Thread 725178437

WoW won
it's the undisputed King of MMOs and absolutely no other game even comes close

hes right, im all 9 million players

>>725178437 (OP)
OSRS bros... we lost

>>725178437 (OP)
>what if some random dude just...made some numbers up?

>>725178437 (OP)
After suing private servers recently (again) they just keep losing the real playerbase. No one wants to hop in retail to see chinkbots everywhere with gold buying ads all over the fucking chat while doing a quest for a gay fucking centaur as a feminized orc

>>725178437 (OP)
WoW has been and will always be the top dog in the MMO space.

>>725178437 (OP)
>some extra research

>>725178437 (OP)
How many of those are bots?

>>725178538
By all metrics we have yet to see WoW put out a CCU that even rivals OSRS. The only time it seems to happen is when an expansion launches and a few months after.

>>725178437 (OP)
>Bellular
More liek.... LELullar!

LMAO rekt
/thread

>>725178437 (OP)
>subscriber number
>people

>>725178437 (OP)
MoP feels as dead as ever even with the server merges. Calling bs on this one

This is delusional.
Maybe there are many people who subbed and forgot or died something like that and left their credit card auto-renewing because for there to be 9 million "players" would mean that 90+% of them are not leveling to max (aka play for a couple hours) or participating in any "end game activity" whatsoever

>>725178437 (OP)
Fake numbers

One simply has to log in and look at the server browser and current state of major cities to see the game is deader than ever outside of chinkland

No amount of scraping armory for M+ faggots and creating a spinjob that each M+ alt is a unique player is going to change that.

>>725181142
No one was going to play Mists of Daily Quests and weekly chores to relive the worst raids in the game's history.

>Log onto full server
>Run to main city auction house
>litterally no one there, just 2 people outside on transmog mounts

Just let it fucking die and move on, Ion and his glowie fag friends ruined the game and no amount of fake numbers is going to change a dead game

>>725181343
Yes people would rather play the clusterfuck that is retail right? That's why they are trying to unclusterfuck it in the next expansion

>log into "full" server
>only 11 people doing delves
>only 20 people doing M+

Not looking good Ion, maybe instead of blowing 100k on hiring a million jeet posters you should hire one D&D nerd from your local game shop to design a better dungeon than you have made in the past 2 decades of running this game into the fucking ground

>>725181584
no one is playing at all, but no one is especially going to touch Mists of Pandaria

>>725181297
>body type
>ability
>culture
I'm ok with those three.

>>725181818
mop has its fans just like every other extension.
never could understand why the fuck they thought adding pandarens was a good idea but whatever.

>>725178437 (OP)
>what if

damn that'd be crazy, anyways we already know they have nowhere near that

>>725182297
Pandaren are ironically not even the worst part of panda land, its the dogshit tier raids, welfare legendaries, terrible dungeons, and endless fucking daily reset mechanics injected into every aspect of the game where it doesn't belong. And don't get me started on the god awful class design. "B-but I liked how overpowered I was, I litterally couldn't die except to oneshot boss mechanics!"

>>725178437 (OP)
That's a common marketing tool, every single MMO says they have millions of subscribers/players, when in reality the active playerbase is a small fraction of that number.

>>725181343
The raids were good

>>725182297
Pandaren were a better addition than blood elves

>>725178437 (OP)
>there are 9 million troons and troon enablers on this planet
fucking GRIM

>>725183041
The raids were dogshit, you only thought they were good because it was the first time you could do them on pace with everyone else because of how piss easy they were.

>>725178437 (OP)
ok now remove the bots and the faggots playing old/meme versions like classic and remix and you've got a dead troonslop game

>>725178597
Thats 99% of player count statistics

Remember around when Classic was announced and someone ported the census addon (which gives extremely accurate playercounts on vanilla/tbc/wotlk servers) to retail and it showed that only like 20 or 30 thousand people were playing the game at the time and then Blizzard immediately blocked the API that census needed to work?

>>725178437 (OP)
I kind of regret never playing WoW considering how massive it was back in the day. Is the story as pozzed as /v/ says it is?

>>725184815
>Is the story as pozzed as /v/ says it is?
yes

That's funny.

>>725184815
wow barely has any story at all, especially vanilla.
it's a bunch of disjointed quests and the game tends to throw lore out the window to create cool moments.

>>725184815
Current retail wow yes.
>>725185129
Vanilla has a story, it's just not in your face with cinematics and more bullshit like the rest of the expansions.

>>725178437 (OP)
8.2 million of them are bots

>>725178437 (OP)
>what if shill website lied
Very suspicions indeed.

>>725178437 (OP)
>Bellular
A very trustworthy fella

>>725185520
What is the horde story in vanilla

>>725178437 (OP)
At least eight and a half million of those nine million subs has to be fucking bots.

>>725186673
>>725185632
we arent talking about classic
these numbers are driven by m+

>>725185520
>Vanilla has a story,
quests in vanilla were so busy telling you where to go there wasn't any space for plot.
what vanilla has is world building.

>>725186768
Alts
>B-but our assumptions
Litterally run out of content to do after 1 M+ run a week, M+ retards are alting 10+ characters

>>725181297
why are you posting some shit from like 8 years ago?

>>725186449
I rarely rolled horde, and when I did I didn't care enough.

>>725178437 (OP)
that's a lie

>>725179135
Pretty much. I used to play wow back in mist. The world seemed a bit disneyfied back then but whatever, the game was fun. But seeing what they’ve turned into I just don’t want to give them money. It’s not a shadow of its former self because that would imply they have the same shape except hollow. They’re a completely different company now. There’s nothing besides perhaps a few class designers coming up with cool stuff that I don’t hate

>>725178437 (OP)
>Add a dozen game versions, from classic to fucking legion
Of coursethey would get a boost

>>725187334
Yeah, no shit.

>>725187156
No reason, just a reminder that modern blizzard are a bunch of disingenuous retards and people defending Ion are the most retarded people on this earth.

life time subscribers not players in the game currently

>>725178437 (OP)
>9 million players
yeah and runescape has over 300 million when you use the same metric
what is your point?

If their numbers weren't bad they would reveal them.
They don't reveal their numbers.
Ergo their numbers are bad.

>>725187052
schizoid cope

>>725178437 (OP)
Blizzard can't fabricate numbers because investors would have grounds for a lawsuit, so they bribe journalists to do it. If one party gets caught, the other can just claim ignorance.

>>725187519
if theyre retards what does that say about every other developer that WoW is still crushing the MMO market?

>>725184789
wow players mix up concurrent and total all the time and have for years
they seem to think when wow had "10 million subs" that it meant there was 10 million people on at once all the time when it was never the case.
wow has never been as big as these people think it has been, when you look at games that have incredibly transparent player data, likes valves stuff, you can compare it to something like dota, that at its peak had 80 million unique monthly users and only had like 900k concurrent.

wow at its absolute peak was like a 100k concurrent player game. and that is very generous.

>>725187779
They're crushing the MMO market just like they're crushing the RTS market, in that there isn't one.

MMO is a dead genre, and WOWfags killed it

>>725187916
Wow is not a top 3 mmo

>>725186049
TWW was decent.

>>725187916
WoW is the only thing keeping it alive

>>725178437 (OP)
We'd find out how Blizzard managed to indoctrinate millions of normoids that still somehow keep their sub running even though they only show up to a new xpac for 10 minutes. WoW becoming a social phenomenon was one of the biggest downfalls of the game. Somehow they still have players but it's probably something close to 10k active for each game type. How people even enjoy wasting hours pushing M+ or doing 300+ pulls in mythic raid over weeks of time is beyond me.

>>725187819
Nah, if you played back then you saw players everywhere, even when the game was 'dead' during the content drought of WOTLK there were more players.

You go to any major city now on a "full" server and you won't see anyone. No matter what anyone says, the game is deader than ever, either by design (phasing), or because there just isn't anyone actually playing it.

I'm only concerned about arena in tbc anniversary, if I can consistently play against different players I'm fine, since I only need my guild to do pve anyway

>>725188036
>You go to any major city now on a "full" server and you won't see anyone
because people dont use WoW as a psuedo chatroom and afk in the game all day, they can do that in discord now
theres also way more actual content than Wrath, which had nothing to fucking do and led to afking

>>725188036
its cause everyone is in the newest city

>>725178437 (OP)
More than 9 million if you believe that number. That was before various new activity that would have let to a surge in subscribers. This also doesn't count the Chinese, as there was no WoW in China at the time that the numbers were announced due to a licensing dispute. And somehow these faggots can justify having virtually no customer support or QA whatsoever.

>>725188457
Because no one is playing the game and op is ai slop citing a YouTuber

>>725178437 (OP)
>9 million players
all me by the way (all farm bot accounts)

>>725181171
>because for there to be 9 million "players" would mean that 90+% of them are not leveling to max (aka play for a couple hours) or participating in any "end game activity" whatsoever
What end game activity specifically? I play heavily, have well over a dozen alts at 80, but I never raid or do M+. My endgame is in Delves. I'm also spending a lot of time in Remix. Many players spend their time in Classic or SoD.

>>725178437 (OP)
Okay
>the most popular retard in a group of retards

>>725188505
The YouTuber cited numbers from Blizzard, and then cited actual statistics to back up the argument.

>>725188539
>Many players spend their time in Classic or SoD.
L O L

>>725188539
>spending a lot of time in Remix
Dont know why. The last phase is on the 18th so there is no reason to play until then. Try hard exploiters will carry everyone through the raids for the final cosmetic regalia.

if they did have 9 million subs why wouldn't they announce it?

>>725188409
>>725188451
>/who all the current dungeons and raids and city
>less than 40 people
Jeet... y u gotta lie so much?

>>725188620
>REEEEE
>YOU HAVE TO PLACE POORFAG GREAT VALUE UO OR TROONSLOP PRIVATE SERVERS, CHUD!
>>725188721
>Dont know why.
Because it is fun to have a laid back experience with random people.

>>725181017
All 9 million

>>725188746
Because that makes them liable to investment fraud

>>725188746
They did, that's where the number comes from.

>>725188776
never happened

>>725188776
>what's morning
A real american abominacion here. lmao. I think you'd kill yourself if you saw dorn on tuesday.

>>725189068
I don't think blizzard themselves revealed the 9 million sub number

>>725189219
nvm it looks like they revealed it in an inadvertent way

>>725189219
>I don't think blizzard themselves revealed the 9 million sub number
It was in an official trailer.

>>725181091
LoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoL

>>725184815
The entire current expansion was stupid male leader is stupid and gets replaced by super smart female. It happened over and over and over and I'm not exaggerating. It's fucking awful.

>>725189785
nobody cares nor has ever cared about the story in WoW

https://lorelol.ytmnd.com/

>>725186449
Adventurer helps people across the whole of Azeroth like a good RPG should be. It's not fucking required to have a big fucking bad on the cover to sell to retards like you. You can have a living fuckibg world that you're a part of. Fuck I hate you so much

>>725184815
Less pozzed than it was in Dragonflight. Still very pozzed, looks to continue being pozzed. The story isn't really the draw with WoW though, it never was. This is the game where most people famously never read the quest text to begin with. Arguably the writing was at its best in Vanilla when there was no overarching story, just a lot scattered questlines, some of which had subtle ties to each other.

>>725184815
>Is the story as pozzed as /v/ says it is?
The previous king of Stormwind's son is a useless twink and is being groomed to be husband to a black, half elf/half human, blind, armless OC.

>>725189881
>i got every npc 6 bears asses and i liked it
questing in wow sucks.

>>725189975
So go fuck an anime girl in whatever gaxha slop passes for an mmo today and leave us boomers the fuck alone.

>>725178437 (OP)
>go to twitch
>check what wow looks like now days
>still same grind
>still same rotations
>still same design in dungeons
>now more disney
>less animation
>more gay
>less masculinity
>more political correct
>less of a game
That's fine they have 9 million players. Not sure if they are all really players and not bots, or inflated numbers.


>9 million players paying money for subs and mount/cosmetics AND paid expansion
>still the game looks trash
Heh. I sure hope people are having fun there.

>>725189881
>Adventurer helps people across the whole of Azeroth
this isnt a story
>You can have a living fuckibg world
Vanilla is a sterile dead world, nothing living about it

>go on r34
>search "world_of_warcraft"
>takes over a week for a page's worth of (non AI spam) content to get uploaded

nah it's dead as fuck

Damn this thread really made /v/ seethe lol. Sorry guys, all your doomposting about WoW was 100% wrong and unfounded. Turns out people still enjoy the best MMO ever made.

>>725186049
jesus... imagine looking like that and putting your face out there as if anyone would want to see it lol. disgusting

WoW players deserve to be treated like the cattle that they are

>>725190114
Ok so fuck off and play something else. Fucking hell. What do you even want? It's comfy as fuck for me because it's not posted to fuck. I can't fucking stomach retail because it's fucking aids ridden jewish slop. If you just hate wow all together instead then ehat the fuck are you even doing in this thread? Go play something you do like then talk about that. Fucking hell. Or better yet go read z novel, that's nothing but story for you. Fucking retard.

>>725179135
You are not a ”real player”. You are an adult that should be bettering the world for your progeny instead of complaining how the childrens game from your childhood is not the same as it as 20 years ago.

>>725178597
Telling lies on the internet?
Get out of here.

>still dungeon-focused
mmm yes
gay

>>725190359
>Ok so fuck off and play something else.
Nope not gonna let you have your gay boomer circlejerk by making stuff up
>It's comfy as fuck for me because
you have a learning disability
>I can't fucking stomach retail because
you cant handle mechanics with actual depth
thats all it ever comes down to, classic players are lightyears behind in skill and literally not capable of playing retail
>If you just hate wow all together
never said anything like that, Im just telling you vanilla WoW was shallow dogshit and youre lying to yourself and others

>>725178437 (OP)
I wouldn't mind trying WoW again, but all my old character names are taken by inactive accounts. Maximum gay.

>>725181048
this nigga thinks osrs concurrent isn't 80% bots and most botted mmo award

>>725190976
You will die alone, and in pain. Enjoy your pozzed faggotry.

>>725191205
Im good actually
helps to not be a subhuman who skill caps at molten core

>>725178597
>some random dude
Bellular isn't some random dude, he's the most hardcore wow shill that was defending the game even during the wow exodus to xiv/gw2/whatever

>>725191342
blatantly not true
he doesnt even play WoW and he helped shill his fat boyfriends XIV channel

>>725191410
I've never seen a Bellular video that said anything negative about WoW, even the updates everyone hated.

>>725188005
>second worst expansion after shadowlands
>doesn't feel like warcraft again at all (except for shit writing)
I dunno

>>725191515
fuck off bellular Im not giving your channel traffic to prove this wrong

>>725191342
>he not a random dude
>he is a random dude that plays wow
Incredible.

>>725191551
not
1. being a raidlog simulator
2. having AP grinding
automatically puts it above any expansion that fits either

>what if thing was actually 20x as popular
It's not. And it shouldn't be. The entire point of the game was to be a social environment and they have consistently done everything possible to prevent socializing. People had to make fucking addons to help get around this but then everyone just gave up, moved to discord and realized playing the game served no purpose.
Stop censoring communication.

When you are so afraid of people talking about the evil shit you do you do more and more evil shit trying to stop them, you need to just fucking stop. You are only hastening your demise.

its 90% millenials 30+ anon

we started with wow

>>725178597
He is paid by Blizzard so this is investor fraud.

>>725192053
>The entire point of the game was to be a social environment
the point of the game was to be a game you fucking retard
nobody is going to pay $15 a month + expansions for a chat room with less features than discord, it only worked back when you were a kid and teamspeak/vent were the cutting edge

>>725192325
>nobody is going to pay $15 a month + expansions for a chat room with less features than discord
>he doesnt know about goldshire

>>725192372
goldshire is mostly f2p accounts and is only populated on a single fucking server

>>725181048
Runescape overtook WoW a month into Battle for Azeroth and that was like 8 years ago.

>>725178437 (OP)
>9million
But in Bots and Multiboxers because i havent seen a living soul in that garbage on par with diablo 4

>>725191342
He is literally on Blizzard's payroll as Preach was years ago

>>725191774
>not
>1. being a raidlog simulator
pffft
>2. having AP grinding
Even casuals are crying it has too much grind compared to precious expansion with delve shit, turbo boosts, and great vault

>>725191551
>second worst expansion after shadowlands
It's the best and most fun expansion.

>>725192614
It's all chinks on chink servers so it's no wonder you never see anyone.

>>725192720
>It's all chinks on chink servers so it's no wonder you never see anyone.
The 9 million number didn't include chinks because they didn't have access to WoW at the time.

>>725178437 (OP)
>9 million people play WoW
1 million chinese
7.9 million bots
100k real people

>>725184216
WoW has so much retarded shit wrong with it. What purpose does trying to make shit up that everyone disagrees with serve?

>>725192702
>Even casuals are crying
people who dont play the game dont get to comment on the game

>>725191551
>second worst expansion after shadowlands
That was faggotflight though.

>>725192795
It does, the 9 million number is self-reported by blizzard from july 2025. The number that didn't account for chink was 7 million from a gdc panel, again self-reported. Personally I have a lot questions about the legitimacy of those numbers, considering they aren't from investor quarterly reports therefore blizzard has no obligation to tell the truth.

I want to play an MMORPG so bad bros, but I just can't go back to the humiliation ritual that is WoW. WTF do I do?

>>725193938
>considering they aren't from investor quarterly reports therefore blizzard has no obligation to tell the truth.
Not sure that's accurate.

>>725194020
They also aren't advertisement.
Nobody is going to check either way.

>>725194012
Wait for mihoyo mmo and riot mmo

>>725189975
I spent years collecting bare asses in WoW and it was the best time of my life. A lot of people feel this way which is why they hate to see what it became. It could be fixed so easily but it would still take years to regain any kind of trust from people.

>>725194152
>Wait for chinkshit MMO or vaporware MMO

>>725190556
>children's game
>average age of playerbase is 40
This is exactly the disconnect that let Blizzard destroy the game.

>>725192325
The game serves like any other social event, something to fill the silences and bring like minded people together.
Like fucking cards. People used to play cards because it was a good excuse to get together. Blizzard makes a card game and you can't even communicate to the other player. Nobody who has played cards in their life thinks this is acceptable.

>>725191551
nothing is worse than wod and the borrowed power trilogy (legion, bfa, sl)
those were truly the dark times of wow

>>725190976
>mechanics with actual depth
kek

>>725190976
>classic players are lightyears behind in skill and literally not capable of playing retail
I play both and this is true. The average skill level in classic is terrifying. I'm convinced a large portion of classic players do it because they're too unskilled for retail.
However it's fine to play for something else than pure challenge, maybe you should open up a little.

>>725189975
Menial tasks like 'collect bear asses' is fine in a videogame if the combat is actually fun. The bear ass collecting is just direction.

>>725190556
>He has a good argument about why the game is shit
>lemme do a personal attack PEOPLE SMART ENOUGH TO NOTICE HOW LAME STUFF IS SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING GAMES
>that'll get him, whew, I wouldn't want corporations doing social propaganda to have anyone notice it in public and complain

>Bellular
This irish pedophile has never been correct on a single thing relating to WoW. He's the Tyler McNigger of World of Warcraft with baseless speculation.

>>725178437 (OP)
>king of a pile of shit
cogratulations, I guess

>>725191342
his 'research' must be very unbiased then!

>>725186449
Settling a new civilization in a harsh frontier, bonding with different races who are all united by being beaten down in the world.

>9 million players!
Yeah bro. Sure.

>>725178437 (OP)
>9 million
Only if you add up all the subscribers from the two dozen classic variants with retail.
How many people really still play retail?

>>725197832
I know, right!?

>>725186449
The main horde story, the orc story in particular, is about the leader of the horde keeping the horde together and dealing with orc traitors who are working for various demon and dragon cults. You get a lot of this in the starting zone, you see a little in the barrens, you do some quests to route out the demon cult living under orgrimmar. The blackrock spire dungeon is a part of that and so is the ony raid.
Hordes story is arguably the weakest between horde and alliance.

For alliance the story is that Onyxia is corrupting stormwind leadership, the defias are rebels who are rebelling against stormwind because of onyxia. All the early quests about dealing with defias or gnolls or mulrocs overrunning the area because the guards are having trouble dealing with everything is because the armies of stormwind are sent away or being purposefully mismanaged because of onyxias influence. The quests from alliance deal with the problems onyxia has created throughout multiple zones and they culminate with the onyxia raid.

>>725202072
the onyxia questline is pretty much the only story in vanilla, and it's alliance only.
everything else is world building crumb.

>>725202072
Im not even a story or lore fag but i picked this up. The alliance story is good and you get an actual eurka type moment when it is revealed Ony was behind everything. Honestly i think (vanilla) WoW has one of the best stories in an MMO. I dont think the story is the main appeal to a lot of gamers, i think that wows story not being so in your face is one reason a lot of people like the game, and i think the devs who write stories for games probably have a hard time wrapping their head around that concept.

>>725194012
Old School Runescape

>>725179135
Here king your crown.

>>725194012
>WTF do I do?
You fight Oryx, son

>9mill
where the fuck are the 9mill players??????????? am I shadowbanned and I can't see them or what?

>Game has the sexiest female characters ever
>It sells well
Who could have guessed?

>>725178437 (OP)
it's dead in the water
but believe what you want

>>725203241
post exalts

>>725203390
the one good thing about the disney-fied models is that tyrande became cuter

>>725194012
OSRS now or wait for maplestory classic whenever the gooks feel like printing infinite money.

>>725203743
Such a goddess. Every female nelf is gorgeous.

>>725178437 (OP)
9 million is actually really low. Before Dawntrail (lol) even FFXIV had 40,000,000. no idea what it's at now. But I know WoW was around 120,000,000 a few years before that.

>>725204507
amen brother

>>725202072
>>725202275
>>725202324
A LOT of EQ vanilla including whole Onyxia thing was designed by people who looked at some of the EverQuest quests/storylines. You'll remember the long as fuck Blackrock Depths maze dungeon and how there's a long chain to eventually unlock the necklace "key" that lets you into the Onyxia raid? Many parts are solo, some parts require a BRD capable group for a special event with the jailbreak etc.. but it unveils the entire thing you've been seeing built up over the Alliance leveling areas affected by Stormwind's influence and now you see who was manipulating things. Its surprisingly well done in both the story and mechanics and it all comes from one of the best things about EQ, the story/quests and level design.

>>725178437 (OP)
wow classic is so much fun

>>725179135
>chinkbots everywhere with gold buying ads
Nigger you just described fucking vanilla lmao

>>725187156
>>725187519
>No reason, just a reminder that modern blizzard
Also made by kings, Blizzard had nothing to do with that shit lmao
You're such a dumb retarded nigger

>>725206408
>made by King, a branch of Activision Blizzard King
>Designed for Overwatch characters
come on jeet, at least try double digit IQ next time

>wow has 900 billion zillion subs!
>can I see the proof?