Thread 725196919

So using a wiki is now le bad????

Mods are online, ESLtard

>>725196919 (OP)
always has been
blame notch

Funger is far from a wiki game what

It's not a wiki, it's a trash pc games

>>725196919 (OP)
It's sad that so many people would rather use a wiki than experiment and discover

>>725196919 (OP)
Do you need the guide in Noita for normal runs?

Because I tried the game a few times and the farest I've reached was like the snow zone 4 I believe

Maybe with the guide open I can actually have a better time

The wiki should be included in game

>>725196919 (OP)
you only need to look at the wiki for noita if you are doing the autistic out of bounds shit (which there is a shitton of) but the best part of the game is just doing normal runs while still learning

those games give you the info you need, you just have ADHD from tiktok so having to do any research on your own makes you break down screaming and crying, little retard

>>725196919 (OP)
I never used a wiki for fear & hunger, noita is on another level of wiki games though

>>725196967
rent free

currently suffering through researchslop myself, Disgaea 5 postgame

>>725197306
>those games give you the info you need
Not noita

>>725196919 (OP)
>le “thing I don’t like” face
lol kys

>>725196919 (OP)
Zoomers don't like having to think. They want quest markers to guide them through everything like its one long hallway. The idea there might be so much content to enjoy scares them. I can only imagine how badly they'd go into convulsions if they ever looked at an encyclopedia

>>725197270
do yourself a favor and beat the game normally at least once before looking anything up

>>725197408
Game guides have been a thing since forever, retard

>>725196919 (OP)
it's literally impossible to play all of Noita without looking things up.

What do you need a wiki for in sims? Recipes maybe if you really want to focus on that and that's it?

>>725197215
I agree, but sometimes the mechanics (and sometimes even content, fucking Mulana) are way too cryptic to discover on your own, I believe that's what OP pic is making a reference to.

>>725197408
I'm 35 and Noita wand-ing makes no sense to me

>>725196919 (OP)
>zoomers need a wiki to play the sims
bruh

>>725197408
>Zoomers don't like having to think
you are replying to an op with a literal template character design intended to prime you with an opinion of a caricature of a person.

>>725196919 (OP)
If your game doesn't have a wiki then it's not worth playing.

>>725197635
La Mulana's puzzles aren't the problem, it's the healing system and spongey as fuck contact damage bosses you hit once a minute with your zero range noodle whip.

>>725197845
i am too retarded to whip the bosses so instead i just bought bullets and shot most of them

>>725196919 (OP)
It's bad now and it was bad back when strategy guides were the wiki equivalent

>>725197215
>Go find this thing, i lost it somewhere in this map! t.brapper
Fuck you Niggerta
Its not so bad but as an example Tarkov has the most obscure shit in tasks and very often the task itself doesnt give you any information where to find them
Then you have a classic funny joke perhaps by the devs where you have to locate BTR wheels and mark them
So from experience you are used to just "press G" whenever you find something interactable and you could end up marking a pile of wheels that are NOT for a BTR and end up failing the quest as a "reward"
And they purposely made that SINGLE quest different where you can actually fail it because FUCK YOU

>>725196919 (OP)
Noita acts like a jealous gf that wants you to not have any other hobby or activity. Sorry but if I play games like 4 hours a week I'm not gonna spend hours googling your shitty mechanics, I'd rather play a shmup or a run and gun game.

I must've been 80 hours into binding of isaac before realizing that bombing rocks "moves" them into pits, instead of just disintegrating them
i also didn't realize how much people tryhard the game intentionally skipping items/rooms for benefits later

>>725197676
You just have to open the wiki and learn how a basic chainsaw wand works then you understand the gist of how to manipulate wands

>>725197270
Noita has a lot of depth that you haven't even come close to discovering. Just keep goin how you're goin, you gotta get your first win under your belt to really appreciate what else the game has.

>>725196919 (OP)
But that definition of a "wiki game" is fucking retarded. Wiki Games are games where you NEED a wiki or some outside source of information if you don't want to miss many important events. Elden Ring for example, as soon as you burn the tree you HAVE to revisit, pretty much, all locations just to see what might have changed. If you don't do that you will miss a lot. There are teleporters hidden in nooks and crannies that lead you to totally new zones but if you just don't come across those, you will never see them. Remnant 2 is another one of those games. There are shoot puzzles in that game that, if you don't already know that they are there, you will miss out on a bunch of boss encounters. There are no notes or any other hints, the game just expects you to know.

>>725198123
No sane person still plays tarkov

>>725196919 (OP)
I remember the only time I used a wiki when I first time I played terraria was looking up how to get feral claws

>>725197215
In the case of Terraria I already explored and figured it all out on my own without a wiki and the wiki just helps me refresh my memory because there's a fuck huge number of items I can't be bothered to keep in my permanent memory for when I do a playthrough every few years. Modded compounds this problem by doubling or tripling the numbers of items in the game so I can't complete a playthrough in a reasonable amount of time otherwise. Though a lot of this gets offloaded with mods like recipe browser and boss checklist so I don't actually need to pull up the wiki very often anymore. Fortunately, I find the hunt for items fun even if it's an essentially predetermined list of stuff I'm looking for, just because it is enjoyable to take a character from zero to hero on my own. So I don't mind using a wiki now, though I'm fortunate that the wiki was not nearly as fleshed out when I was learning the game so I could get a more authentic experience

>>725197408
>Zoomers don't like having to think
>DUDE BRO OBLIVION IS SOOOO GREAT! I LOVE IT ITS MY FAVOURITE GAME!!
>DUDE BRO SKYRIM IS SOOOOO GREAT!!!! I LOVE IT ITS MY FAVOURITE GAME!!
Those games are not zoomer games and everyone fellates the awful design with map markers and teleporting everywhere bullshit
Witcher 3 aswell, what awful trash that was, GOTY my ass

>>725196919 (OP)
It's just the manual of the modern age.

>>725198281
FIKA With a bunch of AI mods is fun

>>725196919 (OP)
the sims has no mechanics you just tell jokes and flirt untill you have a harem then you idk become an astronaut and unintall

noita is pure trial & error learning for the core-game.
all the secrets and side-stuff are wikislop though

>>725197270
Not knowing basic wand building mechanics such as cast blocks increases the chances you'll kill yourself by a thousandfold.

>>725196919 (OP)
I've never had to use a wiki for any of those games lol. People are just stupid and can't remember more than 3 things at a time these days. I blame social media and micro plastics.

>>725198231
>HAVE to
no you don't. Like all of fromsoft's games they don't expect you to find/do everything the first time. There is absolutely nothing wrong with missing out on stuff for your first playthrough.

>>725196919 (OP)
I played the Sims for ages and never used a Wiki

>>725197987
Strategy guides were the epitome of kino doe

>>725196919 (OP)
If your game needs a wiki/fextralife open on another screen then you've failed at game design.

>>725196919 (OP)
this game is 100% certified wikislop + youtubeslop

>>725197270
Absolutely not
Going through the base game is retardedly easy
If you can put together anything basic in your wand that does damage and doesnt kill you you are good to go
You dont need to kill anything but the last boss anyway

The "base" game of Noita is laughably easy but its difficult only because people find so many ways of killing themselves early
>Suicide wands
>hidden propane canister in Hiisi Base
>Acid
>Electricity
>Fire and not knowing how to douse yourself
>Drinking funny potions
>Going into the side areas and being unprepared

Kill yourself jaknigger.

>>725198419
CORRECTO

>>725196919 (OP)
>The Sims

>>725198669
>There is absolutely nothing wrong with missing out on stuff for your first playthrough.
I very much agree with that sentiment but i guarantee you 90%(yes, i'm sure it's that many) souls-game-players have the wiki or some form of guide open on a second screen and look everything up as soon as they are confronted with a choice or enter a new zone. If the internet wasn't a thing, malenia would be a myth-level secret boss that hardly anybody seen for themselves.

>>725198887
>its difficult only because people find so many ways of killing themselves early
I go through phases of playing noita and this is true, I literally can't help myself using wands with a 70% chance of killing me and with 40 hours in the game I still don't have a single clear.

>>725197215
Explain how you're supposed to know how to access the Ender Dragon without a guide.

>>725196919 (OP)
Depressed millennial burnouts in 2025: wow look at these zoomers looking up wikis hahaha they sucks
Depressed millennial burnouts as kids in 2005: mooooooooooooooom buy me the gameinformer strategy guide so I know which hidden walls to shoot to find the level exit!

>>725196919 (OP)
Of course, everyone knows that arguments that use wojaks are invincible so you need to avoid anything seen in them.

>>725198943
Why are you posting a picture of a dead fish?

>>725199008
90% is a major exaggeration and you know it but there is still a disgusting amount of people that do it.
Malenia would definitely be a more secret boss but not even close to myth levels. If you do slightly above average exploration you're going to find both medallion pieces and then all you have to do is read the item description.

>>725199235
Boomers be like
>YOOO i finally figured out from reading Nintendo Power what you need to do in Castlevania II to progress!
https://youtu.be/V4we8iFk-fY?t=286

>>725196919 (OP)
>needs a wiki for the sims
>because he doesn't know what a normal life is

>>725196919 (OP)
>terraria
>wiki
it has a wiki built in. Just ask the guide
or use your brain and learn the pattern of progression. It isn't difficult.

>>725199365
Every time one of those FOTM souls games comes out /v/, /vg/, reddit and twitch streams are full of people playing the game at the same time. Because they want to sit in a huge room with a bunch of people playing the same game and talk about it and all it takes is one guy looking up a guide posting tips and they spread from there. And no "community" is above that. They all do it.

>>725199784
the guide fucking sucks
the recipe browser and boss checklist mods should be integrated into vanilla, it basically tells you everything you need

>>725196919 (OP)
>he needs a wiki to tell him to go down, and shoot the final boss with a wand
Noita isn't wikislop, you're just a dumbfuck.

>>725196919 (OP)
I don't really vibe with it. Anything by Klei, especially Oxygen Not Included, feels like it's half expected you'll just look shit up instead of puzzle it out.

>>725196919 (OP)
I have to confess that I use wikis a lot more often these days just because I don't particularly enjoy doing uber-autistic trial playthroughs anymore. I prefer to find things out on my own for the most part, but all the number crunching and spreadsheet making for shit the game refuses to tell you gets really fucking old after a while.
A lot of those wikis tend to also be wrong btw, fextralife is especially bad about this, but it is what it is.

>>725200645
Don’t know about Oxugen Not Included but Don't Starve isn't that hard to figure out.

>Stardew Valley
>Sims
Why would you ever need a wiki for these? The rest are wiki games no matter how much fags lie and say they've never used one. Maybe you can spend the first few hours or some runs without using one but no one believes you if you ever claim to have found everything on your own.

>>725197270
I ignored the process of TRYING to make good wands and got a win through perk cheese in 8 hours. I'd recommend experimenting with making good wands though.

>>725196919 (OP)
you had to use a wiki to play stardew valley ? lol

>>725198191
Skipping item rooms for planetariums is only a thing on the most recent DLC. I don't think skipping items really benefits you unless you NEED to do so for a bossrush/hush completion mark, but the act of skipping the item room doesn't benefit you in that case.

>>725200645
Figuring out how to survive and what to do is pretty simple but the combat is a complete chore.

>>725201080
>everyone uses the wiki
Speak for yourself faggot

>>725197215
Yeah no, I'm not spending 20 hours to learn how to fucking build an engine on my summer car

>>725199019
If you're trying to not die then don't cast explosion/lightning wands unless you know exactly what they're going to do before you cast them (or if you have immunities)

>>725196919 (OP)
>now

>wiki
never used one

>>725199428
>he couldn't afford calling the official Nintendo tips hotline

>>725196919 (OP)
>play the game for 80h
>have fun learning new things and mastering mechanics
>open wiki once to check something
>suddenly the fun is over
Every fucking time.

>>725201430
half of my deaths from wands are from saw blades. I have to use them.

>>725196919 (OP)
If the mechanics aren't clearly explained to the player with exact numbers your game is dogshit

>>725201376
No one believes you.

>>725201624
>with exact numbers
You already lost before you opened a wiki

>needing a wiki for the sims
????????????????

>>725197215
Then don't make your game waste my time on stupid cryptic bullshit.

>>725198191
It's not really "tryharding". The chances for a Planetarium get a lot higher with certain items so if you get them it's worth considering skipping them since Planetarium items are generally amazing. It's just item knowledge like the rest of the game. And if you're ascending, you can even collect the rooms you skipped anyway. Beyond that, the Planetarium can be a consolation prize if you end up not having a key for the treasure room and are forced to skip. Or if you're speedrunning for marks and don't want to take the time to find it.

>>725201631
People believe whatever they want to believe.

>>725198231
by your definition, everything with a optional area which isn´t shown to the player, preferably by first having the camera pan over, then having a marker and lastly getting a message from your own personal johnny silverhand where this optional area is, is a wiki game.

thank god i lived through the golden era of games where having day 1 wikis, forums or discord groups making walk instructions for the plebs, wasn´t mandatory to enjoy this game.

>elden ring is a wiki game because the world isn´t 100% static and has some if scripts. lmao.

>>725197215
because those games were designed like that. don't complain about people playing as intended

>>725201624
The best kind is when the game explains mechanics incorrectly.

>>725202045
It's not healthy to believe your own lies.

A wiki is just a more autistic manual

>>725197215
>just stand on every square foot of the map for 5 minutes each bro, it's so simple!
There's no in-game lore that tells you where this is btw, you cannot find this without meta knowledge.
https://remnant2.wiki.fextralife.com/Old+Flute

>>725202156
It totally depends on the amount of secret content and whether or not the game is hinting at it. In DA Origins there is a dragon boss fight in orzammar that the game never explicitly mentions but as soon as you interact with the puzzle pieces it becomes obvious that it's a puzzle. The statues that you need to shoot to trigger the boss in Remnant 2 offer no feedback at all and the bosses just appear. That is where i draw the line.

>>725196919 (OP)
Funger can't be a Wiki game because it has tricks that specifically prey on you not knowing something until it fucks you over.

>>725196919 (OP)
Minecraft was the original wikislop
Like nigga how were you supposed to discover how to craft a Redstone Repeater

>>725198365
what is best game?

>>725196919 (OP)
>tfw no offline wiki built-in to the game
it cant be that hard to steal public content

>>725202791
Hmm, is Miquellas Haligtree Medalion before or after your aribtrary line?

>>725196919 (OP)
What I hate about this is how much fandom gets with their cancer ads everytime they check the wikis

>>725205619
Most good games have their own wiki.gg or self host one.
>stardew valley
their own .com
>terraria
wiki.gg
>noita
wiki.gg
>DF
their own .org
>funger
wiki.gg
>the sims
fandom. Need I say more?

>>725198204
I never opened noita wiki and its clear from in-game wands that a wand that has per-shot effect combined with chainsaw spell is broken AF.
BUT you have to play for longer than 3 hours to find out.

>>725205612
To be honest i don't remember anymore. I think i had one half, got the elevator, couldn't do anything and just moved on. And by the time i picked up the second half i had forgotten about the elevator and never returned? I don't want or need on screen markers for that game but i would have loved some sort of quest or event log or just something that goes "hey, dumbass, you just picked up a key item. *hint*hint*" Either that or it's a legit secret.

>>725196919 (OP)
Whoever made this image has never played The Sims.

Anyone who thinks Terraria is a wiki game is retarded. Simple as that.

>>725198123
What's worse, you can mark the REAL btr wheels and it will STILL fail you.

>>725197408
Mindbroken. Stop seething about the existence of people younger than you retard

>>725196919 (OP)
>slopdew valley
>wiki
just farm, you dumbfuck

>>725197215
I've been playing games for my whole life. I've already done that a 1000 times. There is nothing to gain for me for figuring out obscure stuff myself. Sometimes I just want to get it over with and move on.

>>725207192
But it doesnt tell you how to activate the events

>just aim around the whole map aimlessly at different dates and time until you see it you dumbfuck!!

>>725209357
Yes, you will eventually run into things.

>>725196919 (OP)
>terraria
bloatslop

/v/ wants you to beat the game by buying a 60 dollar videogame guide from 2002.

>>725196919 (OP)
What the fuck is the sims doing in there?

>>725196919 (OP)
Yeah
I fucking hate games that expects you to play the game with the wiki open
Fuck Elden Ring

>terraria
>didn't use the guide
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE A RETARDED NIGGER OP!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

>>725199023
The only thing that wasn't sufficiently clear was Nether portals. There were no indications that you could arrange obsidians in that specific manner and light it to reach the Nether. That was fixed with the ruined portals, though. Everything else was trial and error and trying to mix things. Eventually you'd get an Eye of Ender, and use it and eventually get to a Stronghold, and be smart enough to try using the Eye in the thing it's leading you to.

>the sims is a wiki game
>fart and unfun is a wiki game
I mean thats just wrong. Even me despising Fear and Hunger as a game its far from a wiki game

>>725196919 (OP)
Games should have resources within them and not require you to read about things outside them.

>>725197215
It’s either that or I refund your stupid ass game

>>725197215
R

>>725196919 (OP)
This sounds like a very specific problem

Wikiwarriors always get silenced when you point out that a competent player figured out the information that was oh so "obscure" and contributed to the wiki for you to mindlessly follow.

>>725216954
Except wikis are run by multiple people with a ton of time on their hands. I am one person nigger.

>>725197215
If you're only gimmick is discovery and the consequence is restarting from the beginning, then add RNG into the mix, I just can't be asked to waste time and flip coins.

>>725197270
simply keep going down until you kill the boss doesnt require guide. everything else does however.

>>725196919 (OP)
>>725216954
>Just learn mathematics without using books/internet

I don't know if I'd call noita a wiki game because its pretty reasonable to expect to beat it without ever looking anything up.
If

>>725217643
arabs did it

>>725217720
But can (You) do it on your own?

>>725217802
yeah

>>725196919 (OP)
Always has been. There should be no wikis, there should be no guides, there shouldn't even be any tutorials in the game. You should find out everything yourself, and just live with not finding/getting everything if you can't do that.

>>725196919 (OP)
...the sims?

>>725196919 (OP)
Its not bad perse but a game its incredibly enhanced when all its learning resources are in-game.

>>725216954
Fwiw, a fair amount of that comes from code diving depending on the game. If not that, it can take months of effort from multiple people to get a good read on some things. This obviously doesn't apply to retarded shit anyone can do like finding X item or activating Y event, but it does matter for things you have to plan around in advance like builds and certain RNG mechanics.

nobody is forcing you to use a wiki bro

>>725197215
It depends on the game. Elite Dangerous is so autistic that many veteran players find out about things through forums.

>>725197215
Correction

Spending time on a wiki to read lore is NPC behavior.