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Best JRPG party ever made
Anonymous No.725277210 [Report] >>725278718
Nah Chrono Trigger's is better.
Soz.
Anonymous No.725277245 [Report] >>725280186 >>725281432 >>725283153 >>725284884
>>725277142 (OP)
Cait Sith is fucking awful in Rebirtth, Cid was ruined. Cant even play as him or Vincent yet.
Anonymous No.725277316 [Report] >>725277363 >>725278424
>>725277142 (OP)
Stupid dog not facing the camera
Anonymous No.725277363 [Report]
>>725277316
t. eustace bagge
Anonymous No.725278071 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
Nah.
Cloud hard carries.
Anonymous No.725278219 [Report] >>725278248 >>725279203 >>725286116 >>725287541 >>725294257 >>725294974
>>725277142 (OP)
I'll buy anything, no matter how shit, if these characters are in it. Anyone else feel the same way?
Anonymous No.725278248 [Report]
>>725278219
Me
Anonymous No.725278343 [Report] >>725279932 >>725280943
>>725277142 (OP)
Not even the best ff party, ff4 clears them
Anonymous No.725278424 [Report]
>>725277316
In his defense his other eye is gone.
Anonymous No.725278718 [Report] >>725278808 >>725286097
>>725277210
Lucca and Marle are trash.
Anonymous No.725278808 [Report] >>725279116
>>725278718
Lucca's techs rule, which means her dual techs do as well.

Marle has haste and life 2.
So you're kinda out of your mind.
Anonymous No.725278829 [Report]
Anonymous No.725279046 [Report] >>725280256 >>725280963
>>725277142 (OP)
Anyone who claims otherwise is in denial.
It's not just about the characters, it's also about how their individual stories play into the game's core theme of loss and identity.
You can prefer the parties of other JRPGs, even within the series but this level of narrative cohesion has yet to be matched by other games in the genre and series.
Even in the case of the originally optional characters like Vincent and Yuffie they went out of their way to implement this.
Anonymous No.725279095 [Report] >>725279224 >>725279272 >>725279932 >>725284605
>>725277142 (OP)
I love FF7's party, but I think that FF6's party and FF9's party are better overall.
Anonymous No.725279116 [Report] >>725279236
>>725278808
Probably talking about their characterization and implementation into the storyline as opposed to gameplay benefits.
Anonymous No.725279203 [Report]
>>725278219
Absolutely
Anonymous No.725279224 [Report] >>725279361 >>725279424 >>725280260 >>725282168 >>725283325 >>725283617 >>725284363 >>725295127
>>725279095
FF6 and FF9 both have characters that are completely divorced from the storyline and truly have no reason to be in the party whatsoever.
FF6's biggest sin is pretending to have an ensemble cast when only a handful of the characters actually matter.
FF9 doesn't even bother to try and pretend to do that which kind of makes Quina and Amaranth's inclusion that much more baffling.
Anonymous No.725279236 [Report]
>>725279116
Lucca's implementation is fine.
Marle, eh. Sure.
Anonymous No.725279272 [Report] >>725280961
>>725279095
FF9? Fucking seriously? The game forgets about Freya after disc 2.
Anonymous No.725279361 [Report] >>725279482
>>725279224
>truly have no reason to be in the party whatsoever
That’s every FF, including 7
Anonymous No.725279387 [Report] >>725279506 >>725280605 >>725280836
Barret, Red and Cid are the only interesting characters. Reeve is an honorable mention, but his role as Cait Sith is stupid as fuck.
The "Pursuit of Sephiroth" arc (I.E. 90% of the game) is dumb as hell. 2/10 would not bang.
Anonymous No.725279424 [Report]
>>725279224
>FF6's biggest sin is pretending to have an ensemble cast when only a handful of the characters actually matter.
Wrong. No plural. Only Sabin matters.
Anonymous No.725279482 [Report] >>725279998 >>725282747
>>725279361
Except FF7 goes into detail regarding each and every individual character as to why they are there in addition to the shared reason of wanting to save the planet and avenge Aerith.
Anonymous No.725279506 [Report] >>725279765
>>725279387
Do you also think that the world of ruin portion of FF6 was shit because you were no longer up against the evil empire?
Anonymous No.725279587 [Report] >>725280698 >>725282162
>>725277142 (OP)
not even the best in its series
Anonymous No.725279632 [Report] >>725279694 >>725283617 >>725290818
>>725277142 (OP)
Tales of Symohonia. Except maybe Presea. inb4 angry pedos.
Anonymous No.725279694 [Report] >>725279829
>>725279632
>Regal

Cringiest character ever conceived
Anonymous No.725279765 [Report]
>>725279506
Yes I've never played it.
Anonymous No.725279829 [Report]
>>725279694
Oh yeah I kinda forgot about him. Man those fags from the 2nd world were pretty lack luster.
Anonymous No.725279932 [Report] >>725280559
>>725278343
>ff4 clears them
>>725279095
>I think that FF6's party and FF9's party are better overall
Anonymous No.725279972 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
That's not my SMTV party of Lilith, Cleopatra, and Mermaid
Anonymous No.725279998 [Report] >>725280310 >>725290829
>>725279482
Red has nothing to do in the party once he’s gotten home.
>grandpa told me to fuck off again and learn more about the world
Literally Quina tier
Cid’s motivation is he has nothing better to do than go with the party
Vincent and Yuffie are literally missable
Cait Sith? What is this guy even doing here after getting the keystone
A lot of these characters could be temporary and nothing changes except you have less party options in battle
Anonymous No.725280079 [Report] >>725280112 >>725284760 >>725285102 >>725286369
>blocks your path
Anonymous No.725280094 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
Expedition 33
Anonymous No.725280112 [Report] >>725280675
>>725280079
>PIERS
Anonymous No.725280186 [Report]
>>725277245
Cait Sith was already awful in the base game so that hasn't changed.
>I'm going to pretend to heroically sacrifice myself real quick so we can be OK, fine? Nevermind the fact I've spied on you, blackmailed you, threatened to kill Barret's daughter and generally served Shinra's interests lol
Anonymous No.725280256 [Report]
>>725279046
Even the NPC's in the game have so much life and character and a story around them.
Anonymous No.725280260 [Report] >>725290181
>>725279224
Quina is perfectly fine, it's Amaranth that is extraneous (he should have had his role folded into Freya's)
Anonymous No.725280310 [Report] >>725280567 >>725281282 >>725289820
>>725279998
NTA but I wish more games had party members who come, stay for awhile, complete their subplot, and then leave.
Such is the curse of shōnen anime writing and fandom faggotry; every television show, manga, novel, video game, fuck even music groups. It all has to be a soap opera, and no one's ever really gone.
Finality is, ironically, absent in 99% of fantasies.
Anonymous No.725280420 [Report]
XBC1 shits on every FF party except maybe 9 and 10
Anonymous No.725280559 [Report]
>>725279932
you are not fooling anyone clown
Anonymous No.725280567 [Report] >>725280758
>>725280310
Funny enough one of the most disliked ones, FF2, does that throughout the whole game. Granted it also kills off just about every character that joins you.
Anonymous No.725280605 [Report]
>>725279387
>Cid
Lol
Anonymous No.725280675 [Report] >>725280831
>>725280112
Piers is basado, eh rebels against the senate and doesn't afraid of anything, although in all honesty I do wish Alex had been the party's Mercury adept.
Anonymous No.725280698 [Report]
>>725279587
>worst party
lmao
Anonymous No.725280758 [Report]
>>725280567
Honestly I can appreciate FF2 more by looking it in the context of the era. It's not good by modern standards but it's a truly staggeringly ambitious project by theirs and every successive game only gets even more ambitious; immediately after this game FF3 pulls the "we faked THE ENTIRE WORLD MAP" as a twist, FF4 starts having characters with arcs and varied personalities you can give a shit about, FF5 is an enormous leap in mechanical complexity, and then FF6 aims to do everything the other games were trying to do, better.
Anonymous No.725280831 [Report]
>>725280675
Mia is also shit, she has no discernible personality whatsoever.
Anonymous No.725280836 [Report] >>725281351
>>725279387
>Cid
What?
What is even there to care about in relation to Cid? I genuinely forgot he was in the party until Cloud went down and he became the "leader" for a while and even then he just doesn't do anything worthwhile either.
Anonymous No.725280943 [Report] >>725281049 >>725281210 >>725287421 >>725294425
>>725278343
>Not even the best ff party
Yeah, one can make solid arguments for this.
>ff4 clears them
Oh, nevermind.

XIII-2 (I don't have an explanation, they're effortlessly perfect) > VII (Thematically bound by trauma) > VI (Thematically loosely bound by tragedy, love, hope) > V (Otherwise perfect and could've been the best, but Cara can never truly fill Galuf's shoes and even though she's great a tinge of disappointment remains.) > BCVII (Nunchaku and Knife are awful, but the others are variations of good with Shotgun being a homerun.) > III (kids are a unique point of view for the series) > IX (Zidane and Dagger are game ruining, Vivi is game saving) > LRXIII (They finally gave her a personality and I like hypersarcastic and done with this shit demeanor.) > X-2 > DoCVII (His characterization in this game as an every man, woman and child for themselves coward is a guilty pleasure.) > IVTAY > X (Tidus and Yuna are awful, Auron in botched translation is great) > II (Maria and especially Leon are awful) > IV (Cecil and Kain are game ruining) > I > CCVII (He's ridiculously likable, but awful) > VIII (Squall and Rinoa are the only characters in the main party and they're abysmal, Laguna & Company pull the game up the rankings, but at the end of the day their role is miniscule, so there's only so much they can do) > XVI > XIII (Sazh and Vanille would be awful anywhere else, but among these abysmal characters they're alright) > VIIRb > VIIRm > XV (Ranging from abysmal to game ruining) > XII (What party?)
Anonymous No.725280961 [Report]
>>725279272
Did you even play FF7? The game forgets about most party members quite quickly, and two of them are even optional.
Anonymous No.725280963 [Report]
>>725279046
I agree with you in regards to Yuffie but come the fuck on, 90% of Vincent's lines are "..." and his backstory is that Hojo cucked him then he lied in a coffin for a decade
Anonymous No.725281049 [Report]
>>725280943
Horrible taste. Cecil is the best part of FFIV and clears the entire cast of FFV barring Galuf by himself
Anonymous No.725281210 [Report] >>725282027
>>725280943
>XIII-2 (I don't have an explanation, they're effortlessly perfect)
Jesus christ.
Anonymous No.725281282 [Report] >>725281550
>>725280310
You would love FF4 then.
Anonymous No.725281351 [Report] >>725281916 >>725282217
>>725280836
His backstory. A lot more interesting than a fag getting injected with space aids, let alone two of 'em.
Doing something "worthwhile" isn't really the point since the overarching story is dumb as shit. Cloud and Sephiroth do the most within the story. They're also the dumbest, most flattest, uninteresting dipshits in the game. Go figure.
Anonymous No.725281432 [Report]
>>725277245
Cait Sith is actually good and cute and funny in Rebirth
Anonymous No.725281550 [Report]
>>725281282
Conceptually, it's pretty great. And by that I mean how the character's actions and appearances are dictated by the story being told, rather than pandering and popularity taking precedence.
Unfortunately, I hate almost every single character.
Anonymous No.725281596 [Report] >>725281703
What does the Lifestream even do?
Anonymous No.725281703 [Report] >>725282271 >>725282385
>>725281596
It's the repository of all souls and life of the planet. When anything dies, its essence goes to the Lifestream and is used to create new life. Are you retarded?
Anonymous No.725281916 [Report] >>725282112
>>725281351
His backstory amounts to "his girlfriend threw herself into a jet engine for no reason"
Anonymous No.725281968 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
They're the most iconic, thats for sure.
Anonymous No.725282027 [Report]
>>725281210
They just fit the game's scenario, tone, atmosphere and story without any extra effort. They're super pleasant to be around on an adventure.
Anonymous No.725282112 [Report]
>>725281916
Meant more his relationship with Shinra and the space program. I like a lot of the stuff with Shinra and characters related to it, apart from Hojo and his influence. All that shit was dumb.
Anonymous No.725282162 [Report]
>>725279587
Not even close to being real. Mostly because Bartz is canonically gay. He only ever shows interedt in Galuf, except when he thinks Faris is a man
Anonymous No.725282168 [Report] >>725290181
>>725279224
Quina's along for the ride, no problem there. Food and adventure are incentive enough.
Amarant has history with Zidane, and is trying to figure himself out. He thinks the best way of doing that is sticking with the party.
Anonymous No.725282217 [Report] >>725282356 >>725282747
>>725281351
Cloud literally changes completely as a character and pretty much every single trait of his is examined through the course of the game. I do not know how anyone can even pretend that he's flat.
Anonymous No.725282271 [Report] >>725282504 >>725282578 >>725296403
>>725281703
Where do aliens come from? is Mako/Materia alive?
Anonymous No.725282308 [Report] >>725292682
Seiken Densetsu 3 clears!
Anonymous No.725282356 [Report] >>725282714
>>725282217
What about him changes?
Anonymous No.725282385 [Report]
>>725281703
Also serves as the planet's lifeblood, responsible for growth and renewal (see: post-Meteor/ Holy Midgar).
Anonymous No.725282504 [Report] >>725282967
>>725282271
There is one alien; Jenova. Jenova arrived in the planet through a meteorite. It assimilates other lifeforms into itself through its cells.
Mako is the Lifestream being drawn out and mined by Shinra and could be said to be alive, but Materia is crystallized experiences drawn out of the Lifestream; it isn't alive any more then your skills in basketball would be, if they were torn out of your body and put in a rock.
Anonymous No.725282541 [Report]
FF9 party is still better. also the best party across all mediums is Dungeon Meshi
Anonymous No.725282578 [Report] >>725283121
>>725282271
Space.
Materia is crystallised Mako, said to contain the essence/ wisdom of the lifestream. It might be "alive" in the sense that it's kind of a snapshot of the minds/ souls of the dead.
Anonymous No.725282643 [Report] >>725283139 >>725284523
I’m playing VIIR a little again, and wow is the story so fucked. The battle system is amazingly bad, unblockable attacks from enemies constantly, cancels your input CONSTANTLY, enemies cost you atb to miss CONSTANTLY, the side quests aren’t marked properly in the end section, the map does not use the words sewers even though the fucking quests do. Every aspect of the game is smeared with Indian nigger shit, it’s total trash slop made for lowest common denominator losers. It’s fucking SAD that they turned an epic novel like FFVII into a fucking DEI nightmare for transexuals, it’s criminal and should be legislated against to ruin an IP to rob customers, it should be illegal to make a game so poorly.
Anonymous No.725282645 [Report] >>725290717
>>725277142 (OP)
>"Why yes, my first JRPG was FF7, how did you know?"
Anonymous No.725282714 [Report] >>725283039
>>725282356
You are presented with the image of a broody loner who is too cool to care, and that facade is knocked down. You are presented with a backstory, and that backstory is systematically questioned until it reveals itself a lie. Looking at the full breadth of the game, Cloud is a complete character, someone who grows, reveals profound anxieties, immense vulnerability and pain, and changes as he addresses these faults within his armor, transforming himself into a confident, emotionally aware person who is actually cool for legitimate reasons. He is the single best protagonist FF has ever made and they still haven't topped him.
Anonymous No.725282726 [Report] >>725282960
>>725277142 (OP)
Too bad the remake sucks
Anonymous No.725282747 [Report]
>>725279482
>>725282217
This is what people mean when remakes are absolute cancer. This is the type of absolute retard it invites to the fanbase.
Anonymous No.725282880 [Report]
barret design is too big almost like a caricature. he would be may more popular if he was smaller and white
Anonymous No.725282960 [Report] >>725283252
>>725282726
remake is a 5.5/10 but Rebirth is a 9/10 minimum
thus the trilogy is still very much worth playing
Anonymous No.725282964 [Report] >>725287725 >>725287835
>>725277142 (OP)
Why include Vincent? Pick one line from
>...
>Sephiroth...my wife's son...
>My sin...
>Lucretia...
and then tack on a completely garbage set of limits and that's his entire character.
Anonymous No.725282967 [Report] >>725283121 >>725283671 >>725283965 >>725284350
>>725282504
Gi are alien.
Mako occurs naturally, specifically in its liquified form. It causes animals to mutate into monsters and can crystallize to form Materia.
My point is: if the Lifestream is effectively just some recycling unit for life essence, what the flying fuck is the point of the aforementioned? And why is the planet dying naturally, regardless of Shinra?
The Lifestream is a parasite. Symbiotic, might be, but it's unnecessary to life. It's an auxiliary that, depending on your perspective, causes more chaos than order. Based on extended lore it's also questionable if it's really any different than Jenova, or that Jenova itself might well be a lifestream, so to speak.
Anonymous No.725283039 [Report] >>725283745 >>725283995
>>725282714
>(...)that facade is knocked down
That happens before leaving Midgar. Why's he in the rest of the game?
Anonymous No.725283121 [Report]
>>725282578
See>>725282967
Also yeah, I'm aware they're from space, I meant how is babby formed? Are they from their own respective lifestreams?
Anonymous No.725283139 [Report] >>725284398
>>725282643
you know a game is good when monkeys write paragraphs over shit they hate rather enjoying games they like
Anonymous No.725283153 [Report]
>>725277245
Cait Sith's moveset is awesome actually, the fuck are you talking about?
Anonymous No.725283252 [Report] >>725283543
>>725282960
remake is 9/10 the only bad part was hojo lab

rebirth is nothing happening for 11 chapters and then it ends. but it's open world so hey it must be le good
Anonymous No.725283325 [Report] >>725290181
>>725279224
Saving the world and adding to the cause is plenty reason enough.
"You don't need a reason to help people"
You fucking faggot.
Anonymous No.725283543 [Report] >>725284029
>>725283252
>remake is 9/10
It's a twenty-five hour tutorial for a game that's so simplistic it doesn't even need one. I kept waiting for the game to start and the characters to shut the fuck up and stop explaining what's happening on the screen, but they never do, not even during combat.
>Dutch angle
>Dutch angle
>Dutch angle
>Snap zoom
>Dutch angle
For fuck's sake when do I get Cait Sith so I can roll the dice and kill myself?
Anonymous No.725283617 [Report] >>725284337
>>725279224
Yes they have flaws. FF7 also have flaws. FF9 party > FF7 party
>>725279632
Literally the second worst Tales of cast. ToD mogs hard.
Anonymous No.725283671 [Report] >>725284148
>>725282967
>My point is: if the Lifestream is effectively just some recycling unit for life essence, what the flying fuck is the point of the aforementioned? And why is the planet dying naturally, regardless of Shinra?
Because of Jenova? The planet failed to kill it, and so it is constantly expending energy to keep it contanined. This is directly spelled out for you and Jenova is compared to a gigantic wound on the planet's side.
Materia has no "point" to it much like hurricanes have no "point." It is a natural result of the planet's processes; in places where the Lifestream is poking out, Materia naturally forms in huge, twisted chunks; during the Nibelheim flashback, Sephiroth shows you one of those naturally forming Materias, caused by accumulation of memories pouring out of the Lifestream. They're generally kind of useless; the Materia our protagonists use is intentionally created with industrial processes.
Anonymous No.725283745 [Report]
>>725283039
He has several facades which are knocked down several times over?
Anonymous No.725283965 [Report] >>725284593
>>725282967
Is water also a parasite because all life depends on it?
Anonymous No.725283995 [Report]
>>725283039
He becomes more vulnerable after being a brain dead cripple.

In the flashbacks you see him acting as a very excited young adult even when he isn't able to be in the program he wants. Then is embarrassed when he sees his childhood crush because he's just a cannon fodder soldier. Then despite being weak and seeing his hero being defeated he goes up against the same super being.
Anonymous No.725284029 [Report]
>>725283543
>the subplot of trying to take down shinra in midgar is less fun than following black robes and seeing tifa in a bikini

meh can't win em all
Anonymous No.725284113 [Report]
Sephiroth if he Texan.
Anonymous No.725284148 [Report]
>>725283671
God, I wish more JRPGs had the world building of FFs. As shit as FF might've become, there is nothing like that out there. E33 comes close but still feels like an indie FF.
Anonymous No.725284337 [Report] >>725284959
>>725283617
Zidane is the worst mainline FF main protagonist.
Anonymous No.725284350 [Report] >>725284993
>>725282967
>And why is the planet dying naturally
it is not. the overuse of mako is what's harming the planet. also jenova.
the Gi are pissed because they didn't get their citizenship and the lifestream rejected them, so they end up as angry ghosts.
The lifestream isn't a parasite. it's the planet itself. Is the entity from CT a parasite because it was fight off the stupid giant tick sucking on her titties for 3 billion years?
Anonymous No.725284363 [Report]
>>725279224
They hated him cause he spoke the truth. 40% of FF6's characters were unnecessary and that's without compromising. FF9 was a little bit better, but had two duds.
Anonymous No.725284398 [Report]
>>725283139
I love the original so I’m trying to get through this, but damn does it shit on the memory of it with the thickest fucking fiber of fecal matter with the stinkiest fucking earthiest smells wafering off it, fucking bleeding brown stains into the water of the ether constantly
Anonymous No.725284439 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
>Best JRPG party ever made
>JRPGs Played: FF7, FF14, Pokemon, Xenoblade 2
Anonymous No.725284523 [Report]
>>725282643
>he battle system is amazingly bad, unblockable attacks from enemies constantly, cancels your input CONSTANTLY
then dodge them
then use skills and spells properly and not when the enemy attacks you
Anonymous No.725284524 [Report] >>725285054
Saying Quina is a dud is a faggot opinion, they're fun as fuck. I don't recall a single Quina ATE which wasn't hilarious
Anonymous No.725284593 [Report] >>725284935
>>725283965
My point was that there's no evidence that life in FF7 depends or even originates from the Lifestream. Rather that life exists, and it attaches itself to it.
Hence the terms parasite and auxiliary.
Anonymous No.725284605 [Report] >>725284739 >>725293682 >>725296551
>>725279095
FF5 solos any party in this whole damn thread
Anonymous No.725284739 [Report]
>>725284605
Nah. They're barely even characters.
Anonymous No.725284748 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
It was a much different time. I don't think anybody, especially not current Square, will ever make another one like this.

FF7R Part 3 is probably gonna be the last game I play before fully retiring from gaming since nothing else is even worth playing anymore.
Anonymous No.725284760 [Report]
>>725280079
Ahem! Say Fuzzy Pickles!
Anonymous No.725284884 [Report] >>725285018 >>725285050 >>725285676
>>725277245
Even though I hate the trope of JRPG characters that force their way into the party, and the party just accepts them for no fucking reason, Cait Sith is the most interesting character there. White collar man using a creature to spy on the terrorist group, and slowly realizing he has more on common with the terrorists than his employer, is awesome.
Anonymous No.725284935 [Report] >>725285170
>>725284593
All things in the planet have souls. When they die, their souls remain and become part of the Lifestream. The Lifestream isn't "attached" to life any more then carbon is "attached" to life.
Yes, life can exist without the Lifestream, without souls, and Jenova is an example; but so can life exist without carbon, doesn't mean carbon is parasitic. For the natives of the Planet, the Lifestream is simply a fact of life because just like you can't change yourself into a silica-based lifeform, you can't suddenly decide to not use souls.
Anonymous No.725284959 [Report]
>>725284337
you’re just angry you never got to touch a princess butt
Anonymous No.725284991 [Report] >>725285161
Meh who needs Party Members when you can go it all alone and be a One Man Army
Anonymous No.725284993 [Report] >>725285081 >>725288052
>>725284350
>it is not. the overuse of mako is what's harming the planet. also jenova
Bugenhagen explicitly states that the planet will die eventually, regardless of outside infetterence.
I'm not entirely sure what Jenova's role in this is if anybody wants to bring me up to speed.
>the Gi are pissed because they didn't get their citizenship and the lifestream rejected them, so they end up as angry ghosts.
Why can't they return to their own lifestream?
>The lifestream isn't a parasite. it's the planet itself.
Despite the dialogue using them interchangeably, they are distinct. The Lifestream merely inhabits Gaia (The Planet) and will eventually leave and assume another celestial body. Hence, the cosmic similarity to Jenova.
Anonymous No.725285018 [Report] >>725285516 >>725285751
>>725284884
It would be cool if this was actually shown onscreen and he had to do anything to prove this instead of lying and betraying us for half the game and suddenly being inexplicably forgiven
Anonymous No.725285050 [Report]
>>725284884
Reeve's puppet is capable of fighting Sephiroth, wonder why Shinra didn't just abolish their entire SOLDIER program and just field puppets everywhere as elite troops
Anonymous No.725285054 [Report] >>725285364 >>725285589 >>725291290
>>725284524
The problem is FF7 is generally ragged on to hell and back, and most of the criticisms apply more to the the beloved ones. FF9 gets handled softly cause it wasn't like at release so it's an "underdog" in the series. I don't might Quina, but Necron was poorly handled. For ff6 I'll say with conviction Strago and Gau never should been in it, Relm and Setzer should've been NPCs/temp characters.
Anonymous No.725285081 [Report] >>725285513
>>725284993
>Bugenhagen explicitly states that the planet will die eventually, regardless of outside infetterence.
Because Jenova is infesting it, and the Lifestream is continuously being spent to keep it contained. Eventually, it will fail.
>>7252
>Why can't they return to their own lifestream?
Anonymous No.725285102 [Report]
>>725280079
The characters and character writing in the first game is so unbelievably horseshit that I had to stop playing. Every character is as flat as a board, and every interaction is drawn out as if an indie studio mistranslated the dialogue on purpose to make it "charming".
Is it better in this game?
Anonymous No.725285161 [Report]
>>725284991
this
Anonymous No.725285170 [Report] >>725285402 >>725285419
>>725284935
That's the question though; is life on Gaia actually sourced from "carbon" (the lifestream), or is it simply attached to us to eat our memories or some shit, I.E. a symbiotic parasite. It gains whatever it needs or wants from us, so it keeps us alive and helps us, but it's also kind of a fag that will nuke us and bugger off if necessary.
Anonymous No.725285279 [Report]
reincarnation seems like a cruel joke, to hell with the lifestream, I'm not jenova btw dont ask
Anonymous No.725285287 [Report] >>725295458 >>725295546 >>725298445
All White Mage Team
Anonymous No.725285364 [Report] >>725289914
>>725285054
>The problem is FF7 is generally ragged on to hell and back
>the most sucked off FF (rivaled only in modernity by 14) is actually the most unfairly hated one guys
Anonymous No.725285387 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
>Stripper, street walker, papakatsu JK, five turbo depressed dudes and a robo cat.
You know what, i see your point.
Anonymous No.725285402 [Report]
>>725285170
>That's the question though; is life on Gaia actually sourced from "carbon" (the lifestream)
I mean, yes, textually. Life in places where the Lifestream has been exhausted by Mako extraction cannot grow because there's nothing for it to grow *from.* Souls are an integral component of all life on Planet.
Anonymous No.725285419 [Report] >>725285893
>>725285170
>is life on Gaia actually sourced from "carbon" (the lifestream)
Anon this is quite obviously the case. Even when it's not explicitly stated, the game goes out of its way to make every area with a mako reactor barren (with Midgar's several reactors making a large portion of the surrounding area barren) while areas without reactors (Wutai, Mideel, the north, etc.) are either teeming with greenery, have stronger creatures (life) than areas with reactors, or both.
Anonymous No.725285513 [Report] >>725289593
>>725285081
Where is it doing this infesting, and how?
Anonymous No.725285516 [Report] >>725285895
>>725285018
In the remake, Reeve is actually a totally different character. Not even spying on you, no Marlene kidnapped by Shinra. He even goes out of his way to hide Cloud and company. It actually makes him giving up the Keystone more retarded this time around.
Anonymous No.725285579 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
I will dare say it is the best party ever made. No other game has two legendary waifus with legendary soundtracks

https://youtu.be/ujrn-yfo8Ts

https://youtu.be/seewVC9uwr4
Anonymous No.725285589 [Report]
>>725285054
On the contrary, 7 is the most beloved but its fans just can’t accept any critique. It’s far more often I’ll see a complaint of [thing almost every FF is guilty of] but then somehow 7 is exempt from it.
Anonymous No.725285676 [Report] >>725285842 >>725286053
>>725284884
He had a boner for Aerith in the original as well
Anonymous No.725285751 [Report]
>>725285018
I agree
Anonymous No.725285842 [Report]
>>725285676
You're thinking of Tseng.
Anonymous No.725285893 [Report] >>725286136 >>725286206 >>725286215
>>725285419
Cosmo Canyon? Nature is affected by industrialization, and Gaia has a variety of climates that parallel Earth.
If lush greenery (Promised Land) = Lifestream, why do so many distinct biomes exist?
Anonymous No.725285895 [Report] >>725286162
>>725285516
>Reeve is actually a totally different character
He's the same character, lol. But his doubts towards Shinra are already there. In the original, at most you see the "please mr president dont drop the plate" and then very far later in the game you see some sort of change of heart. In the remake they had him not only asking for the president to not drop the plate, but take care of the citicizens, repair stuff and even fight back with the president over his plans.

>Not even spying on you, no Marlene kidnapped by Shinra.
1. he IS spying on you, why do you think he keeps asking stuff all the time trying to earn avalanche trust? he was sent by shinra to do its job but reeve cant say no, he's still with Shinra.
2. The marlene kidnapping not only makes no sense in the original but it wasnt even addressed at all later. They just added that so Cait sith isnt kicked out of the party. In the remake he gets kicked out so no reason for kidnapping, earning his redemption later. It's not like Barret could ever EVER forgive cait sith after that, you would have to say goodbye to his character forever.
Anonymous No.725286053 [Report]
>>725285676
So do you, look down
Anonymous No.725286097 [Report]
>>725278718
Shut your whore mouth.
Anonymous No.725286116 [Report]
>>725278219
I do
Anonymous No.725286136 [Report] >>725286557
>>725285893
Savannahs, swamps, forests, tundras, even deserts can teem with life everywhere. They don't have to be the same biome to be lush and healthy.
Meanwhile, land drained by Mako reactors becomes barren. Nothing grows on it, nothing can be planted on it, animals and monsters are weaker then on the rest of the world.
Anonymous No.725286162 [Report]
>>725285895
>The marlene kidnapping not only makes no sense in the original but it wasnt even addressed at all later.
It is pretty logical to me if you follow Shinra logic. They want leverage over Aerith. They take her mom, who coincidentally has Marlene at the time, so that would be important to Aerith as well. Though I would imagine reeve smuggling them out to Kalm unknown to Shinra.
Anonymous No.725286206 [Report] >>725286557
>>725285893
Who said that "lush greenery" translates into "the same exact kind of lush greenery everywhere" actually? Environmental conditions still exist.
Anonymous No.725286215 [Report] >>725286557
>>725285893
Cosmo Canyon, the area plagued by the wretched race that uses malicious curses and poison. Makes sense to me. And it's not just lush greenery, it could be a different environment but will still have stronger lifeforms (monsters that you fight) than reactor areas
Anonymous No.725286369 [Report]
>>725280079
I thought that was GS 1 for a sec and was about to shit all over you.
Anonymous No.725286481 [Report] >>725287182
>>725277142 (OP)
Cloud good.
Barret good
Tifa good.
Areith good.
Nanaki good but he's introduced at the end of disk 1 and his characterization stops midway through disk 2.
Yuffie Is just... there to provide funny quips.
Cait Sith and Cid have only a set piece to them and they stop mattering.
Vincent is missable so the story was made without him in mind in order to work.

It's not a bad cast but it's far from the best one.
Anonymous No.725286557 [Report] >>725286838 >>725287490
>>725286136
How are people born in Midgar?
>>725286206
Environmental conditions are caused by life. If The Lifestream is the source of it, to the extent that it is The Planet itself, why does it have no control? or maybe it does and it just prefers it that way, who knows?
>>725286215
Fair enough. Places where there's more mako = stronger mutated animals who can murder the shit out of you. Thanks, Lifestream.
Anonymous No.725286838 [Report]
>>725286557
>How are people born in Midgar
Midgar wasn't always completely barren and you can note that most of the cast was *not born there,* they moved to the city for opportunity and the like.
>Environmental conditions are caused by life
No? The movement of the tectonic plates, wind patterns, wellsprings, erosion, the passing of the seasons- all of these influence the climate and the environment and are processes not bound to life. Environments come and life adapts to it, not the opposite. The Lifestream is not the sole process that the world has.
Anonymous No.725287182 [Report]
>>725286481
>Vincent is missable so the story was made without him in mind in order to work.
Not really. He was one of the first characters created in the story, but due to shifting of the story he became optional.
Anonymous No.725287370 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
For me it's these guys.
Anonymous No.725287421 [Report] >>725288051
>>725280943
Kill yourself zoomer trash
Anonymous No.725287490 [Report]
>>725286557
Why do you think the Planet cares about your well-being, specifically? Are these animals not its children, and do you not also kill then in droves? There's even a dialogue in the Glacier about it, by Barret of all people.
>Barret: "You know, I've been thinkin'..."
>Barret: "...Seein' a place like this, makes you realize how awesome nature is."
>Barret: "But, if anyone told me to live here, I'd tell them to… Well, you know…"
>Barret: "I tell you one thing though, if I did have to live here I'd change things around 'n' make it better."
>Barret: "I guess Midgar is the total opposite of this place."
>Barret: "When you think of it that way, the Shinra don't seem so bad…"
>Barret: "Uuuuurgh!! What the hell am I sayin'!? The Shinra, not bad!?"
>Barret: "Y'know… Standing here like this… Kinda makes you feel like the Planet's not really with us, y'know?"
>Barret: "Of course we can't compete. I mean… The Planet don't even notice us humans…"
Planet isn't Mother Nature. It doesn't exist to shelter and protect us. It just is, and we who are upon it need to accept that our existence within the Planet does not necessarily mean that it loves and protects us.
Anonymous No.725287493 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
>B-but that's no...
I don't care
Anonymous No.725287541 [Report]
>>725278219
It's hard to find an FF7 fan who wouldn't
Anonymous No.725287549 [Report]
That's not the edgelords from Berseria
Anonymous No.725287708 [Report]
barreyt, tifa, yuffie are trash
you have bad taste
Anonymous No.725287725 [Report]
>>725282964
Fuck off his limit is badass and shit at the same time. If you can't appreciate this edginess then you've just lost your whimsy.
Anonymous No.725287823 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
No. Remove Red, Cait Sith and Vincent then it would be a contender.
Anonymous No.725287835 [Report]
>>725282964
>Sephiroth...my wife's son...
>My sin...
>Lucretia...
Virtually nothing bad about this from a writing perspective.
NTR memes just have rotten your brain.
Anonymous No.725287837 [Report]
You don't need any more than this.
Anonymous No.725288037 [Report]
I like this a lot

https://youtu.be/gK7v5F2We0I?t=2m4s
Anonymous No.725288051 [Report]
>>725287421
Heh, It's the opposite. I played my first game in 1989 and my first FF (VII) in 1998. My tastes are half-bog standard and half-deviant, so people rarely agree with me, but i also won't hide them. Here though, I thought I was pretty agreeable. People are more up in arms, when I speak of which FF games I like.
Anonymous No.725288052 [Report]
>>725284993
>Why can't they return to their own lifestream?
my man their planet is gone. they said their world got nuked in a collision with another astral body, likely Gaia.
Anonymous No.725288146 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
wrong
Anonymous No.725288845 [Report] >>725288970 >>725289119 >>725289479 >>725289765 >>725289850
Is Sephiroth better then Kefka?
Anonymous No.725288970 [Report]
>>725288845
Yes, are you crazy? FF7 in general is just playing with a whole new deck of cards.
Anonymous No.725289119 [Report]
>>725288845
Nah
Anonymous No.725289295 [Report] >>725289434
Only lackluster part of this is the faggot furry cunt, but Auron clears entire FF parties on his own.
Anonymous No.725289415 [Report] >>725289946 >>725295230
It could be second best, but the gap between it and the first is a mile wide
Anonymous No.725289434 [Report] >>725289797
>>725289295
Auron and Lulu are good. The rest are pretty terrible.
Anonymous No.725289479 [Report]
>>725288845
He's great, but the whole Jenova clones thing waters him down a little compared to Kefka.
Anonymous No.725289541 [Report]
There are only two kinds of character /v/irgins like in an RPG party
>the character I wish I was
>the character I wish I was fucking
And many times you trannies combine the two
Anonymous No.725289593 [Report]
>>725285513
In the Promised Land, in the Great Glacier. You can clearly see a root system there gestating Sephiroth's new body. That's a fuckhuge amount Jenova lifeform burrowed directly into the Lifestream, anon.
Anonymous No.725289765 [Report] >>725289957
>>725288845
No. They're almost the same character though. Just OGVII's jubilant Sephiroth, that is, not his other depictions. Their insanity comes in two distinct flavors, personal, overflowing, active, all-encompassing & charismatic and efficient, goal-driven, haughty, impersonal & incomprehensible.
Anonymous No.725289776 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
FF9 is better except amerant
FF10 is also better
Anonymous No.725289797 [Report] >>725290094 >>725297263
>>725289434
>Yuna
>Rikku
>Wakka
>Terrible
When was it that you hit your head?
Anonymous No.725289820 [Report]
>>725280310
See Grandia
Anonymous No.725289850 [Report]
>>725288845
Yes. It's not even close. Sephiroth eats Kefka's lunch any day as a major antagonist. They have the exact same issues (vanishes from the final act, omnicidal maniac with a god complex), but what Kefka has going for him is a clown aesthetic and a pretty good final villain speech against the heroes, while Sephiroth has an aesthetic that would define Japanese villains for a decade afterwards and actual psychological depth and history and mystery.
Anonymous No.725289914 [Report]
>>725285364
He's correct in the sense that the hate is unfair, because people parrot flaws that aren't present in the actual game as opposed to the very real ones present.
Anonymous No.725289946 [Report] >>725290304
>>725289415
Half of these guys barely even utter a word after their arc is over.
Anonymous No.725289957 [Report] >>725290368
>>725289765
They become the same character by the last act, but Sephiroth has something going on before that happens that Kefka doesn't, and he does it better in general because he's actually got something to psychologically torture the heroes *with.*
Anonymous No.725290094 [Report]
>>725289797
Don't listen to him, he uh... got too close to Sin's toxin, ya?
He talks crazy sometimes, haha.
Anonymous No.725290181 [Report] >>725290397 >>725290429
>>725280260
>>725282168
>>725283325
"It's fine they're just there for the sake of being there."
Thank you for proving my point.
Anonymous No.725290304 [Report] >>725293827
>>725289946
The belief that every character's "story arc" or "character development" needs to be stretched out all the way until the end of the game so that every single plotline is wrapped up at the same moment after the final boss dies is retarded
As is the idea that if a character does not have any more personal drama to go through, that they are useless to the game and should be discarded immediately following the end of their personal plot.
Anonymous No.725290368 [Report] >>725290616
>>725289957
Sephiroth manipulating Cloud's identity is just Kefka manipulating the party, that Celes is a spy. The rewrites are always there.
Anonymous No.725290397 [Report]
>>725290181
Quina is the comedic relief. They're there to be funny, and consistently accomplish this.
Amaranth I've already admitted was extraneous and should have been folded into Freya.
Anonymous No.725290429 [Report]
>>725290181
It's a video game, not a novel or a TV show. If a character as a mechanical use or a novel gimmick, that is just as justifiable of a reason for their inclusion as any story-related reason.
Anonymous No.725290441 [Report] >>725290515 >>725290929
>>725277142 (OP)
crazy how woke this party was back in the day
three whites
a black
two asians
a robot cat
a dot cat thing
and a turk
Anonymous No.725290515 [Report]
>>725290441
It's diverse, as in a variety of characters
It is not "woke" you gurgling retard.

Also, Yuffie is the only "asian"
Anonymous No.725290616 [Report] >>725292919
>>725290368
The difference is that like I said, Sephiroth does it better, because Cloud has much more going on then Celes, and he also has more elegance, charisma and panache while he's manipulating Cloud.
He also isn't getting 90% of his wins from complete nonsensical asspulls like the poisoning of the waters or spontaneously developing the power to instakill Espers.
Anonymous No.725290695 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
Not in FF7 Stillbirth they aren't
Tifa, Aerith and Yuffie act like they're filming Tiktok videos
They ruined Red XIII's voice
Cid unplayable and made PG friendly
Cait Sith not riding his moogle 99% of the time
just awful what they did to these characters
Anonymous No.725290717 [Report]
>>725282645
For 90% of people in the 90's in the West who played it, it was.
Anonymous No.725290796 [Report] >>725291429
I hate, HATE having to split my party up! It fucking sucks and no I'm not gonna play a 50+ hour game multiple times to see the differences that having different party members with you makes. Anytime I see some interaction that obviously would have been different if I had a different party setup I damn near lose my gourd, FUCK
Anonymous No.725290818 [Report]
>>725279632
Oh, you tasteless FUCK.
Anonymous No.725290829 [Report]
>>725279998
>Red has nothing to do in the party once he’s gotten home.
>>grandpa told me to fuck off again and learn more about the world
Red is an actual child as far as the lifespan of his species is concerned and it's been established pretty clearly how highly he regards Bugenhagen's opinion so him being told to go out there and learn is about as in-character as it gets.

>Cid’s motivation is he has nothing better to do than go with the party
He's very clearly out for revenge against Shinra since they not only shut down the space program but then went onto try and steal the Bronco, are you dense?

>Vincent and Yuffie are literally missable
And despite this both have a reason for going after Shinra. Vincent even has a clear connection to the villain, establishing personal stakes.
Yuffie is out to Make Wutai Great Again because Shinra turned her country into a tourist trap.
Both of these character's identities are compromised and by extent defined by the losses they suffered at Shinra's hand which serve as their motivator. It's the main theme of the game.

>Cait Sith? What is this guy even doing here after getting the keystone
I suppose you missed the part where Reeve is/was the head of Urban Development and the company he worked for decided to not only destroy an entire sector of the project he's working on but then went onto say that they don't need to rebuild it. He's also there to fight Shinra and is unique from the rest of the main cast by virtue of it being revealed to him that yes, he is in fact, one of the baddies.

The story is genuinely not that complicated, I really wonder how people miss so much of it when it's presented to them in plain, written text. Either you quite literally did not read the story and cannot critique it or you're illiterate.
Anonymous No.725290929 [Report]
>>725290441
The only non white humans are Yuffie and Barret. But that shit is entirely irrelevant anyway.
Anonymous No.725291153 [Report] >>725291509 >>725291635 >>725291850
>>725277142 (OP)
They're not even in the top XVI.
Anonymous No.725291290 [Report] >>725291487
>>725285054
I don't think you understand just how incredibly insufferable the FF7 fanbase was on the internet in the 2000's. I liked the game a lot, but then you go online in places like Gamefaqs or the weirdos you saw at school that were obsessed with Sephiroth and it leaves a massive sour taste in your mouth. It's difficult to explain unless you're old enough to remember how big of a presence they were and how much anytime of 'greatest games' that they'd rush into scream of "AERITH (NOT AERIS OK!?!?) DIED MADE ME CRY TEARS NO MOVIE CAN COMPARE!!!" adnasuem. There's a good reason why back in 09 that /v/ took pride on fucking with Gamefags so much that it raided a gamespot poll to personally fuck with them. Unfortunately that only caused gamefaq retards to come into /v/ shortly after.
Anonymous No.725291301 [Report]
https://youtu.be/2448Rp5JoAk
Anonymous No.725291429 [Report] >>725294000
>>725290796
>zoomie autismo whose time is soooooo valuable that he uses 80% of it shitposting on the internet about things he doesn't like, but can't spare 50h to replay a game he supposedly likes to see a new scene
Anonymous No.725291487 [Report]
>>725291290
>anytime of 'greatest games' that they'd rush into scream
Meant anytime the topic of 'greatest games' was brought up.
Anonymous No.725291509 [Report]
>>725291153
>who
>who
>who
>who
>Tekken guy
>who
>who
>who
>who
Anonymous No.725291635 [Report]
>>725291153
this is incredible bait
Anonymous No.725291850 [Report] >>725291973 >>725293110 >>725293462
>>725291153
I tried the demo of this game assuming I'd hate it, but I actually liked it. Granted I also love Tactics, FFXII and it was nice to see a more down to earth artstyle not made out of Nomura's clowns with belts/zippers.
Anonymous No.725291973 [Report]
>>725291850
>Nomura's clowns with belts/zippers.
Man, I wish I still lived in 2004 like you
Anonymous No.725292682 [Report]
>>725282308
You can only choose 3.
Anonymous No.725292919 [Report]
>>725290616
It was so comical how everyone just spontaneously dropped dead lmao
Did they have a designated "drink from the river" hour?
Anonymous No.725293110 [Report] >>725293462
>>725291850
The demo and early parts were generally well liked, the game starts off quite strong. Where it ultimately left a sour taste for many was the way it continues after a few major deaths. Repetitive quests and gameplay, very little rpg mechanics, no party to speak of and then there's the way the story drives to its conclusion and a lackluster villain.
Anonymous No.725293114 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
These fellas.
Anonymous No.725293462 [Report]
>>725293110
>>725291850
The problem is that the demo gives you everything you're ever going to see in the game. Fine for a demo, but not for a 50+ hour RPG.

One character
One weapon
Skill cooldown with filler wet noodle attacks
No elements, no real equipment, no party, no customization, the action doesn't get any deeper or more interesting, QTE summon scenes that are damn near impossible to lose if not outright, etc.
Anonymous No.725293682 [Report]
>>725284605
FF5 is my second favorite job based JRPG, but the characters aren't particularly deep.
Galuf is the only exception, and that's because he pretty much cheated by being both part of the lore and legends in the setting and the actual playable party at once, so he gets a metric ton of story relevance compared to everyone else.
Anonymous No.725293827 [Report] >>725294327
>>725290304
>As is the idea that if a character does not have any more personal drama to go through, that they are useless to the game and should be discarded immediately following the end of their personal plot.
That's exactly the case with Rico, Billy, Maria, and Chu-Chu, though.
Anonymous No.725294000 [Report]
>>725291429
Well I'm sorry but if one wants to have enough time to experience multiple JRPG classics, without having to cut back on everything else it's not necessarily very pleasing to commit oneself to multiple playthroughs of huge gamea. I wish I was still in school.
Anonymous No.725294108 [Report] >>725295389
Basically perfect. The worst you can say is Regal was underbaked.
Anonymous No.725294257 [Report]
>>725278219
yep
Anonymous No.725294327 [Report] >>725294996
>>725293827
Yes their personal dramas end before the end credits, but that does not invalidate them from being present for the rest of the game. In the context of video games, just being mechanically a part of the combat encounters is justification enough for them to be valid. NO rpg party has ever had every character be story and plot relevant with new things to do and say and develop all the way until the end, it would be an unfocused mess with a terrible MGS4 style ending that tries to wrap everything up in a single scene. And ejecting those characters after their personal arcs end would be taking away literal gameplay from the player for no good reason.

Basically what you're saying is that if they're not the literal main character, they should be written out.
Anonymous No.725294425 [Report] >>725294593
>>725280943
>Zidane and Dagger are game ruining, Vivi is game saving
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.
Vivi could have been the main character without changing a thing about his place in the story, and he would've been better at it than Zidane who was specifically written to be the protag.
It's a crime that a character as well written as Vivi exists in the same game as the flaming faggot.
Anonymous No.725294484 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
god I wish I was Cloud when he was crossdressing and I wish Don Corneo was making me suck his fat cock
Anonymous No.725294593 [Report]
>>725294425
>as well written as vivi

lmao, Vivi is written just as fucking juvenile as the rest of them. Are you really so stunted that you're impressed with babby's first existential crisis? This is fucking Pinocchio with a bigger hat.
Anonymous No.725294884 [Report]
>>725277142 (OP)
X is better. only one worthless furry member instead of 2. hotter females as well, lulu is a better big tiddy black hair rep and rikku is hotter cunny, aeris>yuna though. auron is cooler than anyone in 7
Anonymous No.725294974 [Report]
>>725278219
nah, I learned after watching advent children that square enix cant be trusted and any further content will just taint the legacy of the original further and further. I was right
Anonymous No.725294996 [Report] >>725296015
>>725294327
>NO rpg party has ever had every character be story and plot relevant with new things to do and say and develop all the way until the end, it would be an unfocused mess with a terrible MGS4 style ending that tries to wrap everything up in a single scene.
Xenogears has the exact opposite problem, though, where a handful of characters hog SO much screen time and relevance that it makes entire main story arcs, let alone character arcs, feel meaningless in the long run. This is a game that has an entire hour-long sequence where the main character revolves his split personalities and talks to some divine entity trapped in an ancient power generator, but relegates a world-shattering mutant apocalypse to a few sentences in a slide show.
Anonymous No.725295127 [Report] >>725299570
>>725279224
red xiii, yuffie, vincent and cid have no reason to be in the party whatsoever and the plot wouldnt change even slightly without them.
Anonymous No.725295230 [Report] >>725296015
>>725289415
you could cut the cast down to Citan, Fei, Elly, and Emerelda. And even then Emerelda could just be another chair monologue from Fei.
Anonymous No.725295389 [Report]
>>725294108
sheena and raine are the only 2 I give a shit about even slightly. literally who cares about a gay twink party member (which one? you ask. exactly...)
Anonymous No.725295458 [Report] >>725299120
>>725285287
Now that's a team right there.
Anonymous No.725295546 [Report]
>>725285287
Anonymous No.725295795 [Report]
These 2 alone mog most JRPG casts.
Anonymous No.725296007 [Report]
It’s simple.
Anonymous No.725296015 [Report] >>725298048
>>725295230
>>725294996
You could say the same about FF7 as well.

Cid has no relevance at all, could have just been another NPC after you get the Highwind since his only relevance was to pilot it. He doesn't know shit about Sephiroth or care.

Vincent could have just been an NPC to give you the flashback sequence in the mansion, since that is literally all he had to offer to the story.

Yuffie also has no relevance to the story at all. The entire Wutai trip could have been easily done without her even existing, and she has nothing to say or do outside of it.

Cait Sith? His relevance ended after the Temple. Should have been cut from the party.

Barret was irrelevant after Corel Prison, since his personal drama was done.

If you say "well, he wanted to stop the Shinras!" then you have to concede that the XG cast all wanted to stop Deus and that was just as relevant.

The point is that a character in a video game is more than just a plot device, so their "story relevance" is not the defining factor to what makes them a good party member.
Anonymous No.725296403 [Report]
>>725282271
>Where do aliens come from?
other planets/outer space
>is Mako/Materia alive?
In the sense that plants are alive, sure
Anonymous No.725296551 [Report]
>>725284605
Galuf is the only real nigga in that group, everyone else is bland as fuck.
Anonymous No.725296628 [Report]
Tell me about Cid, why does he run like a retard?
Anonymous No.725297263 [Report]
>>725289797
Yuna is a nothing character. Rikku is better in x-2. Wakka has a single character trait.
Anonymous No.725298048 [Report]
>>725296015
This is such a bizarre equivalence.

Yuffie and Vincent can indeed be cut from the story... because they're optional recruits and don't actually need to be there.

As for the rest of the cast, it's not about plot relevance - it's about having cohesion and camaraderie in the party. Barrett, Red XIII, Cid, and Caith Sith all continue to have interactions with the rest of the cast throughout the story. They comment on stuff happening in cutscenes. They reflect on past events in side conversations. They throw around jokes and banter, which makes them feel like people who actually know one another and have good reasons to remain together as a crew. The same can't be said for half of Xenogears' cast, who proceed to shut up and barely utter a word past their main arcs and have very tenuous reasons for following Fei and the gang.
Anonymous No.725298445 [Report] >>725299120 >>725299337
>>725285287
Can you even win like that?
Anonymous No.725299120 [Report]
>>725298445
Not that guy, but I'm this guy >>725295458 and with the power fist item, the white shirt and the heal staff/helm, any party can clear the game, it won't even be enormously difficult until the ToF but that'll take forever getting through because every fight takes an eternity (you'll only have 1 wm attacking most of the time) and you need good RNG for the Tiamat fight because he can open with an instakill move that can possibly wipe your party. Later versions of the game with phoenix downs and high potions obviously make the whole thing much easier.
Anonymous No.725299337 [Report]
>>725298445
Every class can equip the Masamune, even White Mage/Wiz. So you can have at least one good damage.
Anonymous No.725299570 [Report]
>>725295127
Vincent has more of a reason to fight sephiroth than every other party member. The only other one with more agency is dead
Anonymous No.725299746 [Report] >>725300450
>>725277142 (OP)
Remake is garbage.
The original is the one worth playing.
Anonymous No.725300450 [Report]
>>725299746
The further I get in the original and am see more of plot details and character interactions the worse the remake saga gets to me. Like, I thought it was shocking how Cloud was fucking wailing on Aerith, also everyone has mentioned that Sephiroth is of course way too present too early, but the same goes for Zack too. But I guess Zackwank has been a complaint for over 15 years now.