Thread 725280141

It's better than we thought.

how the hell food supply for armies work across seas?

>>725280621
you use navy

>>725280681
but can I automate it or do I manually move boats or what?

>>725280709
keep navy on coast and put the army on that coast

>>725280141 (OP)
>Succession
Broken
>Situations
Buggy
>Warfare
Easily exploited
>Ai
Incapable of anything if it’s not France
Yep, it’s paradox gaming time

early game ROG?
late game production?

>>725281039
Depends on country size, location density and government types.

>>725281502
>EU4
cringe

>>725280141 (OP)
I beat my first game as Hungary. I won by finishing as super power.

Here's my review.

Pros:
>game is very fun and has tons of variety depending on what you want to play
>mechanics go very in-depth, but it is not punishing if you don't want to engage with them. I loved the Columbus exchange mechanic, but I couldn't engage it with a lot besides planting tobacco and chili in Hungary
>there are tons of little details everywhere, a playthrough can take easy 30-40 hours, and I think I only discovered the parliament discussion menu around 1760 (and by accident)
>warfare is very fun, the huge map could nearly allow you to larp as Napoleon moving 120 thousand corps in battles all over the place

Cons:
>the AI is not aggressive enough. Ottomans failed to conquer Byzantium, the russian states are still slaves to the Golden Horde even when they outgun them
>Castille gave up the reconquista, France invaded Iberia, then France collapsed
>too many tiny states everywhere in late game, even when everybody has the imperialism and nationalism casus belli unlocked
>"french revolution" failed to trigger
>there was no "thirty years war"
>the great power of Europe was Hungary and Poland, allowed to fester without the threat of the HRE, the Ottomans and Russia
>definitely they need an aggression patch
>it was nice to see revolutions all over the New World, like historically, but since there was no Napoleon, Spain just beat them

81/100 -> Too time-consuming, needs a 1600s start. Mechanics are in-depth, but you don't really need to engage with them to win.

Pic related is the world map at the end.

>>725282135
Pic related is the victory screen.

>late game combat changes dramatically from early and mid-game combat due to tech and army sizes changing
>armies can take prisoners, then you can either ransom or try to hire those prisoners as mercenaries
>some nations have unique technology
>you can later on in the game try to unify some culture groups through cosmopolitan education and state policy
>the main hindrance to war is that if your enemy has colonies, you can conquer them whole and only get 50% warscore
>too many wargoals are barricaded from you with >100+ warscore demand, there is no true unconditional surrender
>there are very interesting mechanics to countries under personal union, which includes laws between them, I was at one point in a commonwealth with Hungary-Poland-Bulgaria-Lithuania
>pic related was the final map, but don't let it fool you: France was once almighty before it collapsed due to a civil war, the big Russia-like Ruthenia does not pack any punch, the Balkans looked ugly as hell and I had to fight multiple wars to expel every single colony because it seemed like all of Italy was playing tall
>with advancements in medicine, ruler life expectancy grows, and by the end of the game your rulers can get really old

Not bad to beat the game in my first rodeo. There are many mechanics, but the playthrough is so damn long that you'll learn most of them if you decide to engage with that aspect.

I only didn't do naval warfare and colonization and trade (it was automated, I only built stuff and made war to make me more relevant in the trade world).

>>725280141 (OP)
its basically a mobile game I really don't care about grand strategy slop

>>725282376
0/10 bait

I shall play again as my country, Hungary, because I refuse to play as the non- and sub-human factions before fantasy mods are released.

Also, Kingdom Come: Deliverance is pure czech propaganda. The Empire of Hungary-Austria is the real name. Romenians can have their stupid mountain so they can throw themselves off it. Don't believe the color revolution, Órban is the only thing stopping the globalhomo from turning us into India.

>>725281502
So true zister

>>725282135
There's promise but right now it sounds like nothing ever happens simulator

>>725282842
EU3 is a very tense game to play as Hungary, so is EU4. You are surrounded by hungry dogs. In this game, I never felt like my neighbors were particularly hungry.

Russia never formed. Golden Horde didn't ever expand. The russian kingdoms didn't try to rebel and unify. Ottoman empire failed to launch. France got big and conquered Aragon and occupied half of England before a big revolt made them collapse. The AI failed to deliver the Reconquista, and let Rome fall to Tunis. Africa was more colonized than America.

I just think the game still needs to nail the 'fuck around and find out' atmosphere that EU3 and EU4 had. Combat is actually very fun and would have been amazing in Victoria 3, but that game was devved back in the anti-Chud area and they refused to give us toy soldiers.

I was really the one trying to get things going in Europe, I had a commonwealth of Hungary-Poland-Bulgaria-Lithuania at one point, which we used to defeat the lutherans in Bohemia.

what stats matter for general? all of them or only military?

too much shit

Castles take fucking forever to fall
Literally two years to take one without siege

bloat: the game
meiou was a mistake

>>725283334
I split off small detachments and then forgets about the sieges

>>725280141 (OP)
It's meiou and taxes and it's bloated garbage where you spend 20 hours (an entire eu4 campaign) just to reach the age of discovery and start conquering, at which point the AI cannot compete with you if you developed your nation semi-competently.

did anybody else look at the starting map and think "none of these nations are interesting"? or just me

>>725283776
Just you... What nations did you ever consider interesting in any historical game?

>>725283683
>at which point the AI cannot compete with you if you developed your nation semi-competently

Not true, anon. I had the world's largest military. I can tell the AI never gave me ane easy time once war actually broke out. They invaded all over, used levies, regular armies. They instantly upgrade to have the latest infrastructure.

The AI is very competent except for diplomacy, where they just don't have the ambition.

I had 30 cuckolds in a coalition against my expansion. They never launched an attack, so I went into YOU WON'T DO SHIT and I attacked the head of the coalition and forced converted the lutherans back to the Pope's way.

>>725283776
me but that also happens to me with eu4

>>725283776
I look at life and think "none of these nations are interesting". It is called severe depression.

>>725283776
that's how I thought the last 5 times I tried to play eu4, now there was enough fresh paint to try them all again

>>725283906
here's a list of my most recent eu4 saves
ming
delhi
golden horde
poland
inca
naples
ireland
majapahit
ajam
portugal
lotharingia
hawaii
iroqouis
netherlands

the hre is incredibly boring and samey to me, iberia is iberia, france is france, italy is italy, anatolia is anatolia

i feel like i've played everywhere in eu4 and eu5 doesn't make me any more interested in playing nations again

>>725284335
Okay but now you can play the game in ways that aren't just painting the map and going through your railroaded mission tree.

>>725280795
what if I need to move inland?

>>725284391
the mission trees are the only thing that kept me playing after the first 1000 hours, it's way more interesting than a sandbox

>>725284391
yeah like sitting around and building roads, riveting gameplay

>>725284335
Just take a break then.

>>725284421
I think your soldiers plunder for resources as you take over provinces, I've only ran out while staying for a siege

>>725284335
Hang yourself brownshit

>>725284642
lmao fucking retard
go rebuild prussia for the 100th time, people who actually play the game get bored of being in europe every single time

Why is it so fucking slow? Even with 5 speed. Also how do I get rich? Vicky was probably my least liked Paradox game, and here the economy looks like Vicky...too much things to do for my brain.

is this worth the buy? I'm not keen on buying the 50 dlc later on but I heard you can pirate those and use with the steam version

Is it worth to build Hospitals against Black Death?

>>725284780
there's no denuvo so you can pirate it and try it yourself
i did and decided it wasn't for me

>>725281039
Depends. If your immediate needs are fulfilled in the market, it's best to pump up RGO's, if there is money available.

>>725283906
Papal States, Ethiopia, Georgia, Moscovy, Castille, Denmark, Hungary, Austria, Daimyos, Cuzco

Countries I never played and never will:
France, England, Brandenburg, Venice, Ottomans, any part of the HRE that isn't Austria, Holland.

>>725280141 (OP)
lack of mission trees completely killed any interest i had in the game
not only does it give replayability but it also makes the AI do shit because of mission weights and the bonuses they provide
>>725282135
>>725282298
>>725282842
an "aggression" patch wouldnt solve the fundamental problem of the game having nothing to do
my first game was a colonizing portugal and i had to sit through a bunch of nothingness for 6 hours until my explorers could finally not take 7 years to explore madeira
castille would not finish the reconquista nor merge with aragon to form spain
england did not push into scotland or ireland
france did not consolidate

>>725281502
Muscovy has a shitload of events and unique reforms in EUV. Kremlin, which you get quite early, is pretty broken as a building. Maybe you should steer clear of the HRT, xister?

>>725285037
>not only does it give replayability but it also makes the AI do shit because of mission weights and the bonuses they provide
i never thought about lack of missions being the reason for why AI is retarded, paradox drops the ball again

>>725284980
So how would i do as Sweden? pump RGO to in Stockholm areas? Colonise then later pump to Iron to make weapons?

>>725285125
Like I said, it depends. If there's no money available from burgher buildings, marketplaces are built and roads are as well, then yes, spam RGO's, if there's money in them. Lumber and mason prices are good to keep low for cheaper building prices, so overproduce those.

>>725285067
Then why does the AI make use of none of them and produce no believable world as Russia never forms?

>>725284842
if you got the money and a province with high population

>>725284472
>>725284515
lol go play your fucking visual novels

>>725285314
Because the AI is garbage and is way too passive. Muscovy start is also not a automatic walk in the park. Reminder that the Tatar yoke was only broken in 1480 in real life. A player can do it pretty easily in 1360.

Cahokia is surprisingly neat so far, with mayo's economy mechanics there's still stuff to do before yuros arrive
Stone tool production can go fuck itself though

>>725285498
>YOU'RE ENJOYING THE GAME WRONG!!!! GO PLAY.... OTHER GAME!!!! FUCK YOUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>725285498
johan ain't sending his best folks

After the war I deleted my armies to get more monthly gold but do they actually don't have monthly money costs? Do they only take monthly manpower?

>Black plague hits
>Everyone ded
Wat nou?

yeah fuck this imma play iv instead

>>725285116
eu4s ai is fairly basic and operates on a few general principles
>completing its mission tree (which will give the tag permaclaims, encouraging war)
>attitudes, determining how one tag views another and its behaviour will change based on it
>personalities which tweak how the AI ruler operates their tag, see the "AI Ruler would" column https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/index.php?title=Personalities
you can even view it yourself in EU4\Common\ai_ folders
EU5 distinctly lacks any of this AI variation meaning the AI in EU5 has no longterm goals to expand itself or selfpreservation when facing large coalitions or enemies

>>725285946
there is a difference between levies and professional armies

>>725286025
With M&T?

>>725285987
It's mostly peasant retards who died. Just go to war like normal, because your neighbours suffered from the plague just the same.

>>725285987
peasant promotion

I don't like it.
the starting date is ass
100 of doing nothing but spreading control and the mechanics for developmment are not that deep
to play a non-war gameplay and see numbers go up I'll play Victoria 3

>>725286164
ew no

>>725285793
>>725285794
seethe

>>725286025
>NOOOOOOOOOO I NEED TO BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB
cringe

>>725285067
The EU 4 pic is actually Novgorod Russia since you can see the green hat

>>725285987
sit on your hands for 40 years

>Have a claim to a territory in Hungary
>Become allies
>Get an event to buy the territory from them, they accept
I like that, I don't remember that happening in EU4

>>725286457
Why do shills pretend you can't blob in this one? Have you even played it?

>>725286457
that's the only thing to do in v since ai is braindead though

>play for almost the entire day
>not even 1400 yet
dios mios

>>725287163
From my experience blobbing is a low slower tho
Integrating a province takes forever because you need to use the council to do it and then you need to slowly increase the control

>>725286275
>vic 3
Opinion discarded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml2GsTYnvFo

Paradox actually sponsored a far-left literal tranny to make "comedy" videos about the game btw

>>725287682
Ok.

>>725287682
Good thing I have never given the swedecucks a single cent.

>>725287682
hot

Japan is currently broken so don't waste your time on it. I'm starting to suspect many events are under MTTH a long time before they trigger so your goose may be plucked quite a bit in advance also.

>>725287682
Why do you care?

>>725288054
You just revealed yourself as an autogynephile with autism

how do i make females in my nation breeding sluts so i can go from 500k to 5mil population?

>>725288206
Double sabbath, for some reason, increases pop growth. Same with prosperity or development. Then there is available land in location.

>>725287682
kek, that's actually funny

>>725288391
the LA LA LA LA LA LA LA song is better

Japans biggest problem is the boring gameplay until the map explodes randomly in 1400 for Sengoku jidai and then its absolute border gore hell

>>725288391
I think I'm getting into classic music

>>725287682
They've sponsored about 30 “content creators” retards to do shit for the game, why should I care about this one in particular?

wat do

>>725288391
Soundtrack for this game has been excellent.

>>725281502
>eu5 trannies having a meltdown
Okay pretty based.

>>725287682
No wonder there's so much shilling for this mid game on /v/.

>>725289201
Historically getting involved in Italy was absolutely fucking disastrous for the emperors.

>>725289454
What GSGs have you played?

refugees welcome*

>>725288391
3uncs know which is best
https://youtu.be/IriHuHQnMIw

Anyone playing on Linux?
It played a few days ago for me, but I think after the recent patch, it's been crashing on me whenever I try to run Play on Steam.

>>725286154
And how is it with professional armies? Do they have monthly gold cost or only manpower?

I just want to be able to call parliament and get a casus beli at game start instead of having to wait 2 years or whatever. Just let me get a good war right at the game start instead of forcing me to wait.

>play holland
>pop up recommends me to build marketplaces in my towns
>do just that
>wonder why my income is plummeting instead of rising
>realize marketplaces boost my burgher influences everywhere and now my crown only has 15% power which lowers my income even more
Man this is some shit

>>725286836
you could do shenanigans with getting subject cores in eu4 from allies in return for favors

>play holland
>pop up recommends me to build marketplaces in my towns
>do just that
>make lots of money
>conquer to build more marketplaces

>>725289883
That's Ostsiedlung, German equivalent of Manifest Destiny

>>725280141 (OP)
It still needs a lot of work but as a base release it's the best one they've done in fucking AGES. I think with a few more patches and (sadly) DLCs it could be by far their best game. A lot of areas need more flavor, the AI stuff's been discussed to death, colonization mechanics need to be improved, the economy needs to be reworked a bit, the Revolutionary Era in particular feels underbaked... but it's all stuff that can actually be reasonably fixed within the context of the base game. I'm genuinely shocked that modern Paradox has produced something that's both not just outright garbage at launch but also can clearly be improved without needing insane overhauls to the fundamental core of the game.

>>725291258
Yeah meanwhile I'm making negative ducats after building 3 marketplaces..

>>725291552
Are you using all your marketplace capacity? For some reason when I built marketplaces it kept some of the capacity unused (for manual trades) so it wasn't earning me any money until I raised the automation slider.

>stay unaligned in the Hundred Years War
>England got FUCKED in a war with France, but France only took their stuff on the mainland
>walk in
>take their actual shit

>>725291552
are your merchants trading? you should be making money from the get go by just automating the trade, although I'd recommend building the sergantry for crown power and some rgo's / paper before going all in on marketplaces

>>725291690
>>725291869
Yes my trade was set on full auto

How do irush to centralization?

>>725291731
>scotland fourth greatest power
The AI really don't do fuck all

>never played a GSG before
>decided this would be my first
>no idea what I'm even doing
>havin quite a bit of fun
>looking at the map is ver sastifying
>now gonna watch one of those "begginner" guides that 2 hours long

>>725292108
They only do things when they're heavily scripted to, like the Hundred Years War

>>725289606
nothing im severely depressed and i want everything to suck

How do you guys handle the first 3 years? Is it worth it to put money into hospitals? I thought of mass migrating into the capital and putting a hospital on it, but I'm not sure that's the best use of early game money.

>>725292281
What year? Because "the AI doesn't do anything" was kind of hyperbole, they do make moves, just very, very slowly. Like obvious moves the player can do in 5 years it takes them 50 to even try.

>>725292363
>3*
10, whoops

>>725292363
Google step 5 of the Kühler-Ross model

>>725288502
we had it already in half of other paradox games tho

>>725290601
both

>>725292363
Depends on the country. If you start with vassals, work on diplo annexing them. If you start near another country that's going to war, 3rd party them (like >>725291731)
Other than that, you kind of just sit around and play Vicky until you can embrace Professional Armies which lets you build an actual fucking standing army.

give me a comfy country in europe, my milan game ended up in coalition destroying me

>>725292615
Oh and don't bother trying to build Hospitals and stuff, the Black Death is fucked right now and you basically don't make a difference with it unlike other diseases, ~40% of your pop is GOING to die.

>>725292429
1400, although they do need to fix the bordergore.
I got no idea what austrias endgame is with this shit

>>725282135
>Guarani Grand Republic

>>725291258
are market villages worth it? making some good money as aragon already but i feel i could do better, all my towns have marketplaces already (didn't build them, they start with one)
i could upgrade them i guess but how much does that add? is it like adding an entire second market on the same province or is it diminishing?

What happened to the /gsg/ threads on /vg/? I stopped going about 4 years ago and there aren't any anymore. Did discussion dry up or did it collapse from tripcode autism?

>>725293017
look at him go

>>725293170
Shitposters have rendered the thread unusable for over half a decade now, it genuinely is one of the worst generals that exist on this site.

>>725293289
it doesnt even exist anymore

>>725293317
All for the better

>>725293170
>>725293317
it's on /vst/
honestly no idea what happened to that place, who posts there or what the fuck it even is
t. posted there 10 years ago

>>725293170
/gsg/ is alive on /vst/ sadly. full of miserable doomer chincel "nazis"

>>725293143
theyre alright, I havent bought more than a dozen though since I use my money to mostly build up urban buildings

Is the game worth it in its current state or should one wait a few weeks/months for patches? Is it a crashfest with garbage UI design?

>>725294052
Just pirate it, it's perfectly playable
Surprisingly I haven't gotten a crash yet

>>725294181
60 bucks isn't that much to me, I usually get the base game on steam for convenience and then cream/pirate all the DLC for these types of games. I'm moreso concerned if it's fun or not

>>725292842
I wonder were they got their inspiration from for those borders. I'm no history nutcase but that shit doesn't make much sense to me

>>725294052
the ui is absolutely fine. it just works. what people dont like is how soulles the art style it but it just werks fine

>>725294052
>Is the game worth it in its current state
Its the best 1.0 release pardox has ever done, although that isnt saying much but its just so much fun.

>>725294448
I'll take your word for it then, fuck it. I'm bored of CK2, V2 and EU3

>>725293170
Still alive though as you can see it has acquired a dedicated group of butthurt newfags treating it as the devil in order to fit in.

which nation i choose

>>725294613
the uninstall.exe

>>725294613
what do you want to do?

have sex robbie

>>725294865
i dont know, hows Aragon.

>>725294941
Is that Johan's wife?

>>725286836
>Hongrie

>>725295034
I think they got several events and got good opportunities to expand in the mediterranean sea

>>725294290
>I'm no history nutcase but that shit doesn't make much sense to me
they were even worse in real life

>>725294865
NTA but I want to play tall as some European nation, I'm thinking Austria or Switzerland

>>725294290
yeah absolutely bordergore did happen. see Kilia along the coast of the black sea? Hunyadi just seized it from Moldavia in the 1400s
some of the bohemian kings also held a province directly under their control in northern italy, tho I can’t quite remember which one it was

>>725280141 (OP)
>be castilla
>my wife is regent of portugal
>can't use my royal family for shit because they go back and forth between the two countries
I'm missing like 50% crown power because of this shit, if this ain't a bug I want my money back

>>725295378
Oui.

>>725296372
The issue with playing tall is that you need to find something else to do while not waging war for expansion, if you're not using a 2nd screen to watch something on
Austria got HRE that they can play police in, Switzerland get get a bit boring, if you're not getting italian vassals to feed land otherwise I think that the pope could be fun as there's lots of early events and wars that's not about expansion

>>725296854
Alright, is good old France good for my first game or will it teach me bad habits because it's too strong?

>>725296372
>i want to play tall
the netherlands.
the always is always the netherlands

>>725295510
majorca declared independcy on me and portugal broke off their alliance because of this
im gonna play something lese the game literally doesnt work

Is it better to gain control and then integrate or integrate and then gain control?

>>725296372

Holland is the best to play tall in just like CK3

>>725297225
you always integrate first
thats like coring
control is autonomy

So how do I make a claim on a province on other side of the sea? Parlament will still allow it?

Literally where do I start with this series
Also do I need to read a textbook to get it or is it retard friendly bc it doesn't look retard friendly

>>725297365
That makes sense now thank you

>new game
>random event for -7 stab
>another one
>another one
>-10 stab or - 5 stab and -20% satisfaction

Wowee

You can't do anything in the early game now


Also:
>start as Muscovy
>get +36 income
>ruler dies, nothing else changes
>+2 income, dipping into red and then debt spiral
Nice automation awesome code
Also it's kinda shitty that game just throws you some events like "build a cool building and economically ruin yourself" twice in the first ten years and then plague happens and half of your tax base dies because you can't have any disease resistance

How can I get other groups like Burgerij in my cabinet?

>>725297969
If you have very little strategy game experience I’d recommend something easier like CK3 or HoI4 first.

>>725298265
skill issue. be glad youre not born in 1337, you'd never make it

God the ally AI is deeply retarded in combat
>They leave you to your death even if you're fighting in a province nearby
>They run around the map confused spending two years capturing a castle
A bit frustrating

>>725298265
stop whining Ivan, you're a slav you can handle misery

no AI fix no buy

haha, you can't even change the fuckin province capital anymore

>>725298808
You can

What is this ally AI bruuuuuuuuv

>>725298880
how?

>>725297073
they are good

What are some good ways to improve control? I know roads help, but they're pretty expensive and only increase it a tiny bit. Is there anything else I can do?

>>725299162
Crown power. Really it’s just gonna take time until you get more advancements

>>725285314
That's been my experience with EUIV Russia too. Muscovy always gets curbstomped by its neighbors and it's rare to see a historical Russia in my games.

>>725299162
ports
rivers
modifiers

bailiffs (can bite you in the ass)

>>725299025
Government (F1) > Country tab > Top left corner

I hate parliament. When I don't do it every couple years they lose satisfaction. But if I do it I never have enough support so it always fails and I just lose stability

>>725299162
You can create vassals from what I have seen that will increase the power for you and pay you for it, and then annex them. I haven't tested that strategy yet but it seems like it comes with its own risks

>>725299386
not him but I didn't know about those shortcuts (F1, F2...). Thanks

>>725299162
like the other anons said, but also navy is pretty handy.
also just making the pops happy gives you control

>>725299386
i said province capital not country capital

>>725299627
Ah dunno then

>>725299162
I moved my capital to a better position, built roads to the corners of my kingdom and made some vassals at the edges, forts also seams to help

so what's the best way to deal with the plague? plague houses on your big cities or going with segregation?

WHY ARE ACHIEVEMENTS DISABLED?

>>725299940
herd immunity, fuck dem peasants

>>725299679
>made some vassals at the edges
Can you just do that after a war or even if you already have taken the land for yourself?

>>725299940
you still loose half of your pops no matter what you do because it's coded very badly

as moscow I always loose ~150k despite that irl eastern europe had the least % of population dead due to shitty infrastructure and it was hit later than western europe, but in EU5 everything happens backwards

>>725300350
yea, you can release historical nations or regions and then feed them land

Can you give land in war to your vassal instead of taking it for yourself? I don't see an option like that anywhere.

>>725301324
Alright I've found out how. Nice, I just wasted a couple centuries not doing that

>>725281502
>I made Russia bigger!

VHG....

Recommendations for growing population? Is playing tall optimal?

>>725301859
just keep an eye that their borders doesn't touch too much, they can war each others without involving you resulting in border gore

>>725302129
ashikaga will not stop at two bombs

I NEED BOOKS MORE FUCKING BOOKS KEEP MAKING THE FOOOKING BOOOOOOOKS

>>725302129
Are you able to prevent sengoku jidai?

Are you supposed to be doing anything with artists? I don't get it. It says "free to hire", as if they aren't hired, and I'm not paying any salary, and yet I can't click "hire artist" either, because it says I already have one.

>Removed the mana mechanic
Can't wait for the upcoming DLCs to bring them back for no reason at all.

>>725304447
Not happening, everything is built around Pops now.

>>725280141 (OP)
this shit is so ass

I thought nothing ever happens? I got declared on by france and lost 70% of my land

>>725304440
you can pay them 300 bucks and they sit on their arse doing nothing untill they die of old age while commissioned works remain at 0% completion

Yoink

I have no idea what the fuck I am doing, are you supposed to play the tutorial as opposed to just learning by playing?

>>725304838
have you tried embracing the renaissance

>>725304440
Free to hire means they are sitting in your country. You need renaissance embraced and invest in culture researched which will add a slider on the expenses screen. That's their salary, they won't do anything without it (it will be stuck at 0% even if you go to their character screen and commission something). But if the slider is turned up they will usually start working on something even if you don't commission anything.

There was an event where someone from a rival nation seeked refuge in my nation, and after that another event came where he wanted me to take in for of his people.
I did and it said I would get 100 of them for the next 5 years.
Is there anywhere on the UI I can see this event now? I want to see exactly when that ends so I know if I can wait a little with my war against them

>>725304804
>he fell for french propaganda

>>725304949
Depends, I skipped the tutorial but I can't be bothered to learn trade so I automated that, the rest I just winged it old school.

>>725304949
I skipped it as well and just winged it, I did restart my run once or twice though because of things I learned from playing.

>>725304870
France intervened in my le blobbing

>>725304838
make sure the slider isn't set to 0

>>725305034
Government tab in the top middle maybe?

>>725305062
the hre is a fucking joke, austria was the emperor and he got slapped around by fucking britanny

>>725305034
I don't remember if it's just to capital, if so it should be in location modifiers next to the terrain and shit

>>725305296
The only problem is that I don't feel like I'm learning anything, I managed to get upgrade to a Duchy and I'm annexing Zeeland right now but I don't really feel like I've earned any of it, I'm just clicking the buttons as they appear at the top.

>>725280141 (OP)
How does it compare to EU4?

>click button to form PLC
>literally nothing changed other than the flag
>no claims, no cores, no events
>didn't even get Lithuanian culture as accepted
bravo johan

>>725305738
you think PLC irl got claims cores and events in 1566? yeah exactly

>>725305738
>>literally nothing changed other than the flag
retard

>>725305931
I expected at least a tiny bit of instant gratification

>>725305647
Do you like having 20 useless alerts on the top of the screen covering up the important ones? If so then it's great.
How hard is it to implement shift-right click to perma hide them like in EU4, and then you can bring them up again at any time from the muted alerts in the outliner

should I buy the game now or wait later to pirate it when some DLCs inevitably drop? I can play KCD + 2 in the meantime

>>725306174
how should we know you retard

>>725283334
just like IRL then

I can't invite any country to Guelphs because it shows me that they aren't a member of Ghibellines. But they are. Bug or am I missing something?

>>725305579
it'll take a while and requires quite a bit of reading what each building and laws do and how they play into the economy.

>>725306306
try again when you got a diplomat

>>725306174
It's honestly decently fleshed out and not barebones like their previous 5 or so releases.
The only people that have problems with the game are EU4 players not used to actual complexity.

How to get more Cabinets?

>>725306704
Renaissance
Empire rank

>>725306704
post another pic of her and ill tell

>playing as the Byzantines thinking it's gonna be a breeze not having to start with 3 provinces like in EU4
>negative stability
>3 pending disasters at the same time
>ruler died and next one is a 3 year old stupid child
>earthquake on Constantinople that costs 900+ gold to fix
Oh boy can't wait for the black death

if youre savescumming and you complain about blobbing your opinion is irrelevant

>>725306569
makes no difference
and it's the same case for every single member of Ghibellines

>>725305409
I know where you mean but it's not there
>>725305494
Next time I will read the tooltip better. Maybe it really is to one capital. Fuck it, it's negligible anyway

1444 was the superior start date

>>725307284
t. >>725307136

>>725307141
weird, might actually be a bug then aldoe i havent played in italy yet

Making blobbing difficult is a great addition. I don't like how some countries get like 20 unique events and mechanics while equivalent countries get like 4 or 5. Hopefully there is more fluff added with later patches

>NINE HUNDRED AND FORTY NINE AGGRESSIVE EXPANSION
Sweet Lord Jesus may the coalition have mercy on me.

>>725307141
It's worded by retards but I think that means they are in fact already a member of the ghibellines and that's why you can't do it.
As in, the tooltip says you can only do this action if [target] is NOT a member if ghibellines

Usually I like starting PDX games as a tiny country but it seems like a bad choice here given the slow pace, need for massive stability and difficulty in expanding

Should I aim for deflation? Or is that even a thing here

>>725307304
Usually with Paradox games you only need to pay attention to about 10-15% of the charts and sliders, people just haven't quite figured out the meta yet

How's Venice?

The mechanics are really good. I think this is the first time I am enjoying a paradox game outside of the victoria line.

I LOVE the complexity of the food supply lines during war, you need to properly position your navy and strategically take over coastal towns to build up a supply line during amphibious landings before able to continue on without starving your military.

It was also SO satisfying doing guerilla warfare to an army 10x my size by simply cutting off supplies and making them choke to death before finishing them off for the warscore.

The only thing I really disliked is the "claim throne" CB. I managed to take England's throne but it's still considered a separate nation in spite of in-game reasoning meaning they have the same ruler and will forever have the same heirs, they should be unified in the UI if you ask me.

>super early start date
>AI does absolutely nothing
Nigger why

>>725307304
Usually with Paradox games you only need to pay attention to about 10-15% of the charts and sliders, people just haven't quite figured out the metagame yet

>>725307961
You can unify them through through the union laws thoughbeit

>>725307304
Usually with Paradox games you only need to pay attention to about 10-15% of the charts and sliders, people just haven't quite figured out the meta yet

>>725307961
>I managed to take England's throne but it's still considered a separate nation
look up how unions were handled in real life

Is it better than MIEOU 3.0 yet?

https://youtu.be/2ZjYDxxswb8

damn chud sisters dafuq we do now??

>>725307961
>I managed to take England's throne but it's still considered a separate nation in spite of in-game reasoning meaning they have the same ruler and will forever have the same heirs, they should be unified in the UI if you ask me.

>>725287682
would for sure

>>725280141 (OP)
is it good enough to overcome "map of earth fatigue"? because whenever i've tried to play a map game in the last couple years i just feel instant boredom of moving my little guys around the same old landmasses, i need new continents and oceans to fight over. (the dots and lines of a space map do nothing for me also)

should i keep playing darkest hour 2 or buy eu5?

Is this good for 1400 Polska? Hungary is my BFF and fights wars for me

How do I into money

Is the money strat
>ban export of gold / silver
>just keep fucking buying everyones gold / silver
?

I just won my first war, annexed some lads to my east, it was easier than expected

>>725312564
oh

>>725312797
the HRE experience

>>725305738
How do you have 2k gold in 1470?

I just started playing, no idea what am doing. Should I be constantly doing stuff, like queuing up buildings, setting up R.G.Os etc or should I be doing stuff as needed? I honestly have no idea what I'm even supposed to be doing, I have a few small goals in mind but I'm kinda waiting for the pieces to be done, once those goals are done how do I set up or find other goals?

>>725312564
>taking a bunch of clay
>in the lowlands
i haven't really gotten to test out antagonism that much, but you're probably fucked if on ironman lol

>>725313302
>i haven't really gotten to test out antagonism that much, but you're probably fucked if on ironman lol
Why? Am I just supposed to wait for a free Netherlands event or what's wrong with taking some land piecemeal by piecemeal?

>>725312564
>>725312797
Literally did the exact same start (county of holland merged into duchy of holland, and then have a coalition fuck me up)

They are simultaneously overpowered and underpowered. You annex one country and the entire world hates you, however the coalition war is easily lost in a good way where you don't lose any territory which will result in the coalition dismantling during the truce.

Just try to take some easy territory and then sue for peace where you offer war reparations and humiliation (nothing of substance)

>>725299025
It changes automatically. I think it depends on population size and territory rank

>>725305931
Pretty sure these are available to base Poland

>>725313301
Depends on your income. Build roads from your capital to other cities to increase control, ans bailif to the ones far away. Have a look at all the urban buildings that aren't for cash and build the ones that you think are going to be useful for the long run.
You can also use your money to upgrade settlements to towns, or create new settlements on the map.

>>725313301
It's a sandbox game you make your own goals.

>>725313286
you can improve relations with larger countries and get 500 money for free

>>725313469
Do coalitions sort of work the same in eu4 where you can try to improve relations up to the max with your neighbours to stop them from forming?

Anybody tested if light boats are best for keeping maritime presence or if the ship type doesn't matter?

-ACK!

>>725283776
Yeah, so I clicked random and ended up as some muslim nation I've never heard of somewhere around modern day pakistan. It's fun.

>>725314048
Thanks for the advice


>ans bailif

I have no idea what that means.

>>725314232
Right. I guess I'll stick to the small goals I have now and go from there.

How can I make other countries WANT to become my vassals?

Nice if they finally managed to make a halfay decent game but I have no faith in Paradox not to ruin it in the coming years.
EU4 has been trash for the past 5+ years.

>google some question about the game
>20 fucking youtube videos show up
>click the r*ddit link
>some retard just linking anothr shit fucking youtube video

Why can't these faggots just type out the answer? I don't want to watch a 30 fucking minute video that boils down to "click this button. It's always the same shit with these fucking games

>youtube
>youtube
>youtube
>youtube

god damn just fuck off all ready.

>>725314861
I meant *and
Bailiff is a building that will give a proximity boost but won't stack with other modifiers like capital proximity or roads, so you only want to build them in cities that are so far from your capital so that even building roads won't do shit.

>>725315014
Goo thing there are mods then

>>725315220
As far as i know most important mods rely on the niggercattle systems that ruined the game in the first place

>>725315014
It's pretty barebones, at best you're going to see re-released content DLCs for flavour and a mission revamp because the AI is utterly aimless.

What's the minting strategy in this game? Is it like in EU3 where you don't want to passively mint but instead mint a lot in bursts and then let inflation burn off?

Playing Portugal, is there anyway to get market access ot to the azores or do I need to make it its own market?

Whats a good building?

>>725316104
Depends what you want but you can't really go wrong with libraries, roads, markets, chancery, and any rgo or building that will make the most money

What determines the cap to shifting values? I can't move the bar.

>>725314302
Yes, it actually directly lowers antagonism instead of being some calculation of their opinion on you.

>invade far away country
>take them as your fiefdom / vassal
>wait
>good control
>annex
>control goes slowly back to being shit
I don't get it. Should I not annex and just let them be?

>>725313447
Between being in the HRE and the lowlands having a shit ton of dev taking a few pieces of land is coalition central. Granted I'm still going by eu4 mostly as 5 is new but your follow up post seems to be confirming

>>725316978
>invade far away country
That's your problem. Control is directly tied to proximity to your capital. It's gonna be shit until mid/late game where you get technologies to boost it. It's better to have vassals if they're far away until then

>>725316507
Pretty sure it's the opposite value pushing back
>>725316978
control is only part of it. go read the tooltip on proximity

>>725317362
>>725317413
Alright, then I just won't do it.
I also noticed that they barely built any buildings or RGOs. Am I supposed to do it for them? My guess is they don't have the money because they barely make any. So I could give them a headstart. Or is that a bad thing for some reason I don't see now?

>>725294290
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Droysens-26.jpg

>>725315758
I just set it so I have no inflation, but it's probably something you can run high and then turn down while war reps pay for everything.

>>725316104
There's one that you build in the capital and gives you crown power, very useful (house of parliament?)

>>725315758
I'm still trying to figure it out too but I have discovered that the burghers have a estate privilege that lowers inflation a bit so that's good to have

>>725292281
Johan just remade eu3.

Playing as an OPM is so much more painful in this game

>>725316507
It's based on how strong your pushing is. If you're pushing to centralization by 0.7262 a month your cap is 72.62, or something like that
But you can exceed the cap with events that instantly push the value. So you don't actually need +1.0 ticking. You just need it to go in the right direction.

>>725318235
Even a rich one?

>>725317767
I mean you can always build there if you plan to annex it later but I'd prioritise your capital and any region with high control for more immediate benefits

Any handgooners here?

Integration is so slow holy fuck.

>>725318613
Depends how big the place you're trying to integrate it and the skill of your cabinet member. It takes me only a few months to annex small French vassals

>decide to check out what England has going on
>dont usually care to get involved in 100 years was so look at what options there is for that
>france will buy one of the two locations near calais for 1425 ducats
>2200 starting ducats
lol

>Mostly Positive
lmao

>>725318712
>A few months
How the fuck
It takes me like +10 years to annex some random provinces with a decent cabinet

>>725318712
Nvm annexation isn't a cabinet action. Disregard that.

>>725307926
Only if you have inflation already to bring it back down. You want it to be at 0, but it can't go any lower than 0.

>>725318865
Wait are you talking about a place you conquered and want to integrate or a vassal you want to annex?

>>725318865
one thing I haven't fully understood yet is that if you partially integrate and then stop, the province will continue integrating on its own

>>725318967
Ah yeah I'm talking about integrating conquered territory

>>725319119
Yeah that takes ages

>>725318727
>check the reviews
>people complaining about the motherfucking mission trees
>performance issues for their toaster
>people leaving automation on and not understanding what's happening
>people just straight up complaining about the complexity

>>725319380
This is why overwhelmingly positive reviews on a game are a red flag. If the game doesn't at least have some haters, then the people playing it aren't invested enough to care whether it's good or not. Or it's a weird situation like a gacha game where all the reviews are gacha addicts self-affirming so it's 99% positive.
The only games worth playing are in the 70-90 range.

Another green flag is
>reviews: 65%
>reviews in your language: 85%

>>725319380
I'll review it after 1000 hours, which means it's good enough to play that long.

WTF? I am the senior leader and the intergration level for everyone is 7, with all the laws being enabled and unified. You don't just "get up and leave" because you feel like it

>>725318727
That's crazy high by Paradox standards.

>>725320016
bro I am also the senior leader of a union and I don't have any idea what that gets me lmao

15yr loli grew to grandma and dismanteled Byzantines :3

>>725280141 (OP)
Are vassals always useless in war?

>>725320145
They make for good bait if they are there as a buffer.

How do I urbanise?

>>725320145
If they're big enough to raise a decent stack of levies, they're nice as jannies that clean up stray enemy stacks and siege the odd fort for you.
The automatic access is also nice. If you vassalize one province next to an enemy you now have food access into their country.

is there really no more mana or its just "hidden"?

any way I can make countries more likely to sell me their land?

>>725320476
The only "mana" in the game I think is the religious influence, it's basically god-power used to cast holy magic spells.

>>725285116
EU3 was even more variable and aggressive and didn't have missions at all.
Early EU4 as well.

Missions are utterly terrible and does not help in any way whatsoever.

>>725320839
I respect your very wrong opinion.

>>725320480
Last I checked there's a bunch of really high negative modifiers if the land is their culture or anything remotely useful, so not really
Maybe if it's far away and/or unaccepted culture

>>725321081
but why? why would you rather want to sell your lands to someone that is alien to you, I really don't get it

so castile is pretty noob friendly right? I just checked and I'm even stronger than france, they're bullying my neighbor, the heir of Isildur, Aragorn
I don't want french people here, is it safe to fuck them up and try to unite Aragorn Castile and Portugal?

>>725319943
There's a lot of niche games that get overwhelmingly positive purely because the devs are good at only marketing to their niche.

>>725321265
Nah I mean the land itself being unaccepted by the owner. Like if France had some land in bumfuck Russia it'd easily sell it to you, but if you try to buy Bordeaux they're never selling no matter what you do.

>>725321312
Portugal is really easy since you get a claim on their throne early into the game
Aragon can rival you and be a pain in the ass that you end up having to invade. I hate that you can't marry rivals, that happened historically

>>725321410
ahhhhh I get it now. it wasn't even you, but the game also gave negative modifiers called same religion / culture, so I just assumed it's referring to my nation. okay that makes perfect sense now kek

>>725321312
France is the strongest country in the game by miles, so if you want an easy game, kill Navarre and Aragon fast while they're busy with HYW, then become best friends with France.

>>725284421
you get a supply line, just like you would if you invaded from a province.

>>725321804
>>725321494
Yeah I fucked up, I saw I had more troops, turns out France is actually pretending to be weak, I'm forcing a white peace
I'm playing ironman too for the achievements, the only other paradox games I played were CK2, CK3 and HoI3 so EU is kinda new to me
It's fine, this is a learning run. Next one I'll take Portugal and Aragon even if I have to invade them, pillage the New World and let Europe do their own thing as long as they don't touch America because it will be mine
Dude the problem is that France keeps attacking Aragon, every time I see them go to war it's against Aragon and I really don't want to be close to babysit them.

>>725321804
>>725322218
France is OP not because it's France, but because of all its small vassals with their own troops thslat will swarm you

So Timur is the early game boss and Napoleon is the end game boss of EU V?

>>725322526
No because there is no railroading or missions.

what would be my naples to latin empire strategy?
>conquer epirus
>instantly release it
>feed half of greece to epirus and other half to other greek vassal
>annex it somewhere later on when i'll have proximyty tech
so along the way it would be a bunch of oversized vassals east from me

>>725316104
Anything that increase control and crown power.
Fine cloth and furniture guilds if you have the raw resources.
Library, university or any other building that increases literacy.

>>725322526
Early boss is France and late boss is whoever unified India and China since pop count is all that matters.

Do I build RGOs for the highest profit building or more of the building that produces the most profit

>>725323228
First you build enough lumber, sand and stone extraction buildings to get the -33% building discount.
Then you gradually improve both for best profit since it takes time for pop to get promoted.

>get favors from pope so I can ask him for money
>he turns the table and uses his favors to force me into a crusade when I'm balls deep in another war

My Byzantine allies are stuck in a permanent pretender civil war. Does this shit ever end automatically?

>>725316104
Literacy buildings are great.
Literacy buildings consume books which there's always a shortage of. So you build book buildings.
Book buildings then create a shortage of paper, so you build paper buildings.

>>725323361
>to get the -33% building discount
do you only have to build them and it applies?

my king has FOUR DAUGHTERS

>>725323361
What does adding 2 to a 1/3 building do anyway
Is it better to diversify my industry? e.g. I could add +1 to papermaking which currently yields the highest profit or go for distillery which is -0.30 profit, but is a different industry since everything fluctuates in demand

>>725323404
No, rebellions are awful in this game because you have to actually take all the land unless you capture the pretender

>>725318331
I haven't tried a rich one yet. My problem is that there is no base line army you can raise anymore (at least in the new start date) and mercs cost a huge amount of gold early on. It's hard to get anything done.
Allies only help so much too because as far as I can tell there is no way to paint territory as important so allies transfer it to you when they capture it
As an aside, I don't understand how different army types work yet. I figured my feudal army would beat up tribals, but I got fucked

how deep is this game compared to hoi3, vicky2 and ck2?

>>725283334
>he doesn't know how long sieges took in real life
kek
This is like people crying about how long it takes to genocide someone in Stellaris
That shit takes FOREVER, even if you're going hard at it

>>725323994
deeper than ck2, probably deeper than vicky, never played hoi 3

>>725320476
People have turned into mana. Every tick you accumulate 1/10th of a diplomat, after 10 ticks you can put all those 10ths together and get 1 singular diplomat.
Oh you want to improve relations with someone? Sorry, our diplomats are currently disassembled.

I need 14 to call France. How do i that?

>>725288589
You should watch Amadeus.
The villain is literally a spiteful incel evil mastermind and it’s actually done well.

>>725323906
Frontage matters, so you probably can't fill it and get eaten by Cav flanks. I went all mil stuff as Portugal and still had trouble in Tangier, even with upgraded levies. The AI won't seem to cross into north Africa even though Tunis has no trouble pouring men into Granada.

>>725324259
Get your stability up nigga.

>>725324306
That's Omar Suarez

>>725324259
>that stability and legitimacy
NGMI

>>725320129
>15
>loli

>>725324502
what's even max number for them?

So mercenaries and regulars are useless until late Age of Renaissance right?
>>725324847
100

>>725324470
>>725324502
oh the war started. I guess we can win. Damm HRE war is big.
probably soon when i get new cabinet.

What's the gameplay loop here? I'm a Vicky 3 player and I'm kind of embarrassed that I have no clue what to do

In Vic3, it's just build construction, chop wood, get tools, get iron, get more tools, get more iron, get more construction, and so forth.
Is there a similar loop I should be aware of here?

>start as Poland
>dick around for some time with the buttons and unpause game
>Lithuania instantly calls me to war with Teutons
>suddenly a fucking 21k stack of Czechs rolls through Greater Poland followed by a 10k stack of Moravians and untold billions of Silesian shitters
What the fuck is this man, how am I supposed to deal with this? I just barely figured out how to raise levies.

nah i lost this war Bohemia troops are too powerful.

>>725324917
poland is not beginner friendly here

>>725324897
Call paraliment and push your shit forward every 5 years
Make crown power bigger
Build profit buildings and RGOs
Balance your economy

>>725324917
>pick poland
>not prepared for the constant deluge
tut tut

>>725325010
I thought it would be a nice medium sized country to figure the game out. I hate playing small shitters.

>>725325013
>Build profit buildings and RGOs
Yeah, but how? How do I know what to build?
I'm starting as Castile and my pops are yearning for fruit, do I just spam fruit RGOs??

Is it normal for the cost to revoke noble priviledges to be 100+ stability?
How do Iblower the cost? I already went heavy into the centralization value.

So what are Wagenburg for? Do they actually have a combat purpose like irl or is it just a slightly tankier supply wagon? They feel like kind of a letdown for a unique unit

>>725325145
play naples

>Can handle all other paradox games
>Cant understand europa universalis for the life of me
shit feels so convulated wtf do i do bros?

>>725325321
Techs to lower the cost; And reduce their % power.

>>725325480
be whiter

>>725323994
Yes

>>725287682
this impacts me how exactly?

The only game I know how to play us xiv 5 vox populi>>725325505

>Playing Portugal
>heir dies a few months after starting the game

Restart?

>>725284472
>I NEED to be told what to do to have fun
lmao just admitting to being an NPC is wild

>>725324897
It's less loops and more spinning plates, and on each plate is a loop, and there's like 34 plates

There's spreading control, which works by spreading proximity (roads bridges ports etc) and boosting crown power
Then boosting crown power means weakening the estates and making the crown stronger, but that has its own things to manage, satisfaction, privileges...
But to revoke privileges and keep estates happy you need stability, but stability only comes over time or by spending lots of money
And making money depends on how much you can tax the estates, which relies on their satisfaction but also their income
Their income is decided by buildings and RGOs, which are not too dissimilar from vic3 and they all use goods with variable prices for supply and demand
Both of which can be influenced by trade, which is an entire other game
And the taxable income of buildings and RGOs? That's modified by control, back to square one

It's a gigantic loop made of loops with no end in sight, and I haven't even mentioned conquest at all yet. This is just if you're sitting there macroing on pacifist mode.

I guess if you go down the rabbit hole far enough, the bottom is pops. Everything is pops. Estates are made of pops, buildings employ pops, manpower is pops, etc. More pops = good, more literate pops = pops promote from useless peasants faster.

>>725324897
Same as vicky3 you first focus on your economy. The difference is that xontrol is really important ans the higher it is in a region, the more taxes, levies etc. At the beginning of the game it's very low in anything that isn't bordering your capital so I'd focus on improving these regions first for immediate benefits.

Once you got your economy rolling, it's time to create a professional army and paint the map.

>>725325321
privilege revoke cost scales to their power, your nobles are too powerful. I'm not an expert but I'll say it doesn't feel like it's worth it to fuck with estate privileges (revoke or grant) or happiness early on, the best way to get crown power is the techs and buildings that give crown power without lowering estate happiness equilibrium.

>>725325480
EU is the everything game. You just do the part you understand and ignore the part you don't for now. Eventually you learn how each part works and you can never go back to the other games because they're missing something

game isn't working... they aren't at war

>>725280141 (OP)
So are basic economics modeled in this one or not?
Is there a reward for some inflation to keep pops from hoarding money?
Is there a reward for lowering taxes in developing markets/industry?
Is there a reward for increasing taxes on landed estates to ensure they are put to productive use?

Or is it just another commiedox planned economy simulator?

>>725325861
I have one of those buildings, it is pretty expensive.
Let's see if spamming it a little helps.

>prompt to vote for land peace in HRE
>huh? whatever I vote for this one since I get more stability
>later try to wage war
>fuck you austria why tf will you always help them?? you're not even in an alliance
Oh...

Control is a shit mechanic. Instead of blobbing you end up with a vassal swarm.
Literally no downside.

The starting Lithuanian-Teuton war is actually not hard at all for Poland. Lithuanian capital is the war goal, so the enemy AI focuses on fucking with Lithuania and its subjects and is too fucking dumb to siege the actual war goal.

For me, the war lasted like 2 years and I have not seen any serious enemies, except for the initial wave of Czechs who went straight for Lithuania. The Czech AI with it's 20k + its subjects spent the entire war sieging shithole Lithuanian subjects in the east like Smolensk and such, and since they're too powerful to fight, the Lithuanian AI focused down the Teutons, who were the actual war leaders. With my help we've managed to get like 50 war score and walk out with 5 provinces.

How do I get my stability above 60 as France? All these appanages are giving me crazy stability debuffs

>>725326349
Vassals are only good early game first two centuries. After you unlock more ways to increase control, it's better to annex and control them directly.

you have to be such a turbo autist to play this glorified excel sheet

>>725326453
>first two centuries
You mean the ones everybody will play because the game is slow as molasses?

>>725326568
morons who have never opened excel call any game that has any depth excel because they're functionally illiterate.

>>725326571
Yes. Don't forget the starting date is still during the middle ages where kings had virtually no control on anything a bit far away and it was handled by local nobles. I think they did a good job representing that with how important vassals are

>union gets attacked by france
it's over

what do unemployed pops do other than the peasants who substance farm

>>725326794
Making 1337 the starting date was a mistake.

>>725326360
I'm in the mid 1500s with a big France blob and I'm never above ~30 stability. You don't need that much. It ticks up slower the more you have and faster if it's negative, so spending stability brings your stability back up faster.

If you need 999 stability because you want to revoke a noble privilege, you have to weaken their power first. Put your dynasty in charge of the armies and navies, hire the Valois in cabinet, pass laws that reduce noble power, build up your control, make the burghers more powerful to eat at the nobles' share. Eventually you'll be able to revoke one privilege at the low low cost of like 140 stability, which will be dangerous but the first one is the hardest. After that they get weaker and weaker so it's easier to take privileges away.

1337 was a mistake. Oh boy I can't wait to play through the black death again and get bored before even seeing the reformation!

>this game makes my brain quiet while playing

The only other game that has done that is Rimworld, which I'm nearing 1k hours in. I'm actually happy with the game and not always hunting for something "better" in the genre or constantly looking through the workshop. I just need to get over that 20-60 hours hurdle where I wake up one morning and never launch the game again but I think that should be easy. I've only been playing in small doses of 20-30 minutes t a time trying to figure stuff out but I'm already making the sessions longer.

>>725326965
>Put your dynasty in charge of the armies and navies
How do I do that?
>hire the Valois in cabinet
Does this actually make a difference?

EVERY
SPANIARD
MUST
PISS
LOOKING
@
ENGLAND

>>725315183
How about you ask the question here or on gsg fagit

>>725326974
>>725326914
Legitimately what were they thinking? I don't recall anybody complaining about 1444.

Just noticed I've been warring so much that I'm actually running out of Indians in my capital, there's a whole depopulated zone around it. Is there some way to lure the border population over here? The migration cabinet action seems shit.

>>725326826
The problem with France is not that they're op (they WERE op during this whole time period), but that England, supposedly their biggest rival and nemesis doesn't do shit. The 100 years war was a huge hurdle for them that kept them in check for...well over 100 years.
France doesn't need a nerf, England needs a buff.

It's 2:30 AM and I could just keep playing for hours... damn this game is addictive. Gonna have to go to bed now or my sleep pattern will be completely fucked

When do you ever want to be decentralized?

>>725327514
If you want to larp as a Pagan, highly religious and communal society that is one with nature and hates technology and city dwellers.

>>725327107
>How do I do that?
Hire a member of your dynasty as a general. When you pick a general just search "valois". Appointing the king himself works too

>Does this actually make a difference?
It does. Estates in cabinet and leading armies/navies boost their power, so you always want them as people from the crown estate (your dynasty) if you need more crown power

>>725324897
>In Vic3, it's just build construction, chop wood, get tools, get iron, get more tools, get more iron, get more construction, and so forth.
Sorry Wiz, you'll have to man up and ask Johan how real games are made yourself.
>>725325321
You will need to wait until their power is reduced.
Build RGOs they need, and sort by those that are most profitable (because they're in locations where you have more control.

>>725327780
Hmm I didn't know that thanks for the tips

contain muscovy policy is working

>hovering over a building will tell you the most profitable provnces to build it in

Very nice

>>725328046
>Kyiv

I'm not giving those greedy fucks at Paradox a dime, I assume I can pirate the game, so I'll take a look as cs.rin.ru

>>725328046
Kyiv will grow larger and chuds will seethe.

>>725328165
You can also just zoom out when you want to construct a building and it will build it on the best available region of a market

For buildings, there's a ton of them, do I just build whatever the most profitable, or what will help with shortages? Let's say I got a ton of excess wool will the game show buildings that use wool as profitable or is that something I need to dig in myself?

>>725320381
>urbanise
>as Ir*land
>in 1354
kys

>>725328521
I'm not sure if it's accurate but I like to go into the market, sort goods by market balance, and see what the market is missing. Then build that if possible.
Or if I want to build a certain building I build the stuff that makes its inputs. Like if I'm spamming armories to build up manpower I build weapons and guns buildings first.

>>725328521
Don't only build buildings for profit, there are lots of other ones thst give stability, diplomacy, literacy boosts etc

>Found out there's an RGO builder
Hello money!
Just went from 25 to 40 in positive balance in 4 years.

>>725327251
I prefer the earlier starting date because I can play the Byzantines without needing to basically cheat the system.

>>725328521
The profitability is just against your current market conditions. You can change market conditions by making something that is currently unprofitable, profitable.

>>725325190
Yes but keep in mind that pops are limited and they need to be promoted to laborers from peasants so you can't infinitely spam buildings

>>725328942
>You can change market conditions by making something that is currently unprofitable, profitable.

How?

>>725328521
>>725328942
>>725329423
Look at what RGOs you have a lot of, and then check the production methods of your buildings to see if you can use, wool over fibers, for example.

>>725329423
You see which RGOs you have. You see what those RGOs can become in terms of produced goods. Oh, it's unprofitable? Well, invest anyways. Make a lot of that produced good. Export it to another market and gain trade advantage in that market. People in that other market stop making that produced good and buy yours first because it's cheaper. It is now profitable, and you have less competition.

>>725329029
Do peasants promote the same way as in Vicky?

>>725328835
I'M MAKING MONEY
I'M MAKING MONEY FINALLY

>>725329569
They promote based on literacy, but in the RGO builder you can see how many peasants in each location, and the current deficit of laborers.

>>725329569
I think so

>see I make a bunch of wild game
>only thing that uses it is tannery
>build a bunch of tanneries for leather
>used for some building and then for books
>ok cool now I'll make books
>fiber crops are twice as efficient as leather for making books
>I have fiber crops
>my book profit will be halved if I use leather despit the glut of it
jfc

1444 start date WHEN

Either peace treaties are bugged or I don't understand how this works.

>>725331407
Looks like you have 25 WS to spend.

How do you get an ally to give you ocntrol of a province/give it to you ina peac e deal

>>725331407
>>725331490
Nvm they're a subject and I'm retarded. Why tf does the game even give you the option to sue a subject for pease when it's impossible to do so???

>>725323536
You need to have a surplus of the good in the market where you build.
The bigger the surplus the bigger discount but it caps at -33%.

>>725323624
>Is it better to diversify my industry?
Yes and no.
If you overproduce the cost of the manufactured goods will be lower but there is a cap as to how low something can drop.
You are mainly capped by the building and RGO cap per area.

I FUCKING LOVE PLAYING TALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nations for this feel?

Is there a way of knowing acceptance reasons for shit like vassalization? I don't want to do an alliance because they always force me into wars.

How did the pope get one of my cities as Naples? Should I have been reading the events that pop up?

>>725331813
Portugal, Holland, Korea

>>725331813
Milan. You get some early events to snatch a little land, just push south to get sea access and start building like crazy.

This seems so bad. Is it even worth pirating?

>dude just build RGOs!
what's the point when no place has enough free laborers to staff them

>>725333026
They promote retard.

>>725333026
Peasants will slowly upgrade to laborers. Make sure you have enough peasants

Yoo native integration with Vicky 3???

>>725333119
Imperator trained me for this

>>725333345
You've had 15 years to play vicky2

Do I need to build unis or do some other stuff to make peasants promote? Or do I just wait?

>>725333469
Just wait.
Later on you will get a cabinet action to increase the promotion speed.

>>725333469
They promote naturally, just build libraries and get science that hastens the rate.

>>725333469
Library is the cheaper option

do the english really?

>played for 15 hours
>still 25 years before I reach 1400
So how long is a full playthrough gonna take? 100 hours? 200?

>>725333773
Yeah but you will quit in the 1600s out of boredom.

>>725280141 (OP)
Cute asian girls!

>>725334036
>CA nigger can't accept the fact that PDX made another banger and Civ7 is still in the shitters

>>725280141 (OP)
Have they started putting gameplay in these spreadsheet simulators?

>>725334457
dem pops man

>>725334457
They’ve always had gameplay, the problem was they took out a lot of the spreadsheets and finally added them back in.

>>725333861
based, my favorite feature of eu4

This shit is too autistic for me. I'll stick with CK3

What do I do to speed up pop promotion?

>declare war on Grenada
>raise entire country to go fight
>occupy all ther territories including the ones Moracco has
>try to sue for peace
>game won't let me claim everything despite occupying everything and taking their capital
>don;t know what else to do
>settle for what i can get

Do I just declare war on them again? Why the fuck can't I take their entire country when I occupied everything?

>>725334457
it needs more spreadsheeeeeting (aka eu v MEIOU)

>>725335683
Probably over thr maximum war score (100)

Is there a tutorial that's not made by a paid shill? I remember I learned Vicky 2 from some guy with less than a thousand subs.

>>725336554
You already bought/have the game who cares if it's a paid shill long as they are giving good info?

>>725336554
no. just play and learn through trial and error.

>>725336696
Because shills are all gay fags and if I want to watch gay fags I watch femboy porn, not youtubers.

>>725336753
based?? we can goon and mp together

i fucked up and married two consecutive heirs to women with weak jaws and now my dynasty is just jawlets now

>>725336554
>watching tutorials
Just play the fucking game