Thread 725215672

What were they thinking?

"let's make some heckin jank-kino mit sovl"

They thought their audience were the least bit hardcore and not soft retarded baby's whining about not being able to run past enemies and iframe through fogwalls.

Let's make Dark Souls again, but better.

>>725215672 (OP)
I have four Old Whips now. It's a lot of Old Whips.

>>725215672 (OP)
Team b at fromsoft was told to make a soulslike and created the to this day worst of them without competition. It perfectly encapsulates what the issue is with brandcucks that always assume a studio will put out good games, because they did so in the past even when the people in important positions are nearly all different and are just sporting the name.

>>725215672 (OP)
Genuine the last good Dark souls that felt like an actual adventure rpg and I'm so sick of ds3 apologists beside it commiting the same sins every faggot whines about

>>725215672 (OP)
Why are midwits so easily filtered by DS2? It's objectively the best Souls experience.

>we're gonna make the greatest sequel of all time!
>-wait scratch that... let's change a bunch of shit right at the end for no reason lmao
I hate bamco

>>725215672 (OP)
>let's make a sequel to Dark Souls that's actually a good time instead of dash slop like Troonborne and DS3

>>725217969
>>-wait scratch that... let's change a bunch of shit right at the end for no reason lmao
Genuine what the fuck happened. Did they seriously make the entire light engine and game without ever testing it on console first or something?

>>725215672 (OP)
>We want the FOMO, "le heckin' hard game" audience
The Souls series was a victim of its own hype, and the hype was for the wrong reasons.
I don't know why DS2 fans are the most insecure fanbase in gaming, when their game isn't even bad, but DS2 threads are always just group therapy sessions about how misunderstood it is, and how everyone who doesn't like it is retarded and gay. Not even 20 posts in and this thread is already like that.
DS1 will always be better.

>>725215672 (OP)
"Let's make Kino"

>>725215672 (OP)
They wanted to make a sequel, but didn't realize that the fanbase only wanted Dark Souls 1 rehashed for the rest of time.

>>725215672 (OP)
it was jank but sovlful. should've sticked with ds2's direction instead. bossrush is getting a little stale

>>725218389
Matthewmatosis' video and the early criticism of the vanilla game deeply affects them to this day, that is why. There is literally a channel dedicated to 'debunking' DS2 criticism. No other Souls game has this kind of thing.

>>725218389
Pretty ironic to write a whole post whining like this and to then show your insecurity by being unable to not praise DS1 for no reason.

>>725215672 (OP)
>Dark Souls but good
>"N-no!" screamed the fanboys

>>725218389
>Dick Shart 3 and Bloodbored
Every time.

>>725222071
Seething

Dark Souls 2 is the best game in the series and honestly, the best game of all time, but I don't care about proving this any longer. People are dogmatic retards. They don't grasp the same reality as we DS2 fans do. They live in their cuckoo world filled with cuckoo ideas. Let them.

>>725222337
Anyone who likes Pooborne can be safely ignored.

>>725222518
>Dark Souls 2 is the best game in the series and honestly, the best game of all time
I love DS2 but let's calm the fuck down a little.

>>725222523
>spam L2
i only need to hold L2 once though

>>725222714
I love when Shitborne trannies admit they didn't even beat the game lmao

>>725222742
settle down sperg, i confuses R2 with L2

>>725222842
>fucked up
>quickly Googled it
>OH FUCK OH SHIT OH FUCKING SHIT FUCK SHIT
>s-s-settle down s-sperg, I m-merely misspoke h-hehe

>>725215672 (OP)
>"How do we create a cult classic?"

>>725215672 (OP)
Tranny game

DSI & III are pathetically short compared to II and therefore boring.
that snow DLC for III is even humiliating tier of short

>>725215672 (OP)
"Let's make third person King's Field"

They just made a video game and didn't think their audience would cry about something so fucking stupid.

>>725215672 (OP)
Still better than Elden Ring, but that's really not saying much.

>>725217969
>>725218339
Are you two retarded or merely pretending. You've had a decade to learn the hows and whys.

>>725222924
fuck you nigger, i beat the game and i liked it, i never even spammed L2 because i was carrying my hand cannon and larping as powderkeg

>>725223657
>used a cheap shitter weapon

>>725217969
>>725218339
Its two things.
First is that originally the game was being made by Shibuya and Tanimura.
But halfway through development Miyazaki, how was busy working on Bloodborne, came in to take a look at it, deemed that what the team had made was not up to his standards and dropped Shibuya, instead having Tanimura salvage the game under his direct supervision.
This meant massive pivots halfway through development, the cutting of the original time travel gimmick, and a lot of moving parts around to fit the new design.

The lighting issue was mostly separate thing that can be summed up as them being told to make a version that still worked on 7th gen hardware alongside the 8th gen, leading to the lighting being cut.

>>725222523
>reductionist shitpost

>>725223929
>no argument
Every time.

>>725223980
BB has the best weapon variety in the series with the best movesets, no one is spamming anything unless you are bad at the game

>>725224293
>best weapon variety
>like 8 weapons
Bloodboredtrannies love making shit up at usual.

>>725224383
>26 mostly distinct weapons vs one hundred weapons with mostly copypasted movesets

>>725224467
>26
Kek this stupid troon is counting weapon "transformations" as separate weapons.
>mostly copypasted movesets
Why are Bloodboredtroons always retards who have only ever played Troonborne?

>>725224546
>stupid troon is counting weapon "transformations" as separate weapons.
I'm not. There are factually 26 melee weapons in BB
https://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Weapons
>Why are Bloodboredtroons always retards who have only ever played Troonborne?
Its the truth. You have to be a retard to think most Souls weapons unique and don't have significant overlap. Its a fact that its much easier to balance a dozen or so weapons than it is to balance over a hundred.

>>725224293
Not the other guy, but obviously DS2 has the best weapon variety whether you like the game or not.

>>725224805
>Fextralife
Not giving your tranny Twitch stream any extra views, shill.

>>725223806
>"shit game, is all about spam"
>"NOOOOOOO DONT PLAY THE GANE LIKE THAT! IT DOESNT COUNT!"
kys retard

>>725224936
>brown clown thinks everyone is the same person

>>725224841
I personally disagree but yeah DS2 does have a lot of weapons. BB's weapons have some of the best designs and really cool moves
>>725224842
>he can't count

>>725225037
>he's mad that I will continue ignoring the existence of his shitty Twitch tranny wiki and shitting on Objectively Badborne

>>725215672 (OP)
you guys are insane, dark souls 2 is the best game in the series BY MILES im tired of you fucks pretending its not, stop lying.

>>725224994
>"NOOO DONT PLAY THE GAME LIKE THAT! IT DOESNT COUNT!"
there, fixed just for you, retarded faggot

>>725225152
NUH UH IT'S BLOODBORNE *dilates furiously*

>>725225119
>claimed BB only had 8 weapons
>gets proven wrong
>proceeds to shit himself and scream about trannies
I accept your concession.

>>725225190
>using cheap shitter weapons made for babbies who can't actually play the game doesn't count
Yeah.

>>725225238
>Brownborne troon thinks shitty trick weapons gives the game variety
Kek.

>>725225037
You can't really disagree with powerstancing, unique powerstancing, weapon category movesets being blended together, almost entirely unique movesets like the whip sword or Majestic GS, unique effects on weapons, etc being in the game. DS2 almost certainly wins numerically.

>>725225485
Yeah I can because CHADborne is better. Suck my dick.

The video game equivalent of a lukewarm glass of milk. I've never played anything so tedious, bland, and uninspired.

>>725225704
>Shitborne out of nowhere

>>725225421
>weapons with functionally unique and distinct movesets that have a much bigger emphasis on mobility and offense than last games have no variety
(You)
>>725225485
In terms of how weapons interact with enemies, BB wins out

>>725225859
>In terms of how weapons interact with enemies, BB wins out
Kek this retard is completely out of arguments but he won't give up

>>725225734
This is a Dark Souls 2 thread, retard.

>>725225947
Shoo shoo shitposter

>>725226152
>got dismantled
>Y-YOU'RE A SHITPOSTER
Very brown of you.

>>725225152
The only thing DS2 does better than the rest without question is builds. Everything else is done better by other games

>>725215672 (OP)
>What were they thinking?
They made a lot of changes based on dark souls 1 feedback.

Common criticisms of dark souls 1
>you can just run by all the enemies its stupid!
>you can just circle strafe everything its stupid!
>im dodging into the attacks it looks cheesy, the game should encourage positioning and avoiding attacks!

Fixes in dark souls 2
>enemies follow you to the ends of the earth, and fog doors dont give i-frames
>way more enemies track you so you cant circle strafe them or have anti circle strafe moves
>removed natural i-frames and balanced bosses around positioning so you no longer need i-frames and can mostly use rolls for literally avoiding attacks.

>>725226243
what am I looking at here?

>>725215672 (OP)
Dark Souls 2 is the most boring game in From Software's history
There isn't a single weapon that's fun to use
Every single one of them feels like smacking a cardboard box with a stick, it's so dogshit
Game has cool atmosphere, but that's it

>>725226689
>the most boring game in From Software's history
But enough about Turdborne.

>>725226751
If Bloodborne had only one weapon it it, it would still be better than Dark Souls 2, because at least combat using that weapon would be fun
There isn't a single weapon in Dark Souls 2 that feels good to use

>>725226903
maybe u just suck?

>>725223868
>>725223325
>>725223328
What was DS2's original vision like before the downgrades?

>>725227001
just because you are doing acrobatics while hitting a cardboard box with a wet noodle doesn't mean it feels good or powerful
again, there isn't a single weapon in dark souls 2 that feels good to use, game has horrible, weightless animations and zero feedback on it's weapons

>>725226903
Shitborne's combat is spammy garbage.

>>725215672 (OP)
A game punished for being too kino

>>725227187
>w-well I COULD do that b-but it wouldn't feel good
Kek, Shitborneshitters

>>725227191
every single from softwares game is spammy garbage
but at least they feel good to play, unlike bore souls 2

post your weaponfu

>>725215850
Its the easiest game in the series

>>725227259
of course it wouldn't, there isnt a single weapon in the game that feels good to use

>>725227283
>Shitbornetrannies are coping so hard they have to pretend that all Souls games play like their garbage DMC knockoff
The only one that plays like Shitborne is DS3, and it sucks cock too.

>>725227310
And the best one, too. Because hard doesn't mean good. I wonder when From will understand this again.

>>725215672 (OP)
They cooked a kinotastic experience

>>725227365
>I am shit at the game so it's bad
I understand Shitbornetranny, you can't spam R1 at mobs to recover lost health so you hate the game because it's not casual slop

>>725226428
It also does level design and gimmick bosses better than the rest of the series. Plus almost everything better than DS1, but the world is not ready for the truth.

>>725215672 (OP)
"hory shitteru, gameu rerease in fiveo montho and notto even halfu finishe!, and consore ront runnu shin-rightingo engine above juu-go efo peeo esso!!!"

>>725227295
Still the coolest fist weapon in the series

>>725226903
Its baffling that FS didn't bring back trick weapons in some form. Elden ring is essentially DS3 but on steroids

>>725226539
some no-life picking on a new player because he'd get his ass handed to him if he fought people around his own experience level

>>725218389
Demon's Souls was not that good.

>>725215672 (OP)
B team made it while Miyazaki was working Bloodborne.

>>725228430
You never played it, brown TikTok zoomer.

>>725227295
I'm a simple man

>>725215672 (OP)
How to make a sequel that tries to stand on its own, be it narratively or mechanically. It succeeded where DaSIII utterly failed at. I genuinely, unironically, wholeheartedly love Dark Souls II, warts and all; I love the more personal presentation of the story, with the BotC being a random undead that gets to Drangelic to try and keep his sanity. I love the return of the hub waifu with the Emerald Herald, and how she's relevant to the plot and you end up learning more about her existence, up to her real name and everything. I love learning about Vendrick and Aldia, their war with the giants, and Nashandra's role in it all. I love the way the curse is treated in a more personal, "grounded" manner with characters like Lucatiel where it's less about "you go zombie" and more about losing your mind, slowly forgetting what's most important to you. I love exploring the downfall of the neighboring kingdoms, each giving you a piece of the final puzzle where you escape the cycle. I love how it feels the most "King's Field"-ish of all Souls due to its dev team having people that worked on them. I love the weird, obtuse, hidden mechanics like the giant ant underground that heals poison but breaks your equipment, the invisible armor set you can only obtain by spending money on the Majula merchant until he's rich then returning to him with 0 souls, Artorias' sword having a unique moveset only if you wield it with your left hand, or Santier's Spear's true potential only being unlocked if you make use of item durability to break the statue stuck on its handle; all details which scream "schoolyard videogame rumor".

It's an ufinished mess of a game that's nevertheless better than anything that came after it sans BB. An unironic cult classic.
https://youtu.be/NgRfdFxdTCU

Fuck it, I think it's time to play some DS2, does anyone have one of those roll images? I'm not sure what I'd like to build this time around