Thread 725304595

>Ruins the lore
>Ruins the character of X
>Turns every character into a fuckboy design
>Only good thing debatably is the gameplay
Although I would submit the gameplay is not as good as regular MMX games. Anyways, Inafune ruined the mega man series with this jerk off fest to his fanfic OC donut steel character aka Zero

retard

It's a hell of a black eye but the only real ones I find are
>X's body is very easily destroyed by Elpizo (can reason it as Dark Elf juice)
>Weil not being put to death after extincting most of the human and reploid species and instead opting for ironic punishment of immortality is really fucking stupid, X doesn't strike me as THAT merciful or human-defending
>Omega only being jettisoned into orbit and not further out when he's the debatably strongest single thing on Earth is mindnumbingly stupid, to say nothing of not reclaiming Zero's body
Which is to say, Mega Man Zero 3's plot sucks if you think about it even a little bit

>>725304595 (OP)
well that was rude and plain wrong

>>725305187
Tell me one good thing about the series ASIDE from the gameplay

>>725305415
The music?

>>725305415
Zero's thong.

>>725305130
>>X's body is very easily destroyed by Elpizo (can reason it as Dark Elf juice)
That's not Zero 3 and I fail to see why it's stupid, it was literally just a lifeless shell and as you said, Elpizo recieved a massive power boost thanks to the dark elf
>Weil not being put to death after extincting most of the human and reploid species and instead opting for ironic punishment of immortality is really fucking stupid, X doesn't strike me as THAT merciful or human-defending
It was the eight gentle judges that did that, not X, it's also not really stupid because it is indeed a fate worse than death
>>Omega only being jettisoned into orbit and not further out when he's the debatably strongest single thing on Earth is mindnumbingly stupid, to say nothing of not reclaiming Zero's body
This, however, is really stupid, and the only reason why Weil is even a threat to begin with

>>725304595 (OP)
Kill yourself

>>725305415
Zero's aesthetic wipes the floor with everything else imo, love nakayama's art

>>725305130
X's body was never indestructible. X and Zero both have to dodge attacks constantly. They were never so resiliant that they could tank modern weapons without issue.

easily the best megaman platformers

>>725305593
Whoever got him as an artist for their gacha could probably lasso up every Megaman Zero fan

>>725305130
>X's body is very easily destroyed by Elpizo (can reason it as Dark Elf juice)
I mean, X's body also sealed up. What could you do? And besides. X and Zero even in the X series could get as fucked up as any other Reploid (See also X5)

And that was Zero 2's endgame not 3's anon

>>725305130
Despite being treated as God Emperor Can Do No Wrong, I'm pretty sure X was not the de facto leader of Neo Arcadia otherwise it wouldn't have functioned between him giving up his body and Ciel being ordered to make Copy X. The humans just below him in the hierarchy likely put it to a vote and decided on Weil's fate and what to do about Omega. And humans are clinically retarded in every Megaman sub-series, otherwise they would actually do something about Wily after catching him or maybe have someone else who could be considered his or Light's peer besides Cossack to a degree so the entire field of robotics isn't ignored for 100 years after Light seals away X, to say nothing of the braindead stunts they pull in Battle Network.

>>725305130
>X's body is very easily destroyed by Elpizo (can reason it as Dark Elf juice)
A beam sword, or a beam from Sigma? What's the difference?

>>725305934
>I'm pretty sure X was not the de facto leader of Neo Arcadia otherwise it wouldn't have functioned between him giving up his body and Ciel being ordered to make Copy X.
There's less than ten years' turnaround time between X vanishing and Mega Man Zero 1, in-universe Ciel made Copy X as a child and is a teenager through MMZ's events, 14 in MMZ1 and 16 by MMZ4

>>725306004
People have this weird idea that X and Zero are crazy powerful with turbo huge stats. No. They're weak and puny. Their AIs are doing 80% of the work. Every single Sigma ever was faster, stronger and more durable. X and Zero are just really good at dodging and have amazing precision. They're pure DEX builds.

>>725304595 (OP)
>Only good thing debatably is the gameplay
And Leviathan.

>>725306253
>Every single Sigma ever was faster, stronger and more durable.
>Still loses

>>725306339
i'm sure to win because my copy ability is superior

>>725306339
LikevI said, it's just statistics. These games wouldn't be any fun if the bosses were weaker than the player character. Even with full upgrades, a single strike from Sigma can erase 1/4 of your health. You're expected to avoid damage, not tank it.

>>725306325
Lady lev

>>725306253
It's just gameplay-vs-story things. When you do something like a damageless run a character can appear to be some indestructible god who can't be touched, but in-universe they're about as vulnerable as everyone else.
Funnily enough, if you take Day of Sigma into account, Elpizo wouldn't even be X's first swish kebab rodeo.

>>725306702
Even in gameplay, X is weak. Look at that tiny-ass health bar.

>>725306253
Source?

>>725305415
fairy leviathan

>>725306253
X alone soloed Omega and an endless army of reploids to a stand still so yeah. They do have some crazy turbo huge shit both in lore and gameplay.

>>725306946
Infinite potential, growing stronger through finding upgrades, so on and so forth.
And yet he continues to be B class hunter even in the later games, poor guy.

>>725306623
>>725307074
Remember to support her during Queen of /v/.

>>725307114
>X alone soloed Omega
X and Zero just barely managed to beat Omega alone

>>725307114
He wins by dodging and getting accurate shots in, not by standing still and letting himself get hit.

>>725307034
Sigma beat up Feral Zero in Day of Sigma, though that wasn't a free fight. X gets worked over by Vile's Ride Armor. Zero dies a bunch of times, he just comes back later. They're able to overcome enemies despite being built centuries ago due to their programming allowing them to grow pretty much, not because they're made out of Gundanium alloy.

>>725307260
No, X alone held him at a stand still but need Zero's help to end the war.
>>725307364
Nobody wins doing that.

>>725307198
>And yet he continues to be B class hunter even in the later games, poor guy.
Funny enough his rank actually changed (I think it was in X8?), he's considered an S-Class now.

Mega Man Zero is my favorite Mega Man series and also my favorite iteration of Zero. Honestly never did enjoy all that baggage they weighed him down with during the X series. It's a shame he'll never be used in another crossover game either because his multitude of weapons would make for an awesome toolkit as opposed to X Zero being Z Saber only for the umpteenth time.

>>725306339
You think some copy is going to stand up to the originals? One was probably running combat diagnostics on top of his morality testing while being sealed for a century while the other was built specifically to murder the former. X and Zero aren't the sturdiest reploids, but they're also built unlike any other robot that's been made after them.

>>725307206
As you wish

>>725307614
You'd at least hope so, or otherwise someone like Axl would take up his spot.

>>725305564
>It was the eight gentle judges that did that
This, also if the wiki is correct, they also didn't like how Copy X was running things, so they were good people. The only fault in can see was them not keeping tabs on Weil. Banishment is one thing, but leaving a mad scientist to his own devices, with an immortal body no less, was just asking for him to cook up revenge shit.

I assumes the Hunters mostly did away with ranks after a while. They're so understaffed that it stops having meaning after a certain point. X and Zero are responsible for like 80% of the work of the entire force.

what did you do /v/?

>>725304595 (OP)
mmz is like uprising, its objectively a really cool game ruined by nintendo refusing to make a handheld with a screen that has a modern resolution.
there's a reason why gba/ds/3ds best game lists are absolutely dominated by text heavy genres like rpgs or single screen stuff like puzzle games, you can't play an action game and have fun when you cant fucking see and constantly bump into shit offscreen

>>725308083
I like that one joke about when X8 takes place and how x, zero, Axl + plus the navigators and Signas pulling are the weight of an entire company because they literally don't have anyone else left by that point

>>725304595 (OP)
>Plays through MMX on rookie hunter mode
>tries to play Zero
>filtered by Aztec Falcon
Every time

>>725308097
I toiled in God's domain.

>>725304595 (OP)
I've never played Megaman X. How does it compare to Zero ?

>>725308620
It's better Zero gameplay.

>>725308620
It's a series where the first game is legendary tier and then every game afterward is progressively worse

>>725307650
The baggage is what gives him character. Zero being the legacy of Dr Wily and choosing instead to be good is what gives him some depth.

>>725308620
More or less MMZ gameplay but without the sword, unless you play as Zero in X4-X8.

>>725307523
>X alone held him at a stand still
Where is this ever stated? X and Zero both fought and defeated Omega together

>ruins the lore
the x series did such a miserable and inconsistent job of getting any lore down there wasn't anything to really "ruin"

>>725304595 (OP)
>This cope about the best MegaMan games
Funny

>>725308824
I still can't get over how X8 said the new gen reploids can go maverick at will, implying the old ones can't.

>>725308620
X1-3 is kino, every game the gameplay gets tighter. 3 is the weakest one but its still really solid.
X4-6 is changed up a bit due to being on a different system. The gameplay is still pretty tight but it plays a little different. Stories are ass but X and Zero are cool. X4 is the best and 5/6 are just okay I think
Never played X7 looked like ass, but X8 is pretty solid. It goes back to 2d platforming and has some cool systems.

>>725308952
That's more of a translation thing.

>>725308620
I guess this would come down to what you like about Zero.

But MMX overall is pretty comparable for the most part. The later X games allow you to control Zero.

>>725309080
What does the JP script say?

>>725309136
That every reploid has the capacity to become the next Sigma or something like that.

>>725307487
I maen source of X and Zero being weak and only relying on speed to survive. Look at Zero and Sigma's first fight, he beat the everliving shit of Sigma with a pipe, and even if Sigma kept b eating him up, Zero just kept coming back. Obviously they may not be as physically strong as giant reploids like Rainy Turtloid, and they're not invincible, but they're by no means weak.

>>725305130
Disagree on the first point. X is definitely tough when mobile, but he's still shown to be able to take damage and suffer repercussions for it. Even an invalid could take him down if he was completely immobile.
Other two points are completely fair though. The second one's especially egregious; when considering how much of the world's population of reploids and humans were culled in the Elf Wars, giving Weil a retarded "worse than death" instead of a firing squad is insane. Don't care how infinitesimal the chance was of him breaking free was. Why bother taking a chance with someone like that?

>>725305415
The final fight against Weil is the perfect conclusion for the character of Zero

>>725309447
No it isn't. Zero isn't even Zero anymore by Zero 1, let alone his character reaching a conclusion at all.

>>725309770
Yes it is. Zero once again has no substantial memories of his past, but he is aware of his purpose, he is a war machine, but he's also aware can decide to use those skills for something good, because he still remembers the ideal of his friend X.
Weil is taunting Zero about being incapable of killing him because killing him would mean Zero is a maverick, only for Zero to reply he is the only one capable of killing him, without being a maverick.

>>725306325
correct opinion

>>725304595 (OP)
This could have been amazing games but were all brought down by some baffling design choices. Take the first game for example.
-plot focused but plot only exist in the beginning and end, the rest literally feels like filler
-ranking in stages and if yiu dont get A or above THE FIRST TIME you play the stage, thats it, you cannot get the technique for that boss
-you cannot replay stages
>weird elf card system
The whole is thing is weird and is was like the devs say "ok we have great gameplay, how can we ruin it"

>>725310251
>Zero once again has no substantial memories of his past
Except when he does for the plot's convenience.
>Weil is taunting Zero about being incapable of killing him because killing him would mean Zero is a maverick, only for Zero to reply he is the only one capable of killing him, without being a maverick.
You absolutely misread that entire situation. The point is that Zero doesn't care about being a Maverick and hasn't since he was reawakened. Zero HAS been a Maverick throughout the entire Zero series.

>>725305415
I like the story and the changes to X.

>>725310807
>Except when he does for the plot's convenience.
I mean, yeah. Just like X being revived by Light or Zero by Willy according to MMX6
>>725310807
>The point is that Zero doesn't care about being a Maverick and hasn't since he was reawakened. Zero HAS been a Maverick throughout the entire Zero series.
Zero is not a maverick because he is incapable of being a Maverick, the whole purpose of his creation and his reason to be is to destroy and fight. Weil taunts Zero about being a hero of justice and Zero being incapable of killing a human, because the murder of a man is by definition maverick behaviour, which is why the judges of Neo Arcadia exiled Weil instead of executing him, why Craft is considered a Maverick after he destroys Neo Arcadia, but is not the same for Zero, his purpose is not to be a machine that can feel or think like a human, his purpose is to destroy his enemies. Zero facing Weil is a the final purpose of Zero, he has to kill a human, because he is the only one that can perform such act, which he does, Ragnarok explodes and there's no room left for debate.
Zero killing Weil is heroic and unique, no other machine could perform such act without being maverick behaviour, that's why before the final boss we see Craft as an example of a reploid that attempted the same and failed, he turned into a maverick.

>>725304595 (OP)
>>Only good thing debatably is the gameplay
and the music

>>725305871
Not me, hate gacha shit.

>>725308952
the english voice acting for the x games is such a messas well. I haven't heard the jp for x8 but it has to be better than the half hearted speech we got

>>725312452
Idk there's a certain point where I think one's integrity breaks down and they'll play gacha and having MMZ art might be it

>>725304595 (OP)
>Ruins the lore
More like actually made it interesting.

>>725304595 (OP)
>Although I would submit the gameplay is not as good as regular MMX games
mmx3, x5, x6, x7 and most of x8 are dog shit. and x4 is mostly only good because they let you play as zero, even though he's half-assed and slapped together compared to the gba version

The whole Omega plotline was retarded
>Fakeout bullshit with Zero not being real
>Current Zero has none of his original personality anyway so the point is entirely moot
>Omega being Zero's body when he spends most of his time in a giant robot body that has nothing to do with Zero
>Omega also has no personality to speak of
>The reveal at the end shows that he just looks identical to Zero now anyway
It certainly doesn't help that we already went through all of this shit with Copy X, except at least he had a personality and some thoughts towards the original

>>725308620
Better music
Better gameplay
Better graphics
Higher highs
Lower lows

>>725311616
What do you fucking mean he's incapable of being a Maverick. You literally see him off a human ON SCREEN and that's just the literal definition. Maverick a broad term that applies to a number of activities such as being a fucking terrorist and rebelling against humanity. Zero's "purpose" was to destroy Megaman/X. That was always his purpose, never this weapon of justice against Weil bullshit that Zerofags like to pretend it is. Zero fucking says it himself that he isn't a hero and yet his fans go through mental gymnastics to contradict his own words. That was the dumbest word salad I've ever read regarding Zero.

>>725306325
All the humans she serviced in Neo Arcadia...

>>725308620
Shoot instead of sword for the most part.
Except Zero, but he plays different in X than Zero.

>>725314536
Not only did we go through this same shit with Copy X but we went through it twice with X2's fake Zero and X6's Zero Nightmare. The latter at least having Maverick Zero's bat shit insanity from the prequel cutscene in X4.

>>725309269
That makes WAY more sense that it's dangerously stupid to give all New-Generations the ability to copy extremely powerful Reploids and become a global thread

the megaman zero games might be the best "feeling" action platformers to pay in terms of controls, everything just feels right. If you try going back to the X games afterwards they feel so stiff, especially the dashing since you can't change direction mid dash or hold dash to dash wall jump

>>725311616
>Zero is not a maverick because he is incapable of being a Maverick
He's THE Maverick. The Maverick War starts because of his fucking virus

>>725315320
the maverick virus was in zero's stupid forehead thing and was transferred out of him, making him immune.

>>725315475
>or hold dash to dash wall jump
You can do this in every X game after the first one

>>725315472
Megaman is notorious for having some translation fuck ups and localization issues. X2 straight up says some nonsense about a nonexistent unification ritual and Zero destined to follow Sigma.

>>725315612
He's not immune. Jesus, go play X5. It's literally the center fucking plot point from that point to the events leading up to the Zero series.

>>725315612
anon maverick hunters existed before the maverick virus was released
maverick =/= infected by maverick virus

>>725315612
Not that guy but Zero himself would disagree with you. That's literally why Zero sealed himself in the capsule in his X6 ending. He wanted to be absolutely sure there was no trace of the virus left in him.

>>725315845
The whole plot of X4 is that none of Repliforce were taken by the virus but they were still considered Mavericks because of their actions

>>725315969
I'm glad you agree

So let me get the pre-games Omega stuff right
>Zero's mind gets separated from his body by Weil while he's still sleeping
>He then gets put into a new body, X wakes him up
>He still has all of his memories
>Then he and X fight Omega and Weil and win
>Zero then decides to just go back to sleep again even though the virus that he's worried about is now in space with Omega (and will never be relevant again because of cyber elves)
>Then when he wakes up he's lost all of his memories for no reason
Is that more or less what happens? Because that's fucking retarded. The whole amnesia plotline is stupid and just a reason to make an entirely new OC that keeps Zero's name for brand recognition

>>725315320
Anon, take a couple of minutes to re-read my post. I never said Zero is a hero of justice, I'm saying Weil taunts Zero about not being able to murder him because killing a human is maverick behaviour, and because he is suppose to be some sort of hero of justice (according ot Weil), he will not, which is refuted by Zero, because he is not a robot created with the purpose to feel or think like a human, he is not suppose to co-exist, he exists to destroy, and he does exactly that by defeating Weil.
>What do you fucking mean he's incapable of being a Maverick
Because in this specific case, being a Maverick refers to the murder of a human. But that doesn't apply to Zero because he can't malfuction by destroying/killing, that's his real purpose and function. That's why he can't never be a real Maverick, he can be considered a Maverick by others, but he can't never really be one. He is not Vile having malfuctions, Sigma going insane because of the virus, or Craft and Elpizo acting against their normal functions.
>>725315559
The maverick wars are a product of malfucting reploids because of the zero and later sigma virus, but the virus doesn't affect Zero that way. It's the exact opposite for him.
If you play MMX5 Awakened Zero talks with X about not giving Maverick readings and just being "truly him". Zero is not a Maverick in the same sense other reploids are and he is incapable of transforming into one.

>>725315956
That's not even why either. Zero literally can NEVER get rid of the virus. It's a part of him. He was sealed so that research could be done on him which lead to the creation of the Mother Elf from it and Cyber Elves in general which would make reploids immune to viral reprogramming for the most part (Dark Elf obviously).

>>725316263
yeah pretty much, except that the virus was cured by the mother elf which was reversed engineered from studying him while he was asleep, shipping omega off had nothing to do with that

>>725316263
That's pretty accurate to how it's depicted as far as the backstory/lead up. Yes.

And zero stops caring about his past (mostly)

>>725315969
honestly the retardation of colonel/general would be less glaring if they were infected by the maverick virus instead of being fueled by muh pride

>>725304595 (OP)
>Although I would submit the gameplay is not as good as regular MMX games
lmao the Zero series has bosses that actually try to fucking kill you.

>>725316301
>malfucting reploids
are murderers irl malfunctioning humans? What a stupid notion, reploids that murder aren't "malfunctioning", murder is a byproduct of freewill.

>>725316263
most of this checks out, but
>Zero's mind gets separated from his body by Weil while he's still sleeping
>He then gets put into a new body, X wakes him up
does this happen in the audio drama? i don't recall the games ever alluding to this; i just assumed that zero had his body swapped sometime after initially defeating omega and weil with x

remember that the past doesn't matter (until it does)

>>725316301
A Maverick is just an unlawful Reploid. The virus fucks with Reploids and makes them act out, ergo they become Mavericks, but it is not a prerequisite for Mavericks. It's literally an in-universe buzzword. So yes, Zero is a Maverick, and he was a Maverick when Sigma first fought him. As others have said, Mavericks existed before the virus was unleashed, which is obvious if you think about it for more than two seconds. Sigma fought Zero as a Maverick Hunter.

>>725316301
>I never said Zero is a hero of justice
Not word for word, are you autistic or something? You're painting him as heroic when Zero himself, IN YOUR OWN POST SAYS THAT HE DOESN'T SEE HIMSELF AS THAT.
>Because in this specific case, being a Maverick refers to the murder of a human. But that doesn't apply to Zero because he can't malfuction by destroying/killing, that's his real purpose and function. That's why he can't never be a real Maverick, he can be considered a Maverick by others, but he can't never really be one. He is not Vile having malfuctions, Sigma going insane because of the virus, or Craft and Elpizo acting against their normal functions.
This shit is ridiculous. You're referring to a specific context to define Maverick while simultaneously dismissing said context because he's doing it on his own free will rather than it being a malfunction on his part. Shut up, moron.

>>725316692
But Omega is Zero's body, the swap has to happen before they fight otherwise who is he fighting and how does Zero's body and up in space?

>>725316692
>does this happen in the audio drama?
Yeah. That's part of the audio drama CDs.

>>725304595 (OP)
>>Ruins the lore
It doesn't.
>>Ruins the character of X
Also doesn't.
>>Turns every character into a fuckboy design
Yeah no.
>>Only good thing debatably is the gameplay
The gameplay is one of the good things and not the only one.
You are simply ignorant as fuck.

>>725316563
>lmao the Zero series has bosses that actually try to fucking kill you.

How one feels about X's art direction vs Zero's is a good litmus test

>>725317454
>shield slash cancel
yawn

>>725316623
>are murderers irl malfunctioning humans?
On a broad sense, yeah. The idea of killing another human is something that societies will see as a bad thing, being on a secular or religious level. That's why there's laws that punish murder, or why religions like Christianity consider murder a crime.
>reploids that murder aren't "malfunctioning", murder is a byproduct of freewill.
But if robots are suppose to co-exist with humans and act like humans, then behaviour that destroys that relationship is a malfuction by definition.
>>725316719
>A Maverick is just an unlawful Reploid.
Indeed, but it can also be a malfuctioning reploid
>Mavericks existed before the virus was unleashed, which is obvious if you think about it for more than two seconds. Sigma fought Zero as a Maverick Hunter.
Yeah, I am aware Mavericks can be a thing even without the virus. Zero himself discusses this with X in the OVA of MMX Maverick Hunter. Sigma fought against Zero and he was considered a maverick, but he is not a Maverick in the same way other reploids are, because he is a robot created to destroy X and any other target that gets in his way. The reason behind his creation is the specific reason his case is completely different.
>>725316797
>Not word for word, are you autistic or something?
If you came to a different interpretation of what I mentioned, that's not something I can control or do something about it, I even explained myself and the only feedback I'm getting from you are things like "are you autistic", "Shut up, moron" come on man.
>You're painting him as heroic
This whole discussion started with me defending the idea MMZ4 is the perfect conclusion for the character of Zero. I'm saying his act is considered heroic, which it does in-universe because his sacrifice is the final push humanity needs to join with reploids and search for Utopia.
>dismissing
I'm not dismissing anything, but the situation of Zero is completely unique and has to be discussed in that same way.

>>725304751
I accept your concession.

>>725317462
True. If you like Zero's art direction you are gay

>>725317462
What if I like both?

>>725317454
The Monkey will give the average first timer far more trouble than Shield Sheldon or Grizzly Slash would.

>>725304595 (OP)
I don't think zero has good gameplay solely because of how cramped the screen is.

>>725317574
>Indeed, but it can also be a malfuctioning reploid
Yes when a Reploid malfunctions it can start acting unlawfully, which is what makes it a Maverick. Whatever arbitrary distinction you are making up in your head is irrelevant. A Maverick is a Maverick, end of story

>>725317462
Both are fine aside from X8. Everyone in X8 looks like Ayys
>>725317697
This is only a problem in the junkyard stage

>>725317647
Yeah not because of boss difficulty but because you can't see what the fuck he's doing off screen.

>>725317807
>Everyone in X8 looks like Ayys
Don't bully Yoshikawa, he tried his best

>>725317454
wow a slash cancel combo. ill never touch these shit games again. time to go back to the x games and do slash cancel combos that kill the boss 10x faster

>>725317921
Or just follow the boss and react accordingly rather than sit still and get hit like a buffoon.

>>725317574
>But if robots are suppose to co-exist with humans and act like humans, then behaviour that destroys that relationship is a malfuction by definition.
yeah and so is a human doing something wrong, by your own words, so malfunction means nothing in this context aside from defying society and so to defy scoiety is to be a maverick ergo zero falls under the same label as any other repliod that defys society (maverick) due to YOUR definition of malfunction that applies to both humans and robots

>>725308620
Only fun until X6

>>725318101
or just use charge attack weaknesses because they're completely overpowered

>>725317706
>Whatever arbitrary distinction you are making up in your head is irrelevant.
But there's a distinction between Zero and his purpose as a war machine and a normal reploid.
>A Maverick is a Maverick, end of story
I mean yeah, but the whole point of this discussiong is to define if Zero is truly a Maverick or not. I'm defending the position Zero is not a Maverick because he is not going against his real functions or purposes. Your side defends the idea Zero is a Maverick.
But this situation of what can be considered or not a Maverick is important because the line gets blurry and confusing. Lumine declares new generation reploids can turn into Mavericks at will, some reploids go insane, others go against their functions, others will harm humans and other reploids. But Zero is strange, because he is a war machine, his real purpose is to fight X and anything that gets on his way, and yet he decides to use those skills not for his own benefit, but for the benefit of others and guided not by his own ideals, but guided by the ideal of X, something he discusses with Craft.
>>725318114
Yeah, but we are not discussing if humans or robots are malfunctioning, we are discussing if Zero can truly be considered a Maverick. I find the answer is no, if his role is to destroy, that's like to consider a gun a villain because you can harm someone with that, yeah, that's the whole point of the gun. Same with Zero, but it gets blurry because Zero can think, but not for the same reasons X can think.

>>725318390
>But there's a distinction between Zero and his purpose as a war machine and a normal reploid.
There isn't. His actions are what make him a Maverick, not his purpose. The moment free will comes into the equation the creator's purpose stops mattering, that's what makes Reploids such a big deal. It's the whole reason X was sealed in that capsule by Light to begin with

>>725304595 (OP)
I am completely tuned out to the game's chunni ass storytelling and aesthetic. I don't like them because it pursues two diametrically opposed design philosophies at once and does neither of them proper service. You can either have casual fun with the cyber elves and clear the game with shit ranks, or go tryhard with ranks by ignoring several other mechanics and for what beyond bragging rights? Some unlocks like EX skills that you never even needed in the first place? Except the level design is also ass on both ends, too simple to be casually interesting and yet too bullshit with general pacing for ranking runs to not initially feel like trial and error. I will say that 4 comes the closest to making all this disparate shit work between some actual wiggle room for cyber elves and the weather systems, but by then the series is over. 1 sucks beyond belief, 2 is...better than 1, and 3/4 are semi-decent. Not a great track record.

>>725318390
>if Zero can truly be considered a Maverick
he defies society, ergo maverick
it doesn't matter if he's "malfunctioning" or not according to his purpose, he malfunctions according to what is expected by society which is what defines a maverick

>>725304595 (OP)
how does it make X worse?

>>725318390
The problem with that is being maverick is considered by your actions.

Zero killed Weil. A human. Reploids harming humans is maverick. So Zero is a maverick. Even Zero knows that he's just willing to do it. X can't be considered a maverick because X has never willingly harmed another person for example.

>>725319261
Sigma is defeated off screen by some new plot contrivance with a stupid name. That's enough for me. That and Zero basically being erased and replaced with a more boring version of himself

>>725304595 (OP)
>Turns every character into a fuckboy design
Which I'm borrowing for my game because it's a fucking good look.

>the gameplay is not as good as regular MMX game
The bosses are actually challenging in Zero. Only issue I have with Zero's gameplay is the limited screenspace due to the GBA resolution vs. the sprite scale they used for Zero giving you barely any vertical screenspace.

>>725319570
>caring about sigma
lol

>>725319910
>That doesn't count

>>725319091
>His actions are what make him a Maverick, not his purpose.
It's both. If the purpose of a reploid is to co-exist with humanity, if a reploid harms or does something that goes against that idea, then he can be considered a Maverick.
>The moment free will comes into the equation the creator's purpose stops mattering
But free will is part of the purpose, reploids are created based on the concept of Megaman X, a robot that can act and think like a human, X had 30 years of testing to avoid any of the consequences of using his free will, but the reason behind Zero's creation is different.
>>725319186
>he malfunctions according to what is expected by society which is what defines a maverick
But there's a problem with that, Zero is not suppose to be part of society, he is not suppose to act according to society, he is suppose to destroy his targets, in specific X. But he doesn't do that, instead he uses his skills to hunt down rogue robots, to protect reploids or humans depending of the situation. He can't be a maverick because his situation is completely unique and different from other reploids or even X himself. He can be considered one, but he can't never really be one.
>>725319401
>The problem with that is being maverick is considered by your actions.
You can be considered a maverick and be a maverick, or you can just be considered one and not being a maverick, which was the situation for Zero.
>Zero killed Weil. A human. Reploids harming humans is maverick. So Zero is a maverick.
Zero is an android created to destroy, if he terminates the life of a human, he is fulfilling his purpose, but he is doing it to save reploids and humans. If Zero is destroying a target, he is completing his role and he is doing it to protect others, he is doing something heroic. His actions can't be considered similar to that of a Maverick.
>X can't be considered a maverick because X has never willingly harmed another person
but for X that would violate his purpose.

One has to ask, what does "Megaman" even mean nowadays? Nothing. "Megaman" has lost all identity, it's a moniker to slap onto something to increase sales. The writing was on the wall with the horrid "battle network" garbage. You can literally call anything "Megaman" nowadays.

Hey a Mega Man thread!

>>725320472
>One has to ask, what does "Megaman" even mean nowadays?
In 2025 it means "dead brand".

>>725321114
Dead series even

>>725315320
>Zero fucking says it himself that he isn't a hero and yet his fans go through mental gymnastics to contradict his own words.
I didn't read any of the argument before or after your post, but zero is a hero despite his words not because of them. he says he's not a hero and in his own eyes he isn't, but a person doesn't decide for themselves if they are a hero. he was a hero to the resistance, to ciel. as he said, he was just cutting down enemies as they presented themselves in front of him, but he did so for the sake of other so many times. Zero is a hero.

>>725321209
good!

>>725304595 (OP)
Really? i played the 4 games in one session because the story really hooked me up
When Zero helmet appeared at the end i clapped

>>725304595 (OP)
It's literally X5's bad ending. Just treat it as non-canon.

>>725321564
Based and not wrong.

There's something about the 'simple' armor/clothing aesthetic of the Zero series I like more than the MMX designs. I should finish this set one of these days and start Harpuia's as well.

>>725305130
>X's body is very easily destroyed by Elpizo (can reason it as Dark Elf juice)
I mean spikes are usually enough to destroy X's body.

>>725321675
I still love the series though. First game's ending was kino.

>>725305415
Zero understood what he was fighting 4.

>>725321727
I would disagree for the males. Leviathan is my waifu however and I fucking love high rise thongs and thigh high stockings.

>>725321727
It looks even more stupid this way.

For me it's Aile

>>725321727
I don't because it belies the idea that they are robots. In ZX I get it because the point was that the distinction between man and reploid has become basically moot, but they're still very separate in the Zero series. And that begs the question of why the fuck do Reploids have defined musculature? It looks stupid

>>725322159
peak megaman design, shit games

>>725322269
I dunno why do they have hair?

>>725322349
I liked ZX whenever it let me pretend it was a standard Zero game.

>>725322417
Dr Light wanted surrogate kids and it stuck around

>>725322349
no, peak games too
much better than all 4 zero games

>>725322269
>And that begs the question of why the fuck do Reploids have defined musculature?
A better question is why is their surface material basically latex?

>>725320472
This is the gayest post I've seen all year. Have a (You).

>>725322702
In ZX it's their skin.

>>725322684
how does one arrive at this conclusion

>>725322159
I always hated how the ZX Advent versions of the guardian models looked lamer than the ZX versions. Guess it's partly due to the X biometal buffing whatever it's paired with.

>>725322702
>Twink with a tube top and skin tight latex
>Zerofags would have you believe this is an upgrade

>>725304595 (OP)
>Ruins the lore
didn't happen
>Ruins the character of X
didn't happen
>Turns every character into a fuckboy design
did happen
>Only good thing debatably is the gameplay
nondebatable

>>725323265
They were always meant to be pale comparisons to the real Guardians anyway because Ciel made them from info she had on them.

>>725323198
playing the games
I love replaying zx

Anyone know why the Zero series gave Zero a held gun rather than his usual buster?

>>725323448
I miss optimistic zero

>>725323265
Victim of the much more Guardian-like designs already being defined as their "with Model X" transformations by ZX

>>725304595 (OP)
Literally the only good thing that came out of this shitshow was Ciel and the ost

>>725323448
MMX Zero looks like he'd trip over his own feet. Let's ignoring the giant green nipples while we're at it. Both of them keeping the white diaper is....a decision though.

>>725323589
Stylistic choice, only X, Copy X and his grunts have traditional busters.

>>725323687
Sucks that the last collection didn't act as an opportunity to source the original audio samples for the music, because god damn some of that shit was stored at 11khz.

>>725323589
The gun was in concept art from before they settled on Zero as the protagonist, it's a holdover in a way.

>>725323708
The Zero design is more diaper-like because it's clearly something put over the top of what looks like skin. In the X series it's just part of the body

>>725323589
Mostly for cool factor

Otherwise there are arm buster users in MMZ. Notably Copy X and the neo arcadia mooks can use them

>>725323805
I never actually looked into the development of Zero. If IntiCreates was just making something already before Capcom tossed them a bone.

At least someone did something

>>725323687
There's only a handful of tracks in the entire series that I cared for

>>725323981
Most were from Zero 2 which had a banger of an OST.

What was worse? X6 existing after X5's plot. Or Zero 4 being made after Zero 3 could have acted as a trilogy closer?

>>725323589
Just for visual stand-out and to emphasize that Zero himself isn't up to snuff. Part of Zero's visual identity is also that he straight up just doesn't use one (even though he canonically has one) outside of some very specific games, and almost exclusively in callback to MMX2's Zero fight with the double buster shot. The biggest odd point about it over time is that Omega also uses a hand-buster because IntiCreates lazed out on Omega having a distinct design from Zero and upcycled sprites, but they did still modify the dimensions of Omega's buster to try and get the look of him having a built-in one instead of an actual rifle or handgun.

>>725324039
Departure is where the Zero series OST peaked

>>725324087
X6, Zero 4 had a pretty good ending all things considered.

>>725324087
Zero 4 left off with Weil still alive

>>725324108
I thought that was meant to show him shooting sideways like some retard.

>>725324215
*Zero 3

>>725324215
>Zero 4

>>725324167
Ice Brain actually

>>725324087
Neither are bad. Nothing from X5 leads into the Zero series and Zero 3 ends on a blatant cliff hanger of unfinished business and pretends it just isn't there to worry about.

>>725305130
Omega coming back in ZX was kino though

>>725324332
Goddamn that fight was intense on Hard mode. Definitely the highlight of the Z/ZX collection.

>>725324332
Nah Omega's fucking dumb.

>>725324332
Was fun doing him after dealing with the Zero3/4 bosses with the GBA carts packed in. I can't recall if that was actually required to face Omega or not in ZX.

How did the last collection handle that anyways? Just kept all the boss gates open by default?

X vs Zero > Canonball

>>725324501
It's not required and the collections handled it the same way the games did because they're just emulated.

>>725324087
I honestly don't mind X6, I loved how deranged Sigma was and all the stupid fucking arbitrary difficulty spikes just to fuck with the player, I loved how it undid X5's retarded ending a bit, I always hated that retarded "omg X and Zero are fated to kill each other" fuck off they're homies for life

>>725324501
>Just kept all the boss gates open by default?
In the menu you can choose which game ZX pretends you have inserted.

>>725308620
The original Mega Man X is a timeless classic.
X4 is the only other good game

>>725323930
As far as Zero concept goes there's a decent amount of ideas that got cut early because they were just throwing shit out there as they always are, like how we only found out years later they floated the idea that Ciel would be playable and use Cyber Elves.

>>725324771
Is that supposed to be X with hair in the bottom left?

>>725306253
>People have this weird idea that X and Zero are crazy powerful with turbo huge stats
They are, cue the endings for the SNES trilogy where their literal stats are immeasurable

>>725324771
punished X is almost as cool as sexy X

>>725325014
>ripped skirt with thigh-highs
Jesus what were they thinking

>>725325014
Interesting that their idea for X actually fighting is in a less gaudy version of Copy X's Ultimate Armor

>>725307653
I like this artist but god he can't draw her helmet. Looks like mom hair

>>725325134
Nothing because it isn't official.

>>725325014
I see why Harpuia was made now...someone probably really liked this idea.

I'm really glad Capcom stepped in and stopped them from making it so X just became the villain. That would have been even more retarded than the story we ended up getting

>>725325225
>Looks like mom hair
Her actual hair is what the fuck but at least it's black like X's so I like that trait connection about it.

>>725325214
And it looks more like X was just in regular robes before being forced into a combat scenario where he destroys his clothes from the fighting. Would an X game with clothing damage work?

>>725325268
Actually. Capcom was okay with it. Even Inafune was fine with the idea. It was inti themselves that got coldfeet and were worried about a backlash that made them back off from it

>>725325268
Inafune did that, not Capcom. Capcom didn't even care about the Zero series until it was time to publish.

>>725308097
I told them about my Urbanmech

>>725324581
the romhack is better
both doors are open

>>725325304
Doubt that counts as her official hair. And that's purple, unless every purple there is supposed to be black, then why not just use black

>>725324087
X6 had really cool maverick and stage concepts but went full retard with story and mechanics
Zero 4 is very enjoyable, not better than Zero 3 but definitely better than Zero 1 and 2. The same cannot be said about X6.

>>725326295
It's drawn by Megaman Zero's illustrator for Megaman's 25th anniversary. I'd say that counts.

>>725326442
The story in X6 is one of the cool things about it until Sigma comes back.

>>725326581
>I hid myself so I could repair myself

>>725326687
Pretty sure that was just botched translation. I wanna say Wily rebuilt him considering he's using a fake identity in X6, but if that was the case then why didn't he just revert him back to his original programming of a murderbot ?

>>725326687
See >>725315715

>>725326490
Yeah I know. Still from outside the games. Not even from a game's art book. It's like saying all that roll hentai is official because it's from the actual illustrator

>>725327014
>why didn't he just revert him back to his original programming of a murderbot ?
Because Wily is a notoriously shit programmer. There's obviously missing context that we never got and I think that's because they ended up dropping Gate as the reoccurring villain for Sigma in the end.

>>725305415
Zero 1 tries to capitulate on the MMX1 promise of X going insane from his unstable programming.

>>725327119
Roll hentai is official however tho

>>725327119
By that logic, it's like saying the Navigators from X8 can't have swimsuits because they were illustrated first before receiving them in X Dive.

>>725327168
I wish

>>725327137
>the MMX1 promise of X going insane from his unstable programming.
This never happened

>>725327137
No it doesn't.

>>725327207
I mean... Yeah. Xdive is barely canon. Not even really. You're obviously not putting that shit after x8 or something. It's self contained, even if they threw around the idea of it being canon it definitely isn't

>>725327237
>>725327275
Copy X was a perfect Copy. He was what X would've ended up like if he was thrust into a leadership position from the get go and told he was based on a famous hero that killed all the bad guys that threatened humanity.

>>725327395
Copy X was a spoiled little brat anon. Zero even calls it out.

>>725327237
did you mean X becoming evil in X5, i.e. a plan that was rolled back faster than you can say mega buster?

>>725327395
Copy X is just a Reploid made to look like X by some hack that doesn't half 1/10th of Dr Light's talent or foresight

>>725327275
copy X did not have years of testing his morality, or something

>>725327391
>I know they said it's canon but it's not
Don't be ridiculous.

>>725327481
Because he was never allowed to mature normally like X did through 100 years of trolley scenario simulations. That changes any boy into a man ready to endlessly bitch about having to make due with the least bad option.

>>725327557
>some hack that doesn't half 1/10th of Dr Light's talent
I mean she invented nigh-infinite energy after a couple years of work pretty much, that's pretty good.

>>725307523
X literally jobbed to vile in the first MMX game

>>725327395
Copy X was NOT a perfect copy. He can't even get X's variable weapons system right. He uses some nigger rigged version Ciel came up with to get around it. X would NEVER end up like Copy X, do you know why? Because canonically, he was already the leader of Neo Arcadia. It's exactly WHY Copy X was commissioned, because the real X just up and left one day to watch over Zero.
>>725327620
Nothing to do with it.

>>725327669
X only just joined the Maverick Hunters by that point. He'd barely had any combat experience

>>725327669
And so did Zero who then jobbed to X then Vile jobbed to X again even with ride armor this time and then Zero jobs to a mosquito, etc. What's your point?

>>725327669
Tbf. it was his first real mission. Zero already had more experience then X at that point

>>725327645
No I don't know. But figured since they use that to gain traction. Same as the suicide squad game. I mean it's up to you if you believe that shit, don't let me stop you. But do you actually see fucking Halloween and Christmas events as canon in fucking Mega Man X? You do you

>>725304751
We don't sign our posts here

>>725304595 (OP)
the ost is mostly good too

>>725327784
>Your leader, who is the progenitor for all Reploids and has strong moral fiber, leaves unexpectedly
>I will make some new robot who looks like him and tell both him and the world that he's the same guy, thereby giving him absolute power over our society
>I don't see how this can possibly go wrong
Why was Ciel so utterly retarded? And why did no one else stop her?

>>725327669
X was literally all that was left of the Maverick Hunters besides Zero during X1 and X literally had just volunteered because he wanted to stop the senseless killing but congrats on that win though because it's the last one Vile got.

>>725328318
wasn't she 8?

>>725328318
She was a kid anon

>>725328318
>And why did no one else stop her?
Because she was commissioned in secret to make Copy X?

>>725328423
She was 8 and also part of some gene experiments for superintelligence, and was put on Copy X duty when they didn't have the time or resources to really do the job properly, nevermind X leaving with zero explanation whatsoever and apparently at a critical enough juncture that his disappearance meant society was going to fall apart on a timeframe of "yesterday"

>>725328423
If you're old enough to be building Reploids you're old enough to consider the consequences of your actions. And there should have been at least one other rational adult around to realise how retarded that plan was

>>725328318
Anon, she was a kid ordered to do it. Ciel is one of many science experiments. Weil was going to be one too.
>>725328423
9, according to the complete works.

Voting for Queen of /v/ is open. Please support Leviathan!

I was bored so I changed the logos of Mega Man 8-11 to use Roman Numerals and same layout like the USA Mega Man 1-7

>>725328573
I prefer Aila.

>>725329478
Alia wasn't nominated.

>>725328561
>about 5 years between everything going to pot with X's disappearance and MMZ1
Jesus

>>725328845
this is what we like to see

After losing half of his health, Flame Stag's flames become blue and his attack speed increases. If his Speed Burner Tackle hits the player, he will uppercut them into the air before slamming them back into the floor. Stag begins in this state in his X-Hunter Stage rematch.

There is a non zero chance I get a real Cinnamon wife...

>>725305415
Recoil and Chain Rod?

>>725327120
>There's obviously missing context that we never got
That's like 80% of MMX's storyline honestly
>>725329592
How the fuck did the guardians never figured out Copy X was a fake ? How the fuck did they not recognize their own goddamn dad ?

>>725330052
There's at least a 90 percent chance!

>>725330052
Way she goes.

>>725330127
That's gameplay.

>>725306325
>>725306623
>>725307074
>>725307206
>>725307653
How could one even engage in sexual activity with Leviathan and also would she even consent to a human?

>>725305593
ZX art style is the same thing but better

>>725308039
Fuck this boss to hell

>>725308097
One of these is NOT a Reploid

>>725308620
Mega Man X rewards exploration and is very beginner friendly. Zero, not so much and I’m going by the first games.

>>725330132
They're the highest ranking military officers of the nation, even if they knew they wouldn't say anything. And they were largely stationed all over the world to fix the environment before things went totalitarian death camp so I doubt they interacted with X much if at all. Fenrir and Leviathan probably didn't care that much, Phantom definitely would have followed Copy X regardless, and Harpuia is just doing his job.

>>725328845
based, we love MEGA MAN Ⅹ

>>725330412
>he hasn't been heard from in a decade

>>725330417
By engaging in sexual activity I guess?
>also would she even consent to a human?
Probably. She's a human supremacist.

>>725306087
MMZ's lore works perfectly fine for the first game but they had to justify sequels so there's like a hundred or so years without X

>>725304595 (OP)
Designs are worse but it's serviceable. It looks good in game.

>>725307198
>growing stronger
And then weaker because each battle with Sigma wrecks his own ultimate armor or something

>>725330417
>and also would she even consent to a human?
Maybe.

>>725328573
>worst mmz girl
she has no chance

>>725330046
neat

>>725308039
That's a man.

>>725330782
His Ultimate Armor has been consistent for three different games. It's his regular armors that get damaged.

>>725330878
why does it sound exactly like a woman?

>>725308428
I mean it's not really a joke in X6 or X7

>>725330941
Because it's a trickster fox.

>>725327207
I was still survived to see how much fanservice both Zero & Legends series got in Dive.

>>725331186
wish we got ZX Ciel (i can't remember her name)

>>725331186
It was nice though I wish Leviathan got a swimsuit alt instead of a kimono one.

Will we ever get Mega Man Legends 3?

It’s been practically 15 years since the cancellation

>>725331361
I was annoyed Vent didn't make the cut from ZX, but Aile did. Every other main protag is in Dive.

>>725331405
I hope not fuck Legends and fuck Legendsfags

>>725331405
never
if we do, it won't be what we saw on the 3ds, they might not want to use the new guy

>>725331361
Prairie?

>>725330817
Actually now that I think about it, Niege and Craft were lovers so maybe it could actually work

Male
Reploid
On
Human
Female

>>725331538
Why did she change her name to Prairie?

>>725331538
Prairie is Alouette

MMZ's designs give me Tokusatsu vibes (but with visible faces) more than what I expect from MM/MMX.

>>725331405
The fans never stepped up to make a big enough deal about it

>>725331689
Probably changed it either when she changed her body (to hide her identity and avoid retirement laws) or when she took over the Guardians (to signal her stepping up in place of Ciel)

>>725331717
I mean there's no "ZX Ciel".

>>725331859
All Megaman is based on toku, also the MMZ artist did a kamen rider doujin iirc

>>725325014
Where the fuck is this from? I'd never seen it before.

>>725331951
Ah. My apologies.

I wonder what an older Ciel looks like. I don't think we ever got a good look at her in ZX

>>725308119
Anon there are plenty of great action games on those systems, yours is probably the dumbest opinion I've read on /v/ tonight

>>725322702
White diapers

>>725331951
True, we will never know what ZXC was really going to be about. It is what it is.

>>725323448
Green nipples

>>725308715
X6 isn't the first game.

>>725332058
>I don't think we ever got a good look at her in ZX
We got this.

>>725330412
>be burger gunner in the chinese-jewmerican war
>last thing you see before having your carrier completely fucked

>>725304595 (OP)
caring about the Mega Man lore puts you on roughly the same spiritual & intellectual level as a brony, and anyone seriously writing "only good thing debatably is the gameplay" in a derogatory way about a video game needs to gtfo of video games

even the best X game is not half as good as Zero and I played them both first as an adult so this is not a nostalgia thing. It's just plainly obvious. X is clunky and has relatively scattershot level, enemy and boss design. Zero as well as being tighter has more player versatility and enemies that push you to use your abilities plus the bosses are way less hit-or-miss. I'll go a step further and say ZX is better than X too, fuck it

>>725331538
yeah, her
she's similar enough to ciel, it's not like her model would take them long to make

>>725332152
Wasn't ZXC going to have Prometheus and Pandora as the protagonists?

>>725332472
She doesn't really do anything besides sit her fat ass in a chair.

>>725332527
Wonder who at IntiCreate from the Zero/ZX team still works there. It's not like they still aren't doing these style of games if Capcom wanted to fund a small 'throwback' sequel.

>>725332598
but she's another cute girl = more money

>>725332648
IIRC most of them

>>725305415
Pantheon are top-tier mooks.

>>725332781
Agreed

>>725332426
The best Zero game still tops out at a 7/10. X, X2, and X4 are all easily superior.

>>725333060
Z2 I'd put above X2, but not X1.

>>725310873
Ok? I don't, so what's your point?

>>725304595 (OP)
>Another rockman zero hate thread

Is there a reason that series wasn't done inhouse? I can't recall what all Capcom did on the GBA besides fighting game ports, and doing Zelda: Minish Cap.

>>725333540
Capcom was doing the X series while Inafune was doing the BN series with his own Capcom team.

>>725333540
Battle network?

>>725333540
Battle Network had like 6 games in 5 years plus their own spinoffs. Inti helped with a couple of those too.

>>725324580
But anon the Eurasia Space Colony did major damage to the Earth humanity almost went extinct

>>725314536
>>725316263
An interview refused to deconfirm the possibility of Omega being the original personality/programming Wily created, so there's that potential wrinkle.

What kind of autist cares about mega man lore? The fuck is wrong with you?

>>725333670
Never heard of it.

>>725333540
MMZ? It was something inticreates pitched to Inafune at the time and he approved of it.

Capcom already had its hands full with the other MM games and battle network was made by capcom

>>725324554
Doesn’t matter Uncle Sigma, Lumine Phase 2 is better than both of them

>>725333696
Z1 predates BN1, unless Capcom just took a really long fucking time to conceptualize and finish BN1.

>>725309770
It actually is, because Zero was designed, built, and programmed for one reason, to ruin shit, specifically if their name happens to be Mega Man. Zero in the MMZ series is pretty much doing what his intended purpose was: to murder anything that got in his way. There is nothing weighing him down anymore such as guilt like during the X saga due to the amnesia so he's pretty much free to go along with his programmed purpose and not hold back or be concerned with mercy.

Despite all that though, it's clear Zero isn't the robot Wily intended him to be. Yes he's taking out adversaries without a second thought, but it's to save humanity, which is the polar opposite of his original purpose. Obviously by MMZ4, Zero makes it clear he doesn't care how the others see him, but it's obvious to the player that X's influence on him is still prevalent from the start of game 1. That's what makes his character come full circle from his time as a Maverick Hunter and that's why I enjoy his Zero iteration so much. By that point as far as he's concerned, Zero's doing what needs to be done, nothing more and nothing less. It's also why I enjoy the artwork for the series because it conveys exactly that.

>>725333737
>The fuck is wrong with you?
I just really love my wife.

>>725333737
im autist :3

>>725333540
Battle Network and Starforce were all Capcom had in their minds for Megaman during these years, although they're divisive since a lot of people prefer the platformers, the games themselves are actually really good and worth a play.

>>725304595 (OP)
>his fanfic OC donut steel character aka Zero
X is just as much if an Inafune donut steel as Zero.

>>725316263
>>Zero then decides to just go back to sleep again even though the virus that he's worried about is now in space with Omega (and will never be relevant again because of cyber elves)
He went back to sleep again because by this point in Zero's existence he's been blackpilled. He doesn't think he deserves to exist in a better, more peaceful world, and in fact thinks that if he were to then he would somehow ruin it. He didn't even tell X he was sealing himself away, X had to figure it out on his own and was too late to stop him.

>Then when he wakes up he's lost all of his memories for no reason
The hibernation was intended to be eternal, so I guess Zero didn't give a damn what happened to him if he got woken up. You could argue it was a failsafe he put in so X wouldn't just wake him up right away? Or maybe he needed to be woken up in a more proper procedure than "throw a cyber elf at him". Who knows, it's all an attempt to write around the original concept of "Zero's corpse from X5 is lying around and an X-gone-evil has forgotten about it" anyways.

It still kinda works because X ended up doing the same thing himself. He always did follow Zero's lead.

>>725304595 (OP)
The decision to give Zero the personality of dry wood was such a wrong one.

>>725320472
Damn that gameplay is HEAT

>>725333737
>NOOO YOU CAN'T ENJOY AND DISCUSS THINGS SERIOUSLY

>>725333937
On the Starforce note, should I bother finishing BN before grabbing that new collection coming out next year? Only cleared BN1&2 in it before I burnt out.

>>725334462
yes, they're better games than the star force series

>>725304595 (OP)
>is the only good part of the lore
>completes X's character
>finally gives the series an appealing art style
>great gameplay
kill yourself pronto

>>725334462
They're completely separate stories and there are only a few near easter egg references to Battle Network, plus they play completely differently from each other.

So yeah don't worry you can play them anytime, also for BN try and play 3 then skip over to 6 or 5.

>>725334462
Not necessary for the story or anything, it takes place a century later like every megaman game.

>>725334227
He's not entirely a dry piece of wood. He occasionally does some really awful one-liners without any of the endearment that he had in the X series

>>725331506
Its why I wasn't as miffed about it being cancelled like everyone else. As soon as I saw that clown, I knew Inafune was trying to shove another Not-Zero somehow into the series.

>>725334580
>appealing art style
LOOOOL

>>725333540
inti is a bunch of people who worked on the x series and left capcom because capcom sucks
inafune still worked as producer, so it was capcom in all but name

>>725309770
Zero's character in the X series has been getting more jaded with each installation since X4. By X8, he's basically his Zero self only he at least has X there to trust his back to.

At the beginning of Z1, the intent is that Zero has lost his memories but his personality is mostly intact. This didn't make sense back when Z1 first came out since previous to that was X5 where Zero was more serious than X4 but not a full on robot but if we're gonna be like that then the X as portrayed in X5 (much less X6) would never have given up and become a cyber elf. You were just to assume that Stuff Happened in between X5 and Z1. By Z2 the intent is that Zero is back to his usual self, but the only person he really trusts is X and to an extent Ciel, as can be seen by how X is the only person capable of getting an emotional reaction out of him.

By Z3, Zero has come to terms that whatever his past may be, he exists in the present. And Z4 has him (potentially ironically, it depends on if you believe he's gotten his memories back by this point) answer the question he so famously yelled in X4: what is he even fighting for? And then he gets to finally die. As far as character arc conclusions go, it's a solid one given he didn't have one to begin with.

>>725334606
>also for BN try and play 3 then skip over to 6 or 5.
Is 4 that bad to not bother with even if I just use that cheat-code option they put into this collection for the 100dmg shots?

>>725334462
Since you finished 1-2 you could try 3 at least. It's considered one of the best games in the series.

BN4...is uhh. Bad. But it's your choice. BN5 sits firmly in the middle as far quality is concerned. And 6 is good.

But you don't have to rush them or anything. SF doesn't really have that much to do with BN. It plays very different. And takes places over a century later after BN6

>>725334863
>By X8, he's basically his Zero self only he at least has X there to trust his back to.
He couldn't be further from his Zero self as he is in X8 and later CM.

>>725334864
I don't think 4 is irredeemable for a single playthrough. There are things about BN4 that are unique and not awful. It's just very much going through the motions for most of it and has some particularly annoying sections. If you enjoyed playing through 1/2/3 casually you'll probably be fine 4 and are more likely to get annoyed at 5 really.

>>725334945
>left-handed X
Ya dun fucked up.

>>725334864
aside from general sloppiness, they have 3 difficulty levels like dmc where you unlock them subsequently for new game plus. in a card game, this means you don't get good cards until playthrough 3. it's dull and maddening.
it's still mostly a battle network game though and their new ideas like counter hits and soul unison are based. it's not awful, it's just very disappointing.

>>725335064
All I could have really asked for in this collection is the option to disable random encounters with a button press. BN2 was fucking awful for it with the amount of running around I had to do without resorting to user-made maps.

>>725335164
>disable random encounters with a button press.
Worth noting the star force collection actually does have this as a new feature, you can disable random battles in it, it would be nice if it got retroactively added to BN's collection

>>725334748
Toru Nakayama's art is excellent. If you disagree, you have shit taste and suck dick for for FREE just because you like it, and that makes you a faggot.

>>725335429
BN having that, and a universal multiplayer menu would have been nice. I made the mistake of getting it on PS4, and since there was no cross-play, the multiplayer died real quick because you couldn't queue for matches in multiple games at once.

Ideally they'd just let me run two instances of the game at once so I could at least trade chips with myself from the other version in MMBN3 onwards for 100% sake.

The Zero series is weird to me because the writers wrote a lot of interesting character-work seemingly by accident. For example:

>why did X give up on Neo Arcadia?
He really did it because Z1 was rewritten at the last second, but him going out like this is a sensible conclusion to his character. X was created simply to exist. He's not like Zero, who at the very least always had his intended purpose as a combat robot, he could choose to be whatever he wanted to be. But because he was such a moralfag, he willingly took on more and more responsibility. By the end of his physical he seemingly had no friends at all, and his legend and role prevented him from ever changing that. Him getting depressed and taking the first opportunity he got to kill himself for the greater good makes sense, as is him not doing anything until Zero woke up because hell, he still cares about Zero.

>why didn't X tell Zero about Omega?
Zero has a bit of arc throughout Z1 to Z3 of not fully believing he's actually Zero. Ciel tells him all the time in Z1 that he must be Zero because look how strong he is, but he never says that he's Zero until the finale of Z3. X is aware of this, and being the overthinking sap that he is, doesn't want to tell Zero about the fake body thing because "my body is fake? then I must be fake too" is an easy inference to make. It's stupid because I'm pretty sure Zero would listen to the full story and take X at his word that he's real, but again Zero is literally the only thing X cares about at this point so yeah sure X treats him like glass.

>>725335482
A shame he hasn't posted much on his twitter this year.

i always just end up using the sword exclusively in these games am i missing anything

>>725335041
>incredibly professional, barring a few one liners
>Only Cares About The Mission, Sorry [Navigator Girl]
>privately wonders about the point of his existence, and whether combat robots can ever do anything else
>opens up more to X
>despite himself, looks forward to peacetime
That's Zero by Z2.

Command Mission doesn't gel with that, yeah, but Command Mission also fucked up X's personality so whatever.

>>725335996
the rods are sometimes fun
the buster is boring and the shield is gimmicky. sometimes they have cool ex moves

>>725335996
if you want to style on fools you could use the other weapons like the chain rod or recoil rod. But it's completely okay to just use only the Z-saber, then again even in MMZ4 where they did get rid of the other weapons and only added Z-Knuckle and the base saber and buster you can still do with the z-knuckle

But yeah. Pretty much just optional

>>725336018
>incredibly professional, barring a few one liners
He just does things.
>Only Cares About The Mission, Sorry [Navigator Girl]
He cares immensely about Ciel, stop lying.
>opens up more to X
>X comes in to tell him about the Dark Elf awakening
>"HURR GET TO THE POINT AND GET OUT X"
>privately wonders about the point of his existence, and whether combat robots can ever do anything else
That's a lie.
>despite himself, looks forward to peacetime
Lie number 3.
>Command Mission also fucked up X's personality so whatever.
Lie number 4.

>>725308620
Play X1/X2/X4
ignore the rest

>>725336538
Please finish X8 before commenting on it.

>>725336018
>Command Mission also fucked up X's personality
Howso?

>>725336665
You first since you're resorting to making shit up that never happens outside of him ignoring Layer.

I wish they didn't completely drop the mission structure after 1. I liked having an actual mission structure vs. the traditional MM Robot Master select screen.

>>725335482
I found this artbook at my local comic shop years ago and I love it. Nakayama became one of my favorite artists after going through that book.

Thread's dying quick post Leviathan sex

>>725339098
Female robot masters/mavericks/reploids were a mistake.

>>725339243
t. Weil

>>725335996
Yes. You are not using all the tools available to you. How can you get an S rank with just sword?
More range. Another charge shot. Why not use it? They get better with the boss upgrades and element chips.

Don't get me wrong, sword is the main thing you'll use and obviously you can get through the game with it.

>>725339725
>How can you get an S rank with just sword?
Sword and buster is all you need though.

>>725339725
>How can you get an S rank with just sword?
Even as a babby I remember getting S-ranks in Zero 2-3 with only the Z-saber and buster

>>725335996
I actually really liked the Z knuckle because it had so many forms. Its the weapon stealing I crave from Megaman games.
Seriously, you could have lasers, shields, missles. Sometimes they are tailored really well to the stage. I have a really memorable run of a snow level where you steal bombs off a bot and lob them mid dash-jump to kill another before landing. No momementum lost.

>>725322269
Also Reploids in ZX tend to have red forehead gems the humans do not

>>725340405
Why did he do it?

>>725339797
>>725339842
In my head I was including buster as another secondary. He said just sword right?
I mean, you're right but using the others dependent on level is a big help. There are several stages where my run swaps weapons at least once. Its been a little while but I know it makes a bunch of the mid stage gimmicks a lot easier / more consistent.

>>725340405
Back when trans was cool.

>>725340452
He wanted to be cute & valid in his new body

>>725340405
His MMX body literally had green tits. Zero was always a tranny

>>725340513
I mean that. It is short for transport. Like how Megaman has a teleport! That's cool. This modern dumb fuck ideology of "Hey, who even knows what the difference between a penis and a vagina is?" kinda ruined it. Just a little bit.

>>725331538
Pandora

>>725332527
Where did you get this top secret confidential GIF anon?

>>725332781
They strangely look like X too

>>725340943
I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

>>725334945
>Metal Blade exists
>MMMMMMMM MEGA MAN TWOOOO... BEST... GAME... EVA!!!!! THANK YOU KITAMURA

>Chargeable Buster exists
>NOOOOOOOOO THIS TRIVIALIZES THE WHOLE HECKIN GAME! THERE IS NO POINT TO USING ANY OTHER WEAPON!!!!

Why are Classic fans like this?

>>725341042
NO SHIT

>have this Elf system
>penalize the fuck out of your score if you damn well make any use of it
>game is harder than more MMX games without munching on multiple Elf to increase health pool

>>725341798
These games are not hard and I say this as somebody that S ranked all 4. That doesn't excuse how bad they are but difficulty is not one of those issues.

>>725341798
I kinda like that you kill elves when you use them. To be a real hero and save everyone you take on more challenge and beat the game on low HP etc.
It flows with the core of the game. You're kind of supposed to go for S rank so you never want to get hit anyway.

>>725339243
But enough about Woman Splash

>>725342716
You're going to get hit, that just "flows with the core of the game" due to the fact that shit will just aggro on you from off screen with only 3 frames to react so you'll be repeating the stage once or twice until you get it into memory of where all the utter bullshit is. Punishing the player for what is traditionally supposed to be a reward for exploring is a retarded idea that Inti later dropped for good reason.

>>725342874
Splash Woman genuinely had no reason to exist. Honey Woman beats her design by a mile.

>>725340405
A-Trans!

>>725341798
Dude, the game NEEDS to prevent you from touching the Elf system, otherwise its piss easy, just look at Zero 4, that game lets you go buck wild with the elves with no penalty and thats why its the easiest of the bunch.

>>725341798
To use certain Elves requires E-Crystal grinding as well, and they require a shit ton of feeding, it’s like a double punishment. Nobody mentioned Weapon Skill Proficiency grinding either

>>725342920
I don’t understand why they opted for mermaid over her, but god, what a loss. She's adorable.

>>725304595 (OP)
I can't imagine being this wrong. It is easily the best sub-series in the Mega Man franchise. No bad games, four soundtracks full of bangers even by Mega Man standards, competent story with an actual ending, only smooth brains who try to face-tank every obstacle get filtered.

>>725342920
Mermaid > Bees

>>725343329
Ironically it's the other way around since that's her weakness.

>>725343297
>No bad games
I wanted to stop reading there but I kept going out of curiosity of how much more wrong you could possibly be. You did not disappoint.

>>725306253
It's really weird that people don't realize this... when it's directly reflected in how you have to play the game to win.

>>725343510
do you hate every game ever made? if a single mmz game is bad than half the x series is cock and ball torture

>>725343026
I still think it's stupid to design a cool player customization system and then punish you to the point of never engaging with it.

>>725343297
>No bad games

Uhhh anon?

>>725343665
No, only the Zero series and half the ZX series.

>>725343665
>if a single mmz game is bad than half the x series is cock and ball torture
...Yes? When has ANYONE stated the opposite? Zero 1 has severe first game syndrome and X3 5 6 and 7 are cancer.
Weird point you are trying to make.

>>725343784
Dont get me wrong, it is, I am not defending it.

>>725342889
It's a hard game, in part because you have to react quickly. I think you're looking at this the wrong way. I say S ranking is the ultimate goal of this series because it gives concrete rewards and your score drops when things that make the level easier (elves)

Here is another reason. Never getting hit, going fast, competing the (side) missions, eliminating every maverick. THAT is playing as Zero.

>>725343947
>S ranking is the ultimate goal of this series because it gives concrete rewards
Said rewards can be achieved with an A rank though, all you get for an S rank is a title to jerk off your ego.

>>725343297
Based. True. If you don't like this game, that's a skill issue.

>>725343947
>It's a hard game, in part because you have to react quickly.
The game forcing you to either have near perfect reaction that pushes the human limit or compromise by memorizing enemy layouts isn't "hard", it's bad game design with the mental gymnastics of excusing it as adding difficulty. I am looking at this the correct way. You are the one trying to rationalize glaring faults as a feature. S ranking doesn't really give shit unless you just like completionist content you'll never use. Do you even know what Z1's S rank reward is? A Cyber Elf, the very thing that punishes your ranking to begin with for using.

>>725343026
They should have difficulty balanced it around using elves.

>>725343510
which game filtered you anon? were you hoping for another dating sim to goon to?

>>725343794
push the sword button when it gets close

>>725344058
Getting S rank feels good man. Its cinematic too. "Dash under a laser, slice a missle out of the air and turn around tl shoot a guy as you're jumping off a ledge" type of shit. (don't want to lose that Enemy point)
It feels like [ Zero ]

>>725344176
Skill issue

>>725344284
Neither of them. I've S ranked all of them and it was the biggest slog of my life.

>>725344274
I have the idea that the elf system development was disconnected from the rest of the team at best or a last minute addition at worst, the way it was handled its just too unnatural and backwards.

>>725344346
That's not a skill issue, that's you not knowing what the fuck you're talking about after binging Magnus Zero and thinking it's the coolest shit ever.

>>725344418
>Game actually rewards skill
>Is...lel bad
Yeah. Skill issue. Let me guess DMC is bad because it doesn't throw out SSS ranks on DMD

>>725305871
THEY MADE A SERVANT FOR FGO?

>>725344487
>rewarding skill
Did my post prior just fly right over your head or something? Are you that ignorant?

>>725344636
>Ad hominem
Concession accepted

>>725344319
This guy gets it. The whole point of this series is the RUSH of cutting through an army of advanced reploids with a crap body because you are a living legend. You aren't simply face-tanking everything with fancy armor and four sub-tanks. You are winning with skill and speed. In-world your enemies' confidence goes from "this ancient reploid doesn't stand a chance against our grunts" to "wait, what's going on" to "we have to sacrifice ourselves to try and slow him down".

>>725344665
>Ad hominem
Okay Mr. "Skill Issue". If you didn't want to argue then you should've just lead off with that. I kinda got the point anyway when you immediately resorted to that after getting called out for your bullshit.

>>725344274
Nah because the game has a ranking system and it wouldn't be meaningful if you could just significantly reduce the challenge before starting a mission by properly min-maxing elves. All the cool unlockable abilities are EX skills that don't affect a non-hardmode playthrough's ranking anyways.

>>725343297
It's a consistently average series and nothing more, and the soundtracks are terribly mediocre by Mega Man standards

>>725344487
What rewards are you talking about? Feel good doesnt count as a reward, thats subjective, grinding cyber elves and breaking the game in half is also fun and that goes against your point. You can enjoy a flawed game without trying to pretend its actually perfect.

>>725305415
visuals
story
soundtrack

>>725344982
filtered

>>725345007
Retard

>>725345007
the ex moves. also some mini games and shit. i will accept your apology in the form of complete surrender.

>>725345046
>No argument
Concession accepted lil bro.

>>725345032
>Ad hominem
Not an argument.

X > X4 > X2 > Z3 > Z4 > X3 > X5 > Z2 > X8 > Z > X6 > x7

>>725345098
>the ex moves
Which can be unlocked with a simple A rank? The skills that should be part of the progression of the games, because getting skills from bosses is a core part of the Mega Man franchise? The skills that you can miss if you dont play the game like it wants you to play it? Those EX Skills?

Zerofags are you ok?
Are you ok?
Are you ok Zerofags?

>>725345179
>NOOOO WHY DOES THE GAME NOT HOLD MY HAND
It's okay little zoomie. Zero give a crutch anyway. Just use the cyber elves

>>725345179
skill issue

>>725345179
genuine skill issue. if you can't naturally get A ranks then you may just be shit at video games

>>725345258
Bet you like X6 and defend it as a great filter too.

>>725345319
Yep.

this is why we cant have megaman threads open up with a zero game, it always devolves into this.

>>725345228
>Ad hominem
Say it with me now.
NOT. AN. ARGUMENT.

>>725345390
Not MMZ's fault it has a schizo that sucks at the game

>>725345258
>>725345271
>>725345289
I already accepted your concession, no need to push it further.

>>725345453
Skill issue

>>725345179
These cretins will continue to cry skill issue but you're right. The Zero series's pathos is taking shit that already worked in Classic and X and making it more annoying. The only improvement it has is allowing you to use a proper saber and buster at the same time

>>725345429
Yeah. *raughs in worst selling Megaman sub series*

>>725345453
I have no interest in arguing with an invalid. /v/ being shit at video games is nothing new

>>725345390
>Classic threads
Fine unless some pedophile starts posting Roll
>X threads
Almost always devolved into X6 apologist routines
>Zero/ZX threads
This shit
>BN threads
Gay porn
>Starforce threads
Don't exist
>Legends threads
Crying about no Legends 3

>>725343795
sanest x fag. have fun with x7

>>725345717
If I wanted to play something on par with MMZ then I'd just play that instead.

>>725345639
You are exagerating but it still made me laugh.

>>725304595 (OP)
I remember watching Clement's LPs of these and him losing his monkey shit in rage over the bosses having names that were more intricate than Noun Man or Noun Animal.

>>725345639
>Starforce threads
>Don't exist
We do exist anon

But it's also arguing about Luna/Sonia. Or how SF isn't BN

>>725307198
I thought he was B class because he wasn't gung ho about going rip and tear on mavericks like Zero was and that kept his rank down.

>>725346947
That is why.

>>725304595 (OP)
Megaman zero was trash.
My boy deserved better than that.

>>725307198
It's dumb that in the later games X is still treated like some sort of rookie shitter especially in comparison to Zero by the mavericks. Despite having bested Sigma several times by his lonesome and not once needing to be completely rebuilt after getting destroyed like Zero.

the true reason to do a full S rank run of a zero game is because you find them >!fun!< and want to try getting the most out of the game
outside of an incredibly messy picrel for the final stage, i loved my S rank run of Z1. i had one going for Z3 as well, but stopped at volteel biblio's stage because it was pretty aids to play the stage. i might get back to it someday tho

>>725345392
wrong game faggot lmao. you're supposed to be 18 to post here

>>725345516
>>725345179
The Zero series cares about how skillfully you beat a level, Classic and X doesn't give a shit about how badly you play so long as you get to the finish line. This is the difference in design philosophy that filters some who like the X and Classic series from Zero

>>725347372
He's only officially treated as a B rank. Everybody knows what X has done and what he's gone through. That's kind of the whole dynamic Axl has with him, this awesome big brother who does cool shit and the younger brother wants to be like him. X starts off telling him absolutely no and trying to show him the darker side of his Maverick Hunting duty but by X8, X a deeper sense of finality of doing what needs to be done even if he doesn't like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYX6xaK3tQ4
People really do not give X's character and development the credit it deserves.

>>725347765
>The Zero series cares about how skillfully you beat a level
The Zero series cares about how many enemies you kill without taking too much damage. A quarter of the time you'll be farming enemies just to meet the quota because the stage doesn't spawn enough while going through it.

>>725347765
X5 and X6 both have the same pointless ranking system as the Zero series, but I dont see you defending those. You must be farming for (You)s at this point, replying to a post from a discussion that was left behind.

>>725347765
The zero series cares about wasting your time. You can’t even replay missions or retry them without restarting the game

>>725347940
That was my main gripe with my first run through in Zero 1. I knew what to expect with Zero 2, but I was shocked by Zero 3 still not having a restart function.

>>725333342
You should suck my dick for being a wrong little asshole. ;)

Is it really that bad? I didn't think so

>>725348354
People shit on it for the final level of Kings castle, the rest of the game is not THAT bad.
But since the end is what people remember the most, it has a bad reputation.

>>725348354
I need to replay it but I remember the auto scroller at the final levels being an absolute bitch.

>>725348354
I liked it way more than Mega Man 7 & 8, despite its higher difficulty.

>>725348354
People who hate it probably played the GBA version, which had fuck-all for vertical resolution, and thus, vertical scrolling required in areas that the SNES version didn't.

>>725304595 (OP)
>Although I would submit
what did he mean by this?

>getting replaced by the maverick hunters
>suddenly get a report that you need to come in for questioning because repliforce is suspected of causing a maverick attack
>btw come with all your weapons disarmed
>lagoon incident was actually done by a fucking maverick hunter in a false flag attack so they would have an excuse to scrap them all
Repliforce did nothing wrong.

>>725348354
>>725349727
There can be couple other reasons for it too
>stages are incredibly easy as Bass, but boss fights can be a chore due to how his buster damage works until you get upgrades
>mega man feels gimped in comparison during the platforming segments, but his charge buster makes boss fights a bit more tolerable
>no e-tanks
If there was a way to get some e-tanks, I'm sure the game would be remembered more favorably.

>>725347832
Literally never had to do this and I beat all four with A ranks throughout.

>>725347897
I haven't done a playthrough of those games because I didn't like them and I haven't claimed that I have. The X series drops off substantially in quality after X1, and the drop off massively accelerates after X4.

>>725347940
>>725348120
You can use a Save State at the start of a mission to quickly retry them dummies.

>>725352783
>You can use a Save State
I shouldn't have to

>>725352783
>You can use a Save State at the start of a mission to quickly retry them dummies.
If you played them on original hardware, the usual Capcom soft-reset button combo would become pretty familiar while doing attempts

>>725352897
Don't cry about problems with easy solutions that you refuse to use yourself then. Apparently not even an actual issue if you played on the original hardware even according to this anon: >>725352957

>>725353107
That just takes you to the title screen which is the whole issue to begin with.

>>725353273
I would care if the only way of playing MMZ was using a unmodified ROM on a unmodified GBA. But the two most common means of actually playing the series nowadays, and the way that 99% of players will actually use in practice solve this issue. The only actual issue is (you) being a stubborn retard, fixes for QOL issues like this for old games are as common as air..