Thread 725511241

What are some things they can change and things they can do in the development process to make FF games better?
Will changes and improvements even help the franchise become big again, helping it recover its lost relevancy (taking it somewhere close to how big it was during the PS1 and PS2 days)?

>>725511241 (OP)
All they had to do was look what made KH 1&2 so fun to play and they couldn't even do that lol

I dunno, make Final Fantasy an RPG instead of an action game?

>>725511241 (OP)
>How can Square Enix take Final Fantasy out from the hole it's in?
Make FFvsXIII

>>725511241 (OP)
Start by not putting fags and trannies in them

>>725511241 (OP)
hourly turd based sissy seethe thread

>>725511241 (OP)
Brooding mc, girl with big boobs, and a black guy.

>>725511554
I really don’t understand why they decided to remove all rpg aspects from 16. They’ve made 2 really good action rpg systems and refused to use either of them.

>>725511241 (OP)
FF as a name has been in a ditch for a decade, anon, and the Squeenix's corporate reports have more or less confirmed that they can't pivot.
>Final Fantasy is *THE* franchise
>Suits expect it to be the biggest and fanciest and make all the money, so scaling down is not an option due to brand perception
>Bravely Default went nowhere, Octopath is keeping afloat but not impressive
>Every mainline FF from 12 onwards has been fumbled in one way or another
Just leave them floundering, there is nothing to be done. Might as well ask to bring Rayman and Deus Ex back to glory.

>>725511820
This has nothing to do with your turn based vs action shit show.

>>725511241 (OP)
Make the next FF a vast open world with a shit ton of optional things to do and nostalgia pandering. I don't like open world personally, but all the big rpgs I can think of are huge open worlds that you can explore and get lost in.

>>725512048
they remake the combat system from the ground up for each game instead of refining and giving us the best from the previous games.

Final Fantasy for me is Nomura slop. It is that blend between fantasy, realism, and Japanese femboys. And lots, and lots of cool moments that makes barely any sense but transport me to a whole new world.

Every time FF isn't like that i just feel like not even putting any effort.

If Final Fantasy VII can't bring it back, it's done.

>>725513491
Maybe Part 3 will do it.

Move away from making big AAA games for awhile. They suck at it and FF doesn't have enough prestige these days to bring in AAA sales based on its name alone.
Go back to basics a bit and just make a solid AA budget jrpg, in a fresh new FF setting (maybe even make it separate from FF entirely) that doesn't have any convoluted nomura bullshit.
If they keep putting out these Rebirth sized games that don't sell they are gonna die.

do you ever use gravity spells in any of the games other than the Diablos GF fight in 8

>>725511241 (OP)
Why are millennials so fucking stupid. You’ll talk about retarded gay shit you played on your childhood for literally ever. Final fantasy and halo are essentially the same thing it was good for like 4 years and has been abject shit for decades. Hurrrduurrrrr how can we le fix it

>>725511820
Based and clitpilled

>>725511241 (OP)
Resurrect the Versus XIII project.

>>725514119
I was done after part 1. I won't play 2, why would I give a fuck even if 3 is somehow good? This is the problem with creating a series at game one, imagine if Marvel tried to create their cinematic universe based off of some flop before Iron Man

>>725515279
I would have been irredeemable shit, search your feelings, you know it to be true

>>725515535
Why does Reddit hate kinobirth so much?

>>725515240
How do we fix (You)?

>>725511241 (OP)
I don't know anything about Final Fantasy except for 6, 7, and 10. Make a Final Fantasy that feels like a comfy anime sci-fi/fantasy OVA from the 90s. It should feel like an adventure

>>725515648
Why are you asking me? I've never gone there aside from some random Google results

>>725515798
Don't lie
Lying is for redditors

>>725515717
you'll probably like 12 & 5

>>725515826
You sure seem to know a lot about reddit, how...?

>>725515828
Oh, thanks anon. I'll check em out

>>725515828
>a comfy anime sci-fi/fantasy OVA from the 90s.
5 had one of those made, and released here on VHS when nobody had played 5
I remember it sucking, but I don't know because I watched it completely out of context 30 years ago

>>725515889
Reddit is bad, all you need to know

>>725515279
Isn't that just 15?

By shifting away from trying to copy kingdom hearts for the combat.
For the love of god, FF used to experiment.

>>725516456
No, 15 was a rewritten, chopped up, and neutered version of vsXIII.

>>725516217
it was the first game i thought of just for the goofy Faris revealed as a girl scene
+ spoilers for bro
[spoilers]Ex-death being a tree[/spoiler]

>>725516217
it was the first game i thought of just for the goofy Faris revealed as a girl scene
+ spoilers for bro
Ex-death being a tree

>>725516551
>trying to copy kingdom hearts for the combat.
nigga wat? they haven't copied KH at all. if they did they would've made a good game by now.
>For the love of god, FF used to experiment.
and that's exactly what they've been doing, though their experiments are targeted towards the lowest common denominator and keep ending up shit.

Hire some white male heterosexual writers

>>725517138
>less than Metaphor
Grim

>>725516871
>They haven't copied KH at all
FF15
FF7r

>>725511241 (OP)
Maybe make a JRPG? Or fuck, if you are determined to make an action game actually make a good action game instead of a shitty one?

stranger of paradise 2

>>725517181
metaflop got it's deluxe version cancelled kek

>>725517138
you're not going to epicly cheese off any FF fan by mentioning this here because I think they'll agree
just go away

>>725512920
They tried that with FF12.

>>725517232
You clearly haven't played a Kingdom Hearts game if you think it plays like this.

>>725517564
God this webm is so stupid and you posting it makes you look like a complete retard who doesn't understand what I'm saying at all.

>>725517564
Nta but youre an actual subhuman retard Kingdom Hearts 1, the game infamous for being considered a braindead masher when it first came out if you were bought into squeenix. Granted most people played on normal

>>725511241 (OP)
give us back party and turn based/atb.

>>725517564
Careful anon you’re gonna make a certain autist fucking seethe.

Is Final Fantasy still bigger than Dragon Quest, or did the years of shit put the franchise below DQ?

>>725519490
Maybe if they actually released NEW DQ games it'd be bigger, there's only been 1 mainline DQ game in the past 16 years that wasn't an MMO.

>>725519490
Dragon Quest sales have been nosediving since DQ11 original release.

>>725511241 (OP)
Nothing, let it burn. FFXIII was a warning that the franchise was being overtaken by sad old men with too much power using the franchise to force projects to push their self-insert OCs. Enjoy your Lightnings, Genesi, Sasukes, and Jaws-Sequeliroths

hire Tetsuya Takahashi and his wife and pay them double whatever nintendo is giving him and then allow them to create the other 5 episodes with a limitless budget

>>725511241 (OP)
Make it Switch 2 exclusive.
If FF17 was S2 exclusive it would literally save the brand.

>>725520302
Would they even want to deal with Square Enix's bullshit?

final fantrans lost the second they went woke

>>725511241 (OP)
>make game turn base
>ragtag group of rebels
>put them in an interesting world or dilemma
bonus points:
maybe drop the psuedo real artstyle they've been doing since 13
there I saved the franchise

>>725517181
metaphor needs better music. its music isnt even as good as p5 so its not even close to as good as e33

>>725511241 (OP)
hire Nasu to write the plot
instant 50 million copies sold

>>725512295
>Bravely Default went nowhere
They did everything they could to kill Bravely Default. The only reason those games even came to the west was because Nintendo offered to localize them.

>>725521080
Persona 5 music is better than E33 music.

>>725521381
E33's music must be shit then since P5 is mid as fuck.

>>725521432
now imagine metaphors is worse than both

>>725520302
I'd rather they make turd based dogshit than anything close to garbage like this.

>>725517181
Atlus tried to develop its own FF7 and it sold poorly. The cultural phenomenon that is Final Fantasy simply no longer exists anymore compared to the 1990s.

Stop hiring 50 year old chuunibyou stuck in his 16y.o edgelord phase direction and writing and stop pandering to the 16y.o edgelord mentality audience.

Idk man
Final Fantasy 17
That doesn't sound retarded to you? I think FF is done

>>725520979
Pseudo real art style has been infecting a lot of jap shit lately.

More AI.
Less people.

>>725511241 (OP)
More high fantasy kino
Less nomuraslop

>>725523230
Based
>>725523416
Cringe

>>725511241 (OP)
They need to start by unfucking 14 since that was their only non-gacha that was actually making any money.

>>725511241 (OP)
Make it turn based. Atlus, Vanillaware, Larian, Nintendo, indies, the dev teams SE work with to make all the games that aren't FF and a bunch of ex-Ubisoft employees have proven that people love turn based games.
Deliver a straightforward narrative, the reason why people love RPG's stories are mainly character interactions and their detailed lore, no one likes stories told in the most retarded ways.
Stick with the pseud-Wizardry class system, no one minds the tedium in leveling systems if you do something interesting with it, just like most FF games did starting from 3 (and some people will argue that 1) up to 12.
Cute girls that actually do something in the game. Just don't go full Lighting levels of Mary Sue again.
And I guess that's it. SE can even make a full linear game that people will like, just don't make it another 80 hours long corridor like 13 was.

>>725521821
what lol. metaphor is nothing like ff7

Will the seething ever end?

>>725523713
This is a white post.

>>725523713
>Ubisoft team makes turn based game that succeeds
>7Ree team makes Ubisoft game that flops
Poetic

>>725512920
Making the world complex with more things to engage in is the antithesis of Square's current MO. They're afraid that their players who they still think can barely figure their way out of an RPGmaker game wouldn't know what to do.

>>725523713
Larian is the only name SE cares about. -ACKLUS got bought out by sega and VW is making an action game next you fucking moron.

>>725524495
Nice mental gymnastics retard. But I forgive you, at least you posted Vanillaware art

>>725511241 (OP)
Final Fantasy was just the PS1 version of the Last of Us, a high budget movie game for normalfags. Even looking back at VI you can see the emerging focus on cinematic moments. The series failed because the third person shooting of GTA and Uncharted paired better with the movie game premise than being a weird down syndrome clone of Dungeons & Dragons combat, and also they were squeezed out by Western RPG developers switching to the console market after PC gaming collapsed in the mid 2000s. Fallout 3 was shallow and Mass Effect was a movie, but at least they were respectively an open adventure and well written, while there is nothing good to say of XIII.
If I had to chart a course for the series,
>keep the high production values, esp the voice acting and music
>keep the story focus
>ditch the RPG genre
>third person shooter is the safest option
>personally I'd do something weird like an elaborate Worms or Joust clone

>>725515279
If you actually took 2 seconds to do some research, you would know versus XIII was a huge mess. Nomura got kicked off for a good reason

>>725511241 (OP)
final fantasy is what zoomers call uncslop. It's a dead horse

>>725521583
what the absolute dogshit is that?

>>725512920
Also get rid of the fucking Japanese uwu-kawaii lotsa zoom in overacting shit cutscenes and cut the amount. Watching FFXIII cutscenes and Remake/Rebirth, damn they're so different.
Like holy shit it's like they forgot how to condense stories anymore. Shit used to be rewards as a way to progress the story.

>>725517181
The Metaphor scores are the most perplexing thing in the past few years of gaming
>genuinely ugly visually, despite the art-direction doing it's best
>horribly repetitive score
>gameplay is actually a stripped down persona, since we go from a few hundred unique personas to like 50 archetype's
>story is bland as hell and almost offensively clicheed
You can't tell me Atlus is in a media darling phase and anything they shit out won't be overrated as a result

>>725524687
Why would SE copy a poorfag company like acklus? So they could get bought out? Fucking moron.

>ctrl + f "sakaguchi"
>0 results
Rehire him already you hacks.

>>725526020
Couldn't work. He has lost his authority. Even if he wad rehired as CEO he still wouldn't be able to tard-wrangle like he used to.

>>725526020
They'll never rehire him because he doesn't like sucking Gackt's dick like Kitase and Nomura does

>>725515279
Isn't Nomura trying to make this happen by buying up all his old staff members? Rebirth already got three.

>>725527294
Now he's old, vegan, fat and woke. How time flies.

>>725526020
I dunno. Sakaguchi's interactive movie storytelling is the reason why we're in this mess. The producer rejecting Tetsuya's games twice is the first stone.

>>725526020
He has no interest, for him it’s all in the past

>>725511241 (OP)
ahem

Bring back turn-based and recruitable party members

*mic drop*

or remade 9 already

>>725512920
Thats what rebirth is and autists cry about their being too much side content

Just make another bravely game but with higher budget and you can wife one of the 2 female party members
Sex with Einheria

>>725515535
2 is what the first one should of been, you're missing out. The biggest issue with 1 is that the entire game takes place in the slogfest tutorial section of the original. They should have had the game in end in kalm.

I liked XVI and Rebirth

I am not buying remakes or actionslop.
Make something new and turn-based or enjoy another flop.

>>725511241 (OP)
I love how zeldafags were always hidden till now, I hope tendies can't deny they are the ones behind the shitposting of most games

Whats hilarious is that the whole turn based + input shit is really good and square cant fucking do it now without drawing obvious comparisons to E33, even though they pretty much took it from paper/mario&luigi
The real question is whether they are too proud/cucked to copy it or ready to kowtow if it means they get their shit back together

>>725528515
Zelda fags always had a seething towards FF since most of the time stole the show.
If FF gets good again they will either hide again or larp as allies like they do when other games become popular

>>725527985
>or remade 9 already
they tried and then failed to do so

>>725525590
Probably good dei points

>>725511241 (OP)
ergheiz remake

>>725528552
I don’t want that shit for FF. Just bring back a system like FFX. Classic turn based, lot of abilities, actual strategies.

>>725511241 (OP)
No ps5 exclusive
No 3 games
That's it, they can sell 6 millions minimum with that

>>725528552
Mario RPG did it before those other two and thats a Squaresoft game

>>725523951
Metaphor was already forgotten by e33 being the closest to a modern FF

>>725528785
>any turn based FF or any FF at all
>actual strategy

>>725528857
Someone post the atlusfags shitting their pants with sf

>>725528785
X's system really is the best.
Just wish it amounted to more than rock paper scissors with switching in whatever character one shots the current enemy.

>>725511241 (OP)
They should rotate writers for these games. People can stomach limited gameplay, but not a shit story.

>>725528846
I keep forgetting it exists, or that it was actually a square game
It certainly isnt known for it, I think paper mario has that reputation

>>725527935
Nomura's projects have always been greenlit. Are you sure?

>>725527935
>Sakaguchi's interactive movie storytelling is the reason why we're in this mess
It’s the reason most of you even care about FF at all let’s be real. Most started with 7.

>>725529972
>Most started with 7.
Kitase shouldn't have directed this game. Tetsuya had the better pitch because he actually cared about the gameplay and level design.

>3 or 4 niggahs in a row waiting their turn
>Waifus
>Grand orchestral OST
>Fleshed out towns and villages
>No more cheap NPCs and quests (eg: car trouble guy)

Give it to Akitoshi Kawazu. It'll sort itself out after that.

>>725530045
There was that one time Tetsuya got a whole bunch of Kawazu devs to work on his game, but it was cancelled because alienating people with systems design is bad now apparently

>>725530202
>Tetsuya got a whole bunch of Kawazu devs
The only time this happened was with the Bouncer right?

>>725530045
Kawazu already said he's spending what remains of his career on SaGa games and only SaGa games.
He already apologized for not having time or energy for more Crystal Chronicles games, the last thing he'll want to spend time on is mainline Final Fantasy, especially after over two decades of SE suits giving him the middle finger on all of his projects that weren't related to Final Fantasy.

>>725530045
Why not just play saga then? It's turn based

>>725511241 (OP)
Releasing FF7 part 3 on Playstation simultaneously. Or, at least, releasing the PC version within a month of the Playstation release.
Waiting an entire year to release the PC version of the game killed all hype I had for the game.

>>725511554
1000% this, it's that easy. KH3 with all the boring cutscenes and cinematic "press X to awesome" were horrid. Unironically the triangle reaction button in KH2 was done perfect.
Bring back QTEs that don't suck, like OG RE4.

>>725530368
on Playstation and PC simultaneously*

90% new orchestral compositions vs. 10% FF fanservice throwbacks

>>725530029
What if the waifus were monster girls(they love you)?

>>725511554
>flush all the nostalgia that only 40 year old nerds care about
>instead substitute nostalgia for 35 year old KH fans

>>725530286
>over two decades of SE suits giving him the middle finger on all of his projects that weren't related to Final Fantasy
Kawazu really IS like Nomura in that regard

Rebirth won GOTY and sold millions.
Part 3 announcement tonight.

>>725530546
Yes, they are.

>"Nomura-san is a visionary. ... There was one time when the team was stuck for a week [solving] a level design problem, and he solved it in five minutes. He looks at the game in its completion, it's already there in his head."
FFXV lead game designer, Versus XIII (!) and Type-0 level designer, Metronomik co-founder, and No Straight Roads co-creator and co-director Wan Hazmer

>"I felt artistically respected and appreciated by Mr. Nomura for the first time since I started living in Japan. He showed me his deep trust in my potential ... [and] me as a human being. Before I started working for Square Enix ... I just felt exploited."
FFXV, Versus XIII (!), Type-0, VII Remake, SoP: FFO and KH3 character designer Roberto Ferrari

>"Of those that remain at Square Enix that are committed to doing the work [of maintaining Square's craft], I feel that it's Takai and Tetsu (FFVII series creative director Tetsuya Nomura)."
Chocobo, Moogle and Mana creator, and FFXI OG director Koichi Ishii (thank you based Stellafag for this translation)

>"I’m quite sure he has the most titles with “FF” in their name under his belt. So at least among the veteran members, he’s recognized as the creative mind who embodies FF, and ... Mr. Ishii has entrusted the future of the FF series to Tetsu."
FFXI producer, IV, V, XIV and Chrono Trigger battle director Akihiko Matsui

>"[Yoshi-P] said all the popular job theories were wrong. So no Geo, no Chem, no Corsair, no Necro, no Rune Fencer. It's Reaper ... Nomura got in Yoshi's ear after Eden and said every member of his Organization XIII was based on a Final Fantasy Job except Marluxia who was a Reaper. This is just to give KH a bigger FF connection."
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/543280018/#543287378 on FFXIV director, XIV and XVI producer Naoki Yoshida

This fucking guy. Square needs to let him make games he wants to make and only the games he wants to make, especially that one.

N-Nomura-sama, I kneel.

>>725530586
Don't stay within the dark.

>"The most amazing thing about [Nomura], I think, is his power to imagine. It's so detailed. He can tell if there's something off in just a fraction of a pixel. We'll be looking at an image we output and his instructions will be like adjust this part of the character's eye by 98-point-something percent and then move it to the left by x number of dots. It's unbelievable... I don't know I can do it."
FFX gadget designer and background art director, XII, XIII, XIII-2, Lightning Returns, XV, The 3rd Birthday and Paper Mario: The Origami King art director, and Harvestella concept artist Isamu Kamikokuryo

>"[Nomura] has this strange power to take CG characters and make them so convincing as people. He produces characters as a complete package. Visuals are just the start. He's thinking about their animation, the whole way they carry themselves. Their attitude, how they express themselves -- a lot of little details. That's what makes Tetsuya Nomura such a talented creator."
Bahamut Lagoon scenario writer, FFX and VII Remake event director, X-2, XIII, XIII-2 and Lightning Returns director Motomu Toriyama

>"This exposes one of our shortcomings at Monolith, but for this project, Saito-san (Masatsugu Saito – Main Character Design) and Tek-kun (Tetsuya Nomura – Torna Character Design) covered for and supported us on the character design front, and I’m truly thankful to them for their efforts."

>"During my time at Square, I met very talented designers such as Nomura-kun, and it would be a dream-come-true to have someone as talented (Although we did get Nomura-kun for Xenoblade 2). If only we had someone like that at Monolith Soft..."
FFIV and V graphic designer, VI graphic director and mechanical designer, VII pitchman, and Xeno co-creator Tetsuya Takahashi

Without Nomura, kino is doomed to descend into CHAOS. Nomura and his fellow heir to Square (including Final Fantasy) Hiroshi Takai, bring that kino.

Yes, you /will/ kneel.

>>725530457
I would romance the plant one.

>>725530621
One more thing.

There is no Square without Nomura.

>"Yoshida told Nomura that he wanted to add Limit Breaks in FFXIV, and Nomura told him; "You don't have to force yourself to match things, just do what you want to do". And with that, Yoshida decided to make the series' first "fan service" FF game, and made FFXIV with the "FF theme park" concept."
https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-you-up-for-a-more-open-mainline-final-fantasy-game.745738/page-3

>"First of all, I think Tetsuya-san is a true genius in his character designs and the settings and worlds he comes up with through those characters. ... I made a quick request back when he drew us an illustration for ARR's 3rd anniversary. ... if he could design one of the key characters for our new raid "Eden", ... and not only is it a very "Tetsuya" design, it's also going to push us to adjust our modeling in order to recreate it in FFXIV. The younger FF fans are very familiar with Tetsuya-san's art, so I hope this will help them continue to enjoy FFXIV as an FF theme park."
FFXIV director, XIV and XVI producer and Whisper of Stellafag no. XIII, the Key of Rehiring, Naoki Yoshida

>"Our old friend Tetsuya Nomura was in the team for a short time at a very early stage of development (He said "Don't you guys think there should be an Asian, tactician type of a character in the game?" Takahashi came up with Citan from that remark.) It was fun working together with friends."
FFV, Romancing SaGa 3 graphic designer, FFVI character designer and writer, VII pitchwoman and Xeno co-creator Soraya SaGa

>"Tetsuya Nomura is a great person. I never had the chance to work directly with him except for the test play of Romancing SaGa (when he was a new employee) and The Bouncer, but whenever we were on break drinking coffee side by side, he would always strike up a conversation, such a nice character."
FFI and II game design director, SaGa series director, FFCC, TLR and Code Age producer Akitoshi Kawazu

So it goes.

>>725530720
Would you romance the SaGa?

I have the feeling people doesn't like the triangle romance in 7 anymore. It used to be tragic when we were toddlers/teens but nowadays people want a comfy romance. So you have to hurt at least one character or just choose the boring safe choice of being ambiguous, never commiting (mangas who did this were forgotten, ironically).
I think once 7r is out of the windows the Rebirth team can make a new FF or original ip without having to rely on 7, people want new stories

Would you play FF17 if it had catgirls(romanceable) like this?

>>725531156
>you have to break a cute girls heart
And this is why harem anime are shit
Bokuben handled it the best by having the actual romance arcs at the end and literally just letting you pick the winner
Teacher is 100% best girl btw

>>725531156
Aerith really feels condescending as fuck in the remake, it doesn't help there is an autistic aerithfag samefagging and coping about how big tits are worthless compared to morbid obese asses (since these lazy women have fat asses)

>>725511554
The reason they couldn't do that is because the people who made those games got split apart across the company to fix other games (mainly FF14) and most have left since then.

>>725530316
Most people will never play SaGa unless it's so diluted it's hardly the actual thing anymore, moreover it has the same issue that FF has in that it's a series that has been running for almost 40 years by now and is struggling to get younger folks into it.
See how the RS2 remake he left entirely to Xeen got turned into a soft Octopath game, sold kinda well and then both sales and interest plummeted again to the usual low numbers with the SaGa Frontier 2 remaster that came out a couple of months later, which went above and beyond what people were expecting too.

He said the next mainline they're currently working on is going to be more "classic" and less experimental than the latest two but I don't really think we'll see big numbers either, if RS2 Remake couldn't reach the one million ceiling again like the old games nothing will unless a miracle happens and SE is actually giving him fucking money for the game AND the advertisement, they can't keep letting the team starve and live off what little cut they get off the gacha earnings and then demand that the console games with gacha tier budget and no advertisement sell millions (Yes, outside of RS2R all the games past SSG including remasters were entirely self funded through the gacha, Ichikawa said that on stream)

>>725527751
Nomura is going to retire after KHIV there's not much steam left in him.

>>725531524
SE never letting him release verum rex as a new ip (I doubt zoomers give a shit about kh lore and millennials dropped kh years ago

>>725511241 (OP)
The hard truth is that the market for traditional JRPGs hit its soft cap around 2000 and Square refuses to understand that a game capping out at 10 million units if its a cultural phenomena and around 3-4 million at standard rate if its a high quality game, is the best they can do with FF and to plan accordingly.
Instead they keep treating FF like its still one of the big fish in the industry when the entire "Core Gamer" market base was eclipsed by just CoD causals a over decade ago.

>>725531592
Who could blame us, ffs it takes 7-10 years between main games and this time there's not even middle entries to soften the blow, KH3 was a fucking mess by itself that had to be fixed by a fucking mobage and there's only like 5 minutes relevant in MoM, and that was like 5 years ago and KHlV is not going to come out before 2027.

>>725531683
Pokemon SV just sold 26M anon.

For me at least FF is too tryhard on his own farts. People love it for the nostalgia but nowdays it's just cringy shit, a time capsule of his era.
I think JRPG got a place in the modern era but stick to what people remember fondly not the self jerking faggotry they want to push.

>>725531901
Nta but Pokemon is its own entity that defined a whole generation through games, anime and cards, you can't really compare that to the average jrpg franchise, not even the big ones.

>>725532104
Then what about Elden Ring? It has sold like 25M iirc

KEEEEK

>>725531901
Pokemon is its own multimedia juggernaut beast that became not just a gaming institution like FF used to be but a global cultural institution.
Square never did and still doesn't have the horses to be Pokémon, few games do, because they are just that, only games.
I cited 10 Million because that's what FFX got as a big PS2 launch title with gaming cultural cout behind it
AThe OG FF7 that did break intot he mainstream for a time, hit around 15 Million but squandered the moment tying into >>725532104 , Pokemon had a multimedia push almost out of the starting gate, FF7 had the Compellation years later and Spirits Within. And those kind of changes one generally one and done for a company.
>>725532398
ER outside of the arbitrary definition of being made in Japan isn't a JRPG, and is separated culturally and mechanically from the entire lineage of JRPGs at the point of Wizardy.

>first turn of this map the big bad is here
>everyone has shaky hit rates because they have 10 leadership stars
She leaves the next turn so its not a huge deal but it sure makes planning this first turn annoying af.

>>725532398
Wouldn't really classify it as a classic jrpg, it's also an outlier for Fromsoft's doing.

>>725532972
oops, wrong thread

>>725511241 (OP)
Stop trying to appeal to Kpop fans and start trying to appeal to JRPG fans.

FF used to be the masters of villains, and there hasn't been a truly memorable FF villain in years and years.

If they made a proper RPG, with a proper fucking SINGULAR VILLAIN again, I think they'd be fully relevant again. Not completely on top, that's impossible, but relevant again.

>>725531901
>>725532398
>Pokemon
>Elden Ring

"Not quite RPGs" Shigeru Miyamoto predicted in 1997 that JRPGs had hit an audience peak and that new kinds of RPGs would replace them.

>>725535615
True. Just let them ruin Sephiroth first.

>>725511241 (OP)
IT CANT IT WAS ALWAYS A BAD COMPANY WHO JUST GOT LUCKY IN THE 90S AND THEN REMAINED COMPLETELY STAGNANT UNABLE TO INNOVATE AND WAS INEVITABLE LEFT BEHIND
AS SOON AS NOSTALGIA FAGS FUCK OFF AND AS SOON AS AI CHAT BOTS CAN GENERATE ENTIRE 2D RPGS FROM A SIMPLE PROMPT, THEY WILL BE FORGOTTEN

>>725535615
>and there hasn't been a truly memorable FF villain in years and years.
Was Kuja the last one (even though Brahne and Garland also count as villains)?
>Seymour dies midway into FFX and turns into seething ghost you fight two more times, but he does jack shit after becoming Unsent; Yu Yevon and Sin had no personality
>FFXI and FFXIV are MMORPGs and don't have singular villains, they have several per add-on (but yes, Emet is memorable)
>Vane was a joke
>I have never played FFXIII and it's a trilogy so I assume it had several forgettable villains
>Ardyn was a joke
>never played FFXVI either but I heard only bad stuff about its Big Bad

>>725535615
Please, the only decent villains in the series have been EMPRAH, Exdeath and maybe Caius

>>725511241 (OP)
Final Fantasy 7 Remake was the do-or-die moment for the mainline series. And Square Enix chose to die on a hill of tricking hopeful fans who've wanted a 7 remake for so many years, preemptively shitting on them for likely not being happy about being tricked, AND expecting to still milk them for at least two more full-price parts.

>>725511241 (OP)
kill kitase, nomura and nojima

>>725511820
>hourly turd based sissy seethe thread
This.

The seething and coping is currently increasing exponentially, because the FF7R Part 3 reveal trailer is being released pretty soon.

>>725531365
Tabata also fired half of them anyway. They were the reason Nomura was given the assignment to direct KH1. They would not make the Disney game unless Square made Nomura director like they demanded. He was their best friend/sempai since FF7/8.

>>725511241 (OP)
The latest game is the highest rated by both critics and fans in over 20 years. No, your cultist XIV garbage with 20 reviews doesn't count. Despite the declining sales, only DQ and Pokemon outsell it in Japan.

>>725515157
There's a boss on Disc 4 of FF8 whose gimmick is maxed defences but only average HP, gravity spells wreck him. Strangely, he doesn't react to the status effect that neutralizes his defence stats, but will comment on the effectiveness of literally every other attack you throw at him.

>>725532624
You know it's bad when the only way metaphor can be brought is by seething at other games anon

>>725540170
>do-or-die
You know, I never saw this. Did Hamaguchi or Toriyama say if Remake fails Square's dead like Tabata did when XV needed 10 million sales to ensure FF had a future?

>>725511241 (OP)
They have to come crawling back to turn based GODS. They haven't had a single good game since they abandoned it after FFX.

>>725546040
I wonder why turn based fags ignore SaGa

FF is what saved them and FF is what will end them

>>725511241 (OP)
If you are asking seriously, theres nothing much they HAVE to do. Superficial shit like "muh turn based, muh good story muh good music" doesnt fix anything, like, whats that supposed to mean? "just make good music bro" oh jeeez i bet SE was purposlesly making bad music, thanks for the advice.
Exploring the ARPG genre is ok, and the stories are well told enough. Music + graphics combination is also done well, so nothing about this need changing imo.

I think that they have to do something simpler: they need to recover the lost audience that gets off on bad SE press. Everytime SE does something, you have millions of twitter morons immediately retweeting everything they do with bad takes, and the press with clickbait shit. And all of this is fueled by ex-FF fans that go with Atlus or other lesser franchises as rebound girlfriends.

So my advice for SE is: give the little kids what they want, at least for a while.
Make a FF series called "FF classic" and make basic turn based games that the kiddies would like. Once you get them back, keep them by making FF classics, while the main games stay as the one where the devs get creative. You'll quickly realize that all of this "hate" SE gets isnt due to the games itself, it is just the kids not getting turn based games and extrapolating the hate from there. If you give them cookiecutter turn based games, they'll quickly calm down and like the creative games from the main line.

Stop having so many cutscenes. Nobody wants this shit. When a game is 40 hours long but has 20+ hours of cutscenes, it's grating. Especially when it's alot of filler cutscenes that contribute nothing to the story.

I feel like the removal of disc space after the FFX and PS2 era made them go full retard.

>>725545812
They didn't. Hashimoto said that Remake was always on the table even decades before the fact and they still made lots of money from FFXI sales. Nomura was entering his 40s so preproduction had to get off the ground because of his age.

>>725527935
>The producer rejecting Tetsuya's games twice is the first stone.
Please explain. I know Nomura and Kitase worked together.