Thread 725320846

The older I get, the more I realise video games are just a poor substitute for literature. One is just entertainment for the masses, the other can and will change your life.
I'm off, /v/ros. Don't waste your life like I did on cheap entertainment. Read, fuck, live your life to the fullest, and never turn back.

>>725320846 (OP)
fiction is in the same tier as video games

Film is just as bad as well. Good call OP.

>>725320846 (OP)
See you tomorrow.

Books are a distraction and paltry replacement for true philosophical conversation. The written word has made its consumers lazy and overly reliant on externality instead of improving their own memory.

I know it's bait but i genuinely hope this kind of book elitism dies out over time. works like Crime and Punishment or War and Peace don’t need people constantly putting down everything else. Even in video games there are works with comparable depth, maybe they don’t aim for fancy prose or have the flawless execution of those giants, but they’re still of equal intellectual value at their core

>>725320846 (OP)
I read books and play videogames because it's not an either/or thing, but good for you champ.

>>725320846 (OP)
They have their strengths, but also weaknesses, visual aesthetics being one of them. Interactivity another.

>>725320846 (OP)
Absolutely, if they're pretentious videogames. A real vidya and a book have nothing in common, so it's dumb to call them substitutes

>>725321418
I don't want to sound elitist or aggressive, but could you name a couple of them?

>>725321498
Same. They're both easy to balance and pirate. Although I only play triple a games and read sci fi/fantasy books that appeal to my sensibilities.

Anything to avoid playing a videogame, huh.

>>725320846 (OP)
I read book and I wouldn't say they've changed my life. If they have and I just didn't notice, I'd assume video games have done the same.

>>725321562
For me, classics like Planescape: Torment or Xenogears, I’m not saying they have the same formal quality (pacing, prose, overall execution), which would objectively be false, but in terms of substance I don’t think they’re inferior. I’m not trying to sound pretentious or anything, that’s just my opinion.

Socrates says OP is a faggot

>"For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem [275b] to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise."

Socrates says shut the fuck up OP.

>>725322016
Book bros, how do we recover?

>>725322016
And yet the only reason we know about Socrates and what he said is because of books. Coincidence?

>>725320846 (OP)
>books
entertainment for the uncultured masses
>vidya
can and will change your life, aimed at highly cultured individuals

Is there enough quality literature compared to quality vidya though?

>>725322016
Socrates Nuts

>>725322747
There's more than you can read in a lifetime. Start with the Greeks.

>>725322016
Based Socrates

>>725322016
This is very true. This becomes evident when arguing with bookfags, they can't respond to any of the arguments you throw at them and will just tell you to read some dumb book. The main problem is that they don't understand, the premises and conclusions in their books sound convincing to them but they'll never be able to express the ideas therein using their own words because they don't actually understand any of it.

>>725322196
I learned about him via Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure.

>>725322196
if i were an asshole i'd shit on that anon for making the classic error of attributing plato's writing to socrates
i won't though because i'm a nice guy

>>725320846 (OP)
Why do new bookfags always post basic bitch stuff anyway then come to /v/ thinking they are hot shit?

>>725321418
>>725322013
Based genuine reply in a shitposting larp thread

>>725322860
What's Metal Slug 3 of literature? I'd rather start with something like that.

>>725323190
Because the vast majority of them only read basic bitch shit and smut.

>>725323158
I mean doesnt Plato make Socrates the "main character" of his writings? Plus he was his disciple.

Snobs of any medium are insufferable. Filmbuffs, bookworms, music nerds, theater geeks, and gamers, they're all the same. Keep your hobbies to yourselves, cool it with prescriptive attitude, and shut the fuck up.

>>725320846 (OP)
>tries to praise his own refined tastes
>picks Trash and Garbage by Tolstgoy
Just imagine a man that had his life changed by reading a glorified soap opera script.

>>725323327
Probably a picture book of Victorian era paintings

>>725323190
No need to attack Tolstoy just cus OP is a fag, w&p is kino.

This is and isn't true, it's true in the sense that stories serve no purpose in games. It's false in the sense that games still offer their own fun. People need to stop trying to combine the two. There are so many good stories out there but not a single good vidya story, vidya is good at being vidya. Neither is a substitute for the other.

>>725322016
Delete this

>>725323585
This. The fact that OP chooses Tolstoy over the far greater writers in the Russian tradition (Gogol and Pushkin, to name two) shows that he is either a) terminally deprived of good taste or b) has never read a novel other than War & Peace.

>>725322196
Wasn't he the one that lived like a hobo in a barrel? I remember there was a story of some greek philosopher ripping into a kid for throwing rocks at strangers saying that he might hit his oldman because he was the bastard son of a whore.

>>725323531
I agree, like it's much more interesting to explore other mediums/works than saying "nooo x is better!!!"

>>725320846 (OP)
video games aren't similar at all to books, it's like books do the only things video games don't, unless you play movies and walking simulators which are inferior to books

>>725324070
That's Diogenes. Supposedly Alexander the Great went to visit him because he was intrigued and admirative of the man. Alexander told him that if he wasn't Alexander, he wished to have been Diogenes, who then responded to Alexander to move away because he was blocking the sun.

>>725324146
They are all bad though.

>>725320846 (OP)
Most books are not interactive. Most books are also not visual. Some books are able to integrate a metanarrative using the means as an end, like House of Leaves, but the greatest book in the world will never hold a candle to a movie when it comes to visual grandiosity. Just the same way, the greatest movie in the world will never hold a candle to the shittiest game when it comes to player interaction. All are legit forms of art and draw their strengths from different places.

>>725326237
I disagree. If you have imagination it's always better to read the book than watch the movie based on the book. I always end up disappointed with the visuals compared to what I imagined.

Why is it always Tolstoy with pseuds?

>>725321418
I want to sound aggressive never name them

>>725326696
High page count.

>>725326696
Because he's genuinely a great author. I have high doubts that anyone shitting on great authors like Tolstoy never actually read them and call them pretentious as a way to cope.

>>725324405
>who then responded to Alexander to move away because he was blocking the sun.
Thats no Chad, not even a Gigachad, thats a fucking Hyperchad move

>>725322016
Holy FUCK bookfags murdered

>>725326970
Yeah but it's ALWAYS fucking Tolstoy.

>>725327149
Maybe he's just very popular

>>725327149
He's just that good. Nobody reads Tolstoy and comes out the same man as he was before.

whats the world of warcraft of literature?

>>725327751
LOTR?

>>725320846 (OP)
It’s just a fucking book.

>>725324405
Damn, he really called Alexander the Great a mark.

>>725320846 (OP)
>multiple chapters detailing some teenage girl's crush on a guy
Oh wow, such high literature.

>>725327149
He's boring enough so the pseuds can feel like they're smart for reading it. It's boring, so they perceive it as a book smart people would read, and that's what reading is about for them.

Dostoevsky is significantly better.

>ex33 came out ages ago
>still no english translation of the book that inspired it

>>725328043
And yet it will resonates with your soul a hundred times stronger than any video game ever could

>>725320846 (OP)
Niggas say this, read the same 5 slow Russian novels everyone memes themselves into reading even when they've never enjoyed the equivalent of shit like that in any other form of media, realize they're not having much fun, and stop reading assuming it's not for them. Read some Calvino or something. Some Borges. Keeping to big canon authors, Nabokov is pretty fun. Melville.

>>725328464
Out of curiosity why do you think Dostoievsky is better than Tolstoy? I likw both equally.

>>725328514
Now that's a pretty arrogant thing to say

>>725328592
>Nabokov
Based cunnysseur

>>725320846 (OP)
>no bro you don't get it, story on paper is totally different than story on screen
We are all the product of our experiences no matter what form they take. You view yourself as an empty vessel waiting to feel fulfilled but changing your contents will not content you, you need to learn to make something a part of yourself, not to simply consume it.

>>725322016
People don't read and they don't really discuss much of anything but only what's on HBO night so I feel this might be super outdated instead of dated.

>>725328592
I like Kafka

>>725328867
>no bro you don't get it, story on paper is totally different than story on screen
the medium is the message

>>725328629
He doesn't waste hundreds of pages on the most inane, boring, dull characters and non-events that have no point in being written down.

>>725320846 (OP)
Video games are a better storytelling medium than books.

>>725329026
Name one

>this entertainment is better than that entertainment
will never understand this mitwit cope

>>725328950
It's some nice world building that adds to the atmosphere and believability of the setting. It can be boring at times but I don't really mind.

>broooo you gotta read (some shit from a hundred years ago) its sooo good broooo
>yeah bro i loved that but (the same 5 books everyone mentions) are even better bro
Why is literature such a dead medium?

>>725329092
It's the same kind of people who say they'd be too bored if they didn't have to work every day.

>look at list of top 100 books of all time
>it’s all tragedy slop
…what causes this phenomenon?

>>725329191
>world building that adds to the atmosphere and believability of the setting
Anon, it's literally just Russia.
Why do you look for world building when the world is the world we live in?

>>725329230
t. brown

>>725321340
Books and conversations are both pale substitutes for lived experience. Being educated but inexperienced is like being a porn addict; yes, you know what sex looks like, but nobody wants your advice on that subject.

>>725328946
I mean I guess every story was published in its chosen medium for a reason but that doesn't really say anything about the comparative value of the medium itself

It just annoys me that if you think a video game is as deep as a book, people just laugh in your face...

>>725328867
There has yet to be even a single alright writer in video games because any writer or philosopher worth his salt wouldn't write a video game story.

>>725329359
1810s or 1880s Russia is a completely Alien place to me. No country, especially not modern Russia can make me understand the way people and society worked at the time

>>725329327
They only read mature novels for mature readers such as themselves

>>725329491
Philosophers don't write stories either

I'm tired of normalfag status games.

>>725329558
He’s just another existentialist

>>725329536
>Philosophers don't write stories either
?

>>725329617
Literature for this feel?

>>725329446
McLuhan argued that each medium (like print, television, or the internet) extends our senses in a specific way, altering our perception of reality and changing our modes of thought and social interaction. For example, the linear nature of print encourages linear thinking, while the fast-paced, image-driven nature of social media encourages instant reactions and fragmented thought

>>725329527
Russia is as much of a corrupt backwards shithole as it was in the 19th century.

>>725329738
Games can go a couple of different directions depending on their design

>>725320846 (OP)
I'm reading Dead Souls and been getting into literature these past few years but I still play jrpgs and other vidya. Yeah there's a quality difference between War and Peace and the ha has in kiseki but I need my turned based slop with cute lolis.

Read Moby Dick

>>725329470
Because the kind of games that reach that level of depth aren't widely marketed, much less mainstream. The average person still believes that there isn't much more to games than Mario Bros., CoD, and Madden.

>>725329867
don't. i read it and then embarrassed myself in public by claiming whales are fish

>>725324405
You're mixing stories (though I'm not much better). First Alexander said if he weren't himself, he'd wish to be Diogenes. Diogenes responded if he weren't himself he'd also wish to be Diogenes. Alexander then said he'd grant him one wish, and Diogenes wished for him to move out of the way because he was blocking the sun.

>>725322016
Does anyone responding to this post realize he was referring to the virtues of oral tradition? I seriously doubt anyone here has memorized the entire fucking Epic of Gilgamesh as would have been expected for a wise man in a preliterate society.

>>725329986
That's even better.

>>725329738
That's true. But even as a "read the source material" purist, I wouldn't say a story can't be separated from the medium it was told in.
On the other hand, when you re-tell a story, it's never the same story being told in the same way.

>>725327921
WoW is a bastardization of LotR. WoW is closer to Discworld.

>>725330101
>virtues of oral tradition
Isn't that the whole deal with the Illiad and how some people think that Homer just transcribed a bunch of hymns

>>725330101
I'm pretty sure it's the same guy responding to his own post.

>>725329867
I've read a little bit so far. The guy freaking out about having to share a bed with another dude was funny.

>>725322016
BTFO

>>725320846 (OP)
>>725320846 (OP)>>725330461
>>725330419
>>725330371
>>725330303

Did anyone else get older and start thinking everything is a waste of time?

Like I can’t enjoy music, hobbies, friends without thinking I could be doing something productive?? Like I feel like I need a second job and I don’t know why

>>725330495
Goyim, I...

>>725330101
>has memorized the entire fucking Epic of Gilgamesh as would have been expected for a wise man in a preliterate society
This is itself a misrepresentation of storytellers as people who remember and recite the "correct" text, and not people who were able to pass down a story and tell it in their own words
The death of Homer's craft is someone in the audience being able to refer to a piece of paper and say "you got that wrong"

>>725330495
yes my fellow goyim we should all spend every waking moment working until we drop dead like G*d intended for our kind

>>725320846 (OP)
War and peace was great. Maybe a 9/10.
I do agree video games usually don't have very good storytelling. Same with movies. Because they don't have enough text. Manga is better. VNs are really up there. Books are great ofc.

>>725320846 (OP)
>One is just entertainment for the masses
You just described novels LMAO

>>725320846 (OP)
I know VNs and games with writing that is on-par with, if not simply better, than books and movies.

>>725330709
Any recommendation?

>>725320846 (OP)
What are some good books bro? Right now I'm reading Casanova's Memoirs which is very funny.

Count of Monte Cristo is my go to when i need a safe classical pick like if a foid asks what your favorite book is

>>725321418
You putting those 2 books together in one sentence annoys and amuses me. No offense directed to you, just the sentence itself. Crime and Punishment was so mediocre that I don't consider it in the same category as war and peace. War and peace feels like a writer with a lot of experience writes about a ton of different characters in different situations and shares his takes and portrays life. Crime and punishment is just writing death note with a schizo in a predictable way with a lot of lazily wrapped up plot threads (e.g. one of the antagonists just kills himself lul ok, another guy just... Moves away)

>>725330775
Mere Christianity, C.S Lewis.

>>725330709
Name 3 (Three) VNs

>>725330775
Slaughterhouse Five

>>725329379
he's not wrong. Passages from East Of Eden would get flamed as amateur trash if people didn't recognize them.

>>725320846 (OP)
This is a mid/quarterlife crisis that moviegamers get once they realize the stories they've been playing through are fanfic-tier. But tons if not most games have merit that's primarily derived from their agency and mechanics not their narrative. Tolstoy isn't a substitute for Civilization or Portal or Doom or BotW.

Books are retarded

>>725328464
Nah dostoy is simply on a lower level of writing quality
It's death note/mid tier VN writing

>>725320846 (OP)
well said, Steven

>>725320846 (OP)
what if the game is a book? also why did you replace vidya with books exactly? i mean they are fun the last one i read was kafka on the shore but idk why either would need to replace the other

>>725328950
As opposed to dostoy who doesn't write a single character worth reading about.

>Book so long you can't physically finish it
Soul.

>>725330881
Svidrigailov kills himself from the guilt of his actions taking its toll. It is to show that Raskolnikov only has two options, confess to his crimes or follow Svidrigailov.

>>725330495
Yeah I get you.
Reading Dickens I can still justify to myself as valuable. Otherwise I kinda look down on taking in fiction. Only for myself. I don't look down in anyone else who does it obviously. It's a me problem. I think for me it's too much wading through slop to get to something worthwhile.

>>725330709
Is that game actually good? Be honest. Like is it 9/10 tier

>>725331354
How do you have this mentality and post on 4chan? The internet is a much worse waste of time than even the worst slop entertainment

>>725331215
Your point can be completely valid and at the same time I think it's bad writing because it truncates his whole presence with almost no payoff

>>725331442
That's a very complicated question with several layers one could answer with.
The basic one is when I'm too tired to read a book I can do less demanding stuff like browse here.
Then there's stuff like how you can get unfiltered ideas from a variety of people at once, or engage in direct debate and so on, or get porn or other stimulation or jokes or see how culture is evolving in various spaces etc.
Of course it's also wasteful at times.

>>725331442
Also I doubt 4chan is worse than slop entertainment I would rather slap myself for 3 hours straight than watch 3 hours of netflixslop

It's fine if you like to read books but the elistism from book readers is the finest sign of a midwit. If you hear the common argument for books that it just "feels right" to hold paper and something like a kindle is wrong, you know you're dealing with a retard trying their best to pretend they're a sophisticated intellectual.

I listened to the audiobook and it was trash.
"classic" literature never lives up to the hype.

>>725330495
I'm at the point where I only want to waste time. I hate hard work, effort, and doing anything remotely productive. Obligations are obligations and I'll take care of those, but I don't want my own time to just be obligations.

>>725320846 (OP)
>(((kaufman)))

>>725320846 (OP)
>The older I get, the more I realise video games are just a poor substitute for literature.
You're a giga fucking retard. Literature and video games are two entirely different things. That's like saying music and sports are the same fucking thing.
Fuck outta here, nerd.

>>725328592
Borges sounds interesting. I'll try some of his books right now. Thanks for the recommendation.
>>725330495
Maybe find a more productive hobby? Cooking, playing an instrument, learning a language, are all skills that can enrich you more than any "consumption" hobby like movies, TV, vidya, or books.

>>725331720
I agree. Although it's mostly on a technicality because I am still elitist, just about books, VNs and manga as a basket. I believe they're better than films and TV for example. Video games don't really feel like competition per se but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think mediums that combine text and visuals freely are simply biased towards being the best for storytelling. Books can replace visuals with other techniques do they're up there too. But at the end of the day I think words have the most power. So for a video game to be really up there I'd expect a bunch of wordspam.

>>725331720
I mean I've read books on my phone and it's absolutely a worse experience than if I just had the actual book in my hands

>>725330495
Only stemBUGS, soulless anglos and muttmerican golems think like this

>>725320846 (OP)
>literature
You mean really slow and boring gameplay?

Reading books won't keep your brain sharp. There's no challenge in it if you can read.

It's the same as going to the gym and just standing still. Doesn't work.

Your brain will slowly but surely slow down to the pace of reading books while gamers will get faster and stronger.

>>725331924
phone is bad but a dedicated ereader is good and better than paper in some respects

>>725331784
Cooking is especially nice because it’s relatively low barrier to entry, I’ve gotten like four dutch ovens just gifted to me from either family or family friends.

>>725332038
What exactly do you follow for cooking I'm curious

>>725329986
Based lad

>>725331994
Cognitive excercises won't keep your mind sharp, only physical excercise will.

>>725331653
>or engage in direct debate and so on
How many times have you had an earnest debate here? I just call the other person a retard and move on because 99/100 they're just trying to make you mad and you lose by even engaging.

>>725332181
Honestly? Duckduckgo search AI has been fairly reliable for avoiding undercooking food. Sometimes you really don’t need a recipe, just a few different spice mixes and a rough feeling of what you’re going for.

VNs are probably the most literature-adjacent video games and I've read a few that I've enjoyed a lot, but out of every story I've ever read that wasn't a book I think I'd point to the manga Billy Bat as the one that most felt like "classic literature"

>>725330881
Don't try to pull this "too cool for school" shit when you obviously don't understand the themes and subtext of the book. Yes, superficially it has similarities to Death Note but it's not supposed to be interpreted as a detective intrigue or battle of wits. It's a character study of a young, insolent man and his struggle with the futility of his vain ambitions. If you couldn't figure it out on your own, the novel practically hits you over the head with its central thesis in the Epilogue.
>>725331556
Bruh, what do you mean no payoff? The other anon literally told you the payoff. It's directly forewarns of the choice facing Raskolnikov at the conclusion of his arc. Narrative payoff doesn't get more blunt than that.

>>725332181
Think of your favorite foods you've recently had a restaurant or other event and try to make them yourself. I tried Crème brûlée for the first time only a few years ago, and spent a couple of weekends learning to make my own. I bought ramekins, a blowtorch, turbinado sugar, and learned to make a bain marie in my oven all to get it right.

>>725331784
>literature has been relegated to consumption hobbies
Dante is spinning in his grave

>>725333061
You mean in Satan’s mouth at the 9th circle of hell

>>725330495
I now know why my dad would always shit on me having fun

>>725331994
why are zoomers like this? What are you trying to improve? Your brain? Is that the new cope to get laid on top of going to the gym everyday just for a chance to get pussy?
You don't "improve" your brain. You grow up and learn new things that are genuinely interesting to you so you can feel alive. Books are probably the best way to do that outside of real life experience.

>>725330495
Americans are like catholics that self chastise themselves for sinning, but an American's worst sin is not making enough money for their overlords.

>>725334231
Wait what’s wrong with self chastising if you’re sinning?

I thought the whole point of being Christian is not to sin?

>>725323327
maybe porn and weed are more your cup of tea

>>725332283
wrong and retarded

>>725334847
Okay but what porn actresses do you recommend?

>>725334686
Americans view not making enough money for their boss as a worse sin than committing any crime or breaking any commandment.

Everyone I’ve ever known who had books as a hobby is either a hoarder or an alcoholic

>>725334995
Emma Paige

>>725321418
>Even in video games there are works with comparable depth
Kek

>>725335049
Learning about how the world really works does make you an alcoholic and or substance abuser. I wish I sticked to my bingbingwahoo games and didn't fall into the literature and philosophy rabbit hole.

>>725321418
It'll never die out but I just want anyone citing high-brow book elitist titles as their favorite to explain what about it makes it their favorite. Since people can often just cite some pop cultural shibboleth of "I have good taste please accept me" without actually being able to articulate in a personable, non rote memorized way why they like it so much. This goes for books, movies, music.

Like as much as I enjoy the Iliad and Mycenaean age >>725322860 I will be able to criticize the Iliad for the flaw of 75% of the book being
>Papadopoplous son of papadopoulous son of [greek god] is from such and such city and did such and such
>A spear just smoke through his brains now his eyeballs are jiggling around as Nikolaos son of [greek god] dances
>AND HERE COMES DIOMEDES WITH THE STEEL CHAIR MAH GAWD STONE COLD STUNNER
Repeat x12043 times

The more poginant moments are fantastic, incredible. But it was a dreary fucking read in between them. In terms of entertaining prose I prefer Shahnameh even though the Iliad has rich themes and Shahnameh is more or less just "Persia is cool Arabs and Turks suck"

>>725335602
>Papadopoplous son of papadopoulous son of [greek god] is from such and such city and did such and such
>A spear just smoke through his brains now his eyeballs are jiggling around as Nikolaos son of [greek god] dances
>AND HERE COMES DIOMEDES WITH THE STEEL CHAIR MAH GAWD STONE COLD STUNNER

>>725335602
>>AND HERE COMES DIOMEDES WITH THE STEEL CHAIR MAH GAWD STONE COLD STUNNER
Alright I knew there was something for me in this thread and it was that.

I like this book. I don't know what's going on half the time but despite that I keep wanting more.

>>725335215
?

>>725320846 (OP)
>Don't waste your life like I did on cheap entertainment.
i can't afford expensive entertainment

>>725330495
Nobody on their death bed goes "I wish I worked more" unless they are dying of lack of funds, or they did not provide enough for their kids, or their work was their passion and not simply a means to make ends meet. If it is a passion then go hard at it, but work will not set you free when it's just toil to pay bills. One of my aunts passed away last week and her work was very productive (Working with fellow vets) and inspiring for her, and she provided well for her kids. It's very sad she died, but I'd imagine how miserable it would have been if she had done some soul-sucking corpo job instead, made money with the "I'll retire and enjoy it!" and then whoops rugpull before the finish line GG no RE.

When it comes to creative kind of hobbies, your imagination is more intimate to you than anyone can ever be. It was with you when you started to think as a conscious being, it will be with you until your brain dies. I don't like the hostility to it. It feels like a materialistic anti-manichaeanism where the spirit is now the evil thing and the material monetary thing is the only good. You can strawman this to excess with the dangers of perpetual daydreaming, but

Lemme put it this way - what are you making that money for?
>Bills to pay else you are in trouble
Okay
>Provide for my family
Based 100% great work.
>Retirement to enjoy life later
Can you scale it back to enjoy more of life now? Who said you're going to get to live to +65? Don't sacrifice the future for the present, but don't sacrifice the present for the future either.
>It's what I am supposed to do, I am wasting time if I don't
What do you gain out of doing what you are supposed to do? You are not a slave, a machine, why do you always have to be productive?

>>725336034
midwit glue trap

>>725320846 (OP)
You're retarded

>>725335158
Anyone else

>>725336347
And

>>725331784
That's the key to me. It's not that a hobby or entertaining yourself is bad, it's the nature of it. Consumption has a time and place but it's not as virtuous as production. But bear in mind when I say production it's not toiling to make money. It's making something. On a CERTAIN level the autist creating some 1200 page stupid fanfiction is being more creative and more productive than someone reading high-brow literature and doing nothing with that but flexing it in social circles. But ultimately there is a question of the quality of that work. Since 'work' can range from woodworking, gardening, writing productively, learning to make music, ect. But you could strawman and extend it to 'shitposting is work'.

Sitting passively and consuming something as a spectacle isn't. You can and should do that, it's what humans have always done. Just don't do nothing but consume. There's a real joy in creation, and even more so in seeing others enjoy and consume what you've created. Try it!

I go now to shoot GIs in vietnam vidya gaem. Good luck haff fun and I wish ya'll faggits the best.

>>725336709
Little Mouchette

>>725336723
>>725336347
Thanks for the post anon, I’ll try to reframe my thinking
Have a good weekend faggot

I only read pornhwas

>>725336925
List 10

>>725332283
You're retarded

>>725331994
>Reading books won't keep your brain sharp. There's no challenge in it if you can read.

You can make the same argument for games. There's no challenge in it if you can play.

>>725336034
>fantastic prose
>tons of content
>doesn't dawdle around on anything too long, but also doesn't let anything go pointlessly
>bizarre ideas and setting, bordering on surreal
This is my book. It was written for me. God damn why are so many authors SHIT? For every Gene Wolfe, there's a thousand-thousand "born author" middle class spergs that think tacking around at Starbucks long enough will make them a good writer. Even the second rate authors that I see being touted around as "underrated" or "almost as good as" are atrociously bad, like I tried reading the Black Company, but the prose and ideas and dialogue were all so atrocious I had to drop it after only a few tens of pages.

>4 hours
Nice job jannies

>>725335602
>And Yabadabadoopolis killed Diabetes by piercing him in the side with a spear. The darkness filled his eyes and he fucking died. Diabetes was the son of Diabetus and was the strongest man in yada yada yada *twenty lines later* but now he’s fucking dead
>Tyrannosaurus shot Skwoomy Woomy the Thracian through the chest plate and the darkness filled his eyes. Skwoomy Woomy was the son of Dicksucker from the valley of Salami *20 lines later* but his great wealth could not save him and now he’s fucking dead
Holy shit it just goes on like this page after page. Is this what the whole book is going to be like?

>>725337610
the truth hurts anon. it's time to grow up and live the life you were always meant to live.

>>725337610
thread was probably made by one honestly

FACT: Milton > Dante
Seething shitalians need not respond

I've had people told me that my nightmares could be made into books when I people about them.

Ever notice that these threads are made by nitwits to go on rants they'd immediately get shut down for on other boards? There has NEVER been a good off topic thread on /v/

>>725335602
I like Lolita because Nabokov does a good job explaining what's so attractive about hebes and he plays with the English language in a way that's fun to read. The book is also a dark comedy at times (he tries to talk shit about the boy who took Lolita's virginity only to someone who mentions his name to him only to be hit with "he died in the war" and left standing there speechless looking like a massive cunt). I also relate to his shock of meeting his old neighbor whose wife died of cancer and he's moving to South America to marry a young girl, like, "What? That's not a thing the minor characters in my story of life do. You're supposed to just quietly retire!" I've had that feeling so many times as I get older and I watch the adults around me go through unexpected arcs of their own. The ending is also powerful to me. Seeing a man abuse a little girl in a way no lolicon ever would, ready himself to murder her, only to find out that little girl doesn't exist anymore, and what is his reaction? Does he kill her in anger? Does he leave in apathy? No, he actually loves her and throws his life away to get revenge for her. I think seeing her grown up made him recognize her as a person instead of a sex object and he realizes what a failure he is.

I just finished The Hobbit and I really liked it. I was drawn in right from the get-go because Tolkien writes it as if he were sitting there speaking it out loud to a child. He makes the quiet life of a hobbit sound so idyllic and yet you immediately understand Bilbo's desire to prove himself, like he's been set up to be a hero, all he has to do is shut up and take it. It's interesting how imperfect everyone is, too. People describe Tolkien as being black and white, because dude...these dwarves are fucking USELESS. There's 13 of them and only three or four do anything positive the entire adventure. They mostly just make a lot of noise. The Elfking and Bard have dickish moments, too, and Gandalf is a master manipulator.

>>725337898
Such a coward that you cannot even point fingers to decry the supposed degenerates. Pathetic faggot, worse than a coward, passive aggressive as anything more is too scary for your atrophied wrists.

>>725320846 (OP)
>literature isn't for the masses
Brainlet

>>725338050
>Such a coward that you cannot even point fingers to decry the supposed degenerates
>you have to argue with my dumb bait in my off topic thread
No I don't think I will janny

>>725337784
Pure kino

>>725338129
not a cracked spine in sight

>>725338345
Put your book on a table and stop reading like a retarded animal

>>725338129
I have the Landmark Caesar and was COMPELLED by my good conscience to toss it the MOMENT I say ''''BCE'''''

>>725320846 (OP)
Okay but what about listening to audio books and playing video games at the same time?
https://vocaroo.com/1Ayb8B4sb1vX

>>725338568
>he threw out the most incredibly written work of capeshit ever put to paper

am i pretentious bros, I've read it three times over the years and it made me cry because everyone was a real knigga

Video games are the greatest form of art that humanity has ever created.
Midwits revere the classics while intelligent people simply enjoy them.

>>725338860
Why is the title in French

>>725337898
Lie nvke. Off topic threads are the best /v/ threads

>>725338985
dumb ass editor looking for a snappier title and I'm not kidding

>>725338129
>all untouched
>no aeschylus, aristophanes, xenophon, ovid, or aristotle
>no language learning material
>t*lkien
Kill yourself NOW!!!

>>725339232
You've never read a single book in your life. Genre fiction is not a real book btw
>aristotle
Bruh he thought animals were magically born from mud

>>725326696
biggest book in the school library all the "nerd" kids read

>>725339475
>Genre fiction is not a real book
Glad we agree. I presume that the Tolkien will be thrown out momentarily?

>>725339708
Look the origin of the image up in the archives

>>725331050
same shit happens after reading dune and realising star wars is gay

>>725339914
Hmmm nyo

>>725340165
Hmmm looks like your shit thread is once again dead then.
>I've play slop movie games all my life and now im bored, time to ruin literature next! Can't wait to force my indolent behavior onto /v/!