Thread 725352059

>filters brainlets
Is EU5 their best game yet?

Yeah because it filters brainlets

>>725352059 (OP)
what game

>>725352059 (OP)
at least the best 1.0 of their games

>>725352059 (OP)
that UI certainly filtered me and made me refund it

>>725352059 (OP)
>filters brainlets
What's the best advice you can give to brainlets/noobs?

>>725352658
depends on where you fail
but I'd say automate your market, build buildings after RGO and play as a costastal nation with your capital at the coast to spread control over the sea
then the rest will be similar to EU4

>>725352059 (OP)
Unironically, yes. There are bugs, but the core is very solid, as is their approach of attempting to simulate history, instead of just shitty arcady
>click mission tree for claims on the whole world
>click button for immediate trillion ducats
You can easily spot a brainlet by the fact that they automate everything. Also retarded takes, born out of not playing or understanding the game. I saw someone claim the UI was bad, because seeing a country's opinion was a convoluted process. In reality, you see opinion by hovering cursor on the country, clicking on the country or just using opinion map mode. The UI is worse than EU4, sure, but there are a lot of retards out there, complaining about nonexistent things. Hopefully they add multiple map modes to a single keybind soon, like in EU4.

This is the first time I've heard of a new strategy game dropping and actually being an improvement in years, is it really that good?

Newbie support thread?

On the map there was a place that had sheeps on it. So naturally i built a sheep farm there. However nobody starts working at the sheep farm for some reason. Demography tab shows that there are 1800 laborers in that area. Why do they not start working at the sheep farm? I also started constructing a "Farming village" there hoping that would help. But i have no idea

>>725353543
It's good but the sheer amount of information and decisions can be overwhelming. Every single person that lived during that time period is simulated.
It's also overwhelming in scale. You go from the Middle Ages to Napoleon's era, so a playthrough can easily be 200+ hours.
They

>>725352658
Only develop around your capital first as these will be the places with more control. More control = more money, troops etc. Building in a region with 0 control will give you nothing.
Also build roads around your capital for increased control

What's the point if normal people can't understand your game

>>725353543
Imagine CK3 without character interactions but more sliders to tinker with. Not a bad game by any means, but the hype is just that.

>>725353415
>as is their approach of attempting to simulate history, instead of just shitty arcady
>NOOOOO YOU CANT HAVE FUN IN A VIDEO GAME WE HAVE TO SIMULATE LE ECONOMY AND WASTE ALL YOUR TIME IN MENUS

>>725354023
>normies on /v/
Get off my board

>>725352521
John Universalis

What's the best way to learn this game?

I feel like the only people who stream or make youtube videos of it are turboautists who are either extremely unappealing to listen to, or expect you to be <80IQ retard and need everything going over like 4 times.

>>725354195
You'r enot Wasting time in menus You're playing the game If you don't like the UI that's a Different Qualm

>>725354447
Just Suck it up and Listen

>>725352618
This is one this that is for sure. I'm quietly optimistic on it anyway, having a great game as Milan

>>725354447
Unironically just playing the game and reading every tooltip. Also using the integrated Europedia in the game

>>725354591
The updates should make it a solid game, as long as they don't go full retarded and start to change on working mechanics for the worse and start to introduce mechanics that no one asked for

>>725355016
Surely they won't pull another Stellaris where the game comes out and is pretty good, and in the years following they just kinda move things around and make some things worse and add pointless bullshit?

>>725355016
honestly I'm really scared they will cater back to missionfags or generally try to make everything simpler because boohoo it's too complicated
well at least there is a gamerule to remove all missions

>>725354023
Autistic whales buy more DLC

>>725352059 (OP)
Are the brainlets the people not wanting to promote this cretin filled company?

>>725354447
Check out Etalyx, the least insufferable cunt I could find streaming this
Most are either turboautists, insufferable or both

>>725355224
Seething

can it be pirated?

>>725352059 (OP)
nortubel on eu5 when

AI seems to have some problems with using ships
>pope calls crusade on some anatolian minor
>literally just a matter of going there and sieging one fort without any opposition
>AI just hangs out in europe and watches how warscore tickles down until white peace is called
I couldn't myself do that as I don't get how food supply works to feed my troops there heh

>>725353607
you have to wait for peasants to promote to work in buildings. increasing literacy speeds this up.

>>725354023
>can't understand
skill issue on your part.
anyone (reasonably human) can understand anything given enough effort.

>>725355469
lol

>>725352059 (OP)
Why do the achievement icons have a beaver in them? Is it a mascot?

>>725352059 (OP)
Filtered the AI too since they don't seem to do anything

If you think the game is pretty good now as it is what would you think of the idea of mainly improving the ai so it keeps being challenging?
To me it sounds like steep learning curve and takes a long time to play through a game but once you've figured that out the game is going to be ass without competent ai to challenge you. Something like being the clear winner in the first 100 years but there's 400 more to go does not sound great.

>>725356328
Yeah, it's way too easy to goombastomp everyone around you with no consequences. Antagonism needs to be way harsher and AI should aggressively coalition more.

>>725353607
Click on that place and on the menu that opens you see the groups of people you have there. Then when you hover over the group at the bottom, farmers or whatever (assuming you don't have slaves), it tells you how many of them rank up each month. When you hover over that number in the nested tooltip, it tells you exactly how many of them rank up in each group

>>725355350
nta, but peasants need to be literate to become sheep farmers? That's not what I heard about ye olden times sheep farmer peasants.

>>725352059 (OP)
Why should I buy it now when the main character DLC is going release in the first semester of next year?

>>725356503
but it does?
>take 2 and half a province as milan
>get coalition attacked in next few months

>>725357032
main character is (your) country

>>725357046
Sounds like a you problem, I ate up over half of Aragon in a single war as Castile and the only one to join a coalition against me was Aragon.

Just how much is playing tall better than wide?
I play as the tutons and all that conquered backwards lithuania is basically useless unless I invest a shitload. But Danzig just prints money.

>>725357097
early game wide doesn't work because of proximity and control

>>725356870
peasants in game are a resource that gets turned into a productive worker through buildings. your not supposed to think too hard about it.

>>725357046
Depends on the country you're playing I guess. In my hungary playthrough I got to carve up bulgaria, wallachia, and serbia with impunity and none of the coalitions ever declared on me.

>>725357032
Forgot the pic. Like some arab slave dying of thirst on a plantation in Cappadocia during the 10th century.

woke garbage

>>725356870
No, they don't need to be literate to become sheep farmers. Literacy is just one of the things that affect pop promotion speed for peasants.

You can also go for free subjects, instead of serfdom, to have higher pop promotion speed. You can have a cabinet member work on pop promotions, IIRC. There are also buildings that affect pop promotion speed in a location.

>>725357739
High stability also gives +100% to pop promotion speed

>>725352059 (OP)
>best core so far
>but the ai is so dogshit it evens out
fucking paradox man

>>725357825
Forgot to mention that. That's one of the reasons you want to constantly pump stability.

>>725357097
It's a matter of opportunity cost. I would never integrate territory myself, using a cabinet action. Instead, just conquer territory and create a vassal/fiefdom from there. Then later on, annex it. It is free cores and you actually get cashflow from that territory, when it is a vassal, since the vassal has control there. Integrating a vassal also only requires diplomats, which you can generate using money. Cabinet members are too important to utilize for integrating provinces, at least in the early game.

>>725352059 (OP)
Can I create a socialist, communist, or anarchist utopia?

I'm Holland and on my culture overview I also see 4% British for some reason. When I hover over it it tells me they all are in Middlesex which is a province in London. So why does it appear in my tab? I could even accept their culture.
Only thing I could think of is that I have a trading post there, but I also have multiple other ones in other countries and don't see their cultures in my tab. Is this a bug?

>>725357097
The only type of wide till mid game is sniping all the high value rgos and any market center
Ive stretched from the baltic to the nearly west china just to colonize snipe some gold and lead, didn't even integrate the provinces they aren't gonna give me any income so im just like not gonna do it

You know, for all the MEIOU aping that they've done, what kinda pisses me off is they did not include what's probably my favourite feature of 3.0 - the ability to independently create an institution
I have expanded, centralized, and reformed Cahokia into a monarchy - why do I need outside contact to come up with legalism, for example? Also iron working being locked behind feudalism is funny to me, but I get that it's for gameplay reasons

This doesn't feel that fresh after playing the prototype MEIOU for years beforehand

Still not really sure what the difference between fiefdom and vassals are.
I have two fiefdoms and one vassal now and I notice that the fiefdoms have my countrie's ruler as their ruler as well, while the vassal has the one person I sent them (one of my sons, I hope that was also a good idea).
Oh and I get a little prestige per month, but is that really all?

>>725360003
The main difference is fiefdoms have your ruler as their ruler, while vassals have a separate ruler. Vassals also get some institution growth IIRC. The main function with these is that the combined subject strength vs overlord is compared with fiefdoms and vassals separately, so having both allows you to invest less in diplomacy, because the subjects will be more loyal, due to being "divided".

>>725359696
Because savages have no concept of legalism

Reply ending in 5 chooses the nation for my first game

Remember to assign members of your dynasty for your council if you can since that gets you more crown control, just as if you assign members of nobility the nobles get more control. I just recently learned this

>>725360816
Portugal

>>725361025
portgual it is
nice choice

apparently bunch of factories don't employ people because ????
there are 1000 unemployed neet burghers who refuse to get a job or something, I don't get it

>>725352658
Trash every fort you start with. Losing your levies in the early years mean you've simply lost, forts are useless until regulars become the mainstay of your army.
It's basically impossible to play Teutons while keeping them.

>>725361321
They also give nobles more power

>>725354447
I can't even find normal streams or videos to learn from it's all hour long zoomer meme videos. Who is watching this shit?

>>725361249
nvm now I get it

MY ARMIES ARE WARPING FUCKING ALL AROUND WHERE'S THE FIX???

>>725361549
What was it?

>>725362007
factories that don't turn profit and are not subsidied just fire people and stop working

>>725362160
Eu5 would really benefit from handheld tutorial like in ck2

do I need artists when I'm just building economy?

How do I make an integrated province a core province? According to the wiki you need to have 50% or more population of primary and accepted cultures, but I have that and they are still just "integrated"

>>725352059 (OP)
All the games filter me for a long time they're hard to get into

>>725360003
Dunno honestly but you should split your subjects evenly into vassals or fiefdoms because the stacking penalty for having too many subjects is different for each type. Seems like a oversight to me; it's so silly that I can just create subjects willy-nilly and get away with it. I think at one point I had like 30 subjects and it's hardly an issue, plus they do all the dirty work for you.

>>725362160
What do you do in this situation? Just increase the output of the raw material needed to bring down its price? Are there any ways to increase the demand for specific goods that aren't used to make anything else?

How do you attract institutions? Playing as spain and somehow portugal and tiny ass navarre have professional armies in all of their locations while my entire country is dark.

So my allies can just refuse to join my defensive wars? So what's the fucking point of alliances then

If I've played a tonne of EU4 and a good amount of CK3, will I be alright just jumping in? Similar anons what were your experiences?
Everything I'm seeing on LegendOfTotalWarHereAndToday looks familiar enough, just a case of getting used to the UI

>>725363024
>If I've played a tonne of EU4 and a good amount of CK3, will I be alright just jumping in?
No, the game differs a lot. I mean you can still try, but it will take a lot of pausing and reading, might as well start with the tutorial instead.

>>725363024
actually it's completely different, economy and production is the focus, at least early game while eu 4 and ck3 are just map painters

>>725363091
>>725363095
ok thanks xoxo

>Get +70% crown power through laws and values
>Actual crown power is still only like 28%

What is this shit?

>>725362279
Tutorials are a scam. If you like the game you'll figure it out anyway, and if you don't like the game the tutorial won't change your mind.

>>725363548
bait or genuinely?

>>725362369
Art helps with prestige in some way I haven't fully figured out yet.

>>725360621
But I am an Aryan Volksgeist that has been uplifting them for 300 hundred years, why do I have to wait for some swarthoid spaniards to arrive for literally everything institution-related?

How do I form Persia? I've formed Gilan but now there are two gay-ass hordes with 12 vassals all around me and no institutions anywhere.

[Buy a fucking ad]

>>725363604
It looks like every piece of art in you're cunt gives a teeny tiny bit of ticking prestige, scaling with quality, like +0.02 at 20-30 ~masterwork pieces tiny

>>725364025
Does art only happen when you commission something, or do they also create stuff simply by being in your country?

is there a way to see the food capacity of enemy armies? I thought if I cut off the tunesian army they'd start getting attritioned hard due to no supplies, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything at all

>>725364097
I think you just need to get an artist in your court, either through parliament or paying money, and then they do their own thing? I remember running noble arts through parliament a bunch of times because there was nothing better to do, and later got events that handed me an art piece

Is there any easy way to find the best artists in the world to invite?
Only method I can find is under diplo actions, and checking every single country to one at a time to see their skill level.

>>725364486
no because they cheat it

>>725352059 (OP)
>download it
>couldnt be bothered
>uninstall
im too old

>>725363565
>engine manuals are a scam
>you'll figure out how a jet engine works if you like it
K, bitch nigga

>there was already a thread
Oh well >>725364654

>my 73 year old king and 64 year old queen had a daughter
wat

>>725355350
>>725356504
Thanks anons. There are 7000 farmers there. They still wont join. I also built a cloth maker there and it filled up instantly with workers. Was it wrong to build a sheep farm there? Maybe i didn't need to do that in order to utilize the wool that is there?

>>725365397
just say no lmao

>>725365676
I thought i needed to put a sheep farm there to farm the sheep but it seems like i can just slap down a building that uses wool and it will get the wool automatically from that land without having to get it from the sheep farm that get it from the land?

>>725365791
Slav things

Gonna play Aragon.

>>725366045
>>725365676
Expand your RGOs to lower the price of goods for your factories and then sell the surplus. Weavers/whatever using wool will only fill up if that factory is profitable, which it should be unless you're picking unprofitable factories and why do that when the game tells you which building is most profitable?

Is the AI completely unfinished or something? My allies and vassals just stand around doing fuck all, never sail anywhere, it's ridiculous

>>725365676
It's probably unprofitable so people won't work there unless you subsidise it. Also yes, you don't need sheep farms anyway, just increase wool RGOs where they exist naturally, I think the farm buildings are for if you don't have those/are already capped out, or possibly they eventually get more productive with a bunch of techs and shit applying to them.

>>725352521
Filtered.

Japan is just supposed to be completely unplayable right

>>725366327
Hahahaaaaa.... Yes....

>>725366327
It's a Paradox game, of course the AI is incapable of playing it

>>725366182
>>725366351
Okay i get it. Thanks!

>>725366327
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.
In the same game I've seen Tunis declare war in Italy multiple times only to park their levies in their capital and do nothing for a decade but I've also seen them declare on Serbia and actually land there and siege it down.

>>725366550
CK3 does fine though?

>>725366327
You can set objectives for them and adjust vassal behavior.... somewhere

>>725366781
Tunis took Sicily in one of my games.

>>725367262
I know you can set their behavior in the diplomacy->subjects tab, but where do you set their goal?

Honestly the UI is super unintuitive and way too nested. Important shit is hidden away too much

>Have to personally manage food production
>For some reason it’s my job to make sure food is reaching the population
>Have to personally manage the guilds to make sure they are profitable
>Have to check some stupid spreadsheet to make sure random peasants have whatever stupid consumer goods they crave at the moment
>all in the year 1337
Say what you want about realism or complexity or whatever, but it’s just such an unkingly burden and ruins my immersion. Tedious shit like feeding the peasantry should be handled by some magistrate or just ignored completely, like it was in real life. I just want to annex provinces and colonize the new world, how dare they waste my royal time with these superficialities.

Anyone know if average literacy is weighted by the pop's class somehow?
If it isn't, then peasant/labourer/whatever literacy must be hundreds of times better than the others, right? That doesn't seem right given I'm often given pretty equal choices between classes that have massive number differences, but if it is I can't see it saying so anywhere.

Hyperborea mod when?

>>725367483
>let them eat cake
Bro your malcontented populous????

>>725367483
My humblest apologies, your highness. We of course set up delegation for all of those tasks, but in our foolishness we forgot to personally guide your royal finger over to the automation button.
Perhaps your excellency would be better served watching the entertainers perform the tasks of government instead?

>>725367483
>just ignored completely, like it was in real life.
I get that its annoying in a game, but lol at this sentence. keeping the lower classes fed was the most important thing if you dont want massive unrest. there was a reason the romans handed bread out for free

Starting moves for Sweden?

>>725365454
Bro, your Bible studies?

>>725366856
No it doesn't, CK3 is the easiest game to snowball, even easier than HOI4

why all loading screen quotes are so rude?

>>725368309
Sure you can snowball, but that wasn't my point. At least the AI participates in battles and shows up and fight, while in EU5 they just fucking stand around like morons

>>725368226
Which set is this?

>>725352059 (OP)
I'll probably pirate it

>>725368226
Instead of pumping one iron or copper RGO to max try to make them all equally because it takes 15 years anyway to fill one to full so its best to do gradually after, you got them to max RGO build roads to those places.
Pick Quality reform to get 5% and research Drill armies for an other easy 5% disciplinity.

Do the parliment Agendas ever change? I've had the same ones for like 2 or 3 parliment sessions, but I don't want to grant them.

>>725367403
Mil tab, I think you can set war objectives there, unless it's just a meta button for assigning missions to your armies like you can for navies - I have not actually clicked it yet.

>>725368226
invent the puffy vulva, i mean purchase volvos

>>725368068
Finally, the respect I deserve

>>725369109
They change each legislative session, not like EU4 where they change with monthly tic. You have a ton of support, why not get a law change or taxes while you're at it? The 7 stab isn't a dealbreaker is it?

>>725352059 (OP)
>>filters brainlets
Get some self respect
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1762702407085909.webm

are you fortmaxxed /v/?

>>725369826
*dies to maintenance costs*

How do you get into map games, anons?
I tried playing Crusader Kings 2 when it was free on Steam for a weekend and got bored very quickly. HOI4 also looks boring simply because I am tired of WW2 as a setting/historical period.
I do like the time period EU5 takes place in but I am worried I might be wasting my time even pirating. So whats the appeal? How do you enjoy these games? Am I simply a brainlet?
Lust provoking image unrelated.

>>725370152
>I might be wasting my time even pirating.
Its 15 gb mate just pirate and try it out

>>725369764
>They change each legislative session
That's just the thing - they don't. Unless "legislative session" is something different than the parliment session you call upon evey few years.
>>725369764
>why not get a law change or taxes while you're at it? The 7 stab isn't a dealbreaker
This time I wanted the integration bonus, but my point is that eventually I'll definitely want to change the laws or somesuch, but if the agendas never change, I'll basically be forced to take a stability hit every time.

>>725369826
>retard pollack goosing his nobility estates for short term security and long term sclerotic state institutions
pottery

>>725358841
This wasn't bait btw. Is this possible in the game?

>>725369826
there is no country that is more fortmaxxed than the teutonics, and look where that took them

>>725370152
>How do you get into map games
I was staying up really late watching al jazeera in 2010 and realized I wanted to play a 19th century game and it turned out vicky2 had just come out, now I have over 10k hours in just hoi/eu 4s.

>Two Sicilies formed

Yep, it's gaming time

>filters brainlets
But that is the target audience of paradox products since like Crusader Kings 2.

>>725368220
I think his point is that the king delegated people to keep the masses fed, instead of having to to spend sleepless nights over it himself. Not the Idea that not feeding the masses is a great strategy for the ruling class if they want to keep their heads on their shoulders.

>>725370729
Then you have a bug, they always change for me. Even if they don't, the only ones that aren't worth clicking are the policy changes, and even then some are good to take.
>if the agendas never change, I'll basically be forced to take a stability hit
yeah that's a problem but as long as you're not granting policies to the nobility they're going to cost to revoke bad policies is about the same as the 7 stab hit

>>725370739
There are estates, and you can give them rights, so you can RP that as an utopia, but no, the words utopia, socialist or communist are not explicitly mentioned.

>>725370152
Honestly you just need to have a specific type of Autism to enjoy them alongside being a history nerd. Pirate the game and try it (Be aware it can take actual days of time spent before you "get" it.) Though don't be ashamed if you can't get get the appeal. Not everyone can be a supreme spreadsheet gamer specimen like Paradox fags.
Lust provoking image in return.

>>725371132
Thanks anon.

>Mix Eu3 with 4 and take traits from both
>Add Vicky pop autism and goods
>Add a dash of the CK character system
I enjoy. Well done Paradox, you did well.

so if I'm playing in italy and castille beat me to the azores/canaries, am I just fucked out of colonization?

>Europa Universalis
>Crusader Kings
>Hearts of Iron
>Victoria 3
>Total War
Anon, how come everyone I know who plays a combo of these game is politically a complete nazi? Not judging or anything, this isn't about how valid it is to have fascist ideology, but I just have never seen a hardcore lefty or even just a bleeding heart liberal who's deep into these games.Do fascist just have the kind of autism that makes them go: "If Hitler just managed his supply lines better, he could have totally taken russia, here let me sim it" while lefties only have the autism that makes them go: "That's not real communism, real communism is when it works how I want it to work" on online forums?

>>725370281
>>725370905
>>725371203
What I'm seeing is that you need to be at a certain level of autistic, but I'm not entirely sure if I am.
I guess I'll try it out, give a week of playing before deciding to uninstall rather than the 4 hours I tried with CK2. Wish me luck anons.

>>725369806
To be honest, he's not wrong, just look at all those retards admiring the new GTA's little details that add zero fun to the experience like if they would make the game instantly be fun or something.

>>725371507
my guess is that you only know nazis

>>725371546
I just like looking at maps bro.

Are roads ever worth it? In fact, in general how do I increase control to further away provinces?

>>725371478
No, not really. It's slow enough at the start they won't have done much and you need a lot of techs from New World institution to make very fast progress. Castille will get that institution before you but it spreads in high dev ports so it won't take as long to get as others.

As CHEATING WITH GOLD Portugal I made it down to cabo verde before Age of Discovery, so you'll be just fine getting in on the ground floor in the west indies.

This feels like playing VC3. If i want to play VC3 then i play VC3 not EU5. Fuck John.

>>725371938
That's literally the purpose of roads.

>>725371938
Yes, very, anything that reduces proximity cost is good to build. Bailiff buildings are great for remote locations with low control. You should also spam Bridges where you can.

>>725372092
This feels like VC3 if Johan had made it instead of retard "I hope you like expanding Tool factories and associated RGOs" Wiz.

>>725371938
if you're conquering new provinces, vassalmaxx and then diplo annex them later. they'll integrate and then develop it for you, freeing up a cabinet slot and since their capital is right there they'll have full control and give you more in income than you would directly controlling it. vassals feel too loyal at the moment in my opinion.

>Wanna play Sweden
>They are dreadfully slow
This is horrible.

>>725353415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH0WYxJDwms

I wonder if this is finally the grand strategy that lets me get into them. I tried in the past with Total War Warhammer. I thought "GS but make it fantasy" would be just right for a fucking brainlet like me, but I don't think I even played an hour.

>>725372601
There's a popular eu4 mod that would be right up your alley. Anberr or something, I've never touched it.

>>725363024
completely different game

>first GSG
>no idea wtf I'm doing
>having a ton of fun with it

I entered my first war last night and managed to take most of Granada. Once my country recovers a bit I'm going to take the rest. I've been watching guides here and there but I'm not going to commit 2 hours to watch a single guide, I'll watch it in chunks.

>>725371938
The whole point of roads is to get control over territories further away. For control, look at proximity cost. Proximity increases your maximum control over a location. Proximity cost reductions allow your proximity to travel further. Also note that proximity cost reductions are additive with each other, meaning they have increasing marginal utility. You push for centralization, get itenerant court, then all other proximity cost reductions. Early game, things like temples give max control in locations.

Where the hell do I filter by goods needed?
I have unprofitable tanners and leather guilds, and I want to make them more profitable by building buildings that require leather input.
BUT I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME FIND THE FUCKING FILTER THAT FILTERS FOR THE INPUT

What uses LEATHER??

>>725363024
It's completely different, but you can just jump in anyway, tutorials are for pussies. Just fuck up and restart in the first year a couple of times and then you're golden.

>>725364734
>im too old

This is the perfect game for someone who is old.

>>725364734
Sounds like a too young issue.

What the fuck, why is auto-balance putting all my heavy cavalry in reserves with the peasant levies in front?
Don't tell me I'm going to have to manually sort out this formation every time.

>>725373051
close the tanneries outside your capital and the problem will mostly solve itself. I think ships use them, but there's really nothing I can think of that *needs* leather super badly early on.

Getting close to ending this shit

>>725353932
An actual grand strategy

>>725373472
probably to fill frontage

>>725373813
How's the nippon experience compared to something like Nobunaga's ambition?

>>725353932
>so a playthrough can easily be 200+ hours

That's a good thing.

>>725373813
>I want to play late medieval japan
>NO NOT WITH SENGOKU JIDAI AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

>>725353543
it's way more intricate than every paradox game since maybe vic2 and it might beat vic2 too, not sure yet
>>725354153
it plays nothing like CK3, i don't get why do people keep making this comparison
is it the levies?

>>725374137
levies and characters

When are they gonna make a GSG that lets you start from like the1300s and go all the way past the 2000s. Every one of these games end at some dumbass year. I want to see the country I took from nothing and watch them launch their first rocket.

>4x

It's not the same.

>>725354153
The difference in complexity between CK3 and EU4 is enormous, EU5 is only similiar to EU4+M&T and in some ways to Vicky 2 and 3

What speed does /v/ play with? So far I've played at speed 2

>>725374256
It will never work, to make an entire playthrough feel interesting they would need to slow the game down even more and make blobbing extremely difficult, even in Vicky 3 with its short timeline its kinda dumb to play as strong nations from the start since snowballing is too easy.

Wasn't there an option to transfer occupied provinces to an ally? I swear I did that before, but now I don't see the option.

>>725352059 (OP)
>1 man county
Good job johan

should I?
sounds good but that 50% power scares me

>>725374390
Shit dude are you even past the 1st age?
4 idle, 3 war, 2 for clusterfuck wars with tons of enemies to chase down

>>725374421
Don't doubt the man.
He can lift his country to rule Ireland.

>>725374451
Just hit the Renaissance age after raping France in the first scuffle of the hundred years war!

>>725373893
Absolutely boring start because you're uber rich and got no threat around but then 1400 hits and theres a random chance japan explodes into sengoku border gore. The actual sengoku jidai part is rough though because you get gutted hard and you can't be too aggressive as the shogunate because 90% of your wars will cost a decent amount of stability. Event wise, its kinda meh since no historical stuff like Nobunaga and no tanegashima guns after the christians arrive which was kinda weird.

>>725374090
Not complaining it was a nice change of pace after the borefest that is heian Japan

>>725374448
Are commoners powerful in your country? For me they're still weak as hell, so I did add that. Only Nobles are influencial, and I can't even do shit about it, because revoking rights costs like 150 stability.

>>725374390
Speed 5, just pause nigga.
>>725374448
yes absolutely, the peasants have shit for power anyway so 50% does nothing for them (do not grand nobles anything that increases their power)

Why am I able to explore regions near Spain but not near England, playing as Netherlands? I even conquered and cored Cornwall.

>1400 comes around
>AI suddenly starts doing things
Why start the game so early if nothing happens?

Is it better to make countries into fiefdoms or vassals?

what is that? it's ravaging the balkans

Does a fishing village work as a port for trade/proximity?

>>725374610
You need an age of exploration tech to explore ocean tiles. They changed this in development because it was too easy to colonize early otherwise. You can go all the way around Africa though! South Africa is FUCKING EMPTY which makes it primo real estate. When I settled the Canaries half the pops were tribal, and you need to settle and convert them or you'll have problems and wasted pops.

>>725374776
nvm i'm dumb

>>725374798
No, I don't think so. I tried building one in the Azores and it didn't do anything except take up pops.

>>725374861
Found it just after I posted it.

I give up. Persia is impossible starting as an OPM in the region. Even with allies, and even with 9 provinces, the hordes just DOW me and kill my 2200 levvies with their 400 horses.

>integrate vassal
>at 92% it has a rebellion
>can't help at all for some reason because its your vassal and you're currently integrating it
>its army are to small to occupy rebel lands
>stuck for 10 years now
Thanks paradox, great design here

Are heir stats just completely random? My regent married some average guy, and I gave the resulting kid an average education, and he grew up to have 100 in both Diplo and Military.

Court languages are... something.

Can you research simultaneously stuff from different ages, or do you have to wait for shit from a previous age to finish before you can jump to research in the newer one?

>>725375259
historically accurate!

Why they don't make speed 6?

>>725375809
You unlock research based on your institutions, so finish up old techs while waiting for the stab penalty to come down on new institutions.

as the years advance, i seem to have changed from a pruissiaboo to a ouiaboo. turns out france is incrediably based.

I don't know what to build.

Tech tree needs to be massively condensed, this shit is a nightmare of scrolling and panning.

>>725367483
Then why don't you automate it away

>>725377186
1/1 buildings, marketplaces and RGOs

>>725376609
yep
growing up is realizing that germans and anglos are the origin of every evil in the world... in uh EU5 of course haha

>>725375676
how do you play wallachia
i keep getting declared on by either hungary or bulgaria (usually both) within the first decade and can't do shit about it since they both have bigger armies
serbia can usually help fight off bulgaria but not hungary
do you ally the bulgars?
i've figured out that you can day 1 create a marketplace in targoviste and start printing money but honestly it all seems kinda moot in the face of getting spitroasted in 1340 (i don't really know how to develop either tho)

Wow I just found out how you can fabricate casus belli with parliament... I thought you'd always have to do a spy network on your rival and then do humiliation. Meaning I also thought you could only wage war with rivals, unless you meet those other very specific casus belli requirements

>Automates the entire game for you
>"filters brainlets"

>>725375676
They put "Lechitic" as a single group but split Ruthenian and Russian? Okay.

>>725370736
is that how the hre actually splintered in real life?

Can you seriously not permanently turn off some notifications? For example, I seriously don't give a fuck if an RGO or building lacks pops because they'll promote to fill it eventually.

>>725377902
How do you do it? Or more like how do you do it "right"? You call the parliament and then just ask for a claim as an extra thing and tank the stab hit if the options to buy support are bad?

So far I've just been calling the parliament because I have to, and have taken the options that are somewhat guaranteed to pass.

>Ally Teutonic Union
>Declare war on Lithuania
>Teutonic Order has 200 units
WTF they cant raise levies or something?

>>725378017
>automate everything
>play on max speed
>refuse to interact with anything becasue it's new and scary
>leave bad review on steam saying the game is boring and there's no replayability

>>725362371
Does anybody know?

>>725378147
>You call the parliament and then just ask for a claim as an extra thing and tank the stab hit if the options to buy support are bad?
I'm doing it for the first time now but this is how it seems to me.
For the first like 10 parliaments I didn't even know that you could do stuff for your people to buy their support, so it always just failed and I lost stability lmao

>>725352059 (OP)
does it filter brown people too?

>>725377754
I ally Serbia and Bulgaria at the start of the game.
Then I cry in the corner for the rest of the game because I can't expand.
At the moment I'm allied with Kyiv, Hungary and Bulgaria. I'm just standing there. Menacingly. I even disbanded my standing army.

>>725378734
Yeah, I've just been playing my "I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing" learning game as the Ottomans. You have some unique mechanics to get CBs, so I haven't had to get any the normal way(s), but I'll start needing some CBs once this situation that gives you all this stuff ends later.

>>725362371
Can you use your cabinett to integrate them again?

>>725378551
Same religion? My playing as Novgorod and they all started coring when I converted and assimilated the provinces.

mechanics are solid but there's so much shit that wasn't play tested or the devs didn't give a fuck about
then theres also loads of minor things like welsh culture disappeared by 1400 and greek provinces being 100% french

Have successfully won the claim of throne war against Portugal as Castille. It's all coming together!

>>725378551
it's dependant on your pops being accepted culture, you either accept the culture or do pop assimilation, which changes the pops to your primary culture

once it reaches a certain % it automatically creates a core

Who thought that large menus with tiny hidden buttons was a great idea?

>>725378912
Nope
>>725378928
Yes, they are orthodox albanians and I have albanians as a tolerated culture. Maybe it's because they don't like the host nation? They have a negative opinion about Serbia

>>725378737
Sadly, no.
t. brown player

the game really feels like a cookie clicker once it starts going

>can't simply press a button to mass upgrade buildings
>can't easily create army templates or navies and simply let the game create the units in an available province
>exploration and colonies menus you have to go 1 by 1, even if you automate it, it's too slow

and hundreds of more examples, the game UI is completely terrible

>>725379765
>>can't simply press a button to mass upgrade buildings
Shift and Control click.

>>725379713
why are you brown?

>>725379561
For me they also just became a core at some point. Not sure what I did

>>725374390
5 normally and sometimes 4 when at war.

>>725379561
Maybe they need to be accepted culture rather than tolerated?

>>725375676
Have you not taken even a single location the whole game or something? The fuck?
...Are you having fun?

>>725352059 (OP)
Buy an ad

>>725379092
Did you just wage a normal war?

>>725381582
>talking about a vidya game on a place designed for vidya games.

i build roads and it only increased control by 1% in 10 years
how do i get control bros?

>>725381625
No, I got the claim by the game. Looked at the ruler of Portugal and there was some French lady there, so I gave her the taste of Iberian hospitality.

>>725352658
>set up imports for goods you can't produce in your market, automate whatever trade cap you have left
>build up RGOs of food your lacking till you gave a surplus
>build up construction goods till you have a surplus
>all burger buildings should be in your capital initially
>crown power is king, grab it whenever you can
>if you've got nothing else for them to do have cabinet members improve stability and control
>excess money should be used on the most profitably RGOs whenever they're off labourer deficit
>get books, paper and dyes up for libraries

I feel like I'm going to really get mad at how hard it is to understand who's actually going to join wars against you.

>Declare on Sicily over one province in Greece
>It'd be just them and a three of their shitty Greek vassals, according to the war declaration screen
>2 months into the war
>Realize I'm fighting Hungary
>A few more weeks in
>Serbia, Wallachia have also joined
>They now actually have land access so this turns into an actual war
I still won because >Ottomans.

But one of these days I'm going to lose a save because the game conveniently forgets to mention that the random OPM is allied to France, and I'm going to be mad. Is the game seriously not displaying this shit because Alliances and Defensive Leagues are usually just them "possibly" joining? Even though in practice it works the exact same way as in EUIV?

>>725378147
Wait for a mod to let you turn them off. In other games you can just shift+RMB them and turn them off but not here for some bizarre fucking reason.

>>725382117
oh almost forgot, auto taxes is a bit of a noob trap as it keeps estates at ~50% happiness, once you economy is up drop them so you can get the benefits each give

>>725381889
Apparently roads don't raise proximity, it just affects proximity "cost" whatever the fuck that means

>>725381889
It raises fairly quickly... The provinces I recently took and am integrating are already at 18 from 0. Antwerpen below it I took in a previous war (5 years) and it's at 78. Is your isssue control or max control? What's your max control and what lowers it in your locations?

>>725379561
Needs to be accepted culture. Then wait a month to pass and it'll become your core.

>>725381889
fort, temples and other things

What should I be doing as the holy roman emperor?
I randomly got elected.

>>725382382
Be above grammar.

>>725382283
Yeah that's what I mean. I've played these games before.

There's some other little things like this too that are either intuitive in how they work now, or just a step backwards QoL-wise because they're entirely removed. Like is there no music player either? What, why? All their other games have it.

>>725382382
dismantle that shithole

>>725382382
abuse its power for you own gain or play world (germany) police

>>725382325
They do raise proximity. You get a proximity reduction of 40 when passing through one location to another, but if there is a road, it is reduced (by 25 - to 15 in my case). So where you'd have proximity of 60 without road, you'd have 85 with it (not counting modifiers...). Just make sure there's sense in building the road because many locations are reached by sea easier than even if you do build a road. You can check how a location is reached by clicking on it while in proximity map mode.

>>725382450
I can forgive music player if that means they fixed some game breaking bugs instead of developing it.

>>725382357
Ahh right, it was just tolerated, not "accepted"

This seems likes it would be comfy on the Deck but holy fuck no way that UI will be readable

>>725382450
The UI is just a complete mess right now, there are some good parts but for every good part there's 10 confusing or irritating ones that are objectively shit. We can only hope someone mods it into being decent I suppose.

I bet all the people bitching about the UI are brown ESLs.

>>725382768
I personally haven't really found many problems with UI. Things like being unable to hide alerts forever are definitely bad, of course...

>>725382813
STFU and go back to working on those bug fixes Johan.

>>725382758
Sit at the computer like a real man, handhelds are for children

>>725382691
yeah it's great

This game is not that complicated.
It just has an extremely shitty UI and no proper tutorial.
It is, how can I say it, less "linear" than EU IV.

>>725383016
>can't hold his computer like a handheld
manlet

>>725383147
why is she annoyed

Does the number of ships you have on a given tile dictate the speed/number of Sea Presence, or is it the same rate if there is a single ship?

>>725383446
>she

>>725352059 (OP)
Why does this image look suspiciously AI generated?

>>725383518
it says 'girl' in the image name

>>725383624
Anon...

Is there anything you can do to make Antagonism(/AE) tick down faster? In EUIV, you actually could manage it in many ways like
>Actually improving relations to above 0 (seems to be possible here too but you're gonna struggle to get it to even 0 with different religions in EUV)
>Improve relations %
>AE % reductions
So far I'm not finding too many ways to reduce how much antagonism you get, and I don't think there's improve relations % that would make it tick down faster. What can you do about it in EUV?

>>725383484
More ships = faster rising presence. It also raises faster if you're paying more for ships. A ship on one tile affects all other tiles in the zone. Like my stack gives me presence in all North Sea at the same time.

>>725383735
Improving relations directly lowers antagonism as far as I know.

Fucking Castile colonized the Azores by like 1360. I waited until I got my unique Portuguese tech to make exploring faster because 10 gold a month was too expensive for me early on.

>>725384014
huh okay, I thought I had to sit on each tile one after the other so I split my tiny navy lol. guess I gotta build more ships, just not sure if its worth it since they're galleys only so thats a kinda bad unit right? should I wait until I can build better ships?

>Use war, trade or diplomacy to satisfy your grandest ambitions and dominate five centuries of history
What 5 centuries? What time period is this?

>>725384062
They can afford it, but you can start immediately if you're willing to focus on it. It's actually really easy to afford if you can catch Castille in a war with Morocco and get Aragon/Navarre to help out. Just keep getting war reps and force them to take loans.

>>725353932
Thing is, after 50 years you're so far ahead of the AI that you can't possibly lose.
>They
you aight anon?

>>725384314
High middle ages through to the start of the victorian era.

>>725384314
I want to dominate more centuries of history. Let me give my toons advanced weaponry and spaceships

>>725384429
Please respect anon's pronouns.

>>725384303
click the bullseye target icon next to the fleet name

>>725384014
please tell me you're not supposed to be micro-ing all this shit

>>725384458
Damn I was hoping earlier, I want 0 to 1000

>>725384303
Galleys are okay. They are cheap so it more or less is the same.

>>725384648
Those are just buildings in progress. I did start them all myself, yes, but the UI for that is easy to use. Order by potential profit, click, click, click.

Is hiring regular troops worth it? You're paying a lot for like 100 troops or a single boat and then you have to pay maintenance I'm guessing
How the fuck do you maintain a fleet then

>encourage migration actually does something
I've been traumatized by Victoria 2's encourage immigration

>>725384650
Extended timeline mod will be out shortly, they've had prerelease builds to work on for a few months already.

>>725384885
By not being poor.

>>725352059 (OP)
You shitcunts are tempting me to actually pirate and check this game out at launch
The rule with paradox games since at least 2013 was to pretend a new paradox game didn't even fucking exist until a year after launch

>>725384885
Fleets pay for themselves in proximity cost reduction, armies are spendy and not really worth it until you have armories everywhere. Regulars don't have hugely better stats than their levied counterparts at the start either.

>>725384916
I grew my town from 20k to 30k with that in just like 5-10 years for the city upgrade. Magic.

>>725384916
lel, I just keep inviting spanish to my islands, culture conversion is pretty fast

>>725353235
>play as a costastal nation with your capital at the coast to spread control over the sea
wait how the hell would a bog standard Spanish empire work then?

>>725384980
I played CK2 at release and loved it, so my opinion probably isn't very meaningful for you, but apart from two pathetic crashes to desktop, EU5 has been working extremely well.

>>725378551
Just keep assimilating a bit longer, sometimes it seems to require slightly more than 50% for some reason. If the province is integrated and there's an accepted or primary culture above 50% though it should flip, those are the only requirements.
Also this may just be a tip for me, but double and triple check that you're not doing something wrong like a retard. Marwari and Mewari are not same thing apparently...

>>725385126
I think the colonies become different countries immediately so the proximity to capital mechanic is not even used.

>>725352059 (OP)
i simply refuse to play any paracuck games unless they released a few dlc's and iron out a few of their game breaking mods

culture conversion actually works kek

lol

How do integrate Norway as Sweden in PU?

>>725385395
its way too OP

>>725385395
>the entirety of the cornish people have been genocided by a unified netherlands in 1465
realistic worlds

>>725385570
The union is handled as an international organization in game, like papacy or HRE, so find it via diplomacy screen. Takes forever to annex a country. I had this since start of the game.

>>725385745
I left some as undesirables in zoos.

Is it me or the combat system is even worse?

>Ally AI has some retarded behaviour sometimes
>Castles take forever to take and attrition makes it not even worth it
>You have to redeploy the levies when you lose army in combat
>Every war is a cat and mouse game where you and the enemy AI run around trying to catch the smaller army

>>725384648
That’s just construction and it can be automated if you want to, which might not be a bad idea if you’re playing Ying or something and have thousands of regions.

>>725384962
>using automation

You're not playing the game.

>>725386145
>have war going on
>watch my troops go w/e tf they want despite giving them commands

Still 20 different types of mana and the entire game is just spending mana?

>>725386342
Anyone who doesn't at least partially automate trade is a total masochist. Are you checking that shit every month?

>>725386342
I'd love to see some poor soul try and do trading without automation kek.

>>725384980
The game has bugs, the AI is an adventure, and generally lacks flavor, but it’s also the only Paradox game to have more mechanics and depth than its predecessor at launch. This is already a much richer game than EU4.

>>725386392
Yeah that seems a bit clunky too, but maybe it's because they try to take the fastest route

>>725386441
It has no EU4 style mana. If Vicky 2 had mana according to you, then yes, there is.

>>725386464
>>725386493

The trade I understand but taxes seem easy enough to balance

>>725386441
the mana waiting game in eu4 has been replaced with see how long it takes before you get bored waiting game in eu5

>>725370152
>because I am tired of WW2 as a setting/historical period.
Get the Fallout or the Horse mod. Don't get Kaiserreich, that's a VN.

>>725386441
No

>>725386145
I find it way better than EUIV.
>Castles take forever to take and attrition makes it not even worth it
I don't understand how attrition works, honestly. But when you get artillery (regulars), it gets a lot faster. Longest siege I've had was ~700 days. Most are far shorter. Slightly better than EUIV so far.
>Every war is a cat and mouse game where you and the enemy AI run around trying to catch the smaller army
In this game, the AI actually engages you even if they can't win. It feels way more realistic (and more importantly >fun) exactly because it's NOT just a cat and mouse game and the AI trying to be as annoying as possible instead of actually trying to win.

The EUV AI either throws stacks at me and dies or tries to siege their own forts back. The EUIV AI just disappears to go on a world tour in order to materialize in the most annoying spot possible to siege down some shit after a 4 month march, and immediately flees if I approach, and only takes battles where he knows he will win. Basically EUV feels like fighting a war and EUIV feels like playing a game because nothing the AI does is in any way reasonable in terms of irl fighting.

>>725386529
The game actually launched in a fairly decent state so we shouldn't have to wait 5 years, 20 DLCs and 100+ mods to make it playable. I'm really excited to see how the game and mods progress.

>>725372092
It's like playing Vic3 except good and there is an actual payoff for making your numbers go up.

>>725386441
All games have abstraction, EU5 has significantly less than 4.

>>725386529
>>725385270
I'm honestly gobsmacked that /v/ and /vst/ are receiving a new paradox title somewhat positively for the first time in about a decade.
The fuck did Johan pull off here

>>725386580
So what is the problem with automating them?

>>725386836
>The fuck did Johan pull off here
He learned how to pay indians to market the game on forums

>>725386846
automating estate taxes is actually shit, they'll have a negative income for a large part of the game until you get ways to improve control

>>725352658
early game use vassals when possible in extremely low control regions, control is a huge deal in this game. Maritime presence is also very important the larger you get, assuming you have a large coast.

>>725386836
It what I said. Just make a game that has more mechanics than its predecessor when it comes out.
They failed to do this with EU4, HoI4, CK3, and Vicky 3. They succeeded with EU5. Everything else wrong with the game can be fixed relatively quickly and without needing to bolt on a zillion new gameplay systems.

What makes a location worth turning into a city?

>>725386887
Sorry doomsissy, you lost

>>725386145
>attrition makes it not even worth it
Bro your food? Don't tell me you're literally starving to death for every fort

>>725374408
Click on the province and then there is a little icon next to "X occupied the province".

>>725387130
I do it for towns that are out of building slots.

>>725386981
My burgers max tax is very low as you can see on that screen so they are getting a ton of money already.

Seriously though, how the FUCK do I get prestige? Decades of spending thousands on artists and amassing masterpieces has given me a grant total of... 0.02 prestige monthly. Winning an entire war and humiliating my rival, one of the great powers of the globe gives me... 5. Then it decays away before the truce is over.

>>725387079
I liked HoI4 more before they added all the shitty mechanics to it. Especially compliance (and by extension the espionage you need for it).

>>725387130
I did it for this.

>>725386981
>they'll have a negative income
So?
Does that even have any negative effect?
Their spending decisions are retarded anyway, whatever money they could have had is far better in the crown's pocket.

how is the combat

I I made the tiny island off the coast of Morocco an integrated territory because I didn't want a useless single province OPM, but why is my tax base 0? I have like 14k people here now.

>Vassal massive
>"The last army has been destroyed and the horde has collapsed!"
>Vassal lost

I need to stop playing this game in Ironman.

Coming from 4x it's so weird to be able to build multiple of the same building in a city.

>>725387648
why dont you hover over it so you can see why?

>>725387609
Ass, same as in previous EU games.

>win war
>take land next to one of your vassals
>want to give it to them
>find out you can just sell it
This feels like a cheat lmao. I just took all his money and he still has to pay me for cultivating it

>>725387597
loans are taken directly from estates, if all your estates are running a deficit and you run out of estate bucks, you will go bankrupt upon taking 1 loan
also while they do construct buildings for themselves, they do build useful shit as well that will improve their income. It's better than letting them be a black hole of money

>early 1400
>I'm expected to have a standing army of only 900 men
any reason to follow it?

>>725387760
Doesn't say anything useful. The RGO is fully employed

>>725352059 (OP)
Can i make Polish hungary country instead of lithuania?

>>725387842
I don't think so, no. Expectations are only there to give you an idea of how many you should have.

>King dies
>Son in his 30's takes the crown
>Get event were the nobility screws you over because he's the new king. Lose a shitton of stability and prestige and 50% noble satisfaction
>Get event where the king gets deposed, lose 20% control in every single province as the best option
>Start falling into debt
>New king, late 50's
>Instantly dies
>The sister of the first king takes control
>Late 50's, no kids
>Game throws me a revolt by the commoners as an event
>Both the nobles and the commoners are rising up

>>725387870
>The RGO is fully employed
no it isnt, you havent built anything there
you see where it says sugar 1/6? that's the RGO which you need to click and upgrade if you want those peasants to actually work it

>>725387842
It's just a suggestion and you can see how they calculate it in the tooltip. I don't think it affects anything. How the fuck are you fielding 12k regulars in 1400?

the morally better byzantium

>>725388049
It has 1000 employees and makes 1.19 sugars a month my dude

How fun is it to play Indians compared to Europeans?

>>725387896
in my game poland got PU with hungary under polish king and hungary changed flag because of it

>>725388282
>Indians
West or East?

>>725388282
mam... mam... do not redeem the institution... mam... MAAAAAMMMM.... DO NOT REDEEM THE INSTITUTION!!! WHY DID YOU REDEEEM IT MAM!!!! WHY

>>725388124
teuronic privilege that I can build in catholic countries with 100 opinion
this is going to get nerfed so hard

>>725386618
>Kaiserreich, that's a VN.
No, TNO is a VN, Kaiserreich is actually pretty good.

>>725387819
You wouldn't have needed a loan if the money was in your pocket instead of theirs though. It's the same money either way, right? Instead of taking the money as a loan you took it directly as your taxes, only difference is that you don't need to pay it back.
The only downside of balanced taxing them that I've seen is losing out on the bonuses for high estate happiness, but those seem pretty minor.

>>725388190
what market is the rgo in? I think rgo tax is tied to markets

>>725388438
Wait... So it just prints gold? And gives manpower too? Jesus, Paradox...

>>725388338
I don't know anything about Indians so I can't tell you the difference, I just thought I'd try playing as some Indian tribe since I hadn't done that in EU4.

>>725388470
It says Lisboa at the bottom here >>725387648
Besides I have some provinces that are in Castile's northern market and I still get taxes on those

>>725387648
>market access 0%
>control 15%
gee wilickers I wonder what the problem could be

>>725388742
What's the market access of the province? If it's near 0 you'll be getting nothing from it.

>>725388742
>>725388869
Actually I just checked all the way up the comment chain to your first image. Yep, it's 0 market access.

>>725388576
it's free real estate

>>725388767
>>725389034
Oh that's kinda dumb. So there is no reason to directly rule over even nearby colonies since even a couple sea tiles is 100% distance?

Is there a way to like view average market price of a good somehow? For example I see that my jewlerer's guild makes no profit. I would like to know whether the silver they use for 0.40 gold is simply overpriced, or maybe it's normal priced but the demand for the produce is simply too low.

>>725388338
Sorry, I just realized what you meant, I meant like cowboy indians.
I forgot that poo in loos exist for a moment and I thought you meant the difference between like west american indians and east american indians.

>>725388869
>>725389034
I'm actually not sure how to give them market access without letting them be a vassal with their own market.

>>725389098
Tech reduces maritime proximity I'm pretty sure, but I guess early on you should just make vassals.

>>725389183
Haven't played them, but I imagine they'll be particularly awful because you get the Great Pestilence, which can kill 90-95% of your pops. The Black Death already fucks you up in Europe, this is that on steroids.

Is there any way I can join the war the country in my union started? I want to help my bro but he didn't ask me

>>725354447
there is no "easy" way other than to play it and read everything. it's not meant to be easy to learn.

>>725389098
You don't need to control the market or have it be your capital market to tax them, they just need somewhere they can actually reach to sell their goods. I haven't messed with colonialism, but presumably you'll want to set up a market over there somewhere if one doesn't already exist.
>>725389213
You should just be able to make a market over there. One nation can have many markets, and if it's a big nation it'll need to. I don't see what difference it makes if it's a vassal or not?

does the game have those retarded nested tooltips from ck3? where you have to hover over something for a second for the first, useless tooltip to lock in and then hover over that for a second to get the actually useful info (and sometimes you would have to go even deeper into the layers of useless ones)
i hated that shit, it was quicker to scan the essay that stretched from top to bottom of the screen to get the info you needed

>>725384314
EU: The ascension of European supremacy
Victoria: European supremacy
hoi: marking the end of european supremacy

>>725354447
I watched this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdK2QfzcmtQ
He does explain a lot of non-obvious tricks in a rather straightforward fashion.

>>725389627
yes, if you want info for something you have to do that several times
and there is always something next to the cursor, even when you hover over the ocean, its fucking annoying

>>725389627
Yes, you have the same but now you can also lock them instantly with middle muse click. I personally still wait.

>>725389183
Pretty bad, you won't have much to do for the game and you're locked out of the majority of tech since you need institutions for them. Expect being unable to research anything for like 150 years.

>>725389479
Okay found it kinda. I just had to send a diplomat to gain favors. And after a month they redeemed them to get me to help em. Now get fucked for underestimating my lil bro!

>>725389517
Market access doesn't really do much without control to go with it, vassals don't have control problems.

FUCK
I gave Provance a lot of lands in the previous war, and now they have a higher great power rank and "threaten" my senior partner status
what do?

>>725352059 (OP)
Is it worth getting if you have EU4 with most of the DLC from sales? I always meant to put time into learning EU4 but it was so overwhelming with all the added content that I bounched off. If I get EU5 now it feels like I'll have wasted the money on 4 but on the other hands learning EU5 from the ground up might be easier. That said there will also be a shitton of DLC in the future which kind of puts me off too.

>>725388438
How hard is it to get a lot of nations to +100? What if another country conquers the province, what happens to the building?

>>725390347
eu4 won't teach you anything about eu5, totally different games
if you want eu4 then just buy basegame and pirate dlcs

>>725390347
EU4 can feel like a lot with the big ass mission trees but it's something you learn to appreciate as it can provide a lot of flavor. Otherwise the game is way less complex than EU5, they feel very different and even with me enjoying EU5 I think I'll be going back to EU4 every once in awhile, they provide something different for me.

Is there anything to do in EU that isn't blobbing now? Map painting without purpose is boring.

>>725390463
>>725390643
So they're different enough to both be worth having? This makes it a simpler a decision then. I always played EU4 during the winter since it's so cozy and that's when I stacked the DLC during sales too.

>>725390916
now you have pops to take care of

>>725390916
blobing your economy

>>725389436
>>725390024
There is zero reason to play them with institutions working the way they do and with great pestilence.
If you are going to play them, you'd be better off playing Aztec, Maya, or Inca and not one of the nomadic tribes. Even then, once Europeans arrive, it's going to be miserable unless you can find a way to avoid the disease.

>>725390916
Becoming rich through misfortune of others.

>>725390916
>Is there anything to do in this game except get stronger
....sir video games may not be the right thing for you.

>>725390916
Blobbing isn't that easy now and you have to integrate stuff slowly

Gonna get regiments in the next 5 years i guess.
Then i hopefully can get rag paper tech and get rich.
Is there nay Kalmar Union event in the game?

Trade offices are very good. I earn this much from swedish market essentially for free. The upkeep of offices is like 0.5.

>>725390947
>So they're different enough to both be worth having?
100%

>>725388438
Sheeit
Gonna try Knights with this

>>725390051
So after I helped him BTFO those retards, I just made peace with them and took nice lands for me. I don't get why I can just do that without my union guy being mad (which I at least didn't notice). Just join a war of someone else and ninja loot? Is it really that simple

>>725391794
Will they ask you to help if you do give them favors?

>>725390436
it's quite easy to appeal to the masses, and I increased sweden to +100 and started building in his regions as there's tons of them
if another country conquers it then it will remain, my only doubt is if they are not catholic

>>725392164
Yeah that's what I did. After we had some favors in our relationship he immediately asked me to join

sorry I might be dumb, but I'm not really sure I actually grasp the whole R.G.O. thing and market stuff- if I have a piece of land that produces say lumber, and I upgrade the R.G.O. but they've got really low control/proximity, do I still at least get the goods and just not the money, or do the goods just get to sit there doing nothing?

I ended up taking a good province like 7 provinces away from my captial. Am I fucked in ever getting any control over it? Should I just release it as a vassal?

>>725392237
Yeah but he had a PU with you. Will a random nation you decide to use to get into war ask for your help?

>>725392950
Depends on circumstances, would you like to post a screenshot?

>>725393183
Maybe if they have a very high opinion of you? I don't know, this was the first time I did it

>>725393273
The game takes like 5 minutes to boot so I grabbed an EU4 screenshot. Red is where my captial is, blue is where the good province is.

>>725380549
>S anish
>p
Never heard of these culture types

>>725393410
Access by sea is cheaper. Maybe if it's not that far from the sea you could have like 10 control in it.

>>725392691
Goods I believe are always in the market

I ma EXPLOOOOOOOOORING

48 coins peer month on those fuckers.

What's the best way to get a shitton of trade capacity?

>>725386337
>>725384821
>construction
why the fuck are GRAND strategy games still doing this fucking shit

>>725384650
>Damn I was hoping earlier
it's europa fucking universalis you retard, it's always had this date

>>725394445
>canada
imagine the smell

>>725394513
markets, fishing villages, any of the buildings which increase it

>>725392691
I think you still get the goods but the profit you get from them depends mostly on the control of the province

>>725381497
Thats a map of court languages you dyslexic faggot

>>725394445
Is it worh it to focus on diplomacy during age of discovery? I'm Holland and try to sell as much as possible, so I'm wondering if I should go administration focus for higher trade capacity, or diplomacy focus for better oversees trade. Also I have no idea what exploring even does for me

>>725394732
Makes sense, thanks

Is something weirdly bugged with vassals? Whenever war starts they all suddenly think they're more powerful than me and their loyalty goes to literally 0. Whenever we're at peace they're all fully loyal. And it happens pretty much the moment war starts, there's no losses or anything like that.

>>725391684
Even better, you can just beg nations for money. If they have enough in the treasury, which the Pope gets every month, he'll give you shit tons of money every time you get a diplomat which you can then turn into Order strongholds for passive income.
lol

>>725394827
depending on how many people there are you may want to found some towns near your capital so you can build marketplaces

Any MIEOU 3.0 niggers here? How does trad compare? I loved that long distance trade chains like the silk road organically formed in 3.0 and I can't play paraslop without it.

>>725394792
If you want colonies.

>>725395124
How to found towns/upgrade to cities?

>>725394746
Yeah and? Had he taken more land than what he had at game start his Wallachian would have been bigger.

>>725394792
I focused on diplomacy because I want to colonize and already am swimming in money anyway.

>>725395007
Weird, I never had this problem so far. How loyal are they towards you?

>>725395369
click this

>>725353996
>Building in a region with 0 control will give you nothing.
But I thought building wells would save Africa?

>>725390916
play Imperator.
>b-but it's also about blobbing!
Yeah but it doesn't try to hide it, so it makes it deep and interesting.

>>725395696
Had no idea that was a button.

>>725395719
It helps the pops, but you don't want those pops.

>>725395832
many such cases

I think the control mechanic needs some work
It's not like countries expanded at this time and had 0 control over stuff
the AI will never be able to do stuff like replicate the ottoman or russian empire because of it

towns need some sort of building that gives control to surrounding areas

>>725395885
Vassals and maritime stuff is pretty good at abstracting this I think.

>>725395284
>>725395564
I think I want to do colonies. I was also getting a good amount of money but right now my expenses are a little above income. Not sure what changed... I hope it will just fix itself

Replace Fromslop with Paraslop and add $500 DLC tip.

>>725396108
Other markets can supply manufactured goods too, you need cash crops.

>>725396183
EU5 has a dodge roll.

>>725395984
having navigable rivers would be a big plus too

>>725396345
Yeah but I think they give control/reduce proximity.

>>725396393
lux.....
AEEETERNNNAAAAAAAAAA.......

does the game allow you to perform missionary work outside of your own lands yet
and can you forcefully free slaves/serfs through casus belli or otherwise steal population
because all I want in life is to play a tall islamic republic and do a little global jihad without painting the map myself or with vassals

>>725396284
I did the parliament thing where you can take more taxes and damn I get so much more now. Gonna have to find a way to increase the max tax I can take as a decentralized country

>>725396901
From what I've seen so far I don't think you can do either.

>>725395654
They're various values, but the thing that changes every time is the strength comparison. I just had a chance to check it by ending a war. Before peacing out the "country strength vs overlord" value for loyalty was -115, now it's -46... It just swaps every time I'm at war, even if I don't raise levies or do anything.

>>725397091
You'll get more money by centralizing.

>>725397357
I guess there will never a strategy game that will allow me to play out the unholy abomination between the vatican, east india company, abolitionist uk and kemalist turkey that I dream of

>>725397518
I heard that but I already am decentralized. I thought if my people are happy I can tax them higher but for example my Burgerijs have currently a max satisfaction of 98%, but I can only tax them for like 15% cause of their might. It's ridiculous

>>725395654
>>725397452
Aaaand, I've just figured out why. The army size stat for all my vassals doubles whenever I'm at war. Pretty sure it is a bug and the game is double counting their levies when they're raised or something. On this image, the left is before white peacing, the right after.

>>725397987
Er, wait, other way around, left is when I'm at peace.

>>725397452
Raised vassal/fief levies gives them more strength in calculation. If you raise levvies too it should balance out if you are a big nation or even push them being more loyal so they can be annexed.

>>725398351
That doesn't makes sense. The army size value says it already includes levies when you hover over it, and checking the numbers it obviously does. Then when they raise them all it's also clearly doubled, I can see they don't have anywhere near as many men as listed.
Also my strength calculation doesn't seem to change whether my levies are raised or not, hence why I get fucked by it in the comparison. I'm 99% sure it's just a bug.

>>725397923
Yeah I'm slowly increasing my crown power right now. Baited everyone with giving them so many freedoms. Well now that you built my society you're getting fucked lmao

What are Age of Reformation Cavalry?

Wait if I let my soldiers stand around in my vassals territories during peace time, will they just eat away their food instead of mine? kek

>>725399154
Yes? They will eat their food before it gets sold to the market you hopefuly own+taxes

Why does my stupid retard grandson keep leaving the cabinet evey second? I get no notification about why did it happen, then the next month he appears as a possible courtier again. Except obviously each hire is a new flat payment.

i miss idea groups
i miss my divine espionage papal armies with siege ability out the fucking ass
there needs to be more personalization with our nation
all dlc bait i assume

>vassal has 80% loyalty
>event where he complains about me and wants to lead the union
guess I'll have a small civil war soon

>>725399713
No idea. My pu was stealing my ruler being general while they were at war as HRE Emperor.

>>725399537
Nah the owner is Flandern under France's wing. I'm close to his profit there though

>>725388438
Do those pay for themselves? You need diplo slots to get the right to even build those in the first place and there's upkeep for them right?

>>725400405
Saw florry building about 500 of them in bohemia and France. So, yes

>>725400595
I see so you can just get that privilege and then spam them in a couple nations, makes sense

>>725400595
that asshole has a knack for these kinds of exploits

Well guys it's been nice knowing you. France just declared war against me.

>>725402119
This is how I usually see netherlands runs end so far

Why are churches called temples? Are mosques called temples as well?

>>725402614
idk in my language they can be called temple, well it's the church that most often uses that word

>>725402614
Your body is a temple anon

>>725402772
I just checked and they are. How fucking lazy can you be?

>>725402207
wtf am I supposed to do France alone has 1.5x as much troops as our whole side has

Yup, it's gamer time.

So control is calculated based on the distance to the capital. Is there any reason to connect other cities to each other by roads, or is the capital the only distance I should worry about?