Thread 526723645

Street Ninja edition

>Fatal Fury: City of the Wolves Now Available
https://youtu.be/lHjjlpCoBOQ
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2492040/FATAL_FURY_City_of_the_Wolves/

>Community resources
http://dreamcancel.com/how-to-play/
https://wiki.supercombo.gg/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zg8H1AgpgPBbAdpPdsGC3WRUEmGVajbv2Ea6b-FZ1kI/edit?gid=0#gid=0

>DandyJ's beginner guide to KOF
https://youtu.be/Ye3KVgI1LvU

>KOFXV beginner guides
https://youtu.be/t-mYZnOFxlg
https://youtu.be/cqTpKMethDo

>/neog/ Discord
https://discord.gg/HYAQYFh
>Official SNK Discord
https://discord.gg/SNK
>KOFXV Discord
https://discord.gg/mePUQup755

>SNK Media Gallery
https://pastebin.com/R7uX3B5J
>Assorted Translations
https://kof.eu5.org/
>NEO-GEO FREAK Magazine Archive
https://archive.org/details/@japanesemagazinesscans?sort=titleSorter&&and[]=subject%3A%22neo_geo_freak%22
>RedGGPO and romset
https://redggpo.com/
https://archive.org/details/2020_01_06_fbn
>KOF Official Site backup
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n98CoBR6GPywr3kzyydNCT5UHTwMNW51/view

Previous Thread: >>526125709

Chun in Fatal Fury is gonna be weird...

>>526725914
She should be in the Art of Fighting
Haha

>>526732292
I bought FF to play as Chun. Mai and Rock are holding me over until then.

remember perfection? i do

>>526723645 (OP)
Are you satisfied /neog/? Are you joyful r/Kappacino? Do you find this risible Kyoschizos?
City of the Wolves is well beyond fucked, SNK IS WELL BEYOND FUCKED and we are all HEADED STRAIGHT TO DISCORDTOWN!
So who won? Huh? Explain to me WHO won. SNK is going down, which means KOF is going down, which means Samsho is going down, which means the overall quality of fighting games is going down. IP fighters, that's that the future looks like. It's the future YOU FAGGOTS chose. All because City of the Wolves was set up to fail.
So tell me, who won? Hmmmm? You'll be eating shit for the rest of your life, so did you win? Are you content? OKAY even?
I hope you enjoy the next modern easy-combo, corner throw, combo extend slop schlock. It's all you'll ever play for the rest of your life.

>>526736549
>pic unrelated

ill go back to cotw on the andy patch
there is nothing to do in it desu
i hope they add gacha to it or something, git gud is not enough nowadays tbqhf

>>526741371
Why are you blaming me? I'm not at fault for the retarded decisions made by Oda and the rest of SNK. I just wanted Kyo on the boxart of SVC Chaos, but nooooooo Oda decided Kyo couldn't even have that anymore because COTW was about to come out and they needed to force an rivalry between Terry and Ryu to bring more attention to the game (spoilers: it failed). If I'm happy with this whole situation? Of course no, I want Oda out of the company first.

>>526743208
I really grown to hate his guts. He goes into these interviews joking about wanting Michael Jackson in the game knowing how much divisive Ronaldo and Ganacci inclusion already. He pretends everything is fine when COTW is flopping hard. I hope the new CEO will fire oda, because its been failures after failures during his tenure.

>>526741371
Are you satisfied /neog/?
Yes

>>526741693
>there is nothing to do in it desu
a common sentiment nowadays it seems, except they're still playing their game

Mai holding in her farts..

Expecting Andy trailer at CEO this weekend and dor him ti some time next week.

>>526741371
Kyoschizos won
Steamcharts redditor won
LGBTMAP+ Twitter won

Boomers lost
SNK lost
"Modern fighting games are cancer" lost

>>526741371
>SNK is going down
>which means the overall quality of fighting games is going down.
not sure about that buddy

>>526758728
https://x.com/FATALFURY_PR/status/1931878915943137428

Andy will be playable at CEO (again) so I doubt it

>>526760436
Man, what's the hold up? I want to play him ASAP. He looks dope in this game.

>>526741371
I'm a Scorched Earth kinda guy, I'm glad that COTW flopped after the way SNK shat on KOF XV for it.

>>526750653
More reasons to think the quality of the gameplay is not relevant for the success of a (fighting) game.

>>526741371
Overall quality of fighting games goes up with SNK gone thoughever

Why are people asking heavily for the Andy trailer?
Will it save the game? No

You've already seen the leaks anyway

I'm watching the summer game fest, all these showcases and laughing to myself at how SNK think Samsho RPG and Art of fighting are gonna somehow be successes
They can try though

>>526767657
Hey if game freak can oull off that beast game who knows SNK can do

>>526767657
im believing in the success of samsho
aof sounds like hard flop unless they make a giantic southtown with gta 6 graphs

>juicymadestudio.com/product-page/juicy-made-1-1-life-size-jm003-female-fighter-collectible-action-figure
thoughts?

So close…

>>526771165
9/11 would hotglue her

>>526771543
CAN WE GET MUCH LOWER

>>526765314
Only a retard would believe otherwise when we live in a world where the two biggest PC games are Valorant and League of Legends and Strive was more popular than all of its predecessors combined.

It's time to bring this back

>>526772901
well several of those retards live in this general so gl convincing them of your sentiment

>>526767016
Lies. Buncha lies. You are NOT a true member of the Wolf Pack. AWRROOOOOOOO.
Andy sweep is coming. Can't you feel it in the air? The Andy Wave is almost here. 20 K players day 1. We are almost there, Wolf Pack

How much did the Saudis forcing Cristiano Ronaldo and that retarded DJ in as guest characters actually contribute to CotW flopping?

>>526767016
I wanna play him, but I know it won't bring overall hype. By the time he's released, all his moves and everything else will be old news. They've already shown us everything about the character before the trailer is even here. What's the point. kek.

>>526775146
even if andy wasn't old news, nobody outside snk fags really give a fuck about his existence, he's a midcarder
you need a cool/sexy character that draws megadimes to get people interested, and i don't see that anywhere in the future dlc

>>526774923
>biggest foreign market, center of public opinion and you’re biggest target with the shoddy comic book art direction doesn’t care for an euro techno artist clinging to relevance and soccer
>and they happen to be bleeding hearts about irl blood money connections and #metoo
>soccer fans find the presentation lacking for a 60 bucks current gen game and find the genre dated to begin with or don’t own a console/pc.
>CR7 also feigns excitement in his interview and his superstar status a decade ago has been reduced to a meme. He plays in a farmer league
It’s kinda overblown but very tone deaf of snk when a fictional character would have done better without the baggage

I didn't even know about the rape case. These trannies will dig up anything

>>526776739
trannies are the most likely to try and doxx people, this has been statistically demonstrated, not even an exaggeration

>>526767016
Because he's been my main for more than 20 years and they brought back most of the stuff I've been begging for ages, so I want to hurry up and play him. Simple as.

>>526767657
I unironically think the SamSho RPG will be just another soulslike bullshit.

>jiyuna keeps saying that he loves ‘s gameplay and it’s really fun
>”it’s my main game right now”
>today he’s back on granblue
why does everyone keep leaving us…

>>526777185
got proof? not saying i dont believe you but if someones done a study on it i wanna see it

>>526781862
It would be rather stupid.

1st. I don't think SNK has the skills.
2nd. They didn't make a action game before.
3rd. By the time it's finished and in stores, the rollslop trend will be over.

To me it feels like they need to start production on KOF16 since it's the signature franchise

Make KOF16 fucking decent, blow the market out of the water. Get people to start seeing SNK in a good light.
Then you turn Samurai Shodown into a 3D fighting game, make it have Soulcailbur vibez, get characters from other brands.

>>526781862
I hope not, but I am also someone who liked the original.
It would be really weird to see Haohmaru roll around in 3D and fight yokai or whatever.

>>526741371
Yes
KOF still has its niche and Fatal Fury is being solely kept alive by eSports
I am glad I did not buy CotW

>>526787874
That's what the fans have been saying and clamoring. When KoFXV was announced the fans were excited believing it's gonna be better than XIV, only to be disappointed. Then when CotW I hear fans saying it's gonna be better than KoFXV since they got the Saudi backing. But look at how that turning out. How many times do you have to be disappointed before you realize that SNK is incapable of making good video games anymore.

>>526791701
>Then when CotW I hear fans saying it's gonna be better than KoFXV since they got the Saudi backing

>>526787874
>you turn Samurai Shodown into a 3D fighting game
Absolutely not. It has even less chance of succeeding. Where is Soul Calibur now? Where is DoA?
And even if it did have a chance of succeeding, I would not want it anyway because I love Samsho7.

>>526787874
This cycle again, huh. lmao

Guys I need to come clean. I sent in requests to SNK in both KOFXV and KOF All Stars surveys asking them to make a new Fatal Fury. This is my fault, they saw 2 different requests for it and thought that there was a market growing.

>>526793909
Can you do this so we can keep getting Samsho games, maybe even a Last Blade 3? Thanks.

>>526793909
>KOF All Stars
Isn't that dead?

wait, did the website change?

I could've sworn Samsho RPG was listed.

>>526794505
No, the only indication the Samsho RPG existed was on the recruit site with that image of Yashamaru

>>526794212
This was years ago when it was still alive.
>>526794081
But I don't like Samsho, I like Fatal Fury.

In 2005, during the KOF Year-End Party fan event, SNK Playmore illustrator Falcoon mentioned that a sequel to Garou: Mark of the Wolves was around 70% complete for the Neo Geo by the SNK team. Falcoon also confirmed that one of the new characters meant to appear was a student of legacy Fatal Fury character Joe Higashi.[18] In July 2006, SNK Playmore reported that they were still working on the sequel, saying that they would use modern high-resolution graphics instead of the resolution quality level seen in the original game.

[19] During an interview in March 2008, SNK Playmore USA developers commented that there was not any concrete schedule of demands for the game and that they planned to make the sequel with some new technology.

ehhhhh

>>526776739
>These trannies will dig up anything
You can just look at his wikipedia page

>>526774923
>How much did the Saudis forcing Cristiano Ronaldo and that retarded DJ in as guest characters actually contribute to CotW flopping?

The worst thing wasn't forcing real characters. The disastrous Saudi influence was on the product itself.
The game's promotion was pretty idiotic. Deeply idiotic. I can't prove it, but I don't need proof to know that behind it is the insufficient brainpower of a brown individual who only understands sand and is barely good at raising camels.
Third-rate celebrities.
Boxing promotion.
WWE.
Ads on buses and billboards. I'm surprised there are still billboards, in fact.

It's as if you gave an intellectually disabled person infinite money to promote something.


In fact, I think I can tell SNK didn't want Ronaldo either. Damn, look at his model. Subpar. It's closer to the modeling of the background NPCs than the rest of the roster.

>>526800424
PR talk.

>>526796285
It would flop. That's how sick it would be.

>>526801175
>PR talk
Yeah. As in, Pretty Retarded

>>526796285
That sounds retarded and a nightmare to balance

>>526796571
This looks way more soulful than COTW, how is that possible?

>>526802731
It has better chance to succeed than doing the same old and tired 98/2002 style again.

SNK Heroines 2 would save SNK. Just make more pranks and add Angel

Man I feel sorry for you guys
SNK really letting you guys down with their dumb mistakes

>>526800424
Oda hasn't given an interview in over a month, and has barely said anything on twitter for a month since COTW released. Hope that's because he's realized how much of a stupid fucking retard he is for putting dogshit celeb-inclusions no-one asked for and wanted, instead of actual Fatal Fury/SNK characters people love in COTW. Hope he also feels like a low-IQ, talentless troglodyte for tanking SNK's reputation that was already in the mud before COTW.

Return, we all were innocent
And we didn't care about, desire to justify
But things burn, and don't stay relevant
You find yourself in doubt
We can't identify, these blurred lines
Crossing over, joining together, intwined
Only when and where I say
The choice, mine
They can call us what they want
But we know wolves don't look away
Eyes on the prey, that I want

Outrunning the circle of time, undecided
Fate is irrelevant, yeah
In our hearts and our veins
Starting a chain reaction, they can't contain

Kicked down
Some people don't care to get up again
But I won't spend my whole life philosophizing
I just take what's mine, I'm on it
Destiny be damned
You and I, the wolves are free to run ignoring all the signs
And jump their lines
Crossing over, joining together, and bind
When I will it be, it's done on time
And the alpha of the pack will lead again
Yeah, I am the one

Outrunning the circle of time, undecided
Fate is irrelevant, yeah
In our hearts and our veins
Starting a chain reaction, they can't contain

Anymore, we can escape
Fate is only in your mind
Do you really know what you wanna get out from this
From this, oh, you can escape
Fate is only your design, deep in your mind

Outrunning the circle of time, undecided
Fate is irrelevant, yeah
In our hearts and our veins
Starting a chain reaction, they can't contain

AWRROOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>526805738
3 years, cry more baybe

>>526791701
KOFXV is better than KOFXIV though.

>>526806882
>3 years
on life support lmao

>>526806882
3 more years of Xiaohai vs GO1 grand finals in the bathroom LMAOOOOOO

Bro said cry more
I ain't crying, I'm fucking laughing at you SNK fags

I just wanna thank SNK for giving us the most beautiful, sexiest and most charming bitch of all time into SF6.
THE SUPERIOR GAME

Bruh I posted Mai and killed the thread.
Come back guys, I'm sorry.
:(
I love KOF

>Only 17 viewers on twitch
Holy fuck, even MK1 has more

>>526811265
Sorry, anon, I've never liked Mai. I tend to ignore anything related to her. She's sexy, but I've never been able to stand her shallow personality.

Despite CoTW's massive flop, I think the game has the potential to win the GoTY

Oda would get the biggest fucking ego boost if COTW won the game awards

>>526814513
I know, but apart from Nen Impact and the Capcom collections, the game has no considerable rivals.

>>526814513
It would be asinine if it didn't win FGOTY. Then again, KOF XV didn't win it so I have to assume they will give it to Bleach or some other arena fighter because fuck it, why not at this point?

>>526815496
It will go to 2XKO despite not releasing because "trust us bro iz gunna be DA GOAT"

>>526814513
Oda should count himself lucky Tokon is not releasing this year, COTW will win by default because the only competition is the kuso HxH game.

COTW wins FG of the year
Chun Li showcase in Winter
3 YEARS

COTW will make a comeback!

He looks so young and full of ideas in that pic
Dude prob going into the office stressed now
Grey hairs and everything :(

Those Sales meetings must've been rough

>>526806573
Circle of time won
Fate won
Chain reaction contained

>>526803131
not that their games don't already face balance issues without it but yeah go off about balancing it either way
but hey, like that one anon of ye olde once or twice or a million times said during prekofxv release time
"smaller rosters are easier to balance"
so if we have just a three character roster, we won't have balance issues because everyone will be forced to use the same three characters and it'll be okay because it's snk

WERE STILL IN 3RD PLACE
LETS GOO

>>526820173
damn people hate the mvc2 meta that much huh

>>526817105
Oh if it releases before December then it's a lock, even if it ships with 6 characters and it runs at 30 FPS because of the chink malware that is Vanguard. R*ot has way too much dirt on game journos, these other big companies like EA and Blizzard ain't got shit on the skeletons this evil cult masquerading as a company has.

>>526796285
It would end up like MK1, reviled.

>>526787874
i would not do that with their current talent
their current talent can't do anything of quality from the looks of it
they need to train hard and become seasoned and particular in their work to where if something seems off they themselves would notice it, like jenet's face, and be willing and able to correct it in the right way
they should be training their amateur talent through small games to get them not only better acquainted but to receive feedback on what they're doing to improve and make the company a few bucks on the side through selling quick small games on like steam or whatever because they don't have the ability to do bigger games without too many issues bogging them down
and you can probably generate new ip that way

>>526741371
>the Terryschizo predicts IP slop
>nobody gives a shit
>invincible vs gets revealed 2 days later
wolf pack, hug me. this is getting scary

>>526767657
You watched 2 hours of indie games that look the same and you came to that conclusion ?

>>526799582
>WWE.
>Ads on buses and billboards.
nothing wrong with these two. most companies still do this.

>>526825419
wwe advertising on the canvas no less is expensive
you spent money for absolutely no gain

>>526826582
Street Fighter, Doom and Elden Ring have all done it.

>>526829937
why you using actually successful franchises against
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9LAxmDGQGw

>>526830534
I thought the argument was that it's "weird marketing"? Clearly it's not as uncommon. Point is that it's not that weird to promote video games in wrestling shows.

>>526830780
the original anon said "The game's promotion was pretty idiotic. Deeply idiotic."
he was calling it stupid
i'm merely following up on the why it was idiotic
because it was expensive and produced no return and no gain in interest in the product
snk went the extreme distance for it even, jey uso's entrance, the ring mat, an ad spot and them trying to play the game in the middle of the ple
the price just to get a ticket to wm alone is expensive, and an ad spot like this alone is at least 100 times greater, if not 1000 times

>>526829937
You don’t use it to get your foot in the door. It’s for big IPs to remind out of the loop normalfags that there is new slop to consume

>>526833120
facts 100

i would say at this point to restructure, fire a lot of employees who are useless and just stealing time and therefore wages or at least furlough them until they have shown real improvement and not teensy miniscule improvement (or even the reverse direction in some cases), hire real people who know what they're doing, get them to foster talent that you decided to keep because they have potential at least, and have them mentored/guided through to better their abilities while working on smaller projects that you can sell for smaller bucks

>>526836008
This is the most armchair business owner drivel I've ever seen. This is the kind of restructuring that takes several years to do, and it assumes the people in charge even know how to vet for things like
>hire real people who know what they're doing
all while they have no operating income to even pay for the entire new hire and onboarding process. SNK from the very lowest intern all the way to the CEO are completely disinterested in the work they do with the projects they have, this isn't some 4 week fix you can squirt out for a few million dollars.

>>526824328
He's highly autistic, but he's right more than wrong. I've been agreeing with him since KoF XV.

>>526836846
>all while they have no operating income
but muh infinite oil moneys
you need to downsize and rebuild because you're wasting money on garbage and keeping ineffective people on payroll is no good

>>526836846
>>526837809
and furthermore, to your point that you think i was saying to do everything in the matter of a few days/weeks
i
no
*i*
have been telling YOU guys that rebuilding something like this would take a long time and a lot of patience to (re)establish themselves
don't come at me with this insinuation that *i'm* somehow saying (according to your suggestion) that rome was built in a day

>>526805738
He's definitely feeling the heat. If the stop-start kof xv trailer debacle had him all confused and sad, this has him sweating hard. And I'm glad for it. I'm glad he knows the guests and graphics were at least part of the reason for the negativity.

>>526803734
They haven't tried a pure 98 style kof since 1998.

>>526805358
kek. part of liking snk. they always fuck up. it's tradition.

>>526838252
i'd rather have an evolution of kof anyway, not somechanges+morecombozzztools
something that would invariably piss off the old kof heads because they need their train caboose disconnected

>>526741371
>Are you content? OKAY even?
underrated. kek.

>>526781862
>>526786957
If SNK really try making a SamSho Souls clone, it would almost certainly be a disaster. It'd be to Nioh what Lords of the Fallen was to Souls.

Realistically though, it'd probably be something more barebones ala some of those Mosou spinoffs or that Dragon Quest Dai game.

>>526838679
>i'd rather have an evolution of kof anyway,
You know what? Me, too. But all they seem to be doing is continuing the 2002 combo poop.

>>526839012
They need a new graphics engine and better modelers. Picrel. That is an in-engine Ni-Oh 3 screenshot. If they're not on that level, let alone Devil May Cry 5 level from 6 years ago, they will not turn any heads.

fatal fury is unpopular, yeah. you guys finished or are you done?

glad we're getting three years of support, dlc, and competitive world tours though for a "dead" series.

>>526841831
>you guys finished or are you done?
no not really
6k sales kek

>>526842449
>6k sales
nice bait

>>526842656
if only snk had more bait to lure people to buy more copies of the game (and not get a refund on it afterwards)

>>526838679
The "evolution" of KOF over the years has been artificial combo extenders. First MAX mode, then Dream Cancels, then Ex Moves.
MORE, add MORE, FUCK THOSE 98 PURISTS, MAKE THE NUMBER GO UUUUUUUP. What if hitstop increases the higher your combo count is? So by 50 hits or something, Vanessa gets a free jump mid-combo to open up new combo routes. What if there were triple Ex moves? Multiple levels of EX depending on how many fucking times you mash? EXTEND it. Stupid fucking ways to punch above 100 hits with DAIMON. Increase everyone's HP to encourage CUTSCENE COMBOS- short combos? fuck off to Strive. Here we sit and watch 50 second combos
Schizo theorizing, I wish they put back that feature XI had where team leaders had special bonuses and desperation moves.

uuhhh please play fatal fury city of the wolves
#ad

>>526841831
>you guys finished or are you done?
Leave Birdman out of this.

Wait I forgot that new Mortal Kombat collection is coming out this year, and it seems to be packed with games and bonus content. Imagine if THAT wins best fighting game of the year over COTW lmao

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2481666291?t=01h01m34s
Sajam said the demo for HxH is more fun than Fatal Fury, it's over...

>>526791701
>SNK is incapable of making good video games anymore.
cotw is a good video game, at least compared to the other mainstream fighting games we have right now

>>526848039
It's a good fighting game, but not a great game.
>>526847448
Not gonna watch, but it wouldn't surprise me. Sajam is literally employed by Capcom. HxH is not in the same space as SF6, while COTW's style is. His relevancy and income is dependent on Capcom being #1. He was never gonna give COTW any sort of leeway.

Dead general

>>526836008
Anon the whole point isn’t that SNK costs a lot of money to keep, it’s totally the opposite, they’re cheap but also utterly incompetent. COTW’s marketing was probably 10x the game’s actual budget.

>>526811265
The general has been dead since the split because of the resetera tranny infestation. I think most are taking a break until Andy drops.

>>526854317
lmao no one cares about Andy buddy

>>526787874
No company is carried by fighting games alone, SNK should realize this. SF6 was funded by RE money, Tekken 8 was funded by ER money.
SamSho RPG is SNK’s last chance.

>>526786957
>By the time it's finished and in stores, the rollslop trend will be over.
Not even this, the Japan samurai setting trend will be over, people already got fatigue. Onimusha and Nioh 3 are releasing in 2026, Sekiro 2 could happen any time now, and SNK hasn’t shown even a teaser for SamSho. They already lost.

>>526854551
Would be funny if they cut the 3 years support because of the faggot that spams it. But it would doom their reputation even more.

>>526854715
>SamSho RPG is SNK’s last chance
Bro why would someone pick up Samsho RPG when I can pick up Nioh 3 or Ninja Gaiden 4 or that new game from Game Freak
Samsho RPG is gonna have some shit outdated graphics and be subpar in perfomance.

I still think The Last Blade was a better fit for an action Samurai title. The should've kept Samsho as a fighting game only.

>>526857082
If we think likecthis, who would pick Ninja Gaiden 4 over Sekiro 2? Nioh 3 over Sekiro 2? People play multiple games you know.
>>526857890
TLB is even more generic and retarded with super sayian transformations, and stands.
SamSho is the better pick because it has a better cast and Haohmaru is chad.

>>526853335
>>526854715
>>526855190
I get that the Saudis are having to diversify their income streams because they realize a day will come when the oil runs dry and then they're fucked, but why the hell would they buy SNK of all companies? They've gone bankrupt twice and while the Chinese managed to claw them back to pseudo-relevancy, they're still not world beaters by any stretch

Andy looking good

Remember Preecha?

Who?

>>526861480
SNK was the cheapest, and they were a legendary company like Sega and Capcom once upon a time, and after Capcom’s successful revitalization post-RE7, you could strike gold with SNK. But we’re speaking hypothetically, COTW proved it isn’t easy.

SNK should make a new Psycho Soldier and sell dlc costumes for Athena

>SNK
>sell dlc costumes

I want to FUCK Andy Bogard

>>526872905
Mai...

>>526838679
You KOF haters had your chance with COTW and it failed.

>>526874217
You KOF lovers had your chance with KOFXV and it failed

Wtf is a KOF hater

>>526879547
The only loser here is Virtua Fighter.

>>526857890
Honestly agree. There's a whole lot more you can do with LB's setting and characters and the story is more self-contained and grounded having the conflict of the bakkamatsu era(a rarely explored time period in games) as a backdrop and a core part of several characters motivations even with the fantasy elements while Samsho is just straight fantasy. Though Samsho has a larger cast and a funner, more actiony tone while LB is more serious and melancholic.

>>526857890
Honestly agree. There's a whole lot more you can do with LB's setting and characters and the story is more self-contained, intimate, and grounded along with the unique flavor of having the conflict of the bakkamatsu era(a rarely explored time period in games) as a backdrop and a core part of several characters motivations even with the fantasy elements while Samsho is just straight fantasy. Though Samsho has a larger cast and a funner, more actiony tone and more familiar tropes while LB is much more serious and melancholic.

>>526863030
She was cute, does anyone still play her? I haven't seen any online in a while.

>>526879547
>All those fighting games for the real hardcore niggaz mogged by a smash clone with furries
kek fighting games are such failures

>>526872905
Rock-chan...

Disappointing progress on our goal of hitting sub-300 before Andy drops, but on the bright side we were able to hit 130 as a new trough.

>>526853825
>Anon the whole point isn’t that SNK costs a lot of money to keep
roughly 2 mil/year to include operational/administrative/logistical/staffing/maintenance going by the estimated math, you'd probably be right, but i also wasn't pointing out how expensive running it was, i was pointing out how inefficient (and incompetent) it was
people feel less threatened or pressured to do well in their jobs if they are paid well regardless of how much they contribute or what quality their contributions are, and that's just going off the jappo glassdoor reviews an anon provided
of course with management experience i know that scaring people outright isn't going to make people work better, i'm not that dumb, but i would like to incentivize people who do well which the restructuring would factor in
like if i see you're not doing high quality work, i wouldn't immediately fire you, but if you have been doing very little improvement but it's not for lack of trying, you're not gonna earn higher wages, you probably won't be selected for bigger projects ever and you'll just have to either figure out how to improve or coast on the lower levels
now if you're a deliberate shitfire from the start, you don't even try, i'm sending your ass packing

>>526893092
Modern fgc is full of posers, that's why. The smelly smash fags, for all the mocking, at least stick with a game if they like it. They don't drop the good one, for a newer one, just because it's new. Most of the 'hardcore' fgc are scrubs who barely play. They just like the drama and hype. It's been exposed already.

FGC
>need rollback for 3rd strike! gawroooo! cap vs snk, bro!
flop, flop, and flopped.

>>526879547
They really should've saved CVS2 for next year's main line-up

>>526890949
I don't trust SNK to keep the last blade's tone intact anyways. They'll just make it colorful and have everyone be friends.

>>526897103
this, and even setsuna will be like "hey come to my bbq later guise it'll be fun"

>>526752902
YAP
https://x/tmf68k/status/1932094715496972482#m

just play kof 98 and 2002 on fightcade

>>526898546
>https://x/

>>526896623
The old e-celebs and figureheads do love these older titles and I think they were right to give them praise. The problem is that the newfags that copy their every move clearly do not, they are just parroting these figureheads for street cred and to look like a "hardcore" amongst their peers. But in reality they need autocombos, can't do the inputs and rage quit getting blown up.

The worst thing about fighting games is the parasocial nonsense.

Was anyone even excited for COTW before the Ronaldo announcement?

>>526902053
i wasn't
the roster was just looking bland and still does even with the dlc leak
the only thing i was excited for was the two lane mode but i want to play it like rbs if not ffs with no rev stuff in it
like the older s/p-power bar and half life dm's (aka the red life bar)

>>526902053
Not really and that was the problem. A literal vaccum of promotion and comunication, they really thought promoting COTW in wrestlemania 24 hrs before the launchment would have done the trick.

And I might add that 9000 (on pc only) dudes testing the first beta is too good for a game that was only promoted with just a handful of character trailers.
That's why I still think Fatal Fury still has an audience and I still think a relaunch can do wonders. You just have to make your game look fun.

Dual lanes in all stages.
Breakable stages.
Obstacles.
Out of rings.
Shit that looks good in social media.
Gimmicks
A SMART mode that is really useful and attractive to everyone.
Remove Ronaldo nigga. Give him a new skin, name and bacgkround.

The game engine and gameplay is already there and it's good. NOW MAKE IT SEXY!

A lot of things that are Fatal Fury and aren't. Things that make Fatal Fury unique.

Thanks for reading my blog.

>>526905138
>A SMART mode that is really useful and attractive to everyone.
Or just stop trying to find a way to make the game simpler because it's already only 5 fucking buttons.

I remember downloading the first beta and seeing the menu screen and being amazed at how lack luster and plain it looked

Tekken 8's menu screen where the characters are on the screen is probably the best

>>526813150
Yeaaaaaah fighting games are already a saturated genre now, tag stuff moreso. Many flops await in the future. I think Marvel Tokon will win out. 2XKO I now think is going to tank despite being FREE.

Rock Hotaru and Gato for me
Preecha is a HELL no

>>526910697
Kyo is so handsome

>>526902053
No. By then, SNK's silence had already killed any hype I'd had for the game.

>>526911081
Shit I hope SNK doesn't start throwing them into everyone throats. It didn't work for Capcom when they tried it with the SF6 trio, and it wouldn't work here as well.

>>526911081
Shiranui team of Andy, Mai, and Hokutomaru is long overdue
Preecha can form a weird girls team with Hinako and Xiang Fei or Malin or whoever
Rock can stick with Gato and Jenet
Or he can roll with Kain and Vox and Gato can team with Tizoc and Jenet.

>>526914106
>3 whole Garou related teams when KOF is having fewer characters in each new entry
>Wasted slots for characters people don't care about at all like Preecha and Zoomertomaru
Hell no, you have COTW for a reason. Leave KOF for actual KOF characters.

Preecha has to be the worst design I've ever seen lol

>>526902053
I was. I was waiting for the game since the first announcement. When Beta #1 came, I was so disappointed, I legit canceled my preorder, but preordered it again after a week or so. I'm enjoying and taking my time with it, like I did as a kid. Haven't even started EoST or finished Arcade with every character.

>>526907132
>it's already only 5 fucking buttons.
People just don't want to understand that. SNK games are already simple on a basic level. There are only 4 attack buttons in every game. They dumbed COTW down and it still flopped.

>>526908135
Yeah, I looked Tekken 8's menus up. Simple but awesome. I don't know what's going on with SNK. bah. I love COTW's main menu, though.

>>526902053
Ronaldo was announced long before and I knew they wanted to draw attention so I was alright with it
When they added that fucking DJ, I lost my shit.

>>526921846
NGL I really thought this would be SNK's first mainstream hit ever since the announcement. But when the beta came out with broken matchmaking and I saw those terrible menus with delayed inputs, I knew the game was dead on arrival.

You should having recovery frames if you get hit out of the rising frames on a jump, getting a free max damage combo because there's no possible way to hitconfirm if it was a grounded or air hit because you mashed up is retarded.

In other news I realised Marco never said "master Yuri". He said master Ryo, master Robert, but never "master" Yuri.
?!?!?!!?

Top 3 SNK girls?

>>526935694
According to SNK, they would be Mai, Nakoruru, and Athena. My top 3 are Leona, Shermie, and Shiki.

>>526918996
This.

>>526935694
Angel, Shiki and Yuri

>>526910697
yes thanks for linking the twitter homepage

>>526911081
>the talk list of these three people is so good
lol what, five people out of 8? preecha is a mid character design
rock has been exhausted
notnaruto is boring too

>>526911081
Rock has protag energy. Preecha is great, I'd replace Maru with Kevin.

>>526945348
>protag has protag energy
newbro...

>>526945348
>Preecha is great,
What do you like about her?

>>526945348
>Preecha is great
Opinion discarded

>>526946915
Her asshole tastes like masala

>>526945348
Somebody post the beta designs for Preecha. SNK really chose the worst fucking design the art team could muster. We were denied of chocolate muai thai TWICE, FUCKING TWICEEEEEE BURN BURN BURN EVERYONE INVOLVED AHAAAHAHAHAAAAAAAARGH

How dumbed down will the next SNK game be?

>>526951218
4 buttons: light attack, strong attack, special move, and the universal high low left/right block button. Pressing any attack sequentially auto combos, all motion inputs removed, and you get 1 input supers via pressing the block button + one of the attack buttons. Hopping will be the only jump type but will be slowed down to 1/3 the COTW speed.

>>526951421
me too

>>526935694
Meitenkun, shizumaru and rimururu

>>526951748
Both top-left and bottom-right are 1000x better designs than what we got. Reminder that the barely-sentient, shit-taste having motherfuckers at current SNK said at the Evo Event last year that top-left "doesn't really feel like a Fatal Fury character", but apparently current Preecha is peak Fatal Fury. I can bet you 100% if you were to put top-left and current Preecha beside old Fatal Fury characters, she would fit in way more. Also, the doesn't fit Fatal Fury shit doesn't hold any fucking weight since they put Ronaldo in the goddamn game. Yeah, real-ass human-being that looks worst than the rest of the cast really fits into Fatal Fury. I swear the "people" at modern SNK aren't sentient beings. They just can't be.

>>526954282
It's all corpo-speak. None of it is genuine, it's just the standard company response to any sort of aesthetic distaste.

>>526950543
>>526951748
>>526952042
Oda should be fired, end of story.

>>526951218
>>526951483
I hope there is enough space between Tokon and I:VS to see how well I:VS will naturally do.

I think Preecha is really cute but the game gives her such a weird face. Also the blue streaks are unnecessary. She looks way better without them.

>>526902053
A bunch of influencers and boomers who like FF were pogging about the return of Garou. A bunch of people who shit on SF6 all the time were probably hoping another similar 1v1 game would save them. Not a single kof fan cared.

Big SNK sale on steam. 98um and 2002um are dirty cheap, SamSho and XV are regular cheap.

>>526902053
Alot of people in my circle were but the Ronaldo and Salvatore reveals and weird advertising really cooled them.

>>526957625
>but the game gives her such a weird face.
join the club

Kyo won

>>526959152
his series is dead though, just like all snk series

>>526955789
why would you think that game would do any good

Thoughts?

>>526960030
yeah the artstyle isn't good

>>526959384
nta but I can see it having a chance. They need to release after 2xko comes out and bombs, but before Marvel comes out and succeeds. Being revealed at the Xbox event means it might be free on gamepass. So it can have a period of time where influencers will have nothing else to cover except that game and casuals can try it out for cheap, while no new NRS game on the market means they're cornering the violent western slop market. Still won't make it big, but being a low budget game they might profit

>>526960530
It's a game from the former KI2013 devs, even if it's not very successul it probably will have its niche.

>>526959384
As the other anon said, if it releases in the right time window it can benefit from the IP and the lack of violent fighters.

>>526958230
>98um and 2002um are dirty cheap,
Sick of them trying to sell these over and over individually. KoF should've had a collection last year, it was the 30th Anniversary. Should've had 94-XII, including MI 1 and 2 all in one package, and paid Code Mystics to do it.

>>526924321
Same. I bought it, but I could sense it just from the beta. It does not have the slickness of a hit. Even the old games like Real Bout and KoF 96 hit you over the head with soul at every stage of getting to the fight. Something was always popping, happening. Every screen had soul. They just don't have that anymore, and it's the easiest part of a game to code. It is baffling. If nu SNK games were people, they would be awkward, stiff nerds.

>>526951748
>>526952042
>>526955070
ODA SHOULD BE PUBLICALLY FLAYED WITH A RUSTY KNIFE THEN HANGED FROM THE FUCKING ANIMATRONICS OF IORI, ATHENA AND KYO FROM THE DEFUNCT NEOGEO PARK
ENOUGH COPING. THE WOLF PACK'S BLOOD LUST MUST BE SATED. NOT SINCE FUKUSHIMA HAS A JAPANESE FUCKED UP THIS MUCH

>>526924321
>>526964097
Yeah, it's the idea that CotW a poor "product", even while being an adequate fighting game (and even that is debateable).

It hurts because I really like the "battle design". Feels like a natural extension to MotW -- giving everyone their own guard crushing blockstrings, giving those blockstrings gaps/weaknesses, and having the gameplay revolve around that.

>>526960530
>>526960938
...have you seen how the game *looks*?

>>526961610
yeah because the ip is clearly benefitting that hxh game right now

>>526963430
You don't know what you're asking for

>>526968614
I'm counting on gamepass helping it, hxh is 60 bucks

>>526963430
you don't understand code mystics development

>>526968847
gamepass has a lot of budget slop and this will just be another one.

Why so many fighting games all of a sudden, did the industry delude themselves into thinking this was a successful kind of genre and not a niche e-sports always on the verge of dying without actually dying genre?

>>526970025
It's hype dood. look at Street fighter 6 numbers. fighting game golden age dood.

>>526963430
If they put 98um and 02um in a collection then it's not going to share the same playerbase as the normal releases. MI would definitely be it's own release too.

Is SamSho weird with leverless? I repeatedly fucked up the super move, but I landed it on my first try with a pad. Could just be a skill issue

>>526970025
kind of and it happens a lot
and why i said games like cotw and kof should have stood out instead of try to blend into the background with concepts such as "business norms" and "it's okay when the other company is doing it, we should do be allowed to do it too"
those are lame excuses that keep you from having any real notoriety other than being a poor man's xx

>>526970025
Perhaps many developers were shocked by the sales of SF6 and are trying to replicate its success.

Preecha's design and SNK promoting DEI. We definitely got a tranny working in the background or someone who watches tranny porn

Nah I'm joking lmfao
Imagine they nerf the character designs in KOF16. Angel is covered up, Shermie losing her thickness.

SNK and 1 million when?

T___T

>>526979619
>Preecha's design and SNK promoting DEI.
Considering the success Bridget was for Strive, maybe it would have sold better. Bunch of people who are avoiding SNK because of Saudis would maybe support it to virtue signal

Andyyy!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em1TJubEsIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQS7e0o5qMg
Why would they release gameplay but no trailer?

>>526986395
Obviously saving the trailer for CEO! After everyone and their mother has already seen or even played the character

made a buzz lightyear kevin

as a newfag that only played cotw; im curious to hear why everyone seems to hate it.
in my (inexperienced) opinion it was ALRIGHT but nothing really special.

>>526988942
Because of the Saudis, Ronaldo, menus, graphics, marketing and because it's not kof

>>526987202
https://streamable.com/9nwhev

>>526988942
People got their hands on CotW during the online betas and suddenly remembered that they hated everything about MotW and by extension CotW as well.

>>526970025
DBFZ sold 10 million, Tekken 7 sold 12 million copies, MK sales 4 million on release even when it is shit and keeps selling post launch. SF 5 sold 7 million copies

https://x.com/FaaastPenguin/status/1932633890281361518
this game looks fun, still won't play

>>526996183
we will be playing tommorow.

>>526907132
Basically every fighting game only has 4 buttons.

>>526918996
>>3 whole Garou related teams when KOF is having fewer characters in each new entry
15 has more characters than 14, right?

>>526996183
yeah looks good

>>526983313
>Considering the success Bridget was for Strive, maybe it would have sold better.
bridget is actually pretty/cute
preecha is just a mid looking nerd who would have had diminished returns

just fucking give up at this point. I have over 100 hours in several different fighters, mainly SF6 which I know not much translates, and it doesn't help that I'm Bronze in that game, and this is the one that calls out to me the most.

I have been stuck in fucking Newcomer and Rookie V, fighting against B ranks and Rookie III players who act like they've time traveled from the future after having played this game for 10 years and won at EVO. I just genuinely don't understand where I'm going wrong. I hit confirm into an EX special and Rev Accel into another one, sometimes ending it with at least a level 1 super. But I whiff throws when the opponent wakes up, I can never get close enough to activate a Rush Combo, I wait for 15 million years waiting for a turn to end just to crouch HK them and knock them down, and then when I run up to them getting ready to strike them or throw them, they're just always blocking OR sometimes even manage to grab ME!

I want to so badly be good at this game, but I just can't fucking win anymore than I have. 34 ranked wins to my name, and the game mocks my win rate on the end screen. I didn't even think it was possible to demote to Newcomer. But god forbid this game have a large enough playerbase so that I'm not paired against gods among men. I just don't know what to do anymore except throw in the towel; and I really don't want to do that because every part of this game attracts me. What am I supposed to do?

>>527013238
>I have over 100 hours in several different fighters, mainly SF6
lmao

>>526986395
Makes no sense. They're overexposing the character, then gonna wonder why no one's hype for the trailer. Watch.

>>526996183
Penguin Pack, we are so back! NOOOT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! So fucking back. 20K player spike tomorrow, trust me. NOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!

>>527013837
if it's any consolation, the only people that were gonna be hype were people that cared about andy
that's like 20 people

>>526986395
Why does classic Terry look normal, but default Terry's proportions look weird? Maybe it's the jacket. Looks starched and boxy. Oversized. The original sprite doesn't look like that.

>>526985251
He needs to have his own stage. That's the only way a trailer would even register at this point.

>>527014206
a newu stageu needu too muchu timeu to makeu and weu ahh pooru indieu companyu

If they're not going to make a stage for him then showcase him on the stage Gato was on.

does andy even come with alt costumes

Time for timestamped hypocrisy.

Ranks MotW as #1 FF game
Touts the roster as one of the factors why
https://youtu.be/BPfLpzvC_-g?feature=shared&t=869

Takes marks away from CotW
Says it's roster (only misses 2 motw chars) is bad
https://youtu.be/2t40eeoVYsM?feature=shared&t=298

>>527015545
a lot of people here be flipflops too
me, i'm too notorious for my opinions

I form my opinions based on what DOOD and Sajam say

>>527016519
if only i was a popular streamer
then my opinions wouldn't be invalidated by not understanding game development and not realizing that kofxv was a miracle and that i'm a poorfag who couldn't afford the based dlc

remember Terry Bogard the franchise killer?

>>527017245
would pee over ioris jacket

>>526992767
And all the people that played those games are captured audience with loyalties either to the companies or the specific title.

>>527021827
do you mean "captive audience"

>>527014206
Imagine the SOUL of them bringing back the gondola ride through Italy from FF2.

>>526951218
Man that Invincible VS game looks worse visually and sounds worse than COTW. But brand power will make it sell more anyway. Just how the cookie crumbles.

>>526970025
Dragon Ball FighterZ success is likely the reason

>>526988942
no one really hates it, most just don't care to play it at all. There's a big difference

>>527003145
>>526996183
I wonder if this penguin thing is the opposite of what we think. As in, they secured their deal before launch by thinking the massive CotW success would help their penguin game.

>>526771543
I'm gonna be honest, all I really wanted for this game was for it to be/feel like the original Garou with more character balance and stuff to do and yet SNK couldn't manage that?

>>526896623
3rd strike has like 700 people playing it daily?

>>527025790
Isn't it exactly what they did?

>>527015545
I think the hypocrisy is that people are perfectly satisfied with the fighters already in the market, but for some reason most can't just come out and say:
>Cool game, but I'm already playing sf6 or strive and they already have more characters, content and years of balance patches so I don't care
I've heard as much from tekken players, asking why they would play this as their side 2D game instead of sf6 which is a perfect universally beloved game. Others just start saying that it's the graphics, or Ronaldo or whatever, but I guarantee they would find any other excuse to not leave their main games. Anyone outside of the FGC interested in fighting games is being directed towards sf6 too, I've seen it happen. They watch EVO or whatever, ask which fighting game to try, people tell them to buy sf6.

>>527026506
KoF has even more, it's just spread out among several different KoF games. People do play the old games.

>>527017245
average KofGAWD

>>526879547
Are americans not aware that 2 of these side brackets could give them 6 figures?

>>527028850
They're genuinely afraid of embarrassing themselves up on stage when they get exposed for relying on baby mechanics in their primary game.

Have we reached 100 players yet in cotw

>>527027394
>Isn't it exactly what they did?
Cotw feels more like Kof with a fatal fury paint than the original garou.
You can see that with the cancel windows and input reading + buffering, shit just doesn't feel the same.

*breathes in*
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

Even gacha games have more successful marketing than cotw...

>>527035754
The game with the $1.5 million grand prize has fewer people playing it than the game with the $500k grand prize. That's incomprehensible.
They literally gave the bigger prize pool to the smaller game kek.

So because XV is the more popular game at this point are they going to go back to making XV DLC or...?

I'm only playing Ken or Chun. Not tryna play any of these kookily ass niggas

>>527035869
Everyone figured out that someone from the Global Top 8 is going to win the money, so there's no point in competing.

>>527035754
What about Kof 13?

>>526791701
>>526806920
>>526854715
That's the thing: each successive game is a better product than the last. But that just isn't good enough. SNK is in a hole that it can't get out of alone.

>>527036773
Doesn’t this just prove that people play SF6 because they actually like it and not because of the Capcom Cup money?

this simply can't be accurate

Going all out on the marketing was retarded. Having word-of-mouth marketing like UNI2 or GBVS would have unironically made the game more well received. People like to support underdogs.

gay sex with mai

I would probably be still playing the game if it had Bob in it.

We don't have to make fun of garou everyday. Let's take a break on the odd days of the week

>>527039098
They play it because it's the default basic fighter

>>527035869
Pros are 0.1% of the any game genre. Overwhelming majority plays competitive games because they like the games. Making a game pandering to esport faggotry is a death sentence. The current esport scene is being held up with tape by saudi money. The bubble popped years ago because there is no money to be made as a company. Not even the nerds who watch esports buy products with videos game "athletes" in the package

This man said uni

>>527039098
Yes? Does anyone seriously think people play SF and Tekken, because of gimmicks and marketing tricks? They're games design for the average retard to have fun mashing, so the average retard has fun mashing in them.

>>527041710
People can't mash in COTW?

>>527043049
No

>>527043156
How so?

https://youtu.be/Fk0ypxHwxqs?si=7u3YbNzS6r3UcK-Q
The humiliation ritual must continue.

>>527043461
Pressure is too RPS based for the average FG player (or lower) to enjoy

>>527043656
man, the theme dong really turned into a meme alongside "rev it up" lol

It's time to face facts and accept that SNK's games and their "classic" gameplay-design in their Fighting Games is NOT appealing. ArcSys learned that and look where they are now. Considered one of the top FG devs now with their games now selling millions. You can shit on SF6 and Strive all you want, but thousands/millions of zoomers and casuals LOVE playing them, while they don't enjoy anything SNK puts out. Casuals and zoomers don't find KOF hopping appealing. They don't find feints and 1-frame defense options appealing. The next SNK FG will be "modernized". You can cry and cope, but that will be the reality. I know it'll be sad because then we can't brag about how SNK games are so much more cool, complex, and technical compared to everything else then, but we'll have to live with it.

People want tits in their games

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>527044578
facts
this game being a sausagefest is a literal debuff

>>527044578
>possible second season
That isn't happening

I literally don't see how it will possibly be viable for them to fulfill their promise of 3 seasons with this game unless the prince is literally just writing them a blank check for a game that has almost certainly failed to become as relevant within the genre as they had aimed for

>>527044578
they should just make an all-female game like they did that one time, also void nigger females, lowly browns and extremely muscular ones
>inb4 actual nigger faggots get livid by this post

>COTW is viewed as a pachinko game in Japan
fucking grim lmfao

>>527044578
>there will be wotv' 2nd season
lol

194 players

Fucking hell man

>>527043656
I think this is funnily cute actually.

COTW is definitely not getting a 2nd or 3rd season
2026 is the year of tagslop, no one has time to invest in COTW

>>527044509
True. People can cope about how Strive is so braindead and bad compared to previous GG games, but apparently the vast majority doesn't agree. Strive is 10000x more successful than the whole rest of the franchise. Those people who loved GG before were apparently a tiny blimp in the radar compared to the millions Strive attracted. 4+ years since release and it's still one of the most played Fighting Games, which was previously unheard for GG and really for any Anime Fighter in-general.

Meanwhile, people go on about how SNK's games are so old-school and better than 98% of things out, and yet no-one gives a fuck. Their games aren't selling(actually decreasing every new release), and the only people caring are the few 35+ year old SNK fans and others.

SNK are stuck in the arcade era for some fucking reason.

>>527045560
You gotta look at SNK's track record to determine what they're gonna do.

XIV
>best supported new game, but still half-assed
Heroines
>half-assed
>weak roster
Samsho
>bare minimum
>left it broken for years
>no costume DLC
>shitty guests, apart from Baiken
>almost no stages for DLC, half-assed
>best version is on the worst, most unpopular platform
XV
>half-assed movesets
>bare minumum DLC, no almost no stages
>no DLC costumes
>gave up on team DLC,
>left its matchmaking broken for a year.

So, going by that, as CotW reportedly sold the worst out of all those, we can conclude SNK will either not provide 3 seasons or it will be 3 seasons of the absolute bare minimum. Meaning no further costumes for the base roster, no more than 2 DLC stages, the ring out and lane stages will be canceled or cheaply made.

>>527046931
>So, going by that, as CotW reportedly sold the worst out of all those
Did it? Where's the source?

>>527044509
Gameplay is irrelevant. Only the FGC analyze gameplay, and most of them are scrubs. You could make the easiest game in the world and it will still flop if not attached to something or some company with hype. All the dumbed down games without clout, flopped.

>SNK's main franchise can't compete with franchise that used to be more niche than it was and a 10+ year old Street Fighter game
>SNK's latest release with one of the biggest FG marketing in years can't complete with said used to be niche franchise 4 years later and TWO 10+ year old Street Fighter games despite literally just releasing a month and a half ago

>>527041710
SFIV sold more than 5 and 6. It's not the gameplay. Look, anon. If you want easier games for yourself, stop hiding behind casuals and pretending it's what they want. lmao.

>>527046214
Makes me wonder if French-Bread are happy with their success or if they'll try to modernize their games in the future.

They'll probably copy what NRS did and release some definitive edition with some last DLC characters and call it a day
Lmfao

>>527047737
>SFIV sold more than 5 and 6
SF4 sales, editions to copies sold
>Street Fighter IV: 3,600,000 (console) + 299,000 (steam)
>Super Street Fighter IV: 1,900,000 (total)
>Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition: 1,300,000
>Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition: 1,200,00
>Ultra Street Fighter IV: 2,300,000
Source: https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Street_Fighter
The only reason Street Fighter IV sold as many copies as it did was because it was the last game in the pre-DLC era, so a new SF4 version came out every year. Many people bought the same version over and over again, so a lot of the people that bought Ultra Street Fighter IV, also bought Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition and Super Street Fighter IV.
Meanwhile SF6 just sold 5 million copies, each to an unique customer, SF5 sold 7.7 million. The only time SF was as popular was during the SF2 era.

>>527035869
People really fell for the FGC's lies. I hope you didn't, otherwise you're a retard. And I don't think you're a retard, anon. People should've seen through the FGC's lies years ago when there was this big fight over SF always being on the main stage on the biggest day.

The capcucks in the FGC said
>Well, SF has the most entrants. So it gets the main stage.
So, the rest of the FGC shut up.

Then one day, Tekken 7 overtook SFV in entrants. And the Tekkenfags said
>Hey, we got more entrants. Why is SF still on the main stage?
And the Capcuck FGC said:
>Well, SF has the biggest prize pool. So it's on the main stage.
So the Tekken 7 fags shut up again.

Then one day, Fatal Fury had the biggest prize pool, and the Capcuck FGC said
>Well, SF6 sold the most.
Even though they sold a fraction of what MK sells - a game they never put on the main stage.

See where this is going? lmao. It's the same for saying they all play SF because of the prize pool. It's not that at all. A lot of them are Capcom employees or they've built up a social network tied to one company and are scared to leave it. That's why multiple fgs cannot be sustained over a long period of time in this era. Certain people are shackled to one company or franchise for their livelihoods and status. "Oh, shit. That looks good. I'm gonna start playing that instead" does not exist at the pro and eceleb scrub level.

3 years
36 months
1,096 days
26,297 hours
94,670,856 seconds

>>527045743
Considering how FighterZ changed over the patches, SNK shouldn't struggle to make the feel of the game more appealing to at least people who like fighting games.

>>527031097
It doesn't animate differently enough from kof, either. If you go back and look at Real Bout, then look at KoF 97/8, it's completely different sprites, proportions, style, and animation. Problem in the new era is they took animations they already had in kof and slightly touched them up, but you can tell it's the same base. This does not make them feel like completely different worlds or games, and it's a huuuuge mistake. They made a lot of small ones along the years that've come back to bit them as well, like making Terry so fucking huge and gorilla'd in KoF XV. Now he looks almost 1:1 with his Cotw version, size wise. KoF characters were supposed to be lean, and the FF ones were supposed to be roided. But they started roiding almost everybody in every game.

SNK they had no why people liked both these as separate franchises.

>>527027871
This. And most of the time, 98 and 2002 have more players than 3S.

>>527048634
>counters posts by proving SFIV sold more.
None of the cope matters. It sold more than the easier games. Capcom and Jivers have been coping about this for almost a decade now. They even try to separate sales SFIV versions, but combine SFV's versions as a cope. kek. I'll go back even further SF2 one of the hardest versions, sold even more.

>>527050454
>Proper statistics are irrelevant
I accept your surrender.

I don't understand how COTW can have such low steamcharts but in A rank I'm never matched with the same opponent twice. Meanwhile Granblue has me playing unintended ft10 sets with people on ranked when that has more players.

All I want for COTW is to allow me to low short into super consistently just like in MoTWs.
Also give Tizoc normals' their former range.

>>527044509
I will never get the hop complaints because then you have to justify Smash and every platformer in existence as being more technical than Strive and SF6.
The bigger problem is SNK is a retarded as fuck company. No amount of dumbing down can fix mismanagement. I promise you even if KOFXVI has 1 button specials ONLY, SNK would fuck up the games longevity and turn away people as quickly as they could get them in.

>>527052126
Tizoc can stay shit so the grapplerfaggots who flock to him can fuck off back to dix. Grapplers DESERVE to be the lowest tier unplayable garbage in every game.

>>527052992
Why all this heat over slightly bigger normals?

>>527052992
His hurtbox is way smaller than he looks and his high dodge is borderline broken. muh grabs retards don't deserve a single benefit for playing their shit tier characters.

>>527044578
i played samsho but ive never seen that bunny girl from s2

>>527052992
>>527053619
You people would have a heart attack with 98 Daimon and Clark.

>>527044509
we haven't got a proper traditional classic SNK game in a "while". we have been stuck in NESTS saga hell since the 1999 lol

>>527044509
>>527046214
>>527052707
You know what go ahead let SNK make a fucking kofxvi with granblue rising controls, sure lets say they get 20k st launch which is REALLY GENEROUS.
I’m very fucking certain that they’ll have just as fast of a dropoff rate post-launch as CotW because SNK is helmed by the same Japanese shortbus tards that tanked the company in the fucking early 00s and would easily find a way to destroy interest in their games for no real reason.

Nah I'm gonna disagree with you there
KOF XVI would never drop off as fast as COTW

>>527055769
Did you forget we’re talking about SNK here? The company that has repeatedly shot themselves in the foot multiple times in their history???

>>527054757
Then where are the strikers?

>>527055924
They'll learn and move forward in the right direction next time.
I still have some hope.

Never seen a fan/player base hate its own characters like we've seen recently with Garou.

>>527056367
Well I want to fucking see the results then because EVERYTHING SINCE KOFXIV HAS BEEN A FUCKING PREVENTABLE EXPLOSIVE MISHAP.

>>527056367
KOFXVI will launch with delay based netcode with no crossplay and no PC version. SNK is incapable of learning.

>>527056812
Cmon now that's just too far.

>>527045743
yeah japanese are fucking retarded. 90% of the people online in sf are jappas erping in the lobby cause their favorite vtuber told them to

>>527056756
What happened?

>>527057186
It's not just the turn-off by the inclusion of Ronaldo and Ganacci. And not just the distaste for constant use of the top tiers.

People are even hating on the MotW roster and even the roster of the previous Garou games.

I thought it was something most people already accepted, but it's like they only just now discovered how much of a "sausage-fest" the series was.

>>527054028
they are people who want to fight a homogenized roster only and then say things like "all killer no filler" aka cut the fat to wear a hat and then act like the lack of variety in characters is actually a flex because it's more "solid" and "less scrubby" or whatever their reasoning is
they are like that one guy who played ssvsp in here and kept complaining about characters like mina whether or not he won, it was like dealing with justice tianxia from #/v/fightan who punked out when he met skd when he said online how he wanted to hit him kek and skd is a fucking sticc

>>527056367
>They'll learn and move forward in the right direction next time.
lol the past 10 years they've shown the exact opposite

FUCK IT, JUST SELL THE FRANCHISE TO ANOTHER COMPANY

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

>>527058505
No?
Playmore days were even worse than this.

Man fuck SNK. I don't care anymore. My tolerance level for them which was already low dropped significantly after they just killed Fatal Fury, and making it look like a complete joke and a laughing stock. These people fucking suck. Amazing how a company that had such amazing devs and kino franchises got saddled with the most amateur, shitty retards in modern day. I from the bottom of my heart hope SNK's future from now is either dying for good, putting these franchises out of their misery before these golems rape into the ground even further, or Capcom buys them. I'd vastly prefer the former though. Also, fuck the Saudis. Not gonna lie, I actually was hopeful when they bought SNK like an idiot. Turns out, they were the worst people who could buy them. The Chinese were better.

I fear SNK is gonna learn the wrong lessons from all this.

At this rate, Samsho 2019, KOF15, and Garou COW will be the last great SNK fighting games :(

>>527058909
is that so, i find it hard to believe that playmore was grossly incompetent in the ways that it is now
but it was at least trying to be a company that made money, it isn't even trying to be that anymore
when it started getting acquired by other agencies, that gave it too much leeway to fail and take its situation of new ownerships for granted as safety nets

>>527060890
Name a single half decent game they made outside of 02 and remakes of older games.

>>527061071
that's not imcompetence, that's just the way they operated to play it really safe, in fact, looking through post playmore, i would say it was smarter as a business
its most egregious act was how kofxiii was being produced, and that was them trying to move away from playmore in spite of ryo mizufune's previous direction of trying to pretend to be a big pachinko company

but at least he was considering money, this current direction they got is just bait for the 10 snk marks that exist to pretend that the passion for "playing a game that is better and more solid than that trannie fighter 6" pays the bills

>>527056210
i'm talking about long ass combos. from 99 onwards SNK have been stuck in anime combo hell with each new installment doubling down in combo length

>>527060064
Said this before. I'm basically enjoying it as the last game they put a whiff of execution and skill into. I expect KoF 16 to get rid of proximity normals, chip damage on regular specials, half circles, and more. They already took a lot of the motions like 2x half circles out of KoF 15, yet aren't realizing the games are selling worse despite that, and they will flop even harder if they dumb it down, because the issue never was how hard/easy they made it kek. Ahh, well. If they're not smart enough, it's on them. I made my peace with the FGC influencers/scrubs/posers killing execution years ago. They all wanna look hardcore to people not clued up on how on how braindead and trash the games are now. They are desperate for praise. It's pathetic, really.

They saw that EVO clip and read about all the worship and dickriding actual skilled players got, and they want that, too. They wanted to be part of the conversation that people who actually played were having. They wanted to be part of something hype and 'cool' that they saw on stream or in the "Brilliant Fighting Game Community" video. But they don't actually like the games, and get bored if there're are no tournaments or DLC, and keep saying the gameplay is stopping them from being Daigo. kek

Worst part? People like Max helped push this. And the devs are listening to people like Max. It is OVER. Has been for a while. That's not to say SNK haven't been retarded, though. They listen to these people to their own demise.

>>527061808
And it's one of the factors killing their games.

>>527061960
you're partially right in that modern snk is listening to the wrong people
such as listening to a guy whose only business acumen is streaming to a bunch of idiots who he convinces to get them to willingly part with their money just so they can be put in the screencap
but the reality is max does not know what actually makes money for a company, he only knows what gets HIM money, and that's fooling people into giving him theirs

this is not a real business, it's a hustle, he's not selling anyone anything except his own existence and the parasocial nature of it all

snk is not a streaming service to put people in a screencap/vod for parasocial attention, and its main hustle is convincing some new owners to invest money into it, like they have been doing ever since chinese ownership
but that's not something that lasts as long as what max is doing because of the smaller amount of available entities to hustle like that

>>527061525
Isn't kenny an AEW fighter?
Why don't you post that in /sfg/?

No one wants to admit it, but he real reason CotW is having a rough go is:

A) Street Fighter/Tekken players are not fighting game fans, they like their respective games only. They will buy their games no matter what just from the name alone and so they can pretend to be all about the FGC. SFV sold amazing despite literally launching without functional online or a Story Mode.

B) The hardest truth, but we have to accept it. Fatal Fury characters except for like 2 were never that popular. SF zoomers pretended to be die hard fans so that they could, as previously stated, pretend to be a part of the Greater FGC.

Oh and I guess some people are mad about Ronaldo being in the game or some shit but it's not like they have to pick that character?

>>527061808
Long combos existed in SNK games ince RB1.

>>527062846
that's not kenny first off, and second, snk is like aew where its stupid fans are convinced that aew "wins" because it has "better rasslin than that wwe slop (capcom)" because some of its fans give it high imaginary ratings for matches that don't actually pay any bills or draw big crowds or get lots of money in return
and it's only able to survive because the guy in charge has access to lots of money from his dad's patent business
sound familiar? anyone with only a left brain couldn't figure it out, but it's clear as day to anyone else that having access to lots of money to burn without return draws a parallel between the saudi prince and tony khan('s dad)

>>527063132

*the

I made a typo, my argument is in shambles.

>>527056367
>They'll learn
kek

Nah seriously man SNK need to cook with their next game

KOF as a franchise has AURA, it has SOUL
better than playing fucking tranny games like Granblue or Strive.
Tekken 8 has been a fucking disaster so I need SNK to cook

Honestly? It's probably time they make a brand new IP for their next fighting game. Fresh roster, maybe a guest or two from KoF with characters that can go viral more easily. The gameplay can have typical SNK depth of course because normies can't tell the difference regardless.

How about make something that ISN'T a fighting game this time around?
The market is already getting saturated.

>>527065340
>KOF as a franchise has AURA

>>527066304
Hack & Slash starring Edgekino, hire me SNK

>>527065340
KOF hasn't had soul since the fucking 2000s.
If anything, SNK needs to RECOVER its soul. Samsho was slightly soulful but it had abysmal support and baffling decisions (toned down gore, toned down brutality, etc)

>>527065849
>It's probably time they make a brand new IP for their next fighting game
You really think the FGC would give a fuck about some new IP?

one of the glaring issues is that
a company should be taking what worked in the past and improving upon it
but snk, they take what they believe worked in the past, and end up castrating it because they want to try and appeal to people who they THINK will enjoy something more if they subtract what they perceive is offending/upsetting/disinteresting some demograph, and emphasizing some new injection that they think "this [xx] demograph will enjoy" (such as thinking young audiences will like shunei lmao)
it's hard to tell whether the castration part is due to some internal interference like if some employee was vocal about something that made xir uncomfortable or not able to engage in previous games, or because they saw people like super__yan (who needs to jump off a high building and onto a pike fence to off her ugly self) voicing daft vocal minority opinions, but either way, they go about that part in the wrong way

I've wondered
Why can't they re-release these or reanimate these motion pictures to try and get people to learn about the different brands under SNK?

but jeeez the voice acting is terrible

over so soon? geeeeeeeeeez

>>527068964
From what I understand the rights to the anime works belong with the studios and production companies rather than SNK directly. They don't own anything but the property itself, so they would have to pay to do anything with them that the current owners aren't willing to do.

>>527063132
>Greater FGC
Fighting games require too much time investment for something like a "greater FGC" to exist, it's an old leftover from the arcades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuOw2Fm_w0k

shit got me laughing.

>>527059659
>sell off to capcom
Capcom is having their own competency crisis right now with the post launch of their recent RE game, even if SNK are assclowns I assure you nu-Capcom is not much better.

>>527071031
Post launch RE Engine games*

I'll never forgive the FGC for destroying COTW

The FGC didn’t kill CotW
SNK put a bullet in that game unwittingly themselves
No this does not mean SNK should sell off to Nu-Capcom who is rapidly deteriorating their goodwill, unfortunately I dont think their bottom line will be greatly affected but we’ll see.

>>527065340
>he's back in the cope cycle already
lmao. It's been 11 years, anon.

>>527065849
If you think the FGC were "Who"ing about COTW characters, a game they fucking memed about playing, what level of Who do you think a new SNK IP would achieve.

>>527047629
>COTW already have less players than KOF15 just one month after launch
How is this even possible? Imagine one year from now if not even SNK fans care about the game.

>>527077037
SNK made the poison, and the FGC provided the cup.

>>527046931
Do people actually want to pay for costumes? Why not just download mods?

>>527061071
SNK Playmore released
>98UM
>2002UM
>Metal Slug 5
>Maximum Impact 2
>Samurai Shodown 5
That's certainly better than anything nuSNK has made since KOFXIV

SS7 Is the perfect uncle fighting game

>>527079609
>2/5 are remakes of older games
>1/5 is utter shit
>5 being like the worst of the MS games outside of 2(?)
Only Samurai 5 counts and even then that made SNK even less money than their current games.

>>527078354
Because the game feels worse to play than the original Garou.

>>527062180
The opposite. Every modern fighting game has 30s long combos.

>>527078354
What baffles me is that everyone is complaining about SF6. There is a 1vs1 game right here that is not a baby game for retards like Granblue and no one is playing it. The craziest thing is that a lot of people say they're not moving because it's a dead game and they're afraid of not getting matches, meanwhile I've literally seen people get matched with the same person over and over in SF6 but no one believes the matchmaking is better here for some weird reason even if you send them streamer footage of people getting matches.

>>527083560
When people say they want Street Fighter with X changes, they mean they want Street Fighter with X changes. Not a clone, not an indie game, not a high budget alternative - they want Street Fighter.
It's why I'm a bit worried about Virtua Fighter as well - people saying they want a more grounded Tekken, doesn't mean they want Virtua Fight, just a more grounded Tekken.

>>527080950
The worst Metal Slug is the fourth one, MS5 was a decent improvement over it. Lol at calling 98UM/2002UM just remakes, they're vastly better versions of the original arcade games (specially 2002UM compared to the absolute trash that is vanilla 2002) and are some of the best fighting games ever made. They have style, soul and banger soundtracks, something both KOF14 and KOF15 doesn't.

>>527085065
>specially 2002UM compared to the absolute trash that is vanilla 2002
Why is everyone playing vanilla (and magic plus) in fightcade then? 2002UM is absurdly cheap right now, can't be the price, can it? Legit question by the way.

>>527085391
it can be cheap all it wants, 2k2 is free and sudacans are all about free games, free healthcare, free tax evasion, free coming over to my country a

>>527085391
Retards love cheap broken shit like MVC2 and vanilla 2002, more news at 11. Also
>Popularity = quality
This is so ironic coming from the same fucking general that claims COTW is such a god tier game compared to SF6

>>527087291
you don't understand popularity development

>>527087291
>Popularity = quality
no one said that

>>527085391
>2002 is free on fightcade
>2002 is the original people played back in the day, so there's also a nostalgia factor
>There's balance changes between the 2 games with UM cutting a lot of the bullshit from 2002 like the infinite Angel combo
This doesn't change the fact that 2002 is one of the ugliest fighting games ever made with earrape songs and broken balance. Playmore did a damn good job fixing their own mess with UM.

collab with doro

>>527081124
> Because the game feels worse to play than the original Garou.

Garou fans will say this, but will still recognize CotW as a "Garou" game.

These "SNK fans" just don't like the Garou gameplay and system mechanics.

How can I get her to say something other than "Arigato Mamahaha" when she wins

Cute

>>527096893
mai shoud stop trying
andy is le gae

>>527097237
the fact Andy gets scared means they had sex

I'll be there when Rock married Hotaru
In COTW 2.

>>527091183
If you don't like Garou gameplay, you are not a true SNK fan.
If you don't like KoF, you are not a true SNK fan.
If you don't like Samsho, you are not a true SNK fan.
If you don't like SNK heroines, you are not a true SNK fan.
If you don't like Last Blade, you are not a true SNK fan.
If you don't like Neo Geo Coli, you are not a true SNK fan.
If you don't like KoF Maximum- YUCK, fuck. No, you get a free pass to hate this one.
If you don't like City of the Wolves, you are not a true SNK fan. Even worse, you are NOT a member of the Wolf Pack. Not even the newly open Penguin Pack.
/neog/ is FULL of fake SNK fans.

>>527091183
It's a Garou game in the sense that it uses its characters and systems but otherwise the movement and stuff just feel worse in COTW.

https://www.twitch.tv/idom_ny
NLBC is going on and iDom just said Go1 told him Marco's overhead is reactable. No way you're reacting to that shit on consoles

>>527099575
king of the monsters bros... we are forgotten...

>>527099575
I don't DISLIKE Cotw, it's just a sequel that doesn't meet the feel of its predecessor.

>>527046557
It was their glory days

>>527099575
>>527099990
It's fucking over Burning Fight bros...

how faaast are we going, wolf pack?!

is this wolf pack and awooo things something snk has used in marketing material? because I swear I only hear about it from people shitposting

Its only from the shitposting. I love it, it's funny

>>527102542
CR7 clears

"Katsuhiro Harada Was So Stressed Due To Tekken 4’s Criticism That He Left Namco For A Year"

Oda needs that break soon.

>>527103889
I mean, I get it, but it would've been funnier if it was official

>>527104128
Bbb-ut rapenaldo!

>>526723645 (OP)
How do vets of the series like cotw vs for example kof xv. I am new to snk games (only played sf 4-5-6) and enjoying it, but wondering

>>527103774
if snk used this 'wolfpack' shit seriously i bet it would have been more successful than any other the other shit that theyve tried

the terry shitposter had the power to save the snk... awoooo

>>527102542
I find this guy a LOT more likeable than Christiano Ronaldo.

>>527099575
Cringe

KOF Maximum impact sucked?

kofmira bjenet was super hot unlike our current tranny

>>527126460
You ain't wrong. They got the jiggle physics spot on kek

Ken will save COTW

>>checks steamcharts
Holy shit LOL

>>527109301
City of the Wolves is the better game, but both are too 1 hit into long combo-centric.

>>527083560
>Every modern fighting game has 30s long combos.
People put up with them because of the nostalgia and the IP. kek. Just like they put up with bad netcode and matchmaking, but will crucify every non-mainstream IP with bad netcode and matchmaking. You fags still don't get how strong branding and fanboyism is these days, do you. There's no helping you cretins.

>>527083771
This. He doesn't get it's the fucking IP the FGC likes, not fighting games in general. It's not the arcade era anymore, where people would say like 'oh shit. a new fighter. looks cool. let me buy it'. Those days are over.

Although I think Virtua Fighter will be alright since they're doing a good job of building up a community plus you have RGG who have a good track record with the Yakuza series so as a consumer you have confidence.

SNK hasn't done that. The community they're trying to build is full of normies who like some random DJ and Ronaldo.

Casuals don't want to deal with motion inputs in fighting games but they are ok with them in their soccer games. They could make a new Super Sidekicks with SNK characters and technical inputs without dealing with the mental retardation of the FGC.

>>527137934
This new cope of FIFA having motion inputs is hilarious because it's by people who have never played the game.

I remember the intense rivalry between PES and FIFA, and how PES was dethroned because FIFA kept looking better graphically with much better menus and animations with every successive installment.
Funny to see SNK repeating decades old mistakes to this day.

>>527137834
>building a community
Nobody is playing R.E.V.O and they won’t. The game will sell because they’re banking on cutting edge graphics with WWE aesthetics to lure in the normalcattle. Unlike retarded SNK marketing a cartoony game with anime story in Wrestlemania. Tranny Strive didn’t build a community either, they made “Anime The Fighting Game” when Anime’s popularity exploded during COVID.

>re engine
>terry shitposter as the marketing chief
>no guests
would we be sellin, wolf pack?

>>527138129
Almost every gamer has played FIFA in their lives at least once. Everything is cope, and it is the perfect example of motion inputs not being the reason casuals don't play fgs. Nobody wants to admit that
>the FGC is cucked
>the FGC is disgustingly dishonest
>the FGC is corrupt
>The games just aren't as good, comparatively, as before, and are lazily made.

>>527139650
Yep. And there are several parallels to SNK and the rest. AEW vs WWE. PES vs FIFA. PS1 vs Saturn. Hype and presentation won every single time.

>thinking Capcom cares about SNK ips
Lol SNK’s intellectual properties are so worthless nobody will come to buy them, they will have to open an auction and even that might not work, they will sell their characters one by one instead of the whole franchise, and companies will have to pick the ones they like, Capcom might be interested in Mai and Kyo, but that’s the most you’re gonna get.
Who could believe that Metal Slug was one day a mainstream ip popular all over the world, SNK ran themselves to the ground. Meanwhile Capcom managed to make RE go from fixed camera resource management zombie game to an elite AAA franchise instead of giving up and saying the ip can’t make it to 3D.

>>527078354
That’s like you asking why “Rival Schools 3 has less players than an older Street Fighter title?”
Think about it hard and you will find the answer.

>>527140126
100%

Konami has no developers anymore after Kojima left, but they managed to release
Silent Hill 2 demake
Suikoden remaster
MGS 3 remake
Silent Hill f
In two years.

>SNK in 9 years
KOFXIV
SAMSHO 2019
KOFXV
COTW

Pathetic.

>>527142435
can snk even be saved? lets say samsho rpg ends up being an actual aaa and a success
aof is kinda doomed since it will be the next game released after fatal flop+forgotten ip+nobody will even check it out unless it ends up being a masterpiece (nope)
2 bad ones
1 good (hopefuly)
and thats it
will there be enough blood money for more tries?

>>527143119
Blood money will only fund the samsho rpg and MAYBE kofxvi if the prince is really a fan as the rumors said.
So yes samshow rpg is ther last chance, if it manages to be good, it might paves the way for kofxvi like how re7 paved the way for capcom’s other ips. But you have to make something really good, and I doubt they can.

>>527143119
It CAN be saved. What they need is a massive company shift. Get rid of the old heads. Get rid of the current vanguard. Bring in new people with new ideas. Shun'ei was a massive failure of a character because it was old fucks spitballing what young people want, instead of young people designing something for young people. SNK needs new blood ASAP.
And this goes for every fighting game out there, but we need more shake-ups. More boldness. More kosuges with fresh mechanics. I fucking hate the idea of a shared lifebar but at least Tokon is trying something new. We need more of this.
I'd say go with KOF for sales purposes, but sneak in some small stupid IP to test the waters. Something akin to SNK Heroines: reused assets with some gameplay twist. Maybe "Neo Geo All Stars" to reuse models, or some stupid shit like that.

>>527144268
Don’t kick old heads their experience is valuable, but bring young people to lead them. Miyazaki came and lead Fromsoftware in a new direction, the company didn’t restructure or anything, he took their expertise and put into something better. The team who made COTW, made good gameplay, but shat the bed in everything else.

>>527137834
SNK's good will died when they went Pachinko and never recovered when they came back on the scene going full (ugly) 3D and abandoning 2D sprites.

I know a lot of people get mad at KOFXIII fans for pointing this out but I think they are right. It's hard even for casuals to stomach the visuals going from KOFXIII to modern SNK and I think it did irreparable PR damage.

Cancel aof
Go for svc2
Don't compete with capcom, let them help you get out this doomhole

>>527142435
There are also some parallel between Konami and SNK. Konami wanted to go full pachinko company around the late 00s to early 10s, the same time period that SNK was also thinking the same. And yet Konami was still able to make games that at least look like a current era game with SH2 remake, SHf and the MGS3 Remake.

>>527145143
Those old heads are the reason SNK went bankrupt in the first place and wanted the company to shift to pachinko.so good riddance to them.

going by all the comments and my previous comments about oda
i wonder who this former employee lady could be referring to...! it is a mystery

But what's stopping the Saudi's poaching workers from other companies?

Lets say I'm working for Bandai, a good 3D artist, SNK come offering me a higher salary, I wouldn't take the job?

>>527146649
makes sense that they dont accept niggers rofl

>>527146889
do you know what showa is or does everything translate to nigger to you

anyway showa in that context means that the person has an old fashioned mindset
and i've been saying that snk and especially one person in particular has that kind of attitude
but who could it be hmm a mystery

Wow it was sure worth putting these shitters in the game instead of characters people actually fucking wanted. Retard company, man.

>>527146376
Gaming is a side business to Konami, and they still manage to make better games than SNK lol.

>>527145143
mentorship is a great idea and i stress it a lot
but if it is misguided by incompetence or out of touch biases it can really warp a person's growth in the company if not just stifle it
and if their experience is not useful then you might as well can them and send them on their way with a sev pack

3
YEARS
OF
SUPPORT

of life support*

Fatal Failure: Pity of the Wolves!

Now I've got that out of the way. The some of the DJ and OST in the game are absolutely based. I went from thinking they were OK, to good, to loving a few of them. I put Mind of a Warrior on Mai's stage, and Galaxy on Billy's stage, and it made them way better. Music goes a long way.

Best tracks in the game, imo:
#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q0ZvpVq798

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9-LKHnIcrY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgnPznG48M8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1yZ6uVKFZM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geQUMOJB_yU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBXrAvwElOc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D0SlZMjBNk

>>527146957
That retard's always saying nigger nigger nigger. He's obsessed with them (or self hating). Look up who was defending Ronaldo and other garbage, and it was him. kek.

>>527145372
>Fire sale to recoup the massive losses COTW cost
Tragic

>>527144268
>Get rid of the old heads. Get rid of the current vanguard.
The new heads made the worst models, made the worst music, and designed Shun'ei. Go on skill and quality, not old vs new. Nu SNK hired all fresh faced college students in 2015, and most of their modeling and creativity has been exactly what you're saying is trash.

>>527156391
>The new heads made the worst models
and who hired them and were in charge of QCing them
like you said, i would look for people with talent, but you really have to be aware of what to look for in talent and not just hire someone who dabbled in the activity and knows the basics of how to do something unless you're hiring someone you're gonna train from the ground up

>>527154482
I don't think they can even mentor the new hires since most of SNK's original developers themselves have very little experience in 3d game development. They need to hire people with 10+ years experience in 3d game development to help develop games and mentor the new hires.

>>527143941
>So yes samshow rpg is ther last chance, if it manages to be good, it might paves the way for kofxvi like how re7 paved the way for capcom’s other ips
There's a difference, though. Capcom's non fighting division created a whole new engine that was AAA and could almost compete with the likes of Rockstar when it comes to fidelity. SNK does not have a new engine, they're gonna continue to use Unreal, as far as we know. And they are not good at optimizing that at all. They had to nerf the PS4 version of COTW and take out all these NPCs and minor filters just to get it to run. Meanwhile, games like Resi 3 remake, DMC5, Ghost of Tsushima run fine on the PS4, yet make even the PS5 version of COTW look dated as fuck. They will not be able to compete without a new engine and better everything in every department, except gameplay. Gameplay is their best asset.

>>527156679
>I don't think they can even mentor the new hires since most of SNK's original developers themselves have very little experience in 3d game development
part of what i was referring to, but oda also just has this nostalgic bias that keeps him from ever getting over himself and thus he comes off as a guy who gets in his own way
so, he's not particularly useful for management of anything, so i'd toss him out of my roster and hire cm punk

>>527156638
>and who hired them
You didn't talk about who hired them. You said hire new people. They did and they suck. I guarantee if the old Cap/SNK guard currently working at Dimps were at Nu SNK, the games would be 10x better.

>>527145372
I bought it full price, but cotw needs a sale, badly. It's a huge risk, but selling at a loss is better than not selling any, and you then have more chance of people buying future dlc. When SFV flopped, Capcom almost immediately put it on sale over and over. I never bought it even when it was 3 dollars, but it helped the game.

>>527157092
>You didn't talk about who hired them.
of course i didn't talk about who hired them in that post since it wasn't mine to begin with
but i regularly talk about the people in charge and frequently talk about the lack of people up top being able to tell who is a good hire for the jobs necessary to complete a mission
and this is me previously going by, and still going by even now, the idea that none of their work is qc'd properly and they ship games with quality issues that should have been addressed before it hit production

https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/official/fatalfury-cotw/usagerate/
https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/official/fatalfury-cotw/matchupmatrix/matchup-arcade.html
To the surprise of fucking nobody Kain is still the absolute best character in the game by a country mile. Preecha has started to shit the bed instead of the street, too.

>>527156843
SNK did made an in house engine for KOFXIV but abandoned it after Heroines. I guess that engine lacked a lot of essential plug-ins and features that made it lackluster. Hence they moved to Unreal.

>>527158976
>Mai and B.Janet on the rise
Soul wins.

>>527158976
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?
ALL THAT SHILLING AND COCKSUCKING FOR THIS?
ODA, ODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>527158976
Tizoc meta next patch
Trust the plan

>>527158976
>>527165929
Just delete Ronaldo niggas

>>527158976
Honest to god, does anyone even use Smart Style in this game? I have only ever ran across 1 since launch.

>>527167239
Robo Goldlewis

>>527167239
I've seen a handful, but the kind of people who want their hand held that much aren't going to like the game for very long.

>>527165929
3+3 = 6
6 percent of 5 thousand (CoTW peak player count) is 300.
Therefore, Ronaldo and Salvatore brought less than 500 players IF we are being super generous. Maybe even less.
Numbers are far worse for Ronaldo. His trailer got 31 thousand views, far overshadowing the game's official trailer. Yet such a low pick rate means only a minuscular amount of those 31 thousand viewers actually tried the game

>>527157292
>, but cotw needs a sale
I don't think that will save it lol
The games finished
Just do 1 season, wrap it up and lets move onto the next game.
And I'm saying that cause why would anyone want to play COTW in 2026 when you have

2XKOflop
Marvel
Invincible
NRS will announce another game also

>>527167239
I fought a Smart Style Marco about a week or so ago named 1buttonsupers lol. They're very rare but they exist.

>>527172389
>abandon the game before year 3
Cause that’ll do wonders to SNKs already horrible reputation of dropping support too early for their games right?
Right now they’re in a lose-lose hole they put themselves in.

SHE WILL SAVE COTW

>>527158976
>Billi and Hokutomaru are completely buxted
>more so than Kain

Happy Pride Month /neog/

>>527141125
>Meanwhile Capcom managed to make RE go from fixed camera resource management zombie game to an elite AAA franchise
Just say they managed to ruin it.

Psycho balllllll

>>527146649
Oda was born in 1972, he would've still been a kid when Showa ended.

Literally the game going on sale is all it needs. Granblue was in a similar state of low players on Steam then it went on sale

>>527186429
But it comes with $30 worth of DLC characters...

>>527187026
People don't look at it that way, they see it and think the game is forcing them to pay an extra $29.99 for Season 1.
I have grown so profoundly spiteful I wish no game ever releases any free DLC content, the FGC doesn't deserve it.

Meh
Type the CAPTCHA here
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>>527173204
>Cause that’ll do wonders to SNKs already horrible reputation of dropping support too early for their games right?
most normal people aren't clamoring for the characters that are on the way through said dlc

but what lesson they really need to learn isn't going to be learned anyway and it has nothing to do with dropping support, it's to stop being so bush league with their games while overblowing the expectations they have with the actual games they produce
"shatter all expectations" lmao

>>527181465
showa technically ended in 1989, he has a lot of room to grow into it

>>527197987
Alright smart guy, how would YOU shatter expectations? And keep it realistic if you can, smartass. "b-bro just make a whole ass engine from scratch and beat Capcom AND Arcsys" is not happening in no plane of existance.

>>527198867
bro just make a whole ass engine from scratch and beat capcom and arcsys
it's just that simple bwo

>>527198867
NTA
>Use unreal engine
>Hire artists with 10+ years of experience and a good portfolio.
>Hire lead designers with 20+ years of experience and a good portfolio
If they had money to blow on WrestleMania they could have done the things above. Might be too late now.

>>527200038
How the FUCK did SNK blow money on a Wrestlemania add but NOT in their fucking game? I cant fucking fathom this shit. Yes, I am aware of "muh saidi blood money" but how in God's name do you not question the unreal amount of money spent on ads VS the quality of the product you are selling?
There must be TREMENDOUS amount of ass-kissing in that company

>>527200495
it's great that they found a guy who can totally relate to the general consumer because he's just an every day man who streams and rakes in millions just by existing, a totally normal average everyday person

>>527195925
>Enako
She's a bride now.

>>527172389
>Invincible
Not even invincible fans are Hyped for this game.
Like, it's basically every complaint we give to SNK games up to 11 and combined into one game.

>>527155253
SNK games are like Sonic ones. The games sometimes may suck, but the OST is always a blast to hear.

Why is this Maxmillian Dude guy so famous?

>>527065340
kof stopped having aura or soul since like kof13.
>need SNK to cook
They couldn't cook with money literally being handed to them for free as shown with whoever's idea it was to put lame ass ronaldo and the dj instead of ken and chun or literally any other fighting game characters in the base roster as guests.

>>527204472
Because he's a cool dude to grab a beer with. You might not agree with what he's saying and he might not be as knowledgeable as he pretends to be, but he's a fun dude to be around with. Same as Sajam.
Rooflemonger is popular because he's one of the few people to make content for absolute armatures looking to jump into a game.

You guys are going on about money and staff like COTW is failing because of the graphics or presentation but if that was the case then it would at least hold the players that already brought it, the reality is that the game is just not that remarkable.

>>527204983
The sad reality is gimmicks and random bullshit are far more compelling to the average midwit

>>527065340
Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, but I think the last KOF with soul was 2002 UM. XIII meanwhile was the beginning of the end.

>>527204476
So is Fatal Fury the first game KOF Studio has produced?

>>527205326
>>527204983
The problem is that they built COTW on top of Kof instead of trying to replicate Garou or something better.
>>527205401
Ironically, most people who put Kof13 on a pedestal never actually played it with other people.

>>527197987
>"shatter all expectations"
...with disappointment.

>>527204672
>Because he's a cool dude to grab a beer with.
He scared to leave his fucking house. "Grab a gear with" lmao.

>>527200801
Because fanboys and shills have been telling them their games look fine. Remember what happened when people shat on 14's graphics? They worked hard to fix it. Since then, fanboys have been sucking their cock, doing damage control for bad models and effects.

>>527206505
>He scared to leave his fucking house.
Context?

>>527206728
Yeah I still wish more people complained about kofxv's effects and models instead of just going "BUT OTHER GAME" so they did an update with it like they did with 14.

>>527206728
???? People complained about both Cotw and Kof15? What the fuck is this narrative?

The roster is dogshit as someone who only plays villains or waifus.

Fighting game characters can captivate the same fans for decades so I don't know why they ported over every single failed MOTW scrimblo besides Freeman.

>>527208930
Dong should've missed this one out for Freeman to be honest, I don't even know why he's needed in the base roster beyond having his family members appear in the cutscenes while he's flirting with Preecha.

>>527207792
People complained about KoF15. But complaints about CotW's graphics only came after launch. SNK fans are used to playing old kofs on fightcade though, any modern game at all looks next generation to poorfags.

>>527200801
>How the FUCK did SNK blow money on a Wrestlemania add but NOT in their fucking game?
Most probably the Saudis tried to intervene only after things were already underway. They weren't gonna start from scratch at that point but they could do things like add Ronaldo to try to attract outsiders. We do know Ronaldo was rushed after all.

>>527173204
COTW literally have less players than KOFXV right now, if SNK just cancel their DLC plans no one would care. They should at least give us Geese as a free DLC before pulling the plug on the game tho.

>>527213574
>But complaints about CotW's graphics only came after launch
People complained about COTW's graphics since the first trailer.

>>527213779
>if SNK just cancel their DLC plans no one would care
People paid for the DLC, aren't there laws in many places that could fuck them up here? Cancel it now and SNK is fucking dead. Although maybe they're just dead anyway and permanently this time. Because they could release the best fucking game in the world tomorrow and people would just say
>I'm not falling for this shit again, I always buy their games and they die. Fuck you SNK fags for tricking me into buying your shit games, I'm gonna slime with everyone else.
I don't see a way out of this hole. Hell, if that perfect game was kof16 you'd still have people saying that it's a game with no neutral because people just jump all time and you can't anti-air, where are my honest footsies, all things that I've heard about kof in the past.

snk couldn't cook a hamburger over a grill with gordon ramsey yelling at them let alone a high quality production game

>>527214432
No one paid for the DLC, the Season Pass is free.

>>527214910
You bought the Special Edition, which according to steam comes with:
- Base game
- Season Pass 1
- DLC Character 1 "ANDY BOGARD"(Scheduled for: Summer 2025)
- DLC Character 2 "KEN" (Scheduled for: Summer 2025)
- DLC Character 3 "JOE HIGASHI"(Scheduled for: Fall 2025)
- DLC Character 4 "CHUN-LI" (Scheduled for: Winter 2025)
- DLC Character 5 "Mr. BIG"(Scheduled for: Early 2026)
That is why it's $60. If they're not gonna deliver the special edition content, I want at least part of my money back.

>>527214432
>Fuck you SNK fags for tricking me into buying your shit games
obviously wasn't me kek

Realistically speaking, how hard would it be for SNK to change the gameplay of COTW and turn it into something interesting?

>>527215107
I don't know how that works because all characters are literally free as said by SNK themselves, so there must be something more in the Special Edition we don't know of. Regardless, no one is saying they should cancel Season 1, most characters are probably ready to go and SNK already announced them, of course they should be released. Now Season 2 and Season 3 with the datamined chars? Yeah that ain't happening at all.

>>527215294
capcom did some changes with their games midway

snk added in some new cd move midway through kofxv, even if that wasn't much
realistically speaking though it is snk, they don't know their chins from their ass

>>527215501
>I don't know how that works because all characters are literally free as said by SNK themselves
They technically aren't. You have to buy either season 1 or the special edition to get them. The thing is that, again from Steam:
* FATAL FURY: City of the Wolves will only be available in this Special Edition format.
* There are no plans at this time to sell the base game and Season Pass 1 individually.

>>527214432
>Although maybe they're just dead anyway and permanently this time
They are. All the very-low remaining amount of goodwill they still had is now gone. COTW was the last straw. They aren't respected anymore, nor will ever be taken seriously again. Tons of people shit on them and make fun of them openly now. Some even feel glee from their failure because of the Saudi stuff. The only thing people like about SNK now is some of their characters, and when said characters guest stars in other companies' games.

>Punk is actually playing this game
Well at least SOMEONE of note is playing

lack of quality control or even capacity to do quality control bugs me
instead of fixing jenet's face, they were like "wElL tHe WeSt LiKeS iT" as if they joined in on the mossie psyop "tranime is for losers" attitude
mossies will mossie
and then the same westcucks didn't flock to buy the game either
please people who actually want to enjoy vidya in its beautiful form, i don't care about no mossie trying to side with newsom against drumpf

>>527222241
Justin Wong is competing again, that has to count for something.

>>527222401
Sersiously need Jenet's tiny face fixed and Mai in her original outfit. Also add more coomer characters because Mary and Kasumi can't revive the game alone.

>>527222479
Justin is going to drop after CEO, I don't think he's going to make it to Evo

>>527222661
>Jenet's tiny face
it's really tall and masculine for a female, especially the nose
that trannie looking thing in that dei image for snk is probably at fault

>Win with scrub button
>Teabag
TNS players really are subhumans huh

>>527222401
Whoever is in charge at SNK is completely clueless. There's no way someone who thinks the final Preecha design is more "adequate to western audiences" over the cute and hot concept arts isn't a massive retard

Why did they invent a whole new moveset for Andy with demon flips instead of just giving him his old moves back? Why does Terry have a rekka in motw and cotw but not in kof? What is up with Rock's run follow-ups changing every game?