Thread 725398765

The final boss. Kino or kusoge?

The whole game is kusoge

whats the button to change rails when youre doing the stupid mandatory skating sections

>>725399314
I'm not watching a 2 hour video for some schizo to rant about his retarded points on how the game wasn't perfect so it's the shittest thing to ever exist.
Why do you think it was bad?

>>725399587
you use the grappling hook

>>725399587
You turn slightly in the direction of the rail you want to switch to and press the R1/RB. If there's only one rail you shouldn't need to turn to look at it and it should have a button prompt appear.

>>725399719
>>725399743
doesnt work so im probably retarded

>>725399772
I think there's one rail in chapter 10 where you the prompt to let you switch pops up like half a second before you get hit by a train on your current rail but other than that I don't think there's any sections you should be having trouble with.

>>725399940
it was that kek

Wish Itagaki-san and his teams make Ayane spin off for GameCube perform.

NG = DMC3
NG2 = DMC1
NG3 = DMC2
Devil’s Third = DMC4
NG4 = DMC5
YNGZ = DmC
Wanted: Dead = Bayonetta

>>725400074
It's the only rail section that is a bit fucky IMO. It's a shame cause that section is all fast-paced but then I imagine most people who play that for the first time will get hit by that train which feels really lame and ruins the momentum.

>>725398765 (OP)
kino, the ending really delivers in this game

i really hate how you seem to have to block/parry/dodge a second before the animation is even going. at least for bosses. bosses in this game also have no attack tells they just attack. like the shark faggot will at any point just do an incredibly fast back flip attack with no cue or tell that does 30% of your life.

>>725403139
That's the closest ng4 enemies get to ng2 bosses I would say. But also the shark boss is similar to the lantern enemies, you learn to anticipate the moment the grab/explosion comes, for the lanterns it happens about 5 hits in.

>>725403139
I find that bosses in ng4 are fun and easy to approach since your defensive options are very powerful. You can use the drill to parry most attacks on most bosses just attacking with the drill preemptively and holding the br attack.

>>725401867
>Devil’s Third = DMC4
Dmc4 is not that bad

If the anon who talked about GTs in 3RE with me in the other thread is still here, thanks, made fighting alchemists with the kusari-gama a lot more fun. I would always just switch to the sword when they appeared.

>>725398765 (OP)
Final boss is the best boss in the franchise, maybe tied with Ryu.

Made it to chapter 12 on Master Ninja.
This game pure action kinoa. They better give Ryu real time weapon switching in the DLC because the real time weapon switching with Yakumo is crazy fun.

>>725403950
Referencing his iconic quote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6KumZk8Tss

>>725404892
How is Master Ninja in 4 compared to previous games? I didn't find it that bad (I was spamming items though) and I'm thinking of maybe trying that 2 remaster that came out earlier this year.

>>725406441
It's harder than NGB Master Ninja, maybe on par with or a bit harder than 2 on Master Ninja. Bosses certainly are much harder imo, going through the levels is a toss-up, but these games play pretty differently so it's hard to compare when the difficulty is pushing you on different points in each game. I haven't played 3RE Master Ninja so I'm not sure, but from what I have played of 3RE I feel like that one is the hardest.

>>725398765 (OP)
I just got to the Ryu chapters and is it just me or does the game feel a lot better? Not as much wasted time hearing MGS yelling after death. Heavy feeling moveset that feels good to delimb enemies with. Ninpo that can reliably keep enemies off my back. I like the Yakumo drill and hammer but it's making me so sad that Ryu was shafted for DLC. I wonder if this game was rushed out the door and the DLC has a lot more than they've announced.

>>725407036
Ryu chapters are better paced than Yakumo's imo since there's not as much introduction to new characters and filler sections. Ryu is also more powerful than Yakumo, deals more damage etc.

>NG2's small enemies—especially the spider ninja—circle you while throwing bombs and dodging. And when they want to attack—unless you are already within grab range—they close the gap first, and then start the attack animation, which is too fast to react.

>So basically you have to make decisions out of their movement and positioning, and execute your plan preemptively.

>In NG4, by contrast, most enemies are so static they hardly move even in MN; and when they try to attack, they just start straight into the animation without closing the distance. Because the player can literally disengage from anything at any time and state with overpowered movement, enemies won't ever touch you unless they have insane tracking—which is why they do.

>So you are not reading their movements or positioning. Rather, you are either just reacting instantly to each attack, or constantly disengaging from the whole situation keeping enemies static.

>This kind of game design heavily de-emphasizes positioning. Your overall positioning still vaguely matters and crowd control is important(or even too easy because of how throws work now), but its importance is fragemented into individual engagements. There is no genuine 'checkmate' state, where your previous bad choices lead to.

>This turns the game into kind of a string of mini-games. You are just reacting to each mini-game(or tracking attacks) rather than playing a single unified combat.

https://x.com/LeeYin_/status/1987279012046193019?s=20
How will NG4 sissies recover now?

>>725407036
>I wonder if this game was rushed out the door and the DLC has a lot more than they've announced.
I feel Ryu was originally always planned to be DLC and the main game was 100% Yakumo. The game felt weirdly long at 19 chapters and the switch to flashback Ryu right before the final mission was kind of awkward. I think the game was originally meant to be 15 missions with no Ryu but somebody decided they need to have Ryu playable in the main game too because otherwise people would be insanely pissed off. Probably the right move marketing wise but imo I think Ryu felt tacked on

>>725407853
Dont care.

>>725407036
>>725407830
Ryu feels like a tornado of destruction.
I want to say he's OP, but he feels so much better than Yakumo on hard and MN that I'd say Yakumo is just underpowered.

>>725398765 (OP)
Absolute kino

>>725407862
I think the story was rewritten during development to change things around, Ryu took Tyran's place etc.
It's strange that they have such a detailed model for Tyran and he's just a glorified menu.
I think they made this change because TN decided there was no way there could be a Ninja Gaiden game without playing as Ryu.
The devs said that Tyran was the character whose role in the story changed the most so I feel like this is the most likely. The DLC also has Yakumo wielding a scythe, which is what Tyran wields in concept art.
I feel like Tyran's role was rewritten and his content (not as a playable character, but the assets relating to the character etc.) was moved to the DLC.

>>725407853
>In NG4, by contrast, most enemies are so static they hardly move even in MN

>>725407853
Anyway, just let me kill one spider ninja and then UT until the fight is over.

>>725408631
Furthermore, the final ritual weapon is also a scythe. Achilles takes it and it turns into a scythe, but Yakumo does not obtain it afterwards, instead we go into the Ryu flashback missions and Yakumo gets a stripped back moveset for the final mission, which makes sense since you have just played as Ryu.
I feel like there was going to be a showdown with Tyran at some point close to the end and Yakumo acquires the scythe instead of the Dark Dragon Blade as the final weapon.

You also don't really need to react to their first attack because parries aren't perfect guard, you can block the first hit and counter the second in the blockstring. At least that's how I always do it in NG2. No point in exposing yourself to risk like that if you don't have to.

>>725409110
Yeah, several enemies, if not most of them, in 4 can be dealt with very well using this tactic of guarding the first hit(s) and then parrying the follow-up which is easier to do, like countering some strings in previous games.

>>725407853
>NG2's small enemies—especially the spider ninja—circle you while throwing bombs and dodging. And when they want to attack—unless you are already within grab range—they close the gap first, and then start the attack animation, which is too fast to react.
yes which is why you can and should be invincible at all times by looping UT/OT/GT
it's almost like being able to react is a good thing
anyways this dude can either stream himself playing on MN no damage clearing the whole game by "literally disengag[ing] from anything at any time and state with overpowered movement" or he can shut the fuck up

>>725407853
I don't even understand what pseuds mean with "positioning" when it comes 3D action games. With fighting games positioning is important because the space is pretty limited and determined by the the other player's character.

Like, basically all action games let you move incredibly freely and so can the enemies. Dodging and jumping are also extremely generous and common mechanics. Maybe if you're talking about Dark Souls 1 or Onimusha 1, but Ninja Gaiden?

It just feels like positioning is a buzzword for these people. As if just having or not having makes a game good or bad by default.

>>725407862
Ryu IS tacked on but man he felt so much better to play. Less cheesy than the ninja tools they gave Yakumo as well. The Ninja Tools are fun but it's such a shame that the nunchuks and tonfa are shoved into it with no way to use them by themselves.

>>725407853
>In NG4, by contrast, most enemies are so static they hardly move even in MN; and when they try to attack, they just start straight into the animation without closing the distance.
I feel like anyone who's even played the game can tell you this is false. You can even see in the clip they posted the enemies reposition.
Why are NG4 detractors so disingenuous?

>>725409748
they used to unironically talk about "the neutral" but they were rightly mocked until they changed it to "positioning," which still doesn't matter in ninja gaiden 2

Just noticed he included a video too. I think his video speaks for itself if you've played both games. He's literally chaining invincible move into invincible move in 2. There's no preemptive execution, you have plenty of time to react while fully invincible and doing guaranteed delimb moves.
Your main risk is getting grabbed on land, enemies attacking while you spam tonfa cancels is a non issue. You don't see him going for regular strings and the more robust moveset people are upset that was gutted from 4. I feel like 3RE would be a better game to make the point he's making than 2. There's no bigger checkmate state than regretting having purchased a health upgrade multiple chapters prior.

>>725410337
>Why are NG4 detractors so disingenuous?
Because the game is a masterpiece. They need to be disingenuous or else their agenda falls apart.

>chatgpt em dashes
>all small enemies circle around and throw bombs
>and especially the spider ninjas!!
ai slop has been here

Anyway just noticed how with Leech Fang Amulet equipped, Yatousen's BR OTs tend to heal about twice as much as any other OT in the game, am I late to the party?

>>725407853
>So basically you have to make decisions out of their movement and positioning
I've played a shit ton of NG2, even on master ninja, and haven't done this a single time.

What matters in NG2 is staying on the move and using iframes to stay safe and kill shit. And i love NG2, but not gonna pretend you have to give a fuck about spacing lol. What you need to worry about is what iframes are available to nullify the 10 IS shurikens on Ryus ass

>>725411493
Yeah learning the IS timing is crucial. You have to iframe through them as second nature starting from Mentor. Blocking is not too bad as a fallback, though. The damage isn't anywhere near as high as 4 on MN, and personally I think that's a good thing, 4 MN feels a bit overtuned in damage.

>>725411664
Even on mentor I felt the damage was insane. Like on the last boss if I ever got hit with one of his BR moves I just got one shotted

>>725411420
Same artist behind 2008 Hells manga?

>>725411420
>Yatousen's BR OTs tend to heal about twice as much as any other OT in the game
Woah, is that a thing? I didn't notice at all. Kinda felt like the healing was a bit inconsistent.

>>725412141
It's Hajime Ueda

>>725399314
>The whole game is kusoge
But enough about NGII

I like this outfit.
It removes most of the cringe parts of his main outfit and leaves you with pure twink goodness.

>>725408728
So THIS is aggressive AI trying its hardest to kill you...

>>725411493
>using iframes
Do people who say this not realize that iframes in NG2 are only available with spacing? You don't have a Bayonetta dodge button to get free iframes whenever you want.

im not a super huge ng head or anything (only played ngb and ng2 and some other ports of those 2 games) and im enjoying ng4 alright but man it is way too fucking difficult. im not sure what platinum was going for here but this is harder than both ngb and ng2 on normal.

shit just like the almost the whole game

>>725412954
The moves that give you the most iframes do the spacing for you. If you couldn't do shit out of a wind run and you could only wind path, flying swallow, on land attacks/UT and guillotine throw out of regular jumps, then I'd be much more inclined to agree.

>>725412990
>way too fucking difficulty
i'm a casual and the game was a joke
>die 15 times to first boss
>every other boss took less than 5 tries

nigga gayshit 4

>>725413547
dying 5 times to a boss on normal mode in this genre, probably while using healing potions and using resurrects means its fucking way hard.

>>725412954
what the fuck lol
yes you do have a dodge button. you also have ninpo, UT, GT and OT.
there is no spacing when fighting 9 rasetsus plus like 50 normal fuckers. there's only UT

>>725413965
>yes you do have a dodge button
NG2 has a Bayonetta dodge button? The more you know
>UT, GT and OT.
And you need actual spacing to use all of those, crazy

>>725412216
Yeah here's a small comparison between the base and BR forms of the rapier and 2kat.
Against heavy enemies like Van Gelfs the healing seems to be the same across all weapons and forms.

This seems like a substantial heal. Is this accessory NG+ only or did I miss it?

>>725414715
Think you get it for a side mission in chapter 11. Doesn't matter NG+ or not.

how do i make this game easier for myself. is it normal im using like 8 items per mission and only getting head or great ninja ranks

>>725413646
i wouldn't say its way too fucking hard but whatever
those are the stats if you want to roast me

>>725415062
8 items will reduce your score by a lot less than a single death, so it's not like you're playing it wrong

>>725415267
i'm so smart sometimes

>>725414138
Woah that's crazy.

>>725398765 (OP)
The game is enjoyable but I was promised MGR2. The executions of mobs are all fine and even great, but so far I'm at like Chapter 10 and Yakumo hasn't fought any humanoid boss other than Ryu and D.D.O Commander, so there's 0 back and forth banter and Yakumo only says MONDAI NAI and COME at the Daemons so he comes of as an edgy looking character with 0 actual edge.

The execution cutscenes of the bosses are also lacking spectacle, the only one I've liked so far is the PoV one with the Drill. Stellar Blade got far better and brutal death cutscenes for the bosses, and MGR as well.

>>725415671
these stats arent indicative of an easy game lol

no one cares about this flop

>>725416387
i would say thats just average stats for a first playthrough of any game that isn't a movie

>>725416375
RIP

>>725416504
There's a lot of movie games by your standards then lol

>>725416582
Kirk's death cutscene is unironically more iconic than any boss execution I've seen so far in NG4. It was brutal even the timing of his last line.

I'm getting btfo on chapter 1 in NG2 on master ninja. I think I need to circadian rythm 5-6hr sleepmax and no eating for my brain to be operating at the required levels. Can other people not play this game on that difficulty half the time?

>>725408728
>>725412938
No it's a disingenuous webm and I don't know what's going on there, but someone said it was "hash edited". I'm going through the game right now on master ninja and I was not able to replicate such a thing, the enemies were way more agressive, punished me for going into the air, and were VERY grab and slash happy, so that webm is bs. Even on lower difficulties that doesn't happen.

>>725418128
Lol

>>725419752
Excuse me, HEX edited. I don't even know what that means that's just what I heard. I am also a retarded forgibs me plox......

>>725420297
>forgibs me plox
Stop

>>725398765 (OP)
Kino. It is another cherry on top of the design achievement that is Yakumo's movelist.
The entirety of the game combat systems swirls around it and Dark Yakumo makes it full circle.
Capcom failed this in DMC4 and didn't even attempt in DMC5 (no Nero or Dante boss fight).
The boss can use every single move in the players' arsenal, is susceptible to each of counterplays established through the game while still being menacing AND having exclusive moves.
I don't have a single bad thing to say about it.

>>725420424
Why?

>>725418128
I actually tested myself although on Sigma 2 Black on Master Ninja and was able to replicate it in the same place, and playing very poorly too.
Of course it's not representative of the average Master Ninja encounter, but it shows that it's easy to misrepresent any game however you want if that's your goal.

>>725420594
I see.

>>725407862
>The game felt weirdly long at 19 chapters
Sigma 1 was also 19 chapters.

>>725420594
>it's easy to misrepresent any game however you want if that's your goal.
The Mork playbook.

The cope for this game flopping has been pretty funny. Reminds me of DD2 kek.
Serves you right for trying to be "le souls killer xD".

>>725398765 (OP)
mfw
THROUGH DESTINATIONS TAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL
on a church IN THUNDEROUS STORMS
Corrupted god now ROARS HIS LAST

>>725412954
what the fuck are you smoking
you do not need spacing when you have essence. the whole game on MN you are killing a single dude after spamming wind path and the throw and spamming your UT to get rid of IS spam and mage's.nsgwpm

is le toolbox just the best weapon in any action game?

>>725422247
No, NG3RE's Kusarigama and DMC5's King Cerberus are.

>>725407853
Another wannabe game designer autist with 50 followers on shitter, are they making these niggas in a lab now?

>>725420297
>forgibs me plox......
Cute! I forgib and forgive you!

>>725398765 (OP)
Hated by hardcore fans
Ignored by casual gamers
Truly the biggest flop of this year

>>725422739
Turns out there are a lot of cunts with bad opinions on the internet

>>725399314
Ninja fandom is filled with retard
I recently discovered this series and though i really really love all 3 game, none of them were perfect and have so much flaws
I consider ng2 a 7/10 but is my top 3 fav game

Please join my patreon and learn top tier game design
Btw i never made any game

>>725423051
Subscribed :)

playing ng4 for the first time. is the toolbox just broken and only balanced by low score points? i killed both kagatchi (or whatever his name is) and achilles first try without even really knowing what was going on. the blue blob in the chapter before the shark took me like 30 attempts in comparison.

people always jerk off atlus as the only devs who can into style but after ng4 and I'm playing through astral chain it seems platinum is pretty good at it too

>>725412923
>try to look up fanart of Yakumo
>this twink literally all that I find (with some 2hu inbetween)
>now Twitter thinks I like this homo game and won't stop showing art of it
STOP
Does he even have a last name? Yakumo Raven? Yakumo Karasu? idk

>>725407853
the video with ng4 is retarded because it shows melee enemies moving and guys with rifles standing still... like they always did in NG...
>>725412954
niggas will play a game with small, boxed in stages that have you fight dozens of enemies and says "brooooo but you need to space yourself!!!"

>>725411087
The game is no masterpiece but it isn't a pile of crap either. 7/10 hopefully improved with the DLC.

>>725423883
Should have been this big

>>725423973
bigger

>>725423973
That's pretty big

>>725420297
there's a schizo who claims any bad footage of ng2 is a rom hack
of course all footage of ng2 is bad so idk how that works

>>725422247
If by best you mean cheesiest then maybe but it's nowhere close to the most fun that's for sure. That goes to the Staff or Ryu's old Lunar/flails.

>>725423102
:-)

any 360 or forward/back moves worth using? I'm kinda ignoring them for now

>>725399314
/thread

>>725425247
Yeah 360 heavy attack duel tachi is amazing, especially against those DDO guys.

>>725425247
if it's done with Y, you can OT with it, so the forward advancing ones will kill a delimbed enemy from across the room
launchers are good like rapier bfY, staff 360X. some aoes are good like swords 360Y

>>725420594
Ninja Gaiden and Ninja Gaiden Black are the only good Ninja Gaiden games.

Platinum died when Kamiya left, Bayo 3 is their last work.

NG4 sucks massive dick.

>>725425247
I think a lot of them end up being worth using, especially the bloodraven variants. Play around with them a bit.

>>725425247
>>725425592
the drill BR BackForward is the dumbest move in the game

>>725425563
People are pretending Bayo was a good game now? Kek

>>725417841
>5-6hr sleepmax
How about 7-8h sleep max?

>>725427373
Bayo 3 and 2 are amazing. NG4 is garbage, no need to pretend friend, nintendo won KEK.

>>725427514
Wrong, Bayo is trash.

Transformers > Bayo 2-3 and transformers was bayo 1 lite

NG4 is also better

>>725427574
didn't read you troglodyte troll, eat shit nigger. NG4 is dead

>>725427626
>Tendie can't read words
No need to tell me. I hear you guys are illiterate anyway

>>725427373
>>725427514
>>725427574
>>725427626
action games died for this. we deserve soulslop.

>>725427626
We got more NG4 on the way bitch boy

>>725427746
Souls is shit too

rofl

>>725427471
5-6 works for me and my sleep schedule is busted.

>>725427798
'ick on 'eck bros...

>>725408728
>doesnt show initial spider ninja ambush
the hallway mooks being buncha noobs is ludo

>>725425247
They all have their moments, the most important thing to know is that you can weave these moves into your regular strings and follow up with bloodraven form.

A few examples:
2kat back-to-forward x into its BR jump
2kat back-to-forward y into its BR raven gear
Rapier 360x near a wall into its BR projectile
Rapier 360yy into its BR jump
Rapier back-to-forward X into shurikens into FS and or BR attacks
GT one enemy into another into rapier's BR back-to-forward X (hold)
Staff 360x into just release BR projectile to knock the enemy far away
Staff back-to-forward Y can be shuriken cancelled at any point in the air and its on-land recovery can be cancelled into a dash or windpath
Hammer's just released 360X during Berserk is top tier
Drill 360y is really good if you manage to group up the enemies

>>725428009
You must be always underperfoming.

>>725422739
>niche game (but good) comes out
>threads are relatively calm for a couple days
>shitposters find a YouTuber to get their opinions from
>everythread is now arguing using those points
I’d swear its literally bots if this board wasn’t mainly people that didn’t play videogames

>>725428991
Maybe I'm underestimating the amount of sleep I get when I perform best, but there seems to be a goldilocks zone for not over or undersleeping. Both, especially oversleeping for some reason, makes me feel very groggy. I can measure my mental capabilities a few ways but one of the more tangible ways is by playing NG2 and seeing how good and fluent I am.

>>725429234
yes oversleeping makes you tired
wake up and do jumping jacks

>>725429356
Will do.

>>725429639
stop posting Lain cunny, I'm getting horny

>>725399772
Theres literally a prompt everytime. Or just turn the auto mode on

>>725430105
LOL
Lain is not for segg anon repent.

>>725428610
damn thank you

the difficulty in ng4 is so all over the place. starts easy, gets REALLY hard in the mountains/shark place. then gets REALLY easy in the ddo base (minus the bot). achilles and samurai guy are a joke. then you get a bunch of complete freebie chapters because ryu is insanely overpowered and then it gets a little bit hard again.

>>725406441
>beat the game with relative ease on Hard
>dont think any single encounter took me more than 4 or 5 tries at most
>I even one tried a few bosses
>Chapter 1 MN
>die 60 times to the enemy waves right before the boss fight

It's 6:39am and I haven't gone to bed yet. Thank god I have "tomorrow" monday off this week but I'm starting a new job on tuesday and I'm so nervous all I can do is play Ninja Gaiden I played 1-2-3 back to back to back this weekend and I mght play 4 now I'm so fucked.

>>725407036
Ryu feels amazing but 1 moveset is fucking criminal, and even loses its uniqueness when Yakumo gets the DDS (keeping Gleam instead of at least making a different bloodraven form feels lazy as fuck) . Im pretty sure Ryu hits harder and ninpo is broken, so he remains the stronger character, but Im hoping for more than just 1 new weapon for the DLC.
Also, Ryu levels are better paced because theres no intercom but you mostly go through rehashed enemies and locations

>landing UT after Izuna
I have awakened
also, is there any grabs in this game besides Izuna? NG2 had more than a few including Garland Drop which was way safer

Tried playing this but the suck to target was disgusting. Game feels gross and made for a new gen afraid of total combat control. Refunded slop

>>725430853
Flying Guillotine lets you 1-hit most minions if you throw them off an edge

>>725406441
>not great at games
>die 300+ times during Hard playthrough
>play first level in MN
>die 8 times during first combat encounter
this shit is a severe step up, ranged faggots are a MENACE now, guns went from a ignorable nuisance to wiping the entire health bar alone when not focused down

>>725430821
Yeah, I agree with everything in this post. Once again drives home the idea that the game was rushed in order to get a product out while they work on the DLC. FOr what it is the game is fairly fun but also the idea that people say that Ryu's moveset is somehow better than NG2 or NG3 Ryu is crazy to me. Gleam cancels are cool but you still only have about 8 moves to unlock which is also quite criminal.

Cant do nor inderstand how you use dodge offset to trigger a charged BR attack. I literally hold dodge/block and do the command for BR but the game still expects me to charge it

>>725430853
Flying Guillotine has so much invulnerably it feels like cheating

If you play an game with suck to target and like it you must life an life with lips that suck to cock. Respectfully.

>>725430496
i think you just get good at ninja gaiden after a while and it feels easier
ryu is massively overpowered though

>>725403139
in the original NG you could parry by hitting the attack button while blocking. you'd time it by holding block, allowing the enemy to hit you, and as soon as the sound is about to, or does register that your blade was hit you hit the attack button, and you counter. in 2, 3, and apparently 4(haven't played it lmfao 70 dollar game emajuuuun) you have to sorta anticipate it, or allow them to hit once, and then parry on the next hit to get a feel. it is usually better to allow them to sorta hit you, and parry into the flow of their attacks rather anticipating the first.

>>725430821
I was really disappointed the DDS didn’t atleast have some more ‘evil’ particle effects, I noticed during some bossfights some Kanji floats away and I wouldn’t mind some of that, even if it was something cheesy like the Japanese word for “evil”, anything to help differentiate it from Ryus sword really other than the physical

>>725407853
This is ironic since NG2 has several enemy types that are more static and passive than anything in NG4.

i'm playing ng4 on MN now and it's really unfun. was damage THIS high in the older ng titles? in ngb do you do not die this quick. i won't pretend i played ng2 on MN so maybe the enemy damage is as ludicrous there as it in ng4?

>>725432107
NG4 has the highest damage in the series, but you also have the most powerful defensive options.

>>725432107
It's way too fucking high, they messed up with MN.

>>725431970
This.

>>725431270
>you could parry by hitting the attack button while blocking
you can in NG2 and 3.
I know this because I haven't played 1. Parries in 4 feel way harder to pull off even timing-wise.
>>725431123
>>725431025
I'm not talking about Guillotine Throw, more like Garland Drop or the weird throws the girls do in 3RE.
In 3 the difference between an Izuna and a Garland was holding forward during the throw iirc.

the final boss ost starts absolutely kino but it kind of falls off a cliff after the beginning
not even the bury the light guy could save it
they put the kinoest fucking melody right at the beginning of the fight and then proceed to do absolutely NOTHING with that instrument even though it mogs the entire rest of the song

team ninja's unrelenting lack of charisma never ceases to amase me

>>725433301
I laughed everytime a boss tease jingle played because the funny metal riffing was always better than the actual boss song.

>>725400703
The sisters got hit the absolute worst by the artstyle transition. They used to be the hottest. Now they're in the second lowest tier above Mila and Lisa.

>>725414138
Man, please mod that disgusting red low health screen border out. There's no reason to obscure your vision while you're trying to survive.

>>725436735
>There's no reason to obscure your vision while you're trying to survive.
Wdym? IS spam is kino.

If this makes me a faggot or a casual that's fine, but I fucking hate the inclusion of death wish and untouchable.

I hate death wish because I hate whenever a game goes "you know all those upgrades you spent time exploring for and upgrading? We don't actually want you to use them. In fact, you're a bitch if you do." reducing the sense of reward to nothing. God forbid the player has fun figuring out which combination of accessories gives them a slight edge on different missions. Can't have that opportunity for variety.

I think no damage is fine in DMC for example, it's a different kind of game; but I personally don't think it belongs in Ninja Gaiden. Not with gunfire and shurikens flying everywhere. I tried watching someone doing a purgatory while achieving untouchable. Did I see amazing god-like ninja action? No, I saw someone jumping around as Ryu waiting for the gleam meter to fill up so he could use fireball and sometimes UT when essences were around. I don't blame him it encourages the player to play like a bitch. If it was a scale where you got a bigger karma bonus the less damage you took then whatever, but I dislike when there's such a strong dividing line between taking 0 damage and taking 1 damage; and if you've taken 1 damage you might as well take 10 000 because there's no difference.

You could say "Anon, if you don't like them then stop being autistic and just ignore them." And if they were just buried in the karma score I would, but there's a huge "Not achieved" plastered on everything as you browse the menus. The game is aggressively telling me I'm playing it wrong for wanting to have fun.

TL;DR Earlier games didn't have this shit, I don't like it here. Kill things and don't die should be enough.

>>725438074
>I saw someone jumping around as Ryu
EZ mode character, doesn't count. Also your more autistic then a casual.

>>725436463
Ayane's suit is begging for a nip slip.

>>725404892
I think real time weapon switching should be Yakumo's thing, since his arsenal is centered around using different weapons for different situation.
Meanwhile, Ryu's weapons should make him feel like an entirely different character, at the cost of switching weapons the same way you switch accessories. Also, let Ryu swap ranged weapons. Yakumo doesn't need thel because of BR ranged and the box, but I feel like it would allow Ryu to close the gap between the two's gameplays.

>>725438074
>I hate death wish because I hate whenever a game goes "you know all those upgrades you spent time exploring for and upgrading?
I am not there yet, but I think it only removes stuff like the block power up?

>>725398765 (OP)
It's barely better than base NG3. Magnetism and Ryu having one weapon go a long way towards making it kusoge tier

>Yakumo's Scythe is the fourth weapon used for the seal
Kino. I hope its his only additional weapon, since they need to give some love to Ryu.
>>725430496
>the difficulty in ng4 is so all over the place. starts easy, gets REALLY hard in the mountains/shark place. then gets REALLY easy in the ddo base (minus the bot).
Funny, I have the opposite experience as I get better at the game and unlock more of Yakumo's shit.

>>725423636
>No fanart of the Yakumo family using the Raven clan outfits
Hmm I guess it's time to grab the pencil

>>725423636
Yakumo KARAS.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hKl95gqMOyc

>>725438735
No, it also removes health upgrades and accessories.

>>725441229
Alright, but you still have access to the essentials?

>franchise status?
YAKUMO'D

You guys want a real ninja experience? That'll be in Feb with Nioh 3.

>>725441516
are we to pretend you niggers wont endlessly shitpost about nioh 3 no matter how much of a masterpiece it turns out to be?

>>725441304
You get to have all your moves and weapons, yes.

>>725441785
I'm sorry anon, every game I like seems to attract endless shitposting for some reason
I'll be playing Nioh 3 too, I apologize in advance

>>725441986
So what's the issue? Just yeet the enemies into the void.

>>725441785
I'm bored, and now prepare your butt for my ninja game rant -

Before I played Ninja Gaiden on Xbox, 2 games had already shaped my opinion. Devil May Cry 1 and Tenchu 1 on PS1. Then I finally get an Xbox in like 2003 or something, first off, Ryu Hayabusa's 3D model looks incredible, it's a fantastic design. But literally everything else about Ninja Gaiden 1 was kinda blah, and I thought it was just a lesser version of DMC 1.

- There were no cool ranged weapons, the kunai didn't do shit, it's like a faster version of DMC except you couldn't do shit from ranged, you were constantly chasing enemies around
- Ryu was too flippy dippy (omg I'm flipping at you to attack you, every single enemy everytime, omg flying swallow.....again!)
- Areas were kinda boring
- I thought the regular enemies were cool but the bosses all looked like some bootleg contra ripoff shit
Not one memorable boss fight in the entire franchise besides big karate ninja man
Ninja magic and gadgets were extremely lacking after enjoying Tenchu and the NG games on NES (Ninja Gaiden was my first NES game I owned)

The sequels didn't do anything to change my opinion either. And you people are the ones that call Ninja Gaiden Black "peak". Basically I'm saying 3D Ninja Gaiden was never good. And some of you, (I think of you as posers) you claim DMC is shit and NG is the real king of all action games and you would never, ever dare dirty yourself by touching a fromsoft game or Nioh. Eat shit, and enjoy your Yakumo.

>>725400703
>She totally is going to be playable
Lol, lmao even.

>>725420594
>that it's easy to misrepresent any game however you want if that's your goal.
Who would have known?

Ninja gayman was never good

>>725442449
that's a really milquetoast opinion
DMC1 wasn't very good, NG1 was years ahead of it in almost every aspect.
Tenchu is so different it's not even worth discussing.
>3D Ninja Gaiden was never good
then what are you doing in the Ninja Gaiden thread

idr get you people

>>725436463
Something about her DOA2 appearance makes her look so soft and huggable
the models in DOA2 were a work of art

>>725444559
I don't like Ryu's greaves. Its begging to stab his foots.

>>725408470
>be vaguely in the same country as the enemy
>they can always hit you, and you can always homing jump and stun and throw them in full iframes
>leading to either an instant kill if a wall is in the same neighbourhood or just a free setup to do it again if not until the enemy is dead
>with zero reason to not use this and every conceivable reason to keep using this over anything else
Yeah, "spacing".

>>725432107
it's high, but you have the tools to keep yourself safe and evasive, this game was designed around no damage runs at it's highest level and works decently well
https://youtu.be/bFD9NpDzXxc?si=8eptAgx6IvCFTddb

>>725444559
>>3D Ninja Gaiden was never good
>then what are you doing in the Ninja Gaiden thread
he must be tired of the shilling
i wouldn't enter this thread if the shit devs didn't replace the main character ruining the franchise