Thread 725455765

What went wrong?

e33 and metaphor mogged them

>>725455765 (OP)
love when people bring old ass news just to "shit" on FF again
give it a break, atlus fans

>>725455765 (OP)
they ignored their own fanbase. fatal mistake

>>725455765 (OP)
Forced raytracing in FFVII Rebirth cut down on the number of people who can play it
I preordered it but had to cancel when the specs came out

>>725455765 (OP)
Modern square is just wrong. They seem to have no idea what people liked about their games.

>>725455765 (OP)
number of players doesn't equal to number of units sold

>>725455765 (OP)
People just aren't interested in JRPGs.

>>725455765 (OP)
25 years of dogshit games and chronic mismanagement finally caught up to Squeenix, which is a shame because Rebirth is genuinely great (outside of some side content bloat) and easily the best FF game since 2001, which is a low bar but still

I am ITT to protect SE shareholders. Try and guess which posts are mine.

>>725455765 (OP)
Their expectations were retarded

>>725456635
this one: >>725455887

>>725455765 (OP)
These are the same people that expected Tomb Raid to sell over 7 million copies. Square has had unrealistic sales expectations for over a decade. Now kill yourself, schizo.

How do you even save the franchise at this point? A FF9 remake that only covers everything up to Lindblum?

>>725455820
>Trying to latch onto e33

>>725456924
>A FF9 remake that only covers everything up to Lindblum?
no it would end in burmecia with a skyscraper kuja fight

>>725455765 (OP)
>What went wrong?
literally nothing. we are experiencing a square enix renaissance after years of blatant incompetence. muh sales expectations (TM) are absolutely meaningless.

>>725455765 (OP)
>What went wrong?
they got rid of turn-based combat.

>>725455765 (OP)
The franchise died with 13.

>>725455765 (OP)
>>725457013
...This is another roleplay thread isn't it.

>>725456121
Wild theory time.
People that enjoyed jrpgs have grown older and don't play as much, and younger generations haven't picked them up because they see the genre as old fashioned. More than a lack of innovation, it's an industry wide mishandling of the genre that has killed it's appeal in the public opinion. When the media reports the game is good, it still sells.
That and kids these days are so used to being bombarded with constant stimulus jprg's slower paced gameplay just doesn't hold their attention.

>>725456121
Yep. Millennials are way too old for the genre and zoomers prefer gacha.

>>725455765 (OP)
I still maintain FF16 would've done leagues better if it hadn't been a PS5 exclusive.

>>725455820
Metaphor was forgotten fast though even using P5 aesthetics

>>725457189
The absolutely lowest bar for me to engage with an RPG is that the story has something interesting to say.

It doesn't have to be good, or even something I agree with, but it has to be interesting. Metaphor is completely uninteresting to me.

>>725455765 (OP)
Nigga you spend more time crying about these shitty games than actually talking about turn based games

My new tactic is looking impartial by criticizing Square for expecting unrealistic sales figures while chastising anons for saying anything mean about SE or their games. I've done this a few times ITT already, and will continue to do so. Let me know if it's working.

>>725457439
you actually typed this and then say "no im not mad"

>>725457189
>When you stop talking about a single player game after you finish it means its bad
No, in fact the games talked about the most are the ones that flopped or didn't sell well like FF

>>725457516
Would you ever admit if a 4chan post made you mad, anon?

>>725455765 (OP)
I really liked FFXI and I haven't enjoyed an FF game since.

>>725457336
>Wahhh game doesn't have woke politics i don't care about it then

>>725457603
>yeah...you are right actually, i am mad, but would you ever admit if a 4chan post made you mad, anon?
ftfy

No posts make me mad actually so its not like i can answer that

>>725456924
They need to make a new FF with the heart and soul of FF9, not a remake.

>>725457336
I just started it and within the first 20 minutes the fairy character complained that there isn't world peace. Not a good start.

>>725457336
For me, it has to be entertaining, to make me feel something. Make me laugh, make me sad, or even make me angry. I dont give a shit about politics or what the game wants to say most of the time.

>>725457675
If FF9 came out today, people would hate it. Only furries would like it.

>>725457439
>This bitter old hag is still here

>>725457175
its out on the PC too

>>725457992
Nta but it came like a year later

>>725455765 (OP)
Did they expect any different after making the franchise exclusive to Playstation?

>>725457813
FF9 came out during a different time, you don't need to make a clone of it to capture the heart and soul that game displayed. The devs need to be inspired and create something they care about. Not act as a soulless trend-chasing corporation as they're doing now.

>>725455820
More like astroturf 33

>>725457175
>>725458023
Fucking this. Hype is a real, tangible thing; to release it only to a select few cultist a full year before release is just kneecapping your creation. When I played FFX, I knew I was among the first people in the west to do so.

>>725455765 (OP)
Their games continue to suck because all of the talent left decades ago. It's a sloppa factory. They would do much better if their games all released at $20.

>>725455765 (OP)
Final Fantasy 16 wasn't a JRPG and 7 Rebirth isn't a remake of Final Fantasy 7

>>725457673
As long as my posts have never, and will never make you mad, then there's no problem.

>>725456121
15k for a 40 year old game and PC is not its strongest platform seems really good to me.

>>725455765 (OP)
Just release it on PC bro

>>725457175
>I still maintain FF16 would've done leagues better
it did plenty fine. this is glorified content creator discussion mill with no substance: "the square enix situation is getting crazy." followed by 15 minutes of nothing burger.
why should i care that it was 4 and not 6 million.

>>725458076
I'm just so exhausted with realistic RPG. Especially where you just play as generic people.

>>725458247
>muh 40 year old game

>>725457845
I think she also posts in trails threads too, probably triggered by girls with big boobs

>>725458324
>45k
awesome

>>725455765 (OP)
Playstation.

>>725455765 (OP)
That's what happens when you put your games as (timed) exclusives on the ps5. Playstation owners don't play games.

>>725457813
>If FF9 came out today, people would hate it. Only furries would like it.
Hell, people didn't even like FF9 when it was released (and rightfully so). That shit is still the lowest selling Final Fantasy in the classical era.

>>725458331
Yes definitely she does

>>725455765 (OP)
People are moving to pc
Also THREE games to tell the same story but worse doesn't help
Release ONE game day one on pc and that's it

>>725456924
> save the franchise
>A FF9 remake
posts lowest selling FF.
>>725458435
>Hell, people didn't even like FF9 when it was released (and rightfully so).
FF XI is the game that's loved by people who like it and completely ignored by people people who don't.

>>725458283
Same, FF9 was so imaginative and fun, I miss that square.

>>725458519
>the same story
Play the games.

>>725457439
someone didnt like you ruining their plan

>>725458614
>can see the future
They literally copied this from xenoblade

MEANWHILE IN THE ATLUS FACTORY:
>still no mainline project announcements
>still no story expansion announcements for Metaphor Refantazio (despite being released before E33)

I think it's very fair to say that Metaphor Refantazio did not meet sales' expectations either. Otherwise we would have seen talks of a sequel by now. We already know E33 is getting one.

>>725458519
>People are moving to pc
>said sweating PCfag for the 100th time since breakfast
ps5 and switch 2 are selling gangbusters. Yoshi tried to make XVI into a nuGoW type game and Square had the retarded idea of remaking VII into a trilogy. and they split the audience between PS4 (remake) and PS5 (rebirth). yet everyone's interpreting the numbers however it fits their agenda.

>>725456635
I'm gonna say...
>>725457013
>>725458264
and maybe
>>725458614

>>725455765 (OP)
Unfortunately, I just don't think it's 'cool' anymore. Even when I was younger, Square went from seeming cool with FF7 through 9 and a handful of other mature JRPG's, to fucking Tidus laughing and Kingdom Hearts. Now, while those games themselves are good, the optics to the normal population didn't exactly scream cool. We went from a guy with a giant sword to a kid holding a key joking around with Donald and Goofy. And from that point on, Square continued to make games that seemed more out there, cringe, and weird. Not to mentioned that for over a decade, their releases of tent-pole games have taken so long that they kill most of the games hype before it ever releases (KH3, FF7 Remake, KH4 ongoing...).

The thing is, Rebirth is a good game. Is it perfect? No. But it's a masterpiece compared to the type of shit people say is 'good' these days. But something about it obviously doesn't resonate with the majority of gamers, and I have to imagine it has something to do with Square's reputation at this point more than the game itself. It's like people avoid their games out of fear of being cringe.

It's much easier to just stream yourself playing the latest online shooter and act cool.

>>725458610
>Same, FF9 was so imaginative and fun, I miss that square.
It was quite literally the opposite of imaginative.
It was a world class tour of regurgitation and the (true) beginning of the end for Square.

>>725458737
>still no story expansion announcements for Metaphor Refantazio
P5R took over 3 years to come out after Vanilla.

>>725458737
Atlusfags always show themselves when they are half winning, then disappear again or larp as allies when the game they are shitposting does better

>>725455765 (OP)
Not being turn based, console exclusivity, shit stories, and trying to appeal to westerners.

>>725458831
Software sales on ps5 are horrible. Which is why no one does ps5 exclusives anymore and everything goes to pc and switch where most game sales happen

>>725458996
that was funny though

>>725456040
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cMXNJ3zkSiE

>>725458916
>half winning

>>725457813
It wouldn't make sense for FF9 to come out today. They have explicitly said in interviews that they had come to understand that the future of FF and JRPGs was Jpop boys in sci-fi adventures so they wanted to make one last love letter to the old era of the franchise and the broader genre to that point as we collectively turned the corner. FF9 only has a place at the turn of the millennium and in your nostalgia for that time

>>725458932
>Software sales on ps5 are horrible.
they are literally great. Square enix sales projections are objectively retarded and pointless. im not even defending the games or the PS5. this is just a pointless content creator discussion mill with no substance. as i said above why should i care that it was 4 and not 6 million. the games cost 200 million. square problem. no games should ever be this expensive.
>>725458932
>Which is why no one does ps5 exclusives anymore and everything goes to pc
if you said PS4 port i would have agreed. third party sales are hit or miss on the Switch.

>>725458852
>It's much easier to just stream yourself playing the latest online shooter and act cool.
Are you 60 years old? You sound like a miserable old coping retard. At least complain about tiktok or something. Acting cool by playing shooters instead of ff? Listen to yourself

>>725455765 (OP)
I liked FFXVI. While not for everyone, I thought the game was pretty good. It started getting pretty Gurren Lagann at the quarter end of the game. Clive was not THAT bad of a protagonist. He was given a complete game, he got laid, and the Ultima ass pull was bizarre. I really did like the DLC where you climb the tower, that was pretty fun.

For FFVII. I fucking hated all the minigames. I'm someone who prefers to 100% things (90% at the minimum) so when I got to Costa De La Sol and saw there's a Segway minigame, I sort of turned it off from there and didn't bother to pick it up again. Sephiroth would have died of old age in that northern crater crystal twice over if Cloud and co would have encountered so many distractions along the way to him.

>>725458854
Batshit insane statements like this requires some further elaboration and reasoning, otherwise you just end up looking like a tool.

>>725458916
Seeing them latching to e33 was funny. They really are like that old hag from the Simpsons constantly changing men because of their cars

>>725458852
>It's much easier to just stream yourself playing the latest online shooter and act cool.
You write this shit while Pokemon, Persona, BG3, E33 and now even Digimon sell great. Even turn based Yakuza was a success. The worlds most popular game is Deltarune. Who is trying to act cool? The bottom line is SE have made shit games for over 2 decades. Of course nobody cares aside from gramps like you who want to blame the gosh darn kids instead of your old friend SE.
Also the kids today are much more okay with cringe than millenials. You're desperate for an excuse.

Awww sweet, another baugette seethe thread

>>725459216
I'm just saying - non of the current big time game streamers play Final Fantasy, or any Squareenix games, for that matter. They play the flavor of the week multiplayer game, battle royal, or gacha shit. And that's what kids like to play; they just imitate their streamers.

Name one popular game in the last 5 years that didn't have every streamer playing it? Something about FF and the current sphere of gamer influence just don't jive. Which is a shame, because Rebirth is great.

>>725455820
No, both are reddit and so are you.

Even with all the cringe story additions, Rebirth is better than both.

>>725455765 (OP)
After FFXIII, XIV and XV poisoned the well, Final Fantasy as a brand is no longer strong enough to support gigantic, incredibly expensive, 200+ million dollar video games. It's no longer the PS1/2 era when a new Final Fantasy is a gigantic event that the vast majority of people who own the console know of and buy. The most recent FFs have had insane amounts of money pumped into them for diminishing returns, and now SE is stuck creating a third chapter in a remake series with diminishing returns. FFXV was considered a failure and both XVI and VIIR/Rebirth sold less, and both games COST MORE TO MAKE.

>>725458852
>Is it perfect? No.
It is actually. It has zero flaws.

>>725459485
>The world's most popular game is Deltarune
Based on what fucking metric? What fairytale troon land do you live in?

>>725459571
>After FFXIII, XIV and XV poisoned the well
FF VII remake sold like 7 million.

>>725455765 (OP)
>didn't remake final fantasy siete
>decided not to remake final fantasy sieben across three games and two console generations
>reduced cleavage
I dunno about FF16 but I heard anon say it was gay.

>>725459663
I assure you deltarune is more popular than whatever your favourite game of the past 10 years is

>>725459485
Did you read the post? Before I started complaining about what kids play these days, I specifically stated this is because Square made themselves uncool over the years with your average gamer. I blamed them first, and secondly blamed how games get popular these days. Again, this thread is talking about units sold, right? The most sold shit these days get pushed by streamers, and kids eat it up. I don't care what is popular on some sub reddit on some corner of the internet; I'm talking about the most played shit on Twitch and Steam.

Zoomers aren’t into 40+ hour single player RPGs.

We have this discussion every single day dude

>>725459701
Right, and for a remake of one of the most beloved games of all time that has come out on PC/every major console, with two more games in the series that will have diminishing returns that cost more to develop, that's not a great number.

>>725458852
>But something about it obviously doesn't resonate with the majority of gamers, and I have to imagine it has something to do with Square's reputation at this point more than the game itself. It's like people avoid their games out of fear of being cringe.

More likely it's the fact that the game is an Ubislop open world wannabe at a time when people are growing sick and tired of the Ubislop "climb tower to find checklist" games.

>>725459970
Fair

>>725459938
7 millions back in 2021 is pretty good though

>>725459938
>remake of one of the most beloved games of all time
>according to the crack pipe
holy shit can you stop with this retarded argument for 10 years now. splitting the audience between PS4 and PS5 is not going to help the diminishing returns you mong. all of a sudden Rebirth is being developed for the Switch 2 that's PS4 tier hardware.

>>725455820
Brother, Metaphor sold far worse than them.

Good. I look forward to seeing FF7 Rebuild flop.

>>725459938
Anon, people are not going to wait 10 years for a remake to be over, nor have the time to play 3 long games

>>725455765 (OP)
Square Soft died

State of play tomorrow, part trailer tomorrow or at tga?

>>725460239
you mean you look forward to wasting yet more of your time on /v/ flop posting.

maybe they should focus on making something fun and engaging. big issue with remake / rebirth is that so much of the game is just running around with most of the controls locked. make exploring the world engaging. find reasons to switch characters to use various abilities to traverse and unlock various things. the combat is great, but literally everything else is a chore. when i think about replaying these games, the feeling of not wanting to replay certain sections outweighs the desire to enjoy the combat, that's a big issue. dont lock my controls and make me slow walk or crawl or slowly climb yellow painted boards, it's insulting to the player. literally just make the game fun, thanks

>>725460349
Yes, I'm your boogeyman or whatever.

I don't mind SE's modern releases as much as others but looking back on SE's output in the last few years I definitely have fonder memories with the non-AAA games they've released if NEO TWEWY and Jack are anything to go by. Though you could make the argument that this is undeserved because one game was co-developed with another company and the other was completely outsourced as far as developer duties go. So that doesn't exactly paint a great picture for Square.
I've still got a couple of SE published games on my wishlist actually, like Paranomasight and that Little Goody Two Shoes game. Hmm, sort of missed the Halloween period there. Anyone here played them and if so would you recommend?
Thanks for reading, and fuck chaos.

>>725460307
hopefully yeah
ffvii part 3 kino incoming

>>725460307
TGA

>>725460239
People like you won't like it no matter what SE does. But people like me and >>725460349 will like it no matter what SE does. So it balances out.

>>725460869
Go find a husband, hag

>>725460869
>People like you won't like it no matter what SE does
That's wrong, actually. If they completely threw out everything they did up to this point and just made a faifthul remake of the plot with action combat I'd be interested.

Please be more mature when posting on /v/.

>>725456635
definitey these: >>725459906 >>725460349 >>725460720

>>725460869
>Le female sarcasm
Holy shit no shit you are single

>>725461194
I'm the first one you quoted, retard, I couldnt care less about your trauma nor shareholders.
You discuss this shit every single day, FF died over 20 years ago, get the fuck over it already, you have a lot of jrpgs with hundreds of characters and stories and yet you only speak about this shitty company over and over and over

>>725461287
>and yet you only speak about this shitty company over and over and over
Because they keep making shitty games over and over and over. Who's fault is that?

>>725461287
That is the same roastie sperging in capcom and trails threads too, she larps as some fanboy to pretend anyone liking or being normal about those games are out there to rape her (for some reason she must be present in those threads despite pretending fanboys are after her)

>>725460673
LGTS is basically an rpgmaker horror game crossbred with a yuri dating sim and rebuilt to be isometric, it's janky as fuck at times but its pretty good despite that.

>>725457013
Correct.
SE is finally making great games again yet shitposting of SE is at an all time high somehow
and retards are spamming for us to return to the Fabula Nova Shittalis.
There is no hope for this fanbase.

>>725461287
>WAAAAAAHHHHHH STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
Christ what a loser.

>>725460673
That's because while se is completely retarded with FF they still have some good games
>SaGafags are well fed
>DQ remakes add content
>Paranormasight and red shoes as you said
>Star ocean remake 2 and SO6 were fun
>Octopath
>Mana
My guess is people really want their favorite company to buy square Enix, same with Capcom.

>>725461072
ftfy

>>725459748
It has a stoic gay guy whos moderately relevant in it, not really anything groundbreaking compared to drakengard or dqxi

>>725459748
bahamut is a homo
he's one of the better characters honestly. his whole family drama thing is probably the most interesting storyline.

>>725455765 (OP)
none of them understood what made earlier games good at their specific times and so now they have no idea how to make a game thats good at this specific time
granted pretty much noone else thats made a videogame in the last 15 years knows how to make a good game either

>>725461287
videogame discussion board, faggot. what brand new thing would you rather discuss? go make a thread about it

>>725457646
>melvaan
your opinion is invalid

>>725461658
i'm ready for the triumphant return of GENESIS RHAPSODOS

>>725461629
>>725461837
>Videogame board
>When other discussion get banned
>Except the same autistic discussion

OMG LET THE GARBAGE JAP SHIT (LIKE ALL JAP SHIT MEMESOULS) DIE ALREADY
DIE YOU FUCKING GARBAGE
JRPG NOT REAL GAME POS
OMG KINGDOM HEARTS IS THE CINRGEST NORMIE THING EVERR AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SAVEM ENIGGENRMAN

>>725461632
Geee I wonder who could be behind it

>>725457646
>>725461868
I played XI recently, it's peak.

>>725459970
The game wasn't a 'climb tower and find checklist' game; it had that element, but that was entirely optional. In ass creed and Ubisit games, the game literally cannot progress until you go find enough towers, etc. In FF7, you just got extra shit by doing that content - it was extra, not required (aside for one very small part after Kalm). It's not really a fair comparison.

>>725461632
Ah yeah, I really ought to give SaGa and Star Ocean a try at some point. Of all the long running IPs they are responsible for I still haven't gotten around to trying a single entry yet.

>>725461916
I'm not a janny faggot, I don't control what gets deleted. Go cry to the appropriate parties instead of throwing a tantrum at us.

>>725455765 (OP)
It's a franchise from a bygone era, that's only still popular with people who grew up in that era and didn't move onto better shit.
The franchise cannot get new blood into it, so it's stuck trying to constantly appeal to a dwindling population of millennials, losing more and more people with each new entry as those millennials get lives, or no longer give Square Enix chances.

>>725462061
Yeah but I don't want to see that shit in FF the same way I don't want fucking quest logs in FF

>>725455765 (OP)
Everything they have been releasing has done well by any other metric but not met expectations. Same with Ubisoft, EA, Microsoft, and every other AAA game publisher. Their standards are too high, that's what went wrong.
>This game was better
Doesn't matter. Most people out there that aren't the FIFA and COD only type of gamer buy everything in a genre that interests them. Doesn't matter if someone liked e33 more, they probably also played FF7 or 16 the same year and that sale is all Squenix is looking for.

>>725462006
yeah but youre a melvaan, you are the lowest skill most retarded player that i will boot on sight from ambu/segs/sortie pugs

>>725462138
>we wanted the ubisoft audience

It's not a series that young people care about.

It was found in the past few months that the average age of Final Fantasy fans was in their early 40's.

So while FF16 was obviously a huge mistep (why would he think younger people give a shit about action games), they aren't wrong that nobody other than the on average 40 years old give a shit about old Final Fantasy.

They need to look to modern RPGs and ARPGs to figure out where they're missing things and adapt.

>>725462294
see >>725461623

>>725462061
Like 90% of the game is that shit so you can call it "extra" or "optional" but that's just mental gymnastics. They clearly went into development with ubislop design as their blueprint.

>>725455765 (OP)
>fans spend years begging for ff7 remake
>give them ff7 remake but with a bunch of tedious filler bullshit and story changes no one wanted
>have to wait 10 years to play the whole game

>>725462490
they do this shit even in anime now
feel bad for the kids that grew up on shit like my hero academia because they only get 12 episodes a year and they are gonna be mid 20s still watching that trash

>>725462294
yeah even expedition 33 is a game more acclaimed by older gamers

>>725462396
early 40s is the average age of Final Fantasy fans
your post doesn't address that at all.
the series will die with no new fans, which may not matter for us, but obviously matters for Square if they want keep the series going

>>725462708
FF it's like sonic, it won't fucking die and people will forever be obsessed with this ip.
Who do young think Sandfall approached, Atlus or Square enix?

>>725462490
only casuals think it's shit to change shit.
folks are theorizing sephiroth and clear materia. it not lead to anything in part 3 but the devs plan did work

>>725462209
That's a decent point - but how would you prefer side quests and main content to be handled? From games do the open world shit without quest markers decently, but to do any side content in those games they become a wiki reader simulator. Otherwise, there is always some kind of tracking information in the menu somewhere.

>>725462838
>Studio made up primarily of millennials approach dev that's fanbase is made up of primarily ageing millennials.
Not sure this is the win you're wanting bro

>>725462838
it will die as its aging fanbase does.
it's not getting any new fans
I'll state again that it's mostly fine by me because I'll still get to play what I enjoy out of FF, but it means that outside us, it will die off like other aging IPs that could not attract new fans

>>725462490
Hopefully at least you fools learned a valuable lesson.
Grass isn't always greener, appreciate what you have.

>>725462294
This is disingenuous because most good RPGs and ARPGs these days simply don't sell. So it doesn't matter if they copy those games; it's no guarantee that they will sale well.

Look at the list attached of attached recent RPGs that sold well; how many good games are on this list? 5? Maybe 6? To be honest, I prefer Square to do their thing and make imperfect, but unique, games rather than copying any of this shit.

>>725463418
There's some good sales on some good rpgs on there, but Square has unreasonable expectations with overinflated budgets.

>>725457439
>>725463696
I see

>>725462490
Nah, I have to disagree with this.
But, to your point, was it fair to call it a Remake and then make so many changes? Not exactly, but they also weren't shy in their marketing material before the game was released in showing the fans that this was going to be a much different game than the original.

With that being said, I have welcomed the new story beats and changes. All you have to do is accept that these games are continuations of the original, and enjoy them for that. You get to see all your favorite moments scaled out to the extreme, beautiful and expanded. At the same time, we get new FF7 content with the main cast (not side character filler bullshit) that is most likely a sequel to the original. Honestly, as a huge fan of the original, I am fine with this. I can always play the original, and have done so many, many times. Honestly, I wouldn't even be that interested in a direct remake - I know the story of the original and the game like the back of my hand. Maybe I'm not minority, but I appreciate that my new FF7 games have some surprises for me.

>>725455765 (OP)
Square keeps targeting a non existent audience. The forced faggotry in the games also repels people. I don't hate anything or anyone, but I wish things were more center. Even in japan these games were met with a collective "meh, or who cares?" They lost any and all markets outside of the zealots who made this series their identity.

>>725461623
HAHAHAHAHA Young people caring about bad action slop? HAHAHAHA. They would have had more luck in making a proper rpg or even a souls style game.

>>725455765 (OP)
They pissed all over the orignal design so they could have their gay action RPG slop instead of focusing on level design, exploration etc. with a turn BASED system.

>>725458249
Aren't these the fags that claimed assassin's creed WE WUZ was the strongest selling game of 2025?

>>725463418
half of these games aren't rpgs

>>725459039
I shouldn't be surprised that they censored the low polygon version.

>>725464110
Turn based purist need to get the rope. I loved turn based shit, but be real - these games having a traditional turn-based combat system would not have boosted sales in 2025 my brother in Christ.

>>725464262
oh yeah because the original model was so sexy and uncensored lmao

>>725463782
?
This another /v/ schizo thing? I don't know why you linked me

>>725464198
Please give me a list of which and why.

>>725455765 (OP)
>Final fartasy
fartasy!
FARTASY!

>>725464342
Yes it was actually. Stop acting like a little fag. Look at the art, model and then the dissidia version of her based of her original appearance.

>>725455765 (OP)
>What went wrong?
Nothing. Square is expecting 100 million in sales for each game. Of course the game can be successful and make billions, but still fall short of expectations.

>>725462838
FF doesn't have parents buying games for their kids. Sonic is only doing fine these days because that generation grew up and is taking their kids to the movies and buying games in turn. Outside of this market they're in a tough place. The older fans are getting booted out and the younger ones don't engage or buy the games. They only spend time on the phone game and roblox crap.

>>725457439
>>725465438
wow it really works

>>725464110
ff7 has genuinely horrid combat compared to most turn-based games. remake is just better.

>>725465662
unfortunately the remake isn't an alternative to playing the original

>>725465552
Parents don't want their children to be trans, so they dont buy them FF and KH

>>725465758
I hate trannies and faggots too, but those things have infested everything. You can't get away form it. I've seen my nephew play roblox and that crap is scary. The amount of sick fags talking and pretending to be children on there is scary. Luckily the mother is very attentive and gets him off it and warns of the danger these freaks pose.

>>725465747
time jannies have minimal impact on the plot. it's a more faithful recreation than most actual remakes and has many of the same key staff

>>725465859
No it's not. Fuck you. The first game is really fun up till the giant time janny shoot out. After that it all goes to shit.

>>725465859
>time jannies have minimal impact on the plot
Part 1 ends with the main cast saying that Advent Children shouldn't happen.

>>725462897
Journal/datalog entries and updates that aren't explicitly marked as "you talked to x and agreed to collect bear asses get x/20".
Side quests in FF were traditionally either one-off "guess we're doing this now" or completely esoteric guidebait things, so having them all organized and laid bare isn't really in line with the series. Leave odd ends inside of the description for a town or a person and let players find out if they merely have new dialogue or something for you to do, with an in-game prompt for when you're doing something out of the ordinary.
Main story having a "go here dumbass" marker is fine as long as its not inside of a fucking puzzle/maze (see Via Purifico)

They're great games but the economy sucks rn. Also unrealistic expectations from shareholders.

>>725466113
are you unironically saying that they should redo advent children

>>725455765 (OP)
I just don't want this faux action game shit. I want my turn based RPGs back.

>>725466526
No, if the story can't go into it, then it's absurd to dismiss the changes.

>>725466678
we were talking about the 90s video game, not the early 2000s cell phone ad.

>>725455765 (OP)
Their mythical "modern audience" doesn't exist.
They kept chasing the dragon, and while doing that they trampled over their actual fans.

>>725457646
>bony ass
>lolDRG
Anon, I...

FFX remake will save Square Enix

>>725466795
Yeah, the 90's game that can go into its sequel. Not the remake that can't.

>>725467248
the "sequel" is shit though. what's the loss?

>>725466494
Nah people are spending more now than the last administration. What isn't up is importing. This was even before the de minimis was taken away but that sector is down. Retro game shops, tgc, and some luxuries like bags and stuff are up.

>>725467416
>what's the loss?
The remake no longer being an alternative to the original since the changes are that significant. I hate AC more than you do for context.

Reminder its canon Clive could solo anyone from dogshit may cum, especially dante.

>>725467796
Not in sales that's for sure.

>>725455765 (OP)
They went out of their way to fuck up the easiest W in the history of gaming with the ff7 remake. Like all the people calling the shots at squenix are legit mentally challenged

>>725467796
clive gets full universe rewrite god powers but literally only for 1 minute right at the end. most of the time he's struggling against generic soldiers and ifrit isn't the strongest eikon

>>725459290
My statements are reasonable and self-explanatory.
FF9 was just a hodge-podge of previous FF references plastered on a rehashed narrative. Kuja was essentially an amalgamation of Kefka (unexplained evil) and Sephiroth (manufactured life form).
It was the first time I noticed Square was creatively bankrupt.

It was a shame too. Because FF9 could have easily been great if they focused on Vivi's search for meaning instead of doing their shitty reunion tour of references with Gaydane and Kuja.

>>725461632
>>DQ remakes add content
el em ey oh

>>725459970
>Ubislop open world
This. Rebirth was so bad.
XVI was much better.

>>725465758
But 90% of FF games have straight romance

>>725468391
>if they focused on Vivi's search for meaning
then you'd complain that it was a rehash of cloud. arguably cecil, terra and squall too
kind of seems like they'd done everything by around ff7 and there's nothing new under the sun...

>>725468767
People who like FF16 should not be allowed to talk.
Even current FF fans barely tolerate you.

>>725468872
Retard. Everyone loved FFXVI.

>>725468872
current FF "fans" like FF13

>>725469073
>>725469123
the biggest ff fan community internationally would be ff14 fans (counting lapsed players)
then ff11 probably, then people who recognize "Leon from Kingdom Hearts"

>>725469073
The fandom loves it so much they barely write any fanfic for it.

>>725469073
True.

>>725469341
damn it fails the coveted yaoi erotica test

>>725468863
Vivi being the MC would have been compelling for 2 reasons;
1) First FF protagonist that doesn't look gay.
2) His journey was about accepting his mortality. (i.e. purely existential.)

If Square let Vivi dominate FF9's narrative, we could have gotten Expedition 33 a quarter-century earlier than we did.

>>725455765 (OP)
>What went wrong?
They took the Sony money and left Nintendo out.

>>725469073
Lol sure they do.

>>725455765 (OP)
i really like 7 remake and rebirth. 16's combat bores me

>>725469341
FFN has been dead for like a decade.
I still have several feeds I get email updates on and I've seen them go from daily to twice a year (I never dropped the feeds because it's way too much effort to unsubscribe from them). These are the stats over on AO3.
To combine them, it looks something like this:
>(Compilation of) Final Fantasy VII - 77,421 works
There's a general FFVII tag on AO3 not shown here that acts as a combined tag for all FFVII works, which is just "Compilation of Final Fantasy VII", which has 36,421 works.
>Final Fantasy XIV - 52,562 (FFN only had 623)
>Final Fantasy XV - 38,838
>Final Fantasy VIII - 16,700~
>Final Fantasy X | X-2 - 11,300~
>Final Fantasy I - VI - 7,305~
>Final Fantasy XVI - 5,752
>Final Fantasy XII - 4459
>Final Fantasy IX - 4,100~
>Final Fantasy XI - 443

>>725455893
how poor are you kek

>>725455765 (OP)
I've been saying this for years and I will say it again:

FF7 REMAKE WILL NEVER BE FINISHED

>>725470592
would be better if it did, I dont even hate 7 remake like many do but theyre stretching it really thin already

>>725469684
I don't care about Expedition 33 and IX Is great as it is. Play something else or go ruin some other series then.

>>725455765 (OP)
>Twitter is already farming this post for engagement bait

>>725470592
Rebirth already finished it. No one bought it.
7R3 is going to have worse sales than Lightning Returns lmao.

>>725471685
It’s already been that way for months anon, this picture is months if not a year old

>>725455765 (OP)
The brand has zero presence or relevance since years. Everything else is coping.

>>725458396
Almost beat veilguard.

Don’t care, had a ton of fun playing Rebirth and can’t wait for the last title to come out. Sorry it didn’t do well sales wise, that’s a shame. No accounting for taste, I guess. Plus it’s reasonable that some people don’t feel like waiting three years between installments and are waiting for it to be done (hopefully by 2027). I do hope 7R inspires future mainline titles with its battle system because it fucking rocks. Making all the party members distinct in how they move and attack is a no-brainer. Unfortunately we don’t get to see other titles get this sort of treatment, but since it hasn’t done too well that’s probably for the best. I’m glad that as old as the fans are that the title they still look forward to most is whenever and whatever XVII will be (hopefully not an MMO).

>squeenix literally comes out and says it
>fans still convinced the games were wildly successful
is such a level of cognitive dissonance even possible?

>>725455765 (OP)
not enough hot bitches

>>725455765 (OP)
They stopped making JRPGS