because it's a better, smoother experience than windows and gives you more power over your computer. I mostly fall into the latter 2 groups. I use Linux because it's better than windows, and I use Steam because it's a better experience than piracy.

>>725169698
Have a modicum of standard at the very least.

>>725180920
>>725181130
>>725181226
That's called a circular agument. You say that Valve hires shills, then, when asked for evidence or why they'd do that since they have no need to, you say it's because they care about their PR as evidenced by the shills they hired.

>>725181563
They're literally developing HL3 right now, and have been for 5 years since Alyx. What the fuck else do you want?

>>725180920
Totally.

>>725184534
Episode 3. The actual content. Not your alternate timeline HL3.

>>725182245
Because windows fucking sucks. Linux is superior in every single way except software compatibility, which isn't even the fault of Linux.
>without using emu
>>725183008
>runs everything natively
Why does that matter? Games run well on Linux. I don't really care what's happening under the hood.
>When it comes to steam you can just not use it and get a better experience pirating game from internet.
You can't. Steam offers a better experience.
>>725183113
>I also don't want to share a world with faggots like you and would rather end your life
No. I'd rather minimize how much I have to interact with faggots like (YOU). Just like how I'd rather minimize how much I have to interact with windows.

>>725184394
>Sweden
>Windows 10
You're lucky that Goat Simulator came from your country. Otherwise, we'd blanket it in thermite.

>>725180920
>lunatics make posts declaring Valve the antichrist and Steam malware
>people who actually use Steam make up the bulk of PC gamers
>facts are given
>lunatics call them shills for being honest

>>725158851
Nobody seethes over anyone claiming epic's free games, they seethe over timmy being an untrustworthy hypocrite who's too autistic to understand how to do anything right while trying to bring console cancer exclusivity to PC.

>>725184770
>You can't.
no you can't
that's probably the reason you are seething
you are too stupid to pirate games

>>725164767
It's not true because Gayben actually adheres to his quote.
>prioritize the consumer's experience and convenience with minimal fuckups or slights against said consumers
>consumers choose to use it
Woooooooow, it's so hard.

>>725185102
So pirate Space Marine 2 and tell me how the online play is.

>>725184667
Then you have Epistle 3 for that. I personally care more for the gameplay, so I'll be happy with HL3 regardless of story.

>>725184770
>Linux is superior in every single way except software compatibility
software compatibility is the only thing regular people care about

>>725185102
I can, and I do occasionally. Do you think I could survive on Linux if I couldn't move some files? I just don't typically because Steam is just better.

>>725185260
no, you are lying through your teeth to save valve's image
everyone knows about those yachts now

>>725185186
Maybe, but I don't need photoslop of office, so Linux gives me a better desktop experience. And software compatibility will change. Linux is only growing, and eventually adobe and even microsoft will have to put their shit on Linux or lose out on a significant part of their userbase.

>>725185336
why don't you linux cucks shill something useful for once like ipv6 instead of drm store

>>725185306
Nope. Linux is great, as is Valve for making it viable.
>those yachts
The ones used for research? Yeah, pretty based.

>>725185407
I'm dropping Steam today. What should I switch to? Nobody can seem to answer this.

>>725185450
yeah real people definitely talk like this
>based yacht based billionaire
lmao

>>725185503
Why do his yachts bother you?