Thread 725309508

Why are there no video games set in the Byzantine empire?

>>725309508 (OP)
There are no games set in a lot of places at different historical times, Byzantines are not special in this.
Besides some strategy games, but those often don't have "culture" aspect of it.

>>725309508 (OP)
Because Greece is a poor country these days so don't have much cultural reach

they didn't do shit except get rekt by greedy italian crusaders and later the ottomans.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C1B-IzALZNM&list=RDC1B-IzALZNM&start_radio=1&pp=ygUPYnl6YW50aW1lIGFuaW1loAcB

Maybe someone will make a game of the anime?

>>725309508 (OP)
>Why are there no video games set in the Byzantine empire?
Nobody likes a video game about the losers of history

>>725309508 (OP)
Because devs tend to focus on their own history, and most game devs tend to be Western or Asian.

That's why you get a lot of medieval England, Japan, America etc. because that's where the people who make them come from.

>>725309971
They're literally the Roman Empire, just with their capital relocated east, and this didn't even happen after they collapsed, but during the empire's prime; and they lived on for almost 1000 years after the west collapsed

>>725309508 (OP)
oh, the Byzantines...who were they again? fuck, this is gonna be on the exam isn't it...

>>725309508 (OP)
Bannerlord, kind of.

The best game of the decade, Elden Ring, is set in the Byzantine empire

>>725310064
>They're literally an other Roman-larping useless faggot race like g*rmanoids
ftfy

>>725309508 (OP)
no one cares about loser grekoids and their pederasty

>>725309508 (OP)
Byzantine milfs raping Varangian shotas

>>725310064
>Wild redditor appears

>>725310064
>They're literally the Roman Empire
except they didn't include Rome
>new york city is just an idea. Anywhere could be new york city, including Los Angeles. In fact, Los Angeles has a better claim to being new york city than new york city does.

>>725310089
>eats food with a fork
Yeah I am really struggling with this
>drives over suspension bridge
Probably just a footnote in history
>goes to the hospital for surgery
Yeah Byzantines didn't really have any legacy did they?
>lights cigarette with greek fire
Yup, just a big nothing
>Utilizes hundreds of years of scientific knowledge

>>725309508 (OP)
because its lame and gay and it's history is just collapsing untill it's gone(good)

>>725310718
Yeah because it was an empire you dunce, Constantiniple was richer than Rome so they moved their capital. Empires have multiple provinces and territories and after hundreds of years the Greek part of the empire became wealthier and more influential than the Italian part.

Damn why does Byzantium have so many haters?

>>725309508 (OP)
Nobody cares about The Raped

>>725310906
>A bunch of greek-speaking greeks living in greece and turkey are LITERALLY a city in Italy because uh money or something
you're an orthofag aren't you

>>725311004
Filthy lat*ns are always chomping at the bit to disparage the Roman Empire (Greek).

>>725310006
HOW COULD THE BALKANS BALKANIZE LIKE THIS

>>725310064
>They're literally the Roman Empire
Mehercvles...the things I mvst to read on this board...

>>725311116
You're really that hung up over a name? It would be like if USA annexed Canada and then moved the capital to Toronto a few hundred years later, then Mexico invaded and annexed most of the original USA except the Canadian part.

>>725310006
we have games about americans in vietnam and in the middle east though?

>>725309508 (OP)
Reminds me of a skin in IDV

>>725311282
>the only thing that stops a chainsaw from being a motorcycle is the name. If I started calling my chainsaw a motorcycle, then it would become a motorcycle.

>>725309508 (OP)
0 market for it outside of Balkans.

>>725311467
You're acting like governments and cultures are some sort of absolute which never changes over history

>>725311136
Are they just romans? There are plenty of games with romans.

>>725311636
They're Romans but medieval

>>725310006
All historical empires and civilizations lost eventually.

>>725311623
Rome was call the Great Qin from the contemporary chinese empire of Qin, was Rome also the chinese empire because the chinese themselves called it such?

>>725311705
medieval? Oh, like Zelda. Gotcha.

>>725311927
If the Chinese actually marched in, conquered it and moved their capital there, then yeah, that would make it part of the Qin Empire, or even its center.

Do you not understand the concept of an empire? Most Chinese states were really just assimilated rival kingdoms. Over time these all became integral parts of Chinese identity. If China moved their capital it doesn't make it not China.

>>725311741
most empires rise and fall
byzantium only did the latter

>>725312434
But the roman empire did not move their capital, that's the entire fucking point, the roman empire was completely broken and torn apart by the time the bizantyne got to call themselves such, they had as much legitimacy to the name as Barbarossa, even less in fact because at least Barbarossa got to hang around the actual Rome.

>>725311004
They hate Christianity

>>725310806
holy buttblasted r*man

Elden Ring has a ton of Byzantine inspiration. Especially Lyndell's architecture and the Perfumers for example.

Because the period is uninteresting and Christianity is Jewish.

>>725312697
>But the roman empire did not move their capital, that's the entire fucking point,
They literally did

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great
> the roman empire was completely broken and torn apart by the time the bizantyne got to call themselves such
They literally never called themselves Byzantine, they called themselves Roman Empire since ancient times, the word Byzantine is just an invention of western scholars to differentiate it from the Holy Roman Empire, which actually had no continuity with Rome

>>725312697
>But the roman empire did not move their capital
Yes they did.
>the roman empire was completely broken and torn apart by the time the bizantyne got to call themselves such, they had as much legitimacy to the name as Barbarossa
Constantinople was the eastern seat of the roman empire for over a century before the western half collapsed. One of the augusti was living in Constantinople when it happened!

>>725311038
Wrong

>>725313006
The word Byzantine comes from Byzantium, where it fucking is.

>>725310006
Italy looks pretty fucked up here/

>>725313167
They did not call themselves the Byzantine Empire, they called themselves the Roman Empire.

Are you stoned or something? This isn't particularly advanced knowledge.

>>725313319
Continent drift, please understand

>>725313363
You cannot seriously be arguing that scholars invented the word Byzantium to differentiate Byzantines from Germans.

No one could realistically get confused between a clusterfuck of Germanic proto-states and the Byzantines.

>>725313006
>Conveniently leaving out the embarassing fact that the empire was already divided by the tetrarchs when Constantine pulled that shit
The Empire was quite literally torn apart and ceased to exist formally when it was split, again, Constantine had as much legitimacy to being called "Roman" as Barbarossa and all the other LARPers
>They literally never called themselves Byzantine
I clearly didn't mean that they called themselves byzantine, please work on your reading comprehension

>>725313006
Yeah ans Sultanate of Rum called themselves Roman and slavic Romanian gypsies now call themselves Roman, as do Russians and Americans.

>>725313581
I'll just give you the chatgpt output since it's all you deserve

What they called themselves

Officially and in everyday life, they called their state the Roman Empire (Basileía tôn Rhōmaíōn, Βασιλεία τῶν Ῥωμαίων in Greek), and themselves Romans (Rhōmaioi, Ῥωμαῖοι).

Their emperor was the Emperor of the Romans (Basileus Rhōmaiōn).

The term Byzantine comes from Byzantium, the ancient Greek name of the city that became Constantinople (modern Istanbul).

Western European scholars in the 16th–17th centuries, especially after the fall of Constantinople in 1453, began using “Byzantine Empire” to distinguish the medieval, Greek-speaking Christian empire from the ancient Latin-speaking Roman Empire.

The term was popularized by Hieronymus Wolf (1516–1580), a German historian who published the Corpus Historiae Byzantinae in 1557.

>>725311170
>Venecian hands typed this post
You can continue to lie all you want but the Roman Empire fell in 1453 and not in 475, you renaissaniggers are pathetic.

>>725313621
>>Conveniently leaving out the embarassing fact that the empire was already divided by the tetrarchs when Constantine pulled that shit
>The Empire was quite literally torn apart and ceased to exist formally when it was split
I seriously suggest reading a history book. You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>725309508 (OP)
Because to both Europeans and Americans, the byzantine empire is and was always irrelevant.

>>725313816
I'm not arguing what they called themselves you fucking retard, I'm saying the word "Byzantium" wasn't just plucked out of thin air to differentiate between them and Germans.

>>725313737
The turks and whoever else never actually had a single, unbroken line of Roman government with Rome like the Roman Empire (Greek) did.

>>725313938
It would be like if USA fell and then hundreds of years later, people claim it wasn't USA, it was the Washingtonian Empire. This has as much intellectual integrity as calling the Roman Empire "Byzantium".

>>725313581
>You cannot seriously be arguing that scholars invented the word Byzantium to differentiate Byzantines from Germans
They literally did. Well not the word "Byzantium", but the use of "Bzyantine" to describe the easter Romans. It was not done at the time.

/v/ is a Southern Empire board

>>725313937
Without the Byzantines, Europe would have been conquered by Islam

>>725309508 (OP)
Edward Gibbon

>>725312697
nigga probably thinks ancient slavs called their lands kyivan rus

Was it the Byzantines who invented dragons? As in, the modern Western dragon. Holy FUG. The very concept of a knight "hero" slaying a dragon. The entirety of fantasy owes this to them. JRPGs? Hydlide. A pure homage to dragon literature. Skyrim and such wrpgs with Wyverns are probably the same. List goes. It's the very root of Fantasy in general.
SMB. Mario goes to save the Kingdom of Peach. This maiden-in-distress trope borrows from knight literature (aka. hero saving the maiden from the "dragon" more of a lizard). How could you say no game was inspired by them if so? D&D. That's dragons. There's few things more influential than dragon and a medieval dragon is what comes to mind first.

>>725314234
Muslims did conquer Europe and it was because of Byzantines and christfaggots.

>gets banned from /his/
>crawls back to spam his twitter shit on here
Kys brown subhuman hellspawn

>>725309508 (OP)
LET ME TELL YOU
ABOUT
CARTHAGE

>>725314427
Contemporary islamification of Europe is a direcg result of secularization actually

>>725314105
Posters from the Washington Empire can't comprehend that an unbroken continuity of government existed in the Roman Empire for a millenia after their shoddy textbooks told them it collapsed

>>725314427
>blaming Christians for the actions of atheists
Lmao, Christianity has zero influence in modern European society.

>>725313816
>This bullshit again
EVERYONE in the european/mediterrenean area tried to pass themselves as "roman" by using poorly thought out semantics, the germans had their Kaiser, which comes for Caesar, much like the slavs have their Czar, NEITHER were roman even if they loved to LARP as such exactly like the Byzantine.
Rome fall in 475 and that was the end of it unlike this faggot here>>725313821 desperately tries to deny, everyone else was a faker, this is Barbosa tier bullshit

>>725314856
One of the Roman Augusti was literally living in Constantinople when the city of Rome fell. The Eastern Romans had full legitimate legal claim and their capital city was just better than Rome had ever been.

>>725314680
Seculiraziton is Christianity, retard, it's started with people quoting bible, like all bad ideas.
>>725314798
Catholic banking families have immense influence and the Catholics are largely behind mass immigration and leftism.

>>725311004
Unironically it's all Germans who are generationally assblasted that they're not Roman
They're still seething about the fact that their "Holy Roman Empire" was none of those things, which is why they renamed the Eastern Roman Empire the "Byzantine" Empire
The descendants of those German Rome larpers immigrated to America and became American Roman Republic larpers, who still to this day seethe at all actual Romans
This is also why Americans say Italians, Italo-Greeks, and Russian Muscovites (i.e the actual inhabitants of the First, Second, and Third Rome) aren't Roman and aren't White

>>725314856
>EVERYONE in the european/mediterrenean area tried to pass themselves as "roman"
except none of them were part of the Roman Empire, unlike the EASTERN Roman Empire, the WESTERN HALF collapse and the EASTERN endured for another thousand years thanks for its geography and economy. Your retarded ass assumes just because a portion of the empire went to shit means the entirety of it collapsed as well, all because western retards during the Renaissance wanted to larp as romans but couldn't accept that Roman Empire were still a thing in the east so they decided to label them as something else, specially after it collapsed.
Again, venecian and italian hands typed this.

>>725315076
>The Eastern Romans had full legitimate legal claim and their capital city was just better than Rome had ever been.
So much better that to this day nobody gives a shit while Rome is one of the most visited city in the world

>>725314856
You demonstrate you have absolutely no knowledge of history.

Read, nigger, read >>725313006
The Romans moved their capital to Constantinople before the collapse of Rome. There was an unbroken continuity of government. At no point did the government, or empire, dissolve, until it was invaded by Turks a thousand years later.

The Holy Roman Empire had no continuity of government with Rome, it was a German kingdom, unrelated to Rome. Russia claimed the title of Roman Empire through marrying a Roman (Greek) princess thus the title claim was claimed to be hereditary rather than via a continuance of government (and still implicitly legitimizes the Greek-Roman claim since it's what their own claim is based off of). Neither of these other cases are comparable. Turks and whoever else calling themselves Roman has even less credibility because they lack even the flimsy claims of the Germans and Russians.

Amazing how the retards ITT who know nothing about history are the ones shouting the loudest

>>725314798
modern day gaytheism is a direct result of Christianity
nobody would have ever gotten the idea of "separation of church and state" if the Catholics weren't a literal 3rd world institution stealing everyone's money and acting like corrupt african dictators

>>725315356
Blame the ottomans for that tragedy, while Romans were squatting in the middle of dilapidated and nearly depopulated ruin, Constantinople was one of the largest cities at the time. Rome only came about again thanks to the Papal States.

>>725315356
Downplaying importance of eastern roman empire was and still is favourite pastime of western historians

>>725315356
The city of Istanbul has a population of over ten million. It's not a tourist destination like Rome is purely because it was captured by 15th century muslims instead of 5th century germans

>>725315267
>>725315402
>I'm Roman
>Muh third Rome
shut the fuck up ivan

>>725315606
Use the city's real name please
*muslim-occupied Constantinople

The American education system has failed its people

>>725312697
The Western Roman Empire moved their captial to Revena and before that it was in Milan, does that mean they weren't roman? Rome was only made the capital again in 450 AD 15 years before the fall of Rome, does that mean the western roman empire was only Roman for those 15 years and not before that?

>>725315924
Yes

Where's a game set during the rise and fall of Genghis Khan's Mongol Empire?

>>725315924
>He doesn't realize that the Ravenna Empire was a completely different nation, culture and government than the Roman Empire
Didn't you know? When you change your capital, your entire civilization instantly morphs, Sid Meier's Civilization taught me that.

>>725316180
Sid Meier made good games so he can't be wrong

Stop hating on the HRR!

>>725309508 (OP)
What are you supposed to do in such a situation?
If you flirt with her, you can lose your head. If you don't flirt with her, you could hurt her feelings and she can fuck your up. That shit is scary.

This is a Byzantine queen according to video games.

The reason why I love history threads on /v/ is because we actually have a few very knowledgeable autists here that mix quite well with the few absolute retards who don't know shit, which results in the knowledgeable autists explaining what actually happened in an easily understandable way.

>>725313916
>The Roman Empire ended with the the tetrarchy in 293
Now THIS is some hardcore history

>>725317620
This but unironically

>>725311362
Made by americans

>>725312781
Understandable i guess

>>725309508 (OP)
>that time in history when Anna Komnene was literally sopping wet at the sight of a Norman knight
What a fucking slut.

>>725317220
The (original, medieval) story of the Green Knight deals with that scenario

>>725317957
>ywn have a komnene princess, known for their legendary beauty

>>725317276
Pretty sure they mostly had slavic queens at some point

>>725311004
c*tholics

>>725317918
>Emperor Alexios, this is how you make an atom bomb! What are atoms? Just shut up already and start digging for uranium

>WE WUZ ROMANS N SHIET
Do white people really?

>>725317918
>not going back to Augustus and teaching him about germ theory and how to make gunpowder

>>725318482
now hold on just a second there. you're about to tell ME that we were kings and stuff? wowzers!

>>725310006
What a shitty map.
It's not a smaller states on the north west, It's Hungarian empire on it's peak power in the middle ages with Hunyadi and his Black army, and it's not a "Ottoman Balkans" it's Despotate of Serbia, Wallachia on it's peak with Vlad Dracul, Bosnia, Albania on its peak with Skanderbeg, and this green blops is not a Venice but Epicus aka old crusaders and Ragusa aka the earliest gun users in the Europe, also you put Athene in a smaller states, but it's a Florentine city so everyone I mentioned were Christians, yes even Bosnians and Albanians. So they all were backed up by Pope.
This is the most retarded map, Ive seen this week. Shame.

>>725310006
>duchy of nachos

>>725318681
Remember when the Serbs could have changed the tide of history in favor of Skanderbeg and the Greeks but sided with the Turks instead? I remember.

>>725311004
we wuz romans mad about the actual east roman empire

>>725311527
Your mom has 0 market outside niggerhood, but it doesn't stop her from selling her ass.

>>725318482
I'm pretty sure it's scientifically verifiable that every white person alive today literally has Roman DNA in the same way it is scientifically verifiable every white person alive today has Charlemagne's DNA.

>>725318482
>SAAR WE WUZ ARYANS N SHIET
Do pajeets really?

Varangians are like the coolest thing ever