Thread 725210434

>Death metal Half-Life in space
This game fucking rocks.
Why did uncs get filtered by it so hard?

>>725210434 (OP)
we've been over this. its a great game but not a great DOOM game

because it’s awful

the middle is quite tedious and samey

The level design is horrible. It's just corridors with enemies that teleport behind you.

Game rocks, only cowards hated it.

>>725210608
doom fans would only be happy if id made the same boring boomer shooter for 30 years straight

>>725210434 (OP)
half life 2 raped it

>>725214494
john romero understood this and did exactly that

>>725210434 (OP)
Shut the fuck up, most of you niglets didn't even play the actual game with the flashlight as a melee weapon instead of something you can just toggle on and off.

>>725214914
nobody played the bfg edition anon and nobody looks for mods for their first playthrough

>>725214718
that's why he hasn't produced anything notable in a quarter century

>>725214494
Doom fans decided doom peaked with brutal doom.

>>725215035
Aren't all the currently available versions more or less based on the BFG edition? Or did they take the flashlight out from the modern version?

>>725212705
Skill issue.

>>725215035
I need muh 120fps.

>>725216360
https://dhewm3.org/

>>725216226
Steam version of BFG edition comes pre-packaged with the originals, flashlight included. That’s what I played.

>>725216442
He removed it aaaaaaages ago and the pull request for working >60 is still ongoing as playtesting is finding loads of bugs.

>>725210434 (OP)
This game mogs the fuck out of Dark Ages so hard.

>>725214494
Lmao fr.

>>725210434 (OP)
You mean the base game or just the expansion?

>>725216813
both

>>725216602
Well yeah but most people would probably play the "improved" version instead of the original even if it's bundled.

>>725214718
Only after leaving id to make a weeb version of quake with the medium's worst squad ai ever

>>725214108
Replayed this game last week. Stressful as fuck in the best way. Sensory overload with all the demonic screeches and mechanical noises going on the whole time. I don't think any other game I've played has a better soundscape. Also the best depiction of hell in any of the Doom games to this day (imo)

>>725210434 (OP)
that reminds me that i still have to play phobos

>>725210434 (OP)
It wasn't doom. You wouldn't get it lil cub.

Why are zoomers trying to push the narrative that every single bad game that's been shit on in the past is actually good?

>>725220009
fr fr

DOOM 3 IST KRIEG

>>725220009
t. Boomer who got a cardiac arrest from an imp screaming
Keep playing Doom 1 mods lil bro, pressing anything but arrow keys, control and dodging projectiles moving at 1 pixel per minute is too hard for you anyways.

>>725221371
Doom 3 is slow paced, zoomer addled jump scares. Doom 1/2 is fast paced, high precision aiming played at at a thumping temp as the predecessors to quake they are.

>>725210434 (OP)
When Doom 3 took inspiration from Half Life, it was a defeat for Western video games as a whole, as they bowed down to Western idiocy, where apparently the only way for a game to be "good" is if it tries to be a movie.

>>725214593
Half Life 2 was a glorified tech demo that spectacularly missed the point of what made the original good.

>>725221243
Even since I played dr muto I always check the toilet in games for poop, I don't know why but I just have to make sure, you know?

>>725221972
'cuz the black guy did it the dirty fuck

>>725222067
how can you tell

>>725222194
He is the last - and only - person you see leave the toilet before you find that monster.

>>725221664
The walking speed is fast but neither the enemies nor their projectiles are. The whole reason why you walk fast in the first place is because every room is a giant empty space, otherwise it would be even more of a boring slog to play.

>>725215754
Try complex clusterfuck or god complex.

>>725223140
>le youtube opinion face
It is well known brutal doom (and now project brutality) is doom perfected - to the point it is a key inspiration for 2016 and later eternal.

>>725210608
I agree with this. I loved it when it came out, it IS boring and easy (especially once you realize the shotgun is incredible if you treat it as a melee weapon) but the atmosphere and presentation are awesome. I can hear the gunfire and panicked screams of the radio during the first few levels in my head.

The flashlight complaints are overwrought, you only fight in total darkness twice in the game and both times you have a moving light source you are intended to stay near.

>>725219212
>Also the best depiction of hell in any of the Doom games to this day (imo)
I prefer the more abstract eyeballs, glowing sigils and walls of fleshy faces presentation in the original games, but 3 is vastly superior to 2016 which just presents it as the Grand Canyon but more orange with barely any gore or demonic shit in it. The pit you maneuver around with the black balls of souls screaming out of it is cemented in my mind.

>>725220009
Go back to the Gaylo general you fucking faggot.

>>725210434 (OP)
'tards didn't know how good they had it. A horror-themed Half-Life/PREY is a great game and I regret taking as long as I did to play it.

>>725210608
>we've been over this. its a great game but not a great DOOM game
I still can't decide if this is a perfectly valid or total dogshit line of reasoning.

>>725223524
I think it's a valid point, people say the same thing with RE4 and SotN, and I get it. It's radically different from previous games in the same series, but still good on it's own right.

>>725223140
Try METADoom

>>725210434 (OP)
>half life
That's the problem. Half life is just a different kind of game from Doom. Doom fans wanted a Doom game.
Then again, 2016 and eternal seem to have made people happy? Though they seem to be a lot more like quake but I guess that builds on doom anyway.

>>725223894
2016 came out when there were literally no good singleplayer fps (though the retro fps craze was just around the corner) and eternal has fun gameplay that makes it good despite the arena design, not because of it
>like quake
I suppose it's more like quake than like doom but the nudoom games are arena shooters like painkiller

>>725224427
2016 was marketed towards retards who had never played a moderately fast paced shooter before, the kind of person that would be awe struck by that "If Quake was done today" video. The memetic rip and tear Doomguy based off the comic going viral helped too.

>>725223630
RE4 is a bad RE game and a bad game in general. Only tendies argue otherwise because of muh 'cube release being the best for years.

>>725224584
>baseless assertion
>consolewar retardation
Epic

>>725224662
>t. mad at reality

>>725224584
>RE4 is bad
The fucking state of this board, man

>>725224583
Doesn't matter, there were literally no good singleplayer fps in the 10s until d44m alongside amid evil and dusk hit the scene, I remember this like it was yesterday because it's my favourite genre (retro shooters specifically)

>>725224758
It was controversial at it's release, especially on here, due to the changes, but that's unrelated to it being good or bad and his reply is brainless retardation that has nothing to do with the argument.

>>725210434 (OP)
shit game

>>725224787
>Rise of the Triad Remake 2013
>Shadow Warrior Remake 2013
>Singularity 2010
>Bulletstorm 2011
>Serious Sam 3 2011
>Hard Reset 2011

Can we all agree that the doom 3 pistol is the worst pistol in all of FPS vidya? It sounds less menancing than a .22. AND THE SHOTGUN SUCKS

>>725225135
All shit except the 2013 shadow warrior which was more of a first person melee game

>>725225135
>slop
Proves the point.

>>725210434 (OP)
my memories of doom 3:
>get pistol
>pistol feels absolutely awful to use, like fallout new vegas weaponry tier of awful to use
>whenever anything touches you or hits you, the entire screen blurs and flinches in a really jarring way
>shotgun looks and sounds cool but inexplicably takes between 1 and 4 shots to kill an imp and the number is completely random because the pellet spread is random (unless you're standing chest-to-chest in which case it's one shot)
>the recoil of the submachine gun somehow produces a worse effect to your screen and your aiming than being shot or grabbed by a demon does
>environmental variety is suprisingly poor, need to play what feels like 6-7 levels that feel the exact same before getting a level that takes you through the surface
>game can't stop with the "the imp is waiting right behind the door and lunges at you as soon as it opens and you can't avoid it" shit
>uninstall

>>725225135
>two remakes and a bunch of shovelware
oh yeah
truly a great decade for fps

/r/ shooters like picrel

>>725225368
the submachinegun is a freaking laser beam in accuracy though. It's your best weapon until plasma and gatling.

>>725210434 (OP)
>dark hallways the game

>>725210434 (OP)
I liked it more than h2 but it could have been better.
>bigger emphasis on hell taking over the base
>larger hell levels
>less jumpscares, especially after the initial outbreak
>more enemies

>>725225368
skill issue

>>725210434 (OP)
it feels like shit to play
i will not bother to articulate my opinion, i've discussed this game to death on all kinds of forums where people picked apart exactly why the combat and the game flow of the campaign just sucks, i've been through all that

this game is liked for its aesthetics and the idea behind it and the mood, but as a shooter it's a slog to play and even worse to replay

Quake 4 and prey did it better. Pity, because I liked D3's atmosphere,
>that radio chatter at the start
>the silence after

>>725219435
Imagine playing Doom 3 with so many enemies you can actually die if you're not careful. In areas bigger than a hallway.
Phobos is great, It's much better than the original+expansion for the most part, except it has way too much hl2-esque unskippable story bullshit which while actually not amateur, is not what I'm there for. It also doesn't even pretend to be a horror game.

>>725225669
Really? I always found the shooting meaty and satisfying, I would deliberately pull out my fists when melee zombies were around and box them into bits.

>>725225765
Quake IV suffers from a terrible intro where you are too damn slow to avoid enemy attacks (because they are designed around your later Stroggified speed) and have to sit through the longest turret sequence in history.

>>725226160
>a terrible intro where you are too damn slow
Funny, that's the part I liked the most. Going from some pseudo tacticool scifi shooter to proper quake with a railgun felt amazing and made me think D3 should have done the same.

Agree with the turrets though.

>>725214494
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE MORE OF A GOOD GAME, YOU MUST CHANGE EVERYTHING UP OVER AND OVER
no thanks rabbi

>>725210434 (OP)
it gets too repetitve
the whole game's loop is: locked door... look for key.. kill monsters... use key... repeat

and the light should be on the guns
and the music should be more like doom1 and 2

>>725224816
>especially on here
Oh yeah, a little basketweaving anonymous image board forum that formed in October 2003 was some true and amazing voice on a January 2005 game when the internet was still forming.

>>725210434 (OP)
play doom3 in vr, it works so well

>>725216307
Not him but the whole game is easy as fuck. There's a health station around every other corner

Theme is amazing
https://youtu.be/SzI7DLR0DPU

>>725225297
Every gun in Doom 3 sucks except the Plasma Rifle and Chaingun

>>725220009
they're not, it's sharty
one of their most used raiding tactics is to say the worst game in a franchise is actually the best
Fallout 3 seems to be the favorite since they can spam gigachads and shitjaks and receive 500 replies without ever getting their thread nuked

>>725221909
>Half Life 2 was a glorified tech demo
The face animations and water just shat all over idtech4

>OH boy another corridor
>I sure hope no imp will spawn right behind me
>Imp spawns right behind me
>Repeat until the end of the game

>>725227615
Why are these people allowed to exist?

Doom 3 shotgun is waaaaaaaaaaay to OP.

>>725210434 (OP)
Because muh flashlight and muh pda

>>725220009
They're upset about being late to the party on all the actual classics so they need to rewrite the narrative on other games.

>>725227615
>that pic
Unironic jidf playbook with a very intentional target. I'd be curious as to how many of these mentally ill discord "raid groups" are backed by intelligence agencies for the express purpose of shitting up discussion here.

>>725228019
>oh wow an empty room I sure hope nothing spawns when I walk in or pick up an item haha
Doom 1 and 2 were the same shit

>>725227615
>pretend to be a leftist/tranny
Yeah...pretend...sure thing.

I'm just going to say it: I never really liked Doom.

>>725227615
>that pic
Holy mental illness batman

>>725216958
Daikatana is actually pretty good with the fan patch.

>>725228406
At least with those the monster closets open immediately. With Doom 3 you almost always have a 10 second warning before a demon materializes

>>725223524
It's retarded. Basically just saying it's a good game, but it is not like my subjective interpretation of how previous games in the franchise were and what I think is a core aspect of them. It doesn't really say anything unless you already agree with them, at which point there's not much point saying it. But this is being pedantic too, I guess.

>>725228038
The mods refuse to ban them.

>>725210434 (OP)
Quake 4 is what Doom 3 should have been.

>>725228038
null's a retard and keeps paying for their servers

>>725228038
No one has shot them IRL yet like charlie kirk was done by, also >>725229758 even if the mods did ban them the faggots who intentionally shit up this board (as opposed to unintentionally, due to retardation) have enough 'tism that they'd just try to bypass IP or regional bans and then they'd be back to the usual suspect routines in 10 minutes or less.

>>725230150
quake 4 is doom 3 from temu

>>725210434 (OP)
>Why did uncs get filtered by it so hard?
are you braindead? DOOM is one of the best franchises of the all time. Granted it ended with the second part, the DOOM II and modders, but still. Going strong for almost 40 years now.

>>725223524
The only way it makes sense is that people don't have perfect information (even more so in 2004) and bought the game without doing autistic research to find out it's a different subgenere from what they expected. However for a release as big as doom 3 the argument is only valid for the first month and should never be mentioned again.

lmao doom

>>725223524
doom 1 and 2 were basically the same game but with improvements and the devs said that was their intention because they wanted to please the fans who loved doom 1. doom 3 was their 3d and realistic interpretation of doom and dom 1/2 fans were upset it wasnt like doom 1/2. Honestly i felt like the fast sections hwre you had a lot of enemies on you and they were spawning in all over the level coming from every direction was fast paced enough, especially on hard.

also the lack of flashlight gun attachment filtered the fuck out of some people psychologically on release.

>>725227107
Sure, it was in 1993. Its boring as shit now

>>725210434 (OP)
The shotgun is poorly named. If it were a captive bolt gun no one would complain about it being a melee weapon that looks and sounds like a gun.

>>725221909
So was Doom 3. Hl2 did all that with better tech than ran more efficiently while playing better.

>>725215035
I have only ever beaten Doom 3 with the duct tape mod.

>>725216721
Your average Doom megawad mogs the fuck out of the dark ages.

I hate how NuDoom just made Hell another alien planet instead of ACTUAL demons

>>725223393
Having a shotgun be a melee is still the dumbest decision, regardless of whether or not it works mechanically.

>>725227138
>the whole game's loop is: locked door... look for key.. kill monsters... use key... repeat
Have you ever played Doom before?

>>725219212
Nah honestly Hell in Doom Dark Ages was better tho I know this is controversial cus no one here played up to that point and its not a scary game. But genuenly found the hell level more intimidating than in 3.

>>725220009
They're scraping the bottom of the barrel because modern games suck

It's mediocre and not really worth talking about.

Half life 2 is innovative dog doo doo
>Terrible guns
>terrible ai
>game is obsessed with showing you quaint physics bullshit
>only good part is the war part before the citadel

>>725210434 (OP)
I thought it was great

>>725216307
Yeah a skill issue on the part of the dogshit level designers

>>725210434 (OP)
more like brutal doom..

>>725220009
Because they watch some 3 hours YouTube video titled
>How X was actually a misunderstood masterpiece
And then turn that into their whole personality

>>725220009
I mean, it's not just zoomers, it's been a thing since at least the 80s/90s they just call them "cult" classics

>>725245710
meant to say for TV and films

>>725210434 (OP)
kys retard
doom 3 was fine

>>725221664
When i was a kid, I played that shit slow cause it was scary af (og doom).

Doom 3 was so fucking on point for me - the natural progression of OG doom. It wasnt until years later that I started reading that most people, including the designers, zipped around full tilt like nut-bags. I had no idea

>>725215484
Hes been making Doom wads

>>725214494
>you MUST change a thing I don't care about!!

>>725220009
OLD GOOD NEW BAD

>>725248001
I cared about it when I was 9, but that doesn't mean I want them to make the same game over and over forever.

>>725210434 (OP)
>>725214108
>Doom 3 is a terrifying sci-fi game experience
Its not. After you realize all of the horror comes from blood on the walls, every door has an imp ready to pounce at you, and more cheap jumpscares it just annoying. Also the shotgun sucks ass.

>>725210434 (OP)
Doom 3 is way better than nudoom. One of my favorite games.

>>725220009
Zoomers previously pretended to be oldfags and tried to get into old shit as an attempt to earn the respect of their elders. But they were retarded about it and brought their usual black and white thinking and revisionist nonsense into it, and so got told to fuck off. Realizing they blew their chance to get respect from anyone older than them, they're now throwing a generation-wide temper tantrum and spamming contrarian revisionism on anything they think is millennial/Gen X consensus. So that thing people loved is shit, that thing people hated is great, up is down and down is up and every opinion held in the past was actually fake, unc.

>>725210434 (OP)
I feel like Doom 3 ResurrectionofEVIL figured out what the gameplay should be with this style of Doom. It was great

>>725245710
Cult classics are usually fiancial failures that got cultural success later rather than cultural failures that had opinions 180 on them over time

>>725220009
someone made a good point in that when a game comes out and people shit on it the general consensus is it's a bad game but over time the stragglers who latch onto the widely panned game are those who personally liked it but are the last ones around who even bother to remember it let alone talk about which makes them the majority talking heads on it, with this era of algorithm pushing you'll see them say it was just missunderstood/treated unfairly and it pretty much rewrites history

>>725219212
>I don't think any other game I've played has a better soundscape.
Condemned is a runner up but yeah Doom 3 has unparalleled sound design. It's a must play even for that alone.

boomp

the last boss is not great

>>725251021
Nobody cares about you unc

>>725220009
Because vocally online retards during the 2000s had dogshit taste in both games and movies. They were quintessential redditors and overlapped significantly with New Atheists.

Doom 3 was good. The Star Wars prequels were good. Seethe about it.

>>725251021
>Zoomers previously pretended to be oldfags and tried to get into old shit
Thanks Bethesda and that dogshit Doom game for this. It was the gate for the virus that is now ruining almost every retro community.

>Resurrection of Evil thread
>no gushing about the Bruiser's design
Frauds all of you.

>>725230284
Null's paying for their server fees? don't they hate his site as well?

bump

>>725210434 (OP)
Doom 3 is and always will be kino.

>>725210608
>things said only by slaughtermap fans
Doom 3 was what Doom 1 would have been if the tech were there in '93. The Doom Bible even discusses the design as such.

>>725223524
Half the people saying it are the types who have only played slaughtermaps and other retarded shit in source ports with mouselook where you can zip around at hyperspeed.