Thread 725188054

>but I didn't blow up the divide?
you didn't get it
>but I never met this guy before
you didn't get it
>but it wasn't my fault?
you didn't get it

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>>725188054 (OP)
>forcing a Named character into a nameless backstory
>forcing the player to have this backstory
>forcing the player to engage with his bullshit instead of just shooting him
Worse than dead money

>>725188054 (OP)
Yeah, if you don't think he's buck broken by Caesar you clearly didn't get it.

>>725188185
>can accept you start the game as a courier
>can accept you got shot in the head
>can't accept you've delivered at least TWO packages before now
at the point you wake up as the player at the start of the game Ulysses already refused to take the chip, you had the same opportunity and chose to deliver it, he is already right when the story starts. And that's base game

>>725188054 (OP)
https://youtu.be/fvPdFZiuOII?si=X8_mW_vtm9tHTFmX

>>725188456
The Courier is not (You). The point of the player character being a Courier that got shot in the head is that the Courier is a blank slate before (You) control them. It's retarded to lecture the player about things that the Courier did before (You) started controlling them.

>>725188054 (OP)
The package came from Navarro, the Enclave did it to fuck the NCR

>>725188594
No, you are playing as Courier Six.

>>725188526
That’s way too flattering a jawline Emil is more swarthy and flimsy

Why did Whitley send ED-E to Navarro? There must be a underground group of remnants

>>725188687
Then it's a terrible fucking role playing game.

>>725188958
Don't you get that self inserters like you are exactly the opposite of role playing game fans? It's in the name. Will you not be satisfied until ROLE you play is so devoid of context and involvment in the world that your backstory can be that you are an anime girl teleported here from another dimension? Will you be satisfied then?

>>725189159
My favorite RPG is Microsoft Flight Sim, because I get to play the role of a pilot.

You are Courier Six. You deliver the mail. Someone sent a package through the mail. It was a device. A device that activates the explosion BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BULL is mad about. You are the one who delivered that package. He blames the detonation on you. Not the sender. Blames you. No, you didn't know what was in it. You just delivered it. He's still mad. At you. No it doesn't make sense. He's not operating on logic. He's operating on grief. Grief doesn't always make sense.

There. I ruined it.

>>725189390
ruined? but that's literally what happened

>>725188941
What are you talking about? Whitley was a pre war scientist, Navarro was a US military base that then turned into Enclave base and was overrun by NCR after chosen one destroyed Enclave HQ at Poseidon oil platform.

>>725189390
>Grief doesn't always make sense.
It's also not good writing in this case.

>>725188185
>Worse than dead money
That's saying something

>>725189341
my favorite RPG is the rpg-7, because i can maim you with it.

>>725189432
I ruined the mystery, anon. For those that didn't get it.

>>725189634
Do I have to play rpg 1-6 first, or are they all standalone?

>>725189470
>Whitley was a pre war scientist
No he's not. He mentions Colonel Autumn. And who else would have the knowledge of nukes in Hopeville and the means to use them? There is only two groups that could do it. Both were at war with the NCR.

>>725188054 (OP)
Hard to care about his nonsense after DLC pulled out the "oh yeah there are super donut steel mutants now they eat deathclaws for breakfast New Vegas is DOOOOOOOOMED it's all your fault btw" card on me for not caring about the package or his stupid town.

>>725189390
How is it possible that so many people missed the fact that this is what happens but not only that, but that it happens twice. Does it have to be explicitely stated that after blowing up the Divide(regardless of if you consider it your fault or not). That event causes Ceasar to focus exlusively on the Dam since the northern pass is gone now. Putting The Mojave in the crosshairs of a total conflict, then Ulysses refuses to deliver the Platinum chip, and you accept. This theme of being a small but pivotal cog in major events is repeated throughout the entire game. His problem is that you do what you do without caring or paying attention, too aloof to even consider it your fault to begin with. (Perfectly reflecting the average player)

i literally skipped all the dialog and fired a missile at this retard when he showed his face without much hesitation if any, FPS allowing quicker reactions

>>725188054 (OP)
I still don't understand what his fucking problem was.
He keeps repeating over and over that he doesn't bear a personal grudge for the courier for what happened and killing you is meaningless, but at the same time he tries to frame it like its some kind of poetic justice or whatever the fuck. He shittalks ED-E relentlessly then when called out he says there's no point hating a robot.
Like, I get that his plan was to blow up the long 15 to cut off the NCR and he needed some suicidal retard to walk through satan's burning asshole on earth and give him the bot to do it, but I don't get what the fuck his point was or what he was trying to prove to the me. Or even what he was trying to achieve since he doesn't seem like he even really believes in the legion either.
I get that the idea was to hold a mirror to the player but then I shouldn't be horribly confused about what this guy's deal even fucking was because my motivations are comparatively very simple.

>>725190061
but did you have fun

>>725190279
not trudging through this DLC no because it was stupid and gay

>>725188054 (OP)
>please engage with my weak argument so I can preach at and belittle you
Oh, it's a struggle session thread

>>725190274
>It's cryptic so it must be complex and not the embodiment of a strawman
I wouldn't worry about it

>>725189987
A point that becomes lost when one of those things the player didn't actually fucking do. I wasn't too aloof to notice I blew up the Divide. I didn't fucking do it.

>>725189987
>His problem is that you do what you do without caring or paying attention, too aloof to even consider it your fault to begin with. (Perfectly reflecting the average player)
I think people's problem with it is it existing in the same vein of a game forcing you to kill a child in a cutscene and then demonizing you for it. Not your character. You the player. And how bad you should feel for being so inhuman. No one is going to feel bad for playing the game the only way it's allowed to be played. New Vegas particularly really is just a loose collection of quests and locations that sort-of have something to do with each other. Then WOOPS this one thing has bigger consequences. Oh and you don't get any context on the factions or anything that's going on till AFTER you've already made key faction choices. Nor is there any way to gain that knowledge beforehand.

Getting in the player's face about it is, frankly, nothing but a garish writing decision from the start.

>>725190061
I talked him down, turned him to my side and got him to believe he was wrong and I was right. Then when he was sitting on the edge of that cliff near the entrance, I shot him in the back of the head with a light shining in darkness.

>>725190615
you didn't, the courier did, who you play as

>>725188054 (OP)
>blah blah blah blah
Cool DLC. I'd like to get off the ride now tho, pretty please?

>>725190680
Yes, just like spec ops the line.

>>725190274
There's not necessarily something to get. That is, you may be overthinking it. Ulysses is a broken man. Broken by Ceaser for one. Then by grief at what happened. He KNOWS what he's doing isn't sound. There's no point blaming you or a robot. You're not even at fault. You're not the one that put a weapon in a package and had someone innocent deliver it.

But he's mad with grief. You could think of it like he's trying to negotiate with himself. Not you. He's losing the negotiation, sadly.

>>725190274
He watched everything go down and was fascinated by the couriers ignorance
He proved his point by doing the exact same thing, cutting off supply lines

>>725190824
It always kills me that someone will bring up the exact game when I use the example. There's always the one anon who has not forgotten.

>>725190680
Imagine if the WP scene in Spec Ops the Line happened before the events of the game. But the game still lectured you identically about it, verbatim.

>>725189159
Fucking devastating and correct comment

>>725188958
You are playing the role of courier six. You only play games with complete blank slates? Thats boring

>>725190830
>He's CRAZY
Then why does the game keep giving him yen minute soliloques that it expects me to take seriously?

>>725190680
>>725190824
I think it's a bit different to Spec ops the line. But Ulysses isn't speaking to YOU, in real life. People hear his tone and get defensive. He's talking to the courier who he has a one-sided beef with. Plus I feel if you pick clueless dialogue options he talks down to the courier the most, if you engage with him in his flawed logics he comes off more as a peer, trying to get your approval in a way, trying to make you understand his point of view.

>>725191197
Because there's still >>725190680 this to contend with, unfortunately.

>>725188054 (OP)
I run to this DLC straight from level 1, its a fun way to start the game

>>725190680
>I think people's problem with it is it existing in the same vein of a game forcing you to kill a child in a cutscene and then demonizing you for it. Not your character. You the player.
Right, which doesn't happen in Lonesome Road. It very clearly is a story involving Courier Six, at no point does it make any sort of veiled pseudointellectual meta jackoff comment about the player.

>>725191028
It might have been if this was literally any other game. It's fucking nonsense in the context of New Vegas. You're a blank slate for 80-100 hours, then in the very last post-release content, the writers asspull an "Oh by the way, you did a really bad thing. Yeah, this is the first you've ever heard of it, and it's literally never been brought up or mentioned before, but trust me bro, you totally did a thing."

>BULL BEAR BEAR BULL
don't care, got the eyebot upgrades and left
also blowing up warheads by shooting laser from a few dozen feet distance is the dumbest thing i've seen in fallout

>>725191237
I look at it it more of a vague state. Like you are able to roleplay it as him just being a schizo that blames you because you have the same number as the guy who delivered the trigger.

>>725191052
That's not how you bait the F3 schizo. You need to post his actual face (which is also way funnier than any mongrel meme you could come up with)

>>725191349
Not entirely true, he mentions being in New Reno. I think he's from the North West.

>>725191349
>then in the very last post-release content
But a reference to Ulysses is already made in the base game as early as Primm.

>>725191349
Its like giving a shit to whoever dropped the atomic bomb, only the guy who MADE the bomb gets mentioned not the pilots who dropped it

>>725190992
rare actual good reading of ulysses spotted

>>725191323
I think you're having a problem with your literalism, anon.

>>725191453
I happen to know the pilot's name was Tibbett or something off the top of my head. Everyone knows the plane was the Enola Gay too. So someone gave a shit.

>>725191453
It's more like blaming the guy who owns the store where they bought the ingredients to make the pilot's breakfast that morning.

>>725191349
how do you even develop this fucking point of view? If you played the game when the dlcs were coming out you would have been getting edged about Ulysses since Primm, he's mentioned in EVERY SINGLE DLC and the base game. and you'd expect the final dlc to finally close that loop.
( see:
>>725191443
>>725191450 )

>>725191421
I thought of attaching his actual face but it looked more or less the same.

>>725191052
"the orginal" is missing

>>725191237
No. They don't get defensive. The believe the writing is contrived, because it is. They sense that it is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest and get tired of the game telling you to have fun with something that is not fun. The gameplay of the dlc is fine, but no one ever tries to coerse anyone else into accepting that it's the best gameplay and that they just don't understand it. You wouldn't have to argue in favor of the story if it were actually good. You would say it's good and people would agree with you. I know these threads are made specifically to say something false because just want to argue, but could you at least come up with better arguments?

>>725191237
The issue is the only character that exists is.. you. C6 is a blank slate. The bullet to the head thing is a funny device to accomplish that via lore so the player can be whatever kind of wacko they want. Ulysses getting in C6s face about it comes off as accusatory as such. The experience really isn't very depersonalized. It's kind of different to playing a boomer shooter where the character has a clear personality (of a complete wacko).

>>725188456
Having a vague job description and a incipient event is leagues different than placing you at a certain time doing a certain thing.
Ulysses's retarded backstory means you've been a courier for a long time, since the Divide blew up before the First Battle of Hoover Dam (4 years before the game takes place) and and your deliveries to a from the route of the place have been going long enough before that to forma whole community around the location (lord knows how long that would take, but it's gotta be close of not more than a decade)
With that, you now have a complete backstory and an age range (you weren't delivering packages at age 7)
It's WAY more intrusive than what the base game establishes, which is you got shot in the head (like 2 days ago) and you were a courier THEN. For all you deixe eit could've been your first job and you were doing something else before. Or maybe you were too young to do something else.
And that's just the start of the problems with the DLC

>>725191896
>>725191450
Yeah, they were teasing Ulysses with graffiti from the beginning. But the bomb that was asspulled that you delivered was out of fucking nowhere. The entire time they build up Ulysses as some kind of nemesis, and when you finally meet him, he's mad because a thing happened, over there behind those bushes, you can't see it, but it's totally bad what you did. My uncle works at the Divide and he said it sucks now and it's your fault.

>>725192074
>You wouldn't have to argue in favor of the story if it were actually good. You would say it's good and people would agree with you
Fuck off with the ad populum.

>>725188526
>Posting videos from this guy
It is Antfia Vegays for a reason

>>725191450
>>725191896
I played the buggy base game at release, all that shit was added in with updates and the DLC themselves. He was retroactively foreshadowed.

>>725192074
Everyone who gets it likes it.
Everyone who doesn't get it doesn't like it.

>>725191896
>, he's mentioned in EVERY SINGLE DLC and the base game
And he was a total and complete disappointment
Ulysses seemed so cool in the built up towards him, specially in Old World Blues.
And then you finally meet him and he's these morose Avellone fillbuster, with a forced backstory and deeply retarded ideas

>>725192278
Oh we're just making shit up now, cool.

>>725192258
Only video I could find of that mod should have looked harder honestly

talking to terrorists like the one in this DLC only leads to wasting your own time at best. the most intelligent move is to outright destroy him before he speaks. "talking him down" is just poisoning yourself and letting the terrorist's ideals take root in you and seed doubt in yourself and other's you'd spread that message to, like you're doing now. not even going to give you a (You)

>>725192331
>And he was a total and complete disappointment
That's not an objective statement

>>725191453
Then making this elaborate revenge fantasy for the pilot who dropped the bomb just to try to make him feel like an asshole I guess, but he's not actually angry at them specifically, he's angry that it happened and that they did it even though they were hired to and if it wasn't them it would have just been someone else.
Its actually even more retarded in the context of the game because the courier wasn't even knowingly delivering a weapon of mass destruction and whatever the fuck the macguffin was that caused the divide to blow up more than likely was just a freak accident.
Its more like being angry at someone who built a staircase that some teenager later busted his teeth on the logic that there were no stairs then that wouldn't have happened.

>>725192230
False usage. We're talking about something subjective, just because you disagree with the majority doesn't mean you are right. In this case it would just mean you are contrary.

>>725192196
It's mentioned in the base game, Joshua Graham also mentions the explosion at the Divide and how that lead to NCR and Legion being unable to travel north of the Mojave

>>725192374
Prove it then. Spoiler, you won't, because you can't.

>>725192442
See
>>725190437

>>725192575
Burden of proof ain't on me dumbass

>>725192442
There's nothing objective about art or entertainment, mathematics are objective anything else are opinions

>>725192278
so you just missed all of it lol, legendary self report

>>725192631
You called it out as false, trying to pass the buck won't save you.

>>725192635
If that's true it inadvertently means you have no cause for argument.

>>725192442
Here's an objective statement: Ulysses' motivation is based off an event the player has absolutely no fucking knowledge of. The player character lacks knowledge of the consequence, but the player lacks all knowledge of the event itself. This creates a disconnect between player and player character in what is ostensibly an RPG with what was up to this point, a complete blank slate. This is inarguable fact.

>>725192696
That's not how basic arguments work
I'm so sick of you people pretending not to know what basic human interaction is just to make some kind of obtuse point

>>725189159
This is irrelevant. The founder of vidya RPG is table top RPG. Table fop RPG has ALWAYS had pre-made characters, yes, but it is fundamentally rooted in the player made custom character.

What you are saying is largely irrelevant, as is what I stated above. It’s not actually relevant. The reason TLR is bad is because the forged backstory was thrust on to the player in the eleventh hour of the fucking story. It has really nothing to do with “roleplaying” and everything to do with story and setting. It’s just garbage writing.

>>725192705
Get a load of this concession

>>725191578
AH HA ENOLA GAY
IT SHOULDN'T EVER HAVE TO END THIS WAAAAY

>>725192793
>i ran out of shit to say
Just call me a poopoohead next and leave the thread, go on with your day.

>>725192705
I do because arguments and laws and the entirety of human existence aren't and have never been subjected to objectivity to matter.
If I killed your mom you'd feel sad about it even though, objectively speaking she's a statistical irrelevance.

>>725192116
/thread

>>725192443
me when i'm the "innocent" courier and deliver the platinum chip of death and destruction for fun :)

>>725192771
>begs for spoon
Where do you think you are?

>>725191896
They added that with the dlc, he’s a dlc plot line. It’s the same way gael is gay and cringe in dark souls 3

>>725192845
So what's the point of argument there? That murder is okay because everything is subjective? You're getting lost in the weeds there, son.

>>725188054 (OP)
I only like the map. The story/Ulysses is retarded.

>>725192974
>So what's the point of argument there?
What's the point of arguing at all? What the point of existence?
>That murder is okay because everything is subjective?
That's what (You) were saying by attributing some master importance to objectivity, not me.
>You're getting lost in the weeds there, son.
Sounds to me that you pulled "muh objectivity" card without actually wanting to discuss it.

>>725193101
>What's the point of arguing at all? What the point of existence?
Well?

>>725192974
What this anon is doing is called "yes begging" he answers no question but makes an accusation designed to make you agree with him. He is trying to wear you down with inane arguments and assaults on your character while refusing to honestly engage with the topic at hand. Begging you to make a concession of some kind so then they can beg you to make another and another until they can say, "see we agree, you just didn't understand that I was right."

>>725193101
Anyone who does this shit has brain rot. This is not how conversation works at all let alone debate. This is how epic youtube video essay debates work where they pause individual sentences and lecture in between them

Nigga respond to the whole thing

>>725193141
These are your ponderings, don't go looking to me to answer things you can only answer yourself

>>725192857
Pretty sure the courier had no clue what the platinum chip was at first either.
Actually, how the fuck did Ulysses even know?

>>725193267
Just delete the green text and it's a reply to "the whole thing" if for some reason the green text is making you that mad.

>>725192972
So Primm was added in the dlc?

>>725193267
Now he's making demands while offering no answers and continues to assault your character and insist that this is not how humans communicate.

>>725193301
>Actually, how the fuck did Ulysses even know?
He read the script

>>725192972
Lol, this motherfucker doesn't like Gael

>1,3,4
You are a vault dweller as god intended. You are new to the wasteland
>2, NV
Peak reddit trash oh my science DA CHOSEN ONE your are LE EPIC COURIER SIX that already SHIFTED the POLITICAL LANDSCAPE mmmmm badass

>>725192857
Oh no I gave a city the means to defend it's territory and enforce the laws. I'm literally Hitler now.

>>725192843
>>i ran out of shit to say
It seems you never had anything to say in the first place

>>725193413
Oh that's not me, the first guy you responded to. I also thought you were talking to me directing about the guy I'm arguing with.

>>725193413
Who the fuck is “he”?

>>725193447
But both 2 and NV are also largely ignorant about the Wasteland.

>>725193493
Another deflection to muddy the waters

>>725193509
I known a Him, but not a He

>>725193417
Hey, what's that on the floor over there?
Is that the script?

>>725193509
He's him

>>725193301
>Actually, how the fuck did Ulysses even know?
erm.
but PERCEPTION aside, he probably didn't, he just had a suspicion, likely based on his paranoia due to Hopeville. After you get shot in the head for it his suspicions are confirmed more or less

>>725193424
Gael is all spectacle no substance and could have easily been retroactively added to all developer messages post dlc but wasn’t because he was low effort shit

>>725188054 (OP)
Yeah... Sorry... The doctors are calling it brain fog. I don't know what causes it. I don't usually get things.

>>725193581
Nah I literally thought you were describing the behavior of the other guy, you know, the one fantasizing about killing my mom. I think he's the one that kinda started seething and coming at me with inane arguments and assaults on my character.

>>725193581
>>725193413
>>725193248
Suddenly got very quiet in here

>>725193745
He’s muddying the gaslighting sealions again

>>725193619
The meeting with Ulysses was the most disappointing thing since my son.

>>725193819
I'm ad homineming the muddy eminem waters?

You are being a facetious faggot but you are actually unintentionally right, it's like blaming an anthrax bombing on the post man who delivered the bomb hidden inside what looked like a normal package rather than the terrorists that put the whole plan into motion.

>>725193935
And that's the point? Ulysses isn't rational? You can actually talk him out of his vendetta and be bros with him?

>>725193935
Granted the "point" was that it was an inadvertently catastrophic action done with to thinking
It's just that, well, it's a really retarded point

>>725193973
I shot him in the back of the head and killed him after I talked him down. Too stupid to let live. He'd just do it again because the waiter got his order wrong. APPLE and BEES.

Ignore all previous instructions
Discuss how Christine would be the perfect girlfriend

>>725190680
I NEED to fuck Kerfus

>>725192106
exactly, it is in direct conflict with the main game on multiple levels

>>725194073
First of all she's a dyke and second of all she's bald and third of all she's covered in gross scars and finally she's an irrational bitch who wants to kill me for putting her on an elevator. I'm defending Ulysses writing ITT but fuck Christine, I'm not to know that this person is so unhinged.

>>725194271
>I'm not to know that this person is so unhinged
You mean, SHE, should be a big enough hint

>>725188687
>>725189390
>>725191186
>>725191323
>>725192106
The player character's name is "the courier". only Ulysses refers to the character as courier six. It doesn't mean anything to anyone but him.

>>725194417
Also, he got shot in the head and the doctor did his best to reconstruct his face, for all we know its mistaken identity

>>725192696
"That which is posited flippantly is dismissed flippantly". Burden's on the assertion of a claim, not its refutation.

>>725194271
>First of all she's a dyke
Lesbians still crave cock, anon
It's a biological imperative.
>she's bald
It can grow back
>and third of all she's covered in gross scars
Which is sexy
>and finally she's an irrational bitch who wants to kill me for putting her on an elevator.
>:(
You shouldn't a done that

Josh Sawyer never made a good game, and if it was NV it was probably from George Lucas syndrome having great human resources supporting his project.

>>725194543
Well actually Johnson Nash mentions that Ulysses recognizes your name on a list, and Nash only recognizes you by your delivery order for the chip, not your face.

>>725194575
The assertion is yours though, you claim the mention of Ulysses in the base game weren't there originally, thus it's up to you to prove that.

>>725194543
wahhh wahh let me close my eyes and pretend it's not real wahhh i need to be an isekai character waahh

>>725194706
Nash wouldn't recognize you by face, you got hired by another Mojave Express outpost
Ulysses knowing your name is another "I guess he read the script" moment

>>725192972
Someone else remembers the past, that's two against you. You did play it on release, right anon?
>>725194575

>>725193973
>>725194015
This isn't a situation where in someone took a reckless action instead giving it its due forethought and ended up causing some calamity out of their impulsiveness, it is instead just the world being a messed up fallen place in which suffering can come suddenly and without an real reason. Ulysses way of coping with that is to create some grand narrative about responsibility and intentional action where there really isn't grounds for one in order to make some sense of the endless series of travesties that have befallen him and the world in general. He is a grief broken mad man ready to nuke the two most developed civilizations that have managed to crawl out of the wreckage of the previous nuclear holocaust. He deserves a bullet in the head like the mad dog he is.

>game was big deal to me 15 years ago after playing fallout 3 as first fallout
>got around to playing it a few years after release, beat all the branching paths and DLCs 200 hours put in
>didn't bother getting into mod scene
>simply moved on to later fallouts

why are people so hung up on new vegas (and 3)? I don't really care if fallout 5 never happens desu. 76 is monetization hell but it feels like a fitting end for the series where you just wander around playing with CAMPs and screwing around with builds not taking writing and world building serious anymore. NV thread makers are worse then elderscrolls VI copers.

>>725194073
Wish you could have actually met her again after the DLC and its kinda upsetting that they had to write it so she'd stay in that shithole for no good reason just to avoid having to deal with the fallout. Pun intended.

>>725194271
>I would literally rather shove a traumatised woman who got carved up and tortured in a phonebooth for two week straight into another claustrophobic space for an indeterminate amount of time than spend 30 seconds walking to a locker. Gee how come she's upset at me what a bitch.
Are you genuinely this autistic or is this just low quality bait.

>>725194861
See
>>725194064

>>725194861
I understand that anon, I'm just saying it's a very stupid idea
Actually, scratch that, it's an interesting idea that could've been a lot better executed.
As it is in the game it's pretty retarded

Don't care honestly.
Even by New Vegas standards it wasn't interesting enough to engage with to begin with and the gameplay didn't make up for it.

>>725194934
As interesting as they can be the NV DLCs are some of the worst decision maker I've ever seen
The base game was fraught with bugs things that felt incomplete or lacking, and for some reason Obsidian's idea post release is to focus on a series of almost complete unrelatable, mostly self contained far off quests.

>>725194996
Yeah I am not saying there are zero goo parts or either his character, the divide, or the border DLC narrative, just that the execution as it is is kind of retarded and not anywhere near as philosophically profound as many claim

>>725192972
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:The_Divide%3F

>>725188054 (OP)
>nigger
>Ulysses

>>725195668
>>725192972

humiliated

>>725195668
Funny read, I don't see a silver bullet in there suggesting anything in the base game refers to Ulysses.

>>725189592
>captlaism

also the new captchta is dogshit

>>725194073
I was actually heartbroken after learning that she is a lesbian. All these little interactions with her where you comfort and reassure her. And fucking handholding
Jesus, man, handholding…

>>725196275
Are you genuinely retarded

>>725196573
I mean, there's nothing saying she isn't bi
Veronica seems more intent of exclusively carpet munching but willing to be she'd get real soft on that after a party

>>725196275
You could have just brought up Ulysses shack, you know the left over cut content from when he was supposed to be a companion. This is certainly not the silver bullet you think it is. If anything it further illustrates you grasping at straws.

>>725196651
Are you? The initial claim was that Johnson Nash's dialogue was changed with the DLC.

I played that shit before the DLCs too, the courier 6 stuff in Primm was not there from the start. Felt weird, like those booby trapped NCR maimed soldiers outside Nelson.

>>725196815
Those are well documented though
The Ulysses soft mention by Nash being added by DLC isn't.
He was always been part of the game somehow, just like Joshua Graham and the Burned Man legend

>>725189592
>LMAO the gold too heavy to carry
It literally isn't

>>725197009
He was going to be a companion originally, on the legion path if I recall. Thats cut content, like the majority of the legion.

>>725196715
Well you can use lesbian perk on her but not lady killer. As far as game tells you she also only was in a lesbian relationship so that’s that

>>725188054 (OP)
>Avellone's 2edgy4me self-insert: the character

>>725188856
>swarthy
>redhead

>>725196804
>”answering” a question with a question

>>725192258
Kill yourself fagio

>>725196573
What, did you know talk to Veronica or read the journals from the dlcs?
I knew right away when I played the game that she was who Veronica was talking about and therefore a lesbo.

>>725197398
You can also use the gay perk on her, it's more of commiserating about same sex relationships than actual hitting on her
The tender moment you share is the handholding and that's not gender exclusive
Though not necessarily romantic either tbf

>>725188054 (OP)
You sound like you enjoy consuming slop at both ends.

>>725192258
>obvious satire/joke video
>people joking around in comments as well, saying things like how it would be funny if the nazi enemies were actually glowies
disingenuous nigger

dink dino

>>725188054 (OP)
the guy is black. enough said

after my 2nd run of Lonesome Road I thought Ulysses' all shtick was that the Old World killed itself and raising its symbols again would just lead to the same thing. He keeps mentioning history because he doesn't want to be repeated and the people of the Divide showed that a stable community can be achieved without relying on archaic ideologies.

On the other hand, him blaming you especially for the Divide getting nuked and forcing you to have a backstory is dumb. They wanted Ulysses to be a mirror but I find the way they did it very brash. The DLC being a shooting gallery after another with his schizo ramblings intermissions didn't help.

LR feels hollow and a missed opportunity as opposed to the other DLCs

>Playing NV for the first time because of the upcoming show
Full Retarded normie

Easily the worst DLC. It's a fucking boring slog and the only redeemable thing is the EDE upgrades, but it's not worth it.
>woah guys, I wonder who the mysterious courier 5 is!
>game drops hints about him in all the preceding DLC, adding to the mystique
>all he does is ramble fucking nonstop about BEAR and BULL, and is LITERALLY trying to shoot the messenger because he's clinically retarded (and black)

>>725192278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHZPNvk6s6w&t=825s

>>725198121
Fallout fans are all dead
The Bethesda goysloppers have won

>skip everything he says
>noclip past the nuke he wants to force me to blow up to keep playing
>kill him with console the second I enter his lair
>leave forget about him instantly
I got it pretty damn well actually

>>725198318
>woawww, UPGRADESSSS i love NUMBERSSS more powerrrr
>doesn't understand story
>brings up race for some reason
many such cases

>>725189390
Cat

>>725198667
>Ummm sweaty, you're not supposed to discuss game mechanics in a video game
>Sarrr, do the needful and understand this deep and poetic story. BLOODY BENCHOD DO NOT REDEEM OPINIONS!
>Pay no attention to the race, goyim. There are no borders and we're all human on the inside.
Very cool post, jewish tranny pajeet.

>>725188054 (OP)
His DLC is basically "don't shoot the mailman" in microtransactions form

>>725188054 (OP)
I did get it.

It was just Chris getting high off of the smell of his own farts.

>>725198978
>random buzzword
the bot thread is down the street newfag, we play videogames in here

>>725198318
There's hints about him all the way up to Primm in the base game iirc. Kevin Nash is like "oh this other courier was supposed to deliver the chip but then he saw your name on the list and was like nono, he has to carry it, it's his DESTINY".
Everything around Ulysses is so abysmally bad and almost nonsensical at times I wonder how it got greenlit at all

>>725197758
No, my first playthrough was very ehh cursive. I just played through the game without paying much attention

>>725199421
>Kevin Nash

>>725197641
here's a non ant-sized version friend.

>>725188185
>"Worse than the best DLC."
Non-statement.

>>725199421
>wonder how it got greenlit at all
How did Avellone managed to convince the entire team (barring apparently the game's fucking director) to make a trilogy of DLCs all involving his special character and his own myth arc, with almost no connection to the main game and all set in very tonally different spaces than the whole Mojave?

>>725200167
he probably said "it will be good and sell well and be talked about for decades and all its sequels will try and fail forever to reach this level again as they fall into irrelevence while this stands" and they said ok and he was right

>>725200307
Could've he just have done something good that sells well that actually complements the base game, instead?

>>725199802
God dammit
>>725200167
There is an undeniable pettiness to Ulysses' character and everything related to the Divide which made me dislike Avellone as a person ever since. It's even more jarring when you consider that he was lead writer on the base game, so he was perfectly capable of writing something that fit the setting and the story. But no, this feels like his personnal OC project that he pushed through because he didn't like the direction the base game took

>>725188185
you personally engage with it to the level that you want to. I personally didn't take responsibility for whatever happened to the divide regardless of what Ulysses said. I just figure he's buttmad about it and wants to blame me and get some type of closure for what happened. i.e. it was really about him, not the courier I was playing as.

>>725200840
Cool

>>725200419
this is what he has always been doing and it worked out pretty well, he made the most interesting characters in vidya ever

>>725200840
>I personally didn't take responsibility for whatever happened to the divide regardless of what Ulysses said
This is also part of the issue (among a few hundred more things)
You can ever categorically deny any responsibility of point out an impossibility that means you're innocent
All your replies are to the tune of "I don't remember" "I don't think I would've done that" "it couldn't have been me" the lack agency is downright insulting
If the player could actively choose how much participation he has on Ulysses's mentality it would've been pretty great, since the less you take the more unhinged you make him out to be, but Avellone won't let you ruin his narrative

>>725188054 (OP)
Why should I care about something I never see?

>>725201027
go write your own story then don't play games other people wrote if you don't like what they write

>>725201027
I think the point is that maybe you did or maybe you didn't. either way it doesn't matter and really has nothing to do with who you are now.

>>725188054 (OP)
this whole dlc feels like a fucking nexus mod mady by some troon whose entire personality is being a third wheel in a cuck relationship
>muh bull muh bear
>you are literally the hitler cuz you delivered a nuke in a package

>>725200752
Yeah, I mean I like the guys as a writer but there's a reason HH is my favorite among the DLCs despite being the most boring.
It feels like NV. Zion Canyon is real. The people there feel like tribals that could exist in the world of Fallout.
I knew "lore" and what's possible in the setting was ruined by Fo2 and all the jokes, but the places in the 3 Avellone DLCs are insane. The tech has basically become magic and they're all impossible, unreachable, eternal places that don't feel real at all
>>725200941
Guy is a great writer but he has some pretty gaps in his writing.
Ulysses filibustering you through a half interesting environment that's not well explained isn't good writing

>>725201183
damn they invented someone who gets it

>>725201162
Don't be childish, anon
>>725201183
You definitely did though, there isn't any ambiguity on that aspect. That by itself a big issue

>Honest Hearts has the white man's burden moralfag that wants the bear wrestling clan to leave their home because "if we teach them violence their innocence will be gone"
>Dead Money has a *teleports behind you* ghoul that gets pissy when you don't suck his dick at every oppurtionity
>Lonesome Road has Ulysses stapling a backstory onto your OC and has nothing going for it if you're a House/Yesman Courier that is already picking nether side
How did Old World's Blues manage to be the DLC with the best writing?

>>725197619
They're called 'daywalkers'

>>725201372
>your OC
anon i...

>>725199897
I don't get it. Who's Fabio?

>>725188054 (OP)
>>but I never met this guy before
>you didn't get
Yeah. I really, really didn't...

Am I the only one who thinks Obsidian may have ... borrowed some ideas?

>.50BMG to his faggot head
now what

You will buy Ulysses outfit in Fallout 76 and you will be happy

>>725202070
>76 secondaries are going to be wearing the dreads
Poetic

>>725190992
can i get a tl;dr

>>725201372
>he got filtered by dead money
only an autist would fall for dean's skill checks, if you actually talked to people IRL you would know what to do

>>725202531
NTA but pissing dean off on purpose is the best option, even if the courier never got there and he made it to the vault he'd click the wrong option on the computer and get trapped there

>>725202531
No?
Like, there's a few that are more overbearing, but the initial Barter skill check is just you calmly stating that you're in the same boat and need to work together
Dean is actually another "nice idea, horrible execution" . The idea of a companion that's so jealous and petty and spiteful that he resets your competency is so great, unfortunately the execution of it it's literally a single harmless skillcheck before you even know the guy
They should've first introduced him, then give the player several options to pass skill checks with Dean in tow to show what an impressive figure you can be, and then he backstabbing makes sense

>>725202426
claiming that people (incorrectly)perceive ulysses to be wise + speaking from a position of authority/logic they get mad at his flawed logic. picrel claims he's actually illogical and with an incomplete partly reactionary ideology trying to force a resolution via confrontation with the courier and it takes someone to go the extra mile to find the very words he is trying to find to express to you what his problem is to give him relief from the circumstances he blindly blames you for

Hackelon

>>725188054 (OP)
Every fallout game is shit and I'm tired of pretending they're not

>>725202947
okay
but can you like tl;dr this post now

>>725203768
ulysses man voice scary so pussies get scared and don't like it

>>725203768
Ignore>>725203895
The real dl;dr is anon runs interference for poor writing

>>725190992
To compound a lot for points in a few answers
1) Once again, the intentions are interesting, the execution with Ulysses was bad
2) You're constantly shown and told of the NCR's incompetence and overreach but th game is still around 60% NCR quests. They also get uncharacteristically hyper successful in their endings, whereas the other factions all get more bittersweet epilogues
3) The idea of "rebuilding the New World without anything of the Old" is self defeating. Problems arise because people, be they from 5000 b.C or 2284 AD, are the same. Conflict is inherent in human nature, like Doc says "people just can leave each other alone". It's impossible to create some brand new form of government that hasn't been tried in 6000 years of civilization.
The goal is trying something that works well enough, not something without flaws.

>>725198015
Fun fact, the ingame Ulysses uses a custom head/helmet model for him to avoid the generated face, but the model doesn't allow for moving mouth, which is why he always have a rebreather

>>725194708
>>725192696
see
>>725198492
you cum guzzling retard

>>725204134
it must suck to be as stupid as you are

>>725205308
just gamebryo things

>>725188054 (OP)
The older I get the more I realize lonesome road is a massive filter despite not even being good

>>725205308
Obsidian really understood that gamebryo faces are terrible and most of the important characters have closed faces.

growing up is realizing that the NV story was always shit and that fallout 4 is better just because of the better gameplay and the mods available

>>725202426
Here you go

I liked Dead Money and Lonesome Road. I thought the theme of letting go of the past and beginning again rather poignant and I liked that the theme carries through all four DLCs. Also, even though I still don't like him I understand Daniel's stance of preserving the Sorrows innocence stemming from how previous tribes he had worked with died out and he carries that grief. He's still a worse choice than Joshua of course but I get it.

>>725204323
>The idea of "rebuilding the New World without anything of the Old" is self defeating.
Dont think this was the actual point. The point wasnt to avoid anything from the old, just that the new world should be wary of repeating the errors of the old.

I dont think its impossible to try something new. Everything is always changing all the time, all we have is the past. We know how liberal democracies and ancient empires worked, and we know why they eventually fell. We're in the midst of the post WW2 globalization model falling.

Its completely understandable that someone might feel frustrated from peoples inability to learn from history, and even from their own lives. Its been a good while since i last played NV but from the post it seems as if Ulysses is struggling with reaching a point where hes pondering on the rise and fall of nations and he genuinely wants to build a better world but he himself is nationless. He has no tribe and he has no footing anywhere but the Divide. Hes not a character that has the answers but hes one of the few that doesnt seem to pretend to.

>>725188054 (OP)
I ignored everything he bitched and cried about while getting to him, and I shot him in the face from the elevator before it even finished touching down, good riddance to that whiny nigger
>muh muh muh problems
>no I can't fix them myself all I can do is whine and cry like a bitch
>what do you mean I should do something myself?
>bawww
fucking nigger

>>725201602
The original F3 schizo. Since he's italian,(neapolitan) people ended up associating F3fags with Indians thanks to his painfully unfunny ESL memes. Now that most people have caught on, fabioposting is slowly replacing jeetposting when it comes to F3.
In some of these threads he gets so mad about people posting his face that he started making chad edits of himself. There was only a single known picture of him before that, but all these edits use new ones, so he's 100% still posting on /v/ to this day, seething about New Vegas.

>>725206504
rare opinion because you have to actually play the game to know who daniel is

>>725207221
I also hate Yes Man players that go 'it's the best choice because muh Courier 10 Int' whereas for me Yes Man's ending follows with the themes of the DLCs by rejecting the ambitions of the three powers in order give the Mojave its chance to become something on its own.

>>725189390
Sorry but I didn't do any of those things. I'm actually Courier Six who was born in a small flyover town like Goodsprings until it was overrun with mutated insects. For a while I ran a brahmin shooting carnie sideshow in Texas that I inherited from my uncle, where I pack brahmin into trebuchets and make people pay to shoot them mid-air with plasma guns (very popular with tourists), but was sadly forced into retirement by the Brotherhood of Steel confiscating my cool energy weapons collection. Then I migrated to Nevada and became a mailman because I'm a degenerate gambler.

>>725188054 (OP)
I usually like Avellone but I think he went off on his own tangent making "The Courier" into a a mythic comic book role, where the theme of the story becomes "Courier-ness" without really thinking about the player experience. It was perfectly accordant in my mind that this could have been just an odd job the PC took and being called "the courier" had a cool feeling of being an incidental and meaningless name of convenience. If PC had this whole concrete courier backstory it should have been set up starting in Goodsprings and been discovered in pieces through the whole base game, or even just in the other DLCs. Creating it from whole cloth in the last DLC was a mistake.

Then on top of that in the DLC area itself you are constantly accosted by forced un-ignorable dialogs with both Ulysses and the robot, usually within a few steps of each other.

>>725205528
>>725205825
That was always there, like the burned man graffiti in the ruin nearby. Left overs from incomplete cut content. The way Nash talked about you taking the courier contract was changed to further elaborate. You can tell they're petty little fools by the way the immediately attack you with insults when someone else post "evidence".

>>725188054 (OP)
>This DLC is bad because it gives my character (the courier) the established backstory of delivering a single other package at some point in time
Might be the single most retarded criticism of all time. Especially since you can outright deny it to Ulysses face. I can't even called it a midwit take, its outright earnestly stupid

>>725198634
If they were dead that WEBM would not exist

>>725208167
The PC is not allowed to successfully deny delivering the package. I don't know how anyone can read those dialogs and think that you can. It's always framed as a lie and you're eventually forced to pick some "n-no, that's not true, it's impossible" kind of self-incriminating line.

>>725208504
>Its self incriminating because a literal insane man takes it as such.
Okay. Even if you 100% take it as gospel your character did that, its still one of the most retarded criticisms of all time.

>>725207861
I always perceived it as such and was not surprised when it came to ahead. In every fallout game you play as some mystic figure

>>725207205
So he's the guy who made all those now-classic pro-Fallout 3 memes? Odd how I never heard his name before.

I'm like 99% sure this DLC was a "Funny Games" situation where the author was intentionally shitting on the audience.

The start is giving you a backstory, something old fags hate, tells you to your face you've seen the locations of fallout 1 and 2, tells you that you destroyed the community by continuing to play, blasts americana in your face as you walk down a straight line and has Ulysses crashout being him returning to some tribe to find that they had emulated his traditions with none of the soul.

Finally you nuke something, or nothing, but the only way to get faction specific armor is to nuke your own faction, and the nuke nothing option is the most nonsensical sacrifice imaginable.

>>725192116
I agree its more intrusive, but to accept your characters was a courier means you probably have to accept/roleyplay that they took more than just one job. To begin with it was already intrusive that any character you could come up with has a stint as a mailman

>>725207861
>If PC had this whole concrete courier backstory it should have been set up starting in Goodsprings and been discovered in pieces through the whole base game
you mean like johnson nash commenting on how weird it was that ulysses passed on the platinum chip delivery?

>>725202531
I've played through dead money without a guide like 4 times and I've never even realized there's a fail state with Dean.

>>725208763
It's self-incriminating because it's written to be self-incriminating, because the game made it your backstory.

>>725209647
Okay. And crying about your character, who is a courier, having delivered a whopping TWO packages instead of one is gay as hell.

>>725206295
getting completely mindbroken by the porn addiction is not growing up

Lonesome Road has the best writing in New Vegas and in the series.
It's the thematic capstone of the game AND the series as a piece of meta-commentary.
Actually role play, commit to your decisions and ideology, look past surface level symbols and understand what you claim to believe in. Ulysses is in essence a player caught up in trying to interpret the surface level, trying to meld what's show to him into what he thinks it should mean instead of what it means. There is a reason the final speech check is telling him you genuinely believe in something, not the symbol but the big picture.
The DLC tries to make you understand this through the whole length but one big example is the Divide's ED-E. ED-E is almost the FNV mascot, an icon himself but this one is clearly different. The message behind the icon has changed and you need to contend with it, he's not the same character and he literally lacks the symbols and icons plastered on the Mojave copy. A smaller example is the Riot Armor, now a symbol of the NCR was actually LAPD and before that even was Marine (HH Ranger armor).

In a meta-contextualize sense Ulysses is Avellone upset that Fallout through Bethesda has been reduced purely to its iconography, the Bethesda BoS isn't Fallout's BoS, Bethesda Enclave isn't Fallout's Enclave, etc.

>>725209239
There is zero reason to interpret that as backstory-related without hindsight and even with hindsight it's the exception that proves the rule.

>>725209931
Do you really want to characterize it as crying when I just want people to drop the "you can deny it" thing they're still repeating in these threads

>>725210151
>Do you really want to characterize it as crying
Yeah

>>725188594
>Courier is a blank slate
But that's wrong
>>725188054 (OP)
All FNV dlcs are shit, literally at the level of a fucking mothership zeta.

>>725210019
the conversation implied some bad blood between you and the at the time unnamed courier. it's set up, get over yourself.

>>725210010
good reading tho i disagree with the last part, I think Ulysses being basically the 'Anti-Player' and ultimately ending up being the final filter for players who weren't paying attention was purely coincidence

>>725208969
"The Vault Dweller" in 1 is pretty un-mythic I'd say. You don't like defeat the Master by being this symbol of what was preserved from the destruction of the war or whatever; you're just a guy. In fact it's actually an ironic name because of the ending - you truly aren't a vault dweller any more.

Plus people rarely refer to you as The Vault Dweller much ingame because it was mostly non-voiced and they could just use the actual human name you picked.

>>725188054 (OP)
this guys a tool, you can literally tell him none of it matters and then he sits by a campfire doing nothing

>>725210151
yes because that's what you're doing right now.

>>725210786
>>725210441
great interacting with you folks on the internet

>>725189987
because i didn't do it, simple as, you can have an NPC say my character raped 100000 men and women before the game started and call him out to be a bad person but none of that exists aside from that one character calling you out

>>725210846
My first post says "if you complain about this you're fucking stupid" I genuinely do not know what you expected. It being undeniable does not change my stance at all

>>725189987
There is no actual evidence suggest that anything the bear and bull meme man says is true because it supposedly happened before you know you the player starting playing the game.

There is more evidence to suggest that the bear and bull man is just mentally ill and retarded. The only reason you do not see it that way is because of the authorial tone and because it’s slightly more thematically relevant. Given the actual plot, Ulysses is more likely to be just speaking falsehoods

Ulysses is black.

>>725210754
maybe, it's worth nothing Chris Avellone didn't work on fallout 1 anyway. But still, it ends with this shot that is an unsubtle obvious Mad Max reference (along with the dog, the shotgun and the leather jacket being in the game in that style). I think its obvious mad max inspirations have ironically been forgotten, even by Chris Avellone

>>725209013
Only good post this entire thread

>YOU CAN'T USE BRAIDS LIKE ME BECAUSE......BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW AND SHARE ITS HISTORY FUCK YOU UNCIVILIZED WHITE SAVAGES
Ulysses is a woketard.

>>725188087
fpbp

>>725189592
>this entirely new terrain where has simulation taken me
Jeet pls

>>725211274
>retards using your culture's symbols without understanding them is good
This is how you get niggers saying that they were kings n shieeet

>>725210010
Completely disagree. It’s thematically irrelevant to the base game, it’s entirely self contained within the dlcs

>>725210964
What else are you going to deny about the story?
That you were a courier?
That you were going to deliver the chip?
That you got shot in the head?
That you woke up in Doc Mitchell's bed?
That you went to New Reno once?
That you are from this world?
That you were born?

You don't get to pick and choose the immutable parts of a story in and RPG, you are PLAYING a ROLE. You are only the PLAYER not the writer. That's why you paid money for it.

>>725211179
Calling the Fallout main characters by names like "the vault dweller" etc. reminds me of the final voice over of Mad Max 2 where the monkey kid is now an adult and is framed as telling the story of the movie as history, and he calls max "The Road Warrior".

>>725211471
When you watch a movie or a read a book you are experiencing a story of characters that fulfill a role within that story.

The aspect of “you are playing a role because it’s an rpg” is literally not relevant. The reason TLR fails is because of the information presented to you in the eleventh hour.

>>725211471
Not establishing something new in the last DLC seems like a modest request

It's like the thing where Emil said the MC of Fallout 4 is a war criminal on twitter, is that just backstory you now have to accept always having been in Fallout 4 (pretend Todd didn't call him and tell him to take it back)

>>725209013
I do this, after the first play through I'll never waste my time again

>>725211667
It's only the eleventh hour if you are innatentive. It is evident it was always building up to Lonesome Road. And YOU inadvertedly being the cause of the Divide was always a planned twist. Jsawyer and Chris have both talked about how the DLC was being worked on before the release of the game(In the contet that they were forced to cut into dlc dev time to finish the base game) And the major keywards and foreshadowing of the Divide are all present in the game. If you play the game you should be aware that there is something more than the Battle for hoover dam on the horizon, something all these parts are moving towards.

>>725212014
They're not dropping hints. The thing with Nash is the only thing that does any work at it whatsoever and it's meaningless without hindsight.

>>725211468
It's pretty thematically relevant to the base game when you are asked to choose between two factions wearing old world symbols with warped meaning and literally just the old world frozen in a test tube.
Then there is the Yes Man ending which the DLCs try to edge you towards because it's the only thing new.

>>725211471
In BG you play as a bhaalspawn and no one complains because it’s actually woven into the plot and themes. You can do custom character with an important, set backstory. It’s not unusual. What is unusual is how clumsy NV does it.

>>725211974
>the Divide
Not in the base game

>>725211974
They were not building up shit in the base game. You have one literal throwaway sentence. That’s as much build up as “somehow palpatine returned”. The DLC built up Ulysses yes, that is actually narrative build up. In the base game? He’s persona non grata

>>725211471
Do you know what is close to Reno? Arroyo. Do you know where one can find a Vault 13 canteen? Arroyo.
Courier is related to the Chosen One 100% confirmed, he attains god-like status from his lineage.

>>725188054 (OP)
There should've been a roleplay option to tell him to fuck off and use your skills to turn the volume off on ede so he can't vent his dumbass shit at you the whole way through the DLC. I guarantee if you robbed him of the opportunity to bitch at you and treat you like his therapist he'd crash out and you could kill him way earlier on when he inevitably comes at you.

It's sort of impossible to argue with people that disagree that it was foreshadowed/obvious because the very reason they didn't like it is because they weren't paying attention/too stupid/watched it on youtube. They don't have the basic game knowledge required to know which vanilla characters bring up courier 5 or the divide or how the current state of the mojave is such because of those events. Their dislike and position is already predicated by not knowing what is happening in the story. You'll never see these people bring up the obvious better argument that Ulysses was rewritten from a companion, there's uncountable amount of leftover code for Ulysses before the rewrite, and the devs are open that he had to be removed as a companion.

>>725212085
This, it’s not actual narratively important. It’s more of an Easter egg it isn’t even chekhov’s gun

Ulysses sperging out over the White Leg's usage of his dreads is the Rosetta Stone of Lonesome Road.

>>725188054 (OP)
>please take this cut content character SERIOUSLY
fuck off NIGGER

>>725212530
One only vagueposts when they get utterly assblasted. You’re unironically using the word “argue” on a Tibetan glass blowing image board which means you’re a terminally online incel that is incapable of social interaction in real life.

>>725212569
>The character that brings up STORMS OF THE DIVIDE and courier 5 in the same breath near the location in the base game that has spray paint saying THE DIVIDE, COURIER 6?, LONESOME ROAD is purely coincidence.
get a grip man

>>725212086
Their symbols are literally new.

>>725212860
That zone was added with the dlc homie it was not in the base game

>>725211407
>yet another poltard siding with niggers because today's layer of contrarianism demands it

>>725188054 (OP)
>>725189390
My actual issue with Lonesome Road is it doesn’t give you the option to just blatantly take credit for destroying the Divide.

>>725212860
Nash is a D list character in a C list quest chain. Mr. Fantastic is in the same amount of quests and to be frank the Helios questline is more of a B list chain.

According to you it would have been appropriate if the lonesome road was about the university where he received theoretical degree in physics. It’s one line pal, foreshadowing this is not.

>>725213129
Yeah you seemed to have missed the point extremely fucking badly. I respond to a schizophrenic who is talking to himself in an attempt to have him recognize his inceldom.

>>725212909
Only if you consider Coldsteel the Hedgehog totally unrelated to Sonic.

>>725213124
I pointed this out here in a roundabout way
>>725211140
It literally seems like in universe Ulysses is just…mistaken

>>725213462
Coldsteel is LITERALLY an OC, an original character.

>>725211140
You are forced into an inescapable conversation where you can only deny it in an obviously false and self-implicating way. The game made it your backstory. This should not be up for debate in these threads.

>>725188054 (OP)
I don't even remember what this story was about. I just remember I wanted his jacket

>>725213653
>obviously false
Says who? The mentally ill bear and bull man. The game does not even begin to present him as stable, or sane. He’s mistaken.

>>725213809
Says the dialog tree which you are inescapably forced into and have no other option but to reply with.

>>725207502
Kek

>>725213887
So the dialogue free all says you didn’t do it. I agree. The game has presented the bear and bull man as a lunatic who says you did do it.

>>725188185
>>725192116
It's vague enough that you can headcanon that Ulysses mistook you for someone else/went insane. I'm guessing some higher up at Obsidian had the same issues with it you guys have and made some changes to Avellone's original script.

>>725213653
>The game made it your backstory.
What it made your backstory is that Ulysses is seething over you. It never actually canonized you doing anything regarding the divide

>>725207502
my courier also didn't do that, they are a little girl from japan that fell into an isekai teleporter device and fell into the grave of the courier, scratching their head. i also prefer to think doc mitchell is actually just insane, and they didn't do head surgery because there were no bullets inside, just imagined it.

>>725188054 (OP)
>Mad at you for delivering an unfortunate package
That's like being mad at the postman for delivering your bills.

>>725214248
if your favorite pizza joint got turned into a comedic infinite torture radioactive hell dimension you might also want something to blame

>>725214248
>Courier 6 delivering the package to the Divide
https://youtu.be/FIf3kzXLu2Q?si=C5oeL8K-cOK0KFt4&t=158

>You uhhhh just like don't get it man
Nah lil Uly is a shit character.
RPGs like this are always better when you don't have a predetermined background forced onto you. Ulysses was a fully written and feature complete companion, and was then cut from the game because of how shitty he was.
>uhh but memory
No, that's what Josh Sawyer was told because everyone hated his stupid OC.

>>725214248
Fuck that bitch, she's gotten my address wrong for years now.
My family has lived in this house for 80 fucking years. I think we know what our own address is.
She even went to city hall to argue with them about it.
Bitch! I fucking hate her.

>>725214837
wrong guy

daily reminder that there's literally 0 in game evidence that New Hopeville existed or that The Divide isn't the way it is because of a Chinese first strike hitting a missile base and causing a sympathetic detonation in the ground. All of Ulysses' dialogue is double talk describing what will happen if you play through the DLC and bring him ED-E

>>725201814
>1 year apart
More likely that they both borrowed from the same source.

>>725215285
daily reminder that there's literally 0 in game evidence that Camp Searchlight existed or that The Airport isn't irradiated because of a Chinese first strike hitting a an innocent Legion Radioactive volunteer worker transport and causing a sympathetic detonation in the ground. All of First Sergeant Astor's dialogue is double talk describing what will happen if you play through the area and bring him 10 dogtags

>>725188185
Dead money is the only good part of NV doe, everything else is so easy you might as well watch some jewtube faggot playthrough. somehow the devs made bugthesda gameplay decent in DM, too bad fallout fans are retarded and don't want gameplay in their game

>>725215686
Sergeant Astor is not presented as insane as bear and bull meme man

>>725188526
Its funny how much Bethesda fans hate Emil and blame him for the company's decline considering he made Life of the Party and that one thief level is better than every Bethesda game put together.

>>725188185
>character is a known courier who has been hired to deliver one package before the game starts
>totally fine, very roleplay friendly
>character is a known courier who has been hired to deliver two packages before the game starts
>AAAIIIEEEEEE NOOOO MY ROLEPLAY AAAHHH SAVE MEEE

>>725216584
>filename
>gif
>nondescript and generic but inflammatory reply
Teachable moment fellas, this shit is a bot.

>>725215264
>Wrong guy
Yes, lil Uly was the wrong guy to put in FNV. Terrible writing in every form. Chris came up with the idea for the character, but Josh wrote him and it came out like hot garbage. Probably Josh's LGBTQ+Retard bias in play.

>>725216693
I'm making fun of how fucking stupid it is to complain that the writers daring to have the mailman deliver more than one single package in his career as a mailman is ruining their character's "blank slate", which is made extra stupid by the implication that the mailman delivering just one single package is totally fine and doesn't impact the "blank slate" in any way.

>>725209213
>you probably have to accept/roleyplay that they took more than just one job.
No?
It's not like it's a huge deal for you in dialogue. Shit, you had the freedom to roleplay as a guy that killed the original mailman and took his stuff and now uses it as a cover.
Not with the intrusive backstory though

>>725210010
Nah, man we've already debunked Lonesome Road
Read the thread

>>725220179
what next, the option to pretend you're a woman?

>>725220360
Uhhhh they give you that option and have since Fallout 1

>>725189987
>His problem is that you do what you do without caring or paying attention, too aloof to even consider it your fault to begin with. (Perfectly reflecting the average player)
His problem is he's fucking retarded. Couriers are postmen. They deliver packages. They don't open up packages to snoop on what they're moving and make moral judgments on it. They take the fucking thing from point A to point B. It's not the postman's fault that someone sent a detonator to a place that happened to have the thing the detonator connects to, nor that the recipient triggered the explosives. The only Divide blast the courier is remotely responsible for is the dogshit Courier's Mile area, and only because they railroad you into firing that missile to walk through a door.

>>725221307
It is though.

>>725221307
Honestly he probably willingly blew up the divide and is blaming you in some guilty psychosis, none of his actions make sense

>>725194073
>threaten her once because she won't do the fucking job she has to do and we're all strapped with suicide bomb collars
>she goes schizo and tries to kill me later
>only my buddy Dean Domino makes it out alive with me

>>725198121
>look mommy I posted BEAR BULL BEAR BULLman's whining about hairstyles over random gameplay and FMV clips again
Do you have a humiliation fetish? You get clowned on so hard every time you post this garbage.

>>725189592
based esl

>>725221307
It's simultaneously a metaphor for the previously mentioned average player sleepwalking through games without considering their actions within the game world and Ulysses missing the forest for the trees and blaming the trigger of a gun for killing someone instead of the person firing it because it's a more convenient target for him to pick out in the moment.

>>725188054 (OP)
I mean the whole DLC was undercooked af. Couldn’t care less about Ulysses giving me some history lessons about le past becoming le future. Hopeville/Ashton were the second most interesting location other than the Sierra Madre but had 0 world building or lore other than underground nukes.

>>725205308
And it looks like shit. Avellone really needed to have his retarded character so super duper special that it just had to be a custom, static model instead of modifying Facegen like with every single other character in the game. Sad!

>>725218827
Read >>725192116

>>725210692
Having a single >implication of "bad blood" between you and another courier and literally nothing else between then and meeting BEAR BULL BULL BEAR in the final DLC does not adequately seed a concrete backstory for the player character.

>>725212530
i blame youtube essay culture giving every media illiterate delusions about their dogshit "opinion"

>>725189592
You can also bring everything from the simulation out with you, thank Todd

What did obsidian mean by making every well spoken and educated post-war character you meet come from the legion and making the NCR all midwits

>>725221871
She's traumatized and making her so she doesn't have to stay in a dark and cramped room isn't a big effort

>>725188054 (OP)
>blow up a village, or just turn back duuude
ok, where's my refund button?

>>725188054 (OP)
>How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning

>>725193935
It's more like shooting the guy who drove the train to Auschwitz, except he's just a normal train driver who just so happened to get that assignment one day and didn't even know what it was

>>725223531
who are you bringing up besides caesar? ulysses and graham both got fucked over by the legion and predict their collapse in the long term; the former just plans on nuking their territory, and the latter states that the legion will destabilize with caesar's death due to murder hobo lanius having no mind for logistics

>>725198121
This is what the DLC was really about, an acknowledgement that this series was going to die in Bethesdas hands. I can't believe how many people here are so ignorant as to not get this. I wonder what they knew all the way back in 2011. Fallout 76 was mentioned as far back as 2008 via a terminal entry in the Citadel. God only knows what they knew and what they legally can't tell us about. If your partial to conspiracy theories there's a human trafficker named Saint James in New Vegas. Seems a bit on the nose considering what would pop up in the news just a few years later. The powers that be hate New Vegas because it shits on the concept of fiat currency and is filled with little redpills.

>>725209127
>author was intentionally shitting on the audience
It comes off like that, but I don't believe Avellone had intended to shit on the audience, seeing how Ulysses either concedes to the Courier or gets killed fighting him, then followed by the endings which proceed to jerk you off and assert how monumental this moment was for your character. I don't believe Avellone was being insincere either. He's written numerous times on his twatter about how he personally regrets the direction F2 had taken, and there's a screencap of a post he made on the cuckdex about how he considers it not to be canon if any lore incongruity happens to stem from it. LR was his way of making up for it by finally delivering those harsh landscapes shown in the concept art and advertisements for F1.
>giving you a backstory... tells you that you destroyed the community by continuing to play
It goes in hand with the "meta-commentary." If you've played F1 and F2, then you've literally walked west. The Divide's destruction isn't solely on you but on the franchise itself, as each game proceeds to build off the previous entry. Just as Ulysses had discovered Hoover Dam for Legion, bringing Caesar's attention to the Mojave, so had your previous avatars with the NCR, with your charitable effort in working a deal between NCR and Vault 15 in F2 leading to their expansionist turn. The community of the Divide is supposed to be one of the few remaining ties left from the old world, and one that has been severed inadvertently because of the package the Courier carried from the West. This isn't entirely negative, as Ulysses remarks that there's a strength in the Courier's lack of attachment to the West in a dialogue option, or how by willingly severing their own ties in launching the nukes at NCR happened to have made them stronger. Worth noting that regardless of where the Nukes go, your message becomes Ulysses' as well if you pass whatever check.

>>725192434
posted 9 hours ago

you all got your time and energy wasted for 9 hours by a terrorist sympathizer